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we're uh two years from the from the date of the incident uh the case has been actively being investigated by the
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division of police and a couple months ago we turned our investigation over to the prosecutor's office and uh they have
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convened a grand jury and have been uh bringing people into the grand jury and taking testimony from uh from people in
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the grand jury uh as far as what that testimony is as everyone knows that's that's secret we don't know what that is
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but uh there is no one person or persons that we're actually looking at we're just trying to gather as much
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information as we can are you any do you feel that you're any closer well I from
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from an investigative process I feel like we're a little closer because um you know before we didn't have uh enough
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or we didn't uh the prosecutors didn't feel we had enough to even convene a Grandin jury so yeah I do feel like that
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we are a little bit closer but you know as you know we're you know have to follow the the letter of the law and
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provide everybody their uh their constitutional rights but yeah I do uh I'm optimistic that we are getting
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closer and how does the um indictment of Alisa's attorney um well I you know that
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those are those are three separate uh events that took place right now it really has nothing to do with this but
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you know obviously she was down here to meet him so you know that's something that we definitely have to look at and
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something that we have looked at but as far as him being indicted those are three separate issues in three different
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counties that he's going to answer [Music] for Alisa Sherman was stabbed outside
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her lawyer office in Cleveland Ohio in March 2013 Just 2 days before her divorce
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trial was scheduled to begin it starts with a chilling call to 911 after a man heard Alisa's screams and rushed to her
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Aid Alisa Sherman a mother of four was in the alleyway of an office building bleeding from 11 stab wounds it was
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Kenny Shepard who ran to her he said she was having trouble standing she fell to
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the ground Kenny did everything he could to try to help her Alisa who was just 53
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years old died in a hospital emergency room she had her purse with her when she was found so police rule out robbery as
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motive The Savage attack left her best friend Jan lash in shock Jan spoke with Alisa just an hour before she was
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stabbed to death Jan told reporters that they had their usual conversation adding
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Alisa was a little anxious because she was going to court soon that's why why Alisa Sherman went downtown on that
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Sunday she was there to visit her divorced lawyer Jan lash told reporters that she offered to go with her but
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Alisa said no thanks Jan lash and some of Alisa's family say Alisa Sherman wanted to change attorneys but it was
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far too late in her case the meeting that was scheduled for that Sunday at her attorney Gregory Moore's request
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well it now looks like that meeting may have never have happened early in this case it was suspected that Alisa was
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killed after leaving Moore's office but now it appears she was walking to possibly enter the building not exit the
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building we will get into that a little bit more later what was apparent very early on in this investigation was that
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Elisa Sherman's murder revealed a family torn apart she and her husband sford Sherman a retired opthalmologist was
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facing a contentious divorce proceedings that were were going to take place that
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week scheduled to start just 2 days after her death the investigation turned up a surveillance video from a nearby
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parking garage showing a person fleeing the scene of Alisa's murder covered nearly head to toe in dark colored
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clothing the video does not tell us much leaving only speculation as to the person's race and gender police searched
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for a murder weapon at the scene and on the rooftops of nearby buildings and turned up nothing they searched the
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Sherman residents for knives but none of them matched the murder weapon investigators interviewed employees in
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the floors above the walkway where she was killed they also questioned attorney Gregory Moore and members of the Sherman
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family and still did not have evidence to put together a good suspect in this case now just a few weeks after the
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murder the justice for Alisa movement began this was started by Alisa's daughter that she was so close to
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Jennifer they teamed up with the kyoga county Crim Stoppers to offer a $25,000 reward for information in the case and
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promoted it on a billboard near East 14th Street in Carnegie Avenue in July Jennifer gathered more than 100 women
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for a self-defense class at the Beachwood Community Center then one month later in hopes that someone would
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come forward with information the Crim Stoppers reward was increased to $50,000 Jennifer also replaced her
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father as an executive of Alisa Sherman's estate Jennifer was very adamant about finding out whoever was
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responsible for her mother's murder and making sure that everything and I do mean everything would come to light now
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I want everyone to return their seats to a fully upright position because it's about to get hairy okay long hair don't
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care so 2 months after the first anniversary of a 's death Jennifer Sherman filed a civil suit against her
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father in it she sought to recover more than $2 million Sanford allegedly funneled out of a joint bank account
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that he held with Alisa while she was still alive Jennifer's civil suit claimed that sford conspired with five
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unnamed individuals to hide more than $2 million from Alisa by moving it from their joint bank account into one in
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Alisa's name according to the court records this was a mirl Lynch account that was in question and this was
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discovered by Alisa after she hired forensic accountant Jeffrey Firestone two months just two months before she
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was killed right so how this works uh being a former Banker is normally when you're going through a divorce if you
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have money or some wealth than what they do is they hire basically um a detective
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if you will to go through fight Financial chains to see you know what accounts they have because when you go
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to get the divorce you're going to say well let's just split up our accounts well everything that you earn during
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that wedding is then in debate if you don't have a prub so basically what they found out was he was taking you know
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millions of dollars but what was weird here was he was still put in an account with her name on it so there
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and just with her name being on it she's entitled to that money yeah and and it's
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it's a little crazy that's why we'll have to get into it but you're exactly right that's just what you do you cannot
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always trust everyone to come to the Forefront and say look lay everything on the table this is what I have this is
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what you have this is what we have right let's just divvy it up 50/50 it doesn't
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work that way sometimes people have accounts and they have funds and things that that even there significant other
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who's supposed to be the closest one to them may not be aware of well if they were that close they probably wouldn't
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be getting a divorce anyway so well according to the lawsuit Alisa's claim was that she was not aware of this
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account at any time until it was discovered by the forensic accountant she was unaware of this account when it
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was opened in her name back in 2000 and according to emails she sent to her attorney Gregory Moore Alisa was also
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unaware of having ever signed a power of attorney this power of attorney that was
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signed regarding this account gave Sanford control over the funds and the account itself he he might have had an
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inside person and if he had an inside person then they can basically create whatever accounts they want it'd be all
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fraudulent just I mean just to let you know how it would work I mean you have to you can't just go into a bank and
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open up account and somebody else's name you have to have their ID their information their signature uh they have
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to be present most of the time um so he had to know somebody on the inside okay I know this episode is titled suspects
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and we are talking about forensic accountants bank accounts and power of attorneys MH but this account just this
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one account that was discovered just two months before Alisa's Murder In Cold Blood on the cold streets of Cleveland I
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mean we are talking a large sum of money I'm sure not quite $2 million after every has moved around and transfer fees
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and penalties and all of that stuff well think about it we've had so many cases where you know the motive has been money
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but that could be as little as $1,000 or you know a couple hundred thousands of dollars in uh life
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insurance or something but here we have at least one uh you know not only are they dividing up all the money but on
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top of that we have this extra fund of 2 million you don't think 2 million is enough reason I mean he's already being
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nefarious by not even telling her about the count anyways well dror evil threatened a lot of horrible things for
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just $1 million MH so let's keep in mind here this is just one account and one that I must say I must say this
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allegedly found but who knows there could be more of these accounts right of course this leads to motive a motive for
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sford to have his wife killed if they're divorce proceedings don't go to court does this C account come to light you
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know is anyone else aware of this account in the Sherman family well right but we have the one account that's $2
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million that's great and all but you have motive to begin with 2 days uh after her murder what was going to
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happen the divorce proceeding and and like the judge said we're not going to have any more continuance this is going
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forward we're not going to waste any more time so half your stuff is going to be and it's such a weird situation to go
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through to have a court tell you what is yours and what is hers you know what I mean yeah and that's what's going to
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happen to him and unless if she's alive that's what's happening in two days so that that's motive by itself on top of
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that you got an account that's $2 million well in $2 million that is a lot of late night tacos my friends that's a
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lot of cheddar okay but but to be fair should at least present the other side of the coin right so sford has always
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stated in regards to this account that has been called into question that one he told Alisa about this account that
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that when he had explained it to her she had fully a full understanding of that account and two that account was used
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mostly for family expenses everyone anyone in this case that I could find statements from and
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this included persons that sided with sford and liked him and also those that did not they all say it was the
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understanding that sford was primarily responsible for paying the family's bills right so sford says this account
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paid the family's household bills and we're talking about that you know that we spoke of that almost 4,900 ft
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home I'm sure that that really nice home came with a really nice mortgage right and the account according to Sanford was
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also used for credit cards and tuition payments as well yeah which you have some kids in college so those are going
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to be big payments in motions filed in the court this motion contended that these funds from this account were not
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used for family purposes but in fact they were used for strippers maybe another lover trips and a defamation
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suit that Alisa never knew about okay love love okay so we need some detail here right yeah cuz on one
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side he's saying hey I'm I'm using this for my kids college but you know but he's also using this to look at some
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ttes well out comes the sleazy stuff all right let's get sleazy okay so there is
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believed to have been a trip taken and I have a little I have a little I called this into question a little bit well we
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kind of talked about it yesterday he would take these trips to New York and Florida done yeah well okay so this is
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what the court documents State there was a trip that was taken to New York City sometime between 2007 and 2009 that
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seems a little random to me but anyway sford Sherman there's a trip taken sometime two or three year window yeah
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in these 24 months he took a trip this uh that sford Sherman paid for I guess using this account on this trip it's
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thought that he and a friend um they friend quote unquote well well well no well we haven't got to the friend quote
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unquote yet this was an actual real friend okay it's thought that he and one of his friends spent several days with a
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woman friend that sford had become more than friends with regarding wait wait so him and his
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friend were hanging out with a lady friend correct double [ __ ] from my understanding it's not that kind of
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party anyway on this trip uh they spent several days or he spent several days with a woman that uh supposedly he had
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become more than friends with anyway regarding the defamation suit this involves sford making sexual advances
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toward an exotic dancer and then threatening to kill her and her father okay well okay wait so he makes
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sexual advances towards a stripper and those go south and then he threatens to kill her and
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her father correct what does that what does that have this what does he have to do with anything do we know no we don't
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have details about this exact stuff okay um it's okay here's really what it sounds like to me is that there's some
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evidence to support some of these claims my guess is that there's not enough evidence to be 100% sure that these
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things actually happened so while I bet you that he was actually sued by this person and in within the suit the
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defamation lawsuit there was probably a complaint filed by this individual that sued himh so what I'm guessing is the
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information that that's being presented in these depositions in court proceedings is information taken from
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that complaint not not the outcome of that where he was able to defend himself and say I only threaten to kill you not
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your father your father's a great guy me your father go every weekend and then the thing regarding the trip to New
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York City like you said he took lots of trips to Florida and to New York City he
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he went to Florida because they had property there right okay so this New York City trip when you when you're
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going to accuse me let's say of taking some strange trip with a woman that I'm not supposed to be involved with and you
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put a date on on it that it happened sometime between 2007 and 2009 my guess is what took place is this
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there was a friend he had a friend and I think the friend's name first name was Larry all right let's go with Larry okay
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Larry he had a friend named Larry that apparently his wife um not Larry's wife Sanford's wife
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Alisa she was not comfortable with Sanford being friends with this guy and my guess is that when he was out
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partying with Larry they probably got in trouble trouble together from time to time right right everybody has that one
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friend right well at some point in their relationship Sanford must have agreed to
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not hang out with Larry anymore right no more lar Bear right mhm well I what I'm
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guessing took place was that he probably took several trips to New York City during the course of 2007 2008 and 2009
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many of these trips were taken with this friend Larry that he's not supposed to be hanging out with
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I'm guessing that they have some information that he was hanging out with this woman on one or more of these trips
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to New York City I guess he met this woman in Vero Beach Florida M so here's here's what my thoughts are on this I'm
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guessing that Sanford took a lot of trips with his buddy Larry to New York City during the course of those three
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years you know could be half a dozen could be a dozen mhm uh I'm I'm guessing that he went there
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under the guys that he's going to be hanging out with his friend right his friend was probably in New York City
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during those occasions so it kind of backs up that information however he's actually going there to hang out with
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this woman on at least one of those occasions according to these documents right so but just because you're having
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an affair or doing some sleazy stuff doesn't mean you're a murderer well yeah of course and and the that's why you
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know this stuff doesn't really Point toward motive for me however it points towards possible and I'm talking about
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the defamation lawsuit possible violent Behavior or threatening behavior at the least right but with that with that
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lawsuit though you have to take in account that it's a it's a stripper right so let's hypothetically they're
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hanging out he's just a customer oh you know that's fine but then she finds out out he has some money and she's using
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this as a way to get money I mean that's very possible again possible violent Behavior or possible threatening
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behavior just after the 2-year anniversary of Alisa's murder the police when speaking to the media reiterated
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that they believed early on and still believe that this attack this stabbing death was committed by someone that knew
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Alisa and wanted her dead they also added some new information following this statement M adding that they have
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spoke with many people regarding this unsolved case and some people and these are people who are not cooperating let's
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be clear that the police are on record as stating these people are people that knew Alisa so they have people that know
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Alisa they suspect someone that knew her killed her and now they have people within that Circle that are not
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cooperating with the police they of course do not name this person or I should say persons because the Curious
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Thing here to me is they used the word people rather than we have a person that's not cooperating so more than one
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what does this mean Captain what do you think this means I mean who knows I mean
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but the thing is it's like we've seen this at like like at her memorial service we've seen her son's State my
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father had nothing to do with this so if you have the cops knocking on your door
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trying to p this on your father and you don't believe that your father's capable
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of this or capable of hiring somebody to kill her mhm then you're not going to cooperate I I get that so it could be as
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simple as that um you know but again the police aren't releasing who they are so
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it's really hard to speculate on any of that it's very possible that one of the people that they were talking about was
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in fact sford himself because while police acknowledged that they spoke with sford early in the investigation later
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they were reported as having said they interviewed sford Sherman but then he hired a prominent defense attorney and
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now he's not talking with the detectives and here here's a thing that happens all
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the time with and it's almost uh it's sickening almost how much it happens it's at the beginning of the case this
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person was cooperating and they gave you all this information at some point once
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you give the police as much information as you can and then you realize that you're possibly a suspect but you
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already gave all your information why wouldn't you lawyer up you know what I mean like we've seen this in so many
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cases and it and it's like and I wonder what the demeanor of the cops are in that room does it become does it turn
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from questioning to interrogation and if it does how many times have we seen false confessions yeah you know so at
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some point you know um this guy's not a dumb guy if they're coming at you know again he was cooperating I think that's
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a key thing that people Miss is well he's not cooperating now so what he did before and he has a lawyer so now the
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cops just in law enforcement just have to go through the certain chains to talk to him he's still willing to talk but he
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has a lawyer so he has counsel he has someone to help him decipher what it is that the police and the interrogators
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the investigators are attempting to do like you said we've seen setups in the past um the thing here is it's exactly
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what you said if if if they turn up the heat in the frying pan every one of us want to jump out of that frying pan
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right so I think it's possible that Sanford looks like a good suspect here and I I understand why people think he
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should be a good suspect of course the husband's always the person that you look at first and then when you find out
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later he's not cooperating that makes you question it not me personally but it makes you question it maybe a little
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more the money it would be the motive here for me yeah definitely definitely the motive and then he has some sleazy
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uh behavior and and kind of some suspicious behavior that he's keeping secrets so what else is he hiding I mean
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he's he might be hiding uh a very vicious person that that the public hasn't really
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today all right cheers mates happy holidays to everybody okay there is another person that the police's
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statement of persons not cooperating May pertain to and oddly enough this is Alisa's attorney Gregory Moore this
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seems to be a very similar situation to the husband's situation ation Moore spoke with the police he was interviewed
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the day after her murder he cooperated with the police on that day he answered their questions he told the police he
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was in his office at the time of the attack he was waiting for their scheduled appointment they were going to
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go over everything before the trial proceedings were to begin now let's remind ourselves of a couple of things
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here the trial proceedings were to take place from my understanding 2 days later
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on that Tuesday I should point out here that a few newspaper accounts and Publications state that the trial
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proceedings were actually scheduled for the next day to start that Monday morning in the which would make sense
00:30:41
why they would meet on a Sunday correct in in the wake of someone's death a day's difference in the accounts seems
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to me like a trivial detail but I just wanted to point that out in case we are wrong and someone is screaming at their
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iPhone or their computer right now M we chose to report Tuesday as the start of the trial 2 days later as this is what
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is more commonly reported the most important thing here but it's also commonly reported
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that she was leaving the meeting yes and she wasn't she was entering the meeting
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but that is corrected in later uh statements and later newspaper accounts the important thing here about what this
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is is is being reported is that the judge in this case in the divorce case has ordered that the proceedings move
00:31:33
forward that there were to be no more continuances in this case and that's because her lawyer kept on it wasn't
00:31:41
ready ever so they had to keep keep pushing the date back and the date back yeah and and at some point Gregory Moore
00:31:50
is no longer interested in talking with police regarding the murder of his former client Alisa mhm and this could
00:31:58
be why because Gregory Moore lands himself in some pretty hot water he gets indicted facing charges in a July 2012
00:32:07
bomb threat that's wow I can't make this up I know I know people are like why are
00:32:14
you laughing at that um because it's weird well because he's such an idiot that basically what would happen is he
00:32:22
wouldn't be ready for the case he wouldn't be ready for the trial so what would he do he'd call in bomb threats
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yeah that's right so not just once right multiple times he called in the old bomb
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threat typically adults do not commit this sort of crime usually we would be talking about an idiot teenage boy
00:32:41
calling in one of these to get some laughs from his nitwit friends yeah or he you know uh is not ready for a test
00:32:48
or something or or he has a climb the rope in gym class where now the boys are showering and so he he he doesn't want
00:32:56
to take showers with with the police so he causing the bomb threat well yeah here we have a man in his early 40s and
00:33:02
an upper level Attorney At what maybe not all but a good many would consider a successful Law Firm being indicted for
00:33:10
this sort of thing the details of this thing are pretty simple Moore called in three he called in three bomb threats to
00:33:19
the first one well I'm sorry not the first one but the last one he called in bomb threats to three Domestic Relations
00:33:26
Court employees at the kyoga county court this being in July of 2012 in this the caller stated that a
00:33:35
bomb was set and was about to explode in a specific courtroom the crazy thing here was later later as you said he's
00:33:44
charged with two more of these same offenses allegedly he called in bomb threats to a g uh gyaga County
00:33:51
courthouse and a Lake County Courthouse MH the first was in January of 20 2012 the second in May of 2012 and the last
00:34:00
one was that one in July of 2012 so the courtrooms were evacuated no explosives were found of course but now get this
00:34:10
all of the courtrooms receiving these threats was just like you said Gregory Moore was due to appear in those
00:34:16
courtrooms with clients on those particular days right and here's what I wonder Captain if he did this once and
00:34:24
he got away with it is this the same thought as what we discussed regarding the 911 calls that were going on at the
00:34:31
Sherman House and what I mean by that is once you've crossed that threshold does
00:34:36
it just make it that much easier to do it again and again does this become this like it seems like it became his goto
00:34:43
like oh I'm no longer I'm not prepared to to enter this court case M my job could be on the line my my license to
00:34:51
practice law could be on the line I'm going to I'm going to call on a bomb oops it worked once that's what I do
00:35:00
from now on oops it worked oops it worked um well I say oop I say oops at work because this is destructive Behavior
00:35:11
this is destructive Behavior you think yeah you think this this this is the definition of
00:35:20
destructive Behavior no this guy is incompetent you know it'd be it'd be like me you know hey not prepared to
00:35:27
talk about the case today so uh let me call a bomb thread into the garage that's what it was I mean this guy was
00:35:35
somehow you know he got over his head you know he he didn't do the work and and and and we saw this you
00:35:45
know think about uh Lisa's statements saying that she was calling the the attorney and he
00:35:52
wasn't calling her back and just little things like that it he he had to find a way out now we have this case where
00:36:02
we're going to trial and this is a pretty big divorce process I mean this is a wealthy
00:36:08
family and there's a lot of twists and turns here we have this separate account that you know she claimed she didn't
00:36:15
know anything about he needed to be ready whether it's on that Monday or that Tuesday he needed to be ready so
00:36:23
basically what we're getting at is that would be his motive mhm because if she is
00:36:30
injured or obviously dead then there is no hearing right they can't proceed and the funny sorry I I keep laughing
00:36:39
because when I think about this I'm like well the court system already has something in place for this particular
00:36:46
setup when you're not prepared and you need more time it's called you file a motion for continuance right but but he
00:36:52
had already done that so many times that this was to the point where the judge is
00:36:56
like nope there will be no more continuances we have to proceed with this and I'm sure that's what took place
00:37:03
that's Elisa's case I'm sure that's what took place in these other cases as well
00:37:07
and he panics mhm with the old go-to bomb threat right and I think maybe um he knew it wouldn't work in this case
00:37:18
maybe you know if he's responsible then that I I'm guessing that's what his thinking was mhm was the bom the old
00:37:25
bomb threat uh trick is not going to work this time well I want to shift gears here just for a little bit okay
00:37:31
because we have a lot of suspicious Behavior here um we have the obvious motive making Alisa's husband Sanford a
00:37:39
good suspect we have some very very odd behavior uh check that very times three odd
00:37:47
behavior criminal behavior from Alisa's attorney Gregory Moore plus because his appointment with her would
00:37:55
have he would have been there or been in that area at the time also making him a
00:38:01
very good suspect but I also wonder who were those five unnamed persons in Jennifer Sherman's lawsuit the five
00:38:11
unnamed persons that conspired with sford to set up that secret account that ended up worth $2 million MH you know I
00:38:20
wonder who that is so there there's so much to think about and and I and we have to jump back to that lawsuit itself
00:38:27
because there's also some very interesting information that will come out as a matter of depositions and
00:38:33
testimony in that lawsuit brought forth by Jennifer Sherman against her father now we talked about the account
00:38:40
obviously the account was in Alisa's name however there was a power of attorney that gave Sanford control of
00:38:48
the account and of course access to the funds Alisa had said she never signed the power of attorney in fact she added
00:38:56
why would she why would she sign this power of attorney Sanford claimed that Alisa had in fact signed MH the power of
00:39:04
attorney he claimed this in his depositions now through the course of this and these proceedings we have three
00:39:10
witnesses that will give statements regarding that specific power of attorney these are uh three names on
00:39:18
that specific document other than Alisa's name and samford's name the first was an employee of
00:39:25
samford's MH the next was a miril Lynch employee signed as a witness and the last was the notary who was a different
00:39:35
employee of meil Lynch M none of these three persons could recall if Alisa was actually present during any of the
00:39:44
processes of signing that document witnessing or notorized second of all if you're the notary
00:39:58
that's your job your job is to witness the signature and so you have you have at least two people that basically are
00:40:07
like well I don't know what happened I don't remember you didn't do your job right and I I mean I understand that
00:40:13
these these Court proceedings are taking place 17 years after the fact but like you said if these people are doing their
00:40:20
job it's a very simple answer the answer is yet it was 17 years ago however I tell you that of course she was there
00:40:28
because as a witness and I've witnessed many of these documents and signed my name to it I have never signed my name
00:40:35
when a person has not been present I have never notorized a document when the when a signing individual when a sign
00:40:42
was not present for me to notarize that that that document furthermore a forensic document examiner hired by
00:40:50
Jennifer Sherman corroborated her claim that it was highly likely that the signature on the power of attorney did
00:40:59
not match samples of Alisa's handwriting so according to the forensic accountant
00:41:06
his reports state that remember some of this money was moved it was eventually moved from this account of Alisa's to
00:41:15
Sanford's individual accounts and he could do this because of that power of attorney well according to the forensic
00:41:23
accountants reports 820 ,000 in Damages were incurred by the transferring of funds from Alisa's account into
00:41:33
Sanford's individual account some other strange stuff and some other possibly incriminating things to look at
00:41:40
regarding sford are the court papers in connection with the daughter's civil suit over her mother's estate show Alisa
00:41:48
wrote to a family friend stating I am really afraid he is going to have me killed obviously referring to Sanford
00:41:56
stating I am afraid of him and what he will do Jennifer also claims that she the daughter lives in fear of her father
00:42:05
and is even afraid to go to a deposition because she may experience physical harm
00:42:12
on her way to or from the deposition right I mean that's you know cuz she's speculating that maybe her father had
00:42:19
something to do with the death of her mother and we saw what happened there Samford testified that from roughly 2006
00:42:27
to 2010 he had been having an affair with a woman who lived in New York and Florida and that he had made several
00:42:35
trips to visit her other testimony by some of Sanford's closest Friends Revealed that sford had been at the end
00:42:42
of his rope and was emotionally distressed in the time leading up to Alisa's filing for a divorce now
00:42:49
remember she filed for divorce at the end of I believe it was 2011 because remember this these
00:42:57
proceedings were extremely drawn out but it's like I said I mean when she's beating up the car that's signs that she
00:43:05
knew that she was you know married to cheater cheater pumpkin eater right so you know I think this guy
00:43:13
uh he tends to be a selfish individual I mean he's going to have a 4-year affair
00:43:20
with some lady that lives in New York and Florida so now how much money are you spending
00:43:27
that could go to your family and you're doing this for selfish reasons and then you don't want to divorce why you know
00:43:38
that's the easy thing right you're in love with this lady you're going to New York and
00:43:42
Florida uh why would you just get a divorce cut the money in half say hey it didn't work out we tried we had some
00:43:51
kids together you take this part of the money I'll take this part of the money we'll both both live good lives but he
00:43:59
didn't want to do that because he's selfish no is that true though because as we discussed in in episode two he he
00:44:06
did he asked his friends and and Alisa's friends to speak with her and try to convince her into settling the divorce
00:44:13
that they that they just proceed with it right but she filed first and then he filed corre which I think is hilarious
00:44:20
when people are like oh you it doesn't take two people to file for divorce you just one person files but again what we
00:44:30
said uh in in the last episode is he he wasn't necessarily trying to get his buddies to convince her to settle a
00:44:40
50/50 deal that we know of all we know is that he was telling people around her possibly to manipulate her Hey get
00:44:51
her to agree get her to settle mhm right what is that subtle you see what I'm saying right no I what was the deal on
00:45:01
the table that he was trying to get people to convince her of and for all we know that it was not in favor of her at
00:45:08
all and hey you dated a you know well you married a guy that's verbally abusive and he's calling you names and he's
00:45:19
cheating on you and he's taking money and hiding it from you and you find this out before why would you
00:45:27
settle you should you know she had every right to go in there and try to get everything every penny that she felt she
00:45:33
was worth or or every penny that she thought she deserved mhm well Sanford and his friends they claim in their
00:45:41
depositions that Alisa may have worn recording devices to instruct uh per instruction from her attorney and that
00:45:49
she had tried to provoke sford into arguments so she could capture them on tape now there's more
00:45:56
of this and the worst part I find this to be the most damning of the evidence that is coming out against Sanford M
00:46:05
this really does nothing for the lawsuit against Sanford but this should be a huge red flag with a spotlight on it
00:46:12
regarding the murder of Alisa Sherman okay this was taken from another deposition one of those same friends in
00:46:20
their deposition claimed in more than one occasion sford inquired how someone could get away with committing a perfect
00:46:28
murder at least one of these conversations occurred during a walk on a Cleveland Beach the friend said that
00:46:36
the friend sford asked this of he was uh worked in law enforcement or the law enforcement field and when asked how the
00:46:44
friend responded to such a question the friend said he gave Samford this scenario don't use your car or don't let
00:46:53
your car be seen mhm don't use a gun because it can be heard don't use your street clothes use something that would
00:47:02
cover up your entire body your face your hands well right this is super chilling
00:47:09
because it's describing what we see on the surveillance footage we see we see a person fleeing the murder scene with no
00:47:18
vehicle and no point do we see a vehicle we see this person dressed head to toe in clothing that is cover ing the entire
00:47:26
body just as he said the face the hands mhm according to Sanford's deposition he
00:47:32
said he probably had conversations about Alisa but could not recall the nature of
00:47:37
those conversations or where they occurred during Sanford's deposition he was not asked directly about the perfect
00:47:45
murder conversation sford Sherman has never been named as a suspect in Alisa's murder the bizarre twist continue
00:47:54
captain in this case this twist takes us back to Gregory Moore Alisa's attorney bomb
00:48:01
threats you remember he had the bomb threats but there would be how can I forget there would be hey you remember
00:48:08
this guy he's a bomb he's the bomb threat guy but he would later be indicted on more charges Gregory Moore
00:48:15
was indicted on one count of tampering with evidence one count of obstructing official business one count of
00:48:23
falsification one count of telecommu telecommunications fraud and two counts of forgery yeah this guy's a scumbag yeah
00:48:34
but I think the the key thing here is a lot of these indictments have to do with
00:48:39
Alisa Sherman right when when Gregory Moore was indicted when the indictment was announced the then prosecutor said
00:48:47
in a statement we believe that this indictment and the evidence behind it takes us one step closer to Bringing
00:48:54
Alisa Sherman's killer to Justice right so make no butts about it this this has to do with her murder with her case now
00:49:04
Gregory Moore has denied these allegations originally he pled not guilty uh he was scheduled to appear in
00:49:11
court in May of this year on unrelated charges those were from the the the bomb threat charges uh inducing panic
00:49:20
inducing laughter he was playing not guilty to those charges as well now let's talk about these new charges
00:49:28
because according to prosecutors Gregory Moore never met with Alisa that day M they claimed that he initially provided
00:49:37
a statement to investigators that he was waiting in his office during the time of
00:49:42
the attack right but but data retrieved one year later with the help of the FBI the old cell phone ping mhm they used
00:49:53
this from a downtown cell tower this suggested that he allegedly lied about his location and misled Alisa okay
00:50:02
that's important information all in that one sentence right there okay he allegedly lied about his location M this
00:50:10
means where he told police he was during the time of the attack but they also follow that up with misled
00:50:19
Alisa meaning he's telling her stuff in communication that is not true as as well so he's lying he's lying to the
00:50:29
victim minutes before she's killed right and then later the next day lying to the
00:50:37
police when questioned about where he was and what he was doing right but then you mess with the [ __ ]
00:50:44
FBI and they caught you so so let's I mean to make this really clear he is telling her come down for a meeting on a
00:50:53
Sunday which offices are normally not open right mhm so he's telling her to come down he's telling her that he is
00:51:02
there he is not there he is somewhere else so he is basically putting her in place is that door is she able to get
00:51:12
into the building for safety no so he knows that wherever she parks that she's going to have to walk and remember she
00:51:22
like text him or something CU she didn't want to uh she wanted to meet him down there
00:51:28
because she don't want to stay in the cold because it pretty cold out so he knew that she had to walk from her car
00:51:35
to the office building but once she got to that office building the door was going to be locked so she's a Sitting
00:51:41
Duck right that's basically what he set up would she have known that the door would have been
00:51:48
locked that's here here's the reason why I question that uh because I've seen some of the communication back and forth
00:51:56
between them and it almost appears to me like the the door being locked was a surprise to her and here's here's why I
00:52:04
think that that might be accurate you know when when I used to work in downtown buildings it was very typical
00:52:10
that we would have front doors that would automatically lock at certain times and automatically unlock at
00:52:17
certain times right so if you're expecting a lot of people in and out it's very tough for somebody to have
00:52:23
their finger on that button and control the locking mechanism to let people in and out during normal business hours
00:52:29
Monday through Friday when you're expecting a lot of people coming and going mhm but we also didn't want people
00:52:36
just randomly showing up into the buildings so typically at a certain hour let's say 7:00 at night Monday Tuesday
00:52:43
Wednesday Thursday Friday the door would automatically lock and then someone had
00:52:48
to control it somebody had to use a a key card or a security Personnel had to actually unlock that door physically to
00:52:56
let someone in here's what I'm getting at I wonder I'm guessing that if this is how they chose to do their meetings that
00:53:04
she had been to this office on several occasions most of these occasions probably took place between Monday and
00:53:10
Friday during typical business hours right my guess is the door was locked at a certain time on Friday 5: 6:00 p.m.
00:53:18
and it was not unlocked until the start of business on Monday now people that worked in the building people that had
00:53:24
cause to there still have access but they have to use a key card to enter or possibly even exit the building and this
00:53:34
is part of the the problem with Gregory Moore's story is that the I'm sure that the police found this before the FBI
00:53:43
ever got to it I think the FBI probably helped them with the cell with the cell tower situation but this is pretty
00:53:50
simple information to get here I think they had a record because there was this was a key card system for
00:53:59
this front door and they probably had a record of Gregory Moore coming and going
00:54:04
that day a little more insight into the communication between Alisa and Gregory Moore it's my understanding that they
00:54:12
were actually supposed to meet on the Saturday not on the Sunday they were scheduled to meet on that Saturday I'm a
00:54:19
little confused if that meeting actually took place well no I think he called in
00:54:24
a bomb threat so they didn't have to have the meeting well what I mean by that is at some point he has asked her
00:54:30
to go to the office on Sunday and what I mean by that is I don't know does that mean that the meeting went longer than
00:54:37
scheduled and he said hey let's finish this up tomorrow or did he not show up to the meeting or did he reach out to
00:54:44
her and say hey can't do this today let's do it tomorrow right for whatever reason they end up meeting on that
00:54:50
Sunday this is unscheduled in advance M the most this could be scheduled in advance was at some point on Saturday
00:54:59
and then on Sunday more than once from my understanding they didn't go I do not have the specific wording on this
00:55:07
information which was traded back and forth via text from Gregory Moore to Alisa
00:55:14
Sherman but at more than one occasion he pushed back that meeting on Sunday as well
00:55:20
mhm so again but like I said I mean he basically cre a scenario that she's going to no matter what time they meet
00:55:29
you know no matter if she knows if the door is locked or if she doesn't know it's locked that's I mean neither here
00:55:37
nor there for me what he's doing is she he's put in her in a situation where you know she's going to
00:55:45
be like I said a Sitting Duck mhm especially if she has to sit there at at a locked door that she didn't anticipate
00:55:52
for it to be locked that's just slowing her down on returning to her vehicle or getting into the the building um in in
00:56:00
the text messages that they exchange she is telling him hey you know I'm down here the door's locked right he
00:56:08
says okay I'm on my way down to unlock the door he's on the fifth floor of this building but he's not well he's supposed
00:56:15
to be his office is on the fifth floor so she's going to sit there and wait for a while for him to come down and unlock
00:56:20
the door eventually he never comes down there and she texts him back and says look it's cold outside I'm returning to
00:56:28
my car mhm so not only does he he I want to be very clear he set up this meeting
00:56:34
this was not Alisa scheduling this meeting he scheduled this meeting and then via text pretends to be in the
00:56:42
location where he said he would be right to the point where she eventually says look it's cold out here I'm walking back
00:56:49
to my car right well and this is a guy that doesn't return your calls doesn't return your email nail s you've had to
00:56:56
have a continuance after continuance because he's not ready I mean you know she had a good lawyer before that she
00:57:03
was happy with and now she has this guy and she doesn't want this lawyer anymore
00:57:07
but it's too late in you know late in the game so to be clear prosecutors alleged that Gregory Moore sent Alisa
00:57:14
text messages stating that he was in his office at the time she was attacked but
00:57:19
phone records electronic key card data and witness statements show that Gregory Moore left his his office 1 hour before
00:57:27
Alisa's Alisa was murdered and didn't return until 1 hour after police found her bleeding outside when investigators
00:57:36
attempted to follow up with Gregory Moore regarding his whereabouts he refused to cooperate he started refusing
00:57:43
to cooperate after they presented this information to him saying hey look you told us a story before a madeup story
00:57:50
before we want the real deal this time mhm Moore has denied that he lied to Elisa or the police right but we have it
00:57:59
on record that he lied to her and one investigator said that uh in referring to Gregory Moore said he's got some
00:58:06
questions to answer and hopefully that will come out in court he's not talking to us but if you don't have anything to
00:58:13
hide why wouldn't you talk to us yeah but this guy seems like a weasel so I I really think if they hold his feet to
00:58:19
the fire they're going to get some more information so clearly these are the two
00:58:23
that are the main suspect effect in the eyes of the public and I think rightfully so I mean there there's a lot
00:58:30
on both of these guys and what I think is starting to show through and shine through a little bit here is that it
00:58:36
looks to me like police and law enforcement are awfully suspicious about Gregory Moore in particular so there's
00:58:43
there's Al there's so much to think about here and we have a lot more to get to and it looks like we'll have to get
00:58:49
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