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about these poor little girls Denise Milner was 10 years old and the only African-American girl at Camp Scott she
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originally was excited to go to camp and sold a lot of cookies to help raise money but became nervous just before
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leaving a counselor that rode the bus to Camp with her said that she was very quiet and her mother asked if Denise
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could be allowed to call home the next day since she was very hesitant to go once she got to Camp Scott we know
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Denise was homesick Denise's father was a Tulsa police officer Denise was involved in a lot of activities
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including tap dancing singing and gymnastics Betty Milner her mother related what happened to her when she
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found out when her daughter was dead saying they told me Denise is dead she and two other girls I asked if it was an
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accident adding I could accept an accident then they told me she had been beaten to death Betty was the one that
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urged her daughter to go to Camp that's probably something that weighs on her pretty heavily Lori farmer was very
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mature for her age the blond-haired brown-eyed little girl skipped a grade because she was so Advanced Lori was
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just 8 years old but her birthday was in June and her parents Bo and Sherry plan
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to visit their daughter at camp on her special day Sherry farmer said her husband Bo arrived back from his
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overnight shift at a hospital said he looked awful ghost white then she noticed he wasn't alone with him was his
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colleague Dr Anderson Anderson spoke first he said Sherry you need to sit down and I said no I'm not going to sit
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he said Lori is dead where do you put that in your brain there is no place to put that she said Sherry has been
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haunted by her daughter's final moments in the presence of one or more Killers Lor's letter home written that night
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reads quote I've met two new friends I'm sharing a tent with them we're sleeping
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on CS I couldn't wait to write love Lor since her daughter's death Sher farmer has taken up the cause of
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victim's rights over the past four decades she has met spoken to and counseled thousands of people in classes
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seminars and one-on-one together with her husband farmer also started a parents of murdered children's chapter
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in Oklahoma farmer said quote if if you have something bad happen ask yourself how can this help anybody else yeah they
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constantly say when you feel bad about your situation then give service to others and through that you'll feel
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positivity Michelle gusay was 9 years old when she left for Camp Scott which she attended and led the previous Summer
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she was also into soccer she left explicit instructions to her parents to water her plants while she was gone her
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parents said that they were told that their daughter had been killed but they learned of actual circumstances
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of her death from the TV news after Michelle's death her father threw himself into victim's rights efforts in
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Oklahoma becoming a leading voice and volunteer of the crime victim and witness Bill of Rights a package of laws
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adopted by state legislature from there gusay was appointed by the governor to the Crime Victims Compensation Board
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which was created in that effort he said quote this is my commit commment to our
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situation Gus said in 1994 after 13 years of never missing a board meeting stated because of my daughter maybe the
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world will be a little better place to be hopefully some good is coming out of this on June 23rd
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1977 10 days after the murders Mae County district attorney Sid wise called a news conference a suspect he said was
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being charged with the murders this is 33-year-old Jean Leroy Hart a Locust Grove native and Cherokee Indian
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Hart was already familiar to authorities mhm a convicted rapist and burglar he was a two-time prison escapee and was on
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the run for four years since his second escape from the Mae County Jail in 1973 well it doesn't seem like he was so much
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on the run but when he got out he was kind of protected by the reservations well his his previous
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convictions uh they the sentences for which totaled more than 300 plus years yeah he was now facing three
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first-degree murder charges wise announced wise said that items found in a cave close to Camp Scott were
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connected to Hart who was believed to be hiding in the area well yeah Hart's mother lived roughly a mile from the
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campground but there was also a cave that they believed that heart was staying in yeah wise added that the
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heart had the advantage in alluding law enforcement and that he was an expert Woodsman and had many family members
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living in the area MH and so the Manhunt that would go down as the largest in State history began the hunt for HART
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Fanning out for Miles through tick and snake infested Hill Country and involved a 600 person Army of Searchers in dogs
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and aircraft well they had them do is start sniffing to see if they could smell that
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piece piece of [ __ ] a physical description of Jee Hart began to appear daily in media reports he's 5' 10 in
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tall weighs about 220 lbs black hair brown eyes smells like Duke in the days after the heart was a suspect
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announcement the atmosphere was emotionally charged with hundreds of volunteers getting into fights and
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showing up armed and or drunk MH American Indian movement the aim officials came in to make sure people
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didn't start just quote shooting Indians mhm the Oklahoma highway patrol special
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weapons and tactics team got involved and by June 29th 40 FBI agents had arrived despite Hart being a convicted
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double rapist many in Mae County doubted Hart's guilt he was seen by many as a scapegoat for the white establishment a
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quote handy suspect yeah well this is [ __ ] anyways because he escaped from prison he raped and tortured women
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before than his community the Indian Community claimed that well he actually didn't
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rape them and didn't torture them that that they were trying to escape from their husband Hart's mother told
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reporters quote my boy didn't do it and Sheriff Weaver wants to frame him because he don't like
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Indians the idea that Hart was being targeted because he was an Indian struck a chord with many in the area which had
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a large American Indian population when Hart was charged in the killings his friends and relatives
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believing he was innocent closed ranks around him according to someone cry for the children Hart had 250 relatives
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living within a half mile square area and they were more than willing to help him other sympathizers agreed that
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sheriff Weaver had a personal grudge against Hart but they thought it was because Hart had escaped twice from his
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jail those escapes former journalist Mike wheat believes had helped create an aura of mystery about har quote he had
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become this folkish kind of character a local Legend said wheat heart seemed to be able to appear and disappear at will
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wheat said well and I'm sure look I'm sure in that area and in that time there's plenty of crimes that were not
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committed by an Indian that a Indian person did the time for that crime mhm I'm sure there was some kind of racial
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bias there um but this guy because of being able to escape from prison he seemed to become a legend people seem to
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actually believe that Hart was capable of shape-shifting according to Legend and ability that some Cherokees may have
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I have that ability this some believed is how he escaped prison twice and contined to elude capture Hart was also
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a local football star he had excelled in high school school and was considered to
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be of NFL caliber somehow he took on the reputation of a hero which did not help
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investigators trying to get people to turn him in so through the summer of 1977 agents
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used tracking dogs ground Searchers and aerial heat seeking equipment to hunt for heart it's like they were chasing a
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ghost or like Bigfoot one of the agents Harvey Pratt a cheyen Arapaho was a firm
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believer in American Indian mysticism M someone cry for the children quotes Pratt as saying quote the Indians in
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this part of Oklahoma believe that medicine men have medicine so strong that they can change themselves into
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birds or animals or give someone else this power referring to the shapeshifting or or Skin Walkers as they
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may be called right so when Hart was in prison you know being a piece of [ __ ] for being in jail for the the the the
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rape he turned he shape shifted into diarrhea and he slid right through those bars
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well all of this just simply added to the Mystique about Hart and there were rumors that he was under the protection
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of tribal medicine men this explained not only his elusiveness many believe but other strange happenings in and
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around the Manhunt like the deaths of two of the law enforcement tracking dogs they were said to have been cursed by
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someone mhm authorities or they put out poison for the dogs well the authorities
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became desperate and on its front page August 3rd 1977 the Tulsa World addressed an open letter to Hart urging
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him to surrender the letter included the governor's personal guarantee ensuring Hart's security and a fair trial but
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this did not work so let's talk about what led law enforcement to Hart you've already already brought up his previous
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convictions M so we have Sheriff Weaver and we also have agent lynville they stated that within hours of the murders
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at Camp Scott authorities were making a list of people they thought could have done this people whose Mo was similar
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Jee Hart's name was on this list hiso in his previous crime had some similarities
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particularly the cord and tape method of binding multiple young victims locals were likely right that Weaver did have a
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grudge against Hart he had been able to elude Authority since his second escape from Weaver's jail
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1973 there are local rumors also that Weaver had personal reasons to hate Hart something about a woman i' I've gone
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through all those rumors they all go back to some kind of relationship with with a woman I'm unclear of the details
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of such was it a woman Bigfoot uh well what we do know is that authorities investigating the murders
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checked with Mental Hospitals and prisons in the area for a list of outpatients and Parolees with histories
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of sex offenses on that list would have appeared Jean Leroy Hart's name as he had escaped the convicted rapist and
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fugitive whose mother lived less than half a mile from Camp Scott at the time of the murders of course investigators
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checked out other potential sus ects in those early days they spoke with one guy
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who was living in his car in the area but for whatever reason they dismissed him they spoke with and I don't know if
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this is his real name but this is the name given okay with a a man named Mike a camper seen in the area who was caught
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stealing a hatchet in supplies from the boy scout camp the week before the murders a Native American hitchhiker was
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arrested as well and was released after questioning so they did look at some other individuals now 3 days after the
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murders two squirrel Hunters found a flower sack with some fresh human excrement with wadded up newspaper in
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front of a cave 3 miles Southwest of Camp Scott there were lots of footprints going in and out of the cave one of the
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hunters got the Eerie feeling that they were being watched at this time so rather than enter the Cave the hunters
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contacted the highway patrol inside the cave and near the Runes of a Cellar and Foundation nearby investigators found
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two tattered photographs of women a roll of masking tape and a piece of plastic garbage bag stuck to it two pieces of
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newspaper one pair of broken sunglasses and a beige vinyl case a pair of gloves a broken slingshot and some women's
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underwear the newspaper was the April 17th edition of Tulsa World the same Edition in section as the one inside the
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flashlight at the murder scene Susan Emory the kowa counselor identified the sunglasses and the case as hers the cave
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was located 100 ft from the ruined Cellar and Foundation of Jean Hart's childhood home tracking dogs from Camp
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Scott had also alerted to an area near a second cave this is 2 miles from Camp Scott and overlooking the home of Hart's
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Mother where a far had reported seeing someone who looked like Hart a week after the murders now did we did I hear
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this correctly that there was there was some dookie in by the newspaper yeah in in a flower bag I believe did they test
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this dookie I'm being serious for well wouldn't they be able to tell you what kind of dookie it is is it human dookie
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is it is it dog dookie um well the reports are that it was human okay but now could they link this to heart I
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could they say that it was this piece of [ __ ] it's piece of [ __ ] I don't know
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look I went to school for computer so I don't know how they would link that to hard in all that reading that you've
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been doing wouldn't you be able to find out through all that reading if you could
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link [ __ ] to [ __ ] well I'm questioning what test would be available to do so in
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1977 the old [ __ ] test well maybe back in 1977 they didn't have test but poop is Rich with DNA so they should be able
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to test that to see if at least that matches heart and then we' know that heart was used in that cave well it was
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at this cave that investigators found a bootprint that matched the bootprint in tent number eight and a hair attached to
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a bandage that was found to have the same microscopic characteristics as hearts and a third cave was found one
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mile from the camp this is on Jack shr's property cops were led to this cave by a
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young Jail inmate Darren Creekmore who told authorities he met with heart at this cave after the murders in this cave
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written on the wall were the words the killer was here bye-bye fools 77-67 investigators arranged to have the
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photos found near the first cave to be published in the local papers seeking information on the subjects and locals
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quickly identified them as two women who had attended a wedding in 1969 investigators traced the
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photographs to lwis Lindsay who had worked at a prison Lindsay moonlighted as a photographer and developed his
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pictures in the prison's dark room he shot the 1969 wedding of prison workers daughters and used a man named Jean
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Leroy Hart as his assistant in the prison dark room processing these photos M Hart could easily have printed extra
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copies and kept two for himself without anyone knowing the evidence against heart is starting to pile up so who is
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Jean Hart Hart was a Cherokee Indian born November 27th 1943 in Claremore Oklahoma he was raised by his mother and
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barely knew his father he was a c average student in school but excelled in sports and was considered a local
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football hero he married young and his wife soon had a child they later divorced and she refused to let him see
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his offspring in 1966 Hart was working for a Tulsa Steel company that is when he raped the two
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women the victims Joan and Barbara were both 19 married and pregnant they were best friends since junior high school as
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they were leaving a Tulsa Club one night a large Indian man according to to an account of the crime and someone cry for
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the children pushed his way inside their car brandishing a revolver he locked one
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of the girls in the trunk which he had lined with newspaper while he raped the other in the back seat making strange
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animal like grunting or moaning sounds the girl in the trunk had to listen to the whole thing Hart then drove some
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distance and ductaped the girls noses mouths and eyes and led them into the woods where he raped and sodomized each
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of them them while the other listened petrified he left them hog tied in the fetal position just like Michelle gusay
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with nooses around their necks that tightened if they tried to free themselves so clearly intending for them
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to die despite choking nearly to death one of the women managed to free herself and then her friend they stumbled to the
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highway and waved down a car one of the women saw the rapist license plate number and both women identified this
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person and as Gan Leroy Hart the evidence against him combined with the identification of both victims LED Jee
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Hart to plead guilty to two charges of kidnapping and one charge of first-degree rape he was sentenced to a
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very light three 10year terms served concurrently and he was paroled after serving just 28 months this was in March
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of 1969 one of the rape victims told police heart tried on her glass he wore them while he was driving and he
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kept them Hart was soon arrested again in June 1969 after attempting to burgle the home of a female police officer who
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awoke to find him entering her apartment cops pinned three other burglaries on him as well Hart refused to take a plea
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deal and in 1970 he got a stiff sentence of 305 years in prison so it's nice to find out that the burglaries not the
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rapes of two pregnant women were what got got him this basically this life sentence he escaped from the county jail
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in May of 1972 jumping off the roof he was recaptured 11 days later and was assigned to the state penitentiary in
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April 1973 Hart was transferred back to the county jail in September 1973 he escaped
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again hacksawing his way out with a saw supplied by a friend accompanied by two inmates heart was still at large when
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the Girl Scout murdered MERS occurred 4 years later investigators spent long nights in the woods as they continued
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surveillance on places they thought heart might be hiding finally they got a Break by late September 1977 reward
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money gathered from various sources had grown to more than $20,000 and that was enough for one
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informant to offer police help in finding Hart this from the Tulsa World newspaper quote the informant told
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authorities that Hart's brother mother-in-law was plotting to drive Hart to the Cherokee reservation in North
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Carolina so the OSBI put a tracking device on the brother-in-law's car the agent's plan was thed when Hart
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supporter who worked at the police headquarters snitched and told Hart's family about the bug but eventually the
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OSBI informant learned Hart was staying with an old man in a tar paper Shack in the cookon hills on April 6th
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1978 SBI agents closed in and took Heart by surprise without a single shot being
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fired The Manhunt lasted 10 months consumed more than 10,000 man hours and cost the taxpayers $2 million it's worth
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noting that when Hart was captured he was wearing shorts a tank top and women's glasses once Hart was captured
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and trial loomed Indian activist spoke up for heart his supporters sponsored benefits to raise money for his defense
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their vehicles sported bumper stickers that read quote the heart of Gan country the American Indian movement sent
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representatives to Oklahoma to monitor the situation and the Cherokee Nation Tribal Council voted to donate
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$12,500 for Hart's defense supporters wore t-shirts with slogans like stop the maze County Railroad right right because
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this guy is completely innocent of everything yes hinting that Hart was being being railroaded and set up for an
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[Music] recipes all right cheers mates cheers Captain all right let's dive into the
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evidence that they have against heart well there was an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence linking heart to
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the Mur murders mhm so let's review this first what links him to the deaths of Michelle Lori and Denise Hart was an
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escaped rapist whose Mo seemed similar he targeted multiple young vulnerable victims at once he came prepared to the
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scene with materials to bind and gag his victims M and he used both rope and duct
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tape to do so hog tying them with a with strangulation forms MH he also had the ability to rape multiple times in quick
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succession the evidence found in the caves was linked to Heart the photos from the prison wedding he developed a
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roll of duct tape that matched tape found at the scene of the murders a roll of masking tape with a piece of plastic
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attached to it that had the end of the tape torn exactly matching the tape used to cover the lens of the flashlight
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right the plastic also matched heart's co- Escape e Larry dry testified at trial that he and Hart had used the cave
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while living on the lamb and we know it was right next to Hart's childhood home and then the newspaper found in the
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flashlight the writing on the wall taunting the police the sunglasses belonging to Susan Emory the N women
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glasses yes the 9vol flashlight that had been modified to emit only a thin beam of light we also have an associate of
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hearts that testified at trial that heart had been known to modify flashlights in this manner in his
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burglaries for furthermore the newspaper at the cave was the same addition in section as found inside the flashlight
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Hart was described by an associate as quote night blind and he notoriously stole glasses wherever he went Larry dry
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testified that Hart stole glasses from homes he burglarized the killer that night stole and discarded several pairs
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of glasses from Camp Scott and kept at least two pair that we know of two pieces of evidence found at the shack
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owned by Sam pigeon where Hart was apprehended were found to have been stolen from counselor and training Karen
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Mitchell at Camp Scott this was a souvenir corn cop pipe and a small blue hand mirr was he building a
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snowman well with all the stuff you were talking about earlier MH I think it was
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building a [ __ ] man but these items the tricky thing about these items captain
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they were found only upon a second search of the shack right and some lead this leads some people to believe that
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these were planted pieces of evidence and that's what his defense attorneys at trial would point out you know that
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these they actually straight up said these were planted desperately uh by the sheriff to frameart MH testimony at the
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preliminary hearing and or trial by people who knew Hart tended to implicate him in the murders Larry dry testified
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to Hart's penchant for young girls and Jimmy Don Bunch testified that he was in prison with Hart after the murders and
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Hart told him that he was stoned and was drinking wine for 3 days when he woke up
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in the cave all blooded and he was not sure whether he had killed those girls or not all right so this jail house
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informant SL jailhouse snitch is telling us that heart got boozed up mhm which it
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happens for days it happens it's been known to happen it's called binge worthy so he gets all boozed up he wakes up in
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this cave he's covered in blood doesn't know what he did mhm but again this is kind you know I don't like these um to
00:31:17
me this is not evidence this to me this is less than hearsay right and because it's a jail housee
00:31:23
snitch Larry dry testified that he and heart broke into Camp Scott more than once when it was empty to steal food so
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as we all suspected Hart was clearly familiar with the camp so let's talk about physical evidence shall we Captain
00:31:41
we shall well first off we have speculated about some different weapons and some things found but technically as
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far as this case goes and as far as what is on record there is no weapon no murder weapon that was found and we also
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have no fingerprints where found that they could link to Heart there was a single hair on Denise Milner's body that
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forensic experts who analyzed it and testified stated it quote microscopically was similar to that of
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Heart Right similar but not 100% positive it was Hearts correct and we've learned things within the past 15 years
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that will suggest that it's very difficult to say this is a 100% Mach when you're comparing you know hairs
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found at a scene and hairs found at at another location and the other thing too regarding the sexual assaults on the
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victims the evidence Left Behind was complicated here's how it was explained by ay magazine quote seminal fluid
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obtained from the victim's bodies presented a conundrum sperm was present yeah but heart had a vasectomy earlier
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so they claimed that he couldn't actually produce sperm correct the prosecution argued that
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Hart's vasectomy was only partially successful Consulting Physicians said such cases could result in nonproductive
00:33:09
deformed sperm Hart had type O blood as does 45% of the population he was a secretor like 80% of the population the
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seen sample from the victims was from a nonwhite male who was a secretor with blood type O and it contained deformed
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sperm the number of people in the United States who met all of that criteria represented
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0.002% of the population the OSBI website States the deformed sperm seemed to match a sample from Jean Hart it's
00:33:45
also worth noting though that the Oklahoma State pathologist who performed the autopsies Dr Neil Hoffman claimed
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not to have found sperm however the OSBI I conducted its own investigations and they claimed sperm
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was present and it was the same from each of the victims MH so simply meaning if the Oklahoma State Bureau of
00:34:09
Investigation is correct in their stated findings there was only one rapist who left deposits and their analysis of
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physical evidence including sperm s samples and other bodily fluids revealed that only
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0.002% of the population met the unique characteristics contained in that evidence this is obviously a very very
00:34:33
small percentage of population but it does include Gan Hart right 0.2 that's very very small percent what
00:34:44
about the evidence that tended to show that it wasn't heart mhm we have the bootprint which appeared to some people
00:34:51
to be smaller than a size 11 A2 the size Hart's lawyer maintained that he wore yeah there's a bunch of conflicting
00:34:59
stories about this I've heard as small as 9 and2 shoe size the second shoe print was smaller it was the sneaker
00:35:07
print and this was believed to be around size seven this obviously also does not
00:35:12
fit Hearts size of 11 and a half mhm the flashlight contained one fingerprint and
00:35:18
that was not Hearts but but again the flashlight we believe was stolen from the farm no we we have the farm owner
00:35:27
who says he could not identify the flashlight that doesn't mean that it didn't come from his rather large
00:35:33
property right however I think that one thing we can think about here is we know
00:35:37
that Hart was known to burglarize many properties right so it could have been stolen from anywhere and and that
00:35:44
fingerprint doesn't mean that that has to match the killer right or it could match the killer that's the that's the
00:35:52
problem with this flashlight here mhm so the other thing too though is why weren't Hart's fingerprints found on
00:35:59
anything they weren't found on anything in the caves they weren't found on the flashlight they weren't found on the
00:36:05
duct tape if investigators found Fingerprints of hearts at the murder scene or maybe
00:36:12
even in the caves their case would have been a lot stronger so some more information came
00:36:19
to light in the course of the two trials in this case one was a Civil Trial and one was
00:36:25
criminal a month two after the murders a camp counselor named Michelle Hoffman contacted Barbara day and told her a
00:36:32
disturbing story this occurred in April of 1977 the counselors had returned to their tent to find it ransacked with
00:36:43
their things scattered and some money missing a box of donuts had been emptied and a note left Inside the Box a
00:36:51
counselor read the note remarked how creepy it was and threw it away so now she told Barbara day that the note said
00:36:59
something along the lines of four girls will be killed or we are on a mission to
00:37:05
kill three girls mhm so we don't know or don't have any evidence at all about this note because remember it was thrown
00:37:13
away they didn't report it to the higher ups at the time later stating that they
00:37:19
believed that it was just a prank so they dismissed it only after the murders did Michelle tell Barbara about it but
00:37:26
because of its seeming foreshadowing this note has taken on almost mythical proportions well they should have
00:37:34
reported it cuz I mean frankly it's bad enough that you leave that creepy note but once you steal Donuts you cross the
00:37:41
line well here the thing too though that we got to keep in mind no one can really
00:37:46
even prove that this note ever existed and if it did no one can recall the exact wording on the note or even the
00:37:54
number of girls that it threatened right but my point is if you can prove that there was donuts and you can prove that
00:38:00
there's some missing you can prove that there's a monster out there I think given this situation I think it would be
00:38:07
incredibly unlikely that the killer would have left a warning note you know months in advance before killing these
00:38:16
girls uh my only thing would be if you look at somebody like Hart that has done heinous crimes before maybe has a
00:38:25
wrestling you know wrestles with not wanting to commit the crime and by maybe somehow when he went to uh steal
00:38:33
something that he decided to leave a note to maybe stop himself if he's hiding in the area and has been for
00:38:41
quite some time and he's on the run from the police I feel like it would be I feel
00:38:47
like it would be kind of a big hey here here's somebody you should be looking for let's look around this area for
00:38:53
what's going on so do you think the note is just a [ __ ] story and maybe it's just to add to the urban
00:38:59
legend of the whole thing I don't want to call any of these people out because I I firmly believe that anybody at the
00:39:06
camp that day that night is probably traumatized in some form from this whole horrible horrific scene and tragedy of
00:39:15
course I mean I mean take take example of your counselor and you see some kind of glowing light a flashlight in the
00:39:24
distance in the woods and you're and you're tracking it and then it disappears at some point you're going to
00:39:31
go I wish I would have checked that out further but also maybe if you're the one
00:39:36
that checks that out further you become a victim mhm so there'd be a lot of scenarios that are probably playing
00:39:43
through these Camp counselor's Minds The parents' Minds the other the camper minds of what could have happened what
00:39:52
should have happened and maybe what they could have done to stop it well well as
00:39:57
you can see already in this case to really tear through it you have to have a lot of different boxes a lot of
00:40:04
different compartments to put all of this information and the whole story about this note being left threatening the
00:40:12
lives of some girls I'm going to kind of put that in the box the same box as Jean
00:40:19
Hart was a shape shifter box right big fot the murder trial began on March 25th 19 1977 after a month-long preliminary
00:40:29
hearing the longest in State history the trial was held on the third floor courtroom of the Mae County Courthouse
00:40:35
in Prior with judge William J westler presiding special prosecutor buddy fallis Jr and chief prosecutor Ron
00:40:44
schaer were appointed to assist district attorney Sid wise who later had to withdraw because of his alleged
00:40:52
intention to profit from a book about the case apparently he agreed to furnish a journalist with confidential
00:41:00
information in return for part of the profits the prosecution requested and was denied a change of venue they were
00:41:08
arguing that it was too much there was too many people in the public that were in favor of Hart that didn't believe
00:41:15
that he was guilty too many supporters Garvin Isaac's a former public defender from Oklahoma City was hired to defend
00:41:23
Hart this was after the Unexplained depart of Hart's first attorney Larry Oliver well it baffles me you know I
00:41:31
know you're on a role right now but it still baffles me that Hart play plad guilty to the charges that he was faced
00:41:40
with before these three murders he plad guilty to raping and the murders of those women right
00:41:47
mhm and and it still seems like the community around him is like me he was lying about that yeah you I mean like
00:41:57
it's almost like they dismissed that that ever happened well and here's the thing too you have to wonder had he not
00:42:03
pled guilty what evidence they could have shown at that trial cuz there would have been a trial what evidence they
00:42:10
could have shown at that trial may have changed the whole Public's perception of
00:42:14
this guy yeah but because because he played guilty he avoided a trial now we talked
00:42:20
about his first attorney in this trial who he had this unexplained departure uh from The Trial Larry Oliver years later
00:42:29
Oliver went on to say that he felt Hart could have done it and that's why he didn't represent him he said that he
00:42:36
felt that Hart had a quote Dark Side M jury selection questioned 11 jurors that eventually led to six men and six women
00:42:47
that were impanel not a single jury member was Native American but Hart had the unwavering support of many in the
00:42:56
community in a sad note one of the victim's parents remarked that when they entered the courtroom they felt that
00:43:04
they were seen as the enemy media from all over the country flocked to the courthouse to attend the trial and the
00:43:11
atmosphere was described as a circus with Spectators lining up hours in advance to get seats Native American
00:43:18
activists attending and Community supporters voicing their opinions throughout the trial was Sensational pun
00:43:26
Ed from start to finish without Outburst both attorneys were fre yeah both attorneys were frequently called to the
00:43:33
bench for reprimands as tempers flared and verbal Jabs were traded at one point schaer the prosecutor even challenged
00:43:41
Isaac to go outside for to arm wrestle during closing arguments by the defense the
00:43:49
audience would often applaud or holler the judge was forced to clear the courtroom more than once during the
00:43:57
trial we won't go into the whole trial here as we've already discussed evidence against Hart but the state called 32
00:44:05
Witnesses and what we didn't mention fully is Larry dry the convict and former co- escapee of Hearts testified
00:44:14
that he and Hart hid out in the caves where evidence linked to the murders was found right he also said he received
00:44:22
three threatening letters from an unknown person who he assumed to be Hart saying that if dry told anyone where
00:44:30
Hart might be hiding out his wife and daughter were in danger counselor Celia stall testified
00:44:39
that two Girl Scouts were scared when quote two mysterious men were near their tent sometime around the time of the
00:44:45
murders and Richard day testified that he saw a tall stranger near the creek the day before the
00:44:52
murders Hart maintained his innocence throughout the the trial he stated in one press conference he gave before the
00:45:00
trial that at the time of the murders he was in Tulsa at his uncle's house the uncle conveniently died during The
00:45:07
Manhunt and couldn't testify at the trial nevertheless even without an alibi the defense went on the attack and
00:45:15
effectively undermined much of the prosecution's case its Witnesses testified that the hair and sperm
00:45:21
evidence was not conclusive it claimed evidence was planted the miror and the pipe the photographs found near the cave
00:45:29
which had supposedly been seen in Sheriff Weaver's possession before they were found it claimed a homosexual
00:45:37
female counselor could have killed the girls it even presented an alternative theory that another man had committed
00:45:45
these murders and although a witness who testified implicating this other man was
00:45:50
eventually charged with perjury the damage seemed to have been done the defense rest Ed without heart taking the
00:45:57
stand 10 days after opening arguments the jury began their deliberations they retired for the night
00:46:05
without a verdict and was ready within 30 minutes of convening the next morning wow March 29th
00:46:12
1979 they were ready with their decision a unanimous verdict of not guilty was their decision the courtroom erupted
00:46:21
with cheers jury remarks about their findings included quote a Reasonable Doubt and evidence wasn't there and the
00:46:29
investigation was a screwed up mess although some jurors indicated that they didn't necessarily believe Hart was
00:46:37
totally innocent one juror told the Tulsa World that all 12 had agreed after only 5 minutes of deliberation that Hart
00:46:46
should be found not guilty it wasn't any one thing they stated there were too many Loose Ends too many things didn't
00:46:54
add up in an Associated Press interview a year later they quoted in the Tulsa World juror Leela Ramsey said none of us
00:47:05
knew whether he did it or did not do it we were shocked that they didn't have more evidence than what they had or
00:47:13
maybe as buddy fallis suggested post trial it was the fact that Hart was headed back to prison anyway to serve a
00:47:21
300-year sentence which wasn't admissible but which the defense let slip in front of the jury oh what a
00:47:29
party Foul so the jury knew it could have quit and Har if in fact he had done it he still wasn't going free so it
00:47:37
arguably didn't matter what the jury said prosecutors cried shocked and left in disbelief at the verdict they felt
00:47:46
they had their man right and they thought that they proved his guilt 20 years later when the OJ verdict came
00:47:53
down two of the murder victim's mothers set of Hart's trial and that of OJ Simpson's trial you would be absolutely
00:48:01
shocked at how many similarities there were in those two cases Sher farmer told an interviewer the alleged planting of
00:48:09
evidence the race card all of that was played Betty Milner said watching the OJ Simpson trial was like it was happening
00:48:17
to us all over again Simpson's attorney as we all know the late Johnny Cochran he talked about a bloody glove when he
00:48:25
said if it doesn't fit you must acquit Garvin Isaac's foreshadowed this 20 years earlier referencing the bloody
00:48:32
bootprint that was allegedly not Hart's size saying quote you can't shrink your foot right according to reports the Hart
00:48:41
jury was not allowed to hear evidence regarding Hart's previous rapes prosecutors and law enforcement who
00:48:49
carefully pulled together the case against Hart weren't able to recover from what they called a gross
00:48:55
miscarriage of Justice yeah but the the difference in this case is look OJ when he was found not guilty he walked free
00:49:05
MH in this case when Hart was found not guilty he was going to spend over 300 years in prison right so there's there's
00:49:13
a big difference there and you can't tell me that the defense didn't let that slip on purpose you know the the jury
00:49:20
was not supposed to know that because remember they prosecution was not allowed to present his previous crimes
00:49:26
of these rapes that he had committed well and think of it this way though the jury took 30 minutes right 30 minutes
00:49:33
the the second day right but my my point is by that second day somebody could have said hey look go home and sleep on
00:49:40
it tonight but it doesn't matter if he's found innocent or guilty he's going away
00:49:46
uh to prison for over 300 years if you think in those terms then then it what does doesn't matter if you rule him
00:49:57
guilty or not right and I I think that's the big argument that's presented here because you have this this simple fact
00:50:04
okay I'm asked as a juror to determine Beyond Reasonable Doubt you know that this guy killed these three girls m well
00:50:16
they didn't really prove their case Beyond A Reasonable Doubt I I think it was a bit stacked against them that they
00:50:22
didn't have the technology at the time possibly right we'll get into some other alternative theories here later but this
00:50:31
simple situation of well I have this little part of me that says he he might not have done this okay well if we say
00:50:39
that he's innocent all right all right if we say he's guilty okay he's he's going to serve life sentences right he's
00:50:47
already facing a life sentence if we say he's guilty and he actually didn't do it then the real
00:50:54
killer or killers are getting away with murder they will never be apprehended likely for this case but if we say he's
00:51:03
innocent we got nothing to lose other than we can't try him again right he's already going away in the 18 months
00:51:11
following the verdict 22 OSBI agents quit they quit their job Ted limy OSBI in inspector he unprofessionally let's
00:51:22
say commented publicly that there would be no further investigation and they might as well close the case because the
00:51:29
jury quote turned loose the man who committed the murders interestingly after the trial the
00:51:37
parents will return the items of clothing from their dead children what they were wearing that fateful night
00:51:44
this a clear indication that the investigation was effectively over right so the devastated parents looked for
00:51:51
other ways to obtain Justice for their daughters in 19 1985 the farmers and milers filed civil lawsuits against the
00:51:59
magic Council claiming its negligence was partly responsible for the deaths of their daughters and seeking a $5 million
00:52:08
Judgment at the Civil Trial testimony from former campers and counselors included Tales of thefts break-ins and
00:52:15
strange happenings in the years and even weeks and days preceding the murders a story came out that in 1976 three moms
00:52:24
visited the camp were asleep when a man looked into their tent the story about the warning note in the donut box was
00:52:32
addressed testimony was heard that on the night of the murder screams were heard in the night tents were opened by
00:52:39
strange men or a strange man and there were multiple sightings of a strange man or strange men in the woods and girls
00:52:47
were grabbed but in the end the jury ruled in favor of the council so once again the parents were left with no
00:52:56
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