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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] all right if sorry I was listening to Howard ster and they get on a heyo kick sometimes
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and I just makes you want to do that all the time all the time please do that in somebody else's
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garage um I posted a picture of uh B dukes and it's it's funny to me because when when when I posted that um oh hey
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there's some news about Bo dukes and we'll probably talk about that on off the Record mhm somebody replied one of
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the replies was well I probably well listen oh which that was funny the other one was um
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o what's up with that what's up with that and I went hey this is somebody that gets us so whoever posted that you
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are a genius somebody actually posted the what's up with that skit like a little picture just
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words what's up with that what's up with that all right so I was home alone yesterday having some beers watching the
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you know how much I love the NFL playoffs so I was like a kid in a candy store and during my excitement I did
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break into a what's up with that dance and song Thank God no one was around yeah
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oh anyone that's not seen that that's like that should be stored on your desktop somewhere for anytime you're
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feeling down and out or having a bad day you just keep it on your computer watch
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it instant mood change I also like when people say how do you come up with the captain intros and they go the amount of
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times that we we stop sometimes it's mid recording we're not we're not even to the break yet and
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I'll just be thinking this is so depressing and I I'll I'll toss up something old Saturday Night Live or or
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some comedy special and and and sometimes there's a little saying or a joke or something you go oh that would
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make a good Captain intro mhm so Bo Dukes I think my post was Bo Dukes what are you doing what is wrong with you
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well I mean you you steal over $100,000 from the government right now I I believe it's through the Army but
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let's just say government mhm you are going to spend at least two years in jails jail for that you you haven't been
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you haven't had to serve your time yet basically he was sentenced to 2 years then the judge says hey we're going to
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let you out we're going to let you get your Affairs in order and then at some point we're going to issue you a date
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that you'll have to come and turn yourself in mhm and because there's no violent offense now they knew what was
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happening when that trial was happening that judge did know what was going on with the teror grinstead case but again
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you could argue it's a nonviolent offense even though I think you could also argue yes the person wasn't alive
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but burning a body is a violent offense mhm I could see both Arguments for that so Bo Dukes we haven't discussed him
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since what like October of last year when we covered Tara grinstead who she was a teacher that went missing in
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Georgia South Georgia and I mean they never found her for the longest time Cold Case for 11
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years and eventually Bo Dukes he's he's going around kind of telling people that
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especially when he has too much to drink that he was involved somehow his girlfriend I believe or ex-girlfriend at
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the time one of the two goes to law enforcement and starts talking yeah and then they start talking to Bo Dukes the
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the stealing from the government thing correct me if I'm wrong but the way I recall that was he was in charge of of
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some allocating funds and monies and stuff like that and and purchases for the Army or whatever Branch it was and
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he was sometimes buying things and then later fencing them later selling them off yeah and then also probably fudging
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the paperwork too you know if you buy something for $10 you charge the government $50 yeah so it was it wasn't
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like he went into um Fort Knox and and stole gold bars or anything like that he was he was really just kind of duping
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them on their purchases that they put him in charge of making right entrusted him with this responsibility and he
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couldn't help himself but to steal six figures yeah it's very similar to Bankers you know they're in charge of
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your money but there's Bankers that steal every day mhm and so the judge was waiting to give him a
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date to come in and serve time but for whatever reason that normally they they give you four to 6 weeks but that time
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has already passed and but the date just has never been given to him so on top of
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that you have that Weighing on your mind that at some point they're going to tell
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you hey you got two weeks you got four weeks you got whatever you got to come in so the ledged accusations against Bo
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Dukes is that he held two women at gunpoint brought him captive back to a resident they I've seen mix reports some
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state that uh he's going to be charged with raping them both uh I've seen reports that he'll only be charged with
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rape on one of them but then I've also seen that he'll be charged with sodomy charges as well and there's actually
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video footage of the girls running from that residence to the neighbor's house I
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believe the one girl looks like she's in a towel which this is just my my uh little pea
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brain when when she talks to the officer the officer sits there and talks to her
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outside and I just keep thinking this girl's in a towel it looks like it's raining like you think if you're the
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officer you'd be going okay honey let's get you in a car or let's get you in a house or something MH so we're not just
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sitting out here in the rain while you're in a towel um um but who knows what kind of condition she was in you
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know but it and then there's just mixed reports too some saying that a neighbor came by
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and that's kind of what stopped the whole thing and then other people saying that his girlfriend came home and then
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it makes you wonder is this the girlfriend that turned him into gbi so there's a lot of questions here
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but what we do know is that from from January 1st I mean just think about this Bo Dukes at some point is sitting
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around watching Dick fart's New Year's Eve mhm and he's thinking 2019 is going to be my
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year and this guy immediately on January 1st is on the run from law enforcement so it looks like however this was broken
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up whether it was a neighbor or the girlfriend coming home the girl's running next door he takes off right now
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there was a man hunt for Bo Dukes yeah and I think at one point they issued uh US Marshals to get involved well then
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they realized that um I think it's osila osilla uh is where he's from right and and that's close to making but the the
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idea was they they thought he was going to have some contact with his family they actually thought he was going to M
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try to make contact or or or try to go there to hide out mhm uh so they're kind of watching this property and then he
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shows up I think the other day couple days ago um and they were waiting for him so the family issued a statement I'm
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not going to read that statement uh because I've heard some this is just rumors but I heard
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from a lot of people that live in that area that he comes from not directly but encompassing his family has money right
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and because of their Orchard and that's you know on the orchard is where they found ter grads well that's where they
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claimed that they they burn ter his body but in that area they said that look this this guy bod dues was doing
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some bad [ __ ] for a long time and that this family kept on enabling him and look that's just rumors so I don't want
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to throw them under the bus but that's that's what I heard I also heard rumors that they thought that he was going to
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go to the Orchard and to possibly take out the people that live there that was a
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rumor that I was seeing on the internet and then that makes you wonder do do they know something more about the Tera
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grinstead case because as of right now the only charges that we think might be you know we don't we don't know if
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there's going to be murder charges brought against Bo Dukes we know that Ryan Duke is going to face probably um
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murder charges in that case but what the charges so so that's what's weird so first why is he not in jail well we told
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you the one reason about stealing money from the Army and they normally give you
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some time to get your Affairs in order the Tera grinstead charges he will be charged with something that's the other
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thing is I was frustrated cuz when I was reading this I'm going you burn a body and you're not in prison but then I
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started thinking okay you're okay sorry but just to interrupt here and this who knows because as you were kind of
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alluding to there are conflicting reports and different stories coming out about this because there are a lot of
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moving pieces here and well you have to have moving pieces when you're on the Run yeah the information I found on this
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is ajc.com now they say that he was out on bond from charges related to the death
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of Tera grinstead and it was a $115,000 bond and so so who puts okay so you you owe over six figures right and somebody
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puts up $15,000 so that makes me feel like the rumors about the family enabling him seem a little true mhm cuz who puts
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up $155,000 well think about what Bo Dukes has done during this situation so after
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he his confession comes to life is kind of made public and there's an arrest of his you know longtime friend
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former classmate Ryan Duke no relation he starts it looks to me like he's hey I was involved in this but in a
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way I'm somewhat a victim too because I didn't know what was going on I helped burn this body and woe is me I've had a
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drug and alcohol problem since then because I can't deal with what I did right and so you wonder you know old you
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know old family members who have some money do they go well I mean at least he confessed to it and he's going to help
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put this guy away and yeah he's going to have to do some time 15 grand is not a lot to put up sometimes in these
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situations though too well you get the money back though right you do but I wonder if these new charges will prevent
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that oh yeah whoever gave him the $115,000 to get out they're not getting their money back yeah cuz I mean one he
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even if he wouldn't be charged with anything else which it sounds like he he will and he should be but I think even
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if you flee the area that there's certain stipulations to these to these bonds that that you will not get them
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back or whoever posted them for you will not get them back now one thing that happens sometimes and this could happen
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let's say a and I I'm going to reference a name and I know it didn't happen in this specific instance but so take
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somebody like Scott Peterson okay so a guy that that claims he's in ENT and if a judge would have set up a system where
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he could be out on on bond or bail whatever you want to call it yeah when you got a guy like that and nobody likes
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you you know you can't get anybody to come to your defense anybody to post your bond for you in some cases I have
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seen where the lawyer that represents that individual will post the bond and then they build that into your your
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lawyer fee later on right because the idea is if nothing happens and you and you just stay at home and you you just
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live your life and then you show up that they're going to get their money back anyways yeah so but in this case when
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you hold people by gunpoint so that that's one there's going to be a charge there there's going to be a kidnapping
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charge at some point and they'll just toss that on top of the rape and top on top of the sodomy charges yeah this
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website says that the new accusations of rape and false imprisonment um came allegedly after he assaulted two women
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on New Year's Day apparently he according to this article he brought them into his home under the threat of
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violence and victimized them with a gun in hand right so but that's what I wonder okay were they just
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walking well that's that's what's interesting to me because so it they go on in this article to say that it is uh
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police are declining to say how the three were acquainted so the two that women that he victimized in B how were
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these three acquainted were these and this is what scares me here if these were two women that he knew in advance
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that knew him and he brings them back to his place with the threat of violence I'm assuming victimize them with gun in
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hand he might have brought them to his home using the weapon using the gun right but wouldn't you be charged with
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kidnapping then you would 100% uh that's probably the false imprisonment like so
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most of the time false imprisonment is a can be I think it's a lesser charge than
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actual kidnapping but usually sometimes in these situations they'll charge you with a lesser charge to hold you and as
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they collect evidence they might Elevate those charges to more you know something
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more severe right and also made me wonder did they know him and then just happen to be at the house well that see
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that's what scares and then that's when he turned on him like Hey I got a gun that's what scares me because here's the
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situation that I I think about immediately is if he knew these people if they knew him at least knew his name
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and and all that jazz if they didn't know him you could see a situation where you could look if
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they don't know who you are you could kidnap somebody victimize them and drop them off in the middle of nowhere and
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there might be a chance that they can't identify you right if they already know who Bo Dukes
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is what was his intention after he victimized them how was he planning on getting away with this did this was this
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going to involve murder right and covering up these other horrible charges that he's now facing so you know and I
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know there's different rumors about how then he waits 11 years and he blames it all on Ryan yeah that's what he was
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going to do well so it sounds like this article states that one of the women escaped through a window while Bo
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was distracted by something ran to the neighbor home and when he figured out that one of them had got away he then
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fled his home which was in Warner Robbins which I I don't know where that is in uh proximity to osilla but he fled
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this few hours away I believe Warner Robbins area in a white 2013 Kia sento and they go on to say Warner nice
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neighborhood though is it I mean when you see the video footage you go look this looks like a new construction
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neighborhood mhm nice houses I mean the neighbor obviously not only has a nice house but he had a nice security system
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to catch this footage so it's just very strange another curious thing is that Warner Robbins police said Dukes had
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made suicidal threats so I I'm wondering if that doesn't have anything to do with
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this particular situation like maybe were these suicidal threats in advance or did he have some kind of
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communication with his attorney when he was on the run you know well right right
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well I think what's happening here too is one he was kind of talking suicide all the time anyways I mean he talked
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about suicide before the confession then he talked a a little bit about it afterwards but then did this whole thing
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where he's like but now that this is lifted off my chest and I got a chance for for a new start and all this stuff
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then then that those thoughts have gone away I'm guessing it's the girl gets free mhm which I mean just a look this
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is an awful situation that these two girls are in but the what I like in this story you saw opening and you took it
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because you got a guy sitting there with a gun what are your Alternatives if you don't try to do
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something if if you just sit there and nothing happens what happens do you you both end up shot do you both end up dead
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you both end up you know on an orchard um field somewhere being burnt mhm like those are the Alternatives most of the
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time so to see that somebody oh there's a window I'm going to take it and that saved both of your lives and I mean you
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know it's like she was a hero for herself and somebody else oh and it could could ultimately save lives in the
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future because Duke's was not technically we know what kind of sentence prison sentence he would have
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received from this he's 34 years old according to this article so I mean even if the guy was facing 20 25 years he's
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34 yeah 34 years of douchebaggery I actually thought he was older than that well he looks like [ __ ] he well that's
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the that's the cocaine man yeah he's got the old cocaine face but um you wonder like if he would
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have received 20 25 years and then got out at some point look this this is extremely violent behavior and whatever
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his involvement was with Tara grinstead you really have to call that into question his whole confession now
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because I look dude sorry but we well not sorry Reese not sorry but uh we know you're capable of kidnapping women
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assaulting them whatever yeah raping them whatever whatever we whatever to light out of this we don't know all the
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details at the moment but we know you're capable of that how much further of a stretch is it for me to go well [ __ ]
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maybe he did the this whole Tera grinstead thing himself and his drunk buddy that's been drunk for a decade
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since he was born yeah yeah it's it's it's a difficult and you know what it reminds me of well wait I
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want to throw something on that to remind everybody in a shocked to everybody Ryan pleed not
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guilty right so it's this [ __ ] story that and look but Ryan's still locked up right
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waiting for some kind of trial yes which is going to start soon and what's interesting though and and these are
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other rumors that I heard was they filed not they they plad not guilty and then the next step was for them to start
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showing their hand of what kind of defense that they're going to have right okay you're not guilty but why well a
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lot of people said that it was going to be one of those he said she said arguments he said he said well he said
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you're right right but that he was waiting because for whatever reason that he was scared of retali you know uh
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because they knew the charges that Bo had charged against him mhm that he was going to go to prison
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for 2 years and they were waiting for all that to happen but when the judge then didn't have a date that he was set
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to go to prison they've kind of held back on some of this stuff mhm like basically like well we're waiting until
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he's locked up and then once he's locked up then we'll start coming forward with
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some information they know and and then it makes you wonder is Ryan working with
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gbi on anything because gbi has the stories from I mean GB is the reason why Ryan's locked up um they're actually the
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reason why Bose should be locked up but um I here's I know he's out on bail but it's
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like I I just don't know if you should give bail to somebody like that it it it's very questionable but gbi what what
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they really need to do here Captain is they need to try to put one or both of these individuals at the scene of the
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Abduction of Tera grinstead at her home where we believe she was taken from and if you can physically put one or both of
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these guys here cuz we need somebody to clear this up for us because what we have here is this is so much like cereal
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so much like Adnan Sayed where we have two guys that are somewhat friends on what you know you can argue what kind of
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friends they were what kind of friends they weren't who cares they they were friends and you later you have one guy
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saying yes I was involved here's the little bits that I was involved in and this other guy killed this woman right
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and it's it's really a very similar story and the thing I hate about that is no it's it's unclear what actually
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happened in Adon say's case right but here's here's what's super interesting in that case Adnan had a car
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Jay was borrowing the car in this case Ryan didn't have a car right was borrowing Bo's car mhm it's same
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situation now now I think I led on to this that when we covered the story I get these weird I don't know if it was
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social media messages or maybe it was a email but it was uh bo dukes and he said
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uh I want to tell you my side of the story I thought oh [ __ ] and then he figured out hey we cover these guys
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cover new case every week they're not making a series on this mhm so I think what he thought was these guys are going
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to do a series on this and I'm going to get a jump on them so I can have the a good light shed on me instead of being
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on the bad side and having you know another podcast talk [ __ ] about me I'm going to get on these guys' good side
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but once he realized that hey we're we're not doing a series he just basically was like well I don't need to
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talk to you I go no you don't then he listened to an epod for whatever reason he
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said I just think you want to know the truth so he calls me he tells me his side of the story it sounds believable
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right but also if this is a story that you've been telling yourself to make yourself feel better for the last 11
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years it's going to come out the same I also said to him and that's the thing don't temp me I'm I'm nuts I'm I'm
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on a I'm on the phone with a guy he could hang up I don't give a [ __ ] I called him a piece of [ __ ] multiple
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times on the phone what was surprising to me is you'd think this guy on some level would go well I'm tired of you
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calling me a piece of [ __ ] I'm going to hang up the phone hour and a half goes
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by I think I called him a piece of [ __ ] like four maybe six times never hangs up
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the phone agrees with me every time right again he could have just been trying to play me but his
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story the parts that don't there was no logical sense he didn't have an answer for and part of me when he was
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constantly not having an answer for I thought well this might be a [ __ ] story because then his his thought is
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once we get to the point where I did something stupid if I just don't have an answer well why did that happen I don't
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know mhm like you would know if you analyze anything for the last 11 years you'd know why you did it and it would
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it could be something stupid but you would you would have drawn something from your past when I was three years
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old this thing happened and that's probably why I did it m but he had no answer for any of that
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stuff um but I also feel and look I'm going to say this and I don't want anybody to think like oh
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well he feels bad I don't feel bad for Dukes at all no literally it's what are you doing you idiot well and you you
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have to wonder is this is he really the psychopath in this whole story and has he been manipulating everyone since this
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happened and kind of controlling the narrative that's out there and controlling the the thoughts of what
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actually went down in terror's case and he can't he can't control himself and now the real bod Dukes please stand up
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and we're starting to see who he really is I really think look if if we know for
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a fact that you know you rape a girl look let's let's just start chopping off [ __ ]
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right I'm telling you the amount of rapes would go down by 90 some per. if you said hey look the penalty is not
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only are we going to put you in jail not only we going to handcuff you like an animal but we're going to chop your [ __ ]
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off a lot of people will would think twice and and so I don't know if he was trying to play me but I also think maybe
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he is one of these people there are criminals that do bad [ __ ] and dumb [ __ ]
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and feel bad about it oh yeah yeah and so I think the fact that he did feel bad about it and that's what I sense that he
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felt bad about it that doesn't mean he's innocent of anything no just means that
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he does dumb [ __ ] that he does illegal [ __ ] that he is self self centered and
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selfish of an individual but then after afterwards he just he cares but I don't think he cares about what happened to
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tera's family or what happened to tera's community I don't think he cares about his his buddy Ryan I he claimed that for
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years but but obviously we can see now he doesn't I mean no he cares that it affected his life right you know he
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talked about how like it was a weight off his shoulders well it wasn't because you're trying to do justice was because
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that you you finally he he got to finally quit watch looking over his shoulder the whole time he probably
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thought they're going to arrest me any day now and eventually they'll find me eventually they'll find me but one thing
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that he did say that was interesting was to you yes okay and I'm going to say it now cuz I don't I don't
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give yeah but he's under the G he's under the gag order not you no you can't gag me not into that stuff not into that
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stuff so anyways um yeah I hope his you know I hope they chop his [ __ ] off in prison
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but he said this and I thought this was interesting and also I don't think he he
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he's a dumb guy by any means I mean he does dumb [ __ ] but talking to him like he has some kind of brains in between
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his ears but I said okay well why aren't you in jail and he didn't even say the bond
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thing okay like you're telling me this story but how how is anybody supposed to believe you now he did this shitty stuff
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right so how are we supposed to believe him at all in this ter grinstead case evidence is evidence though so even if
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he does this [ __ ] even if he's get gets charged with this stuff even if he gets
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charged with two counts of kidnapping two counts of rape two counts of sodomy and he spends a long time in
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jail does that directly mean that he was involved in the terror case more than what he stated
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no and what's going to be difficult and I don't know if he knows this answer but
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this is what he stated he goes I told the story to gbi like 6 months before the arrest MH so he's
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talking with gbi he's working with gbi they're saying you know you got to tell us more so we can believe you and
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they're and then they're going back after he talks and checking evidence right and what he
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believes is that they have something some kind of evidence that puts Ryan inside tera's home yeah
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and that there's nothing to put him inside the home and therefore they started believing his story well let's
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look at it from this angle because I would think that when you're approach you know your gbi you're approached with
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this confession yeah your first thought is okay I want to I want to hear and and
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record everything that this guy claims yeah but at the same time I'm sitting here trying to figure
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out did you actually do this and you're trying to throw this guy under the bus because you know what I mean that that's
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where I think the going back and forth and checking and talking and checking and talking comes in they're trying to
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confirm hey is his story right or was he the actual perpetrator of this this murder right and what what's what's also
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fascinating too and I hope this is right for you know for for all involved but I wonder if Georgia has the
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three strikes Rule and I know that that rule plays differently in the states that have it but it's it would seem to
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me Captain that that between all these charges the new charges and some of the old ones that you probably have three
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highlevel felony charges in there that would qualify for the three strikes Ru and that would make him a lifer that
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would make him a life in prison and I you know I I'm more familiar with the way that it works in California because
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I think they were the first to do the three strikes rule right but in California you get life but you do get
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the possibility of parole and I believe it's 25 years uh before you're even eligible for parole well I think okay
00:32:14
you have the 2-year prison but then you are on probation this violates your probation so you're going to get the two
00:32:21
years plus more and plus they're going to probably add to the two years because that was probably a lighter sentence
00:32:28
but they'll probably give you more on that plus they're going to give you more on the Probation Plus they're going to
00:32:33
give you more for running from the cops plus they're going to you know what I mean like they're going to find all
00:32:37
these ways to okay we're going to charge you with this that might be only two years we get out of here or five years
00:32:43
or whatever but depending on I I'd be surprised that he doesn't get close to life mhm um so hey you know
00:32:54
Bo Dukes ooe what's up with that what's up with that just real quick on some clarification on some things that we
00:33:01
were talking about um are you going to tell everything we said was wrong no no no everything we said was right but just
00:33:07
one thing to kind of clean it up a bit for um just for our own clear heads it states that Dukes who served in the US
00:33:17
Army pled guilty to a conspiracy charge in 2013 for a scheme to have depart Department of Defense property shipped
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to his home in Savannah he was sentenced to federal prison he was released in October of 2015 so and we reported this
00:33:34
when we covered terrorist case a long time ago he did serve actual time for that the problem with that
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is his release was based off of him repaying $130,000 in restitution and completing
00:33:50
community service right and according to this article he did neither of those so
00:33:56
that like the captain just pointed out means you go back to jail you don't collect $200 you go directly to jail and
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but he has not yet obviously because he was out on New Year's Eve and New Year's
00:34:07
Day and and you know did some terrible horrible things thank God those women survived this CU Captain I really think
00:34:14
that's where this was leading yeah was was uh to to double homicide and like I said she's a hero for herself but she's
00:34:21
a hero for the other person and and I just think uh you know we we should applaud that more you know
00:34:28
yeah so is the other a victim but but she's a here oh yeah but that's what I'm saying the other victim could have very
00:34:35
well have been the reason that he was distracted so that she could flee out the window yeah that's what I'm saying
00:34:40
like I mean that's that's awesome I mean I know that sounds I I don't know if that's the right words but when I hear
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that story I go yes good for them because this could have ended worse and and good for you for I mean in those
00:34:56
situations you got to fight yes and and fighting might mean running but it's like you have to do something
00:35:03
CU we've see on our show time and time again the ones some some put up a fight and they
00:35:09
don't make it but but at in the end of the day they they win the war because they get the person behind bars because
00:35:18
they fought the person and and they had so much DNA evidence on them that that's
00:35:24
how they got a conviction and they never would have got the conviction if the person didn't ever put up a fight we've
00:35:29
heard experts say so many times time and time and time and time again don't get in the car if you're ever faced with
00:35:37
somebody trying to get you in a vehicle even if they're using a gun to get you into a vehicle don't get in the car tell
00:35:45
them you're going to have to shoot me out here um that you know whatever you do because what we've seen so many times
00:35:52
is once they go with the perpetrator the perpetrator is in control at that point yeah yeah
00:36:01
so all right 2019 I just want to say bo bo Dukes what's up with that o what's up with that
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