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foreign [Music] August of 2017 30 year old Kim wall disappeared after boarding the uc3
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Nautilus submarine with a man named Peter Madsen now we discussed that they had found Peter Madsen he claims that he
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had dropped Kim off and then later they find the submarine and they find evidence to suggest that something very
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bad had happened to Kim wall while on board the submarine but at this point they've still not found Kim wall police
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in an effort to do so reconstructed the travels of the Nautilus on August 10th and 11th using radar signals from other
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ships traffic that night and they conducted extensive searches of the waters the Nautilus navigated so a huge
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effort made but they do not locate Kim well on August 21st a cyclist biking at 3 40 in the afternoon on a major Island
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near where the Nautilus went down he found a naked mutilated torso floating on the Island's Shoreline so they find
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her body 11 days after she went missing the Torso which had a belt strapped around it with several pieces of metal
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piping tied to the Belt as if to weight it down the corpse was sent to the Department of forensic medicine at the
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University of Copenhagen where DNA analysis confirmed that this was Kim wall Peter then embellished his story about
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the accidental death to try to account for the discovery of this naked torso all right so let's let's hear what the
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dick knows had to say well some of these details about his story came out in the
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Press despite a court gag order put in place so that the lurid details would of what happened to Kim didn't become
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tabloid fodder well when they place the gag order I think Peter started playing flicky flicky again in a September
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hearing to determine whether there was sufficient evidence to continue to hold Peter pending further investigation of
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the case Peter told the court that he slipped when in the subs Tower and tried to hold the hatch but it fell down Kim
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who was on her way up the tower was hit in the head by the hatch she fell down the ladder and bled from an open skull
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fracture this is what he said he explained that the accident horrified him and he panicked he then hauled Kim
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up using a rope which resulted in her clothes being pulled off specifically he stated that her stockings and underwear
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came off as a result of his pulling her up by the legs he then dropped her body into the sea and intended to commit
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suicide because he was so distraught from what had just occurred soon after Kim's torso was found the prosecutor
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changed the charges against Peter Madsen to manslaughter now just to be clear in
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Denmark this is a greater charge not a lesser charge as it is here in the United States and Denmark this is the
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equivalent of intentional homicide or premeditated murder the autopsy results and of course they were shocking They
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concluded that Kim had been stabbed 14 times in and around her vagina along with at least one other stab wound on
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her rib cage and others on the body it was determined that these wounds were inflicted quote around or shortly after
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her death end quote the uh the autopsy could not determine whether she was strangled but there were signs of
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mechanical asphyxia caused by either strangulation or slit throat Kim's limbs they could determine were likely removed
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with a saw now danish military divers continued to look for the rest of Kim's body and the
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water around where the sub sank this was an incredibly complicated effort requiring oceanography experts in
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currents and Tides analyzing likely flow of the waters they used meteorologists to analyze the weather patterns effect
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on the water in the area and Recreations of some of the exact sailing routes of the Nautilus using that radar that we
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discussed earlier right and again this is 11 days after she went missing or last time she was
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seen so they have to do this math and this research for the last 11 days well once investigators determine where the
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body likely was they use special cadaver dogs from Sweden who were trained to sniff
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through water these these amazing dogs can smell a dead body 30 meters down even after the passage of time
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finally nearly two months after Kim went missing divers found her head clothing and sneakers and a knife in separate
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plastic bags in the waters about 0.6 miles from where her torso was found they also found both legs all of these
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body parts were weighted down with pieces of metal piping or tubes as they were described
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being similar to that that was used in the Nautilus in the submarine well there's so many cases that we cover that
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law enforcement will screw something up or the investigation gets screwed up or you even feel like there might be just a
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lack of effort and then in this case you see law enforcement and you see this team of people gather around together
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and and really go above and beyond well despite these discoveries Captain Peter stuck to his story The the Kim had been
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hit in the head by the heavy hatch and died and he disposed of her body yeah he denies killing her he denies
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dismembering her however a post-mortem examination of Kim's skull conducted once her head was retrieved from the bay
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showed no sign of any kind of fracture or violence to the skull meaning his story is not true it's a it's a lie but
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not only is it a lie but we also have evidence that shows that you're watching videos where
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its vaginas being stabbed and then her vagina stabbed 14 times like that's what kind of coincidence is
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that well and the interesting thing too is as we mentioned not only sticking with his story that he didn't kill her
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but also that he didn't dismember her and this is even after divers found a saw with a blade consistent with
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whatever tool that was used to dismember Kim Kim's body right so sometime in late
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October 2017 the Copenhagen police reported that Peter now was ready to change his story once again regarding
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that night in August now alleging that Kim died from carbon monoxide poisoning he said he was up on the deck of the
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Nautilus and a carbon monoxide leak down below where Kim was caused by a sudden drop in the subs air pressure this is
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what killed her and he states that a vacuum effect kept him from being able to open the hatch to go down and save
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Kim by the time he was able to open the hatch he said I found her lifeless on the floor and I squat next to her and
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tried to wake her up slapping her cheeks Peter claimed he tried for an hour to lift Kim's body out of the sub but
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finally gave up and decided that the only way to get her off of this submarine was to cut her up so at this
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point two months after Kim's Death Peter finally admitted to dismembering her body in the bathroom of the Nautilus
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using quote whatever tools were around he told the court that he then weighed down and dumped Kim's body parts and
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changed his clothes so soon after this partial confession the police found an arm in Kobe
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again it was weighed down with pipes and eight days after that they found another
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arm in the full indictment of Peter Madsen prosecutors alleged that on August 10th
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as part of a plan to kill Kim wall Peter brought on board the submarine the following a saw knife sharpened
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screwdrivers straps zip ties and pipes there are also reports that the indictment mentioned a video camera
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which was missing a memory card and stating Peter bound Kim by the head arms and legs and then repeatedly Beat hit
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cut and stabbed her before killing her possibly by choking or cutting her throat the indictment said
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now the trial Captain would begin on March 8th 2018. let's hold up real quick because how many times how many stories
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has he told so far four or five uh he's let's say four four seems right is he going to keep changing the story
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because I mean this Show's only an hour long well but this is pretty commonplace
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especially with these kind of Maniacs with these kind of monsters right just because it's a psychopath well what they
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do is okay they're they're presented the a story okay this is what what happened
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and we need an explanation so he offers one up yeah he goes what happened was and then he just starts lying out of his
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stupid [ __ ] mouth right that's all he does right well when evidence is later found
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and presented to him then right then he changes the story I mean let's just go back to the one where he freaked out and
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didn't know what to do again you call 9-1-1 yeah you ask for help you do whatever you can you don't then to say
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hey well you know now his story basically is you know he must think that everybody on this Earth is so stupid
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that they're going to to believe this idea that oh Paul she did she died and then I I kneeled down beside her and I
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couldn't do anything so I decided Well you know that saw that I brought on the boat today let me dismember her uh tie
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her body type pipes to her body uh parts so that that they drowned and nobody can
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find them and then I'll never mention her when when they when they rescue me after I fake drowning My Submarine the
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fact that this [ __ ] believes that anybody is going to believe his story I mean it's just and that shows how
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crazy this individual is well I don't know that he he believes anybody will believe him
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he doesn't have any other options at this point I mean when when he offers up a story and then they give him I mean
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other than confessing yeah it's called you're you're going away for life I'm guessing they don't have
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the death penalty no and actually I don't know that they their life in prison might not be the same as our life
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in prison this is a tell me that this is a country in in a lot of countries out there uh they believe in rehabilitation
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and yeah don't don't believe in that well our country tried that at one point and it didn't work out very well for us
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so we don't believe in Rehabilitation as much as we advertise that we do and I think it's for Lessons Learned well this
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trial Captain was presided over by one professional judge and two lay judges this was an option Peter Manson chose as
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opposed to a jury trial uh this seems reasonable seems like a likely option for him
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if he were to be Tried by a jury they would probably be immediately shocked and horrified what they would learn
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about this individual and be a quick guilty verdict so he's going to take his chances with the judges yeah and just
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when I praise him I think I praised them yesterday for putting forth great effort
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and now you're telling me that this guy could get out of prison well apprehension effort you know
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apprehending somebody the effort made forth and that is one thing holding them for the rest of their lives is is a
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different thing um we we have to keep in mind too captain we're also might not be dealing
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with the normal typical situation and what I mean by that is one we are I can tell I've been listening we already
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discussed the incredibly low murder rate in the area where and I'm not trying to I'm not trying to
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downplay this or their effort in any manner but in other areas of the world when some when something goes unsolved
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for a bit of time the detectives working that case catch another murder case at some point another file lands on their
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desk another investigation is to be had and we see that a lot with cases that we've covered here in the United States
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and that's why sometimes cases go cold because it's just not enough man hours or people to work those cases I mean but
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this this incident is especially different yeah because it shows you I mean this shows you how messed up the
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whole world really is well that's this that's the sickness it's not the whole world it's not the whole world there's
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there's a small part of the world a small percentage tell me where right right right but it's everywhere it's
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happening everywhere well of course right but so just tell me the place that it's not happening and let me go there
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well you have to go where there's no people okay well tell me where that's at because I'm gone I'm on the break well
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that some people are attempting to go to Mars at some point and live and occupy that space while seeing Mars then yeah
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but if there's more than if there's some people there at some point there's going to be a murder great
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I mean look it's it's I'll keep doing the show until there's a murder on Mars everywhere that there's cats and birds
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a cat kills a bird that's just the way that the world Works what are you trying to say about cats it's the way that the
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world works okay so we're talking about the trial here Peter stuck to his story about Kim perishing
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from carbon monoxide poisoning aboard the submarine but on the stand he was almost seemed delusional at times he was
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referring to himself in both the first and third person and frequently switched between
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present and past tense saying things like Kim was having the time of her life and Peter is talking a lot and he is
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happily sharing his dreams with Kim per the indictment prosecutors argued that Peter had planned the murder
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furthermore the prosecution intended to show that Peter and teddon to make a snuff film directed by him and starring
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what would later be the victim there were 35 Witnesses in this trial which lasted five weeks so do they
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believe that he was just faking this nonsense on on the stand or was this something that they think
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was happening naturally I think this was happening naturally I don't have any of their opinions on on
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this and um this is not a trial to determine his State of Mind this is simply a trial to
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determine his guilt and in this situation where you have a guy that appears to be very guilty and
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there's evidence as such it's also more important as to what he is in fact guilty of he's guilty of something what
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in fact was that and keep in mind it's the premeditated murder that they are accusing him of so Peter now has an
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answer as to why there are stab wounds on the Torso and he states that when in panicked when he was trying to get rid
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of the body he stabbed the Torso to release the natural gases that would you know allow the Torso to sink so it
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wouldn't float up and be found easily found well that's going to make it could make it
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difficult for the prosecution to determine how she was killed or if in fact she had died from that carbon
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monoxide poisoning as Peter was suggesting what they could find is we have scientists who would testify during the
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course of this trial and they would testify stating that there were no toxic fumes found in the lungs of Kim wall
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meaning she didn't she didn't breathe anything in that would kill her and they also testified that while an event like
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that is possible the event that Peter described is possible one we have to keep in mind the guy
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practically built by himself this submarine I mean with the assistance of the the company that he founded he built
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the submarine so he fully understands the way that this thing would operate as well as the way that defects would take
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place and accidents could occur so when he gives you a detailed statement of this is how she died because this
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happened well he's going to give you something that is likely or or that is a possibility at least let's say so while
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the scientists would agree with that possibility the thing that they pointed out is for that event to have occurred
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the way that he stated that there would have had been some kind of uh extreme heat event on the submarine meaning a
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fire an explosion or something of that nature causing the heat to rise to such a level that that event occurred well
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the problem with Peter's story is when they look at the submarine and evidence found on the submarine it would be
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obvious if that kind of event occurred to begin with to to to have the cause and effect the domino effect of having
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this carbon monoxide event take place so there was no heat there was nothing destroyed by extreme amounts of heat on
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the submarine so they're able to practically rule that whole thing out regardless of Peter sticking to his
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story foreign we're back cheers mates cheers Captain so as the uh trial went on the
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prosecutors weren't able to fully establish nor prove exactly how Kim wall died okay now what they could conclude
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was that at some point air to the lungs stopped so that could be the result of several different things however all the
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other evidence Point toward her being murdered by Peter Manson and these things were as follows one we have
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people co-workers of his that would testify that those items that the prosecution states that he brought on
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board the the saw the screwdrivers knives zip ties things of that nature all those
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items that they listed those co-workers suggested and said on the stand these are not items we would expect
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somebody to bring on to the sub these were items that you would expect someone to bring if they were going to
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murder maybe torture and dismember somebody right so we have that testimony as well as we have the prosecution who
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would focus on those the clips from the snuff films the torture porn whatever you want to call it they would focus on
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those clips so people in the courtroom the judges and the journalists that were there they were forced to watch some of
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these clips now after a while the judges said hey you got to stop this we can't just keep showing these things all day
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long one us as judges can't sit through this and the journalists can't handle it
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as well yeah and then everybody had to put on boots because Peter kept drooling so much while they're watching these
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clips well it's going to be a lot of this kind of stuff that would lead to the unanimous decision that found him
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guilty uh and he was guilty on all counts in the indictment good good so the three major charges were
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premeditated murder aggravated sexual assault and desecrating a corpse the judge declared the sentence without
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hesitation or delay saying this is a cynical and pre-planned sexual assault of a particularly brutal
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nature on a random woman who in connection with her journalistic work accepted an invitation for a sailing
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trip on the accused submarine explaining the rare decision to hand down Denmark's most severe sentence life
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in prison now again no possibility of parole well I it's again it their system is not the
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same as ours just to be completely clear this is a rare decision to give out a life sentence and and where I said
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earlier that I didn't even think he got life what I mean by that is we know even
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in this country life does not always mean life right so even that it's unusual for a life sentence to be handed
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down for the murder of a single person in Denmark it's rare because what mean we mean here
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is prisoners sentenced to life imprisonment serve an average of 16 years they are then entitled to periodic
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reviews of their sentence beginning at 12 years and usually only serve 16. Denmark places heavy emphasis as we said
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earlier on Rehabilitation there are currently only 25 inmates serving life terms in that country and Peter Madsen
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was only the 15th person in 10 years to receive that sentence now there is another option that may
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keep Peter Manson behind bars for longer this is a term called safe custody so this would be a legal alternative which
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would keep him behind bars indefinitely as long as he is deemed dangerous that he cannot be in society with anybody
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else so I don't really want to put an estimate on how long Peter will be in prison I don't feel
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comfortable or confident in an answer for that because I don't fully understand their SI their system yeah
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okay and I'm just always going to think it's sad that somebody could take somebody's life and then only spend that
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short amount of time in prison I just think that's always going to be ridiculous to me well hopefully in this
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situation life will mean life and let's so let's talk about this for a minute because where we have a country that
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really firmly believes in Rehabilitation let's examine our subject the the person
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that is now serving life in prison and we know we can't say 100 percent what this guy
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did we have a pretty darn good idea right we've we've we've nailed it down pretty good I think yeah but even if
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parts of his story are true that the initial something initially happened that was
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you know to cause her death which I don't believe at all but if let's just say that is true then his warped sick
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mind decided that it'd be better to cut her up and then again type type Hypes around
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her body parts to try to make them sink yeah nobody believes his story or I I don't even think people believe parts of
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his story and the the sentence and the guilty verdict shows that so in regards to him and what drove him to this level
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of Madness yeah was it nature or was it nurture and that's always been the argument in most of these cases and I
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think if we for me to give my full opinion on that I need to tell you a little bit more about
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Peter Manson um and what we do know about him we do know that he was raised by an alcoholic
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abusive father it seems as though that Peter might not have been the object of that abuse meaning there were
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Step Brothers that he had that seemed to receive quite a bit of abuse as well and
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I'm sorry as where Peter was not abused by this man who was his actual father and we have these statements by him as
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well as his family members but the relationship between him and his father was weird and so was that of him and his
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mother the mother left his father because of the abuse to the children to her other
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three sons and she took her three sons and protected them and they went to live with her she left Peter with with his
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father where Peter's father Carl encouraged Peter's fascination with rockets submarines and balloons even building
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him a workshop at their home Peter began experimenting with explosives when he was just six years
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old and by the time he was 15 Peter was devoted exclusively to his projects foregoing his studies and social life
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this is when he started his own company Danish Space Academy to which he took to
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stating studying engineering now he studied engineering but he quit once he determined that he already knew
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enough to build submarines and Rockets and we would see this type of behavior from Peter throughout his earlier years
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where he would go into like these apprenticeships for welding Refrigeration engineering things that he
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would need to know and learn to further his creation of submarines and Rockets well in every situation he would
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determine at some point that he knew more than the mentor that he was learning for him I love these guys
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they're smarter than everybody the smartest guy in the room all the time well eventually in 2004 Peter and a
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former NASA contractor founded Copenhagen sub-orbitals so this was set up so that they could
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build submarines and they started this off in a rusty Hangar Peter actually moved into the hangar where he lived and
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worked on these projects full time sub-orbitals built its first submarine uh the Freya which was a minor success
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but then they went on to build this uc3 not Nautilus that we had discussed so many times right submarine the privately
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funded this is basically a a DIY summary so we see this company that he founded have great success in 2004 this
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is what makes him that local minor celebrity that we talked about but in 2011 Copenhagen sub-orbitals they launched
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the heat 1X rocket now this made Peter a much bigger celebrity Peter became known
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as Denmark in Denmark as Rocket Madsen by all accounts the attention and praise made Madsen even more strange so look
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the basics of this is Captain this dude he was already a little weird but this dude quickly became more strange and
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more weird and not in a good way right so when he had his first success back in 2004 this is when he also became heavily
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involved in group sex BDSM and swinger events and he also described himself at that time as a
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sadist and auto-erotically active whatever that means but in 2014 I'm sorry 2011 with this new success and as
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stated he's becoming even more strange he's starting to get into arguments and not getting along with any of his
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colleagues or business partners the success went to his head he's an egomaniac okay and he starts alienating
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himself from his colleagues and he accused his business partner of prioritizing his family over their work
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projects so in 2014 when he had a falling out with the suborbitals partners they booted him out of the
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company so in retaliation he started his own competing company rocket Madsen space
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lab in a hangar across the paved lot from Copenhagen suborbitals right so in August of 2017 Peter was they're
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competing all right both of them are trying to launch a space rocket at about the same time but Peter's married at
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this point right yes he he had an open marriage and I don't know that he spent a whole
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lot of time with his wife right so we have just open to not sleeping with him well we have both of these
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companies competing to be the first to send their rocket into space okay and in 2017 and August leading up to the murder
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of Ken Wall Peter starts experiencing some setbacks with his projects so the launch of his new rocket the alpha was
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planned for August 26th this was supposed to mean a significant victory for Peter over his Rivals suborbitals
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but cash flow problems and other problems stopped the launch suborbitals was also testing a rocket at that same
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week so a huge emotional setback extremely upsetting for Peter and egomaniac and his company appeared to
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his old company anyway appeared to be getting the better of him yeah and he's right there to see it well after this
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cancellation many people would describe Peter's Behavior as manic and then we have a situation that on
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August 10th the same day that Kim wall gets on the submarine with him earlier that day he's doing an interview with a
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woman named Emma Sullivan who is interviewing him for a documentary she described him as having a quote strange
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energy and during the interview Peter stated that he might be psychopathic what I'm getting at with all of this
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Captain is we see this individual and we've seen this from other individuals that would go on to commit serial murder
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we see a guy that obviously has fantasies that involve violence and sex at the same time very violent sexual
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acts and this is a these are fantasies that we can trace back as early as 2004. per what is found on his computer and
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phone right but let's come on let's just assume that he was having some of these
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before he started looking stuff up on that computer and phone well probably something drove him to that but I I
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don't need to assume anything because we know at the very least 2004 and then we
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have 13 years of this continued behavior of these fantasies building and building
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inside of this guy as well as something else that's occurring during this time his world
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that he spent so much time to create it's kind of falling apart and he is obviously unraveling people see this it
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starts with him losing the company that he co-founded with another individual right and then it starts then it
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continues with the failure of his new company the only way his new company was going to be successful in his mind was
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if it defeated his old company right and when that came into into the vision of I'm not going to beat
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these guys there are things that I can't get over this is the trigger this is the trigger
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that they often talk about when we have people that have violent sexual fantasies
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that there's something that will trigger them it could be a divorce it could be a
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loss of a loved one or a Breaking Point a breaking point exactly and this I think was his breaking point and what we
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see here is that at some point in August he starts inviting women that he had met
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kind of randomly you know per chance people that wanted to interview him people that he met
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while he was out walking around or out in public that he barely knew these people he's inviting these women by
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themselves on the submarine with him by himself and I think what we see here is where Ted Bundy had his Volkswagen VW
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Bug and we talked about that being as much of a murder weapon as any of the other weapons that he used to kill these
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women this is the making to me of a serial killer this is Peter Madsen who has already decided that his life is worth a
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lot more than yours and mine and everybody else is out there yes because he's smarter than everybody his sexual
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fantasies are that important that they mean more to him than you me and everybody else out there and if he can
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get you on his submarine and get you alone and unfortunately Kim wall was a very smart driven person
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she was on that submarine because of her work because of her passion and it's a it's a situation of
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unfortunately she was in the wrong place at the wrong time well what sucks too is
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that she talked to him before She interviewed him before earlier that day and and thought he was acting strange
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yeah straight up says he's weird pretty much to her boyfriend and unfortunately this guy this this monster in the making
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was casting a net time and time again and hoping to catch something and he got her alone on that submarine and I tell
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you what If he if he could have gone away with this there's no doubt no doubt in my
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mind 100 he would have attempted to do the same thing time and time again until he was caught well and because of the
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stress because these different breaking points I also and also you know people that are saying that he's possibly manic
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or some level of manic that's probably what got him caught and so we should be thankful for that
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because you know to create these things and go on these Endeavors you have to be somewhat intelligent and so I think
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if he was if Peter was in his right mind and maybe not manic and he knew he could
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actually plan it out better this is an individual especially with the tools of having Rockets having
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submarines that this individual could probably get away with multiple murders before getting caught and I believe
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because of his the stress level and His Manic states that that's probably what led him to getting caught and thank God
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he wasn't good at murder because like you like you said and like I said he would have continued to do this now
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there are a lot of people law enforcement included that after he was put away that they started looking at
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Old cases to say hey was this just one that he really screwed up and we caught him for right has he been doing this
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before and they couldn't find much of a connection there was one that did uh that they thought could possibly be
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connected but it would have been from when he was about 15 or 16 years old my Just Thoughts my general thoughts here
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of what I can see on the surface is he didn't do a very good job um with this one and I don't think I
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don't think he had the ability like you said and that's what got him caught he didn't have the ability to to
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cover this up and thank God for that right but his mental health could have been more intact when he was 15 maybe
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wasn't having any signs of manic episodes and and could he possibly do something where he could get away with
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it for that long I would say possible well my hopes are that when they give him his first review after 12 years and
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then again every time he gets a review after that please keep in mind that it had he gotten away with this he would
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have continued to do this and therefore that makes him that fall into that quote
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safe custody category where he is a danger to society and he needs to be kept from society well and if he is
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having manic episodes those don't always go away they can go away so but if he keeps showing signs of that and talking
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about himself in third person um you know talking about about situations where he was there but as if
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he's not there I think those are going to be deterrents on letting him out foreign
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