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double homicides all attributed to the monster of Florence the first one taking place in
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1974 the next in 1981 and then they lock up a man named Enzo spetti and then just a few months
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later we have a crime that takes place again while he is locked up now this leads us to another crime
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another murder double homicide by the monster of Florence this takes place just 8 months later in June of
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1982 again this is a Saturday night and again there is no moon so this is June 19th 1982 just about 25 kilomet from
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Florence now the thing here Captain is this is one of the crimes where I find the most questions about okay this this
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is there is a lot of confusion about this particular crime first off I want to throw this out there uh according to
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Wikipedia The the female victim uh her name is Antonella now this was reported on there that she was not mutilated in
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the way that the other female victims were in the previous crimes uh this is possible but I believe this to be wrong
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and we will get into this in a bit okay um next one thing when the investigators
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try to to piece together when they tried to reconstruct the crime scene and the crime as they think that it went down
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well they ran into a lot of trouble and this is basically because of a car accident and I'll take you through this
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here so around 11:15 p.m. that night um there are several people in the area that they notice a vehicle and the
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vehicle is down in a ditch and it's down in a ditch in the way that the rear wheels are in the ditch and the front
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wheels in the headlights are pointing up you know towards the towards the uh Road
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or the sky right okay so when these eyewitnesses happen upon the vehicle they find inside that there is a male
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who is alive he's like kind of he's struggling to stay alive and quickly becomes unconscious well his name is Pa
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and he's quickly taken to the hospital and he will die just days later at the hospital the female victim there's some
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additional confusion as far as the findings of of these people because we have witnesses we have ambulance drivers
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some of them stating that Apollo was in the front seat in the driver's seat like
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we've seen in many of these crimes before right there's also people that say he was in fact in the back seat of
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the vehicle now the female victim she was found in the back seat and again I think some of this stuff you know is
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just arguing points for no reason because what they did find as far as evidence was we got the gun shells the
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the gun casings mhm and they're the same they match the same as the previous three murders yeah same gun used in this
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crime uh the thing here is though they do want to try to recreate this reconstruction of the crime scene uh so
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maybe they can get some information about the perpetrator of this crime now the strange thing here though Captain
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the the killer you know because of the same gun being used now believed to be the monster of Florence uh he he takes
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the car key with him so the the ambulance and the First Responders to this vehicle they immediately have a lot
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of difficulty and I wonder if some of that difficulty led to varying accounts of what they were seeing when they
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arrived on the scene because they're trying to save these people you know Paulo is in the car and he's clinging to
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life they got minutes to try to save this guy and the problem here is because the vehicle has been
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wrecked the the driver side door is is like smashed in crunched in it's jammed you cannot get it open well what
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happened was the killer must have uh reached into the vehicle or possibly been in the vehicle himself to remove
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the the car car I'm sorry the key from the ignition right and when he did that he locked the door the passenger side
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door either before or after closing it but the the door was locked when they arrived so now we have First Responders
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there trying to get to these victims to see if they can save them to see if there's any signs of life left and yet
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they're losing valuable minutes because they're unable to open either door to the vehicle right and one of the first
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questions that the investigators are going to ask themselves is did the did the monster attack these victims and
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then did he move the vehicle yeah and the thought being there Captain is that unlike the other crime scenes this was
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not like a well secluded area this was this was a road that was frequented as we said there are two couples two
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separate couples that find this vehicle and see it in the manner that it's found
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so it's it's in a situation it's in an area where it's likely to be stumbled on or during the course of a murder uh you
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know people could come upon this so the question was did the monster move the vehicle why would he move the vehicle
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did he attack them first we know what his ritual is we know that he always does this to the woman to the female
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victim before leaving the crime scene did he need to move the vehicle thus moving the victims away to a more
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private area and try to do this or and you know in in in the and losing control of the vehicle and
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ending up at the in the ditch instead or did the couple try to flee him during the attack itself and because they're
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either injured or afraid or terrified that they end up in the ditch and then the monster completes the job right yeah
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he he completes the killings but he doesn't actually like like we said before it seems like this uh individual
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is trying to create a perfect murder and then also create the aftermath of the murder scene mhm and and so in this case
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I I would lean towards the idea that they were going to try to get away you know meaning also um or basing my
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thoughts off of the fact that the driver was still alive yeah and the strange thing here Captain like I said you know
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there's some question Wikipedia says that Antonella was not mutilated like the previous female victims were I
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disagree with that um the only knowledge I can offer there dare you yeah who would you're not Wikipedia don't you go
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against Wikipedia the thing here is I want to throw this out Gospel of course I don't know for certain I didn't
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investigate the case I don't have any of access to the Case Files well then how do you know so much about it so here's
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what I'm going off of so I read two books in preparation for this case both were co-authored by by well-known
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authors both books stated that she was mutilated in the same fashion that the other women were uh and according to the
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FBI's website the FBI did a profile regarding the monster of Florence and they talk a lot about that specific
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mutilation on there the thing here is according to their crimes when they go through the crimes they don't go through
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them specifically you know this happened sentence for sentence um but what they do state is that they don't say that the
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mutilation did not occur here where they do point to that at other occasions so I'm assuming if they say that it if they
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don't go out of their way to say it didn't occur then they're under the belief that it did occur all right so
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what else happened with this investigation well the thing here is the other thing we got to ask ourselves
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Captain is uh regarding the mutilation itself she was found in the back seat rather than outside of the vehicle like
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we've seen in other crimes I don't know that this points to did the monster Drive the vehicle or did they try to
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flee I I think I think any you know either either scenario seems very likely to me
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the interesting thing though is that he took the time one for the mutilation to occur to to to remove the key and then
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lock the car door before fleeing again we see a guy we see a perpetrator that even though in an area that's quite a
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bit busier than other locations that he's killed in before he does not seem to be in a hurry you know it's like you
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had said in the last episode he seems he seems to be set out to accomplish whatever Mission he has created for
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himself and he's determined to leave a crime scene in the form that he chooses right but you see this a lot with Bundy
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gayy um dmer where they kind of get careless with with some of their actions you know so we're talking about the
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possibly you possibly the fourth uh attack and maybe he's just getting careless becoming uh a bit frenzied in
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the in the Act of Killing mhm um now a strange thing here Captain 12 Days Later 12 days after the crime an anonymous
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letter arrived at police headquarters in Florence inside the envelope we have a yellowed newspaper clipping this is from
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the same newspaper that has been reporting about the monster for years now uh this is an article about a
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forgotten double homicide double murder from 1968 of a man and a woman who had been
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having sex in a parked car and remember the first the first attack of the monster of Florence quote unquote right
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mhm would have been 74 yes so this would have been six years before that yeah and
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someone wrote on the newspaper clipping take another look at this crime now I believe and I've heard rumor that there
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was other communication uh to the police regarding this particular crime I don't know the
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details of such um but regardless somebody sent this newspaper article with this old crime from 68 well what's
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Your Gut Feeling do you think this is coming from the monster himself or do you think this is coming from you know
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armchair detective um well I'll tell you what can I let me go through this quick
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thing real fast and then we'll dive into that because this is give you a little insight into what we're looking at so
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the investigators they go through their old evidence files regarding that case and I guess that you know with some of
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these cases if for some reason they they would remove evidence or dispose of evidence after some time so it's it's
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noted it's noted that for some reason they believe some kind of oversight that the shells the bullet shells collected
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in 1968 had not been disposed of and when they looked at these and they reviewed them they discovered that they
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were in fact Winchester series H rounds and each one of them bore on the rim the
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unique signature of the monster of Florence's gun okay so there is another Link in the chain another murder now
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this is going to sound strange right but I've heard several hardened investigators and you have to be a
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hardened investigator and at your very end to start thinking this way but when you have a lot of murders and they start
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piling up and you know there you know know they're connected but you cannot locate your guy you cannot figure out
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who is doing these murders they some of these investigators there there creates an internal struggle within them which
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it it just it just happens and they say that at some point and this bothers them
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very much to say this that they feel like they're they're starting to wait to receive word of the next murder because
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the next murder it it could land you the clue that you needed within that case could be be the little clue or little
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piece of evidence that you need so that you can catch this guy so now these investigators did they get lucky you
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know they have another murder here and maybe they got lucky because you get another crime scene more clues more
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leads and no one else really has to die because right but we have a right because the victims are already dead at
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that point right but we have a problem with this case from 1968 we have somebody that's arrested for this yes
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and and they're in jail yeah yes so that creates a big problem well let's go through this crime real fast okay this
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took place August 21st 1968 in a small town just west of Florence at about 2: a.m. in the morning there's an
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unexpected knock at the front door of a small home the homeowners refuse to answer the door at such an hour without
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an explanation then they hear a small and meek voice say please open the door and let me in I am sleepy they open the
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door and much to their surprise and shock they see a little boy about 6 years of age standing alone and Afraid
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the boy nearly shaking says I'm sleepy and my daddy is sick in bed can you drive me home because my mommy and uncle
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are dead in the car sure enough they find his mother they she's found dead shot to death in a car apparently while
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in the private romantic moment with some man mhm not the woman's husband not the
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not the boy's father or even an uncle like the boy had stated but uh a lover uh the wife and mother of that had taken
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on at some point yeah but maybe the maybe the mother said to the kid hey this is your uncle yeah well and Captain
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this you know this as you said this is solved somebody's sitting in jail this seems like an open and shut case you
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have a married woman went to the movies with her lover and afterwards they parked to have sex they were ambushed in
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the mid the act and shot to death the woman's husband this isano Mele he is from Sardinia uh he's picked up the
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following morning they did one of those uh paraffin test uh and the results indicated that Stefano had recently
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fired a gun okay so he's looking very guilty at this point he claimed he was innocent and he he claimed that his wife
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had many lovers outside of their marriage and that one of those men uh that she was having an affair with must
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have killed her um apparently they had a pretty open and unique relationship okay
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um so Stefano seemed to be all accounts he was probably bisexual it sounds like there was some threesoms
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going on where um where his wife would be the only female participant um the devil's threesome so we have Stefano and
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people around Stefano that are saying you know this isn't a jealous husband going out and killing his wife and and
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the person she's having an affair with because this is a guy that didn't mind this type
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of so regardless they pick him up they they have interrogated him eventually he does break down during the the
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interrogation and he confesses to killing his wife and killing her lover in a fit of jealousy um but the problem
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like the captain States is we have all these other crimes going on and melee is he's in he's in prison at the time of
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the 1981 killings right and after that I don't know how this works it seems like
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sometimes when we cover these cases in other countries that maybe our prison sentences might be a little lengthier
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maybe things have changed throughout the years but he was he killed his wife in in lover or confessed to doing so and
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he's he's only in prison until 1981 uh he was technically out when the other crimes were committed by the
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monster but he was living in a halfway house um so so well but investigators are saying that it it would be extremely
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unlikely that he would have been able to commit any of those murders after 1968 so we have though we have the the
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matching gun and like you said we have a problem because old Stefano was accounted for during the later murders
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now if he confessed to these crimes in ' 68 where's the gun you know investigators should be going Hey
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where's that gun that you used yeah and apparently I I would like to know if this was questioned to him and if his
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answer stayed the same you know was this questioned to him at the time that that
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his wife was killed and if it was questioned to him again during the investigation regarding the monster what
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happened to the gun Stefano well you can't handle the gun well he said I want the gun you can't handle the gun
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he says and I'm believing this is from the original investigation that he says that he threw it you know in the woods
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or threw it in the bushes somewhere after fleeing the crime scene MH makes makes sense I guess uh regardless the
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gun was never found however the casings are matching um back to your question do
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we think it was some kind of tip from an anonymous innocent person or do we think
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that this is some kind of uh the killer taunting the police in in a way yeah um what's your gut feeling well here here's
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my question I I actually don't think that it was the killer taunting the police I think it was the Killer maybe
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covering some tracks and and I'm to get into this I'm going to have to explain one thing remember when we said that the
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driver the driver when the vehicle was found in the ditch the male driver he is found alive and then taken to the
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hospital he never regains Consciousness that entire time he dies at the hospital
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but one thing that the prosecutor and the investigator did this was this was quite
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interesting they claim that that that Apollo that guy that he gave them information good information that would
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help them identify the monster of Florence all right nobody would know this except for people extremely close
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to the case while the ambulance driver at some point receives a strange phone call now he receives a call from a man
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now is he also peeping Tom no no no this is not not that I'm aware of I know but
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remember the last guy that was an ambulance it's it's a hobby of all the ambulance this is just what we do it's
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part of the Union oh it's how you you know break up the stress of of the everyday ambulance that's how we do it
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anyway this caller contacted the driver of the ambulance that took the man to the hospital and he says that the man
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says I didn't recognize the voice but he says that the caller identified himself
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as an investigator and he wanted to find out what the ambulance driver may have overheard from the victim as he was
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driving him to the hospital he also wanted to know what the ambulance driver might know in regards to the case and
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the investigation um the ambulance driver says I'm not going to tell this to you
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or anybody else over the phone I don't know who you are you know if you present yourself in person maybe we can have a
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legitimate conversation the caller hangs up and shortly afterwards calls back and then
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he identifies himself as the monster of Florence okay and during this call he tells so he was trying to be sneaky
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before yeah yeah and he calls back this time and it's it's not a nice phone call
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the second time he threatens the driver and explains to the driver that he's not
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to tell anybody about this phone call or you know the monster going to come after
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him yeah right that those are my favorite threats you know don't do this or else so with the with the clipping
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with the newspaper clipping and let's there's a few things that are interesting here about it's kind of
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zodiac it's very zodiac and on top of that you know it it was addressed the envelope itself was addressed in a way
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like you would see like a like a ransom letter right where somebody cuts out letters from newspaper and magazines
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that was a that was a thing in the late '70s and early 80s wish they would do that more often and so they piec
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together this and address the envelope as such the whoever sent the envelope M uh they took the time to make sure that
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there were no fingerprints on this envelope they also did not use their tongue to seal the
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envelope um so somebody took a lot of precautions there and the thing is it's received just 12 days after this this
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murder it almost seems to me like and like I said for some reason the the police maybe because it's a solved crime
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they're supposed to dispose of the evidence after certain amount of time that doesn't make any sense to me um but
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but what I'm wondering here Captain is is it possible that the monster or the monsters
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would have had the ability to plant those bullets in that evidence in that case File from
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1968 and send this clipping to the police trying to cover their tracks thinking thinking that maybe the monster
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was identified by this this man that remained alive uh in the hospital for a few days after the
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attack so this murder took place in 68 the original murder was 1968 yes right and there was no
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mutilation of the the female correct so one could say well then you know he didn't have a fixation or he didn't have
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a clear-cut picture of what he he was trying to create you know the murder scene like we said I think this person
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was trying to create a certain image in his head recreate that so maybe he didn't have that thing in his head or
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did they place the shells in the evidence Locker later like you said it was a mistake that they had them mhm so
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but maybe it wasn't a mistake maybe they did get rid of all the evidence and then
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all of a sudden they reappeared mhm that would be pretty hard I think to do to get into the you'd have to get into the
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evidence locker and and be able to infiltrate that that would be hard right it seems to me like it would take a a
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certain person that would be at a certain level you know it working in a certain capacity uh that would have the
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ability to do such or be involved with other person that are able to to get access to that file or that evidence
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Locker well and what are your thoughts on this cuz this is kind of a crazy thought that kind of keeps popping up in
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my head but it's like you know we've seen this with Bundy I I don't know I know we've seen this with Bundy I mean
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Bundy was known to be a peeping Tom MH so is it possible that we have this peeping
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Tom and in 1968 is peeping Tom Witnesses a murder yeah and then that person finds
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the gun that supposedly was in the bush and may not have had much trouble finding the gun if he watched the
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murders go down and watched the the killer maybe it is Stefano that killed him and he watches him toss the gun
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somewhere and he decides oh I'm going to go over there and retrieve that murder weapon right that would be pretty crazy
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but you know again a a possibility it you're right Captain you know when you say something like that like you think
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about that and you're like this is a possibility then you say it out loud and you're like sounds crazy it's almost
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laughable it's so crazy it's almost laughable at the same time it's it's it's crazy that you have a man in prison
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for a murder using the same weapon that that there's somebody out committing murders using that same weapon for years
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and years afterwards right but a different type of killing though and we don't have the we don't have the
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mutilation we don't have the stabbing or possibility that somebody sent them this
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newspaper article to cover their tracks and then found a way to plant evidence at an old solved crime from 1968 that
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that yeah but again we have the confession so just hear me out I know it sounds crazy that a Peeping Tom would be
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there and found the gun or somebody else found the gun and then the gun was you know traded in and and it was in the
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black market and this guy got the gun somehow M right it's possible but what I'm saying is the killings aren't the
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same uh we have a guy that confess to it you know so isn't it possible that this
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guy uh isn't it possible that this guy just got the gun somehow and then if he got this gun somehow that maybe it
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wasn't the murderer it was just maybe some armchair detective that had this Theory and yes certain things lined up
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but it doesn't completely line up ultimately it just brings up more questions than answers but we'll get
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today Cheers Cheers mates cheers regard regarding the crime that took place in 1968 the double homicide Stefano melee
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was convicted for killing his wife and her lover again they never found the gun right well remember our guy the reporter
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Mario spezi well he figures out a way to interview Stefano so when this information came about Stefano is out of
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prison at this point you know we said he's living in a halfway house from time to time the thing here is everybody
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from time to time well isn't that why it's called halfway house half the time I'm there half the
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time I'm somewhere else well I guess at this time everybody wanted to interview Stefano because the monster is one of
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the biggest news stories in the whole city mhm well yeah that whole country yeah so everybody wants to speak with
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the Stefano guy and get his information about what he knows about the crime he was convicted of does he know anything
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about the monster that that's out there running a muck in the current day well we have spey he has to figure out a way
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to interview this guy because nobody uh melee will not let anybody near him the halfway house will not let anybody come
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to interview this guy they don't want anything to do with it he figures out a way to to get to Stefano and he ask him
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specifically about the murders and about the gun and the answers he gets from Stefano are as follows Stefano says they
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need to figure out where that pistol is otherwise there will be more murders they will continue to kill they will
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continue so they yes the key word is they and so now armed with this information spey plus the police now
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believe that Stefano melee was not alone the night in 1968 when his wife and lover were killed mhm it had not not
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been a spontaneous Crime of Passion but rather a what they call a clan killing so Stefano and a group of people killed
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his wife and her lover under this Theory so his confession wasn't a false confession correct it was not a false
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confession but he but he left out some details though mhm and investigators theorized that one of the killers or
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somebody present that night had enjoyed the experience Eren so much that he had gone on to become the monster of
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Florence using the same gun that had committed the crimes in 1968 a new in new investigation is
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underway and what now the police were calling the Sardinian connection they they focused in and zeroed in on three
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Sardinian Brothers now remember we said that Stefano was from Sardinia and they probably looked at people close to him
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during this time so these are three Sardinian Brothers Franchesco salvator and Giovani Vinci they believed it is
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believed that all three of them had at one point been lovers or very close to the murdered woman from
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1968 and one or more of them would have been present at the time of her killing mhm due to their investigation the
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police end up arresting Franchesco but on September 9th this is 1983 we have Franchesco finy still in
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jail the monster was most certainly on the loose a German couple had parked their Volkswagen Camper for the night
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both were spied upon and then shot several times and killed but the monster had apparently made a mistake that night
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because this situation was quite different than the other crimes because both of the victims were were men yeah
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so after the monster would shoot these victims he'd go into their trailer and he's going to be snooping around yeah
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all the shots were fired from outside of the camper if the monster were to follow
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his normal Mo he would go into the camper to you know pull the female victim from the vehicle however in this
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situation um if he was following his typical Mo he would have went inside and discovered that this was not a
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heterosexual couple this is a homosexual couple and this is in fact two men well
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at some point he the monster takes a pornographic magazine that he finds inside the camper he tears Pages out of
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it and scatters them on the ground outside of the camper okay um it's not believed that he he mutilated either of
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these victims in any way he just simply shot them discovered that he made a mistake we're assuming and then left the
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crime there has been a lot of speculation though Captain if if this was intentional you know or did he just
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mistake uh what he saw to be a female and male victim mhm um the situation is this though remember we have Francisco
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Vinci he's he's locked up he's believed to be involved in these crimes the monster of Florence crimes now the
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authorities refused to release Franchesco even though he was not around for this crime that took place on
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September 9th 1983 they believed that one of his relatives had tried to throw them off by committing a new murder
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using the same gun or at the very least that Francisco knew who the monster was right so just be clear for everybody to
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be clear that we have evidence at the scene that these two homosexual victims were shot with the same gun mhm they
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were shot with the monster gun and remember we we have all three viny brothers were being they were considered
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suspects at the time that they arrested the one brother so I think the thought here is that one of the other brothers
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or both of the other brothers went went out and committed this crime therefore the authorities believing that
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Franchesco still could be the monster it just means that there's more than one monster right and Franchesco probably
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knows who the other monster would be or the monsters would be right sorry there's no clear way of putting that uh
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investig I'm sure there is but uh but I did not achieve that um investigators became suspicious of another member of
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what they are calling the Sardinian clan um this is Antonio Vinci uh and they ended up arresting him on Firearms
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charges uh they grilled the two men relentlessly but they were unable to break them and finally they were forced
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to release Antonio but Franchesco remained in custody about 4 months later the police baffled the public when they
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finally released Franchesco but they only did this after arresting two more men with connections to the Sardinian
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group right and announcing now to the public for the first time that there are two Monsters the authorities believe
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that both of these men would have been present at the 1968 remember they're calling this the clan killing uh they
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were arrested they were charged with being the monster of Florence now all win so they're charging them not with
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just the 68 crime but all of them correct they're looking at this as a whole you're being arrested for this but
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now we're going to try to put together some kind of case so all winter long the police work on these two men they are
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desperately trying to extract confessions and develop their case but they do they do not have any success
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with this Captain summer arrives and even though the police have these two suspects in custody the monster will
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strike again this time the victims would be 21-year-old claudo and his girlfriend
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piaia only 18 years old at the time they were both shot to death and stabbed in Claudio's car again the monster left the
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empty shell casings matching the bullets from the other crimes and again the monster M mutilated the woman but adding
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a new [ __ ] he cut off and took with him her left breast a special Strike Force
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team was formed Med they called themselves the anti-monster squad now see Captain that should be the new
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t-shirt you have the True Crime garage anti- Monster Squad I guess it'd be a picture of me and you with like this
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whole Army of people behind us fighting monsters all over the world mhm this this is to we have a problem here
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because um in Italy all right you have two different types of police forces and you could kind of think of this in a way
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of of like we have here in the United States you have our your regular police force your local police and then you
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have your FBI okay so in Italy you have the Citizen Police and you have the carbonair well that's similar to um you
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know like a military police okay so th this is two separate police forces that investigate crime and they they do this
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independently of one another what this anti-monster squad is going to be comprised of
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is members of both organizations working together in their free time to try to put together a case against this monster
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and end the killing now the government ends up offering a huge reward which turns out roughly to be about
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$290,000 once you convert it to us do for information leading to the capture of the monster this is the highest
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bounty in in Italy history warning posters are put up everywhere and on top of that this this is wild a
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millions of warning postcards are distributed to tourist entering Florence this is advising them not to go to the
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hills at night can you imagine going to another country to visit especially a country as beautiful as Italy and when
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you arrive you're handed a postcard telling you not to go into the hills at night because there is a monster on the
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loose that is gunning people down well hold on need to cancel my airplane tickets cuz that's the only reason why
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I'm going there to go park in the hills in the summer of 1985 the Monster resurfaced again and what would be the
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most terrible killing of all the victims were two young tourists who had pitched
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a tent in a field on the edge of a wooded area according to the Reconstruction of the crime the killer
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approached the tent and with the tip of a knife made a 12-in cut in to the side of the tent the campers hearing the
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noise unzipped the front flap to investigate what was going on outside of the tent apparently the killer was there
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waiting for them and opened fire on both of these people he ends up hitting the female victim in the face now the man is
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only hit in the arm or the wrist so he is able to flee the tent area well the woman died instantly but the man read
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ran and fled toward the woods the monster followed after him he eventually catches the man and slits the man's
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throat almost decapitating him the young man's Blood Stained the tree branches well above his head uh maybe 10 12 feet
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in the air still a little bit of a different scenario the other killings the killer returned to his female victim
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to perform the usual ritual mutilation and like the last crime he cut off her left left breast the bodies were not
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discovered until Monday at 2: p.m. now the police could not determine if the campers were killed on Saturday or on
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Sunday and this is always obviously important to any investigation of course but this is also could could either play
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or not play into one of the biggest theories surrounding the monster you know we have the thought that we have
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victims that are attacked on Saturday nights on moonless Saturday nights and we have these victims where we can't
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determine if they were killed Saturday night or Sunday night so one of the big theories in this case has always been
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that there's there's an occult you know there's these are some kind of ult killings right uh that this could be
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performed by devil worshippers or some kind of organization well if they broke that and they ended up killing on Sunday
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maybe that goes against that theory yeah but I I think there's some weight to this whole whole you know ritualistic
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killing uh because of the mutilation to the female um you know kind of staging a
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scene every time I I think that that's not a bad angle for investigators to look into well it on the day of the
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discovery of the bodies um and this took place just before the bodies were discovered um the prosecutor in the case
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received an envelope through the mail this is another communication that we see here Captain envelope yeah envelope
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had been addressed to using letters cut out from magazines and newspapers inside
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the envelope we have uh the prosecutor found the victim's left nipple there were no fingerprints on the envelope
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itself and again the sender did not use his tongue to seal the envelope the prosecutor soon quit the monster case
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and not only that she quit her career in law enforcement altogether as she was so
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terrified by this communication now well maybe she took that as a threat so well and with with
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two suspects in jail uh then the two tourists are killed we have we have a judge here that remains convinced that
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one of the Sardinian clan members was the monster and that either one of them or both of the suspects being held were
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one of the monster or knew again who the monster was so the judge is refusing to
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let these people out again it's still possible that there's multiple people but the the other thing I would add
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though too is that you have a crime taking place in 68 and if the if if the monster was multiple people right M the
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next crime is not taken place till 74 so you would think that once the arrest was
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made once this person was going to be sentenced to this charge that one of the other uh people involved would be making
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a crime happen pretty quickly have have another murder happen pretty quickly that way it gets the public going hey
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it's not the guy so it's kind of weird that there's a gap from 68 to 74 and then from 7 4 to 81 right right and and
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you're right though you might have tapped into something because after we see one of the guys picked up that Enzo
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spalletti there seems to be an increase in the frequency of the crimes of the monster mhm um now the judge the judge
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that was focusing on the Vinci brothers and remember we mentioned one of those brothers names this is salvator uh the
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judge is now believing that salvator was present for the Stefano melee uh with Stefano melee at the murder of his wife
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and lover back in ' 68 in fact salvatori was suspected of having killed his own wife before leaving Sardinia his wife
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had been found exfix by gas in their home back in 1961 MH the death had officially been
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determined a suicide but here's the strange part someone had taken the time to go into the home someone had rescued
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the couple's one-year-old son this is Antonio Vinci from the house while leaving the boy's mother to Die the
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judge could not bring salvator to trial for being the monster of Florence but yet he's convinced that salvator was the
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monster so now there's not enough evidence to book him on this MH however he thought what they should do let's try
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to prosecute salvator for the old death of his wife back in 1961 instead and then maybe salvator
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would confess to the crimes of the monster well this ends up backfiring because the trial ends up being a
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disaster by this time you know we're we're almost 30 years removed from the death of his wife in ' 61 the trial is a
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disaster the witnesses didn't seem to know much about the death of his wife or at least remember any details of
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anything that happened that day right and the evidence in that case well it was extremely weak to say it politely um
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everything pretty much in pretty much hinged on the testimony of his son Antonio Vinci which is a which was one
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years old at the time he would have been one years old at the time at the death of his mother um and Antonio refused to
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testify against father so nothing stuck and the D the judge here struck out and was unable to prosecute salvator but the
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story is not over and this case has not completely gone cold because they have a
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new investigator yeah a new lead investigator is applied to the case uh he decides to go back to the drawing
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board because right now this thing is very muddled and he decides that he's going to review what little forensic
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evidence has been collected throughout all of these Crimes of the monster yeah you'd think there would be some sort of
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DNA mhm well the things that they have in inevidence Captain is they have a knee print a knee print was found on the
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on the door of one of the vehicles they found a bloody rag at one of the crime scenes and they also found a partial
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fingerprint now you also have to keep in mind uh you don't know if that partial fingerprint belongs to the killer or
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just somebody that happened to be in or around the vehicle correct now this investigator will outrightly state that
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he learned very quickly that none of this none of this evidence was analyzed properly nor was it stored properly so
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at some point surprise surprise at some point you you lose value and you're unable to get anything of value from
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this evidence so he decides that he's going to go to the computers right he's going yeah he's he's going to go and
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study some computers believing using a method that more new age investigators uh would might Point him
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toward the man that they call the monster of thousands of men in the area he was looking at several items uh
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regarding convictions for sex crimes crimes of violence uh people with their prison sentences when were they in
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prison when they were not uh this led the investigator to a suspect a Tuscan farmer named Petro pachan
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now he's described as a short very strong man who was particularly drunk all of the time uh and he had a violent
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history sounds like the G except for you're not short yeah but uh he so I am when when I'm drinking too
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much I get really short well one thing that's very different from you is that this guy has a extremely violent history
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to say the least you don't know me because in 1951 when he discovered when pachani
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discovered that a traveling salesman was having sex with his fiance and I believe
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this took place in either her home or their home but somehow he discovered this he attacked the couple he bashed in
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the man's skull and then he raped the woman next to the Man's dead body afterward he was arrested uh he was
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imprisoned he was sentenced it was an easy conviction uh for this crime Jesus yeah
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uh after he was released from prison he married uh he was later convicted of sexually assaulting his daughters uh his
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prison Jesus Christ man every story every week we cover a story and they all have girlfriends or wives you mean you
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mean these people that have horrible past and do horrible horri horrible individuals it's um I haven't been on a
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date in months man you you're using the wrong dating website I guess um uh iov scumbag.com you can find I'll go to that
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one there you go but uh he his prison sentences coincide with the Gap in the killings okay so this new investigator I
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mean he's like wow this dude he's he's he's committed crimes against a couple he has sex crimes he has violent crimes
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and his prison sentences coincide with the gaps in the killings so when the monster was dormant this dude was in
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prison when the monster was active in killing people pachani this dude was out and free okay so did they investigate
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this guy's property or yes they they conducted a 12-day search of patani's property that's a long search it's a lot
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of days on the job they found an unfired 22 caliber bullet in his garden now experts say that it might let's put that
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in found found it in his garden that's not suspicious well they said that the experts said that they might this bullet
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might have been inserted into the famous Beretta that they've been looking for and ejected without being fired the
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ballistics report was inconclusive not long after the carbiner received a piece of a 22 Beretta wrapped
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in a torn rag this was it was accompanied with an anonymous note saying that it had been found in a place
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where pachani often went all right right so you know seems like a lot of fishy evidence well what they did Captain was
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when they received this Beretta wrapped in the torn rag then they went back to patani's property and they searched the
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property again they removed you know any Rags any towels that they could find on
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the property they found some rags and that they found in his garage and they compared it to the rag that sent the
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Beretta right well that it matched up so so we think it's coming from his wife coming from his wife or from someone
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that that knew him you know that was close to pachani that had access to his property he's eventually arrested in
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January of 1993 and he is charged with being the monster of Florence all right case Clos we'll see you guys next week
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all right be good be kind don't don't be peeping on people touching each other see you next
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week so what happened well at the trial now keep in mind we're talking about we we described him as a short very strong
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man but this is a bully you know this is this is a bully this is a brute and at the at the trial pachani rocked back and
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forth and he cried very loudly during the proceedings uh he would often yell out strange things during the trial as
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he cried you know things like I'm I'm an innocent little lamb and I'm you know they're they're treating me like Jesus
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Christ on the cross what uh yeah he just random craziness that he would he would
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yell out but the almost the entire trial this guy is rocking in his chair and crying very loudly the prosecutors
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presented no murder weapon during this trial they also presented no reliable eyewitnesses to the crimes and even
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patani's wife and daughters okay picture this we know what he's done to these daughters okay he
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he these women hated allegedly right right well no he was convicted of of assault on his daughters these women
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hated him and I mean probably hated him in every sense of the word they said at trial that he could not have been the
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monster because this guy was always home he was home and he was drunk all of the
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time and he was at home yelling and hitting them um right you know so it's strange to hear so he was a monster just
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not moner he was a monster within the four walls of his home correct these women had a good chance to get rid of
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this guy forever and they didn't do that um somehow despite the lack of evidence
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um outside of the bullet that was found that is still questionable that it was in the infamous Beretta that we've been
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talking about well it's questionable how it got there on his property mhm uh I think sometimes when the case goes on
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for so long and people I think sometimes even with new investigators they get into a case and they're so desperate to
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solve it that they you know their ethics uh kind of Go away You're right and everything in their mind is pointing to
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this guy I know he did it right well this lines up this lines up this yeah but everything has to line up pachani
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was in fact convicted and he was sentenced to life in prison now there is a mandatory appeal proc process and this
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was very strange the prosecutor assigned to handle the appeal case actually decided to refuse to prosecute
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pachani so on February 13th 1996 because they're not going to prosecute him again pachani was
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acquitted for being the monster of Florence so we're back to square one we're back to square one we we see
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murder after murder double homicide after double homicide and then we keep locking up people the murders don't stop
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no matter what and and when we do find somebody that we think we have some evidence right the conviction is
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overturned yeah or if we have them arrested another murder takes place mhm it's a very interesting case on the same
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day that pachan acquitted the police they tried to save their case or maybe at least cover their backs because they
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brought forward new Witnesses and they dramatic i al announced that they they had a confession regarding the case of
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the monster the judge however refused to allow the new witnesses to testify but as we know often with these stories
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somehow this information gets out so what was Learned was that the first surprise witness had actually confessed
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to being patani's accomplice he said that he and pachani had been hired by a wealthy doctor to handle a few jobs
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these were to collect female body parts for black masses to be used as offerings
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to the devil but on top of these strange stories that that doesn't make any sense
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because you don't have to kill you know Lover Lane people you don't have to kill
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the the man and the and the female to get the female parts well this man you know on top of these strange stories
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that the man is telling he often contradicted himself uh when telling these stories he did implicate another
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man um so now according to this guy we have a ring of three of two of these men were convicted of murder one was
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sentenced to life in prison that being pachani and the other two uh 26 years uh in prison now the higher Court sent the
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case back to be retri retried regarding pachani however he died in February of 1998 before the new trial could begin
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this began an investigation into the search for the doctor and for the quote unquote masterminds Behind These
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killings but get this the suspects or you know Witnesses or whatever you want to call them at the acquit for pachani
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said that they didn't know the doctor's name uh he claimed he he told all these wild stories about collecting body parts
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for this doctor but he claimed that only pachani knew the name of the doctor knew
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the identity of the person that hired them but this guy's story just seem so fishy yeah and they presented this story
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to pachani and he denied the entire story all the way until the day that he died right and he was supposed to be
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retried but since of it because of his death they can't retry him yeah and over time thread by thread the web of
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evidence uh against him it fell apart it wasn't great to begin with but the rag and the gun pieces uh that were sent to
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them that was found to have been manufactured and planted evidence um it was never really established who they
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believe planted that evidence or who had sent that that to them um but like you said it it appears to be somebody that
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would have known him had access to his property um the expert who had been asked to clarify or to certify that the
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bullet found in patani's Gard might have been inserted into the monster's gun he
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said at a later date that he was bullied into arriving at that conclusion right um that he was he was pressured by the
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investigators to to help them out with their investigation right and who who do you think planted the other evidence the
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same investigators yeah most likely and then we also have Mario spedy the uh the
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journalist he he videotaped a police officer who was present at the search of patani's property and on this videotape
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the officer is saying that it was his impression that the Chief Inspector in the crime or in the investigation had
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planted the bullet in the garden yeah surprise surprise you know it's a typical situation where an investigator
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gets a theory and they put their blinders on and they try to make everything fit even like I said throw
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your ethics out the window well around the same time we have the FBI uh they release a a thorough a thorough idea a
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profile of the Killer and during this report uh they say that the monster chose the places for his crime that he
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did not choose the victims and that he would kill only in familiar locations the murders had been committed over a
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large area encompassing the Hills Southeast and north of Florence the police tried for years unsuccessfully to
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recognize a pattern but Mario spy mapped the life and movements of the carbon Aries suspect to the locations of the
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killings and he found what he thought to be overlaps now Mario spy's view of this
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case is not complicated the simplest and most obvious explanation was most likely
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the correct one this is what he believed he believed that the monster of Florence
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was a lone psychopath and that the key to finding him was the gun used in the 1968 Clan killing spy says every cop
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knows a gun used in a homicide especially a clan killing is never disposed of casually it is his belief
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that it would be either destroyed or kept in a safe place one of the killers after the double homicide in 1968 had
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taken the gun home right again though you have to buy that that first killing was what they said it was I mean I
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understand that we have a confession you know from from the husband but uh I don't know I I I have a hard time buying
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it well speni agreed with the judge that was involved believing that the monster
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must either be salvatory Vinci or somebody close to salvator uh someone with which would
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make sense yeah someone with access to the gun and the box of bullets it was that simple and the crime scene evidence
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suggested that the monster was tall remember we talked about pachani being a short man there was evidence and they
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gathered that from the angle in which the bullets were fired into the vehicles as well as the knee print that was
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placed on the car door that they had found so they believed the monster was tall they believed him to be a
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right-handed man in excellent physical condition this ruling out pachani obviously who was short fat old and
01:06:24
usually drunk the killer was an expert shot in their opinion and skilled with a knife right okay so do you think it was
01:06:34
a killer or Killers well I'm going to tell you what I'm going to present what Mario spy believes and I'm going to
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present what the carbiner believed at the time remember he was comparing their number one suspect to information he had
01:06:48
about the movements of this suspect and where the killings took place well who was this person who who was their number
01:06:54
one suspect well it was Antonio Vinci remember who he is he's salvator's son he's the one that if salvator killed his
01:07:03
wife he pulled the one-year-old son out of the the home that was being uh you know gassed at the time he's the one
01:07:11
that refused to testify against his father he would have had access to the gun if the vines had access to that gun
01:07:20
so spy tracks down this guy and he he want to interview him regarding the monster of Florence but he's a bit
01:07:28
terrified because now you're very close to the possible Inner Circle of this whole thing right so he actually
01:07:35
introduces himself to Antonio as somebody else however Antonio is a smart dude and he recognizes spy he does agree
01:07:45
to be interviewed by spy uh when asked a risky move spy wanted to record the interview audio record the interview
01:07:53
interview he says no you know he Antonio says no I you can't record me why well I
01:08:00
I don't like my own voice that's something you and I have to deal with a couple times a week um that's lovely so
01:08:06
I'm going to I'll give you the shorten version of of this interview but during the course of this interview one thing
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that spy asked Antonio about was about all of the fights that he had had with his with his own father and he states
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that you know one of these fights uh you were charged with breaking into the home
01:08:25
of your father in the spring of 1974 you were charged with breaking and entering
01:08:30
in his home and theft well Antonio corrects him and says that's not correct I was only charged with a violation
01:08:38
because all they could prove was that I had broken into his home and that I I didn't steal anything now he asked him
01:08:47
when did you leave Florence well he left Florence in the beginning of 1975 um when did you return uh he
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returned in 1982 and then separated in 1985 um there's and this goes on and on but what we're establishing here is his
01:09:04
movements when was he in the area and when was he not both of those statements put him in the area during the times of
01:09:12
the killings and out of the area when the killings were not taking place the thought about the actual break into
01:09:20
salvator's home the thought there is spy believes that sabator had the gun that he had possession of the Beretta and
01:09:29
that Antonio broke into his father's home and stole the gun before the first double homicide in
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1974 all right so just to break this down to be pretty clear MH so basically his father kills his mother in ' 61
01:09:44
pulls him out of the house in ' 61 then in 68 his father's involved in this clan
01:09:50
type killing they kill uh this this this couple because they're cheating on them
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and then in 74 the son breaks into the father's house steals the murder weapon and then
01:10:02
goes on a killing rampage now he would have been about age 14 at this time yeah yeah he would have been 14 or 15 at the
01:10:10
time I I don't know what month he was born in um it seems awfully young the strange thing here though and this is
01:10:18
where I believe that spy arrived at this conclusion was because when when the father when salvator had noticed that
01:10:26
his home was broken into he called and reported it as a as his home was broken into and things were stolen when the
01:10:34
police arrived to take their report they ask him what was stolen he says there was nothing stolen the house was just
01:10:40
broken into they find out that it was the son that actually broke into the house the thought is sp you know spy's
01:10:48
thought is that salvator would not admit that the only item stolen was a murder weapon that he was present for
01:10:55
participated in back in 1968 so what else came from this interview well spy directly asked him about the 22 Beretta
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he said if your father owned the 22 Beretta MH you were the person in the best position to take it correct and
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well Antonio says he he kind of stalls on his answer but his answer is this he says you know I didn't take it and I
01:11:21
have proof and he says you what was the proof and he says if I had taken that gun from my father I would have fired
01:11:28
that gun into my father's forehead that's your proof well that's a pretty uh strong statement there yeah and spy
01:11:35
Spy pushes him further in saying that you know because you didn't have the gun that I'm asking you about then that
01:11:43
means you are not the monster of Florence well Antonio says no I'm not the monster because I like my [ __ ] hole
01:11:53
wowza that's a that's another strong statement well it's after this statement that spy
01:11:58
decides to leave the house to leave this guy's house immediately um as he's walking out of the home uh he is uh
01:12:08
embraced let's say by his host by Antonio um and during this he he basically Whispers to him in a in a deep
01:12:18
grally tone he says listen carefully spy I I never joke around um I don't know what that means but I take that to be
01:12:27
some kind of threat here the situation is Captain does you know spy's thoughts uh he's looked at this crime probably
01:12:37
longer than anybody else being the investigative journalist that he is he's worked this case longer than most of the
01:12:43
investigators involved I think he has a reasonable explanation for the crimes and for who the monster of Florence is
01:12:53
you know it's a little no matter who you look at in this case it's a little bit of a leap though wouldn't you agree yeah
01:12:59
I definitely think there's a leap um I think the tough thing about this leap that he's making is that like we said
01:13:06
that then the suspect would have to be 14 years old yeah yeah that's the biggest hurdle for me certainly does
01:13:14
have ties to the crime ties to the original murder back in 1968 regardless this is a fascinating yet frustrating
01:13:21
crime all at the same time you know we we talked about this anytime we have an arrest there's an there's another murder
01:13:28
um nothing nothing holds weight here over the course of this investigation after all these years you have four men
01:13:36
that were arrested charged of and convicted of being the monster at different times you also have many
01:13:43
people that were arrested and eventually released and not charged with the crimes
01:13:48
uh a lot of the convictions that I just spoke of have been criticized and ridiculed by the media and it is of
01:13:55
almost everyone's belief that the killer or Killers have never been identified well I guess uh until then until new
01:14:03
information comes out we'll just never know well and that leads us to our recommended reading for this week
01:14:08
Captain we are recommending the monster of Florence by Douglas Preston and Mario
01:14:13
spy uh the thing here is I know I feel we did a great job covering this this is a huge case though this was one of those
01:14:19
situations we got into this and we were starting thinking this three episodes is
01:14:24
this four episodes glad you pat yourself on the back we did a great job oh we did
01:14:28
I'm here to tell you uh but what I will tell you Captain is that there is more reason to look into this case on your
01:14:34
own there were certain avenues that we were unable to take uh unable to explore because them and themselves were monster
01:14:42
cases of their own so if you want to find out more about the quote unquote doctor that had this satanic
01:14:49
organization that he was he was looking for body parts for these rituals that's covered in this book The Monster
01:14:55
of Florence by Douglas Preston and Mario spy and you can pick that up by going to
01:15:00
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01:15:12
just on that doctor yeah if you want to hear more about the doctor if you if you
01:15:16
really want to impress upon us so you want to hear more about the monster of Florence you can do that at our blog at
01:15:21
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