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claims he's been killing prostitutes and he's wondering why he's doing it oh God
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so maybe he thinks I have an answer is this Ed Ed no this isn't Ed oh you haven't killed any prostitutes no I
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never said my name was Ed oh oh sorry that's okay what's your what name do you use you can call me clay
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clay clay yes clay okay clay so what happened how many prostitutes have you killed
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12 and you're wondering why you do it I have a pretty good idea why did your mom beat you did your mom spank you
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did your mom a prostitute no actually nothing like that what is it then I think I just do it for the sense of the
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power all right do you have sex with them first yes and and then what you strangle
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them once how else did you kill him well a few times actually most times with a hammer H and where do you do this
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primarily uh I've done it twice in the parking garage and then the rest of the times on the
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side of the road and uh you're from the New Orleans area yes and H I mean what do you you
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beat them to death with a hammer man that usually only takes one in dude you got to have a lot of anger in you yes
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and that means you're heartless did you used to kill small animals no I've killed a rat yeah dude
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you're a serial killer yeah yeah wow and you get away away with it I guess cuz they're hookers and so far nobody what
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is this Howard yeah hello hello I didn't know this was Howard yeah it's Howard of course
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yeah yeah no I've never killed a kitten H so how old were were you when you killed
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your first woman 16 and you must be a powerful kind of guy big guy uh wasn't then right and uh when you
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killed your first one did you go in there knowing you were going to kill her or it just sort of
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happened I I knew I I had I really had it planned out you know I wanted to do the whole sending Clues right to baffle
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people but it turned out no one noticed for a long time right like what like you
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killed her on the side of the road uh her that was the parking garage okay and then what' you do with the body
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you dumped that somewhere um yeah actually I think uh she's probably one of the ones that they found yeah but
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let me ask you so you were sending clues that you were going to do this no I was
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do that he was going to leave like a note for the newspapers and you know but you decided not to he didn't want to be
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famous or draw attention to himself but what problem is that's what I wanted to do but oh but you did but no one noticed
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the clues I no I never sent the clues I never left anything you know I wanted to
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have my own little signature right I wanted to thumb paint oh with thumbs oh really what do you want to do thumb
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paint with their thumbs thumb paint what though I don't know oh anything it was in a comic book a couple years ago was a
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just seemed like a good idea like you take the girl you killed you you dip her thumbs and paint and then you do like a
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thumb painting yes on a piece of paper yeah now when you after you kill somebody do you play with the
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body um actually the closest I've ever done of that is I always make sure I pay them
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and I make sure they keep their money oh really when they're still alive but uh with one of them I did put the money in
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a compromising place I see but that was this one you it had a penis oh was a guy
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yeah yeah I didn't know it first so do you you ever get do you think the reason you're so angry is because you were
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abused or something no I wasn't abused Howard where's your family you got a wife I mean you got a
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mom a dad a wife children you got any of that I've got a couple of kids but um I
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no wife not married to the mother you're a white guy uh yeah Howard that's pretty funny
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because the only suspect they had when they started finding the bodies was a black police
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officer turns out one of them uh was associated with them oh really yeah are you on
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drugs ah I've done acid a few times m so nothing Happ so after you killed after you killed the first 16-year-old like uh
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you you finished you you finished 16 oh that's right I'm sorry was right so you finished with your uh sexual
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gratification and then you not always no not always you don't even want to get laid sometimes no I just you just want
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to kill I'm just bored right but does the killing sexually satisfy you in some way I can't believe Ed mcmah
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laughing eaten off thinking about it later yeah what you say he's pleasured himself thinking about it later oh he
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has okay now how far apart of these murders like do you murder and then like you feel satisfied for a while
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um I don't even understand why I do it Howard I don't know if I ever get any satisfaction H but how how of together
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anywhere was uh the same night really you killed two people in the same night yeah but I went to Mississippi for the
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second one H hm so there's no pattern to how many weeks or days between murders no are these mostly White Chicks
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or black chicks uh fair fair number of them have been black the uh transvest was black do he do some racial
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motivation here no Howard they were just uh let's just say in Jimmy Swagger Town
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mhm Jimmy Swagger Town don't know what that I me no that's that's pretty much the area around here where the
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prostitutes all hang out I see and it's just whoever comes up to you you don't pick a certain type I don't
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even approach them I wait for them to approach me Robin and you ever like them asking for it do you ever like look into
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their eyes and go you know gee these these people were just children at one point and maybe they just had a tough
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life I let a couple go you have like what happened you're in the middle of killing them and then they and then they
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what do they say why would you let one go and kill the other there was this one go ahead I think she was probably really
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new to it yeah I there was just something about maybe she reminded me of my fiance but
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right you somehow Rel more of an innocent quality I just you somehow felt bad for
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her yeah H you so okay so you killed your first woman when was the last time you
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killed it's been a few months actually it's it's been going on a year so what do you think you're going to do do you
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think you're going to kill yourself do you think that uh you think are you going to kill again can you stop this I
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killed myself I missed the next Batman movie right you don't want to do that no no but in all seriousness I mean do you
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think that uh you could control this do you think you can stop I think I have been oh you have been for the last
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couple of months a year he hasn't killed oh a year yeah almost so why do you think he stopped killing all of a
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sudden I really don't know Howard I just part of it had to do with my car broke down ah no Transportation seriously
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that's the reason well that was the reason for a month but after that I guess it was all self-control wow so you
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don't want to do this anymore no he wants to do it but he's controlling himself like you want to kill women
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right sure yeah and what do you like it do you enjoy seeing them struggle as you kill
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them uh actually none of them really struggle H do you hit them from behind or do they see it
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coming oh I can't get inside their minds but let's just say I hit them but I mean
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are you facing them yeah well you can see their face and everything when they do it yeah yeah the the worst I've ever
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gotten was um one tried to grab my neck I've never gotten any of the claw marks or anything that are uh dead giveaways
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right you must be very powerful I wouldn't call myself powerful maybe uh intimidating why did you use a
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hammer you think uh cuz it was in a book I read oh oh everything has come from cartoons yeah
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when's the last time you got laid uh last week Howard oh yeah so you didn't kill that girl no cuz she wasn't a
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hooker no right it's only hookers though a lot of serial killers are only the hookers cuz they know a easy probably
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won't get caught and be they have some kind of anger toward hookers so there's no way I'm going to talk you into giving
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yourself up or anything right no I shouldn't even waste my time I know I'm going to get calls after this people
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going to go Howard how can we even catch him has anybody ever been close to catching you no no actually someone once
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when it was in the newspaper someone joked to me I know it was you but uh well they were joking right do you have
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a lot of tattoos oh I don't have any tattoos I wouldn't do that to myself right and do you get high before you do
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this uh I've gotten pretty drunk before yeah I'm the only guy you could am I the
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only guy you ever told about this yeah H wow I guess that's sort of an honor I've
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told a couple of women Howard but uh they're dead yeah do you tell them first and then you kill him uh yeah what do
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you say to him let me let's now and then you can play the running game if you're
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out in the middle of nowhere and we got a lot in the middle of nowhere down here
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right so in other words let's say you're with a woman right a hooker yeah Howard and
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you say to her uh okay honey uh you know you just had sex and everything what do
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you say to her to torment her how do you break the news to her that she's going to
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die I it really depends on my uh mood just give us an example well if I wanted to I could just
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say Baba buoy but that would be pretty uh no come on be serious what do you say to
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them I I can say you're GNA die and then what do they do I like to articulate a little more than that
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mhm sometimes I ask them uh if they think it's dangerous doing what they're doing if they're worried about things
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and they'll laugh it off and that just pisses me off right and then you go ahead and you kill them yeah
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H all right well there you go [Music] well you heard it there folks in November of 1997 a man calling himself
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clay saying he is the killer of sex workers a dozen at that calling from the New Orleans area to speak with shock
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jock legendary DJ Howard Stern calling up telling Howard Stern that he believes that he got into killing women for fame
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and notoriety and later he now believes that he does it simply for power and control and this is a call that has been
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an interesting one obviously this is an older call but one that really sparked a
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lot of renewed interest just earlier this year in fact in the fall of 2021 and I don't know why all of a
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sudden here Captain this pops up on the radar is something that everybody's really interested in all you know all
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these years later but one guest that I have is anybody that listens to Howard or is the
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proud listener of Sirius XM knows that Howard has two whole channels devoted to him and the shenanigans of his staff and
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crew and the Howard station 101 which is arguably one of my favorite stations on
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Sirius XM plays a lot of the best of or sternthology or you know the older shows
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interestingly enough here Captain I remember roughly around August or September of this
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year they played this call again they played the entire segment which I believe was multiple callers and this
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clay killer of women was only one of maybe three callers during a maybe a 20 minute segment and but it's by far the
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most intriguing of those three calls and absolutely one of the most intriguing calls that Howard has received in his
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very lengthy career well just to get this right because I'm I'm not an avid Howard Stern listener I think he does
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great interviews I think he's obviously evolving throughout the years and this was 20 some years ago I think you can
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tell from this interview uh Howard's kind of listening like where I think Howard has become a better listener when
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he's doing interviews now then and obviously it's just a caller calling in but you can tell there's a couple times
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where he has the caller has to correct Howard because he's not really fully engaged in the call but so what I'm
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guessing is that they'd have a call-in section and that section would be normally about 20 some minutes long and
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then if one call is kind of boring you cut them off at a couple minutes but this one was pretty intriguing so it
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last almost 11 minutes long yeah and I think what you have there and as someone who's listened to Howard for quite some
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time this is actually typical Howard to me like and I think it's not because he's not trying to listen I think he's
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quarterbacking a lot of stuff that's going on that we don't see because all we're hearing is the audio and one thing
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that I know that he does from time to time because he spoke about it on the radio is he's like trying to determine
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trying to gauge in his own mind is this an interesting call or not because if it's not boom I'm dumping this call I'm
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here to put out an interesting show and we'll move on to the next caller this is
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one of those ones where I think he's trying to gauge that but he he sounds like he's very intrigued by what this
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guy's saying and in a way almost trying to figure out the guy maybe not to the point of identifying him but at least to
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the point of trying to gauge if this guy is legit or if he is genuine in what he
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is claiming to be because it's not every day that some guy calls up a radio station saying hey I've killed a dozen
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women and I really just called to tell you about it and I think I mentioned earlier to to you this year when we're
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putting together a schedule list you know we'll take the cases and then map out where we're going to put them on the
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schedule my thought was this would be interesting to hear you dissect this call you being a Howard Stern listener
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and you being into True Crime what was your thoughts and opinions on this call surprisingly it seems like in the last
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couple months other people got this same idea to dissect this call and there's a
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couple videos and stuff on YouTube where people are doing that well and what's really interesting uh behind the scenes
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here in the garage when you brought it up I had it on my list and I thought oh this is perfect thank God he brought it
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up because it's always more exciting to cover something that you're excited about but to know that your your partner
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in crime is excited to cover as well so you know that it's going to be a good interesting conversation even if nobody
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else hears it right but uh so I I had said well you know I heard the call again it's one that I had heard over the
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years and I was always very intrigued by the call and I thought you know what this would be perfect for something for
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off the Record because we're always kind of looking for True Crime but also kind
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of off-the-wall topics for off the Record right you said to me you go well I think it's interesting enough maybe
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maybe it goes on the regular show and then what kind of echoed that I idea was we started getting emails from people
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that were saying hey have you ever heard the Howard Stern serial killer phone call uh we would love to hear a
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discussion about that on the show so the listeners asked for it and here we are doing it and this call to me is is
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incredibly interesting because I find myself walking the Highwire of whether I believe this guy or not right it's a
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it's a balancing act and it's not that I want to believe him or it's not that I don't want to believe him it's a matter
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of well what side what side of this Highwire do I fall off on do I fall on the side that this guy's legit or do I
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fall on the side of well this is just somebody calling in and looking to hear their voice on their on their favorite
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radio show there's a lot of things that he says along the way that really make me feel like there's there's some truths
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here on this call I don't know that I would ever fully believe 100% that this guy I would of the things that he's
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saying and I want to make sure that I really kind of explain that thought one the thought
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being that I don't know that I would fully 100% ever believe a serial killer in their statements or their stories
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because we know that one very common theme that is shared by these individuals is they are known liars and
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they're known Liars throughout the entirety of their their lives and their criminal careers if you want to call it
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that so even if you were sitting down with somebody that you knew was legit Ed keer uh would be one that would come to
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mind somebody that is able to explain and articulate his crimes and some of his very the devious type behaviors and
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things that he did throughout time you know he's able to explain those to you and he's able to help you learn from him
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in in way but I also would suspect that I don't know that these guys possess the
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ability to be 100% truthful at anytime and they tend to skew and mash the facts when it benefits them you know that's
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kind of a a common theme with Humanity in general but um they certainly do it more often than most one thing that is
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super interesting to me here is that another commonality amongst these types that we've learned over the years is
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that they usually like to talk they usually want to tell somebody some of the things that they've done it's almost
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a way of of bragging and I agree with that wholeheartedly normally when you're hanging out with your buddies and
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somebody's telling the story and it's like you might have heard the story before and a couple years later the
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story has changed a little bits and they embellish little Parts it makes the story
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better but I agree with you I I don't know how much you can trust if he is a serial killer how much you could trust
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him anyways that fish I caught Captain was 17 in and it weighed over 2 and2 lbs yeah and then a year later that same
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fish man that thing was like 22 in 17 ft and 3.1 lb and now it's not the biggest
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fish that I've ever caught even though it's grown since the time that I've caught it
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it's now the second or third largest fish that I've ever caught so yeah I think I think those things happen now in
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analyzing this call one things a few things that jump off the uh I was going to say jump off the page but maybe jump
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out the earbuds are first he when asked his name clay he comes up with the name relatively quickly you know what I mean
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like it's he's not fishing for a name to present so that to me that's interesting
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and then the number of victims he says it very quick very matter of factly I've killed 12 women well a couple of things
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there I think one and we've talked about this before some people have when they go into bars
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with their buddies they have a Alias that they like to use or in this case I wondered if this individual or maybe
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other serial killers when they would meet their victim Well normally it's like nice to meet you I'm the captain
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what's your name so they would have that name maybe he's used clay in every single murder that's what I wondered
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about as well because Here's the the biggest problem for serial killers and I know that's a really strange sentence to
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say here is that often when they do it on a long enough timeline there will be one or two victims or survivors that get
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away and usually that is their undoing that is the unra traveling and and what will lead to their apprehension now we
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know that serial killers just like any other industry in life kids playing Little League Baseball they study the
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guys playing Major League Baseball and they try to learn from what works and what from and from what doesn't work for
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the guys in The Bigs so that maybe one day they can make it to the bigs so some of these serial killers and some of the
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more organized ones at that will typ Al study known serial offenders and known serial killers and they want to know
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what worked for them and what didn't work for them and they might try to employ some of those techniques that did
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work and strongly avoid some of the things that didn't work or LED to their eventual apprehension now with Ted Bundy
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one thing that he did and I think this shows the arrogance of Bundy was I don't think he ever thought that any of these
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women were going to get away from him I don't think Bundy ever thought that they
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would survive Ted Bundy once he set his plan into place once he made that determination that you were his he
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believed it was going to work in his favor right and so we know from the time at the the lake shamish and and before
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that the task force was actually referring to and this is during the Washington State portion of the
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investigation looking for the known serial killer they knew they had a serial killer operating in the area they
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didn't know who it was but during that portion of the Ted Bundy case behind the scenes the task force and the people
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working that that case were actually referring to the investigation as the Ted murders yet they had not identified
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the person that was committing those murders why were they calling the investigation the Ted murders or the
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series of murders the Ted murders because on more than one occasion there was a female that got away or was
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approached and had some kind of conversation with Ted Bundy in which he used his real name you know that's a
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common interaction when you first meet somebody for the first time oh what's your name my name is Cindy what's your
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name my name is my name is Ted it worked for him for a while because a lot of the
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victims didn't get away but when they started looking for possible eyewitnesses and people that did get
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away they're like wait a second this this person is calling himself Ted and so they called it the Ted murders but I
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don't know that any of the investigators at the time believe that they thought that the guy would be dumb enough to use
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his real name so I like the cut of your jib here Captain I think you might be spot on where clay might be a name that
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he is using when he's picking up a sex worker hey what's your name honey oh my name's clay well what do you want uh how
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much you know you got to negotiate price and and different different things you know where where this is all going to go
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down those are all part of the negot iation process and I would imagine that an exchange of names and probably both
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of them fictitious is going down during the course of that conversation and maybe
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that's why he's able to to kind of throw out this name clay obviously we wouldn't
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expect them to be giving his real name or providing his real name to Howard Stern and saying that he's killed 12
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women and they've not figured out that it's me yet and so maybe this is a name that he's using to help get the eventual
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victim into his vehicle if if your whole goal is to procure a victim and get a victim or potential victim into your
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vehicle and we know that his vehicle was a part of his his murder technique you know part of of his scheme and what he
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was doing because he said hey I've stopped for a while and part of the reason why I stopped is my vehicle broke
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down I didn't have you know I that that's his lab to work in that's his that's his mobile lab to try to procure
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a victim and then take them where he feels comfortable assaulting and killing them and without that vehicle he's he's
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lost his playing field so to speak so there has to be some kind of exchange and you can't have a woman lean into the
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vehicle and say hey honey what's your name and you go I don't want to tell you my name well that might be off-putting
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to her and she might not be wanting to get into your vehicle after that exchange so maybe this is a name that he
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is using during the interaction with these victims the number 12 is interesting too when he's asked you know
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he says I don't know if I can't remember from the call if Howard asks him how many people he's killed or if he just
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offers it up but the number of 12 seems to come out real quick right like he doesn't have to to think about it so
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much and you know the detectives will often say if something is true and something is factual you don't have to
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remember it right you know you don't have to spend a lot of time trying to remember it you know it you know it to
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be true so that's kind of terrifying when he throws out the number 12 and does so rather
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doing mainly is a beer tasting and we'll be doing a Q&A we will not be featuring
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bar doing a meet and greet so that's all included in the price but back to this call one of the things that I thought
00:35:32
was interesting about this clay guy is why I kind of find it humorous that he almost seemed annoyed Ed no I never said
00:35:43
Ed right I'm clay so you could kind of almost see his temperament a little bit yeah so you have that weird interaction
00:35:51
there where Howard asks is this Ed and he says no and Howard sounds bummed out and I think that's because it's not
00:35:58
uncommon for your you know they're screening these calls behind the scenes before that any of them make it onto the
00:36:05
radio so it's not uncommon especially on a show like Howard Stern where you have
00:36:09
hundreds of people trying to call in all at the same time where they're screening
00:36:15
calls and they're in Howard's one ear we can't hear it but they're saying hey we
00:36:19
got this guy uh Ed he claims to be a serial killer he's on line six you know and then Howard picks up is this Ed no
00:36:28
it's not Ed oh he sounds bummed out because he thinks well the the wires got crossed and and now he's got some guy
00:36:35
that he doesn't know if it's going to be an interesting call or not but very quickly yeah the the the caller
00:36:41
straightens out the situation by saying no I yes I've killed women but I never said my name was Ed the other thing I
00:36:48
thought was kind of humorous is he doesn't understand that he's talking to Howard so that one that makes me think
00:36:55
is he much of a Howard listener because Howard's voice is very distinct and so then he's almost I don't know 30 seconds
00:37:08
to a minute maybe longer I have to actually look where he's like wait is this Howard and he's like yeah this is
00:37:14
Howard who do you think it was and then you can hear his breathing almost changed like he becomes nervous and so
00:37:22
that makes me believe okay well why would you get nervous that you're actually talking to Howard would you be
00:37:27
nervous because now you feel like you're on the air or if you were a big fan of Howard then maybe you would you know get
00:37:33
nervous at the last Meetup I did this girl came up to me and we're taking a picture and she was like I'm shaking I
00:37:40
don't know why I'm shaking I'm like either do I so um so I thought it was kind of humorous that he he gets mad
00:37:48
about the mistaking of the name and then gets nervous once he figures out it's Howard well sometimes adrenaline kicks
00:37:55
in and it's not really up to us when it does kick in I think it comes from that part of the brain that doesn't ask for
00:38:01
permission it just decides boom here you go now you're like oh crap I'm shaking and I if if I had a a choice in the
00:38:09
matter I would choose not to be shaking but you're right and this is one thing that that always surprises me yes one
00:38:16
the caller not recognizing Howard's voice two they are on the call with Howard and
00:38:24
Robin at the same time and he doesn't he seems to fail to recognize that but this is in in the
00:38:33
defense of the guy claiming to be a serial killer uh this is something that I've witnessed dozens and dozens of
00:38:39
times on the Howard Stern Show where somebody somebody's talking for a couple minutes and then they're shocked that
00:38:45
they're actually talking to Howard I don't know again they're screening the calls and I don't know if the person
00:38:51
screening the calls ever tells the caller hey hold for Howard or okay you're on next I think they just take
00:38:58
down some information tell them they're putting them back on hold and if Howard picks up he picks up because the guy
00:39:04
screening the calls or the woman screening the calls can never guarantee that Howard's going to actually pick up
00:39:09
on on any of these people so but you're right there's a change in his in his speech and in his breathing and it could
00:39:18
be from both of those factors that you pointed out maybe maybe kind of a double whammy of oh crap I am on air I am live
00:39:26
a little bit of stage fright and oh I am I am talking to Howard and now I'm nervous the other thing you have to
00:39:33
wonder too is this guy doesn't he's not calling in because he wants to get caught there's other people he could
00:39:39
call if he wanted to turn himself in or to get caught yeah if he is who he says he is he's calling in to brag about what
00:39:46
he's done receive some of that Fame notoriety that he is seeking these are his own words he said originally I think
00:39:54
that I got into it because I wanted to be famous or be or be known as a serial killer and now I'm coming to realize
00:40:03
that I think that I do it it being killing women for a sense of power and control and so he's not calling in with
00:40:12
the idea of oh I want to give up every detail and every bit of information about myself so you can catch me so part
00:40:19
of me wanders too is there's an added factor to that nervousness that he's going oh wait a second have I already
00:40:25
said too much I wasn't aware that we would be on the air right well in the last 5 years we've lived a strange life
00:40:33
we're going on a strange Journey because we talk about these cases sometimes we bring up individuals and those
00:40:39
individuals might be suspects in a case that we brought up and they make contact
00:40:44
with the show and sometimes it's not even to clear up their name maybe they just want to have a discussion with us
00:40:52
and obviously they're having a discussion with us to clear up their name but they they might they might not
00:40:57
be upset about how it was reported because for years they've been a part of the case's story MH and so every time
00:41:08
somebody's reached out to me I I I always feel like the obligation one because we spoke about them and they
00:41:17
have thoughts and opinions on the case and since they're close to the case I always
00:41:22
feel obligated to to give them the time to talk with them but they're also intriguing conversations because there's
00:41:31
a part of you that goes this person is a suspect maybe not my favorite suspect in
00:41:36
the case or or somebody that I lean too heavily in favor of being the actual murderer or whoever is responsible for
00:41:45
the crime but in those conversations there's a part of you that's like well maybe
00:41:51
they will slip up maybe they'll be talking to me about the case and just go you know what this
00:41:57
is just too much and oh by the way I did it so I think that's probably playing through Howard's mind well it's
00:42:06
interesting that this guy calls and he's going to tell me all these details maybe through the act of talking about
00:42:16
the crimes I could get him to just and I I don't think he L leans on that too heavy mhm but I think he definitely I at
00:42:25
one point he even says you know I I have to ask because how how crazy would have
00:42:31
that call turned into if he basically said oh yeah okay well yeah this feels good to be talking about and almost
00:42:40
confessing to somebody and if he was telling Howard the truth that you're the only person I ever told there is a
00:42:48
chance that that individual then goes well this feels good to get off my chest all by the way my real name is the
00:42:58
captain yeah well it's again it it might be one of those situations where if this
00:43:03
is in fact real if he is who he says he is well then he's calling in because he's wanted some Fame and notoriety for
00:43:13
his acts but he can't you he can't just run out into the streets and say I'm the
00:43:18
guy you're looking for I'm the guy that's responsible for all the News That's hit in the papers and the bodies
00:43:23
that they're finding on the side of the road right because if so he's going to they're going to shut him down he's
00:43:29
going to be locked up and he's going to be forced to stop doing what it is that he seems to like and enjoy doing and
00:43:38
that's taking the lives of of these women 12 specifically is what he says and of course there's a lot of other
00:43:45
crimes and horrible things that go on leading up to the murders themselves and that's probably all of a all of it for
00:43:54
him too a driving factor for him as well this is from a book that we've been talking about a little bit here in the
00:44:01
garage as of late called a Killer By Design and this is by the great Anne Burgess and one thing that she's talking
00:44:08
about in throughout this book is how much these types usually and we got to we got to make sure we we say that
00:44:17
correctly usually like to talk and like to explain what it is that they are guilty
00:44:24
of she's talking about a case where this is the ski mask rapist and after he was
00:44:31
caught she goes on to say his desire to take ownership of his crimes and his habit of bragging about what he had done
00:44:38
as a way of defining who he is his desire to impress others by violent means was deeply disturbing of course
00:44:46
but it also came with an upside for our criminal personality study as a whole simonis that's uh the the man identified
00:44:54
as the ski Mas killer or sorry ski mask rapist simonis wanted to talk he wanted others to step inside his head so he
00:45:02
could relive his most violent episodes and share them with an audience forcing others to witness the rawness of the
00:45:10
details was a fundamental part of how his mind worked and so that kind of backs up a lot of the idea well if this
00:45:21
guy is in fact who he says he is why would he go out of his way if he doesn't want to get caught to go
00:45:28
on I mean 1997 this is almost National radio I mean by this point Howard Stern he's still on terrestrial radio but it's
00:45:38
he's syndicated throughout the country and in many different states especially in some of the major
00:45:44
cities and so why would he want to risk right because that's what he's doing he's if he is who he says he is
00:45:52
his risk of getting caught that number just went really way up because of this action
00:46:00
it's risky Behavior to call in and announce to Howard and and anybody that's listening who you are and what
00:46:06
you've been up to and well and I also don't think he's sitting there being that calculated on the information he's
00:46:15
giving there he's it's not like he's there's hesitation or that he's there's these long pause before he starts
00:46:23
answering stuff some of stuff is coming out of his mouth real quickly and that's
00:46:29
what's disturbing to me because that's where I lean on the side that this guy's telling the truth because he's he's not
00:46:34
struggling to come up with an answer because he's he does know what the questions are going to be before he
00:46:38
calls in so it's not like he can script all of his answers he does a a pretty good job too of not giving a great
00:46:45
physical description of himself even though you can tell at times Howard is kind of trying to bait him a little bit
00:46:52
you said bait and maybe get some information from him so by this is what you said it's what about a
00:46:58
10-minute phone call yeah so over the course of a 10-minute conversation that we listen into really the only physical
00:47:05
description that he offers up about himself is that he's a white male with no tattoos even so much so that when
00:47:13
Howard says like oh well you must be like a big powerful big strong person and what a slick answer that clay offers
00:47:20
up he says well I wasn't back then well that that's not even a real answer that's not yes I am a big strong huge
00:47:27
person or I'm a Meek little individual that's uh an extremely vague answer of well I wasn't back then right meaning he
00:47:36
could still be not big but exactly and again Define what is Big it's not really defined when he's asked to give an
00:47:46
answer so he really offers up no physical description of himself other than to say he has no tattoos no tattoos
00:47:52
is a direct reply to Howard on a specific question that is thrown out there and that he's a
00:47:59
a white male I did the same thing with this call that I did with the Brandon Lawson 911 tape listen to it one time
00:48:09
okay listen to it again and then immediately it was like okay let me get a pad of
00:48:15
paper and start dissecting it I mean it it felt like the same feeling and like I
00:48:21
said you see that he's perturbed because you call him Ed does understand that it's Howard find that interesting right
00:48:28
away and also he mentions two at least two comic book references he talks about well I saw this thing in a comic book
00:48:37
where the killer was painting with the victim's thumbs and then he said something like well I don't want to turn
00:48:43
myself in because I'd missed the next Batman movie mhm so two comic book references and then also like you said
00:48:51
where he goes oh well no no I'm a white male uh you have any tattoos no I wouldn't do that to myself even though
00:49:00
that the answer came out so quickly it could be look when you have a lot of tattoos people will ask about them and
00:49:11
somebody sometimes you'll hear the reply yeah I I'm too scared to do that or I don't know what I'd put on myself or I
00:49:18
wouldn't do that to myself so it could be just a ruse oh yeah do you have any tattoos now ah don't have any tattoos I
00:49:27
wouldn't do that to myself and kind of a joking answer to himself well one thing that I find
00:49:33
really interesting is his where he does struggle to give an answer is when he's asked if he does
00:49:42
drugs and he he hesitates on his answer and he throws something out there like well I did acid when I was a teenager
00:49:49
something like he gives some answer that's not really a direct answer to the question that that was just delivered by
00:49:56
Stern and one thing to me that that I really I really focused in on that because when we talk about offering up
00:50:05
no real description of himself well if he says yes I'm a drug user or or goes into specifics about the types of drugs
00:50:13
that he uses well these guys that kill five 6 7 10 12 people they usually have other crimes that they've committed
00:50:25
throughout the course of their lifetime and so that creates a police record the the police have a record of those
00:50:32
convictions use on fire and so he doesn't want to offer up that would be one thing that he really wouldn't want
00:50:39
to offer up besides a physical description of himself because he could be he could be in a database somewhere
00:50:46
you know I I need somebody that I know has been in the area for this period of time from this year to to the current
00:50:53
year remember this was November of 1997 of the phone call I need somebody that has has previous drug convictions we
00:51:00
know that he had a driver's license at one point because he says his car broke down and that was a factor in why he he
00:51:07
briefly stopped killing for a while um so there's some things that you can start to piece together if you really
00:51:13
wanted to track this down now he he says he's calling from the New Orleans area one thing that would have been really
00:51:21
interesting to know and this is a call as startling as it is Captain this is a call that's not referenced on the show I
00:51:30
I I don't know that it's ever been referenced again on on the show one that I could find but I I'm a regular
00:51:36
listener I don't listen to every single day or every single minute of the show obviously but uh well the information I
00:51:42
found about this call is supposedly the call happened and they've never discussed it ever since they didn't even
00:51:50
supposedly discuss it on the next segment hey remember that guy that just called us what do you think it's almost
00:51:57
like they had the conversation and they just moved on and and look for all we know law enforcement was listening maybe
00:52:06
they even got contacted by law enforcement you know hey do you have uh screeners can you tell us what number
00:52:12
this guy's calling from and maybe they were told legally just not to talk about it mhm well and that's one thing I
00:52:20
wondered like and it was never mentioned was it in fact a New Orleans area code I
00:52:26
would have loved if if Gary would have chimed in or whoever was screening the calls would have chimed in to let us
00:52:33
know that at least the guy's calling from the area that he says he's calling from well I actually believe that's
00:52:38
correct because when he says Howard is the one that says New Orleans oh and and and you can tell that he's a little
00:52:46
startled by the fact that they know that yeah he's a little off-put that that's thrown out there right away yeah and I
00:52:53
and I have always found that to be a little suspicious where he's going he's talking and they're like okay yeah
00:52:59
you're call from New Orleans and he's like yeah it's almost like he knows that might have been information that clay
00:53:06
didn't want to give out well and we can say this that there was an active serial
00:53:12
killer in New Orleans in the early 90s and the one of the more extensive articles and information that I could
00:53:23
find out there says that it could be up to 26 victims and this would be through the course of looks like
00:53:31
1991 to about 1996 now the only the only thing that I throw in there in regard to this call is that the
00:53:44
last victim that they have listed here the 26th victim was found in April of 1996 and Clay says that he he says that
00:53:54
he hasn't killed in almost a year and this Call's taking place in November of 1997 now let's Circle back around to
00:54:03
something else though when he is talking about how he killed some of his victims
00:54:09
he says a a hammer is one of them strangulation was was at least one of them and I believe he says that most of
00:54:18
the victims he killed with a hammer and he strangled one of them and he also says something about the strangled
00:54:24
victim I'm saying well that's probably one of the ones that they found so just because we don't have any
00:54:32
victims found after April of 1996 or or information pointing Us in that direction doesn't mean that the Call's
00:54:41
not legit right it doesn't mean that the call isn't legit because maybe they just
00:54:45
haven't found his more recent victim or victims well like you said he hesitates on when he says you know are you on
00:54:53
drugs and he hesitates and I wonder if that's he then follows up saying you know well I you know maybe I'd be
00:55:00
drinking when I'd commit these crimes you wonder what how much is this guy drinking and is he drinking and then
00:55:09
once he has enough beers that he's also doing some other drug and is it possible
00:55:14
that he just doesn't remember some of the murders yeah that's certainly a a possibility here um I would I would
00:55:23
guess that the the individual might not be so sloppy drunk that I mean if if he if
00:55:31
what he's saying is true he's been able to pull this off 12 times without getting caught yeah and he he seems to
00:55:38
believe that he's so far off their radar that he can call into a a a national radio show and tell tell everybody what
00:55:46
he's been up to yeah I thought that too but um with the drinking thing you know yes cuz I I would I would assume that
00:55:55
these killers would have this urge the urge is growing now they know that uh I I have to start planning I think they
00:56:03
start working out this this puzzle in their in their brain but I'd also think that individuals that had these urges if
00:56:14
they were an avid Drinker that once they got enough booze into their system that
00:56:21
maybe they wouldn't be able to control their their um impulses well yeah I mean often times
00:56:27
they will they will do something to loosen themselves up to build up the courage to because a lot of times these
00:56:34
are fantasies that these individuals have and they've kept to themselves their entire lives and they want to act
00:56:39
out these fantasies they've just never had the the guts to do it yeah and as as dumb and sick as that sounds that's
00:56:47
that's the truth they've they've never been able to build up the confidence or The Bravery or whatever you want to call
00:56:53
it to to act on these fantasies now one thing that I found interesting though too is he doesn't shy away from the fact
00:57:02
that one of his 12 victims was a a crossdresser that you know come to discover later during the attack or what have you
00:57:13
he learns that what he thought was a female victim is now a a male victim and the thing that's interesting to me about
00:57:22
that Captain is in this the list I was able to find of the 26 victims from 1991 to
00:57:30
1996 in I'm sorry 1990 yeah April 1996 in and around the New Orleans area and unfortunately they with very broad
00:57:41
Strokes they paint the the a picture here in the title of what the list is saying that these these 26 individuals
00:57:51
were all uh you know sex workers or prostitutes and I don't think I've seen some information come out from family
00:57:59
members of some of the the persons that have been identified that are on this list saying you know they weren't a sex
00:58:07
worker they're being lumped in in this group but what have you what we know here is that I don't think that it's the
00:58:15
same perpetrator that carried out all 26 of these murders I I don't believe that
00:58:19
at all I believe we're probably looking at three maybe four possibly more because a couple of
00:58:26
these could be just one-offs where where somebody killed just one person and they've never killed anybody else ever
00:58:32
again and it just happened to take place during this same time period And so they're getting kind of lumped all
00:58:37
together here uh but within this list of 26 there are two men that are listed and
00:58:45
they're thrown into that category again it's a very broad brush saying uh that these were these were sex workers in the
00:58:54
area and and they were they were found so oh I apologize three males because we have two that have been
00:59:01
identified and one that is is listed as a John Doe so again this is a weird piece of
00:59:11
information that somebody in the area may not know and what I mean is somebody that's
00:59:16
calling in to fake it may not know that that that they've tied some of these male victims in with these female
00:59:23
victims and they believe that they're connected at least enough to fall on the same list right and I found that
00:59:30
interesting now around this same time for my understanding though to Captain it was well known that there was a
00:59:38
serial killer in the area Andor multiple individuals that were killing you know similar women uh
00:59:47
similar being ages or profession uh drug users things of that nature in this time
00:59:54
period in fact so much so that there was a I want to make sure I I have the exact
00:59:59
terminology of what they were calling it back then uh I won't give out the the phone number because I don't know if it
01:00:06
would ring to anybody and if it did it who knows where the phone call would go because this is a task force that was in
01:00:12
operation in the late 90s so they had a Serial murder task force is what they were calling it that was investigating
01:00:20
those 26 homicides that fell onto this list so there would have been some general public awareness that this was
01:00:28
going on one that these murders were happening and two so much so that law enforcement has deemed this or some of
01:00:36
these Murders At least to be the work of a serial killer and they are treating it
01:00:40
as such so much so that they've formed a task force to investigate these cases well when I told a couple of my friends
01:00:47
hey I think we're going to try to dissect this call and I'm I'm interested to hear Nick's thoughts on this they
01:00:55
they would go oh yeah I'm interested to hear his thoughts too like like who cares about your thoughts Captain well
01:01:02
there's a couple of interesting names that are Loosely tied to this story maybe a little more strongly tied to the
01:01:09
story depending on who you ask but those names would be Victor Grant and Russell
01:01:15
Elwood so many people believe that Russell Elwood is in fact the guy calling himself clay clay the serial
01:01:23
killer that calls into the Howard Stern Show confessing to killing 12 women but Victor Gant is the other individual
01:01:30
that's referenced in relation to this story as well and he's really interesting too because it kind of falls
01:01:38
back on something that Clay is talking about during the phone call Victor Gant is a former law
01:01:45
enforcement officer who was tied to two possibly more of the slangs on that list list of 26 that that I keep
01:01:57
referencing so he did have as clay says in the call a direct relationship with one or two of the victims well like you
01:02:08
said anything in this call could have been a lie it could have be a ruse to throw people off the S and I'm trying to
01:02:17
look here on the Fly Captain to figure out if Victor Gant was ever prosecuted or convicted of any of these these
01:02:26
killings here but it doesn't look like and this is not the most updated information but the the most recent
01:02:35
stuff I can find on this individual is that number of victims they put it at anywhere from 0o to 27 so he may not
01:02:43
have been convicted of any of these actual killings but it does specify on some different websites that he is
01:02:51
suspected of having killed two or more of the women that are on this list the interesting thing about Victor Gant as
01:03:00
well when it comes to this list of of homicides here is that he seems to match some kind of physical description that
01:03:10
was being tossed around in relation to some of these earlier murders that were taking place in and around the New
01:03:18
Orleans area in 1992 so the suspect sketched then at that time depicted a large muscular
01:03:27
African-American man in his 30s and Gant matched that physical that be it vague but he matches that physical description
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so who's this Russell lwood he is the individual that many believe is Clay the serial killer who called into the Howard
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Stern Show he did go on trial in 1998 for two murders that took place in 1993 three this was the murders of Cheryl
01:03:56
Lewis and Dolores Mack he was found in the way that he was apprehended okay from my understanding this dude worked
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as a cab driver for for quite some time I don't know if it was the full length or extent of when the killings were
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going on or if it was just for a more brief period of time during the course of those killings but a couple key
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things to know about Elwood is one he was not from the New Orleans area he moved there after living here in Ohio
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for quite sometime and there's some information out there to suggest that he was in Ohio
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for portions of these killings that he may not have even been in the area when some of these women were were abducted
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and killed the way that he lands on the police radar is one taxi cab drivers are
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not uncommonly listed as suspects in these types of cases especially when we're talking about sex workers so his
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his job sort sort of fits what you're looking for because everybody willingly gets into a taxi cab and so it's easy to
01:05:10
come up with victims but they arrest him they find him police see his vehicle in
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the middle of the night out in an area where they've recovered at least two bodies by this point and they find him
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there sitting alone in his car and they question him you know just the basic question of well sir why are you here
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while police knowing hey we've recovered bodies in this area and it wouldn't be uncommon for a serial killer to return
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to the area or maybe he's here because he's getting ready to dump another victim that he has in the trunk of his
01:05:43
car yeah that makes sense he claims first of all he's not fully dressed which I I wish they would offer up more
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detail on that because if it's 90° out and he's just not wearing a shirt that doesn't seem extremely suspicious to me
01:05:57
uh but they say in the report that he's not not fully dressed flicky flicky and that he claims that he's in this area
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because he's going to change the oil in the vehicle and change the brake pads on
01:06:09
the vehicle and he wanted to be out there because he could dump the used oil out in this area and you know without
01:06:18
anybody having concern about it you know you're supposed to properly dispose of youed oil and he wanted to just dump it
01:06:26
on the side of the road well police are extra suspicious because then they search his vehicle I guess they're
01:06:32
Hoping to either find drugs or maybe a victim that they can save uh you know they got a lot of suspicions when
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they're approaching his vehicle they don't find anything of that nature but what they also don't find is brake pads
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or oil or tools to do any of the work that he claims he's going to do again he's out in near a field in Pitch Black
01:06:55
area he doesn't have any uh lighting to assist him in in doing any of this work so they know they've caught him in in a
01:07:03
lie got him now they need to know not only why are you here but two why are you in this area and then lying about
01:07:10
why you would be here so he looks extremely suspicious but again we have to we have to note here that he is it's
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proven that during the course of some of these murders when some of these murders
01:07:22
took place he was not in New Orleans he was not in the state of Louisiana well like you said though there's probably
01:07:28
multiple Killers responsible for the the some total of the what do you say 27 yeah 20 26 is the list that I have and
01:07:38
eventually Elwood was charged in I believe convicted in both of the two that he was charged with I say that with
01:07:46
a little hesitation Captain because I know that there's been some question marks on one of those two homicides over
01:07:51
the years that there's been some information coming forward that he he may not have been in the area for both
01:07:58
of those murders it looks to me like this this Russell lwood is good for for several of these he also claimed to I
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know we don't like jail house snitches the people that he was locked up with Elwood would fit good with Clay too
01:08:13
because he had multiple drug convictions in multiple States before he was ever charged with
01:08:20
any of these murders so that would make sense to me too if that wants to kind of
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shy away from that in the in the portion of questioning on the Stern Show but when he was locked up in jail in
01:08:32
Florida facing some kind of charges there these weren't murder charges we had inmates telling law
01:08:41
enforcement that this is what this dude told us he was up to and apparently if we are to believe these jailhouse niches
01:08:50
what they're claiming is that Russell Elwood told them that his thing was he liked
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to he liked to pick up a a a street walker he he would get them to do drugs whatever their drug of choice was it
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could be heroin crack cocaine what have you but he would get them to shoot up he
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wanted them to overdose in his in his presence and sometimes I think he's having sex with
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them while they're overdosing and then he has to if they don't completely overdose
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then he has to kill them by other means after the fact and that he just kind of left his victims on the side of the road
01:09:30
because he had no real attachment to them there was no nothing connecting him connecting victim to perpetrator in
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those cases so he didn't feel compelled to conceal the bodies or go to any Great
01:09:43
Lengths or efforts to kind of conceal the bodies now that doesn't really fall in line with what
01:09:51
clay tells Howard on the phone because clay says that most of them he killed with a hammer and one of them he
01:09:58
strangled where the jail house snitches are telling us that oh well L would like
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to make them overdose having sex with them while they're overdosing and with some of them he I think one of the
01:10:11
victims he she didn't die so he drowned her one of them I believe he claimed that he that he strangled her but at no
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point in any of those in any of that information could I find the use of a hammer which seems to be what Clay is
01:10:25
saying that he's done with with most of the victims I could see his voice matching his picture well what I think
01:10:34
is probably most likely in this situation again when we talk about this list of 206 victims here uh we probably have a
01:10:43
situation where we have mul multiple perpetrators Victor gance probably responsible for a couple maybe two to
01:10:51
four of these Russell Elwood's probably responsible for a handful of these murders as well and this clay individual
01:10:59
who called in could be who he says he is and some of his victims could be on this
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list as well and it's just a a a tricky a tricky situation here now on the Stern
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Show we do know that it's not uncommon for them to have fake phone calls right in fact they they employ people that
01:11:19
call the Howard Stern Show pretending to be legit callers somebody starts making
01:11:24
prank phone calls to them and they're so entertaining that they offer them jobs yeah and so they would off they would
01:11:31
regularly have these fake calls but one thing I want to say about that is that Howard typically will move on from those
01:11:39
calls relatively quickly like unless their home run comedy Smash Hits he moves on from those calls very quickly
01:11:47
and a lot of times especially in the last 10 15 years he's also quick to point out well not quick to point out
01:11:54
but toward the the end of the phone call he'll point out that it's somebody in the back you know that it's one of their
01:12:01
staff and they've they've come up with something because that might become a character that you will regularly hear
01:12:07
on the show going forward because it was such a Smash Hit now a longtime listener
01:12:13
here telling you I don't know of a situation where somebody claims to be calling in with a serious matter there's
01:12:20
nothing more serious than discussing the taking of one's life I I can't recall knowing of a fake call
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to be saying something of that weight of that gravity so now is it out of the realm of
01:12:35
possibility no because we know that he was was and is a shock jock and who knows what lengths they would go to to
01:12:43
shock the audience to grow the audience or keep the audience but I have a feeling here that if this is a fake call
01:12:51
then Clay is the fake is is the fake here not somebody calling in from the back that this is not a
01:12:58
manufactured call from somebody on the Stern staff well I also put a little weight to the fact that they've never
01:13:04
discussed it afterwards like I said they could have been CAU they could have been
01:13:08
contact by New Orleans police maybe even a a lawyer and and maybe that's one of the reasons why they they've never
01:13:17
discussed it afterwards or on the flip side they realized it was a fake and that's why they've never brought it up
01:13:26
again now I would believe captain that the BSU from the FBI would tell Stern and the local serial murder task force
01:13:35
that they had established there in New Orleans at the time this guy talking is our best weapon we want to keep him
01:13:43
talking so let's have him reach out let's give him a uh let's put him on speed dial so he can reach out and
01:13:50
communicate with Stern or somebody on the local level because he seems to want to talk and he's going to be able to
01:13:57
offer up some Clues if in fact he is who he says he is and we've kind of been discussing this gearing up and getting
01:14:05
ready for this and I think we both uh have similar thoughts and opinions no strong gut feeling either
01:14:14
way if I had to bet I would say that Clay is an actual serial killer I think that's
01:14:23
because the devils and the details and how quickly he comes up with those details and also I find it interesting
01:14:32
on how many times that he corrects Howard and so when he says like oh well I I originally wrote some notes and
01:14:41
tried to put out some Clues and and and wanted to get some press and and then when Howard like contradicts him on that
01:14:49
he he repeats oh no no I originally wanted that I orig originally wanted Fame I think if you're if he was lying
01:14:57
to Howard about that and then Howard went in a different direction you wouldn't maybe maybe you wouldn't double
01:15:04
down but maybe you'd just move on and just let let him be incorrect again the other reason why I would lean towards or
01:15:12
if I had to bet that he is telling the truth is when they state New Orleans and how shocked he seems and almost where
01:15:22
I'm not even going to deny that they must know somehow that I'm from New Orleans and so I have to give up that
01:15:28
information he doesn't seem initially like he wanted to give that up where I question myself here Captain is whether
01:15:36
this caller is in fact who he says he is I I think he's probably legit if I had to if I had to just give a simple answer
01:15:44
that would be it but a a longer less simple answer would be one I'm a little shocked at how long he stayed on the
01:15:52
phone if he is who he says he is because he doesn't strike me to be dumb or ignorant to the fact that there's law
01:16:00
enforcement looking for him so I'm a little surprised at how long he stays on the call itself and I also wouldn't be
01:16:08
surprised if he's fluffed his numbers a little bit where he says I've killed 12 but maybe he's not killed that many
01:16:13
people uh maybe he he he still could be who he says he is and not have killed 12
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