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this takes place in Philadelphia back in July 29th of 200000 two young sisters played outside while waiting for their
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mother to return from across the street street with dinner Ariana De Jesus and her sister had been riding bikes in the
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neighborhood and enjoying the summer as kids will do when their mother returned with dinner just a few minutes later
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5-year-old Ariana was nowhere to be found now the little girl was reported missing and the neighbors helped search
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for the young girl for several days well on August 3rd the remains of a child were found in an empty apartment
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building in the family's neighborhood not far from where she was last seen it was soon confirmed that that the body
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was that of Ariana De Jesus it was discovered that the young girl had been raped and then strangled before her body
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was placed in a trash bag and left underneath heavy rolls of carpet in the apartment building near the body was a
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t-shirt with a political logo on it this t-shirt also contained the blood of the
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little girl a resident of the apartment building this is Jorge kraz MH he recognized the shirt as one that he had
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lent to a home homeless Drifter known to him only as Carlos so earlier that same
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summer Jorge took pity on this young homeless man he gave him clothing he gave him shelter he even gave him a job
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to do he worked at Hunting Park uh Carlos worked there about 3 days a week now Jorge Kraus he had to go out of town
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this is the weekend of July 29th and when he went out of town he gave Carlos a set of keys this is to an apartment so
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that he would have access to the building so he could get in there and do some work while the man was away now
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another girl in the neighborhood would eventually tell police that she had seen Ariana walking with a Hispanic male this
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is the evening that she had gone missing and that she was holding the man's hand
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they were walking in the direction of the apartment building where the body was later found after that night Carlos
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was nowhere to be found in Philadelphia nowhere in the neighborhood a sketch Was
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Made of This Carlos and DNA that was found at the crime scene was entered into a National Database this is the
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cotus database in hopes of finding out more about this suspect unfortunately no matches turned up and tips of the
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suspect's whereabouts turned up empty the case soon turned cold since he had not been seen since the girl went
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missing Carlos then became wanted for questioning we mentioned the sketch of him as well this was profiled on the
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show America's Most Wanted M but later police are going to get a huge break in this very tragic unsolved murder a man
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named named Alexis Flores he was arrested in Phoenix Arizona for shoplifting in 2002 and two years later
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police came to flor's Residence in response to a noise complaint while talking to him he ends up giving the
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officers fraudulent identity documents well possession of these items in Arizona is a felony uh so he is arrested
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and when he's arrested they noted that his demeanor was welcoming and friendly uh they really didn't have anything bad
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to say about the guy he didn't go you know he didn't put up a fight when he was arrested but they ended up searching
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his apartment after he's arrested for further investigation officers noticed pornography spread out across the floors
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he also had a refrigerator that was fully stocked with Kool-Aid I wonder what color it was well the officers
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noted in their police report the items that they found to be strange in his apartment now on both of these charges
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both the shoplifting and the forgery or the fraudulent identity documents char he is arrested and convicted on both of
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these charges right M well the forgery charge from 2005 is a felony so because of this they took his DNA at that time
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he served 60 days for this felony charge in 2005 now Flores was deported to Honduras uh this is where he told police
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that he was originally from it wasn't until the following year this is in 2006 that flor's DNA was added to cotus or
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the combined DNA index system so codus is a generic term used to describe the FBI support program for criminal justice
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DNA databases in 2007 a positive match was made between his DNA and the sample that was found way back when at the
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apartment building where Ariana was killed and I'll post a picture of Flores but uh he has black hair brown eyes he's
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about 5'4 so pretty small 130 to 140 lbs he's he's slim a light complexion he also has a scar on his forehead and
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right cheek well after the DNA match was confirmed an arrest warrant was issued by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
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charging Flores with murder now in June of 2007 the Federal Bureau of Investigation added flores's name to the
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most wanted list in an effort to catch the suspect in this grizzly murder of a young Pennsylvania girl fles replaced
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shant Henderson on the list this was an alleged Kansas City gang member who was caught on March 31st of that year now
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the same day she was placed on the list was the same day she was apprehended so he replaces her and now they're offering
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a $100,000 reward for information that leads to the capture of Alexa Flores the thing here is though uh authorities do
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believe that Flores is probably still living in Honduras where they sent him back to after he commed the felony right
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um but regardless you know we saw the situation yesterday when we talked about van whis you know we were able to get
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him extradited back from Mexico so he could finally serve out that that prison sentence that he deserves for murder and
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the the authorities here are very they're still very determined to bring him to justice for the murder of a
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little girl and as always when we see with these Predators these people that rape and kill the concern a big concern
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and this should be a concern for the people of Honduras you know this is why you want to get this guy out of your
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country do you want to is that what you want to tell your people that you know we understand that you're from this
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country you go off to another country and you commit horrible acts against very innocent people against children
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yeah and then guess what you can just come back here and we will house you and you won't ever have to seek you won't
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ever have to serve punishment or jail time for your crimes that's not what you want to tell your people you know I
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think that I think regardless if you agree with our punishments or or our prison system or or the the structure of
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society that we've created here I think you tell your people you know what if you do the crime you're going to have to
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go back to that place and you're going to have to face trial he raped his victim mhm so I'm going to had put money
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on the fact that this was not his first victim as far as a sexual assault goes so you have that threat you know it's
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not just the murder threat uh of somebody or child in Honduras we have sexual assault threats that you know and
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that needs to be taken very serious yeah and I mean who who knows maybe Kool-Aid
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is his beverage of choice I don't know everybody enjoys a nice glass of Kool-Aid every now and then what are you
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get out with Kool-Aid but I'm just saying that it's it seems like it would be something that you would use to lure
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a child or a young potential victim with you know so it to me I feel like we have
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a guy here that is is extremely dangerous right so you're just assuming that you know this guy that he has
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Kool-Aid for children that that is my assumption yes I was just going to assume that he has it because he's you
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know a thirsty man well but also it's cheap mhm so we just lost our Kool-Aid sponsor yeah I just to me this guy just
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just screams danger and I think that regardless of where he's hiding they should be happy to send him back here to
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face trial well and this is kind of deceiving you know his age is a little deceiving because he he is so small yeah
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and he's got a very youngl looking face yeah I mean he looks uh in the one picture I mean he looks 12 um so I think
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that's going to be hard for people to identify this individual well just a couple notes of the most wanted poster
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featuring Flores uh you know he's gone over he's gone by several different aliases over the years but more
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importantly you know we're we're noting how young he looks he's also given several different birth dates over the
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time and they don't seem to be 100% convinced of where he was born right let me read those off so he states that he
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was born in 1975 1982 1980 and then again 1982 mhm so you know he's going to be 35 to you know 40 years old if any of
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those dates are correct at all or 42 years old and he and like I said and the one picture he looks like maybe 12 and
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the other picture maybe 16 17 so who knows yeah and the other thing make sure you go to fbi.gov wanted check out the
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pictures of all these individuals that are wanted by the FBI who knows maybe you can help in one of these cases now
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this next case here Captain is one that has been featured on you know yesterday we talked briefly about Unsolved
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Mysteries in America's Most Wanted this one has been featured on both of the those shows uh this our story takes us
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back to March 2nd 1976 and this starts in a wooded swamp area off of North Carolina Highway 94
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which is about 5 miles south of Columbia North Carolina now around noon that day
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you know out in this area this is a heavily wooded area so they have these forestry Towers yeah I know I've seen
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Dawson's Creek yeah so with these towers Captain they are looking for anything that could go wrong in the area well on
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this date around noon they spot a fire which is a big concern out here because this could quickly turn into a forest
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fire so they send a uh they dispatch a ranger out to the area where the smoke is rising from the trees right the fire
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had started to spread a little bit by this time by the time the ranger arrived but once he was there he discovered a
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hole somebody had dug a hole and what he first thought was burning in the hole was an animal carcass well he puts out
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the fire and he then can see that there is a shoe sticking out of out of these burned charred remains that are in the
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hole well he gets police out there and they look through the area and they pull a body out of the hole well underneath
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that body is another one and then another one and then another one Unfortunately they end up finding five
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total bodies in this hole and they said that it it got so TR atic to the officers there that every time they
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pulled one out they were praying that they would see the bottom of this hole now the hole was quite wide and it was
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about 3ot deep but the way that the officers described it was that somebody had simply dug this hole filled it with
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these bodies they also found a gas can and a shovel there and they must have just tossed you know doused it with
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gasoline lit it on fire and took off now they stated that the area itself was only about a mile away from one of these
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forestry Towers so whoever set this fire they didn't leave that scene too too much earlier than these guys had arrived
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to find what was burning right so they almost ran into the suspect correct and the thing here is like we said they got
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immediate problems with this crime scene and with the victims and that being one
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that the victims are so badly burned that they can't identify them right okay and then second of all they don't have
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anybody missing they don't have anybody as reported missing let alone five people five people that might have been
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traveling together they might live together or they might be un unknown to one another who knows at this point so
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the the problem is we've got to figure out one who is in this who was in this hole and two who put them there so back
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then you know we have you know it's not the same landscape as it is today regarding detective work so back then
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they had to they had to hit the pavement and these guys my hat is off to them because they hit it pretty hard the only
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clue that they found at the scene was the gas can and was the shovel now on the shovel there was like there was a
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bit of a a price tag you know like a maybe half of a price tag on there and they could make out the letters OC c h
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and then there's a space H DW so back then they're looking for a hardware store right and their thought
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is well there's no hardware store in this area that ends with the letters OC C so to investigators hop in a car and
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they start driving and they go from town to town and while they're you know they
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have people at their office contacting police departments in the surrounding areas asking simple questions like is
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there a hardware store in your neighborhood or in your neck of the woods with with it would end in OC right
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nowadays they can just go back to their desk and Google this mhm they're out driving for quite some time and they
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make it all the way up to the Washington DC area and once they're there they are
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told by the police department there that there is a a hardware store in a suburb
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of this area that is called Pac hardware store so P yeah and they're going to talk to the people in the hardware store
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but they're not going to be able to tell them who bought this item again because
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it's you know 76 right uh they don't have these records they can't just pull up on their database especially if it
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was a cash purchase right in my local town like late ' 80s early '90s when you'd go to the hardware store they
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would do handwritten receipts mhm so I mean could couldn't imagine what their system was right you would be you'd be
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searching through boxes of piles of receipts trying to come up with a name um so the investigators they don't
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really know what to do with this lead they they feel confident that they've traced the shovel back to where it was
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purchased from however so they don't really know what else they can do in this area they
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decide that what they're going to do is they're going to place a poster in the hardware store that's saying that you
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know we have some missing persons that were found in deceased in North Carolina and we need your help if you know
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anything if you've seen anything let us know I guess on this poster you know we have five victims but they only put four
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victims pictures on there um because one of them was so badly burned that it might have been either horrifying to
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look at or of no useful help at all um well I'm sure they're not putting pictures of the burnt bodies on there
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they had to they didn't know who these people were wow so they're posting in public
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mhm ah man that would be Char charred victims could you imagine you're just going you know going to get charcoal
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that's bad oh uh if you're going to go get a um some malt something and then you have you see this photo mhm that
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scar you know think about all the kids that walked by that well according to police reports this would be about a
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week later on March 10th there was a neighbor uh he lived in the neighborhood in a neighborhood in Bethesda now he
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grew concerned about the family next door about their absence claiming that that he had not seen them for about a
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week so this neighbor contacted the local police who dis dispatched a detective to the home now after meeting
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with the neighbor who had a key to the home uh the detective used the key to get into the home to see if anything was
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wrong as he approached the front door he found blood droplets on the front porch
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and he entered the home only to discover that there was blood spatter everywhere
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it was on the floor it was on the walls it was in the bedrooms uh some of it even covered the ceilings right and the
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blood on the porch gives the officer their probable cause yes this detective stated that in his 12 years as a police
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officer and still to this day um this was the worst crime scene he had ever observed now whose home was this this
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was the home of the bishop family uh this was a family of five plus uh we have Brad Bishop he's the father his
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mother lives there with the family as well well it doesn't take too long Captain for them to figure out who was
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in that hole because using dental records they confirmed that the bodies found in North Carolina were that of
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Bishop's Wife his mother and his three sons and our Target suspect is going to be obviously the Father William Bradford
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2023 [Music] all right we're back cheers mates so who is William Bradford Bishop Jr well he
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goes by Brad bishop and he's a pretty accomplished Man by the time of 1976 uh he has he has graduated from
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Yale he also has a master's degree in an Italian from middleberry college um so this is a a well schooled schooled well
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educated man yeah at list that he speaks five languages and that he also his occupation was United States government
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Foreign Service Officer yeah and before he worked for the US state department he
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spent four years in the US Army where he worked in Counter Intelligence um so this is a guy that
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has a bit of a unique background well he spent a lot of time working as the captain had said in the US foreign
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service this was for many postings over Seas uh some of the postings included Italian cities um and he was I mean he
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was well traveled well educated the thing here is Captain when he was working for the US state department they
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have a a bit of a a situation where it's like this it's an up or out situation meaning that you either keep getting
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promoted year after year to new job assignments or once you stop receiving these promotions well you get fired you
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get let go right this is the same thing I've been trying to tell you about the garage I mean if you don't take the the
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position of Colonel we're going to have to get rid of you well I've applied and there are several people that will vouch
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for my uh you have not applied ability you have not applied you keep denying the requests of Colonel you know what I
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tell you what Captain there's only two of us here in the garage so I really think my best ability is my availability
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so I'm here I should get the job the thing here is Captain so he by this point in 1976 he no longer working
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overseas when he worked overseas his family was there with him and it's a it's a much different lifestyle when
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you're at these different postings in other cities throughout the world you know you receive a whole bunch of
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Privileges and on top of that you get your regular salary but you're also you basically have no cost of living you
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know they're providing housing for you Transportation things of that nature so when you have to come back and start
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working in the United States you still collect your salary but now you have to pay for cost of living and this guy he
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liked to live a bit of a lavish lifestyle when he could he got used to that overseas so back in the United
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States um they take in his mother who's living with them and maybe from the outside looking in it looks like you're
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doing something nice for your mother you know she has a place to stay and you're
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helping her out but one thing investigators were able to figure out was that the situation wasn't quite that
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Mom was really helping out more than what br D was helping out okay so Mom is not only helping with the children and
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cooking meals and things like that but she's also helping the family financially well in early
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1976 Brad Bishop he was anticipating a promotion at work remember we said this is an upper out program and on the
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afternoon of March 1st 1976 he actually learned that he was not going to receive
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the promotion that he had sought after learning this uh information his co-workers would say that he seemed EX
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extremely angry um and he told his secretary that he was not feeling well and he left work early that day now just
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outside of the building in which he worked he came across one of his co-workers and his co-workers said to
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him hey Brad you know what's wrong you look like you've lost your last friend and Brad says to his coworker he says
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you know well it's official I didn't get the promotion that I was looking for his
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coworker says to him well I didn't get the promotion I was looking for either MH he says you know Brad just take it
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easy you should just go home try to get some sleep tomorrow is a new day give me
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a call next week and we'll try to figure something out well Brad is a bit of an arrogant dude his name's Brad and Brad
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says to his coworker um you know I know you didn't get your promotion but I was much more deserving of the promotion
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that I was seeking so the cooworker says unfortunately he never heard from Brad Bishop again well fortunately he didn't
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police police have figured out that after he left that day from the U US State Department headquarters he went to
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a bank where he withdrew several hundreds of dollars he then drove to a Montgomery Mall and bought a
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sledgehammer and a gas can at the Sears from there he filled he went to a gas station and filled the gas can as well
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as filling up his vehicle this is a station wagon um and from there he drove to pox Hardware which this was the time
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where he uh purchased the shovel right The Smoking Gun mhm well after this he returned to his home and police believed
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that he would have got there between 730 and 8:00 p.m. after dinner he and his wife put the children to bed and after
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which his wife went into the study and she's working on some correspondence and such and his mother decided to take the
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family's dog this is a golden retriever for a walk well while his mother is gone
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on the walk Brad he attacks his wife in the study and this Sledgehammer we said he bought
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a sledgehammer but it's not you know the big long handled Sledgehammer it's it's
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got the sledgehammer head with a more traditional uh handle of a hammer so it's a handheld deal and he attacks her
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in the study they could determine this by the amount of blood that was found in the study they belied that after he had
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killed his wife that he carried her into their bedroom and placed her on the bed
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and closing the door he then went upstairs into the children's bedrooms and attacked them as they slept now one
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of the kids slept in a bunk bed and so one thing that the police found incredibly disturbing amongst all the
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blood that was in the house was the number of times that they could tell that when he was pulling the
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sledgehammer up that he was hitting the ceiling and and making marks and holes in the ceiling and the number of times
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that he had to do do that while he killed his child this is an animal mhm well his mother would return from
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walking the dog and they believed that she must have spotted some of the blood because she apparently tried to lock
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herself in the bathroom to get away from Brad well Brad he kicks in the door um and it's not so easy you know he really
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had to beat down this door to get into the bathroom and there he killed his mother
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from there they believe that he cleaned himself up that he took a shower maybe a
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change of clothes and then he loaded all of the bodies of his family into the family station wagon from there he drove
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over 275 miles down to that spot in North Carolina where on the next day he dug the shallow hole and He piled the
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bodies into the hole and DED them with gasoline and set them Ablaze it seemed like he had um definitive plan yeah
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here's the thing captain and this is one thing I found extremely interesting was
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investigators wondered why he wouldn't have just buried his family you know because they state that yeah at some
00:31:11
point we would have noticed that this empty house you know there was nobody in this house anymore and we have some
00:31:16
missing persons but this was oh we have tons of blood yeah but the thing here is
00:31:22
he could have eventually cleaned up that house uh any number of things could have
00:31:26
happened and they just really wonder why he didn't bury them because they really
00:31:30
believe given the location that he chose to set this fire that they may have never found the bodies of his family
00:31:38
right and in an interview remember I said this was covered on Unsolved Mysteries and America's Most Wanted uh
00:31:45
later it was covered on the hunt you know the the John Walsh show right and on that show they had an interview with
00:31:51
the psychiatrist that that said you know for in his opinion for Brad killing his
00:31:58
family his family the murders didn't stop when they were dead for for Brad the murders stopped after he drove the
00:32:05
bodies out into the woods dug the hole and set him on fire and almost the the his the because he's such a psychopath
00:32:15
and that he was such a narcissist that he believed that these people were holding him back that he couldn't live
00:32:22
the life that he wanted to live because of his family and the psychiatrist believes in his opinion that the murders
00:32:31
weren't over until he set that fire and somebody found the bodies of his family yeah well like I said before this you
00:32:39
know Brad is a animal mhm but um what made him that way I don't know I mean look he was in the service during the
00:32:48
Vietnam War what testings were being done right mhm so I mean I I think you know he was you know you know a spy at
00:32:58
at one point right mhm so you know what was done to him was it as simple as this
00:33:05
guy was a psychopath and he didn't get a promotion and that made him snap and then he killed everybody in his family
00:33:12
you know or was there something deeper that happened yeah and he was on some medications for some um for some mental
00:33:22
illnesses let's say um they also believe that he may have suffered from some form
00:33:27
of insomnia uh but regardless oh yeah because you know when you can't sleep you just kill everybody in your family
00:33:34
right I don't I don't want to make it sound like we're sympathizing for this guy you know this guy clearly could not
00:33:40
handle the stresses in his life that was brought upon by his own choices that he
00:33:45
made in life maybe his choices I'm just saying look you know you're like we said
00:33:50
he speaks five languages he he's you know overseas doing intelligence work what what what did this guy go through
00:34:00
I'm just saying like I I think the how this individual got to this point uh to to be able to kill uh not only his wife
00:34:08
but his children and then his mother I mean you have to what did you go through I think that that's the mystery to me
00:34:17
right because we all want to know why when something like this happens I mean this is one of the most horrible things
00:34:22
you can think of you want to know why how the hell did it get to be this way I mean we we may never know we may never
00:34:30
know but but I will throw out there this you know you have other options you can
00:34:35
just walk away you can just walk away and not you know end the lives of these people that are supposed to be your
00:34:41
loved ones right but it's sometimes it's not that simple that's all I'm saying is
00:34:45
we don't know what this individual went through I'm not trying to sympathize with them but you know there was a lot
00:34:50
of testing done with you know LSD for example you know you you do these kind of testings right on these individuals
00:34:58
and we they did it with u they did testing on Ted gazinski and look what happened there you know so there is a
00:35:05
consequence if they're running these tests I'm just wondering if he was a part of that because it seems like in
00:35:11
his professional life that's the uh Community he was surrounded by mhm yeah but I mean I I get it I get and I have
00:35:19
no evidence of that right I get what you're saying I think I I guess what I keep going back to is the cowardliness
00:35:25
of killing the people ambushing them and then you he didn't bother to take his own life you know he he clearly valued
00:35:33
his own life much more we know than than theirs and he chose instead of walking away he chose to kill them and then walk
00:35:41
away well let's get back on the trail of Brad Bishop uh real fast here uh so they
00:35:47
believe the police believe that uh and later confirmed this that that same day that he lit the fire that Bishop visited
00:35:54
a sporting goods store in Jacksonville North Carolina uh there he used a credit card to purchase some tennis shoes they
00:36:02
believe that because of you know digging the hole and all the work that he did up
00:36:06
in those up in that forested area that he was in need of some new shoes now the strange thing here is according to one
00:36:15
witness there were there were several people that had seen him at the sporting goods store but according to one witness
00:36:21
he had a f he had the family dog with him on a leash and was possibly accompanied by a woman described as dark
00:36:30
skinned um this would be the only report of seeing him with a with a woman so it
00:36:36
might just have been somebody walking near him I don't know the details of that eyewitness account um now we have
00:36:44
on March 18th the bishop family car that was the station wagon that we had mentioned it was found abandoned in an
00:36:51
isolated camping ground in Tennessee this is in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park uh the car contained dog
00:36:59
biscuits a bloody blanket a shotgun an axxe a shaving kit and it also contained his the medication that he was on at the
00:37:09
time the spare tire well in the trunk of the car was full of blood this is where
00:37:15
he had stacked the bodies uh when he was transporting them now according to witnesses there uh the car had been
00:37:23
there since approximately March 5th or 6th or 7th they couldn't narrow it down but they believe that it could have been
00:37:30
there as early as March 5th police theorized that Bishop from there would have left on foot on the Appalachian
00:37:38
Trail right but that's that's not an easy Trail to to manage MH man people planned that out for years and years to
00:37:46
go through that trail well while they were there after finding the vehicle they decided that they were going to try
00:37:52
to track uh Mr Bishop using blood hound dogs m um they were unsuccessful in their attempt now on March 19th uh a
00:38:02
grand jury indicted Bishop on five counts of first-degree murder and several other charges and obviously they
00:38:09
have plenty of evidence for these charges and there was some sightings of uh Brad after this as well yeah there
00:38:16
were a lot of sightings of him and a few that they list as credible um but one thing here Captain the the police have
00:38:24
an uphill battle I mean MH I'm not suggesting that they're not intelligent but we're dealing with a man of a
00:38:31
certain High Intelligence here also you know with the ability to speak many different languages he can fit in you
00:38:38
know in different localities all over the world it's not that he's like some genius but he was also trained by our
00:38:44
government M en Counter Intelligence have you and the thing here is Bishop had approximately one week of advanced
00:38:52
time before the authorities began looking for him and during that time he could have even used his passport to
00:38:58
travel outside of the US you know keep in mind the methods of air travel and immigration back in 1976 and throughout
00:39:05
Mo much of the world were much different back then he could have easily traveled
00:39:10
and avoided leaving a paper trail of any kind right my name is Frank Aban and like you had said Captain uh Bishop had
00:39:18
been cited a number of times in various European countries over the years and there were a few credible sightings um
00:39:26
and of those let's go through those real quick in July of 1978 a Swedish woman uh who said that
00:39:34
she had worked with Bishop while on a business trip in Ethiopia uh she reported having spotted him twice in a
00:39:42
public park in Stockholm Sweden uh during a span of one week she stated that she is absolutely certain that the
00:39:50
man she saw in the park is Brad Bishop now let's fast forward to the following F year in January of 1979 Bishop was
00:40:00
reportedly seen by a former US state department colleague in a restroom in sarento Italy um the the colleague the
00:40:10
colleague spoke to him uh I've heard an interview with this guy and he says you know this is a an old dude I like these
00:40:16
Old-Timers he says this is an old dude he's an old dude man he's he's probably in his late 70s by now it's strange
00:40:23
enough this is the same guy that saw Brad Bishop when he found out he was not getting promoted well the guy that
00:40:30
wasn't as qualified right that Brad told him you you're less deserving than me you don't deserve this so in his
00:40:36
interview he starts off the interview by saying you know what I don't I don't normally speak to people in men's
00:40:43
restrooms it's kind of an old dude thing but anyway he says that he went into the
00:40:47
restroom I don't like to do that either and there's a you know there's a dude standing there and of course he's go to
00:40:52
you know you got to get up on the wall and sometimes you have to stand next to somebody and so he's standing next to
00:40:57
him and he's he looks over and he he said the guy is has why the long face he has a beard wow and he said you know
00:41:06
what immediately when I looked at the guy even after you know after several years he goes I knew right away who this
00:41:13
was right cuz he's the [ __ ] that told you that you weren't qualified yeah you never forget that face yeah you don't
00:41:19
forget an [ __ ] beard or no beard so he says to the guy he he just says you're Brad Bishop aren't you right and
00:41:25
he say as soon as the words came out of his mouth that the man started shaking and he and he kind of jumped back and
00:41:33
he's he's shouted out something and he ran out of the restroom well he tried to follow him and he eventually this guy
00:41:41
that he believes to be Brad Bishop took off and ran down an alley now we also have a situation this is some real Jason
00:41:48
Bourne stuff right there yeah we have this situation in 1994 September 19th 1994 uh this is is in Switzerland uh on
00:41:58
a train and a person who had known bishop and his family back from Bethesda was on vacation in Europe and reported
00:42:07
that she had seen Bishop uh just a few feet away from her on the train and she stated that uh the bishop appeared to be
00:42:16
well groomed uh at the time of he didn't have a beard he he went through his beard phase he got rid of the beard well
00:42:22
he's probably you know could be changing his appearance you know constantly during his time on the run so I mean
00:42:29
it's most likely that uh Brad Bishop is in the UK well somewhere in Europe is what I think that they're stating here
00:42:38
um a quick little profile here Captain the FBI states that Bishop was an avid Outdoorsman who enjoyed camping and
00:42:45
Hiking he does have a pilot's license so not only does he speak all these different languages he has the ability
00:42:52
to fly um he also has a 6in vertical scar on his lower back from a surgery I thought you going to say 6 in vertical
00:43:00
leap I was like what does that have to do with anything he has a cliff chin and he has a mole on the left side of his
00:43:06
face now police believe that Bishop uh left with his passport they found all of the other passports of his family in
00:43:15
their home they did not find his uh they also believed that he would have had his
00:43:19
yil class ring with him when he vanished who knows if he still would have this to
00:43:24
this day now itive status the police they believe as of 2010 um that he was still alive possibly
00:43:33
living in Switzerland Italy or some other location in Europe now here's a weird thing that they kind of throw in
00:43:40
here with really nothing to back it up they say that he still might be in the United States possibly in California
00:43:48
where if if this were to have been him that they believe he may have worked as a teacher at some point and possibly
00:43:56
have been involved in more criminal activities it's weird yeah nothing really to back that up it seems like
00:44:02
there's a lot more to back up the the thought that he could be in Europe somewhere would be easier to teach over
00:44:08
there I mean we got a guy that's fluent in multiple languages for him to be able
00:44:12
to go I mean they'll take non- College gra graduates and teach English over there sometimes so I could see that
00:44:19
being a possibility but you know the the thing about William Brad Bradford Bishop
00:44:25
is um he he'd be in his 80s yeah he would be uh he would be roughly 80 years old yeah right so if he did not kill
00:44:36
himself if uh these sightings were accurate and he lived you know life outside of this uh crime uh he's
00:44:44
probably dead or going to be dead soon uh yes um I I don't know that this this 100% rules out you know possibility of
00:44:54
suicide or if he was killed in another way but during the time of their investigation in the mid to late '70s
00:45:00
they were checking any unidentified male bodies in the area um and they confirmed
00:45:06
they couldn't confirm any of them to be that of Brad Bishop there was a situation in 2014 where there was an
00:45:13
unidentified man who had been killed uh in a hit-and run situation in Alabama um
00:45:19
and they had checked his body to see if he would be Brad bishop and of course that was not the case now now for a
00:45:26
little more uh information on Brad Bishop of course you can go to fbi.gov wanted now on there they have a 2014 age
00:45:36
progression sculpture um this was requested by the FBI and a forensic artist uh created this sculpture hideous
00:45:45
it it's I mean not the work itself it's great work but this guy becomes hideous yeah and this would be uh him projected
00:45:54
his projected appearance in the this sculpture would be at the age of 77 and FYI this show was not sponsored by uh
00:46:03
fbi.gov wanted just to let you know yeah we keep saying that but we we're just hoping
00:46:09
that people will check that website you know periodically check it out you know from time to time remind yourself that
00:46:14
there are people out there that need uh to be apprehended they need to be questioned they need to be brought to
00:46:20
trial um and we can all certainly do our part we've seen the high success rate that they have bi has had using the
00:46:27
Public's assistance so uh we're all in this together well we used to be in this together with you but this you know the
00:46:34
garage and parts unnown is you know move up or move on so uh you'll be moving on oh it's been real well thanks for
00:46:45
joining us in the garage over the last uh 31 episodes as of today all right well we need to wrap this one up yeah so
00:46:54
how about a little recommended reading here Captain yes sir this week we recommend who killed Bob Crane the final
00:47:00
closeup by John hook uh Bob Crane is best known for his performance is Colonel Robert Hogan on the old show the
00:47:07
old CBS show Hogan's Heroes uh the season the series aired from 1965 to 1971 but on the afternoon of June 29th
00:47:18
1978 uh Crane's co-star Victoria an Barry entered his apartment after he failed to show up for a lunch meeting
00:47:26
and discovered his dead body now crane had been bludgeon to death with a weapon that was never identified though
00:47:34
investigators believed it to be a camera tripod an electrical cord had been Tri tied around his neck uh his murder
00:47:42
remains unsolved there was an arrest police arrested Crane's friend John Carpenter the two the two friends had a
00:47:49
weird dark Obsession this was videotaping women during sexual encounters Carpenter went to trial but
00:47:57
was acquitted so now we're left asking who killed Bob Crane was it Carpenter or was it someone else so check out well
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this is not John Carpenter the Halloween John Carpenter not the famous John Carpenter this is this some hanger on
00:48:11
that was friends with Bob Crane yeah John Henry Carpenter yeah so check out who killed Bob Crane by John hook you
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