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[Music] crime [Music] [Music] when an adult goes missing Without a Trace often families struggle to get law
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enforcement to take the case of their loved ones disappearance seriously and urgently adults after all are capable of
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making their own decisions leading their own lives without answering to others as adults we have the freedom to take
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off at a moment's notice and the freedom to make drastic decisions some that can
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lead to devastating consequences it is the missing person's family that is Left Behind to put the
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pieces of the puzzle together some families have been left searching forever we have heard so many times that
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mother will always leave the light on for you but parents brothers and sisters sometimes pass away never knowing what
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happened to their loved one all of their questions go unanswered don't let this be one of
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those cases William Paul smolinsky Jr was born January 14th 1973 he went by the name of
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Billy his missing Flyers describe him as a Caucasian male 6' tall 200 lb with brown hair hair and blue eyes he had a
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pierce left ear a tattoo of a blue cross on his left shoulder and a tattoo on his
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forearm that read puit P Ru I TT the last reported sighting of him was August 24th 2004 at his home in Waterberry
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Connecticut Billy smolinsky was 31 years old when he disappeared this is true crime
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garage [Music] at the time of his disappearance Billy smolinski lived in Waterbury a
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workingclass town located about a half hour from Hartford Connecticut Billy worked three jobs and he loved wrenching
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on cars Captain there are several problems with Billy's disappearance but the one
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of most concern is plain and simply this since Billy disappeared Without a Trace
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and Foul Play is suspected no one can be 100% certain who was the last person to
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see him or to talk to him lots of people could have motivation to lie about their
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last contact with Billy some things have been verified by police which we will indicate when we discuss them but the
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general facts according to Billy's family friends and police reports are these on Tuesday August 24th Billy
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purchased a meal at a Burger King restaurant in Waterberry Connecticut he ordered Burger King's signature
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hamburger the Whopper mhm I'm getting hungry for lunch here and he got a cheeseburger medium fries and a
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Coca-Cola the receipt for this meal was timestamped 2:59 p.m. according to police reports at around 5:00 p.m. on
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August 24th Billy knocked on the door of his neighbor this is Roy Henley and said
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the following I'm heading up North and I put that in air quotes there up North for 3 Days to look at a car that I'm
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considering buying could you please look after Harley now Harley is Billy's beloved German Shepherd Billy told the
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neighbor where he had placed a key to the house so that Roy could get in and feed the dog and let the dog out
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now according to Roy he and Billy also briefly discussed Billy's very fresh breakup with his girlfriend after this
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conversation with Roy Billy returned home and Roy never saw him after that so let's stop here captain and think about
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this story for a second Billy was known to buy and fix up old cars so this story
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makes some sense is there any animosity between him and his neighbor well I think the thought here is
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this this would be the reported last sighting of Billy that we would know of okay and the thought here is there's
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foul Foul Play suspected against Billy and that's why we believe he's still missing to this day now who was the
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perpetrator of that we don't know so therefore if Roy had been somebody to have done something to him then he could
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have fabricated this story that hey he came over and asked me to watch the dog right but there's is there evidence or
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not of animosity between the two okay so I don't know I don't know how much animosity there would have been other
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than we have some reports of of two things one Billy it wouldn't be common for him to ask somebody to watch his dog
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for him MH so that seems odd and two there are people that say Billy didn't really care for Roy and that's about as
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much of a description as we have about the relationship between the two now we all know you know you live next
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to people you have friends you have family there are times that there are people that you like in the long run but
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you may have a bad day with them from time to time and maybe you just tell somebody hey don't really care for Roy
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you know maybe you just had a bad day with Roy and Roy's actually pretty fine and your relationship together is pretty
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fine overall well sometimes with especially with neighbors you can have a a neighbor that's very friendly and a
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good neighbor and a good person mhm but because they're always in a good mood you're like n guy's okay well the other
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thing though too that's tricky here is why would it take three days he says hey can you watch my dog and I need you to
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watch him for three days why does it take three days for him to just go simply check out a car that he's
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thinking of purchasing do we have any more reports of Billy telling anybody else that he's going to go check out a
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car no we do not but I think the thing that's that's tough here here is that he doesn't really give a great description
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of where he may be going so maybe that is why it's going to take 3 days cuz you know simply saying I'm going up nor up
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north m is not a great description of where he is heading to find this car I have a lot of buddies that buy cars and
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flip them and or do some repairs on them and then sell them and it's you know when you get a lead or a bite on
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something you have to go immediately so it could be something that Billy found out about 20 minutes before he decided
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hey I'm going to go talk to my neighbor and see if he can watch the dog so the next morning around 10:00 a.m. Roy went
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to Billy's house to let Harley out but the key was not where Billy said he would have left it so Roy was locked out
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of Billy's house he couldn't get in to take care of the dog so Roy went back to his home and called Mary Ellen Noble and
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this is Billy's ex-girlfriend yes and I'm guessing that Roy would have had her phone number in
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case of an emergency with the dog maybe it was left with him that night I don't or maybe he had it on file let's say
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because of the dog and I think it'll become clear later while he might have had that number so alarm Bells
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immediately went off in Mary Ellen's mind she called Billy's sister Paula who called her mother Jan all of them the
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three of them are trying to contact Billy none of ever get a hold of him the two decide to meet at Billy's house so
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this is his sister and his mother and when they arrive they become more concerned yeah they they become more
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concerned because his pickup truck he has a white pickup truck which you assume he'd be using to drive up north
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it's parked in his driveway but it's also parked oddly cuz it's really close to the street yeah it's at the bottom of
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the driveway so the two the mother and sister are alarmed and according to them Billy leaving Harley in the hands of the
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neighbor was completely out of character so on top of that he neglected to leave
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a key remember he said he was going to leave a key this was so the dog could be let out and he didn't do that right but
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this does not rule out the fact that he is leaving in a hurry for some reason and he just forgets to leave the key for
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the neighbor again odd that the neighbor is watching the but not that odd if you have to go
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immediately for some unknown reason right according to the family his dog was his best friend and according to his
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ex-girlfriend Mary Allen Billy didn't even like Roy now we don't have a great description of what that means or a good
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understanding of what that means we just have one person with the very simple statement of I don't even think Billy
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liked Roy right so Paula and Jan they went to the the police station at Waterbury to file a missing person's
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report police listened to their story particularly the part about the neighbor saying that Billy had said he was
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leaving to go out of town for 3 days and the two ladies were told hey you're going to have to wait 72 hours to file
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this report yeah which I mean it's aggravating after the fact because we sit here today knowing that he's still
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missing but at the same time like we kind of talked about in the trailer this guy's 31 years old if he
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says I'm going out of town for 3 days I think the police are saying look you might just be having a hard time getting
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a hold of the guy I understand that he did some things out of character but he's allowed to leave to go out of town
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why don't we become concerned when he doesn't reappear after this trip the troubling things though the you
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know like we said roy story being the only story we have is a little troubling the dog thing is is troubling in the in
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the sense of this Mary Ellen and and Billy had got that dog together they got Harley together when they were
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in their long-term relationship and so the way that this kind of worked is they jokingly said hey
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after they split up they remained friends and they said hey we got we got joint custody of our dog Harley mhm my
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understanding is that the dog primarily lived with Billy but if he were to go out of town or need someone to take care
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of the dog Mary Ellen was his go-to like that was the regular thing she wanted the dog at her house she wanted to help
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out with the dog take care of the dog and so everybody found it very strange that Billy would choose Roy who we have
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the ex-girlfriend saying that he might not have really cared for Roy M over this designated spot that the dog would
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often go to to be taken care of regularly very strange but again to play Devil's Advocate we have a situation
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where maybe Billy had to leave immediately and maybe he didn't want his ex to know where he was going
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so we have uh a situation where they're not going to take the police report for 72 hours so his mother and sister are
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going to return to Billy's home to look for Clues they're kind of on their own they're going to try to piece This
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Together by themselves this this is when they found the Burger King receipt which
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was located they found it in a trash can timestamped 259 the day that he was last
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seen right the house was neat and nothing appeared to have been Disturbed according to them they called his friend
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this man's name is Chris who lived in New Hampshire because he was the only friend that they could think of who
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lived quote up north where Billy had told Roy he was headed Chris had not heard from Billy
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the biggest part of this investigation to me Captain is Billy because always you know the possibility in these
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cases is Billy could be the reason that we can't find Billy MH so none of his family has ever acknowledged the
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possibility that Billy would ever voluntarily disappear to start a new life or harm himself I got a question
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because back to this truck mhm so this white truck his pickup truck that's his main vehicle or does he have is that his
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main vehicle and he has multiple vehicles I mean if he's selling or fixing up cars then one would assume
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that he has access to other vehicles I believe he has two vehicles one being the truck and I think the
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other is either a motorcycle or a dirt bike okay so here's the thing and and God bless all the motorcyclists out
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there uh God bless you actually I hung out with a guy last weekend listen this is craziness M this is borderline
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Insanity the guy drove on his motorcycle rode his motorcycle to and from Alaska from Ohio nice that's one hell of a trip
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but like that seems Seems incredibly dangerous to me but what sorry what I meant to be saying though is under this
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assumption with the the motorcycle and the um dirt bike possibility I think that was located at his home in his
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garage okay I was going to say cuz one could assume you pull the truck out just enough where you can get the motorcycle
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around and when you go to take off you're just like nah I'm not going to pull my truck in I'll be back in a
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couple days his but if you find his motorcycle and it at his house then what did he take his truck was his main
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source of transportation and believed to have been the vehicle he would have chosen for this three-day trip right but
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hold on a second if you have to go pick up a car if you like the car and you don't want it
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towed then maybe you could drive something you see what I'm saying mhm like maybe maybe what he was going to go
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look at was a truck and he could throw the motorcycle in the back of the truck just just throwing it out there no I get
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you but the that vehicle's not missing right but what I'm saying is we have a guy that deals with vehicles so
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I'm just wondering all my buddies that sell vehicles I could not tell you how many
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vehicles they have at at a single time oh I see what you mean that there could have been some other vehicle I mean I'd
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pull up in my buddy's house that sells cars and there's two new cars that week right you know or two motorcycles in the
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garage well then or one time uh they got back back uh from a trip from Indiana and they bought eight motorcycles who
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buys eight motorcycles a possibility but if this were the case it would have to be an unregistered vehicle to him um but
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regarding him harming himself or taking off starting a new life like I said his family just they don't not seem to think
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that that's a possibility given what they know about their son and their brother um the questionable thing here
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though is that he recently had some turmoil in his personal life we know this because he was talking to Roy about
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how he had just recently broke up with a girlfriend and this is not the girlfriend that was going to take care
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of the dog right this is a different girlfriend okay so Billy had personally relayed to his sister the following
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information in the day or two leading up to his disappearance Billy was seeing a
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woman named mateline gleon the two had been dating for about a year they met when they both worked at a school bus
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they were school bus drivers for a company called B&B Transportation this is a huge busing company mateline was 16
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years older than Billy she had been married three times and had five children from these different
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relationships she was a little rough around the edges and I'm using other people's description of her Billy's
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family was not a big fan of hers they did not see what he saw in her they much preferred Billy's ex of eight years Mary
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Ellen who we've discussed already ready um Mary Ellen and Billy had broken up just before he started dating mateline
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and his parents said outright that they still had hope that Mary Ellen would one
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day be their daughter-in-law Mary Ellen and Billy had adopted Harley together as we said as a
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puppy and they considered that they had this joint custody of the dog Mary Ellen would later say that him
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leaving the dog with anybody other than her would just flat out and never happen
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so Roy is just a flaming pile of dog [ __ ] well I don't think we can say that for certain but what we should point out
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is this okay the information that he he gave to his sister well I'm just saying she said he'd never leave the dog with
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anybody but her well and he did during the so Roy killed him during the course of the relationship with meline uh Billy
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was committed to her and to her young son who was about 14 at the time there were reports that he had planned on
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having the two of them move in with him at some point Paula and Jan told police that Billy had gone with mateline to
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Florida the week before he had vanished despite the fact that he hated to fly and never took
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vacations Billy's parents said despite his anxiety about flying and traveling in general he was excited about this
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trip he even came over to their home to borrow their luggage to use on this triph MH and this trip was going to be
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to visit one of matalin's older Sons who was about Billy's age this is her son Tom true to their agreement say what the
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son is the same age as Billy yeah she's 16 years older than Billy true to their agreement Mary Ellen had Harley for the
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days that Billy was in Florida on this vacation according to Mary Ellen she spoke to Billy from Florida and said
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that he told her that he had noticed that his girlfriend was receiving phone calls on her cell phone and was hiding
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these calls from him he became suspicious that mateline was seeing somebody else Mary Ellen told one story
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that Billy had caught her standing in the shower pretending to shower but secretly on the phone mateline was on
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the phone with another man the way that mateline told the story in court later Billy had snatched the phone from her
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and went through the call log and the contacts on her phone look I'm just going to put this out there been there
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done that did the whole disappearing cell phone trick did the whole who's texting you bit if you're at that point
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where you have to ask just get up walk away get up and walk away well that's pretty much what happens because she
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admits that she is seeing somebody she's seeing a married man this is a businessman uh from Connecticut and
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Billy and her broke up uh and returned to Connecticut this on Sunday August 22nd and they went their separate ways
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both Mary Ellen and Paula said that Billy took or I'm sorry talked to both of them the day after after he got back
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okay he told them both he was through with his girlfriend mhm he said that uh he told his boss you know mind you he's
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working several jobs at durable Towing that he was absolutely devastated by this whole thing like I said there's
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every indication to believe that he was having her and her son move in with him relatively soon they were going to take
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the relationship one she had five children correct so there's only one that's young enough to be in care yeah
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yeah he was he was 14 years old now we don't know if Jan or Paula called mateline to ask if she had seen or heard
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from Billy if they did they likely heard this story from her this is what she had
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told police after Billy had disappeared all all of this is recorded in the police report she said Billy called her
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home on the night of Monday August 23rd but she had not picked up then at 4: or 5 a.m. on the morning of Tuesday August
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24th the the day that he vanished Billy set a ladder next to her window at her home and attempted to climb in the
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window she ended up letting him in through the the door and they talked for about an hour we we don't really know
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what was said or where the two left things but later she told police that Billy wanted to get back together and he
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still wanted the two of them to move in with him according to their plan you know stick with the plan she told him
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she needed time to think about it and he left as she put it he appeared to be depressed when he left it's likely he
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left her home because of three phone calls made from his home later that day these calls appeared on Billy's call
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records and were found in the course of a police warrant they all were placed between 11:44 a.m. and 11:58 a.m. now
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the three calls that were made were all to the same number and that was of Chris
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Swenson who is a kind of a low-level politician uh he was the businessman that was having the affair with
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meline so he's a prominent businessman too he's pretty pretty well to do Chris and Billy would likely have known each
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other as well because Chris was involved with a he owned a trucking company so it's thought that their paths would have
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crossed at some point just through their lines of work right Chris's father Christopher was a business partner with
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Billy's boss at the B at the bus company so another link there the Waterbury Observer calls Chris warens in a quote
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an elected public official with power and influence now the first two calls of those three calls they were both
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Hang-Ups but the third call there was a message and a message was left once police began to consider Billy's
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disappearance a serious case they questioned Swenson about Billy and confiscated the answering machine tape
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the message said quote Chris you better watch your back at all times Chris denied knowing who had made the calls
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the message was left anonymously so after these phone calls and then the conversation with the neighbor which
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took place much later in the day no one has admitted to ever seeing or hearing from Billy
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hours had elapsed Jan and Paula were finally able to file a missing person's report and they did so close to midnight
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on August 27th the authorities then searched Billy's home and as stated nothing seemed a Miss they searched his
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truck but they did not check for fingerprints despite the family insisting that it was parked in an
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inconsistent manner police did test the house garage and truck for signs of blood but found none bizarrely according
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to the Waterbury Observer several days after B vanished Billy's truck was broken into in the middle of the night
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and papers were strewn about the cab it's unknown whether this is a coincidence uh the theft is a theft is a
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problem in this area right so it could have just been a coincidence as for the neighbor Roy per his statement about
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Billy saying he was leaving was apparently believed by investigators and prevented them from considering Foul
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Play early in this investigation the police interviewed Roy on August 31st according to the report and we have to
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hope that they have reason to believe that he is not in any way involved since they you know he's never been labeled a
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suspect or Person of Interest one piece of information that the family has never revealed but that
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was in a police report was that Billy had been fired that day from his job at Midland
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HVAC how was he fired was he fired in person yes he was fired in person so he went to
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work he gets fired then at some point he goes to his ex-girlfriend's house that she's seeing another man she's seeing
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this Chris guy he then comes back to his house between no no he he so they sent someone to his home the the company sent
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somebody to his home to retrieve he drove a truck for them in H vac truck mhm it was a company's truck and so they
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sent someone to his home on the morning of the 24th and at that time they collected the truck and Billy was given
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a pink slip and why was he fired well we don't know the motivation behind this firing um One news report attributed
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attributed it to a slow season which doesn't make a whole lot of sense for HVAC company in August or the yeah but I
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mean it it's very possible any trade um is going to have layoffs so I could see that being a possibility so
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again the the the problem becomes if it's just layoff somebody like Billy that works in that field it's going to
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go this happens mhm but if it's not that then this just adds fuel to the depression the conflict he's having with
00:32:53
his ex-girlfriend well yeah and and that's what's going to be troubling for detectives and what's going to make it
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hard for them to have maybe a proper investigation early on because they hear about his recent breakup they hear that
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he's been laid off or fired from Midland and they kind of they didn't say it outwardly but they're kind of implying
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to the family that suicide might have to be considered or that Billy had taken off okay let's run this down really
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quick so in the morning somebody sends over somebody to his house to f Billy they take back their truck their work
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truck at some point he goes to his ex-girlfriend's house he puts the ladder up to the window he tries to that
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happened the night before okay that happened the night before so the night before he goes and confesses his love he
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wants to make it work she says I have to think about it he wakes up in the morning he's fired mhm at some point he
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makes calls to Chris just before noon which is the guy three calls two Hang-Ups one message one
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message that could be considered a threatening message too right and then so that's between
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11:44 and 12:00 by noon all three calls have happened and at some point then he goes to Burger King and that receipt is
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at 2:59 correct and then what time does he go talk to Roy around around five o'clock around five o'clock and then
00:34:24
what time does Roy say that he that's just the last he talked to Billy he didn't actually see Billy leave his
00:34:31
house yeah and Roy didn't really let anybody know that anything could be wrong because he didn't realize anything
00:34:39
was wrong until 10:00 a.m. the next morning when he goes to let the dog out and he can't get into the home he can't
00:34:45
find the key so he calls the ex-girlfriend Mary Ellen so what now well even though the police are kind of
00:34:53
implying to Billy's family that suicide might be like likely or that he may have
00:34:59
taken off the family isn't going to stop searching they're going to ask the community and volunteers uh to come
00:35:07
forward and over the 3-day Labor Day weekend 200 Searchers starting at Billy's house fanned out through the
00:35:15
greater Waterbury area looking for Billy or clues of what could have happened to
00:35:20
him then as the result of a tip volunteers scoured every inch of the nag nck nagat close enough River from Watertown
00:35:31
to uh the nagat area they found homeless encampments uh and dead deer but they never found Billy now his sister Paula
00:35:41
contacted a group called dogs da wgs disaster and Wilderness ground Searchers Inc local law enforcement did work with
00:35:50
the dogs group following along in casee anything was found that a member of law enforcement would be present at that
00:35:58
time but 10 days after Billy disappeared his sister went down to Police Headquarters and she said quote I was a
00:36:06
little Snappy about she was concerned about the lack of attention the police were giving
00:36:12
to Billy's investigation now at that time after her going in there and kind of giving them the business a new
00:36:19
detective was business yeah a new detective was placed on the case and he went to Billy's house to to have a look
00:36:28
around within 15 minutes the sergeant came back into the house with Billy's keys and Billy's wallet Paula said he
00:36:38
had found them tucked underneath the driver's seat in Billy's Truck the family took this discovery as a very
00:36:46
very bad sign Billy could not have left of his own accord they believe without any money or a vehicle so searches of
00:36:55
Billy's Bank accounts showed no activity after the August 24th purchase at the Burger King in fact one report says that
00:37:05
he had just deposited his paycheck when he went missing M speaking of the Burger
00:37:11
King in the 3-day window when they were told to wait to see if Billy turned up Jan and Paula had
00:37:19
gone to that Burger King to try to view the surveillance tapes to see if there was anyone with Billy or for what his
00:37:28
mood appeared to be right and it also makes you just want to Whopper they were told that the tapes were erased after 24
00:37:35
hours and that they were too late that they couldn't view anything one interesting addition to the timeline was
00:37:42
posted on an online chat forum and this is by Billy's mother she pointed out that Billy must have gone missing in the
00:37:50
evening time she said Harley could not have gone longer than 11 hours without making a mess in the house and when Mary
00:37:58
Ellen got to the home this was around 10:00 a.m. on the morning of the 25th on the on August M so she's using that
00:38:07
10:00 marker as if we backtrack this it's got to be less than 11 hours from that time frame yeah I would agree with
00:38:16
them on that but here's what's my gut is telling me right mhm I mean other than wanting Burger
00:38:24
King is we have a situation mhm right we have a poly D situation where he tells his neighbor
00:38:35
that he quote unquote doesn't even like hey Roy can you watch my dog I'm going somewhere for a few days by the way
00:38:44
don't check on my dog until the morning and I'm going to leave a key for you underneath the mat now I know that Roy
00:38:52
me being Billy I know that Roy has the number to probably family or my ex exgirlfriend that helps take care of the
00:39:02
dog right so when there is no key found then he's going to make a phone call hey there's this dog he left that
00:39:12
gives him a heads up to get wherever he's going mhm and then we have another situation where you have this truck his
00:39:20
primary vehicle and the keys his keys and his wallet are underneath seat yeah almost
00:39:28
like he's leaving it for you almost like he's leaving hey anything in my wallet it's yours you can have it and like we
00:39:37
said he sells Vehicles he buys Vehicles is it possible that he had unregistered vehicle of some kind in his in his
00:39:46
garage and that would be another reason why the truck would be pulled out a little bit so they could get the vehicle
00:39:51
around and he took off and this was a way of taking off um possibly to commit suicide and leaving everything in its
00:40:02
place for people to find it okay let's work backwards through that we'll start with the truck and then we'll get to the
00:40:09
dog here are my thoughts the keys in the wallet are found in his truck 10 days after he went missing 3 days after he
00:40:17
went missing the truck is quote unquote broken into so if the keys and wallet were in
00:40:25
the truck at that time those seem like items that somebody breaking into a truck would want to find so either they
00:40:32
didn't find them or those items weren't there when the truck was broken into yeah but didn't you say that they were
00:40:38
underneath the seat yeah right I don't know what would make me think that the thief would not check
00:40:45
underneath the seat I mean I can't say for certain that they would but I don't see why not so what I'm going I'm going
00:40:53
there with that just keep that in mind just just because the wall and the keys are found in the truck there are reasons
00:40:59
why they may have been found there without Billy having left them there on purpose meaning one of two things either
00:41:07
somebody either Billy was met with Foul Play and killed somewhere disposed of somewhere and they returned his truck to
00:41:14
his home and stuffed the keys in the wallet underneath his seat or Billy left him there or did something happen happen
00:41:23
to Billy and then later at some point somebody goes H me having this wallet and these Keys is a really bad idea
00:41:30
maybe I should figure out what to do with them oh I'll put them back in his truck let me break in right and then
00:41:37
then you know I'll throw some I'll throw some trash all about the the truck and maybe police will just go well maybe we
00:41:43
missed it maybe we just happen to miss that when we look through the truck I don't know that they really spent a good
00:41:49
time looking through the truck at the first time that they showed up to the house okay um
00:41:57
so if they did and those those items had been there the entire time they couldn't
00:42:02
have they could not have done a good job searching the truck if those items were
00:42:06
there the entire time correct yeah yeah so all right let's agree on that at least we know that they did not do a
00:42:13
very good search of his truck the first time MH now regarding the dog I believe the mom and I know that other people are
00:42:21
like that seems weird that she would say 11 hours no no no no no I think that's I
00:42:28
think that's so honest I know with my own experience with my dogs when I go somewhere often if I go somewhere just
00:42:36
for like a quick overnight trip I do have somebody show up and let my dogs out in the late evening and then again
00:42:44
early in the morning right I have a bit of a Time marker where I know hey uh I don't want my dogs to be uncomfortable
00:42:51
and it starts to get a little uncomfortable for them after a certain period of time I actually think a couple
00:42:57
of things are going on here let's say the story that Roy provides us that the neighbor provides us is in fact true
00:43:05
yeah and Polie believe him well if again and I understand that people are like but he doesn't like Roy but he might
00:43:14
like again he might like Roy he might said that off-handed it could be a very nice neighbor Billy either left in a
00:43:22
hurry or he left with a purpose of not coming back that's why he left the dog you know that's why he talked to Roy but
00:43:30
that's kind of a conflicting statement there and what I mean by this is is the following
00:43:37
so let's it for him to leave the dog with Roy would be out of character right yeah that from what everyone has said so
00:43:47
but we have the situation where where the dog is not he doesn't show Roy doesn't show up to let the dog
00:43:55
out until 10 a.m. what I would like to have a clear understanding of is was that the time that he was instructed to
00:44:02
show up hey are you going to be home tomorrow sure could you come over around 9:30 10: a.m. and let the dog out
00:44:09
because if that was a time that was instructed and this 11-hour marker of the dog making a mess in the house or
00:44:16
being uncomfortable right well then that would indicate to me that Billy didn't leave the home until 11:00 p.m. that
00:44:23
night right which is pretty late it's 6 hours after he all of a sudden has to leave the house in a hurry to the point
00:44:29
where he's got to leave the dog with his neighbor you see what I mean if if Billy
00:44:33
knew that he was going to have a 5 six hour time window before he had to leave he would have left the dog with his
00:44:38
ex-girlfriend it it's it's all very strange I would like to know maybe right but I think the problem with that is
00:44:46
that if they have a pretty good relationship right MH and maybe Billy's a pretty honest guy and he's not one
00:44:54
that is good at let's say lying right mhm and she starts asking him questions about where he's going whether he's
00:45:02
going to go after this Chris guy whether he's going to go somewhere to hurt himself maybe he's just going somewhere
00:45:10
to think mhm right or maybe he's going to confront his ex-girlfriend he might not
00:45:18
want this person that's been in his life for eight years or more to ask questions
00:45:26
you see what I'm saying like that's why he would leave the dog with Roy because Roy's not going to ask that many
00:45:31
questions and if he does it's like well I'm just going up I came up with the story I'm looking for a car I'm going to
00:45:38
be gone 3 days do you mind helping me out yeah good I I'll help you out right no and I agree with that no questions
00:45:45
asked but if you ask hey can you take the dog your ex-girlfriend's going to go yeah where are you going right I'm going
00:45:53
to go up North and look at a car but maybe that doesn't work with her her that's all I'm saying no and I Billy
00:45:58
would know that more than me or you would I agree and what I'm saying is if the the story of him leaving the dog
00:46:04
with Roy is in fact true then that was purposeful by Billy there was a reason for doing such and it was either he was
00:46:12
in a hurry or he was felt he needed to hide or conceal something from the ex-girlfriend right right so before
00:46:19
Billy dated mateline the one that he had all the problems with you know that they
00:46:22
recently broke up the one with five kids the one that was 16 years older the one
00:46:27
that was cheating on him with Chris right he was involved in an 8-year relationship with Mary Ellen Noble they
00:46:34
had known each other since high school they said that their breakup was a mutual decision and that they remained
00:46:41
close friends right up until the point Billy disappeared the last time that Mary Ellen saw Billy or spoke with him
00:46:49
she said Billy was sad about the breakup but he also seemed fine and that the two
00:46:54
of them actually made made plans to go to Six Flags to the amusement park the next weekend and Mary Ellen quoted Billy
00:47:03
as saying the last words he said to me were don't forget Saturday don't forget don't forget you know Billy would not
00:47:10
have this is what she points to as Billy would not have committed suicide bringing up that he had something that
00:47:17
he was looking forward to according to her now in a missing person's case we really only have one side of the story
00:47:24
of what the missing person was like the family generally controls The Narrative of what the person was like and what was
00:47:32
going on in their life at the time who they were close with what their plans were what they were you know into or or
00:47:41
likely or not likely to do right Billy's family has been more involved than most
00:47:49
in the investigation into his disappearance they paint a fairly Rosy picture of him according to the
00:47:54
smolinsky Billy was a really caring giving guy who would drop everything to help someone in need uh he had a tattoo
00:48:03
on his arm that was the name of a friend who had passed away MH and they said that Billy was a creature of habit he
00:48:10
loved his truck his motorcycle his dog and his girlfriend he was an avid snowmobiler and fisherman and he drove a
00:48:19
drove in demolition deries sometimes on the weekends yeah those are I actually had a old student that did that there
00:48:27
was a lot of fun to go watch and they would create you had to create the vehicle and then just go Smash It Up Oh
00:48:35
Billy was described by both family and friends as an incredibly hard worker who always showed up for work and took very
00:48:42
little time off well that's what makes me believe that he got laid off mhm more than he got fired and as far as any of
00:48:50
them know he did not do drugs and he only drank occasionally mhm okay so but likely Captain we have to believe that
00:49:00
there are other aspects to Billy's personality that that we're not going to receive
00:49:06
from the family okay well first of all if I ever go missing please tell the public that he was a
00:49:13
kogan that he was a nasty man and he was um he was very mean and and bitter towards the world please don't tell
00:49:23
people that every time I walked into the room I I lit it up like roses in sunshine well according to media and
00:49:30
some things that we can find online there are several articles about Billy's case referring to him as a quote unquote
00:49:37
tough guy and this seems to be in the context of he wouldn't let anyone push him around or he wouldn't take any [ __ ]
00:49:45
from anyone um there are hints that he may have had a temper there are several discussions online in which people claim
00:49:53
to know for a fact that Billy was the type to get into barroom bras another word that has been used to describe
00:50:00
Billy is confrontational now I only saw this a couple of times but police reports indicate that Chris the remember
00:50:08
the secret lover told police that he had never had any interaction or trouble with Billy but then admitted after
00:50:17
continued questioning that Billy had in fact broke in the windows on a bus owned
00:50:22
by Chris several months earlier mine stated in court documents that she thinks Billy suspected something was
00:50:30
going on between the two of them for quite some time before it was confirmed on the Florida trip well let's Okay so
00:50:38
let's be a little clear right now mhm this Chris guy is a cheater mhm right he's married right right
00:50:48
cheater and he's a liar mhm I mean how many T he he gets three calls from the the guy that goes missing I don't know
00:50:57
who he is right and then after more questioning yeah we had some run-ins with each other
00:51:05
so I don't know if he's involved but I know he's a liar yeah but the thing here is with these broken windows it may just
00:51:16
simply be a situation where he thinks Billy is a likely culprit and doesn't really have anything to go off of and it
00:51:24
not bil at all Billy broke these windows and Billy in all fairness may not have done that well no [ __ ] because two
00:51:31
seconds earlier you didn't have any confrontations with him is what I'm State that's what I'm stating it's hard
00:51:37
to believe anything that this Chris guy says well one thing to point out that Billy might have been confrontational or
00:51:43
at least to the point of him not taking any [ __ ] from anybody would be the fact
00:51:48
that take no [ __ ] we'll take a little [ __ ] but we're not going take no [ __ ]
00:51:54
well yeah but the thing thing would be that he we know he left the the threatening voicemail on Chris's phone
00:52:00
right you know we we have this confirmed by his family saying yes that is his voice on that message the local
00:52:07
newspaper and Billy's family believe that having heard that message of you better watch your back at all times that
00:52:16
after that message Billy possibly had set out to do something to Chris or to at least confront Chris and that
00:52:23
something bad had happened in that process Billy's Father Bill senior said quote Billy wasn't one to start anything
00:52:32
but if someone started something with him he would finish it this time it looks like someone got the better of
00:52:38
[Music] him we have so much more to get to in the search for Billy smolinsky join us
00:52:55
back back here in the garage tomorrow until then be good be kind and don't [Music]
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