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emergency dispatch we found a human skull oh my gosh I know uh we got a uh is it a meter leader yes I going don't
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you speak right now with the representative from our Phil Services facilities hi I'm uh everything is
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recorded here he is how are you doing uh skull of if he bed is human what's the location it's right off of suburban and
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Chickasaw in the Kelly Anthony area right by the oh um do you have a specific address for me
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or not no it's right by the school if you take it suburban and and golden what suburban
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and Chickasaw Chickasaw I'm sorry yeah and the school is right there I can't think of the name of the school it just
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go right straight down at dead ends right into the woods it'll be on the east side of uh Chickasaw Suburban um
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east side of Chickasaw and what is your um party's name that we're going to meet
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with he's not touching this I hope no he's a um he's a meter reader meter reader yeah and I'll just tell him to
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stay at that location and just stay away from everything okay um and if you can try to stress to
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him to please not draw attention to the [Music] area you heard at the end of yesterday's
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show an interview that that took place just 2 days before this 911 call now this 911 call is from a man named Roy
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kunun this took place on December 11th 2008 Roy went into the woods off of suburban drive and he found something
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and he poked at it and then he calls his supervisor who in turns calls 911 because Roy had found a skull police
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rope off the scene the medical examiner her name is Jan gavala FY Malik no thank
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God not in this case uh for those of you who watch True Crime shows she is better
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known as Dr G medical examiner um I don't know if her show is current I've seen it a few times but she did have a
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show uh called Dr G medical examiner but this Falls in her jurisdiction Dr G describes the crime scene as such that a
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body was placed in a wooded area about 20 ft off of the road now there are a lot of plants and weeds and trees in
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this area but in the spot they find two tangled up and torn up black trash bags that are grouped with this large gray
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canvas bag she says there are some bones that were in the bag there are also some
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bones that were scattered amongst the vegetation and then next to that there is the skull that Roy had seen it's
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obvious to police when they show up and they start canvasing the area that they're probably looking at the remains
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of a child mhm and then and this is also in the vicinity of the Anthony household
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yes it's approximately a quar mile from the Anthony household now this case could not get any stranger but here
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here's one very strange thing about this case Roy Kon had actually reported seeing something suspicious at this very
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same location on several other occasions now it's been reported that he has called this in twice before and it's
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also been reported that he's called it in three times before I was unable to to verify which is the more accurate
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statement but when you say that he's called this in three times we're talking about this particular skull he's he's
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stating that he has called in that there was something suspicious in the woods and I'll kind of take you through that
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on the first occasion Kon says that he was there with co-workers now Kon is a meter reader and he and two other meter
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readers had finished their checks early on that day big shout out to all the meter readers out there had had had some
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buddies that did that job for a long time well and I don't know how this works but they basically say that they
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finished the day a lot earlier than expected and rather than going back to whatever facility that they work out of
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they decided to take a a bit of a break and just kind of hang out in this section now if you look at where this
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body was found on on a Google map um it's you you basically have a big neighborhood and then you have this road
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this is Suburban road that that comes from behind the kind of behind the neighborhood there and it kind of goes
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off into this dead end area so it would be an easy spot for people to kind of just hang out and and and you know shoot
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the breeze after work well you see this a lot with like housing developments the
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there's a road that's a dead end that's really going to probably lead to more development down the line MH is that's
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kind of what what I'm assuming I'm looking at yeah yeah and so the three of them decide to hang out there they say
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they're there for about an hour so just you know chitchatting and smoking cigarettes and such uh while hanging out
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Roy K goes off to relieve himself uh peeing in the woods basically uh he says that he tells his co-workers that he
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thinks he saw either a bone or a skull in in this wooded area mhm so he he goes over and he tells his friends about this
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well the three of them walk back to this location so that Kon can point out the skull or the bones that he thought that
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he saw before you know and what ends up happening is they spot a rather large dead snake I think it was like four or
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five foot long snake that they saw there and well this distracts the three men don't live in Florida this distracts the
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three men because then they're kind of checking out this this snake and I don't know if if
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Roy got confused if he thought you know well maybe part of the bone that I saw or whatever white object I saw was just
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part of the snake but what ends up happening is we know that we can verify some of Roy's story here because of two
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situations first off the men with their cell phon start taking pictures of the snake and they show these to other
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co-workers you know that later that day or the next day so they leave the spot that day right well Roy K late that
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night he decides to call the sheriff's department and Report what he has seen in the woods so they dispatch officer
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out to the area but we got to keep in mind it's it's very dark out now and this is a wooded area the officer looks
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around and does not see bones or a skull or anything no remains at all uh and keep in mind we also have a situation
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where Roy Kon is not there to point this object out to the officer he calls it in
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the officer goes out checks the area nothing is found so that's his first call or first attempt or what was his
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second attemp well one thing I want to point out here Captain is we heard on that 911 call when they're calling in
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this body and you heard that a bit of confusion between the caller and the the the dispatcher of you know kind of
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pinpointing this location so my guess is that just like we said with with it being dark out and without Roy being
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there there was she probably the officer in her defense was probably just looking
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in the wrong location M I don't think that that somebody wasn't doing their job they just didn't know the right
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location to look now what ends up happening though after Roy follows up you know he wants to know what did you
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find anything right and he is told that you know what you should do we're going to you should call this in again uh but
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make sure you call it in when it's still light outside so we can get an officer over there to look around and find the
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exact location and take a look at what you think you have seen or possibly meet the officer out there yeah so I believe
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it's the next day that Roy Kon he then called calls it in again and this is right after his work shift um and at
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this point an officer meets k at the location but what happens here Captain is this is this is ACC according to Roy
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crun MH he states that the officer seemed agitated that the officer didn't seem very thrilled about the whole call
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itself he said it was raining that day and he didn't know if it was because of the story about the snake he told the
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officer y we saw this giant snake that was dead there can't blame him for that he says that he he didn't get the vibe
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that the officer wanted to go into the woods again it could have been the rain could have been the the snake whatever
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but but what ends up happening or just having a bad day right well what ends up happening according to Roy K is that the
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officer does go into the woods he's in there for a brief amount of time he comes out he's fairly rude to Roy and
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tells him that he's mistaken he's seen nothing there's nothing there and then the officer goes about his business now
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later we would learn that there was a different story from the officer the the officer says that the two of them went
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into the woods together and all he found was a what he described as a bag containing um like debris like like lawn
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clippings and leaves and things of that nature um the situation here though is nothing is found all of this takes place
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in August of 2008 in August mhm the body's found in December of 2008 so it's not until December 11th that a third or
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fourth call is placed to law enforcement and that's when they go out and find the
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remains that that very same day well this is you like we said this is huge news all over the country and especially
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in this area this is huge right so you got this media reader that's out in that neighborhood probably often tells you
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hey look I saw a skull I don't know if it was human or not not come check it out mhm and then nobody kind of really
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Falls up and people are still talking about this missing girl they probably waigh on him and so then he was like
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well I got to go back out and look again for myself yeah we going to find it and
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and I applaud him you know because if if he didn't do that if he wouldn't have put the extra effort in uh maybe never
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found well you know what I'm wondering too is it maybe he thought all right two officers have been to the location they
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tell me that I'm mistaken does he just take their word you know what I mean and that maybe is why so much time elapsed
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between the actual Discovery does he just say well I called it in twice and and nobody nobody saw what I saw and
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then you know how these meter readers work they're not in the same neighborhood every day of the week right
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he was probably out there a few months later and thought to himself you know what I'm still convinced I saw something
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over there oh yeah you saw what you saw he goes into the woods he says to relieve himself I I actually think he
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went into the woods looking for what he thinks that he saw now he would come under some speculation because what
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comes out very quickly in this situation is you know there's a lot of push back from the community onto law enforcement
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they're saying well this was called in three times at least yeah there was definitely a ball dropped and and there
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was there was this body that was found there how do you miss that and I don't know if this was leaked from the law
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enforcement angle or if this was just something in the media but there was some speculation that maybe Roy K had
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this information and because there was this growing reward that maybe he sat on this information as the reward grew I
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personally don't think that that's the situation I think he saw something in the woods he was convinced of it he was
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talked out of it by law enforcement because I don't think they did anything wrong I think they just they didn't see
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what he saw and he happened to be back in the neighborhood and he decided I'll tell them that I went in there to
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relieve myself but I'm actually back there looking for what I what I'm pretty convinced that I saw mhm and did you see
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I mean you saw video of him at at the trial right correct I mean I to me he comes across as a very standup guy I I
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don't know much about him but his story is very believable to me now what what we end up finding here is the the
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situation is this that it's a crime scene yes and Dr G states that uh she believes that animals had moved some of
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the bones um they discover that there is no tissue at all on this on this body on
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the remains it's completely uh decomposed uh the thing with that is this is going to make it very hard to
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determine the cause of death because the body sat there for 6 months so the other
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situation is the Jawbone is still connected to the skull which normally would not happen usually once all that
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soft tissue it has has decayed from the body uh the the Jawbone would drop off the situation here though is they
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discover duct tape that is still holding basically the Jawbone to the skull mhm now again like we said because of the
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level of decomposition that is taking place it's very hard to determine the cause of death right so we have a
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Skeletor remain skeleton skeleton remain Skeletor what is this he he's a bad villain no so we have a skeleton remain
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we have this bag this canvas type bag MH uh we have black trash bags found at the
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scene mhm and we have duct tape which is over the skeleton's mouth holding the jaw in place that's what we have correct
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and so they are unable to determine the cause of death because of the level of decomposition however they do rule the
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death a homicide side well some people right because let's be clear the the the size of the skeleton is is the size of a
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a child MH and so you know however it however the child died by having the skeleton just sitting out in the middle
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of nowhere that's that's all the proof you need to know that there's this is homicide well thank you for saying that
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because some people have had a big problem with this stating that if if you can't determine the cause of death how
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can you rule at a homicide and it's exactly as you said we have we have a body that was concealed that somebody
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put it there so that people may not find it or that a certain amount of time would elapse before it was found the
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other thing that we know is that we have the trash bags we have the canvas bag and the duct tape all things that you
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probably shouldn't be finding with a body that that would have an accidental death um so again this is furthermore
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you know it takes 8 days but after DNA testing on the 19th they reveal that this is in fact the body of the little
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missing girl Kaylee Anthony M it's very sad so on top of that you have more cause to believe that it's a homicide
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because you have a girl that went missing was not reported as such for an extended period of time1 days and then
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she's been missing for 6 months before they find her body it's pretty obvious to me this has got homicide written all
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over yeah this is kind of no duh so now we found the body of the missing little girl right and it's been identified as
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Kay Anthony and we have this situation we already know that Casey the mother is currently in jail at this time right and
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suspected of the murder of her daughter because the daughter had not been found now the situation is this the body is
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found a quarter of a mile from their home it's you could pull out of their driveway and you would go down the
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street make a right-hand turn and basically you could pull something out of your trunk and walk it 20 feet into
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the woods and that's that's the body that's how it would take you 3 to 5 minutes to to do that act and then to
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return home you could do this under the cover of night and probably nobody would
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see you again if you look at the way that this is situated on on a map here there's not any reason for there to be
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traffic going through this location there's not houses back there that I could see um right or if you wanted to
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you know walk it down yourself take you probably 5 to 10 minutes mhm the thing here is so now we got this mother who
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looks she's already looked guilty even with your little troll legs you could do it in 5 to 10 minutes she's already
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looked guilty before the body's found now she's looking especially guilty and we have a situation where we have her
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parents visiting her in jail and and talking with her and you know I what is there's one famous clip out there where
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there there's some interaction between her and her mother and it doesn't Cindy say something she kind of starts off the
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conversation by saying uh we miss you uh we we we forgive you we believe you yeah
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she says I uh I forgive uh we forgive everything you said and we forgive anything that you you did you did and
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this must be shortly after this body is found or at least identified as Kaylee Anthony mhm yeah this roughly around
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that time but a very strange interaction between the two of them and it it's almost like you know I really get the
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feeling that Cindy was hanging on to hope that that this really wasn't happening that this whole this whole
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reality show that's taking place on the news that's about her daughter and her granddaughter that it might not really
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be happening or that maybe maybe Kaylee is out there somewhere and she's safe she's holding on to Hope or is she
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holding on to the hope that her daughter's not guilty of such a horrible crime well no I think if look if you
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look back two days before the bodies found she's sitting there saying hey look you know Nancy Grace is condemning
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my you know has already convicted my daughter this is Mom top mom well top mom um
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anyways she's convicted her already and the truth is going to come out when Kaye
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comes home and guess what your granddaughter's dead mhm and I'm sorry but you're the spawn of you your daughter is
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most likely guilty of that right and that has to hit you pretty quick as parents MH and you know especially
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for these are not normal grandparents right oh they're not no no they're not they're not normal in the sense well I
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mean some of the stuff they say is just crazy but they're not normal in the sense that that the these were more
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kayle's parents than they were grandparents yes you know I see what you're saying there
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this child lived with them right this child lived with them every day you know the mother of this
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child troll Casey troll you know she who knows who the father is right I think she lied about
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all that [ __ ] and and who was the father who who was the acting father George Anthony right M those were her parents
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for all you know the the term mother and father that is just you know that is just some [ __ ] you know you're
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you're you're not a mother or father unless the action you have the actions to back it up so just because you had a
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kid for this is for all the deadbeat dads out there deadbeat mothers out there just cuz you have a kid doesn't
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mean you're a mother no right it's the actions it's the raising of that kid you know
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so now they have to deal with the fact that this girl is gone your daughter technically your granddaughter
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is gone and she's not coming back and you have to deal with that guilt and all the all the questioning
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and all that stuff but now you're faced with reality that your your daughter's been
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lying to you this whole [ __ ] time well and according to the defense according to Casey Anthony's
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defense that the the the parents had two very different reactions to the finding
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of the body because keep in mind there were eight days that passed before they through DNA evidence you know announced
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that it was in fact Kaye Anthony right and during this time the defense states that George was handling it very almost
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very policeman like you know what I mean he's he's a fact guy you know you know with most officers there's not a lot of
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gray with them it's a lot of black and white right and the situation here is he's he knows man he's he's going this
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body was found so close to my home I know the last time I saw this little girl this and and he's basically going
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into the mode of well we need to step up this investigation now and find out what
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happened right we need this is this is before kayle's identified right the mother Cindy at the same time
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is saying well there's a lot of kids that that live in this area and on top of that I think that I overheard that
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some another kid has gone missing somewhere in the area it's probably not Kaylee they had two completely opposite
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reactions to this situation now in their defense in in Cindy's defense I don't want to harp on her too badly because
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she's gone through something nobody ever should have to go through but in her defense I I don't know how I would react
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to any of this information myself I I you know we all want to hold out hope at some point um it's strange to me that
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you can have people two people living under the same roof with completely different reactions though well and
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those people being you know married individuals you know I mean or married couple I shouldn't say married
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everybody all right Captain what we need to do here is we need to fill in some blanks because yesterday when we were
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talking we went through the situation of uh the last time that Kaylee was seen and then we have 31 days pass before
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she's reported missing before Casey is arrested but we have a lot of blank space in there during that 30 days and
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we have some information as to what was going on during that 30 days because well some of us has seen pictures of
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this on on TV and on the news but furthermore we have state given from the Anthony family this uh being George and
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Cindy but also including things that her brother Lee has said uh we also have statements by Casey Anthony's friends
00:29:39
and her boyfriend right and now we're we're investigating this as a homicide now now that the body is found so we
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have to dive into these actions a little bit more yes and so the last time that it is agreed upon that that Kaylee
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Anthony was was seen alive was June 16th 2008 this is at the Anthony family home
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now on that day Cindy Anthony testified that she left for work a few minutes before 700 a.m. now while this was while
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everybody was still asleep at the house at 7:52 a.m. we start to see some activity from Casey Anthony's password
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protected account on MySpace and she is re doing some kind of research for shotg
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girl costumes um and this is believed to be for Tony Lazaro remember that's her boyfriend at the time DJ yeah he he has
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um you know these nightclub type events that that he goes to and she is going to
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be a part of that now it's been reported that she might have been managing um some of these shot girls or or assisting
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in some manner with that um or she could have just been looking for some kind of
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outfit to wear to to the nightclub um at 7:56 a.m. we see uh more more computer uh activity uh this is being in some
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chat rooms at 12:50 p.m. now this is according to George Anthony uh he states that Kaye departed with Casey in their
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vehicle in the Sunfire around 12:50 p.m. um and he goes on to describe you know he can even describe
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some of the outfit that that both of them were wearing uh stating that there were backpacks on their shoulders um and
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he is under the impression that that Casey is going to go off to work and Kaylee is going to go to the baby
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babysitter's house right so yeah she's going to go to Zanny n the zy the nanny's house and that that Casey's
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actually in work attire is what he claims now at 139 p.m. there's activity associated with Casey's uh instant
00:31:54
messenger in Myspace in Facebook accounts uh on the home computer uh the last browser activity session is at 1:42
00:32:04
p.m. at 1:44 Casey calls her friend Amy uh remember now this is Amy that is uh living with her ex-boyfriend that she
00:32:15
supposedly lived with for for some period the one she stole some checks from yeah yeah that that good friend um
00:32:22
at 2:21 p.m. the call with Amy ends and at 2:30 p.m. George Anthony testified that he left the home at this time to go
00:32:31
to work now at 2:49 p.m. Casey Anthony's cell phone connects with a tower nearest
00:32:38
the home and the Anthony the Anthony family's desktop computer is activated by somebody using a password protected
00:32:46
account uh for Casey Anthony at 2:51 p.m. on the home computer there is a Google search made for the term of
00:32:55
foolproof suff ocation uh the word Suffocation was misspelled um but whoever was searching
00:33:03
this uh clicks on some articles regarding foolproof Suffocation or ways to die right and in this article they
00:33:11
talk about black trash bags they talk about duct tape MH different things of that nature then shortly after that we
00:33:19
see more activity on MySpace um at 2 just before 3:00 Casey answer ERS uh a phone call from Jesse uh
00:33:30
this this guy says that he describes this conversation as abnormal uh Casey stated to him that her parents were
00:33:37
divorcing and that she would need to find a a new place to live M uh at 3:04 p.m. Casey disconnected the phone call
00:33:48
from je from Jesse uh to take an incoming call from her father George now according to Accord according to the
00:33:58
trial records uh this was a 20 26 second call uh from her father and he says that
00:34:06
well we got some conflicting stories on this of course we do because what what the defense is going to try to tell us
00:34:13
is that basically what happened is George called Casey as soon as he got to work and the reason that it's such a
00:34:21
short call is that he was basically saying you know I took care of everything thing hint hint you know that
00:34:28
kind of situation um that's what the defense says yes basically telling Casey that he had disposed of the body uh
00:34:36
warning her not to tell her mother about the child's death and that he had disposed of the body on his way into
00:34:42
work that day MH um what are your feelings about this phone call here Captain because it is very strange to me
00:34:50
first of all we we have a situation where Casey supposedly left the house at 1250 but we see some activity on on the
00:34:57
computer that one might expect that to be more of Casey Anthony type activity um it was a shared computer it was it
00:35:05
was the family computer yeah but if somebody doesn't log out as something you know if I have my computer open and
00:35:11
there's Facebook open and a bunch of other stuff open um and you're clicking around and maybe exiting out of some
00:35:18
programs I I don't know if that would count as the same activity cuz I'm not an IT expert M but so it could be
00:35:24
somebody clicking around cuz George was there at the house or it's possible that
00:35:28
she left for a minute and came right back and George didn't notice that is possible as well yeah I I think my
00:35:35
thoughts are one of two things either George is lying and that the two of them didn't leave or maybe mistaken maybe the
00:35:42
two of them didn't leave at 1250 like he thought they did or two that exactly as
00:35:48
you said it's it's a shared computer maybe he's just clicking and closing out of some things so he can check his
00:35:54
personal email I I I really don't know how those things work right but let's talk about what the major problem with
00:35:59
this case is is it's very similar to like Adnan sayed's case mhm I hope I said that right or I'm going to get a
00:36:06
bunch you're very close not exactly right you're exactly right the one of the issues is same with that case is
00:36:16
because it's 31 days before you even report the child missing and now everybody's trying to figure out when is
00:36:25
the last time we saw this individual yeah and then once you kind of figure out that date because here's a couple
00:36:33
things Casey Anthony claims the ninth the parents then say no it's the 16th and and at some point the the uh on
00:36:46
one of the phone calls um the mother says it was this seventh or something like she gives a whole different date so
00:36:55
the fact that they have to start looking back and yeah we have these records but
00:37:00
as far as when George left you know look I can't I can't buy any of that stuff and the fact of the matter is we got
00:37:08
three we got three liars right yeah and there's constantly times that they're lying about stuff now a lot of people
00:37:17
would say well don't throw George under the bus what was he lying about George and his wife they separated
00:37:24
for a while and one of the reasons why they separated was because he was lying to his wife and got in a bunch of
00:37:30
financial trouble and he was being dishonest so there's evidence of him being a liar
00:37:36
Sydney is constantly lying about stuff constantly covering up her tracks constantly lying to help her her
00:37:44
daughter and then and then obviously Casey Anthony we know she's lying because she lied for for 31 days to her
00:37:52
parents yeah so I can't believe anything that they're saying all I can go on is by work records and so if if George
00:38:01
clocked into a to his job I believe that MH why did he call I don't know I'm not
00:38:07
going to believe the defense over over George and and what we do know is George is at work at ex time the mother's at
00:38:18
work early in the morning the only person really home is Casey right and Kaye yeah yeah well and the thing here
00:38:25
is we you know with the Adon case you know they one thing they bring up when you're talking about trying to remember
00:38:31
what happened a week ago or two weeks ago or in this case 31 days ago uh sometimes things are easier to remember
00:38:38
when you have a special day you know what I mean when something something exciting or something big happened for
00:38:44
you that day I think that they got the date right of the last time that they saw Kaylee because Cindy clearly
00:38:50
remembers going to visit her father on Father's Day and and swimming with Kaye that night
00:38:57
uh so I I believe that they had the date right but I'm with you Captain I don't know if they would know exactly when uh
00:39:04
Casey yeah the date is correct but what I'm saying is some of the details are blurry George would say that before
00:39:12
Casey and Kaylee left that day um that she that Casey had told him that she had a work function uh that would require
00:39:20
her to either be out of town or stay overnight somewhere of course um and that Kaye was going to be staying at the
00:39:28
nannies overnight and that she had already previously discussed this with her mother um I don't have any
00:39:34
information from Cindy backing that up but again like you said sometimes it's hard to believe uh some of these things
00:39:40
that we're hearing now regarding the phone call though so he gets 26 seconds I don't know what it is he gets to well
00:39:47
I don't know what it is either but here here's here's the vibe I get all right I
00:39:50
get the vibe that Cindy is is willing to turn a blind eye to certain C things that Casey does probably because she
00:39:58
wants her granddaughter close to her she wants the granddaughter to stay at home
00:40:03
the vibe I get from George is that he probably for a long time has had a lot of problems with the things that Casey
00:40:09
does he he has stated several times before she was suspected of anything that she's a liar uh he stated plenty of
00:40:16
times that he doesn't appreciate her uh being suspected of taking money from them abusing privileges taking the car
00:40:24
no but I'm getting to what I think that the phone call was because this phone call is suspicious on George's part in
00:40:30
my opinion it it's strange to just show up at work and the first the first thing
00:40:33
you do is call your daughter on the same day that we believe Kaylee Anthony disappeared and have a 26c phone call it
00:40:42
does look good for the defense and bad for George what I'm saying here is the vibe that I get is that Casey probably
00:40:49
did something small to piss him off it could have been anything I get the vibe that he had a problem with a lot of the
00:40:55
things she was doing and I and I can say we know this we all have dads and some of the dads keep an eye on their Turf on
00:41:02
their territory they are the king of the castle it might have just been a quick phone call that said you know what you
00:41:08
left the garage door open again I'm sick of this crap or you know I found this here you know this these dirt you left
00:41:14
dirty clothes all over the floor or you left the computer on again you know any of these little things that tick you off
00:41:21
as a parent he's probably just calling her to to state that yeah possibly now at this is after the phone call from
00:41:28
George at 3:34 Casey made a phone call to her then boyfriend Tony Lazaro but the call goes
00:41:35
unanswered um between 4:10 and 4:14 p.m. Casey made six unanswered phone calls to
00:41:43
her mother now what we see with this cell phone activity you know we have the call from her dad the unanswered calls
00:41:50
to her mom and to the boyfriend uh we see a situation where her cell phone is pinging uh off of a tower that would
00:41:59
indicate that she is near the house near the Anthony home up until about 411 p.m.
00:42:07
now it's believed that at this time she left the home and she was driving toward
00:42:12
Tony lazzaro's apartment um at 7:54 p.m. that night we have video footage for this uh Casey Anthony and Tony Lazaro
00:42:23
are seen entering and walking around casually at a Blockbuster Video Store remember those the blue buildings they
00:42:30
had the videos that they would rent you m um so we have Tony and Casey they're at the Blockbuster that evening on
00:42:38
videotape um and they they're renting movies they rent uh the movie jumper and untraceable um there is video footage of
00:42:47
this of the two of them walking up and down the aisle looking for something interesting to watch but the Curious
00:42:52
Thing here trolling around just trolling around the curious thing here is that Kaye is not with them in any of this
00:42:59
video footage on to the following day we at June 17th 2008 uh George and Cindy Anthony would later report that on this
00:43:09
date that they noticed that the gate to the swimming pool is open and that the ladder is next to the pool they had one
00:43:16
of those ladders that you had to kind of you had to place it onto the above ground pool and you could take it down
00:43:22
later for for safety precautions um the the the thing here is there are several people at Cindy's work that did state
00:43:33
that that on they remember at least one occasion Cindy explaining that the the pool the the ladder to the pool was left
00:43:41
up on many occasions um stating that she actually thought that people while she was at work that neighborhood kids were
00:43:49
climbing in the pool and swimming in the pool while nobody was at the house that's possible um now a lot of these
00:43:55
well I shouldn't say a lot all of the people that reported remembering having heard her say this they could not give a
00:44:01
date they could not place a date on this right um so we don't know if this 17th is is just good for Cindy's story or if
00:44:08
it's factual um but what also took place that day is that Casey Anthony posted a
00:44:13
message on her uh Facebook page and again I'll use air quotes when I describe this person her to her friend
00:44:20
well it's on her friend's page Amy uh the girl that she stole the checks from and on her Facebook page she writes
00:44:27
cheer me up lady I love you and I can't wait to get you finally moved in um I'm guessing they might be talking about the
00:44:35
ex-boyfriend's apartment or something on the next day on the 18th uh Casey is visiting with friends again without Kaye
00:44:44
uh during this visit Casey tells her friends that her parents are having a lot of problems that Casey's father
00:44:51
George has been cheating on Cindy and that the two two were going to get divorce uh she told her friends that her
00:45:00
mother had told her that George is going to be out of the picture and then it would just be the three of them girls um
00:45:08
but also that same night she she tells her friends that she's planning to buy a home um in a subdivision on Curry Road
00:45:17
stating that the home would be just for her and kayy and that she was planning on spending about
00:45:23
$250,000 to buy a nice home for the two of them wait this is what this is what Casey is saying yes case yeah yeah so
00:45:31
you have this story at the beginning of the night about the parents are going to
00:45:34
split up two $250,000 home mhm with that job you've been working really hard that
00:45:40
fictitious job you've been working really hard for two years at a fictitious job and you're going to buy a
00:45:45
house for $250,000 M stealing money from all your family members okay on the 19th
00:45:52
Casey makes arrangements for her and Tony to go look at at an apartment together uh according to the guy that
00:45:59
showed them the apartment this is actually somebody that Casey had gone to high school with uh he says that Casey
00:46:06
was very upbeat during the visit uh she was full of smiles she was extremely happy and that YOLO bro well and he he
00:46:15
says that he was happy with the the meeting as well because uh it seemed to him that the decision whether or not
00:46:23
they were going to get the apartment mostly fell on Tony uh whether he liked the apartment or not because the
00:46:30
situation was explained to him that Tony would have to break his current lease remember he's at the condo uh to get a
00:46:36
new place I probably should check myself and calm down a little bit and get back
00:46:42
into just the podcast all right all right well try try to remain calm because this might upset you um now
00:46:49
later that day and this is well into the evening and maybe it's because they wanted to go out and celebrate well let
00:46:55
me just just tell a little story about Tony's his roommates just so we have this kind of picture going she starts
00:47:01
saying this guy Tony which is you know he's like college age yeah he's a DJ and his friends are kind of DJs and throw
00:47:08
these parties no big deal what is interesting about this is when she first started visiting Tony she brought her
00:47:15
child around right and so Kaylee was around and and it seemed like all the roommates were like oh this is a cool
00:47:22
little kid mhm you know and and a lot of kids even though they're in early 20s a
00:47:26
lot of people have you know uh younger siblings or whatever so they all really liked Kaye and then it was like I'm
00:47:36
going to come over and bring my kid for a couple weeks and then it became I'm not taking my kid over anymore so it was
00:47:44
weeks and weeks of the roommates going oh hey where Hey where's your daughter oh well she's with grandparents or she's
00:47:51
with the nanny well I just want to kind of set that scene for you yeah and and and by this point we're at the 19th you
00:47:58
know she stayed the night there a couple nights in a row without the daughter um
00:48:03
but you know they've looked at the apartment and now they're going to go out to the nightclub and like I said I
00:48:08
don't know if it's they were celebrating because they were going to get an apartment together or if they were just
00:48:13
you know out at one of Tony's functions or whatever or networking or yeah yeah but this is somewhat could be somewhat
00:48:20
related to Tony's work um the the thing here is this is is the this is the night
00:48:28
that we all kind of know about because they go out on the 19th and they're partying until the early morning hours
00:48:34
of the 20th well that's where that famous picture is from where she's in the blue dress and she's you know
00:48:41
dancing on another on another woman um trolling around yeah so that's that's the night that this picture is from and
00:48:49
this is the picture that they claim she was paid for was a promotional picture but this is also the one that they claim
00:48:55
that it was a hot body contest yeah yeah this is this is a photograph that was that took place when she was
00:49:01
participating in the hot body contest at the fusion night club well good thing it
00:49:06
wasn't like a hot face contest cuz she wouldn't have won a couple days later on the 23rd of June Anthony Lazaro would
00:49:13
later testify that he helped Casey Anthony break into the shed at her parents home to take gas cans for
00:49:20
Casey's car uh this car had run out of gas obviously uh Lazaro said that he watched Casey open the trunk of her car
00:49:29
and he did not see the inside of the trunk uh but he did he did state that he did not detect any odor or remembered uh
00:49:37
detecting any odor when that took place mhm on the 24th the next day George Anthony calls the police to report a
00:49:45
Breakin um to report the gas cans is missing um later this day he sees Casey at the Anthony residence and he
00:49:54
confronts her about taking the gas cans uh George said that when he went to get the cans out of Casey's car she like
00:50:02
runs past him she quickly opens up the truck what actually happens is he was asking for a jack because he was you
00:50:09
know where you Jack the car up and he was going to jack his wife's car up so he could change the tires and when he
00:50:16
said I want to go get that Jack out of your car she was like no no no no no I got it she runs past him opens up the H
00:50:23
the trunk pulls out the jack and by the way here's your gas cans M and that's where he gets upset because
00:50:32
he's going well you make me look like a jackass because I called and reported these stolen and I always found it weird
00:50:38
that he called and reported the gas cans as stolen but when I looked into it a little more there there's there's more
00:50:44
to that story you know they actually physically broke into the shed you know growing up we had a shed in our backyard
00:50:51
we we we my house we didn't keep it locked most of the time anybody could have just walked in there um but his
00:50:57
situation he had a pad lock or some kind of lock on the shed that was actually broken so that the person could get in
00:51:03
and and steal the gas can so that makes sense to me now having the full report of it it's also 2008 SO gas was a lot
00:51:11
more expensive you know you're looking at four to $5 a gallon maybe more in Florida well and and what else does this
00:51:18
tell you if somebody's willing to break into the shed you know this is something
00:51:21
you want to report regardless of how small the item is that they may have Tak on the uh 30th of June uh this is when
00:51:30
the vehicle is towed um to the lot um it had sat there for a few days um and her
00:51:38
her purse and a child's car seat are found in the back seat of that Pontiac Sunfire and on July 2nd 2008 well that's
00:51:47
when Casey gets the very famous bellita tattoo on her back we've all seen pictures of that tattoo um and then that
00:51:55
takes us to roughly July 15th and 16th uh this being when George and Cindy pick up the vehicle the Sunfire from the
00:52:03
impound lot um and they bring the vehicle home and they finally get Casey home that evening on the 15th and then
00:52:11
they discover that the granddaughter is missing um some things that I do want to
00:52:15
point out is regarding some statements that the uh that Tony Lazaro and his roommates have said uh that took place
00:52:23
during this time you know they had you know Casey would stay there you know this that wasn't super abnormal
00:52:31
um however she would never stay for an extended period of time like this and she was there basically basically
00:52:37
staying the entire time um one thing there was a few things that the guys found odd about her her visit let's say
00:52:45
first of all they never saw Kaylee during any of that visit during that 30 some days which they found to be
00:52:53
extremely strange however Casey had a story for that and the story was that her parents were going to be separating
00:53:00
and that there was a lot of arguing going on at the Anthony household and that she didn't want to be there and she
00:53:06
didn't want her daughter to be there furthermore because this condo is occupied by by a bunch of college age
00:53:13
dudes um she didn't think that it was the place was fit for her daughter to be staying there for an extended period of
00:53:19
time and that Kaylee was simply off with the nanny uh that she was being watched
00:53:24
uh daily and nightly by the Nanny um the the other thing that they found strange
00:53:30
was unless they went to the club or unless one of them went somewhere with Casey she never seemed to really leave
00:53:38
which they found strange because she supposedly had this job now one thing they were they kind of they kind of
00:53:44
overlooked some of this stuff I think because they did say while she was there you know she was she was in a good mood
00:53:51
all the time she was extremely friendly she was cleaning up after them she was cooking meals um when they asked her
00:53:58
about her job you know don't you have a job to go to uh she basically told them that uh her boss was really cool and
00:54:06
because they had a computer there she was able to do a lot of the work uh her event coordinator position uh for
00:54:13
Universal she was able to do a lot of that work at the apartment yeah yeah guess when you have
00:54:20
a fictitious job she's got an answer for everything you can do a fictitious work
00:54:25
on any computer you can even do fictitious work for your fictitious job at a fictitious computer well and the
00:54:33
other thing too is they noticed that that more often than not I think even one of the guys reported that he
00:54:39
believed that every time that Casey's cell phone would ring that she would get up leave the apartment and take the call
00:54:49
outside uh and they would see her pacing back and forth outside on these phone calls some of them were long phone calls
00:54:56
well some people are Pacers when they talk on the phone I I am one of those uh and but maybe at the time it probably
00:55:04
didn't seem that suspicious oh well she's going to talk on the phone maybe she just wants some a quiet space yes
00:55:09
right and who knows who she's talking to I mean it could be talking to you would
00:55:13
assume probably the nanny or your parents or or somebody of that nature yeah and it's assumed Now by most um
00:55:22
that a lot of those calls were the calls that Cindy was making to Casey trying to
00:55:27
find out where they are do they need anything uh when is she going to see Kaye um things like that and you know
00:55:34
Casey always seemed to have an answer for when Cindy would call because you know Cindy was like well at least let me
00:55:43
let me say hi to her you know let me talk to her real quick right she's here or there yeah she's well she's not with
00:55:48
me she's napping uh you know she's with the nanny uh so there was always an answer now well you hear that in the 911
00:55:56
tape too I think pretty well M so when she says uh I I I gave you I gave you a many of times many of days no more days
00:56:07
yeah you don't get any more days yeah and actually at one point Cindy pushed her pretty bad you know like well you
00:56:14
you got to at least you got to at least come by the house or you know let's at least let me see Kaye and I don't know
00:56:22
exactly the date but there was supposed to be there was a date that Casey agreed
00:56:28
to go back to the Anthony home um and I believe it was on a Monday and she was to bring Kaylee over to see the
00:56:35
grandparents well that day came and went well Cindy calling Casey repeatedly finally gets Casey on the phone to say
00:56:43
hey what happened we were supposed to We were supposed to hang out today I was supposed to see Kaye today what happened
00:56:49
and Casey states that um zany was driving and she was in a uh in a accident oh of course and it was a
00:56:58
pretty severe accident in that zany would be staying at the Tampa hospital and Casey and a friend of hers uh who
00:57:06
who they were going to do the surgery for well her friend supposedly her her daughter was being watched by the Nanny
00:57:14
as well right right and so uh but you would you'd feel so disrespected as yeah you're the
00:57:21
grandparents but like I said you're doing all the actions of that actual parents you know especially George you
00:57:28
know this it you are the Father Figure in this baby's life and so it doesn't matter if you move out you know what I
00:57:37
mean if you have a grandkid those grandparents want to be involved MH hey that's fine that you're you're out and
00:57:44
you're doing your thing that's fine just make some time we want to see it we've done all these things to help you and to
00:57:51
help your daughter just you know we just want to see the kid mhm well regarding that accident with zany um Not only was
00:57:58
she in the Tampa hospital um but her and her friend as well as the kids were forced to stay in a hotel in the Tampa
00:58:07
area and they weren't going to leave until Zan's um family members came in from out of town to be with her so it's
00:58:16
it's a situation of we see her basically buying time you know buying buying a few
00:58:22
hours or buying an evening and then with something like this Tampa situation we see her buying multiple days I can get I
00:58:29
can get Mom off my back for multiple days uh interesting question I don't know the answer but I wonder if they
00:58:36
actually did research on the on the the DJ and the room the boyfriend and the roommates of their computers what she
00:58:44
was searching for you know why she was doing her fictitious work what Casey Anthony was searching for on those
00:58:50
computers probably a lot of Myspace and Facebook activity would be my guest pretending pretending to work no yeah I
00:58:59
understand that but I I wonder if there'd be some incriminating stuff you know you know what
00:59:05
happens when you're charged with murder right right all right you want to give final thoughts on this we haven't even
00:59:13
got to the trial yet I mean we there's so much more to cover we get some people have to work the allegations by the
00:59:19
defense team what the prosecution alleged happens I mean it's one of the one of the most
00:59:25
fascinating and more intriguing trials that I can recall and it has significance in in uh True Crime history
00:59:32
so we got a lot more to get to all right and well let's get to that next week yeah cuz I got to get out of here I
00:59:38
entered myself in the hot body contest down at the Jimmy's Chicken Shack you're you have no chance of
00:59:48
winning oh have you seen the man at the Jimmy's Chicken Shack I don't I don't even know I haven't they're full of
00:59:54
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