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gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] in August of
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1995 the quiet safe Suburban town of Springfield Illinois was rocked by a shocking and horrific crime it was a
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Tuesday afternoon when the following 911 call was made emergency emergency help me my God my
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wife stop breathing okay you need an amulance I need everything I need everything pleas yes help me what's the
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problem I just shot this man in my house he's inside your house my he beat my wife is he in there right now
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yeah does he have a gun her planes are everywhere where's the man he's laying on the
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floor is he dead I don't know he's making weird sounds 2 slow down I can't understand you slow
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down is the man still in your house yes he's laying there on the floor the bullet in his head did you shoot him yes
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I shot him he was killing my wife please my baby's crying my baby's crying I got to go I'll call you right
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back Winger yes yes this is the police department we've got officers in route I need to know what's going on there my
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wife is dying on the floor okay is she still alive I think so okay we've got ambulance in route and we've got police
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officers in route where is the gun I pest it on the table it's on the table it's on the table please Dad please come
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here we got people on the way who is this man I don't I don't know who he is he's still inside the house yeah she's
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laying on the floor okay I got to hold my wife I got to get to my wife okay are you Mark
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Winger yes I am yes I am okay and your wife is Donna yes she is when did the man come here I know a few minutes ago I
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got to get to my wife please just let me get to my wife I W hang up okay okay is
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that option okay my door's open okay as you heard the man on the phone is Mark Winger sadly his wife did not
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survive the attack now two people are dead and each were killed by someone else Mark's wife Donna was brutally
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killed in her own home and her killer was then gunned down and killed in self-defense this is true crime garage
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and this is the case of Mark and Donna Winger [Music] on August 29th 1995 the Springfield
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Illinois police received a 911 call from a distraught man at 2305 West View Drive
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in a nice family neighborhood Mark Winger was on the phone his wife had been attacked in their home he shot the
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attacker he's requesting emergency medical technicians and the police to come immediately to his home mark Winger
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hung up on the 911 operator because as you heard he says his baby was crying the responding officers found the front
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door of the Winger's home unlocked this is a onlevel brick ranch home cautiously
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they walked into a very bloody murder scene Mark Winger the man who had called police was crouching over a woman who
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lie on the floor he was crying hysterically the woman Donna Winger his wife is lying face down there is blood
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all over her she has obvious and very violent visible head trauma a bloody claw hammer lay nearby
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next to another body this is the body of a man with two visible gunshot wounds to
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his head police find a 45 caliber pistol lying on the dining room table living in
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the home we have a family of three mark his wife Donna and their newborn adopted
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daughter Bailey and it isn't like law enforcement has to guess how one of the people died because Mark already told
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them on the phone I shot a man Mark identifies the woman on the floor is his wife Donna she is still alive at this
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time now emt's rushed her to Memorial Medical Center where she herself worked as an operating room Tech doctors
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recognized her but could not save her after 40 minutes of trying they called it and the time of death was
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539 p.m. the Intruder the injured man at the scene was somehow still alive as well but barely and he was dead before
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arriving at the hospital an officer at the scene this is Officer Dave baringer managed to shoot three photos
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of the bloody crime scene with a polaroid he had in his car before the two people lying on the floor were taken
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away by the EMTs detectives Charlie Cox and Doug Williamson also arrived at the Winger home before the EMTs removed the
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victims detective Cox removed the wallet from the pocket of the mail victim and took a look at his ID he quickly
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surveyed the scene but it was chaos the EMTs were working very hard trying to save both of these individuals
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and it's kind of a messy home and there was blood everywhere this was an incredibly bloody crime scene and we
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have one of the officers saying quote I've been in crime scene work a long time and there's been very few that I've
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had that and there's very few that I have had that was as severe and as bloody as this one was end quote that's
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from detective Cox that's from the great work that they're doing over at this show 48 hours they needed to get to the
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bottom of what happened here obviously and Captain we have detective Cox and detective Williamson they found Mark
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Winger the 911 caller he's in his bedroom at some point during this process rocking back and forth he's
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holding a bloody T-shirt with blood on his neck and arms right police incident reports describe him as distraught as we
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would expect him to be and constantly asking how his wife was doing once once they could get him to
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talk he explained to them what had happened or at least what he had seen and witnessed leading up to their
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arrival Mark said that he had been on the treadmill in his basement of their home doing his usual run around 5:00
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p.m. this is when he heard a noise coming from the upstairs he said it sounded like a loud thud so he went
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upstairs to see what was going on and was concerned when he noticed that his 3month old daughter Bailey was lying on
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a bed alone and crying so then he hears Donna scream so Mark grabs his gun from the bedside table drawer and ran down
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the hall toward the front door when he came to the dining room to his [ __ ] Mark saw a Man attacking his wife Donna
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he told the officers that he did didn't recognize this man didn't know who he was but this man was hitting his wife on
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the head with a hammer she was kneeling on the ground the man is kind of bent over her the man stood up when he saw
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Mark looked at him and then looked back down at Donna frantically Mark aimed his
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gun at the man and fired it hitting him in the head the man fell backwards Mark shot him again just seconds later the
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according to the Chicago Tribune that did an expose on this case which I heavily relied on in researching this
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this episode Mark called the police then he realized the guy was groaning so he whacked him in the chest with the hammer
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until he was still he himself got all bloody during this process and this is because he was
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frantically holding his injured wife now Mark told the cops that he had no idea who this man was who the man was that he
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had shot but the officers looking at the attackers ID said his name was Roger Harrington the detectives told Mark that
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the dead guy was Roger Harrington and immediately Mark reacted saying oh my God this guy has been harassing us all
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week but it seems pretty simple so far we have a husband that's covered in blood because he was holding and his
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dying wife we had a intruder that comes in and attacks the wife he stops the attack by shooting the man the guy is
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not dead when when police arrive but like you said later on will'll die but it seems pretty simple
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and the evidence that's in front of us seems to make his story makes sense right well and of course when he tells
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the police hey this guy's been harassing us all week when he's told the name of the the individual of course they want
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to know what do you mean harassing you all week so then Mark tells the detectives this very bizarre story he
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says that up until this day and when he walked into the room mid murderous attack on his wife Donna he had never
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physically seen this guy Roger Harrington before but that he and his wife had been having a major problem
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with this guy and he tells the police that this started the week before Donna's murder when Donna went on a
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week-long trip to visit her parents in Florida so she takes their New Daughter Bailey with her and she stays with her
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mom her mom's name is Sarah Jan and her stepdad which is Ira dresser upon her return on August 23rd she hires a car
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service and this is so that she could have a ride for her and Bailey from the St Louis airport all the way to their
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home so she used a company called Bart transportation and the drive would be a long one it was approximately a 100
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miles from the St Louis airport to their home Roger Harrington the man that is found near death shot on their floor the
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Intruder and the attacker here Roger Harrington was the driver of that trip mhm now after the long drive she's
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dropped off of course at her home this is when Donna told Mark that this Roger Harrington guy the driver was super
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weird and very inappropriate with her right he talked her ear off about disturbing things like his ability to
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communicate with the dead and wild sex parties that he attended he talked about some violent fantasies that he has
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saying that voices were telling him to kill people sometimes while he's at work yeah that's great to hear while you're
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in the car this dude's at his work and you're in the car with your little baby yeah I I just call that a typical
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Tuesday he said he had a live bomb at his house as well and he said that he had this Alter Ego named Dom and that
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Dom was the one telling him to hurt people he also drove erratically during this trip which is I mean even without
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the the the horrible conversation is going to be enough to set you on edge right he's speeding up and slowing down
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he's zipping in and out of lanes Donna was beyond freaked out by the time that she got home when you hear this story it
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sounds unbelievable but normally when a story is so detailed with such strange things you tend to believe somebody even
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more yeah so she gets home she's Beyond freaked out and she tells her husband Mark all about this trip and I mean 100
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mile trip to be hearing this guy kind of go on and on about all this crazy stuff and a lot
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of it pretty violent stuff is terrifying that's a lot of voices in one's head so
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the encounter with Roger Harrington didn't really end as one might expect when Donna got
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out of his car Mark believed that Harrington became fixated on Donna and this Harrington Guy starts calling the
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house anonymously and asking for Donna so Donna was shaken up by this enough that Mark told her to start writing
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everything down so that they had some kind of record of it some reports are that the writing was actually a letter
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of complaint that would be mailed to this Transportation or limo company and he himself Mark called Harrington's
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company that Bart transportation to register an official Complaint right this resulting in Roger Harrington
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getting suspended from the company bye-bye that very morning the morning of the the
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homicide Mark had called Roger Harrington and told him to stay away from his family police found the
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handwritten memo penned by Donna on the family refrigerator it contained all the
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details related to them by Mark and they verified the story with Donna's mother as well Sarah Jane later Donna's mother
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told the media quote she said the guy was really nuts talking about hearing voices and how he needed to do things to
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kill people end quote Donna had been so perturbed by the driver that she called her mom from the car you know while
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she's in this vehicle with this dude she's calling her mom saying hey this guys freaking me out well again more
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evidence that this story that she is telling is true also Donna's friends backed up the part about the phone calls
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you know telling police yes she told us she's receiving these phone calls apparently her friends were quite
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concerned concerned enough to notify the Springfield Police Department who actually put an officer on patrol to be
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on the lookout for any suspicious activity in the neighborhood now clearly this Roger Harrington guy was
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unhinged a background check told police that they were on the right track Roger Harrington didn't have much of a
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criminal history but he did have a history of psychiatric problems and delusions and he had even spent time in
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a mental health facility furthermore he was a high school dropout and he had a hard time
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holding down a job he had mental illnesses but you have to applaud one for trying to seek out and get help
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right I don't know I I don't know if he sought out the help or if he was forced to I it's it's difficult to say unless
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you found something that I didn't but well either way I mean sometimes the person that has a mental illness is
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incapable of seeking out help but what I'm saying is because of the family and everybody surrounding him at least he
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was trying to get treatment correct and I think that some of that stemmed from some violent Outburst that he
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had had so he had some history of violent Outburst but I don't think he had anything on his record no he did
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have a criminal record he had a criminal history just not a lengthy one right now
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at the time he was living in a rented room within a trailer home owned by somebody else so Harrington kind of
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Falls firmly in this undesirable element of society category unlike the Wingers who were hardworking upstanding citizens
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police theorized that the mentally unstable man blamed the Wingers for the loss of his job since Mark had
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complained about him to his company and had maybe had gone out off of the deep end after losing this job but that
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wasn't all detective Cox had a history with Roger Harrington one of the officers he happened to own a trailer
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park in town where Harrington had lived with his ex-wife he said that he had to get involved D in some domestic disputes
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between the two and Harrington was volatile and had a bad temper once Cox had to pull Harrington off of his wife
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this guy you know was bad news as far as detective Cox was concerned and detective Cox had no problem believing
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that he could have gone over to the Wingers to try to get his job back or appeal to Donna and Mark and in the
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course of doing so maybe he lost his temper and picks up a hammer and then kills Donna with it in a full-on rage
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attack of course a death is going to have a big impact on your family but this is not just a death this is a
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murder yes this is the murder of a young wife and mother the neighbors the Winger's extended family and everyone in
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the Winger Circle were all flabbergasted and horrified by Donna's death it was of
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course incredibly shocking that to everyone that she was attacked in her own home by this deranged man who was
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stalking her it was especially tragic because everyone knew Mark and Donna adored each other and had a model
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marriage and they finally had a family a little girl Bailey they fulfilled this dream of theirs adopting a baby Mark and
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Donna welcomed baby Bailey into their family just 3 months before Donna's murder now she was motherless
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it says quote we felt terrible for him look what he's lost he's lost his wife also and then he had to turn around and
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shoot a man this was from Ira dreser Donna's stepfather he and his wife Sarah Jan unequivocally supported Mark
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throughout the whole ordeal and for years afterwards 6 weeks after Donna's death Mark wrote a letter to a
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Springfield newspaper thanking the community for their support of him and his family
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throughout these tragic events he wrote glowingly about how Donna was filled with compassion for others and
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exemplified Humanity through her good deeds yeah very difficult to take an individual's life but probably also it
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weigh on you more that you didn't get to your wife's defense sooner let's take a look at who the uh Wingers are and
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their family and and what we can learn about them because the detectives were inclined to write up their incident
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reports reflecting the events as Mark Winger had related them to them but of course they had to do their due
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diligence right they took some time to look into Mark and Donna Winger Mark was a first cousin of the actress Deborah
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Winger Deborah has been in a bunch of stuff but notably she played [ __ ] DAV in one of my favorite old movies Urban
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Cowboy now Mark Winger himself was a real success story Mark graduated from Virginia Military Institute with a
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degree in physics and then served in active duty in Korea after his service was up he remained in the Army Reserves
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even while working as an engineer for the state of Illinois he was making $62,000 a year mark and Donna met in
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Florida in 1987 they were married in 1989 and moved to Springfield from South Florida in 90
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or 91 they had tons of friends and their friends and family all told detectives the same thing Mark and Donna loved each
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other and had a special bond quote it was very apparent that he and his wife were very much in love and that this
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should never have happened this was even stated in the report this is a directly
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from the report written by detective Cox so as you can see they're a bit of a power couple here Captain uh both both
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successful individuals they have a yes they have a great marriage and now finally they have their baby so as said
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these Wingers are thrilled that they finally brought home Bailey baby or sorry the Wingers are thrilled that they
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finally brought home baby Bailey because they tried for three years to have a baby of their own the adoption was still
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technically officially pending at the time of Donna's murder but as far as the Wingers were concerned Bailey was their
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child Donna was on maternity leave from work and spent her time caring for the newborn on the murder sorry on the
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morning that she died she actually brought Bailey to Mark's office to introduce the baby to
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all of his co-workers so this was supposed to be a happy day a normal busy working Tuesday an additional
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testamentary to the Winger wholesomeness detectives quickly learned that they were very active in the local Jewish
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community and within their Temple this is Temple bth H this is Temple Barth Shalom while detectives were questioning
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Mark in fact his his and Donna's Rabbi Mark dats was present offering consolation and comfort to the very
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distraught husband it seems like everybody's testimony points the idea that this is a loving couple that were
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starting their family together they were both successful and then tragedy hit [Music]
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[Applause] [Music] all right we're back that's a little nod to uh Stabbing Westward oh yeah yeah I
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missed the Stabbing Westward that was a good band do you hear it a little bit of
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course I hear yeah cheers everyone now as for the crime scene here Captain really it looks like there was only a
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couple things that were called into question uh one thing that gave detectives pause was that the hammer
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used by Roger Harrington to strike Donna came from within the Winger's home it belonged to the Wingers
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so this seemed to be one of maybe just two mysteries in the case and what should be a pretty open shut case but of
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course we're going to wonder why Roger Harrington didn't bring his own hammer or his own choice of weapon to the scene
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of the murder but then again it also seems likely that Roger Harrington did not come to the home with the intention
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of bludgeoning Donna to death or even attacking anyone because it was thought that he had confronted her or wanted to
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confront her with his feelings and then at some point maybe she rejected him or they get into an argument and then he
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grabs the hammer right but of course police want to know well why is the hammer there lying around to be grabbed
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by an asent in the first place well that is easily answered so Donna had taken the hammer out of the toolbox and left
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it out on the dining room table this as a reminder to mark that he was to hang a
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hat rack that Donna recently purchased right the detectives understood this often having received gentle reminders
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from their own wives to get things done around their own homes now as for the gun of course it made sense that Mark
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would set it down on the table before grabbing Donna in his arms as said the police found the gun on the table he
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says you can hear him say on 911 that that the gun is on the table of course the the 911 operator wants to figure
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that out in advance if she can pass that along to the officers the responding officers hey that there's nobody holding
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a gun uh when you walk into this home right another thing that was strange was that there was no sign of forced entry
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into the house so how Roger got into the house we don't really know we don't know
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exactly why he was and this is something that was stated by the Springfield police well yeah and because if you have
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these harassing calls and then this gentleman shows up to your house you would assume that you wouldn't let him
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in right so Mark tells the detectives that hey you know he reminds them this is it's daytime and you know this is a a
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family friendly safe neighborhood he and Donna he said were not in the habit of locking their door while they were home
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awake and moving around the house you know they would kind of check the doors before going to bed let's just let me
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just give everybody a nice little piece of advice here lock your doors yeah so using the information gathered from a
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Mark B Donna's note C supporting information from her family and all the testimonials about the
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Winger's marriage and an upstanding moral character and finally D what they learned about Roger Harrington and his
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alter ego Dom telling him to hurt people and the strange heavy breathing phone calls being made to the Winger home
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detectives quickly concluded the following on the day of the deaths Harrington drove over to the Winger's
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home he parked outside and somehow got Donna to answer the door either let him in or maybe he forced his way in maybe
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she opens the door tells him to leave and then he forces his way in right at some point he grabs the hammer off of
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the table in a rage and he hit Donna in the back of the head as she tried to flee from him the autopsy reflected that
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Donna had seven blows to the back of her head all caused by a hammer wow when Donna fell to the floor it caused the
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thud that Mark heard from in the basement while he's on the treadmill he runs up the stairs discovers what's
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going on and he shoots Roger Harrington to death trying to protect his wife or or or stop the attack on his wife but as
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you point out and as we know Captain unfortunately it was just too late one of the things that I've always thought
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was strange about how they tried to piece together how Harrington got into the house was they found a coffee cup or
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coffee mug and his cigarettes at the dining room table right you'd think that would be a weird
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way to like force yourself into the house you you never see in a movie hey let me in and by the way I got some
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coffee I don't want to Spill and I'm also holding my cigarettes well and I think that's why they question if
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possibly Donna had let him in for some reason or maybe he discovers the the door unlocked right but now she is
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deceased so she can't tell us and Mark was downstairs so we just don't know yeah and I think to me that kind of
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backs up the idea that maybe he wasn't there with the intention to harm or kill when he first gets there as you pointed
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out bringing the coffee mug and cigarettes to the home with him and setting them down inside but I think
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what we have here though too Captain when you're looking at this is that it seems like it's it's a case of deadly
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Obsession that at some point yeah Roger Harrington who seems to be already a loose cannon anyway or at least a little
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derailed this based off of the conversation that he's having with Donna in the vehicle while he's driving her
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and the harassing phone calls that maybe he did become somewhat obsessed with her
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or obsessed with getting revenge or some form and now we have what looks to be mark who is Justified in The Taking of
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the life of the man who killed his loving wife and life partner so this is just tragedy all
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around yeah but in this Safe Community they're going to start looking at Mark as a as a hero one of the first
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newspaper articles covering the deaths this is from September 6th in the Florida Sun Sentinel read quote in a
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stunning act of violence that has scarred communities in Illinois in Florida Winger age 31 was hammered to
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death last week by a limousine driver who 6 days earlier had shuttled her from St Louis airport to her Springfield
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Illinois home on the very day after the deaths an attorney the state's attorney Patrick Kelly announced that the state
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considered the slaying of Roger Harrington to be a case of justifiable homicide right and so a Coroner's jury
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found the same Mark Winger would not be charged with anything the forms were stamped the evidence was boxed up and
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the case was closed Springfield police had investigated for a total of 3 days you know checking all the boxes doing
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their due diligence Mark Winger was sent home to take care of his new baby girl his wife Donna was buried after a Jewish
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ceremony detective Cox went so far far as to call Mark Winger a hero like you said Captain and the public and the
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media agreed but they did do autopsies on on both individuals correct it's required by law so this is the the
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aftermath part the the sad part right Captain so after all of this poor Mark is left alone he's left to raise a baby
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on his own mourn the loss of his wife and maintain his job as an engineer seems like quite a bit seems
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like too much right he sought Financial Relief by filing a claim under the Crime
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Victims compensation act and was awarded $25,000 because he was ex-military the USAA Insurance paid out a
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$150,000 policy on Donna Winger Mark used the funds to hire a full-time nanny for Bailey he also put the house he and
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Donna had lived in on the market saying that it was just too painful to stay there yeah I mean it's a crime scene
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yeah I it's it's it's going to be a constant reminder of the tragedy of the loss yeah but also what he had to do I
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mean it's it's not like yes everybody wants to defend their loved ones but it's not like there's not repercussions
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for doing So eventually he got a promotion at work um rising to the title of Chief supervisor of the Illinois
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Department of nuclear safety Mark he's trying to move on he's he's trying to rebuild his life pick up
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the pieces and rebuild his life and continue on for his daughter going forward now Mark told the same story
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each time anytime he was asked about this by police or anyone else he's telling the same story every time he
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says he ran down the hall from the bedroom and as he approached the dining room this is when he says he saw Roger
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Harrington hitting Donna with the hammer he said he fired his gun his handgun at
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Harrington twice the first shot was from several feet down the hall and it hit Roger Harrington in the head as
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Harrington standing up Roger Harrington Falls backwards away from Donna the second shot he fired right into
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Harrington's forehead as he tried to Rise Up from the floor so a shot in the back of the head and then when he turns
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around a shot in the front of the head yes and you asked about the autopsies and there is a slight problem with
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Mark's story so this problem is that the autopsy shows that Roger Harrington was
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first shot in the upper back of his head so it it's it's not exactly spoton with
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Mark's story here now the detectives they pretty much chalk this up to or I'm kind of guessing for them
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here Captain maybe they likely check chalk this up to Mark just misremembering I mean this all this
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stuff's happen happening very fast right it's jarring he sees an attack on his wife this is not anything that you
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expect to run into you never expect to run into a situation like this so if you don't get everything 100% correct I
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think that it's easily understandable you've been through the the the big the biggest tragedy of your life and now
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you're asked to give us a detailed statement of how the whole thing went down I put more weight to him not being
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able to remember because he shoots the man trying to protect his wife and then there's all these events that happen
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before he's able to tell please what happened so he's calling 911 he's checking on his wife he's checking on
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the guy he's trying to figure you know put the pieces together in his head what the hell just happened it's a flurry of
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activity and Mark likely just misremembering the details in the blur of the event perhaps Roger Harrington
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was bending over Donna and that's how Mark first shot him in in the back of the head but that was hardly the only
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inconsistency and detective Williamson began to feel uneasy very uneasy about this whole
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situation there was this nagging feeling at him that there was something missing
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from the story or there was some puzzle piece that wasn't fitting in with the overall crime scene and the overall
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activities of this situation another thing that didn't really add up was the timing between the two
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gunshots on the 911 call Mark can be heard saying that the guy on the floor has a bullet in his head right remember
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Mark told the police that he shot Roger Harrington twice in quick succession boom boom Forensic Files reports that a
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neighbor heard two gunshots so this backs up Mark story right but not exactly because the neighbor says I
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heard two gunshots and they were roughly about 5 minutes apart so not boom boom boom four and a half five minutes go by
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and then boom again well it's more like boom you know go make a cup of coffee have a
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cigarette and then and then come back and shoot him again so the problem with that is pretty obvious if that all is
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true then it calls into question Mark's facts of how things went down and how and when did the second
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bullet get fired into Roger Harrington I mean that's a big one where I'm just going to put a you know just put a
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little flag up and go okay again but this eyewitness maybe she maybe she's misremembering the shell casings found
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at the scene were also problematic Mark told detectives that he had shot at Roger Harrington while Mark while he
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Mark was in the hallway outside the dining room these shell casings from Mark's gun ejected backwards
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yet the two casings were found in the dining room on the carpeted floor so this you know in fact they're in physics
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and all that good stuff and this is really just an impossibility if Mark story were
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true these shell casings should not have been found in that dining room yeah but
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what we know from Mark as he is moving around he tells the 911 operator that he's checking in on his kid
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he's checking in on his wife he holds his wife once he goes and touches his wife he already contaminated the crime
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scene so it's not unreasonable to think that he didn't maybe kick the shell casings I I mean I guess but uh that
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that's whether I he must have done it unknowingly I I don't know I'm just calling into question what the
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detectives are seeing at the scene and what they're calling put a little pin in it saying hey this is a little
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suspicious the detective spoke to other folks who lived in the trailer where 27-year-old Roger Harrington was renting
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a room and they told the police that they were fairly certain that Roger Harrington had gotten a phone call that
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morning and it was from Mark Winger now you'll recall that Mark told police that
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yeah he had called Roger Harrington and warned him saying hey stay away from my family quit calling us quit harassing us
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stay away from my family and we know that he called Roger Harrington's boss and asked for
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Harrington's phone number so he could call him directly and tell him to leave his wife alone so that doesn't seem to
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be such a big deal but the roommates said no that was not what Roger Harrington told them about the phone
00:42:50
call Trisha Ray whose mom owned the trailer told police that she was certain that Roger Harrington told her that Mark
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called him and invited him over to his home to discuss the complaint that Mark made to Harrington's employer Harrington
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wanted to make peace with Mark so he could keep his job and Trisha said he was eager to go to that meeting
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