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crime [Music] our story has a beautiful start to it because of the setting this week's case
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takes place in historic Virginia on a Scenic Parkway an area treasured by all Americans for its Colonial history and
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natural beauty this is a gorgeous 23m stretch of road that belongs to the National Park
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Service a desirable Drive linking the three points of Virginia's historic triangle Jamestown Williamsburg and
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Yorktown a roadway shielded from commercial development that does not allow semi-rs it is
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toll-free and has speed limits of just 35 to 45 mph it is also popular with tourists due
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to the James River and York River ends of the parkway an area that many have and will go out of their way to see and
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travel but then starting in 1986 there was great cause to avoid this area especially after
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dark because during the course of four years not one not two not even three but four brutal and senseless double murders
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of young couples terrorized the Colonial Parkway region and then one day just as suddenly as it
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all had began the killings stopped now 30 years later the investigation into Virginia's oldest
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serial murder case continues and the murderer remains at large this is the case of the Colonial
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Parkway [Applause] [Music] murders [Applause] [Music] Captain I've received a lot of great
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emails over the past few weeks sending us High Praise for some of our cases that we've covered lately several people
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saying that early 90s mid90s cold cases is the bread and butter of True Crime garage and I appreciate beer and butter
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everyone saying that our case today one that I'm very excited to cover this is a
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case that has always fascinated and intrigued me takes place in the mid to late 80s so we will see if we can
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receive such high praise for this coverage of this case of what I would call a cold case and there's some debate
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onto how cold this case and these cases actually are and we'll certainly get into that before we're through but
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there's what's great about this case there's been a lot of renewed interest in this case and I think it's because of
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the 30-year anniversary mhm we have four double homicides the first that took place in 1986 the second in ' 87 then 88
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and '89 and so what we've seen the last few years is a renewed interest in each one of these cases and the Colonial
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Parkway murders as a whole and we will continue to see that this year and next year as well now before we get into
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these cases that make up the Colonial Parkway murders we need to get a little background on the parkway itself
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understanding the environment of the Colonial Parkway is crucial to the cases we are going to discuss construction
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began on the Colonial Parkway in 1930 and it was completed in portions and would be a project that would take over
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25 years the parkway was designed to follow the York and James Rivers which feed into the Atlantic Ocean on April
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27th 1957 the Colonial Parkway opened for traffic along the entire route between Yorktown and Jamestown the
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Scenic 23m Parkway connects three of the most historic spots in our great country
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Yorktown on the York River where George Washington beat the Red Coats also Williamsburg which is Virginia's
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Colonial capital and Jamestown on the James River where the English settlers first founded colonies way back in 1607
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it is part of the national park services Colonial National Historic Park which is
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a 10,000 acre Federal Park the parkway is windy and curvy with low overpasses no commercial vehicles or structures are
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on the parkway it is a three lane road the center lane is for passing only the tree shaded passage is punctuated with
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Scenic pull-offs and picnic areas and both tourists and locals enjoy these recreational areas during the day to
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read picnic exercise or just enjoy the Virginia's historic culture deer and other Wildlife are often visible on the
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Parkways fringes but at night we have overhanging trees that cover the road and this makes it extremely dark out
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there as it was described in one article there are no street lights no call boxes
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no fast food restaurants or convenience stores where a driver might find refuge in case of a breakdown so once it's dark
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the poffs along the parkway attract a different crowd kids go there to party lovers meet for a nighttime trist or who
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knows what else goes on there after dark a lot of sucking in the 1980s these areas had a reputation among authorities
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as being sites for hookups illegal drugs and underage drinking at any given time
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in the park two Patrol Rangers are on duty the Rangers Drive the parkway until midnight most nights and other nights
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all night long how many Park Rangers two okay at night time it's patrolled by two
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cuz there this is a pretty big Park well it's a 23 Mile stretch of road mhm and the other thing here though there's not
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a lot of access points to get on or off of this 23 Mile Stretch MH and what my thought is here is that you probably
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have you have two guys patrolling it throughout the night but you probably have a dispatcher that's on on call as
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well or or or Manning the phones let's say right who if there were a call could then dispatch a ranger to your location
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now keep in mind though there's no call boxes and this is the 1980s we're not we're not calling people on cell phones
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if we break down yeah unless you're Doc Brown or Marty McFly well technically the park itself closes at Sunset but the
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parkway obviously stays open to traffic overnight some of the picnic areas are closed in the winter months and some
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poffs have a 20-minute parking limit between between the hours of 6:00 a.m. and 10: p.m. but are actually closed
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after 10: p.m. so you're not supposed to be on those things after dark the parkway falls under the Rangers
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jurisdiction because it is federal land owned by the N National Park Service so when a serious crime is committed the
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York County Sheriff's Department is called in with police from neighboring locals assisting but the FBI may also
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become involved in investigations the most common offenses in the the park are violations of driving and liquor laws as
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one would expect to give you a better idea the combined 1988 and 1989 statistics show that there were just
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over 2400 traffic offenses 39 drunken driving charges 92 vehicle accidents where there was damage
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to Vehicles 11 with personal injuries one fatality and five hit and runs there were also two alcohol related accidents
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during the course of those two years one additional aspect of the parkway that is
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intriguing surrounding it are the the cheum annex Naval base and we also have the Yorktown Naval weapons station also
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nearby is Camp Perry which is a compound owned by the defense department where the CIA operates secret training
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missions now let's get to 1986 Captain so back in 1986 Rebecca andori is 21 years old she's from pipy New York and a
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senior at William and Mary a prestigious liberal arts college located in Williamsburg Virginia yeah she
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transferred there from another school after two years and was majoring in business management she went by the
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nickname of Becky and was the youngest of five she was very athletic excelling at softball among other sports and had
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studied abroad in High School Kathleen Thomas aged 27 was from L master Massachusetts well Kathy as she was
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known had attended the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis she was actually one of the first women to
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graduate from the academy in fact Kathy her brother and father were the first father daughter son family to graduate
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from Annapolis that's cool yeah Kathy followed in the footsteps of her father who was a career naval officer her
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family describes her as a Trailblazer obviously she's one of the first women to graduate from from the Naval Academy
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uh but they describe her as loving life and excelled at whatever she wanted to do after graduation Kathy had served 5
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years in the Navy as a protocol officer at Atlantic Fleet headquarters in Norfolk Virginia she had been discharged
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from the Navy earlier 1986 and was now working as a stock broker at broker Securities Incorporated this is in
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Virginia Beach she was athletic and trained in martial arts Thursday night October 9th 1986 was the start of the
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5-day Columbus Day holiday weekend for the College of William and Mary and Kathy was at the college visiting Becky
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as she did each Thursday evening what was not known to everyone at the school was that Kathy and Becky were in a
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romantic relationship and had been dating for about 6 months this was Virginia in the 80s and a lesbian couple
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this is not generally cons considered socially acceptable at this time Becky was Kathy's second steady girlfriend and
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the two actually had been introduced by Kathy's ex now yeah but I think they were dating at the time what's that I
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think they were dating at the time and and that's how they met okay most of Kathy's family knew about her sexuality
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and her relationship with Becky in fact Kathy's brothers and parents were expecting to meet Becky for the first
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time over Thanksgiving Becky family however did not know that she was a lesbian Becky was scheduled to return
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home to pipy for the holiday break her car was packed up and ready to go she had told her parents that she planned to
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stop and visit friends on the way home to New York so she might not arrive until Sunday now Kathy was visiting
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Becky at the college on that Thursday night October 9th her apartment was an hour's Drive Away Becky and Kathy were
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seen in the computer computer lab at William and Mary they left the lab around 9:00 p.m. and left the campus at
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this time as well driving Cathy's car because the two were pretty much forced because of the times to keep their
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relationship on the down low they often would take a drive you know they would go off campus find somewhere that they
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could be alone now friends of theirs said that they would on occasion find a secluded spot along the Colonial Parkway
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on Saturday October 11th Becky's friends whom she had intended to visit on Friday
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and Saturday became alarmed when she never arrived and so they called the police and Virginia Maryland and
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Pennsylvania but nothing came of these calls so these calls they're not really calling to report her as missing but
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more so of an inquiry you know more of a where is she call than we know she is missing call we don't know whether
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anyone at Kathy's job reported that she did not show up for work work on that Friday what we do know is that neither
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woman was reported missing then on Sunday October 12th 1986 around 5:30 p.m. a jogger was running on the banks
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of the York River along the Colonial Parkway near Yorktown this part of the parkway is on
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the grounds of the United States Naval Supply Center it's just 10 miles east of the William and Mary campus this is
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federal property right this jogger spotted Cathy's 1980 White Honda Civic in the bushes the car was found perched
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at a 45° angle front end down in the Bramble covered embankment between a pulloff spot and the York River about 35
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ft from the roadway the Honda wasn't visible from the road but the jogger was running on the river embankment and
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could see areas where passing cars could not the jogger assuming uming that the Honda had been in an accident alerted
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the park rangers who patrolled the parkway Rescuers arrived and broke the rear hatchback window of the car to gain
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access to the two people that they could see inside the car hoping that they were
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still alive so we have Rangers showing up to the scene they find this car in the bushes nose down
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practically one of the Rangers for some reason believes that these individuals could still be alive it's not reported
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which Ranger decided to break the hatchback window right it's a little bit unclear and that might be important
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later and we'll get into that but that will be of some significance regardless the responders worked extremely hard to
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get into that car sadly what they found inside was gruesome not only were the two passengers inside dead but they
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could tell immediately that they were looking at a double homicide Park Rangers called the local field office of
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the FBI and waited for the feds to arrive a short time later the FBI investigators climbed down the
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embankment to the car once they saw the scene inside they photographed the car's
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location and positioning and then they had a record tow the car back up to to the pulloff area near the road there was
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some debate whether they should do this because it's going to disturb their crime scene but the thought was that
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they thought by this point it had been Disturbed enough and that they weren't going to be able to examine the car in
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the manner that they wanted to so they had to kind of roll the dice and say yep let's have the tow truck pull this thing
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up and out of the bushes so we can look at it take a good look at it so what evidence was found by the FBI well they
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found Cathy's body crumbled in the hatchback section of the car Becky's body was in the back seat with her legs
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diagonally pointing to the front seats with one foot wedge between the door and the front seat both women were fully
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clothed and there was no immediate sign of any sexual assault investigators looked for driver's licenses to try to
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identify the victims right both Becky and Cathy's purses were found under the seats but Cathy's wallet was on the
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floor and out of her purse both women's wallets contained money a ring was still
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on Cathy's finger and investigators noted that it did not look like they had been robbed the bodies were taken to the
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State medical examiner's office the car was a mess with broken glass from the shattered back window there were leaves
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and there were there were blood inside the vehicle but a strange thing there was not enough blood according to
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investigators there should have been more meaning it didn't look like the women had been killed inside the car
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right they' had been killed elsewhere and then placed inside the car well because the you know their throats were
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slit yes the the FBI shipped the Honda to the FBI lab in Washington where it was examined using the latest technology
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at the time according to Bill Thomas this is Kathy's brother who has become a victim's advocate in this case and in my
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opinion a 100% expert in this case he says the Honda's driver side window was found in the rolled down
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position um I guess approximately 150 partial fingerprints were found inside the car unfortunately though
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the breaking of the hatchback's rear window by Rescuers destroyed any fingerprints the killer or Killers could
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have left when closing the hatch on Cathy's you know after placing Cathy's body in that section of the car so the
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driver side windows completely rolled down according to the brother according to her brother there are other reports
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that that state that the window was up and and her ID is the one that's found outside of her purse uh that's a good
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question Captain I have in my notes that her her wallet was found on the floor outside of her purse I do not know the
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the specifics regarding her ID okay so what it seems to me is that they pull over off the parkway into a spot that
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we're going to call a Lover's Lane right yeah and they're going to do a little Hanky Panky yeah and at some
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point what it seems like is that somebody approached them uh doesn't look like there's any like wreckage to the
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vehicle they weren't hit doesn't look like anybody hit the car so it seems very that whoever approached them was
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friendly at the time of the approachment yeah that makes any sense and then at some point the driver's side window gets
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rolled down maybe it was rolled down before the person approached them maybe it wasn't but now we have these two it's
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almost like they got out there in information to show somebody mhm like a police officer or um park ranger or
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somebody pretending to be a uh law enforcement well and that has always been one of the huge questions regarding
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this double homicide were the two ladies parked and then approached by a vehicle
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or were they followed to that location yeah were they pulled over yeah well the autopsy reports estimate that Becky and
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Kathy had likely been killed sometime between 9:30 p.m. on October 9th and midnight on October 10th so MH that's
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that's a big window and I think the other thing here that that makes this tricky is the large window of the time
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that they were last known to have been seen on the William and Mary campus to when their bodies are found on that
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Sunday I mean we're talking days later so there is some question as to where was the actual last sighting of these
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two individuals and one being that there was a a sighting of two women at the York Pub this is an area that would be
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near you know they would have went past the York Pub to have gone from William and Mary to where they were eventually
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found the York Pub would be a place that it was more of a restaurant than a bar but people would go there to get
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something to eat maybe have a beer or two while they're there there was thought that the last meal that they ate
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contained hamburger um and that would go along with having been at the York Pub however of those of
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those sightings those are kind of unconfirmed sightings of the two ladies so if we go by the coiners estimation of
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as early as 9:30 p.m. keep in mind this area that they were found is about 10 miles away from the campus that they
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left around 9:00 you know so this could have been a very short time period And as you
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mentioned they could could have been pulled over by somebody that was following them or they parked there to
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talk or whatever for a while and somebody approaches the vehicle and there is a possibility a small
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possibility that they went out there to meet somebody we have no evidence of that but there that is a possibility
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some more evidence Captain the medical examiner found that Kathy and Becky's hands had been bound and they had both
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been strangled with nylon rope their hands had been untied at some point and the Rope had been taken Away by the
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killer since it was not F found at the scene later but rope Burns had been left on the victim's wrist and necks and
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later investigators would find a 3-in piece of rope that was embedded in the back of Kathy's neck although both women
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were strangled their throats had been slit as well beyond the ear to ear Cathy so severely that when her body
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was removed from the car Law Enforcement Officers could see down her windpipe she
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was nearly decapitated now the webbed area between Kathy's right hand at the the thumb and pointer finger area was
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ripped and there was also bruising to this hand as if she had put up a bit of a struggle or had been clawing at the
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Rope around her neck she had a clump of hair in her hand but otherwise the women
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showed few defensive wounds which both families you know we gave a a fair description of both of these
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ladies um both being tough one having completed the Navy Academy right both being athletic both families found it
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extremely strange that the two didn't put up a bigger fight right which makes you wonder did they meet somebody out
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there that they knew or did the person that approached him if it was you know law enforcement or somebody pretending
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to be in law enforcement it'd be a lot easier for this killer to control his victims
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through the brutality of this crime but there's no way around it there there are
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things and I believe Clues within what had happened to these ladies and what was done by the perpetrator or
00:28:25
perpetrators at this crime scene yeah this is not a podcast about soccer right so we have we have some issues here
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Captain because like I said the investigators were shocked at the brutality of this crime they say that it
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was a classic example of Overkill maybe suggesting that it was somebody that knew them and had hatred for one at
00:28:47
least one of these victims MH um but both women were tied up and this is a tricky thing because this might indicate
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the possibility of two perpetrators and the families of both of these women have
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always wondered this because they had wondered why would the other sit there and wait as the single perpetrator tied
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up The Other Woman move and do something and I'm going to Slit her throat right I
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get it I get it you're not moving get if you love that person you're not moving I
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no I get that but there's there's a likelihood that both hands on the perpetrator would be busy at some point
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and the thought the the that the families keep shouting out is how tough these two individuals were and their
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belief that they would fight now Kathy's car and the women's bodies they had been
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doused in diesel fuel now some earli reports state that it was kerosene and and this was very tricky to try to
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decipher most report State diesel fuel some report kerosene I even heard an interview with one of the investigators
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that investigated this crime and he kind of flip-flops back and forth during the
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course of this interview and he even mentions diesel fuel but he also mentions kerosene so I was hoping to get
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some clarification from him regarding this and I don't think we have that like I said most reports State diesel fuel so
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we will roll with that apparently the perpetrator the killer or Killers had attempted to light the car on fire
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several matches were found at the top of the embankment the car had been put into
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neutral and pushed down the hill toward the river where it became lodged in the bushes diesel fuel apparently does not
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ignite you know it burns hotter than gasoline does but it has a much higher ignition point than gasoline does so
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whoever tried to light this car on fire either didn't know that or at the very least they were
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unsuccessful they're out there out in the woods using matches trying to light this vehicle on fire so the
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investigators found it very puzzling that the murderer had access to diesel fuel meaning that he must have brought
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it to the scene with him because diesel fuel is not extremely common it's not something
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that you know regular motorist drive around within the trunk of their vehicle or in the bed of their truck so just saw
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him following this correctly he he takes these two individuals out of the car ties them up strangles them with the
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Rope mhm maybe they're dead maybe they're not dead maybe the maybe the suspect doesn't
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know if they are so then Cuts their throat puts them back in the car that's why there would be less blood in the car
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because they were killed outside of the vehicle correct put back into the car and then DST diesel fuel it doesn't
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light because it doesn't it has a higher lighting ignition point M pushes the car
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down so almost like the the fire I couldn't get it to you know the evidence would be burned away fingerprints all
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that stuff would be burned away but now that it's not going to be burned away I'm going to push the car closer to the
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water well and thank you for saying that because the thing here is one thing I always wondered about this case so
00:32:18
before I get into into this whole thing here just to touch upon something the yes the detective surmised that the
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actual murders happened outside of the car for several reasons one there should have been more blood inside of the car
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and two a Honda Civic hatchback is a very small car so it would have been very difficult for these murders to take
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place inside of that small confined space so moving on to the burning of the vehicle and then trying to push it down
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into the river you know years ago when I looked into this case IID always questioned
00:32:53
their findings of the statement that the car was put into into neutral lit on fire and then pushed down the embankment
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I always thought that maybe there was a chance that the vehicle was pushed down the embankment and when it got caught in
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the bushes the killer then goes oh crap my attempt at concealing this vehicle by
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pushing it down into the river didn't work out so now I'm going to burn it because the burning of the vehicle seems
00:33:21
strange to me we described how dark this place would have been and we do know that it is being p ped but it's not
00:33:27
heavily patrolled right right doesn't a fire just like call screaming attention to your crime scene to the the murders
00:33:35
that actually the victims having sat there and the car having sat there for the possibility of two or three days well it
00:33:44
might cause attention oh it's going to cause a lot of attention at night right not so much attention during the day the
00:33:51
thing here is after having studied this further I think that they were right and
00:33:57
not necessarily just because the matches the matches that were attempted to have
00:34:02
been used were found up by the roadway I think they're right because one thing I didn't know before was that
00:34:08
the interior of the car as well as the bodies of the two victims had been DED in the same fuel in that diesel fuel and
00:34:16
what I mean by that is we saw how much the Rangers struggled to get into the vehicle after it was lodged in the
00:34:23
bushes the killer would have had the same problem and therefore it would have been
00:34:29
extremely difficult for him to douse the female victims as well as the interior of the vehicle with this diesel fuel
00:34:37
after having become lodged in the bushes so I think the detectives are spoton with their speculation of yes these
00:34:44
murders occurred outside of the vehicle the victims were then placed inside the vehicle the vehicle set on fire and then
00:34:51
the attempt of pushing it down the embankment well it's weird too because it seems like the manner in which they
00:34:58
were killed and then the manner in which somebody tried to cover this sub it seems very amateurish it does and it's
00:35:05
weird in a way that like you had mentioned if if you're tying up two people and you're a lone perpetrator and
00:35:13
your way of controlling the victims and keeping them together is by threatening the lives of one of them well then that
00:35:20
means you have some means of threatening them we know that a knife was brought to
00:35:24
the scene because the throats were slit right and one could guess maybe uh a gun
00:35:30
was used because as you had mentioned maybe they thought a person of authority was approaching their vehicle
00:35:38
that night or had pulled them over this being a park ranger or a police officer but as any investigator will
00:35:46
explain once we're face to face if I have a gun and you don't I'm somebody of authority whether I have a badge or not
00:35:53
mhm and so if in fact this killer we know the out the knife at some point they they have diesel fuel there they
00:36:00
have rope there with them and possibly a gun as well I mean how many weapons this
00:36:05
seems like a somebody goes out in the middle of the night and brings everything they can think of to bring
00:36:11
with them to make sure hey I'm going to kill somebody tonight and there's nothing that's going to stop me yeah
00:36:15
it's like a Fisher Price my first murder kit well the murders were so vicious that at the time the investigators they
00:36:23
had to assume that it was personal so they started looking into every everyone in Kathy and Becky's lives talking to
00:36:29
their friends and families and and pursuing multiple leads oh and yeah and ex relationships well initially the
00:36:37
entire 50 agent Norfolk FBI office worked this case and park rangers even stopped drivers on the Parkway and asked
00:36:46
them if they had seen anyone or anything uh that could be related to this investigation the York River near the
00:36:53
scene was dragged uh similar cases in other regions were searched for Kathy's ex her name is Jolene was thoroughly
00:37:02
investigated and none of this panned out none of it really LED anywhere there were so many unanswered questions and
00:37:08
she was highly suspect for a while because she was seen with them on the last day that they were seen and that
00:37:15
she also had a class with her ex so they really kind of narrowed in on her and try to try to shake her you know and and
00:37:23
just nothing came up well you know what was was interesting was I I read a bunch
00:37:29
of interviews with Kathy's circle of friends including her ex that were conducted years and years later and one
00:37:38
thing that they all kind of pointed out was they believe that Jolene was considered a suspect because one as you
00:37:44
stated that there seemed to be it seemed to be that this new relationship started
00:37:49
right after that old relationship had ended and what all of her friends would later say in these interviews is that
00:37:56
they don't think that in the 1980s that the FBI really understood a lesbian relationship and that they couldn't kind
00:38:04
of wrap their heads around it and therefore they they really honed in on this Jolene person where all of the
00:38:11
Cathy's friends all along had always said there was nothing there that that relationship was over and in in what was
00:38:19
even uh more interesting was that Jolene had introduced Kathy to Becky yeah but see that's where the story is Criss
00:38:27
Cross and some people say that after the relationship ended is when she said hey
00:38:33
you might like Kathy mhm and then the other side of the story is that during why they're dating is when she met Kathy
00:38:43
and so it's almost like she took her away so I just think it's just um rumors well no I'm going off of the people that
00:38:50
knew the three of these the most right I'm just saying for years that was one of the rumors was that it had to be the
00:38:58
ex because uh she took her away from her yeah well like I said so many unanswered
00:39:05
questions in this um the things that here's some things that I try to wrap my head around when talking about this one
00:39:13
this is a long drawn out double killing so how did the suspect have time to do this this is outside of the car in a
00:39:21
public spot and seemingly without the fear of detection so that's one question and then if he
00:39:29
had planned to burn the car why did he remove the bindings holding the girls you know and and he cut the rope
00:39:38
from Kathy's neck but he left a 3-in piece of this that was one question I had going into it and I think some of
00:39:45
the research I did explained that answer to me once in a while we get some answers the investigator one of the
00:39:52
investigators pointed out that it's his opinion that the 3-in piece of rope was left there on accident that the killer
00:39:59
had slit the throat while the neck was still tied right so that makes some clarification there and then you also
00:40:07
have to wonder was there a chance that the killer killed them somewhere else entirely and then drove the car with the
00:40:14
bodies in the back of the car to the abandon to abandon it along the parkway that's very possible as well the other
00:40:22
strange thing here Captain and the tough thing here is because it's outside because it's in you know there's a
00:40:27
grassy area and stuff and so many days later do we find the vehicle and the bodies that evidence could you know if
00:40:35
it rains you know a lot of the evidence can leave the scene well and what's the motive I think this is another reason
00:40:43
why they look at the inner circles because what's the motive there was no robbery and there was no sexual assault
00:40:50
now let's move forward in our timeline to almost a year later we have David nobling he is 20 years old and lives in
00:40:58
Hampton Virginia David's family say he is someone who would do anything to help out his friends and family he he is
00:41:06
plain and simple just a nice guy MH he and Robin Robin is only 14 years old they had met earlier that day this is
00:41:14
Saturday September 19th 1987 and just put this out there I've seen this case covered by several things and and nobody
00:41:24
ever points out that that's a little off we have a 20-year-old hanging out with a
00:41:29
14-year-old I know it's in the'80s but the times were not that much different I find it a little strange they met when a
00:41:36
group of friends including David's brother Michael and their younger cousin went to an arcade in Newport Robin liked
00:41:43
older boys uh she was smart and even wise for her young age she was involved in peer counseling and David had just
00:41:51
learned that his girlfriend at the time was pregnant there's some talk if it was
00:41:55
his ex-girlfriend or his current girlfriend but the two of them spent some time that evening talking later
00:42:02
David drove home he drove the whole group home after dropping Robin off at her house around 11:00 p.m. David and
00:42:09
his brother went home they ordered pizza and they watched TV we don't know for sure what transpired between David and
00:42:17
Robin during that short time that they had met but later investigators and both families guessed that the two had
00:42:23
planned to meet up so Robin took off to to meet him David left his family's home
00:42:29
around midnight not telling Michael where he was going David was known to drive out to a place called ragged
00:42:36
Island this is a ragged Island Wildlife Refuge in his black Ford pickup ragged Island was a secluded marshy Wildlife
00:42:44
Refuge which was known as a teen hangout and a party spot Robin and David's families noticed that they were missing
00:42:52
the next day and apparently they must have had some kind of discussion between the two families because after they
00:42:59
piece this together the families decided that the two must had gone off together
00:43:04
um Robin had run away before apparently her mother worked nights so I don't know
00:43:09
if she was just waiting for her mother to leave for work and then she was free to leave the house and go do whatever
00:43:16
she wanted to do hang out with with uh David or whatever you know but both families acknowledge that the two
00:43:23
possibly could have quote hooked up despite the age difference early Monday morning a sheriff's deputy spotted
00:43:31
David's Ford Ranger pickup in the parking lot at the Wildlife Refuge at the southern foot of the James River
00:43:38
Bridge this is not a location on the Colonial Parkway but this is the opposite side of the James River now the
00:43:46
driver side door was open the keys were in the ignition the engine was not running but the wipers were still on and
00:43:54
the truck's radio was blaring some sources indicate that the driver's side window was partially open the
00:44:01
deputy saw clothes strewn about the cab of the truck which turned out to be Robin and David's underwear and some
00:44:08
shoes they also found a wallet on the dashboard despite this ominous scene though the deputy figured the driver had
00:44:16
just stepped away and he turned the ignition to off right Robin's family reported her absence later that day and
00:44:24
the connection was made to the truck had been found on ragged Island which was towed Away by County officials family
00:44:31
members noted that Robin's purse was not found in the truck organized searches began with both officials and family
00:44:38
members searching in two days of heavy rain David's family says they knew as soon as the truck was found that
00:44:45
something was terribly wrong his truck was his pride and joy and he would never have left it with the key still in it
00:44:53
for anyone to steal there there was some thought that the truck had been driven by somebody else for one thing David
00:45:00
always parked the truck in reverse so it was facing out of the parking spot the truck was found nose in and David and
00:45:10
his brother had rigged the truck so that the keys did not to need to be in the ignition to have the radio on but in
00:45:17
this case the radio was on and the keys were found in the ignition right so two days later on September 22nd David's
00:45:24
stepfather he was searching on ragged Islands Shores a mile into the reserve for any sign of his stepson when a
00:45:33
nearby jogger named Lewis Ford spotted what he thought was just a pile of clothes instead it turned out to be the
00:45:40
body of Robin Edwards who had been shot in the back of the head several Reports say that her jeans were undone and her
00:45:48
bra was pushed up although it wasn't clear if this was done by water the killer or WEA or whatever right you know
00:45:57
maybe she could have been interrupted during the state of some kind of state of undress yeah maybe in state of
00:46:04
preus soon afterwards Carl found David shirtless a few dozen yards away at the base of an embankment David had also
00:46:12
been shot once in the shoulder and once in the back of the head the caliber of gun used has never been released to the
00:46:19
public although I did hear one investigator many years later going off of memory saying it might have been a
00:46:27
38 investigators guessed that David had tried to make a run for it toward the woods and had been brought down with the
00:46:35
shoulder shot and then executed it looked to authorities as though the young pair had died between 12:30 a.m.
00:46:43
and 5:30 a.m. on Sunday morning a group of teens who had been partying at the parking lot told police that when they
00:46:51
left at 2: a.m. David's truck was not there yet now now we know from reports Right comes out years later that it's
00:47:01
believed that Robin had had sex before she died but in those days DNA testing was not available to determine who she
00:47:09
had sex with what was strange was that David and Robin were found about a mile from the truck you know so did they walk
00:47:18
the mile in the Pitch Black in the middle of the night to The River's Edge or had someone possibly driven them to
00:47:25
Within 100 yards of the shore where you could pull over shoot them and then drive the truck back to where it was
00:47:31
later found yeah well let's go into detail this again so the one somebody comes up on them they're in
00:47:40
the truck mhm they get them out of the truck take them about a mile away kill them leave the scene yeah there's also
00:47:51
the possibility that they're out of the truck for whatever reason we maybe the truck wasn't in that spot
00:47:59
truck's in a different location maybe they're not that far away from the truck mhm but they're outside of the truck for
00:48:06
whatever reason this murderer comes up on them kills them there the murderer moves the
00:48:12
truck right right so that would be option two yep and then the other option is what you said is that the murderer
00:48:21
took them out a mile in the truck killed them and then moved the truck possibility yeah yeah the thing here
00:48:29
though that the families have questioned regarding them being outside of the truck uh one being that the families
00:48:39
both seem to think that the two of them would have went there for one of two reasons either to party you know to do
00:48:45
to do drugs and drink or to hook up or both and what the families have often said regarding this is given the weather
00:48:54
that night and given how cold it was that evening it had rained quite a bit that day as well both families believe
00:49:01
that whatever they went there to do especially if it was one of those two reasons or both that they would have
00:49:08
done that inside the truck so we have a situation where it it seems like the family believes that if they were
00:49:15
approached by somebody they were probably sitting in the truck when approached well it's so strange to me
00:49:21
the door was found open yeah so so strange well you know what I actually think went
00:49:27
down and I and I don't I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know where they were killed or or how they were
00:49:34
approached by their eventual killer but I think what took place is this I actually think they were killed
00:49:40
elsewhere out away from the truck and away from where they were eventually found I think that whoever shot them
00:49:48
killed them and then attempted to dump their bodies in the river where they were later washed ashore and I think
00:49:55
that the killer after having dumped the bodies left the truck with the keys in it in the parking lot with the door open
00:50:03
in the radio on as a a way to maybe entice somebody to steal the truck could you imagine if you are out in the middle
00:50:11
of this wildlife refuge and you shoot two people you're able to successfully Place their bodies in the river which
00:50:20
the water takes them away and then you place their truck in a place where it gets stolen and then maybe moved even
00:50:26
states away you likely are not going to get caught for that double homicide yeah I
00:50:32
see what you're saying but I don't think that this killer is that sophisticated when Robin and David were found no one
00:50:41
connected the case to the murders of Kathy and Becky for one thing daavid and Robin were not found along the parkway
00:50:48
ragged island is nearly 30 Mi south of the Parkway and Theos were not the same in the manner of of death was completely
00:50:56
different we have strangulation in the throat slitting in the first one and then gunshots in the second the sheriff
00:51:03
investigating along with the state police stated that they had two suspects in this particular case but were having
00:51:11
difficulty Gathering evidence to bring them to justice we do know that the sheriff had a theory that a man named
00:51:18
Sammy reer may have been involved apparently he had failed a polygraph and had admitted to take
00:51:25
money um from David's wallet that was found inside of his truck mhm uh the thing here is Sammy reer would give
00:51:36
multiple stories to the Sheriff's Department regarding what went down that evening in one story he states that um
00:51:45
he saw the two exit the truck and they walked down to the beach and that's when he approached the truck and kind of went
00:51:53
through it to see what he could find while they were away and another story he says that they went off into the
00:51:59
bushes and same thing occurred he went into the truck to see what he could find and took money from the wallet so so we
00:52:06
know he's a thief and we know he's a liar well and by his own accord he was inside the vehicle at some point you
00:52:13
wonder is he the person that left the door open well if you need to explain away fingerprints you just did if you
00:52:20
can convince law enforcement that you didn't kill these two but just in fact stole money from them given the
00:52:25
opportunity yeah so you're you're a liar you're a thief and you were born in a barn well the third story and forgive me
00:52:33
Captain because I don't know the order in which these stories were delivered I do know that there were three different
00:52:39
stories given to police during the course of questioning and they all varied slightly well one of the stories
00:52:45
is that there were other people in this area hanging out and parying I don't know if these were I imagine it would be
00:52:51
people similar in age to Robin and to da David you know teens early 20s hanging out and partying the problem with that
00:53:00
though is investigators sought that angle and they couldn't find anybody else that would admit to having been in
00:53:08
the area that night so the first murders take place in 1986 the second the double homicide the
00:53:14
second double homicide happens in '87 but now that's 30 some miles away from the parkway but now we're going to have
00:53:23
another murder and 88 Keith call and Sandy Haley were on a first dat on sep sorry Keith call and Sandy Haley were on
00:53:33
a first date on Saturday April 9th 1988 they both were students at Christopher Newport University in Newport News where
00:53:43
they were classmates Sandy was an 18-year-old freshman who modeled and taught High School gymnastics as she
00:53:49
entered College Keith was 20 years old and his friends and family describe him as a a quote computer geek in a Time way
00:53:58
before computers were popular well he was going to school for computer science something you know a lot about Keith had
00:54:05
borrowed a shirt from his brother that day so he could look good for his date uh I guess they attended a party at the
00:54:12
University Square Apartments although they had told sy's Mom that they were going to go to a movie of course well
00:54:20
they're you know that's typical teenager crap right 20 and 18 you go and you have a few DRS and you
00:54:27
tell everybody El you're going to the movies going to the library both Sandy and Keith were seen at the party uh they
00:54:34
were seen talking to other people though and it it actually didn't look like the
00:54:38
date was going well to other people the two seem to be getting along but they weren't really there didn't seem to be
00:54:46
any romantic spark oh right but he's a computer geek so he might have some social
00:54:52
flaws uh I think that they were both of them actually were out of recent relationships M and I think both of them
00:55:01
at some point had told people at the party that uh you know ke hey Keith's a nice guy but I kind of miss so and so
00:55:09
and I think you know Keith probably said the same thing you know sy's really nice
00:55:12
girl super cool but you know I'd rather kind of be back in my relationship yeah I went on a date like that one time we
00:55:19
went to a coffee shop and we just got coffee and we decided to walk down the main Street of Ohio State campus and
00:55:27
after 2 hours talking about my ex and her talking about her ex it was like okay well this is more of a therapy
00:55:35
session than it was a date right right and and this it doesn't look like anything bad was going on just like I
00:55:41
said no romantic spark seemed to be happening it seemed like the two of them were more interested in hanging out
00:55:47
separately at this party and talking to their different clicks or their different friends there so friends say
00:55:53
that the two left the party before 4 2 a.m. and this roughly about 1:30 yeah because well Sandy lived at home and her
00:56:01
curfew was 2 a.m. so they would have left there with enough time to get her home to meet her curfew and this is
00:56:09
pretty late when you consider the time frame you know being 88 on Sunday morning around 7 a.m. Keith's father was
00:56:18
driving to work and saw his son's red 1982 Toyota Celica parked at the small York River Overlook along the Colonial
00:56:28
Parkway the vehicle was unoccupied this was between 1 and three miles from the location of Kathy and Becky the first
00:56:38
victims that were found 18 months earlier so his father stopped looked inside nothing seemed to be out of place
00:56:47
he shouted several times for his son but you know no Keith so he decided to continue along his way he was driving to
00:56:55
work at 9:00 a.m. a park ranger reported the vehicle as abandoned a Rangers waited until Monday to call the FBI who
00:57:05
had jurisdiction because of the parkway's federal designation the car was impounded by then Sandy and Keith
00:57:14
had been reported missing okay so I know that seems a little confusing but basically what we have is these two
00:57:20
individuals leave the party they've were not spot all of the next day they're unheard from M first his father finds
00:57:30
the vehicle abandoned then later the Rangers report it as abandoned MH they have it
00:57:36
impounded but at some point authorities are going to make the connection between
00:57:42
this abandoned vehicle and then the two that had been reported missing so Rangers reported that when they found
00:57:49
the Celica the driver's door was open the windows were down and Keith's car keys were in the ignition some Reports
00:57:57
say that the keys were on the seat but most in the ignition well and this is so strange too because the father finds it
00:58:04
before the park rangers find it mhm and he doesn't shut the door or maybe he does shut the door and then it's opened
00:58:11
by somebody else later um you're getting into an area that's that's very interesting regarding this case
00:58:21
because the description that Keith's father gives of the vehicle is vastly different than the description that the
00:58:28
Rangers give mhm and this is one of those sad moments in a case that and it's not realized until many many years
00:58:38
later so myself was in this group as well but but mainly Keith's father is the one that I want to talk about here
00:58:46
when Keith's father found the car he said that the way that the thing looked to him was that the two had went there
00:58:52
parked and were hanging out and just had got gotten out of the car at some point
00:58:56
and went off somewhere and when he shouted and called for his son's name and his son never showed up he just
00:59:02
assumed that the two were off let's say having a good time okay and he heading to work decided to continue on when he
00:59:11
found the vehicle like I said it was described completely different the way that the Rangers would later describe it
00:59:19
and the thought that that had been shared by Keith's family and the general public for many many years was that holy
00:59:27
crap did did his father stumble stumble upon this vehicle and then at some point
00:59:32
the killer returned to return items belonging to the two to the vehicle mhm because when he found the vehicle it
00:59:40
seemed to be practically empty and um I can't remember if he saw the keys or not
00:59:47
I think he did see the keys but there apparently there were no clothing there was no clothing found in the car he
00:59:52
didn't see any or claims he didn't see any when the park rangers come to find it
00:59:57
they find a lot of clothing almost all of each person's clothing well we would learn the truth of that and what I mean
01:00:08
by this is like I said for many many years a lot of people belied there was a chance the killer had returned to the
01:00:15
vehicle in that short window of time between when Keith's father had found it and then later the Rangers find it mhm
01:00:21
what we would learn the the Rangers would later come out admit to this and this is quite embarrassing on their end
01:00:28
what had happened was they had found the vehicle before Keith's father made it to
01:00:34
the car right they collected items that were found inside the vehicle and took them with them later they realized that
01:00:43
this car was not just abandoned it was connected to these missing persons mhm so what they ended up doing is the
01:00:52
putting the items back they put them back in in and return the vehicle to how going off of memory as to how they had
01:00:59
originally found it yeah awkward well the sad thing here is Keith's father you know this information
01:01:06
didn't come out till many many years later and I don't have it here in my notes Capon but I believe it wasn't
01:01:12
until 2007 or 2009 so we're talking 18 maybe 20 years later that this information comes out and Keith's father
01:01:21
passes away never having known the truth and never understanding why he found the
01:01:27
vehicle in one state and very shortly after the Rangers claimed that it was in a different state right so but so when
01:01:36
they do find this and they know that these individuals are missing they start searching right mhm and then they once
01:01:42
they can't find these individuals they start thinking that they they might be in the water correct yeah there was a a
01:01:50
thought and I kind of you hear the the tone that I changed to there mhm the the running theory that the Rangers had was
01:01:59
that the two decided to take off their clothes leave the clothes in the vehicle and then go down to the water to go
01:02:07
skinny dipping yeah because when you're on a bad date that's something you do that's usually where that leads hey you
01:02:13
want to see my twig and berries and go for a dip sure well there there's a lot of
01:02:22
problems with that and and we got too much to cover for me to go through all of the issues with that but let's talk
01:02:28
about what was found in the vehicle okay so we said that the keys were found in the ignition or on the seat now we also
01:02:36
have Keith's wallet that was found in the back seat with $12 inside of it and a watch and Eyeglasses were on the
01:02:43
dashboard all of Keith's clothing and shoes were found scattered inside of the car and most of sy's clothing including
01:02:51
one shoe and her bra were found inside the car sy's purse was in the car but her wallet was missing two empty beer
01:03:00
cans were in the back some reports indicate that the glove box was open the clothes in the car LED Rangers to
01:03:07
believe that for some reason the couple had decided to go skinny dipping okay let's touch on this just for a second
01:03:14
never mind that it's 2 a.m. the temperature that night in April was was 40 some degrees who goes swimming in Polar Bear
01:03:24
Club right shrinkage um and the Overlook was up high on the embankment MH okay so
01:03:33
here's the big problem that the family had initially with this Theory they said look it's too cold and second of all it
01:03:40
doesn't make any sense that the two would strip down to nothing and then walk over a half a mile down the road to
01:03:46
go skinny dipping in the middle of the night so furthermore is Sandy naked except for
01:03:55
one shoe you know what I mean is she walking down the street in one shoe half a mile to get to this
01:04:01
location uh this Theory by the Rangers was was abandoned fairly quickly um once the FBI stepped in and once the imagine
01:04:12
the the FBI shows up and goes this is what you came up with guys this is what you came up with and you know that the
01:04:18
two Rangers that are on duty they failed the FBI test you know that right so they
01:04:24
wanted to be FBI because the FBI and the CIA is right around the corner training
01:04:29
their training facilities are right around the corner and these flunkies come across a vehicle they take
01:04:35
stuff out of it they have to put it back in based off memory and then they come up with these goofy ideas you know that
01:04:40
the FBI was giving them [ __ ] about this well the the the funny thing here is like so the the Rangers come out with
01:04:48
this Theory and they kind of announce it publicly right away and that and we would learn that that's kind of why They
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confiscated the items that they had originally found they thought that the two had just walked away from the
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vehicle M um the families publicly said look this story makes no sense this Theory makes no sense we're all for
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theories and trying to figure out what happened to our loved ones but this story makes no sense this is not a great
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Theory well and if you thought they went skinny dipping why would you steal their
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clothes so they then when they come back to the car that they have to drive naked
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well and and then the then FBI finally steps in and the FBI says look we discredited this Theory through things
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we found in the investigation and by using common sense that was their that was their statement that they gave so
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and and look we're knocking these Park Rangers but hey we've we've talked to several Park Rangers that have brilliant
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brains I'm just saying that these these ones did not yeah and who knows who knows what's going on in this situation
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but the feds did set up a makeshift headquarters uh and they were assigned to follow up on All Leads now a Tides
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expert indicated to investigators that if the bodies had been thrown into the York River it would take at least 3 days
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for them to surface MH this is based off of the depth of the river now on Thursday one of the search boats radioed
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that it had found a body in the river but the body was of a middle-age African-American man it turns out that
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this man had fell off of a boat a few days my notes say a few days earlier but I believe that they think that this man
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could have been in the river for as long as a week or two yeah I believe so despite multiple searches using scent
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dogs Nets to drag the York River and helicopters the bodies of Keith and Sandy have never been found they are
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presumed however to be dead now I do want to bring this up because one thing that I think really hinder this
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investigation was when they brought in these scent dogs now these were cab dogs mhm they were hitting on the water
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indicating that they were hitting that a body was in the water we've seen this before in other cases though well the
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dogs were right I mean eventually a body was found in the river it just wasn't you know the dogs aren't able to tell
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you look there's a body in the river it's just not the one you're looking for for the first time after their
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disappearance people began to wonder if this could be related to what happened to the others yeah the possibility of
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connections among the cases was raised in the media for the first time in April of
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1988 in May the FBI offered a $110,000 reward for information on the 1986 Kathy and Becky case special agent Irwin Wells
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acknowledged to the press the possibility that a serial killer was at work but cautioned that quote nothing
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other than speculation and iography linked the cases the families wondered mhm how did Keith and Sandy end up so
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far from the party and from their homes the parkway was totally out of their way
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it was not necessary for them to travel on the parkway well it's possible that this um murderer Picks
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Them Up anywhere yes you you know what I mean and then sees him at the party goes hey
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there's two awkward people leaving together I'm going to take them over takes both of them over murders them
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takes um Keith's vehicle and and Parks it well that's to make it look like they were uh approached at at the Parkway
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because if you're the parkway serial killer then you know finding his truck somewhere else doesn't go with youro
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well and you bring up something interesting there so if in fact the parkway murders are all
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connected my thought is if if we're going to include this double homicide of Keith
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and Sandy along in this and say they're all linked then the issue here is they're these two would not have been on
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the parkway I couldn't find any reason to suggest that they would have been on the parkway other than let's say things
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suddenly were going well on the date and they decided they wanted to park somewhere this doesn't really make any
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sense though when we review what was going on that night we know that she had a limited amount of time to get home for
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curfew they left the party with basically just enough time to get her home for curfew they would not have
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traveled the Colonial Parkway to return Sandy to her home and furthermore both of them told several people at the party
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when they were getting ready to leave I'm taking Sandy home oh he's taking me home it it almost seems like something
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happened to the two of them after they left the party and between the party and sy's home something happened to them
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maybe they were killed elsewhere and then the vehicle as you said taken to the parkway maybe this indicates that
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the parkway is more important to the killer than the actual victims right and you wonder so in ' 86 we have a lesbian
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couple they're murdered outside the vehicle put back in the vehicle they're found 87 we have a heterosexual couple
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that didn't well they're not a couple but they didn't didn't really know each other but possibly leverage Lane type
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thing they're murdered roughly about a mile and a half away from the vehicle they're found now we have another
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heterosexual couple we don't even think that they were driving on the parkway somehow this vehicle is found but we
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don't have any bodies found and not really a couple and the the other thing to back up the statement that the two
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might not have been on the Colonial Parkway they both of these individuals had been rumored that at times in their
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life they had told family and friends in in recent times to these murders or disappearance anyway that they wouldn't
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go to the parkway now keep in mind there there was a murder that took place in 1986 a double homicide on there Sandy
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had told her sister and other family members she didn't like to travel on the parkway would never drive on the parkway
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it seems like a strange place for them to go willingly you know what I mean even if they were going to park and hang
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out for a little bit the other issue here is that we have two individuals cuz this one feels a little different but
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it's like we have two individuals that are just got out of relationships right so sy's boyfriend
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sy's ex-boyfriend might not know that she's having a not a horrible time she's just she misses
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him right so they go to this party for all we know that their murder has nothing to do with
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the Parkway and whoever killed them says well if I put the truck out there they'll start trying to connect that to
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these other double homicides mhm well the interesting thing here Captain and the sad thing here the two of them to
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