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was specifically targeted for a brutal murder which looks like a professional hit so the real estate showing was
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likely a ruse to get Lindsay alone in a place where she was vulnerable the murder shows a certain level of
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sophistication and planning now not only were the police stumped as to the identity of the murderers but they were
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clueless as to any motive as well right which is going to cause them to look deeper into Lindsay's life yeah
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investigators will be examining her financial records and social media accounts even the deleted chats and
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messages that she had Lindsay had a lot of friends and by all accounts no enemies she also led a lowrisk lifestyle
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didn't owe anyone any money and had a perfect credit score now drugs were a big part of the young 20's lifestyle in
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the area at this time but Lindsay was not a drug user and in fact disliked drugs and what they did to people people
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now let's go through some of the more popular suspects and theories okay first we want to talk about Jason Zoo her
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boyfriend as we mentioned there is a major group of internet crime Watchers who believe vehemently that Jason was
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instrumental in Lindsay's murder and this is partially because there are widely Divergent thoughts
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about their relationship Lindsay Sister Sarah with whom she was very close said quote Lindsay was with Jason at the time
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and I knew that she was extremely happy Lindsay's mother's side of the family the r Meyers who lived in Victoria and
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new Jason believe that he has been cooperative and caring in the aftermath of Lindsay's murder but Lindsay's father
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Jeff tells a very different story he says that Lindsay confided in in him that she was unhappy with Jason and that
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he was controlling possessive and jealous and she wanted out Jeff buak in his very public stated opinion says
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Jason zoo was complicit in his daughter's death he doesn't believe that Jason actually did the stabbing but he
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believes that Jason and his family are involved in a conspiracy and plotted to kill Lindsay as Jeff Bak tells it
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Lindsay was afraid and told him that she quote seen something she shouldn't have
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seen even if this happened which our sources say that it did not the rest of her family and friends know nothing
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about this but even if she did tell her father that she saw something she shouldn't have seen there is no evidence
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that it was in any way actually connected to Jason Jeff has stated that Lindsay saw
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something scary that involved something really bad like human trafficking snuff films political corruption extortion and
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that Jason was involved we cannot emphasize enough that there is absolutely zero evidence of this Jeff
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buak has zeroed in on Jason as have his online followers based on the following rumors speculation gossip much of which
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is not backed up by any credible sources and even contradicts actual evidence in
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the case so let's try to go through some of these thoughts one at a time Jason and
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Lindsay may have been having trouble Lindsay wanted out and also Jason was selling steroids this is one of the
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theories that would lead to Jason being involved here's the other Jason engineered his whole Alibi making sure
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to be captured on surveillance camera and to bring Cohen along when he went to meet Lindsay right while being sure to
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be there well after 5:30 so that the killers would have the opportunity to get her alone well again and this is
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also controlling the narrative because we have one narrative saying that she was a little leery about meeting these
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individuals and then she wanted her boyfriend to come and assist her while he then controls the Nar by saying no no
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that's not why I was there which again one of my big questions is if he was there to protect her and he is a real
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estate agent why are you waiting why are you waiting are you waiting to give them
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the opportunity to do what you know that they're there to do and that is to murder your
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girlfriend or because we have the one one story but then by him controlling the narrative to say no that's not why I
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was there that gives the the the question of why would you wait that answers it but who's answering that for
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us Jason well I get what you're saying but I I think what we have here is we have
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Jeff and others controlling the narrative I think what we have Jason saying is he had to answer the police
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and and investigators questions and I think that that is why that what his statements are do not really combat what
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the narrative is because it's the narrative is just that it's it's a it's a story of why Jason would be there and
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to put bad light onto Jason if Jason was in fact controlling the narrative The Narrative would have
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changed by this point it has not it's just simply he's providing an answer to police police are going to want to know
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look dude you're the you're her boyfriend how the hell is it that you are the one that discover covered her
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body why were you there in the first place she's a big girl she is showing this house she doesn't need your help
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what is your reasoning for being there there's no coincidence in the world that explains a
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way that you just happen to be at the place and find your your girlfriend's dead body so he needs a reason to be
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there police want a reason for him to be there we have Jeff buak and others who are saying he was there as the muscle he
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was there as protection to protect Lindsay where Jason is in fact saying no and keep in mind he's questioned that
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night he had already answered this question before this whole idea of him being there to protector even came out
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so it's not like he's he's well hold on a second though but if you're planning a
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murder or you're planning uh somebody to murder your girlfriend you can also then
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plan a couple steps hey I know I need to be at this this property cuz I'm going to be seen on surveillance I'm going to
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call this individual I'm going to have this other individual with me this gives me an alibi okay so I'm the one that
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finds her again that makes some logical Sense on how you open up the front door and within 2 seconds you're upstairs and
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you found her body and you didn't go looking anywhere else in the house you went right to her was that part of the
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plan so what I'm saying is it's not that far fetched for him to you know for other people to say hey we think that
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Lindsay was concerned about going and meeting these individuals and he knew that would be a question that was
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brought up so now I need to but it wouldn't shift The Narrative no no no no but the problem with that is it it would
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not be the question the question would be why are you there at all for any reason what is your reasoning for
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actually being there to which he had a very plausible answer no I and I don't just dispute that but what I'm saying is
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it's not that farfetched to think if somebody's involved in this no I get that what figure out their story you
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know beforehand well of course of course if you're going to go to the to the effort
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to hire somebody to kill somebody that you know you're definitely going to come up with some kind of story right I mean
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if you didn't you've just put the the cart before the horse there it makes no no damn sense what I'm pointing lot of
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horses in this case what I'm pointing out here is that the narrative that he was there to protect her in any shape or
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form did not even that was not even a thought at the time that Jason was initially questioned in the murder of
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his girlfriend so it's not like what I'm saying is he's presenting a reason for being there he's not presenting a reason
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that's different than what was later said just to be different right is what I'm getting at he's just giving a
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plausible reason now here's the other thing that I want to point out too all right first off a much better Alibi
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would have been to be as far away as possible if he wanted to get rid of Lindsay and Stage I mean he could have
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staged an accident or a disappearance which would made have made a lot less less of a splash than a sensational
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Savage murder but then on top of that think about this if he really thought this through unless he's just a [ __ ] if
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he's going to go to the effort to hire somebody to kill his girlfriend why wouldn't he be as far away as possible
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because now you're opening up yourself to further questioning some people would go well he wanted to confirm that she
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was dead wanted to confirm that the hit actually went down mhm okay I get that but any reasonable person is going to
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know that you are already subjected to a certain line of questioning because you
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are her livein boyfriend mhm now if you're also the boyfriend and find the body be the one that that finds the
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body you are opening up yourself to a whole other line of questioning right right which I agree but I also think
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like it's kind of one or the other be as far away as possible or be as close as you can you know hide in plain
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sight well the the thing here is though he had an alibi without creating one okay he took Cohen with him to
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shc to to whatever that meeting was uh that they were going to discuss that day we know that he was the listing agent
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for that property that Jason was yeah we know that Cohen and him had a a hockey game later that night right so he had a
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solid Alibi from the time that they that he and Cohen arrived at shc through the
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end of the hockey game instead if he was involved then we have to believe he went
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out of his way to go to the home that she was killed in it just again that doesn't bother me
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because like I said it's one or the other in my eyes be as far as way away as possible and be around as many people
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as possible or be as close as possible and and you're carrying your get out of jail free card with you in the passenger
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seat I understand that but what I'm pointing out here is that going to get real heated in the garage
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it doesn't need to what I'm pointing out is that it to me it makes his reason his
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reason for being there for being at 1702 desosa place verifiable it makes it makes that carry
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more weight to me he has a reason to be there that is not her protection he has a reason to be there to get her to sign
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some papers to go over some paperwork to have a quick meeting one Cohen would be
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aware of this as he travels along with Jason two you can verify this by the person that actually owns the property
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and by the person making an offer on the property as well it just doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense to me now
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there's a lot of things in a lot of cases that are not supposed to make a lot of sense so we can we can agree to
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disagree on that um well and I'm not saying that that's what I think I'm I'm saying I think that's a lot of these
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armchair detectives that's where they're going this doesn't add up to me and and
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that's all I'm saying so some other things that people have pointed out here is that Jason moved his car from the
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call toac to the main road either to see a signal from the killers that the that
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the coast was clear or to see whether they were gone that they had left the property I I don't there's no way for us
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to verify why he moved the car right because if you again this is another situation where somebody
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comes up with this Theory and you go well that makes sense I'll park here uh I didn't see anybody now I move a little
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closer okay now they gave me the signal okay once I saw those individuals now we
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got to get into the house okay that makes some logical sense but his story was and and if his story is correct that
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he wasn't there to protect her but he was just there for paperwork he didn't want to inter interrupt her he didn't
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want to seem like lurking he didn't want these clients to come out and just see some some dudes in the car and think who
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the hell are these guys uh so that's why he parked down a little ways once he's not getting a response drives closer so
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it's again both kind of make logical sense the other thing though too is if he is in fact there for a meeting think
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about the way that this whole event is described red they pull up into the clde saac and he's waiting in the vehicle to
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which later he moves the vehicle to an actual parking space okay many times you can sit in a
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vehicle waiting and you're not in an actual parking space the way that this is worded is that he actually moves the
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vehicle to park the car to exit the vehicle right that also makes sense to me there but again we don't know we may
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never know and then again of course the the statement that comes up often that he ran straight up the stairs once he
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entered the house as if he knew where she would be found there are several people out there too that say Jason is
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friends with some lowlevel drug dealer types well let's just stay on that that real quick um I buy his statements I
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mean he again he's going over this with uh detectives and everything but it is a
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little fishy to me that you open the door and within seconds you're you're by the body um but again it it could have
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just been a gut feeling or his thought maybe just been I'm going to run upstairs first or we don't know every
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detail that he you know based on the shadowy figures that he saw or the layout of the house we don't
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know there could have been a reason why he just decided to go up there first May
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and maybe just subconsciously um but I see why people find that a little fishy I too found
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that to be strange now we should point out and be very clear here that two years after the murder sanch police
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announced in a press conference that they had actually cleared Jason Zoo they admitted that as Lindsay's boyfriend he
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had initially been a person of interest but after a two yearlong investigation including
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1,471 interviews 30 search warrants and followup on 752 tips the sanch PD Major Crimes unit
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felt confident that Jason was not involved the forensic evidence Footprints and fingerprints found at the
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scene backed up his and Cohen's stories about their movements inside the home that evening adding quote Mr zoo and his
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friend were under intense police scrutiny however Mr zoo was cooperative with police took a polygraph exam and passed
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based on forensic evidence timeline of communications witness testimony video surveillance we do I'm sorry we know
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he's not the killer was he perhaps somehow involved in the planning well he successfully passed a polygraph and he
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successfully took part in all of these interviews with us us so at this point in time he is not considered a suspect
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end quote well I'm glad that you bring bring that up because I really think the you people don't look at evidence enough
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and when you see this chatter online about certain cases it drives me insane there is evidence and what we do have
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and what the police are stating is if you look at the forensic evidence and you look at U the question and their
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interrogation and then the LI detector what we know is that the events that he said that took place that night in that
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house we know he's telling the truth about that so that could I think should sway some people to
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go well if he's being cooperative and the police believe that his stories are truthful then some of the things that
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don't line up you have to start kind of favoring that maybe he is telling the truth because law enforcement believe he
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is or believe that they have evidence to prove he is yeah and the thing too is we
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understand that polygraphs they don't mean a whole lot to the captain or myself okay we understand that they
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don't hold up in a court of law but I like them I don't mind them but I I hate the emails that that we get or the blog
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post of why do you even discuss a polygraph exam you know they don't they're not you can't present them in
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the court of law well I don't care if you can we understand that but you you can't also present in the court of law
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that a detective got a bad feeling about somebody but somebody that interviews hundreds of thousands of people
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throughout their career I'm going to go with some of these people's guts gut feelings well and it's not us that asked
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anybody to take a polygraph exam we're just reporting that but I will we're reporting what the police stated that
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that he was given one and according to them they he passed it now police also publicly denied swirling rumors that
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they searched the condo where Jason and Lindsay lived but only after obtaining a
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warrant now to be perfectly clear the condo was searched but they did not need a warrant we don't know why exactly they
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did not need a warrant but presumably we can say it could be because Jason gave them permission right Jason did lawyer
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up pretty quickly but this is probably because he was placed in restraints and taken to the station when he found
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Lindsay's body this is a move that any smart person would likely make right police investigated Jason his finances
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his background his associates his business dealings thoroughly for two years the fact is there is simply zero I
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actually think right and I actually think the play by the law enforcement is bad to actually cuff him I think what
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they should have done is don't cuff him take him down the station for questioning and to see if he would
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lawyer up but I think like you said once you're taken down and um and you're cuffed and you're in restraints that
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might get you thinking hey this is serious and I need a lawyer up now on to Jason's family according to internet
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theorist on Jeff bak's website and other message boards this is the zoo family conspiracy the theory is complicated but
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let's go through it Jason's brother Ryan and Jason's mother Shirley also worked in the real estate business Lindsay
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actually met Jason through his brother Ryan whom she met at their real estate course they all worked for the same
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company and did business together Shirley was Lindsay's manager at Remax and depending on who you ask either her
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mentor and Confidant or her Nemesis many believe that surely and likely Ryan were
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all in on this hit on Lindsay and here's what they base this conspiracy theory on
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Shirley Zoo bought a Lakehouse for Lindsay and Jason that cost an excess of $1.2 million and also paid for Lindsay's
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breast enhancement surgery let's go ahead and go through this before we move on to the next
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thing that those statements are false okay the truth is the lake house was just Shirley's vacation home Shirley
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owned this home it was her vacation home right and the other truth Lindsay paid for her own surgery so whatever people
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think that that property or the money involved in the surgery or that property however they believe it to be mixed up
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in the murder of Lindsay it doesn't work out it just doesn't work out okay and here's the other thing Shirley had a lot
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of money and therefore some people say she must have been involved in drug trafficking money laundering or a
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combination thereof the truth is Shirley simply is just a very successful real estate agent
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and real her she's she's really good at what she does and that has really Advanced her career and her earnings
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throughout the years right so but to be clear so there was a lake house they when they decided to move in when Jason
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and Lindsay decided to move in together that's where they moved they were there for a while and then that then after
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being there for a while they moved out and got a condo together right so we also have a situation where
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people point out that Lindsay found out about the the corruption in Shirley Jason and Ryan's business so she had to
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be eliminated again this goes back to the idea of Shirley has a lot of money therefore she must be involved in
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something nefarious the truth is again she's just a successful person now Shirley set the
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whole thing up by calling Lindsay in a fake accent so this is people saying that surely Jason's mother was actually
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the person that made that phone call Don't We Know by pings that the the phone was in a whole different area
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until that Friday you're absolutely correct uh Shirley and Ryan in Disguise were actually the couple who met up with
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Lindsay or the Mexican couple that was hired to help to lure Lindsay into the home and Ryan and or Shirley were
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waiting inside to waiting inside the house to kill Lindsay okay so this one's a little convoluted because there's
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several different ways that this works out but the gist of it is that Shirley and Ryan would be would be directly
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involved in the murder either waiting outside for her for the meeting to bring her into the home or one or both of them
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actually committed the murder themselves problem with this is that we know that Lindsay met with these two individuals
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and we also have forensic evidence that that puts them going through the at least the downstairs and so you're going
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to tell me that that Lindsay is not going to recognize her her boyfriend's brother in Disguise or or uh or the
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woman she works with and for right possibly her Mentor or Nemesis either one you either really like her face or
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you hate her face and but you know her face okay here's some other things too where people point out that Shirley was
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friends with the builder remember we mentioned Joe DUS sua and therefore she would have had access to the
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house we can't say for certain if she would or would not have had access to the house it seems a little far-fetched
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for me um because here's the thing we have the statement of Lindsay not being the listing agent for that property but
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it's believed that somebody at Remax was the listing agent for that property I think if Shirley zoo was the listing
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agent if was directly involved with that property right she would have access to
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it and it would be all over the internet but that's not what anybody saying so it
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seems to me likely that that yeah she may have known Joe that doesn't seem to be that big of a deal because what we
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will find what I believe to be one of the issues with this case and with the rumors swirling around this whole case
00:29:50
is that even though that this is a big city in the greater metro area over 350,000 people it it's it doesn't live
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that way it lives as a situation where everybody is only separated basically by one degree of separation well I think
00:30:05
what they mean by her knowing the Builder is that there was construction going on in that area so that she would
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know that the construction would have been done um by the time that they were supposed to meet up at 5:30 oh that that
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there would be the the street would has nothing to do with the house that they were meeting at well he bu he built the
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house right but when they're talking about the Builder they're talking because there's con there was
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construction on that street always till about 5 5:30 every day mhm so they were saying that she would know that this
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Builder would be gone by then and so there would be less I Witnesses agreed but what people are also pointing out is
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that Shirley would have had access to the house right but as a real estate agent because when um Jason was trying
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to get access to the house to get inside you know he called his mother to try to
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get to try to get the um code right well I know that he called people I I don't know for certain who he called well I
00:31:08
believe he he called his mother to try to get the the number and I don't think she could get it but the realators would
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have uh ways to get access to that number but we'd have a trail because if she is not the listing agent and
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obviously Lindsay wasn't they would have to probably get that code from that listing agent so we would have somebody
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coming forward saying hey you know the day of the murders uh Jason's mom came and got got some information from me and
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also if it's true that Jason called his mother to try to get access to in into the house then they should be
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able to find cell phone ping technology to to kind of find out where Jason's mother was at at the time of the attack
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[Music] [Music] all right we're back you filthy animals so continuing on the path here of the
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zoo family having some involvement or orchestrating this whole murder people point out that surely Jason's mother was
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friends with a guy named Terry Sheen who lived in a nearby house this is located
00:32:45
near the murder house and that's where some people claim that she that Shirley and Jason's brother Ryan escaped to to
00:32:54
hide after committing the murder okay the problem with this theory is that house was searched that
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night and searched very quickly so they didn't find Ryan and Shirley hiding in this house and in fact Shirley showed up
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at the scene within a short amount of time after the murder people again point out that this means that she was already
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on scene on location at the time of the murder yeah she just walked out from a bush hey guys I'm here so
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the thing is I I get that that does create suspicion and I would be suspicious of such but then we have to
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take that just one little step further and remind ourselves that Shirley is not only Jason's mother who he was on the
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scene but also Lindsay's boss and as the captain suspects she may have received a
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phone call from Jason who was trying to gain access to the home saying something's going on the door's locked I
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don't know what's happening here again if that's correct yeah cuz he was trying to get access he was freaking out at
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this point why wouldn't she even just head that way this is again one of those things where it's like both sides of the
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coin make sense what we don't know is is the side of the coin uh the truth well and we one thing we do know regarding
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phone calls made when he was trying to access the home one of those calls was to the Remax office Okay so he may have
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not directly called his mother but remember we've already stated that they all work together and so this may be she
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was at the office when this call came in the other thing here too is people have said that shirely later
00:34:42
dated a sanch police officer so that she had some way of controlling the investigation or the statements that
00:34:51
were coming out from the police department after well after the murder again I get it and I see where the
00:35:01
suspicion is but this seems like a whole lot of orchestrating by by one just a couple of people it seems like a lot of
00:35:09
work to be doing but not only that it's she dated this guy after the fact that could just be a coincidence and again
00:35:18
this is a large city where it seems like everybody knows one another or they're just one degree of separation away from
00:35:26
one another well as far as the motive goes to to involve Jason's mother it's it's this idea again creating the Nar of
00:35:34
she saw something she shouldn't have saw okay so what is that and as an investigator it's like you have to
00:35:41
follow that rabbit hole down and then you have to find evidence of what is it is it some involvement with the drug
00:35:49
selling um human trafficking whatever it is but if you get to the end of the road
00:35:55
and you can't find evidence of that that they're either just a good real estate agent or they're really good at hiding
00:36:02
this other stuff and before we move on we would be remiss if we did not point out that some people say that the zoo
00:36:09
family even had access to a killer somebody that they could have hired to carry out this murder okay this would be
00:36:17
a man by the name of Ziggy mathson okay he is by all accounts a lowlevel drug dealer
00:36:27
Ziggy was a childhood friend and hockey buddy of Jason's and Ryan's yeah Shirley
00:36:34
rented a home to Ziggy now Shirley rented a home to him for five years this wasn't a situation where he just poof
00:36:44
appears on the scene shortly before her murder and then poof disappears shortly afterwards Shirley rented this home to
00:36:52
this man for 5 years and she stated that you know he lived there for so long because he always paid his rent on time
00:37:00
and he didn't cause us any trouble when he lived there that's not the kind of renter that you get rid of now Ziggy was
00:37:08
arrested for dealing drugs this was years after Lindsay's murder and he was also once charged with murdering a man
00:37:16
who was dating Ziggy's ex-girlfriend Shannon and assaulting her keep in mind we said charged with
00:37:25
murdering he was not convicted of that charge there does not seem to be I'm not saying that he's innocent in that
00:37:34
situation but in this situation regarding Lindsay's case there doesn't seem to be much of a connection between
00:37:43
him and Lindsay other than he is a guy that was a friend was a one-time friend of Jason's right but she right she sees
00:37:51
something that Lindsay sees something she's not supposed to see the mother then has to take care of it uh I have
00:37:57
this renter he's he's a depending on who you ask lowlevel to midlevel uh drug dealer uh he has a shady past I'm going
00:38:08
to hire him yeah and the thing here too is uh probably for me the most the strangest thing in this whole weird case
00:38:20
is a phone call that some say took place and some say did not take place MH okay
00:38:26
so a a friend of Linds after her murder receives a call she said that the she received a call from a woman who was
00:38:37
very obviously using a fake accent and she received this call for unknown reasons her friend says that she tries
00:38:48
to call the person back and called repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly until finally somebody answered the phone yeah
00:38:56
the person that answered the phone was Shirley Zoo this is one of those weird situations Captain where I don't know
00:39:06
what to make of this whole idea I I I personally believe that if this story is true that's very
00:39:14
damning well that's what I mean I don't know whether to make if this story is true or not because we have Lindsay's
00:39:21
friend who says that this is what happened and then later we have Shirley saying that never happened I don't know
00:39:27
what that person is talking about well right but all we have to do is somebody can prove this through phone record so
00:39:36
again as the investigator I'm going okay you tell me this happened you you claim
00:39:42
that Jason's mother called you use this weird accent okay uh the rumor was that that the
00:39:49
friend called the number back about 20 30 times because obviously by at this point when your friend has been murdered
00:39:58
and she's supposed to meet the Mexicans at at the showing and you possibly have heard rumors of this weird accent and
00:40:06
you get a call with that you're just going to keep calling back keep calling back and finally she uh Jason's mom
00:40:13
answers now there should be some phone record of that but to me you know it's it's one of those
00:40:19
things where does it prove anything other than a phone call was made no it doesn't
00:40:27
but man that that would uh to me that's a giant red flag if this is true well that's what I mean I don't know whether
00:40:35
to make heads or Tales of it whether it being true or not we have we all we have
00:40:39
is two stories one story that it in fact happened and the other story that it never happened well if the friend wants
00:40:45
to prove the point they could you know release the phone record well what is that going to show
00:40:53
us that's at least going to show that the the phone phone call was made that there was an incoming call from a number
00:40:59
that she called a number back multiple times and uh and then somebody eventually answered and if you can prove
00:41:06
that then that's some evidence that your story is correct right but what I'm saying is we
00:41:13
don't have a third party to tell us if this in fact happened or not and so therefore I can't make an opinion on on
00:41:20
this whole scenario right but that's what I'm saying if if I'm the friend and I know that this happened I'm releasing
00:41:26
that those phone records to at least Pro you know to somewhat try to prove my point correct correct I'm I'm with you
00:41:33
on that so people need to keep in mind though that the sanch police they state that they have cleared
00:41:43
the zoo family of any involvement the spokesman for the sanch PD stated in a press conference quote we would like to
00:41:50
State unequivocally that no member of the zoo family is considered a person of interest or a suspect in this
00:41:57
investigation our detectives are satisfied that the zos have no knowledge or any participation in this horrific
00:42:05
crime end quote so who's next on our list how about Lindsay's ex-boyfriend Matt mdff Shirley Zoo said on Dateline
00:42:15
that Lindsay had confided in her that she was afraid of her ex Matt Jeff Buc says that Lindsay wanted to leave Jason
00:42:24
and rekindle things with Matt mhm more importantly what do the police think of this Matt so Lindsay and Matt dated for
00:42:31
5 years from 2001 to 2006 there is some indication that their relationship was Rocky dat line reported that she called
00:42:40
the cops on him three times in that 5-year period Matt did tend to be involved in the drug scene and he did
00:42:48
have some buddies who were considered to be bad news one of these guys is a guy named Edgar aavo who goes by vid and
00:42:57
another is Ericson delazar and his brothers and Associates now we'll get into them in a bit but
00:43:04
first Matt has a pretty strong Alibi okay for the time when Lindsay was murdered one he was with his
00:43:13
girlfriend's family two this is over an hour away at the time and Matt and Lindsay they didn't have any contact
00:43:22
with each other for months and it had actually been broken up for nearly 2 years at this time right Matt was
00:43:30
interviewed and appeared to be genuinely affected by Lindsay's murder Jeff buak implied that Lindsay was still in love
00:43:38
with Matt and wanted to get back together with him but the problem with that is we have police saying that there
00:43:46
was no contact between the two of them so we know that this is a murder for higher situation or at least appears to
00:43:55
be that way so when we look at somebody as a suspect we can't just go well they had an alibi so they didn't do it I mean
00:44:03
you purposely hire somebody to do that so that you do have an alibi when the murder goes down well like I said be as
00:44:10
far away as possible or that's close but the problem with this whole statement is there look he may have known some bad
00:44:19
people M there's no evidence to suggest that he was in any way involved so I feel I feel like with Matt you're just
00:44:28
really spinning your tires in in and saying well what if what if what if what if but again where is the evidence that
00:44:37
there's any proof that he is tied to this murder yeah law enforcement does they don't like him as a likely suspect
00:44:45
but there is a connection there he might not be involved but his knowing of Lindsay and his relationship with
00:44:55
Lindsay could become a cause correct well one thing that police uncovered in their investigation of Lindsay was a
00:45:04
possible connection to some very nefarious activity remember Lindsay's father Jeff lived hundreds of miles away
00:45:11
in Calgary Alberta right Lindsay flew out to visit him for 3 days in December of 2007 so they're going to be digging
00:45:21
deep into her life to figure out where and why was she killed right well they go out to Calgary and they're
00:45:31
investigating her murder while they're there they discovered that she that Lindsay reached out to a male
00:45:36
acquaintance from Victoria contacting this person once by phone and once via Facebook it is not known whether the two
00:45:45
actually spoke met in person or anything about the nature of their contact in fact Lindsay went out at least twice
00:45:54
during her visit to her father what she did where she went and who she saw is unknown okay clear this up for me
00:46:03
did she's the one that made contact with this individual or or the individual made
00:46:09
contact with her what is reported is that she contacted this person once by phone and once via Facebook okay okay
00:46:18
anyway this person that she contacted was a family member of a very bad man who we've already named Erikson aazar
00:46:27
from Victoria now Erikson along with a partner Graham Scott Taylor these two were arrested in January of 2008 and
00:46:35
what Sergeant horley described as quote the largest drug bust in Alberta history
00:46:41
we're talking about $8 million worth of cocaine this bust pulled in 67 kilos of cocaine plus weapons and cash all right
00:46:51
set up the dominoes and with just one tiny little push watch them all fall because this bust triggered a massive
00:47:00
Scandal that reached into the echelons of the Canadian political machine we can't tear through all of that here it's
00:47:09
kind of a big story as you can imagine but within the next few months right 12 more operatives were arrested and
00:47:17
Calgary police they figured out that this thing was much much bigger than expected so to emphasize this Lindsay
00:47:26
contacted a family member of Ericson delazar for unknown reasons and to an unknown extent right just a few weeks
00:47:34
later Erikson was busted in a massive operation an informant based in Victoria told police about the large scale
00:47:43
dealings of Ericson and others and wir Taps and surveillance had been in place for two or more months the snitch had
00:47:53
specifically told police about a safe containing over 40 kilos of cocaine just days after the bust which took place on
00:48:01
January 22nd someone activated the burner phone which had been purchased in November to set up a meeting with
00:48:09
Lindsay buak they took the ferry from Vancouver to Victoria met with Lindsay at 1702 deusa place and killed her
00:48:19
escaping and leaving almost no Trace Lindsay's murder resembled a targeted professional hit retribution or perhaps
00:48:29
a message to be sent to someone this huge drug bus was not immediately connected to Lindsay's murder until
00:48:37
police and sanch discovered that she knew some of the people arrested in Calgary and this connection even though
00:48:44
very remote and uncertain has given rise to a working Theory publicly discussed by the sanch police in Lindsay's case
00:48:54
stating she was targeted and killed based on a mistaken or deliberately misleading information that she was the
00:49:02
informant the people busted in the drug bust knew that there was a snitch somehow Lindsay's name got passed along
00:49:10
to the higher ups in the drug ring saying that she was the rat perhaps they knew she had been in contact with
00:49:18
Ericson's relative or the wrong person had come across her name it's possible that coward
00:49:26
lower level drug ring members knew that Lindsay was not the snitch but deliberately LED others to believe so
00:49:35
that she was and when they took care of her they were seen as solving a big problem in getting retribution mhm and
00:49:44
of course it's possible that the real informant gave the drug gang Lindsay's name in order to save their own ass
00:49:54
quote what we can say is that people lost a lot of money and the people that lost the drugs know that someone spoke
00:50:01
to the police said Sergeant hely adding quote a Witch Hunt occurred where people
00:50:06
were being questioned people were being pulled out of their beds in the middle of the night and asked who have you
00:50:13
spoken to because they know someone spoke to the police end quote police confirmed that Lindsay was not Lindsay
00:50:23
was not the informant right but believe that someone may have thought that she was they said that it was possible that
00:50:31
Lindsay was believed by her Killers to have revealed information that she shouldn't have or to have heard
00:50:38
information that was damning to them somehow or that she was simply connected to a dangerous person without realizing
00:50:45
it sergeant horley said you can be a person who just works and Minds their own business in Victoria yet through a
00:50:55
very brief network of friends you could be absolutely connected to people that are involved in Very Bad Things
00:51:04
interestingly enough it was also reported by the CBC News in June of 2010 that the police did not believe that the
00:51:12
couple who lured Lindsay to the house to be killed they did not believe that they
00:51:17
lived in Victoria making it even more unclear how someone got her name or singled her out now in an attempt
00:51:25
to grasp a better understanding of this very complicated involved Theory we spoke at length with author Gary Rogers
00:51:34
Gary is a retired RCMP homicide detective and forensic coroner who is now a best-selling investigated crimer
00:51:43
writer and a blogger with the huff post and on his own blog he has stated that a
00:51:50
Mexican drug trafficking cartel organization headed up by by the infamous El Chapo operated a large
00:51:59
distribution Network out of Calgary Canada members of One family headed up the local distribution arm the Beltran
00:52:07
levian family the cartel took a large monetary and security loss in What's called the Calgary High Noon police
00:52:16
operation the Calgary drug bus as we discussed they lost $8 million worth of coke and two of their operatives in and
00:52:25
then 12 more were arrested after Lindsay's murder as a result of the high noon bust the remaining mid to lower
00:52:32
level drug trafficking players in Victoria BC and Calgary and Alberta were now well over their heads with debt and
00:52:42
to the D's Western Canadian conduit they had lost 67 kilos of cocaine they were compromised and their backs were up
00:52:53
against the wall and they sacrif riced Lindsay's Life as a diversionary scapegoat in a damage control spiracy
00:53:02
Lindsay's hit was designed to send a message down the line to the distribution Network that snitches would
00:53:09
not be tolerated and to send a message up the line to the cartel that the problem had been dealt with of course we
00:53:16
don't know who actually called for the hit on Lindsay or how she was singled out but we do know that she knew a lot
00:53:24
of people who were somehow connected to this drug trade just by virtue of living
00:53:30
in Victoria and being social and associating with people in that world like Matt McDuff and perhaps her
00:53:38
reaching out to a family member of Ericson delazar triggered suspicion by someone in the network once it
00:53:45
discovered that there was a snitch and it spiraled from there now we should point out that Ericson was in fact in
00:53:53
jail at the time of Lindsay's murder one thing that I do want to discuss though Captain is as far as Gary's
00:54:00
upcoming book he has an even more developed theory about who killed Lindsay and it all stems from what we
00:54:08
just spoke about it's all tied to the high noon drug bust and the players involved one of the men charged in the
00:54:15
High Noon bust was Leo Rojo beldam he's a Mexican citizen with deep drug connections he was part of the family
00:54:24
that ran the the cartel's Canadian distribution arm and was very high up in the organization he lived in Calgary his
00:54:32
sister Mila Rojo lived in Barnaby near Vancouver one of the drug transport vehicles used in the drug trafficking
00:54:41
scheme was stationed at her home so she is very likely involved in all of this now Mila had a very heavy Hispanic
00:54:51
accent and she looks very similar to the police sketch of the woman who met with
00:54:57
Lindsay outside of the dusa place residence with the right build short blonde hair and a profile similar to
00:55:06
that in the drawing Leo is 6' tall a very light skin and a medium build these two fit the
00:55:15
bill of Lindsay's quote Mexicans perfectly Leo Beltran was arrested in the wake of the high noon bust in
00:55:24
December of 20 8 he was held for a year only on charges of possession of proceeds of a crime but
00:55:33
on his file it noted specifically that he was the specific Target of another investigation we don't know what that is
00:55:42
one has to wonder is this Lindsay's case Leo was deported from Canada to the US in
00:55:50
2010 and Mila left Canada as well they both moved to Southern California Lucky You California Gary believes Leo and
00:56:00
Mila are Lindsay's Killers why would Leo Beltran have thought that Lindsay was the informant the short answer is we
00:56:08
don't know neither do the police Gary also believes that it is possible that Leo Beltran knew that Lindsay was not
00:56:17
the snitch right just a scapegoat right that he believed that the cartel would believe him when he said that he had
00:56:25
taken care of the informant by killing her involved or not he was sending a message that the problem was dealt with
00:56:35
whoever did Kill Lindsay they covered their tracks very very well no DNA no weapon no fingerprints bloody footprints
00:56:44
that didn't lead to anything a burner phone a vacant house sitting for more than a year unlikely to have any other
00:56:52
people around almost dark quiet neighborhood and a stealthy exit no one saw anything including a getaway car or
00:57:01
bloody clothes Lindsay was lured to the house and attacked from behind in an upstairs bedroom away from Windows
00:57:09
police came to the conclusion early on that Lindsay was targeted in a professional hit and after 11 years they
00:57:16
still believe that this was the case our recommended reading for this week is dying word.net
00:57:25
that is where you will find Gary Rogers blog and information on this case he takes a deep deep dive into all of the
00:57:33
angles and I recommend if you want to learn more you can find a lot of that well all of that there the captain and I
00:57:41
talked about this could have been a case that we could have covered for several weeks it's a big case there's a lot of
00:57:48
speculation just that big drug bust on its own is a huge story yeah there's many layers of this onion and if you
00:57:56
want to dive in a little bit further um and not just take our word for it you this is where you want to go the other
00:58:05
thing that the captain and I believe is we agree with the statement that this appears to be a professional hit
00:58:12
somebody for whatever reason wanted Lindsay boak dead what we also agree on is that if you could determine the
00:58:21
motivations for that factor mhm then you very likely will find the road that will
00:58:27
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