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crime [Music] at the trial of kenneth mcduff who is charged with committing three murders in
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1966 in texas we have two separate trials here captain because obviously roy green is going to
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be the state's star witness against kenneth mcduff at mcduff's trial and at that trial
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green takes the stand and mcduff took the stand as well now when green is on the stand his voice at
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times he's barely audible you know he's very quiet seems very timid very shy very
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scared but he tells the courtroom how kenneth mcduff had shot the two teenage boys and then raped and killed edna
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sullivan greene admitted that he too participated in the crimes committed that night but
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he told the jury that he feared for his life and he feared that mcduff would kill him too if he did not follow
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mcduff's orders when kenneth mcduff took the witness stand he denied any knowledge of all at all of the killings
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and suggested that roy greene acted alone and committed the crimes on his own after barring kenneth's car and the
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roy green was simply trying to frame mcduff for these crimes well you gotta remember this is what green was telling
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him mcduff told him to do deny everything don't talk don't even if they start to beat on you it'll be worse
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in prison than whatever the cops will do to you present in the courtroom each day
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so this trial really only lasted about a week and in my opinion i'm surprised it
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lasted that long because it was it looks to me like a pretty open and shut case now mind you in 66 they didn't have the
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technology that we have today one of the things that was a bit of a delay in this trial that really kind of drug
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it out a lot longer than it needed to be was some of the and i want to be clear here that when i
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say theatrics i'm talking about theatrics on behalf of the defense and people for the defendant so
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a couple things that happened was kenneth mcduff's attorney his we already talked about what mcduff's
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defense would be that he wasn't a part of it he was it was all a lie that the real killer took his car and
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his gun and committed these crimes he's trying to frame him mcduff's attorney on multiple occasions tried to
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push for a mistrial try to get the judge to agree to a mistrial i i think when i
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observe it here today it looks to me like the defense attorney understood what they were up against that it was a
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pretty open and shut case against his client and so i think that he really kind of threw his hands up in the
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air and said what the hell do you do here all right i'll just i'll just attempt to get a mistrial i will attempt
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multiple times to get a mistrial on one of those occasions it was because edna sullivan's parents had to be
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removed from the courtroom they were so upset and and so distraught they they physically broke down right
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there in the courtroom and had to be removed and that's when the defense attorney comes up and says
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you know judge that we got to declare this a mistrial because the jury can't forget that you can tell them to erase
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that from their memories and to not take that those acts into their consideration
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but there's no way that they can't now in true form true to her form present in the courtroom each day of
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this trial of mcduff's trial is his mother addie remember she thinks her son is a quote perfect little angel yeah and
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she vouched for her son telling reporters that kenneth mcduff had an alibi for the time of the murders
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she says that kenneth was on a date with a young woman from his church saying quote i think she's studying to be a
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missionary okay so but we can't find this individual no we can't find this individual because the
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mom and kenneth refuse to reveal this girl's name that he's supposedly on a date with
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because she's studying to be a missionary and if he were to say that she was out on a date
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right then that would ruin her reputation and that she would be kicked out of the church or not be able to go
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on to study to be a missionary something like that so so i mean think about this
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he's basically saying that hey green i let him borrow my vehicle i let him borrow my gun
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and then he was able to control all three victims by himself and move vehicles two vehicles at a time
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he was basically able to walk on freaking water and i had no i had no knowledge of this well and his mother
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just drives me freaking nuts here because the way that she stands up for kenneth and this is again this is not
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the first time this is what's been going on his entire life and if you want to you know it's easy to fault
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family of these types of monsters and point out where they went wrong as well but with macduff's mom
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she's constantly getting him out of trouble and sticking up for him and vouching for
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him even when he does the worst of the worst here you know she's quoted in the paper
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saying he's he's too good for his own good yeah i don't think he's good for his own
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good he's too good for his own good she says look the reporters say but you know your son won't reveal the name
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of this person who is his alibi he is on trial for three homicides he is going to
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be executed by the state of texas via electric chair if he's convicted if he's if he's found
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guilty in this case and yet he won't give up the name of his alibi what say you mrs mcduff and she says well if he's
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willing to risk death in the electric chair to spare the girl's reputation i guess that's his business no the truth
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is they couldn't find the girl if they named her and if they did find this person they would not this person would
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not back up the story of this horrible monster because the truth of the matter and we all know it was he was there the
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night he was responsible for this triple homicide not only responsible i believe
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he was the driving force behind all of those crimes that were committed that night and then for his mother to stand
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up for him at court in november of 1966 to me is just another great example of either stupid
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or liar yeah i would go with uh both so of course we have kenneth mcduff who is found guilty and he is sentenced to
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die by the state of texas and he was scheduled to be executed in the electric chair
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and in fact he comes awfully close at least twice actually walking to the chair and gets a last-minute stay of execution
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in both situations in fact he was scheduled i believe he was scheduled to die within
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just a couple years of the conviction you know nowadays we know that people land on death row and
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they can be there for 15 18 25 30 years sometimes they're never executed at all he was supposed to
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be executed they had set the date he comes close several times but they never end up executing
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kenneth mcduff in fact what ends up happening is very much the opposite roy green ends up getting 25
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years his that is his sentence in the case mcduff gets the death penalty and then later
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mcduff's sentence was commuted to life in prison this is after the united states threw out the death
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penalty in 1972 so he commits these murders in 66 six years later what he's sentenced to is no longer even
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an option so it's now commuted to a life sentence yeah i felt like he should have got
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three life sentences but then it's even going to get worse so check this out well and then we have an issue here in
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the state of texas that goes beyond getting rid of the death penalty they have overcrowding in the prison population in
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texas throughout the entire state and this is an ongoing problem and so what they are forced to do
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with the overcrowding problem is to increase their parole considerations of their inmates
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and this is handed down by the by order of the governor so before long they are ordered to parole 750 of the
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lowest risk inmates a week right 750 of the lowest risk inmates a week now think about that for a second
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if you have the 750 750 most low risk of offending again criminals that you're releasing
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well then that means that the following week you're releasing 750 more and they are
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now considered the most low risk however they were a higher risk than the 750 that you released the
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week before right and that trend continues week after week after week after week until you get to somebody
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like kenneth mcduff who has killed three people again should be serving a life sentence no possibility of parole no
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matter what no matter how crowded these prisons are individuals like this should not be
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getting out of prison in the end the state of texas over the course of a a long period of time they end up
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releasing over 60 000 inmates they are eventually forced to release somebody like kenneth mcduff i
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shouldn't say forced he has to go before a parole board but by the time he goes before the parole
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board they're pretty much rubber stamping these things through they're clearing these guys rather quickly and
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his crimes are are certainly significantly more horrific than a lot of the other people that the parole
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board would look at and that they would examine their case file and review their prison history right
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but the problem one thing that comes into the favor of somebody like kenneth mcduff is by the
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time they get to him you know they don't start releasing people even though that
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they commuted his sentence in 1972 it was still believed in 1972 that he would spend the rest of his life in
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prison we're talking about years and years later it wasn't until i believe that the mid 80s or late 80s
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that they started releasing the inmates and rubber stamping these paroles but by the time they get to somebody
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like kenneth mcduff he's been in their prison system for a long period of time he was sent there in 1966
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he won't be released until december of 1990 so it's a considerable amount of time
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and what he has on his to his advantage is that he's now older and for whatever reason they have
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believed that he has been rehabilitated and that he will not be much of a threat
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when he's released well because he also behaved himself pretty well when he was incarceration he broke a lot of the
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rules but he didn't get caught for a lot of things um it's believed that he was paying off
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some of the guards to sneak him drugs over the years he had a pretty healthy drug habit especially once he got out of
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prison in 1990 but here's an interesting quote okay there there were people that came
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out of the woodwork when kenneth mcduff was released to try to tell everybody look we're gonna have a big problem here
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this is this is going to be a big problem letting this guy out so this is a quote from bill brand he's the
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father of one of kenneth mcduff's victims robert brand from 1966 and when he was released when mcduff was
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released bill brand said quote he was out on parole when mcduff killed our kids he
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got three death sentences and now he's out on parole again they are going to have blood on their hands those people
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who turned him loose very good point that he brings up there kenneth mcduff was out on parole at the time that he
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killed the three kids yeah i mean it makes zero sense to me that anybody that would be
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originally sentenced to death by the state would be released is absolutely ridiculous and i get the
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idea that okay okay maybe he's a model prisoner but like you said just a prisoner that didn't get caught
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but records show he's a model prisoner we're gonna let him out but again this is a
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this is a triple homicide where in fact then he went on and lied about it it wasn't like that he came forward and
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confessed and turned himself in didn't show any sign of remorse i mean hell he was lying through his teeth
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saying i was even there so for them to release a monster like that that's it's the most one of the
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most irresponsible things i've ever heard of our prison system doing well and keep in
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mind though it's state by state when we talk about the prison system so this is straight up the texas prison system
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doing this and according to one of my favorite publications texas monthly the man who arrested
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kenneth mcduff after the triple homicide sheriff paplin on the day that mcduff was released
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he shared his opinion sheriff papillini says that he said quote i don't know if it'll be next week
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or next month or next year this is him talking to fellow officers but one of these days dead girls are
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going to start turning up and when that happens the man you need to look for is kenneth mcduff
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i mean you can't make this stuff up this is this is incredible stuff here that people are saying these are almost
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premonitions of of letting this evil this kind of evil back out on the streets and you have the sheriff who arrested
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him saying one of these days dead girls are going to start turning up and when that happens the man we need to
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look for is kenneth mcduff well think about that this guy was sentenced to death
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mcduff was sentenced to death and now by releasing him you're sentencing innocent women to death within days of
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kenneth mcduff being paroled released on parole the naked body of a woman did indeed
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turn up and this was 31 year old parker she had been found to have been beaten strangled and dumped in a field near
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temple texas according to records kenneth mcduff's parole officer was based in temple now
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he's never been connected 100 percent to that homicide that's still an open homicide to this
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day but given the location and given the proximity both in location to where his parole officer was and
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the time that he gets out of prison you put two and two together here and he looks like a very good suspect for
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seraphia parker's murder we do get lucky here for a little bit captain uh briefly
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mcduff is returned to prison this is after he threatened a youth in uh rosebud it sounds like
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we have this grown man here who was almost in like some kind of physical altercation with a boy
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i don't know the details of the story but it's enough for him to have violated his parole he sent back the prison so
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once again the state of texas gets the opportunity to keep this guy jailed forever
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however that's not that's not to be and he ends up getting out once again then in 1991 kenneth mcduff enrolled at
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texas state technical college in waco texas and soon after that we have central texas
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women sex workers they begin to disappear there's one in particular of valencia joshua age 22 was last seen alive
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february 24th 1991 and we have witnesses say that she was on campus looking for kenneth mcduff had
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asked for kenneth mcduff or where people where she could find him and then later
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she disappears her naked body is later discovered in a shallow grave behind that same college behind that same
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technical college one so much more to get to and we'll get to that after this quick beer break
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[Music] [Music] [Music] all right we are back cheers mates cheers to you colonel
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let's get back into it back in early 1991 kenneth mcduff is back out on the streets again and this is when he
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enrolled at texas state technical college in waco texas while he was in prison he actually completed his high
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school degree and attended i believe like achieved 45 hours toward college credits while he was in prison
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and so he's going to pick up and try to go to the school here but again we see a
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recurring theme with kenneth mcduff as soon as he moves to an area as soon as we know that he is
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in an area well then women start to disappear and in fact we get a young woman valencia joshua age 22
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she is seen for the last time alive february 24th 1991 and we have multiple witnesses
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who say that they saw her on the texas state technical college campus on that day and she was asking for
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kenneth mcduff if she in fact found him then this is what likely led to her death in my opinion now
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she's missing for a period of time but later her naked decomposed body was discovered in a shallow grave in the
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woods and this area is located directly behind texas state technical college this will bring us to
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later in the year in 1991 in fact around the chris around the christmas holiday of 1991 when a young woman named colleen
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reed disappeared from an austin texas car wash witnesses reported hearing a woman
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scream that night and seeing two men speeding away in either a yellow or tan thunderbird we know that mcduff is
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involved so it's going to be a horrific scene but we have a really good news report on this crime
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yeah captain you're exactly spot on there and i wanted to make sure that we read this article that came out shortly
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after colleen reed disappeared because it's just it's full of doom and gloom there's no hope
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as you will hear in this article and this article is just two days after she went missing so the headline here
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from the austin american statesman newspaper out of austin texas says police think woman was abducted while
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she washed her car and the reporter hears kimberly garcia who writes police continue their search
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for a missing west lake hills woman who they believe was abducted from a central
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austin car wash colleen reed age 28 was abducted at 9 15 pm sunday possibly by two men while washing
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her car and then it gives the address for the car wash and this is according to the austin
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police department's assault unit sergeant don martin here's one thing that i want to point out i'm going to
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jump in as we go through this article here when you have a report from police that is saying this person was abducted
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at 9 15 pm that means it's beyond question by that time it's beyond question if this person is
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missing or if they were abducted police are telling you this woman was abducted and oh yeah not
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just abducted we have the time stamp of when she was abducted and it was at 9 15 p.m
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right so the officer goes on to tell the reporter quote i don't feel good about this at
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all generally speaking you kidnap someone to take their car money or to sexually
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assault them reed's purse was in her car which was found covered with soap suds at the car
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wash after her disappearance the vehicle's door was open suggesting reed may have sensed danger and tried to
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return to her car martin said four witnesses one two three four witnesses around the corner from the car wash told
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police that they saw two white or hispanic men in their thirties with dark skin and hair
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drive the wrong way on powell street before the abduction the passenger may have had a beard
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witnesses told police they heard a scream followed by the slamming of two car doors well i think what the
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eyewitnesses are hearing is her fighting for her life and then they saw the same
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men drive the wrong way down fifth street again all according to the officer the suspects lacked a familiarity with
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the street directions that makes police think that the men did not know reed or did not know the area the men were
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driving a late 1980s model two-door tan car with rounded tail lights and a low rear
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end quote it appears at this time that this is going to be a genuine random kidnapping end quote that's according to
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the assault unit officer sergeant martin he goes on to say there's no doubt in my
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mind that she went unwillingly police fears shocked reed's friends and co-workers they say this is
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real weird because she's street smart said her friend heather bailey you can be as street smart as you want to be if
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somebody has a weapon they can control you and her friend goes on to describe reed
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and saying that not only was she street smart but she was in the army reserve so she's been
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trained to defend herself the newspaper article points out that colleen reed is five feet three inches tall weighs 115
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pounds was a certified public accountant at the time she's really interesting to me here
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captain she was actually a louisiana native and from my understanding she graduated high school
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early and started attending college at the young age of 16 so a very bright individual that we are talking about and
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then the police go on to describe her further in this article because of course they are still looking for her
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at this time and they say that reed has shoulder length dark hair and brown eyes
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when she was abducted she is believed to have been wearing gold frame wire glasses a pink and ivory
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plaid hip length jacket and an ivory wool scarf and they said that reed our victim
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appeared to be running errands on that sunday night and they based this off of receipts that were found in her car that
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revealed that she had deposited some money in a cash machine and bought food before going to the car
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wash to wash her car and then we believe her to have been abducted from that haunting scene at the car wash and
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so we have a lot of eyewitnesses claiming that they saw two men is it a similar situation with like mcduff and
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green where mcduff is going to be the leader of this crime well it's it again it it's similar in the way that it
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depends on who you talk to right because mcduff in the first set of murders says that he's innocent and roy
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green says otherwise well in this situation it is similar that we end up getting a confession from
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an accomplice but this accomplice doesn't come forward in the way that roy green did this
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accomplice comes forward because he's figured out by police he's picked up by police and eventually he caves in
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with his story what's weird here again you know we talked about the texas tower shooting
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and charles whitman but kenneth mcduff has always been connected to the yogurt shop murders as well
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so the abduction of colleen reed takes place in the same city in the same month as the yogurt shop quadruple homicide
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yeah and so he's always been connected to that he's been thought of by some to possibly be
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a suspect another way that he's connected is that the great show america's most wanted
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featured a segment on the yogurt shop murders this was in march of 1992 they were still trying to figure
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out who had committed that crime they were still trying to figure out who had abducted colleen reed
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in march of 1992 so there was a segment about her case on that same episode well this guy
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definitely has the ability to commit a horrible crime like the yogurt chop murders what we have here
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too is that segment ran in march of 1992. that same month melissa northrup who was pregnant with her third child at
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the time she vanishes from a waco convenience store where she was working so she's the only attendant that night
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she vanishes kenneth mcduff's beige thunderbird broke down and was discovered one block
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from the waco convenience store where this woman vanished from it took a little over 50 days later that fisherman
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found melissa's body floating in a gravel pit in dallas county this is 90 miles north of waco
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from my understanding captain his car breaks down and it looks like to me he goes to this
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convenience store abducts melissa abducts melissa northrup and takes her car and then gets out of
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dodge with her in tow right this car situation is going to make kenneth mcduff the target of a nationwide manhunt
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again to some people to the people that were closest to the triple homicide case the
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law enforcement officers and the victims families this is not a surprise to them
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kenneth mcduff out abducting killing women not a surprise to them you know the three scariest words that i can
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imagine hearing together or seeing or reading together paroled serial killer paroled serial killer and this man he
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was he was a killer when he was apprehended and put into prison and he left prison a killer again and he
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continued to kill after he was released now this is where our story really starts to ramp up again
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you had asked did the colleen read abduction did it go the same way as the triple
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homicide did back in 66 i said in a lot of ways it was similar because yes you end up having an accomplice who breaks
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down and confesses to being a part of the crimes and says that kenneth mcduff was the person that was in control
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of the crime colleen reed her abduction is i mean is it's something that sounds like it's straight out of a horror flick
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hank worley is the man who breaks down what happens is the police get some kind of idea
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that kenneth mcduff was in the area in the austin city the day that colleen reed was abducted and killed
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and they figured out that he had been hanging out with this hank warley guy they pick up hank worley and
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after a pretty lengthy session with him he ends up confessing and he says that he and mcduff
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abducted colleen reed warley was 34 years old at the time he says that he thought
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or was told by mcduff keep in mind neither man is from the area and that makes sense when we read
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that article the newspaper article when they kept turning down and going the wrong way on on more than one wrong
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one-way street right and that's what the police thought all along that the the abductors were from not from that area
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and likely didn't even know the victim warley story backs that up he says that he was told by
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macduff that they were going to austin texas that night so that they could score some drugs
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they were going to meet up with somebody and the details are a little sketchy on
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that but he says that they they went there from his knowledge to score drugs and at some point
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they're now in austin they're driving around and mcduff tells him i'm going to take a girl tonight i'm
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gonna i'm gonna find somebody and i'm gonna take him right and he said it's a short period of time
00:35:26
after that that they spotted colleen reed who was alone at the car wash and according to worley's story
00:35:36
mcduff gets out of the vehicle and we gave you a physical description of colleen reed we gave you a physical
00:35:44
description of kenneth mcduff he's 13 inches taller yeah that's a big boy than calling reed
00:35:52
and according to worley mcduff walks very quickly up to her doesn't say a word and he grabs her by the throat and lifts
00:36:03
her up off of the ground she's kicking her legs and worley said that he could see her feet not even her
00:36:11
toes would touch the ground and mcduff just picked her up walked her over to the vehicle
00:36:20
and forced her into the back seat of the car and then off the three of them went
00:36:26
into the night and very hauntingly and just again just like a horror flick according to worley
00:36:36
right before mcduff grabs her reid is saying please not me please not me and he throws her into the back of that
00:36:44
car and that's the last time anybody saw colleen reed alive so he breaks down tells him the story
00:36:52
now he also tells them that yes he was involved in the abduction yes he was involved in some assaults on reed
00:37:03
and mcduff insisted on torturing her and to the point that at one point the victim begs
00:37:16
alva hank worley to to kill her so she doesn't have to go through any more pain and suffering
00:37:25
warley says that he while he did commit these crimes and was a participant in some of these crimes he
00:37:32
was not an actual participant in the the murder of colleen reed as mcduff dropped him off
00:37:41
and asked worley for a knife and he said hey i this you know this is where i'm gonna go and then he use these
00:37:51
words i'm gonna use her up well that's because mcduff is a piece of [ __ ] so warley doesn't know exactly
00:38:00
what happened after that but it you know it doesn't take much to figure out that
00:38:05
that mcduff killed colleen reed that night a short time after dropping off warley it's almost like mcduff has
00:38:17
part of the fantasy is to have somebody involved with him as he's committing these horrible crimes
00:38:24
it's very strange yes i agree with you but there seems to be a lot of crimes that he committed on his own
00:38:31
i wondered that and have been thinking a lot about that as well and i feel like with mcduff that it's more of a case of
00:38:40
whenever the mood should strike him he doesn't care if somebody's with him or not
00:38:46
when he decides that he's going to go for it he goes for it because we read off the speculation the
00:38:54
speculation is that he could have nine victims 14 victims or more that goes beyond the four victims that
00:39:02
he killed with another person present and you're right captain i don't know either it's part of his
00:39:08
sick twisted fantasies or it's just when whenever the urge takes him over that he's going to do this no
00:39:16
matter what and what what is clear though it could be both but what is clear to me is
00:39:23
he seems to believe and the record might show this to be the case as well it seems to me like once he's made up
00:39:32
his mind that he's going to abduct and kill he doesn't think that there's anything
00:39:37
that can stop him well and we don't know with other victims if there was somebody
00:39:41
that was with him or not because there could have been somebody that's just never come forward well and you
00:39:47
know what's weird too and i don't want to get too mystical here i don't want to get too spiritual on everybody
00:39:54
but in a lot of ways you wonder you wonder both sides of the coin at least i do one
00:39:59
had macduff been by himself that night would he have on either of these nights 66 or 1991
00:40:06
would he have committed these horrible crimes personally i believe he would have
00:40:10
whether he was had an accomplice or or not i agree so then the flip side of that coin is in
00:40:16
some way was it a godsend that he had help back in 66 and that was our opportunity to lock up this evil forever
00:40:26
to snuff it out forever right and we failed big mistake and it's only because of
00:40:32
well i shouldn't say it's only because of because it sounds to me like police were pretty hot on the trail of kenneth
00:40:38
mcduff in 1992 right even before hank warley broke down but it doesn't seem like they had
00:40:45
connected mcduff to the reed abduction and murder 100 and then once they had warley they they
00:40:56
have what is now some of their evidence to arrest this guy and and god bless america's most wanted that great program
00:41:06
because it was their coverage of kenneth mcduff their coverage of colleen reed's case
00:41:16
that ultimately led to kenneth mcduff being arrested so he had actually hightailed it out of
00:41:24
texas it was getting too hot there for him one he's racking up too many bodies on his trail
00:41:31
and two police are now on his trail so at some point he leaves texas and he goes to
00:41:40
where were we just a a week or so ago captain too hot in the hot tub kansas city missouri
00:41:47
old kansas city here we come yes he takes he he takes on a fake name and identity in kansas city
00:41:55
and he's working for the trash collecting company there and one of his co-workers
00:42:05
saw the segment of america's most wanted sees kenneth mcduff on there calls america's most wanted and says
00:42:14
i'm pretty sure the guy i'm working with is actually kenneth mcduff and we said before
00:42:20
you look up a picture of this guy there's no mistaking him he's he he's easily recognizable he has devil eyes
00:42:28
and a big old beak so on may 4th 1992 in kansas city missouri kenneth mcduff is arrested thank you to the
00:42:37
america's most wanted program and that individual who called in with that hot tip that led police and
00:42:45
authorities to kenneth mcduff he ultimately will go and face trial two more times
00:42:54
so he's going to be charged with the abduction and murder of colleen reed which is a difficult case for the state
00:43:03
of texas because when he's sent to trial they don't have her body what they do have is
00:43:12
hank worley state star witness to explain and tell the judge and the jury what kenneth mcduff did and what he
00:43:21
assisted kenneth mcduff in that night macduff will also face a trial in the northrop case
00:43:31
this man is the only man to my knowledge that has been sentenced to death by three different counties three different
00:43:42
juries in the state of texas he's the only person in the history of the state of
00:43:49
texas to have two death row inmate numbers yeah pizza [ __ ] number one and piece of [ __ ] number two
00:43:56
and of course mcduff stands by his original statements from 1966 and he continues to make similar
00:44:04
statements in 1992. he simply says he wasn't with worley and that roy green is a liar that's his that's his short
00:44:14
statement to to the general public even after he is tried and convicted three times for
00:44:21
homicides and he's been convicted of five homicides in total and in an interview
00:44:29
while he is on death row he says the same thing i wasn't with worley and roy green is a liar and he
00:44:36
goes on to say that the the statements contradict one another because hank worley gave multiple statements to
00:44:45
police and the reason why he gave more than one statement to police is because he was telling them what they wanted to
00:44:51
hear and he didn't know the details of that case he says i was convicted by the news media the facts of the case
00:45:01
didn't warrant my convictions and at the time of this interview that i'm referencing here
00:45:07
he still had appeals in both of his cases and he believed that he would get out on those appeals well he got out before
00:45:18
and the person get conducting the interview says so the news media convicted you kenneth
00:45:24
mcduff replies none of the cases independently should have been convictions the news media accused me of
00:45:30
having tie-ins in all of them essentially what he's saying is that you wouldn't get a conviction
00:45:37
if if these cases were just completely separate from one another right you wouldn't be able to convict me if they
00:45:43
didn't know these other things that you suspected me of and so the reporter probes a little bit
00:45:49
more and says so are you saying that you've been convicted in three separate murder cases that you are a suspect in
00:45:56
half a dozen more that you've been given three death penalties and that in fact you're as innocent as the fresh fallen
00:46:04
snow to which mcduff replies no i'm telling you what the evidence is there wasn't
00:46:12
sufficient evidence in any of these cases for a conviction what a grade a [ __ ] because he's you you
00:46:22
can hear and see in his words he doesn't mind being the monster big ass he doesn't mind you believing that
00:46:31
he's killed all these people he doesn't mind that you believe that he's done all
00:46:35
these horrible things but he wants to point out that even if they got the right guy the
00:46:42
evidence isn't there there's not sufficient evidence to convict me i am the monster but i'm better
00:46:51
than your system i'm better than your law enforcement they didn't do their jobs well
00:46:58
looks like they did he ended up in the right place in the end yeah a big mistake
00:47:03
you know by texas one that they have owned up to and essentially they get it right in the end
00:47:12
but if it wasn't for green one of the things that we learned from green that's the most important out of
00:47:20
all this is macduff is going to commit horrible crimes and do and deny deny deny deny
00:47:29
deny never admit to be in there never never admit to anything and that will always leave some doubt in
00:47:40
people's mind one of the victims or believed to be a victim of kenneth mcduff one of their
00:47:47
family members told the newspapers when talking about kenneth mcduff's release from prison
00:47:59
and then he goes on to kill other people he says the the victim's family member says
00:48:07
they'll never convince me that what they did was right or ethical the only way he
00:48:12
meaning mcduff knows how to have a relationship with a woman is to abduct them rape them and murder them she goes
00:48:19
on to say that he went to prison a killer came out a killer and will kill again if given the opportunity quote
00:48:26
they'll try to convince me in a few years that he's 70 years old and will never hurt anybody again that's [ __ ] he'll
00:48:35
find a way to rape and murder none of us will be safe until he is dead which i absolutely agree and that's why
00:48:43
he is the texas monster so one of those trials captain was in 1992 in houston and that was for the abduction and
00:48:51
murder of melissa northrup at that trial we end up with the current sheriff from
00:48:59
falls county remember falls county sheriff's department was the sheriff's department that arrested
00:49:06
kenneth mcduff for the triple homicide back in 1966. so the current day sheriff in 1992 is at
00:49:13
the trial and goes on record saying quote kenneth mcduff is absolutely the most vicious and savage individual i
00:49:21
know he has absolutely no conscience and i think he enjoys killing he goes on to say had kenneth mcduff
00:49:30
been executed as scheduled from his conviction in 1966 there's no telling how many lives that
00:49:39
would have saved then we have some interesting insights from a dallas psychologist his name is
00:49:45
fred labowitz who after examining kenneth mcduff's crimes says mcduff is a guy that has no soul
00:49:59
he says there is little in the history of criminal science or the study of the criminal mind to account for kenneth
00:50:05
mcduff's sadistic conduct it goes on to say that this guy goes beyond the study of human behavior
00:50:15
the good doctor goes on to say in some people we can find behavior in their childhood
00:50:23
an absent father a drunken mother an abusive home but it appears there was none of these
00:50:30
it seems his incredible lust for evil appeared spontaneously and full blown no matter how thorough the studies of
00:50:38
the ted bundys and charles manson's of the world none of this can prepare us for an
00:50:45
encounter with kenneth mcduff i don't think we'll ever know how many victims in total he actually had it's hard to
00:50:53
say and i agree with a lot of these comments and a lot of these quotes here that we're citing
00:50:59
today because i agree i think that if he's out there if he's a free man if given the opportunity he would kill and
00:51:07
kill again and unfortunately he was rather efficient at doing it and it's very difficult to say how many
00:51:15
victims that we have we do know that later in life as it got closer to his execution date
00:51:24
now keep in mind texas is not going to get this wrong twice and they are going to make sure that
00:51:33
they execute this monster and as they're getting closer to his execution date he's a rather
00:51:42
physically sick individual by this time he has i believe hepatitis c and cirrhosis
00:51:49
he's having considerable liver problems at this point in his life he did leave the prison on at least one
00:51:59
occasion i believe it was maybe two or three occasions and led them to the remains of some of his victims
00:52:09
now he appeared to be trying to extort money from law enforcement prior to leaving the prison and showing
00:52:18
them where the remains were because he was requesting 700 be placed into his personal
00:52:26
inmate account and once the check cleared he would give them a body those were his
00:52:32
words right um there's no indication that anybody paid him a dime he may have just simply done this
00:52:40
because he was sick he was getting close to his execution date may have bought him a couple of extra days he may have
00:52:46
just wanted the field trip if you will out of prison one last time for a day or two he
00:52:54
did ultimately lead them to colleen reed's remains so he can say as much as he wanted
00:53:03
back then that warley made up the story i wasn't with warley well you were able to lead them to
00:53:11
colleen reed's remains and worley's part of the story was he committed some of these crimes with
00:53:17
you but was not with you when you killed her so it's obvious to me that he's guilty
00:53:23
of a lot of these crimes that he's suspected of he's guilty of every crime that he was convicted of and as you said
00:53:30
captain it's difficult to say how many people he killed it's also difficult to say how
00:53:36
many lives would have been spared had he been locked up and remained locked up after his crimes in 1966 yeah an
00:53:42
absolute monster good title for this texas monster it's also interesting to hear about when
00:53:50
they're on death row and captain you know me i try to be a positive guy try to be a positive thinker
00:53:57
and i want to be a positive person for everybody else out there but there are occasions when one
00:54:06
celebrates snuffing out of evil we talked about that with joseph duncan when he passed
00:54:12
away there was a little garage party that occurred that day we didn't have the garage back in 1998 but on november
00:54:20
17th in 1998 texas state executed kenneth allen mcduff at the age of 52 at their huntsville unit in huntsville
00:54:32
texas he was pronounced dead at 6 26 pm central time after receiving a lethal injection
00:54:42
before he was injected mcduff was offered the opportunity which many of his victims were not offered
00:54:50
the opportunity to have a last meal a request for last meal at which he requested two t-bone steaks
00:54:59
coca-cola's with all the fixins um it's been stated that the prison chef prepared hamburger and shaped it into
00:55:13
what a steak would be would look like and that's what they served him instead of the two t-bone stakes that he
00:55:19
requested i've seen other reports that state that he that he received exactly what he requested
00:55:26
but the other opportunity that he was afforded was to give a final statement or some last
00:55:32
words to which macduff said quote i'm ready to be released release me after the execution
00:55:42
one of kenneth mcduff's victim's mothers said i'm glad this is over my children are going to rest in peace now and he's
00:55:51
going where he ought to go i know where he's released [Music] i want to thank you so much for joining
00:56:12
us here in the garage you are our buddies you are our pals you join us here every week and we love
00:56:19
you for that colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful beautiful
00:56:23
listeners we do and this is actually a captain inspired recommended reading because you mentioned this case you
00:56:30
brought it up a couple weeks ago here on our big show and it reminded me of this
00:56:35
fantastic book and it's called death at the cecil hotel in los angeles by dale pearlman
00:56:41
built during los angeles rapid growth in the roaring 20s this cecil hotel was briefly a
00:56:49
glimmering downtown landmark until it became one of the most infamous sites of violence and murder in this country
00:56:57
check out this great book death at the cecil hotel in los angeles you can find that great title and many more
00:57:03
recommendations on our recommended page at truecrimegarage.com and until next week be good be kind and
00:57:11
don't litter so you