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has lasted 10 years. [music] And one family doesn't want you to forget two missing teenage girls. This is KOAF News
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at 10. I'm Rhonda Justice >> and I'm Dal Quick. Tomorrow marks the 10th anniversary of the murders of Danny
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and Kathy Freeman and the disappearance of their daughter and her friend. The Freemans were murdered and their home
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was burned to the ground in Welch, Oklahoma, December 30th, 1999. Their 16-year-old daughter, Ashley, was
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hosting a birthday sleepover with her friend Laura Bible. While the bodies of the Freeman parents were found inside
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the burned home, no trace of Ashley and Laura were ever found. Laura's mother hopes someone could still come forward
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with information and collect the $50,000 reward. We're going to have more on the
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anniversary and the investigation tomorrow. >> [music] [music] >> We were getting into the theories
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regarding the unsolved murders of Danny Freeman and his wife Kathy Freeman, as well as the mysterious disappearances of
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their daughter Ashley Freeman and her friend Laura Bible, which took place December 30th, 1999.
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>> Continuing on with those theories, one we hadn't got to yet was theory number
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three, that the police had killed Danny and his wife and then set fire to the the trailer, destroying evidence and
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abducting the girls. Let's talk about this one here for a second because this is one that is near and dear to the the
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hearts and minds of the Freeman family. There's a lot of family members that believe that this is the actual
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situation. >> Um >> Well, when one of your loved ones comes out and says, "Hey, if anything ever
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happens to me, uh look into the sheriff department." >> Yeah. And that's exactly what Danny had
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said to his brother Dwayne before uh he was killed. Right. And he had also told his brother that that according to Danny
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that he was told by the sheriff's department that they could do anything that they wanted to him and his family
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and there wasn't a thing that Danny could do about it. >> I never would have thought when we
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started the likelihood that law enforcement would be involved or possibly involved in so many different
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cases. >> Yeah, this is something that we seem to bump up against time and time again when
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we're covering these unsolved cases. But the situation here is we spoke about Danny's runin with the law. You know,
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this all occurred after his son Shane was shot by the police. >> Now, the situation is this that we also
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have some other factoring things here. Not only was Danny following around and hanging out in front of the officer's
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home and being followed by the officers as well, but according to local accounts
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that Danny Freeman once threatened the lives of police officer David Hayes, this is the officer that shot and killed
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his son Shane. >> The other thing is that Danny, according again to Dwayne, his brother, said that
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the sheriff's department was threatening him as well. So, we sounded like, you know, Danny was uh the harasser and also
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being harassed himself. And I don't know all of the specifics regarding their son
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being shot, but all reports that I have read seems to me like it was a justified
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shooting by police as well as, you know, they did conduct their own investigation
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and they state that it was a justified shooting that the officer David Hayes that he was simply defending himself
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against an armed man that was rumored to be suicidal that wanted suicide by cop that was seemed to be out willing, you
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know, willingly committing crime after crime, >> right? I think your vocabulary is wrong.
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I I don't think it was a man. You know, I still at that point, I think he's a boy.
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>> Mentally, he seemed very much like a a boy at that time. But the the the situation is this, okay, there is no
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evidence to suggest this theory is correct. Um the the officer David Hayes uh who shot and killed the son Shane,
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his brother is in law enforcement as well. Now both of them have taken polygraph exams after the girl's
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disappearance. Um and there was nothing within those exams to conclude or suspect either one of them of having any
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involvement in the disappearance or the murder of the Freeman's and Laura Bible.
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Now, we also have that they're not even considered suspects in this investigation. And one thing that I want
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to make clear, too, that they were never personally involved in the investigation
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of the murders or the disappearance because there was a conflict of interest. So, as soon as this case took
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off, they immediately got the the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation involved and they took over the case
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because there like like said, there's a conflict of of interest there. >> Yeah. There is one strange connection that I
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would like to bring up though and this this would kind of further the law enforcement conspiracy theory here is
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that uh several of the girls relatives participated in a pilot of a television program called What Really Happened.
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This took place in October of 2001. The show was not purchased by any of the networks and has never been uh
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broadcasted. Now, there was a woman named Deanna Dorsy. Uh she's a nurse who assisted the Freeman's on the night of
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Shane's death. She appeared on the show, you know, gave interviews and such. >> The other connection for Deanna Dorsy is
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that her daughter was a friend of Ashley's back in 1999. Now, Deanna was shot and killed at the hospital where
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she worked. This was shortly after a taping of this show, What Really Happened. authorities said, "Okay, hold
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on." >> So, this nurse comes out and she's on this TV program that never gets picked
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up, >> right? >> But for everybody, all accounts, people thought it was going to get picked up
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and she comes out and makes these claims on this show and then she is killed at her work.
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>> She I don't know that she claimed that law enforcement was involved. All I'm saying is that she gave interviews
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regarding this this TV show. Now, this would have been known in the area throughout the community that this show
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was taking place, that they're recording and they're interviewing different people.
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>> I mean, right. Again, let's remind everybody this is a town of 600 people. >> Mhm.
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>> You know, so we're a very small community. >> Yeah. And the neighboring town, which is
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the large one, has over 6,000 people. So, again, another small community. The situation is this, though. My guess is
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that she's probably uh somebody that you would want to seek out to interview because at this point when you're when
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you're making this show, the parents of Shane no longer exist to conduct these interviews. She was close to the family
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and helped them during the grieving process when they lost their son, >> right? >> And so she would have known some
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intimate details regarding the death of Shane and regarding how the family was trying to cope with the loss of their
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son. Deanna Dorsy. She was shot and killed by a man named Ricky Martin. >> And he was a former employee of the same
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of [clears throat] the same hospital where they both had worked. Now this gentleman Ricky Martin, he suffered from
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paranoid schizophrenia. >> Well, he also suffered from shaking his bon bon. Well, they believe that he was
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angry because he was let go from his job and that he came into work and he shot Deanna Dorsy at at his former work.
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>> I'm sorry to be insensitive. It's just it's hilarious. His name is hilarious.
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>> Now, I think why people connect this to, you know, there's some obvious connections immediately, you know, with
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with Deanna Dorsy having been close to the Freeman family and her daughter knows Ashley Freeman. So, there's those
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connections. She's involved in the taping of this TV show. But I think what kind of tops that theory off, the
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conspiracy theory off here is that Ricky Martin was was shot and killed by police
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that same day. And you know how it is. It's it's oh, he was shutting her up and now we're shutting him up. Um, but the
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thing is he he did he st he suffered from this this disease and he must have freaked out. That's the only thing they
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can come up with is that he freaked out about having been let go and that he went in there with the intention of
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harming somebody as a type of revenge for losing his job. The >> or shooting up the whole place. It
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doesn't look like it was >> she was I think just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't think she was
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targeted directly by Ricky Martin. And you have good reason to believe that be because law enforcement and the hospital
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itself have come out and stated that the two of them didn't know each other that
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that even though that they worked in the same location, no one could make any ties between the two of them that that
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that Ricky Martin would have had any reason to target her or that specifically went there to kill her. She
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just happened to [clears throat] be the person that he encountered when he was on this rampage. Well, well, we normally
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know where I sit on these things. Captain Conspiracy. >> You've been accused many times of loving
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a good conspiracy. >> Yeah, I'm guilty as charge. It's cuz I'm crazy. But where do you sit on this?
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>> Um, >> the the whole police theory that the police was involved. >> I don't think that the police theory
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holds any weight for me. I I see where we have the confrontation between Danny and the other officers
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>> and the harassment. Yeah, I I see that. And And here's here's where I'm going to
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take this thing. Did Danny cross the line? In my opinion, yes. [snorts] Did law enforcement cross the line in this
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situation before this family was murdered? Um, I don't know. And I'll tell you why. Because here's the thing.
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We have reports of Danny sitting in his vehicle in front of Officer Hayes's home. Mhm.
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>> That's much different to me than if you were if if you sat in front of my home
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in a vehicle multiple times, I would feel like you're threatening my family. If you personally just said something to
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my face where you threatened me, >> I would take that a that would be a lot less to me than a threat of you sitting
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in front of my family's home. >> Noted. >> Now, I do understand blue blood, man.
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You got to have your you got to have your brothers and sisters backs. You know, you can't we can't have
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disgruntled citizens sitting in front of officers homes intimidating them. However, I don't think that your way of
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taking care of that problem is that would make any sense. It doesn't make any sense to go and kill and murder the
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family and abduct these girls. To me, um you they would have had means of taking
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down Danny Freeman. I believe I believe they that that if some of the rumors were true regarding Danny and his
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behavior, >> right, >> I believe they probably could have arrested him on on a number of charges
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>> and that they would have felt safe with their families and and their personal
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safety having him simply behind bars and not have to do harm to innocent people that happen to be in family members or
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associated with Danny. So, I think that's why it doesn't hold any weight for me. I think that the police, if they
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and the sheriff's department, if they really wanted to correct the problem by being bullies, they could have done it
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by different means. >> Right. So, what you're saying is pretty much what I think as well, but I'm I'm
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going to put a little clearer, right? I don't think you were as clear as we could be. Crystal clear, right? So what
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you're saying is and what I believe is that they could have they could have removed Danny from the situation or they
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could have just taken care of Danny. >> Mhm. >> And why would you involved, you know,
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the wife? >> Mhm. >> Then and then also why would you involve the daughter? And then on top of that,
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why would you involve the daughter's friend, >> right? >> That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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I think part of them felt bad because this guy was harassing them, but I think part of them felt bad like we had to do
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our job. We had to defend ourselves, but I guarantee you they didn't feel good about themselves.
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>> No. >> When when they got home, here's this kid that was suffering from maybe a mental
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illness, maybe just, you know, maybe it was depression. Who knows? >> But he was acting out for some reason.
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he was acting out and they had this officer had to defend his life and that that's a a tough thing for that officer
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to have to do. And then it's a small town, small community. You have to look this father in the eye and you know what
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you did, but you know what you did was right and to defend yourself. The problem with any of these police
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conspiracies or these law enforcement conspiracies is if it was just Danny, they just found
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Danny dead in the home. It was a blaze and nobody else was dead, nobody was missing. Well,
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>> yeah. >> Look to the sheriff. >> Mhm. But these people that want to start thinking that law enforcement would take
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an innocent person that has nothing to do with anything and to, you know, murder that person or place that person
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on somebody's property after after they murdered him. It makes zero sense. >> Mhm. Yeah. And I think you really hit
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upon something here because I think that that's probably the reason why they never arrested Danny for any of these
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things and put him behind bars so that he couldn't hurt their families. I think they were trying to show Danny a bit of
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compassion, >> right? >> And and in the means that did they threaten him or threaten his his family?
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I believe that probably happened. Yeah. >> And but I don't think that they had any
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intention of carrying out those threats. Now, remind you, I'm a thousand miles removed from the situation and and you
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know, many years later, but the but my gut feeling tells me that, you know, when when you're sitting out in front of
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my home and I know that that I >> unfortunately was thrown into a situation where I had to defend myself
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and your son lost his life. I can see I could see myself saying, "You know what?
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I'm going to deal with this problem of him being in front of my home by him intimidating my family. I'm going to
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deal with this problem with words and not with fist, not with cuffs, not with guns. I'm going to deal with it with
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words. And if I have to get into an argument with this gentleman or if I have to have an exchange with this
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gentleman and he's threatening me and it leads me to threaten him, I I can believe that the threats happen. But
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again, I don't think there there was any intention of carrying out any of those threats.
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>> Well, and the big red flag here, too, is initially at the scene, it was just Kathy that they found dead. It wasn't
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until um it wasn't until the Bibles came around that they found Danny dead themselves or or you know the dog's
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help. Yeah. So, you know, if you're trying to cover something up, you'd think you'd do a better job of uh
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policing the crime scene. >> Well, not only that, they released the crime scene very early. You know, that's
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why the Bibles found Danny's body. And then to further that, the the following day after Danny's body was found, they
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opened up that property because it was a large property to volunteers. They had over 500 people there that day searching
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the property for any evidence regarding the the whereabouts of the girls or, you
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know, possible evidence of who committed these murders, >> right? So, what you're saying is why
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open this up for a search party if you're trying to contain it? Yeah, >> it would be really fishy if they said,
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"You know what? Yeah, we understand we got two missing girls here, but we don't want you searching the property."
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>> They could have sat on that property for days and days and days, >> right? That would have been fishy. So,
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look, I know I I know you start getting this gut feeling. I know you're listening to this case out there and you
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start thinking, "Oh, maybe it's law enforcement." I'm my gut is telling me after you look at the evidence, after
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you look at the procedures that took place, I don't think there's a lot of weight to that theory. So, let's remind
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everybody what the remaining three theories were regarding this case. Now, mind you, these are theories based off
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of law enforcement, based off of people in the community, family members. These are these are their theories. And I want
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to go through these three because I think what we're going to cover next in in the second half of today's show will
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I want you to think about these different suspects as we go through them and how they could fit into either of
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these theories cuz they're they're somewhat similar. So theory number four was that the police were not involved
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but Danny was targeted and he was the target due to drug activity. >> Theory number five was that the girls
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were actually the target. that the motivation for this attack was abduction and that the parents were just killed in
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the fire was set to hide evidence and abduct the girls. >> Human trafficking. >> And then the sixth theory that they were
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working off of was that someone that knew the family had killed the Freeman's and abducted the girls. And
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>> it's so interesting to me when there's multiple confessions into a case. >> Mhm. Well, they start rolling in and
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this the first one comes 18 months after the crime was committed and this is a jailhouse confession by several inmates.
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Um they state that they had seen the girls or had knowledge of the girls being at a home that was in the area.
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This home is also known to law enforcement. And this would have been on New Year's Eve 1999. So, the day after
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the girls were abducted, these guys were saying that they had knowledge or seen the girls there. Now, this was a
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suspected drug house. >> Um, their accounts are this >> that that the girls were being held
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captive there. They were being assaulted and tortured and they didn't know what happened to the girls, but they knew
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that they were there on that date. the situation. The the police, they have rumor to believe this because like I
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said, this is already a home that is known to law enforcement. This is a home that they
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>> drug house. >> Yeah. They keep an eye on the house. They keep an eye on the occupants of the
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house. So, they get a search warrant, the necessary warrant, and they decide to raid the home.
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>> Good. >> They do not find any evidence of the girls having been there. Now, mind you,
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this is 18 months later. They did find um a lot of evidence regarding um methamphetamine manufacturing
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>> and so they were able to take down the the necessary people because of that and
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make charges there. The other strange thing is that one of the jail house confessors claimed that there was a tape
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of some of a VHS tape of some of the activity that was going on that day in that home and that he didn't know where
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the tape would be located or where it could be found, but he had viewed a portion of that tape at some point.
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>> And the the tape would have been of them being tortured. Is that what they're
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saying? Um the probably most likely um you know you don't have to use your imagination too much to to to think of
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what could be on that tape. Um now I could not locate these >> the the men that made these statements.
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I could not locate their names and that doesn't surprise me because they're >> right but essentially it's not a
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confession because they're not the ones that were you know they didn't abduct the girls. They're the ones that said,
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"Hey, well, we were at this party >> and we knew about it. We turned a blind eye." That's kind of what they're
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confessing to, >> right? Well, which would be a crime, but they're probably sitting down stating
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that, you know what, I can give you I can give you what I know as long as this doesn't come back on me,
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>> right? You're guilty of being a piece of [ __ ] >> Yes. Um the but again, I it doesn't
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surprise me that we cannot locate the names of these guys because it's a jailhouse confession. They're not going
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to release these names. That's the kind of stuff that they, you know, you get the prison justice within the walls. Uh
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they >> Yeah. But part of the other reason that they wouldn't release this stuff is that
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they're they're confessing to being a part of something. You know, again, not the ones that captured these girls, but
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they're at this party with these known drug dealers that by all accounts, if you're saying if what they're saying is
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true, these people murdered these people. uh they these people murdered the parents and then abducted these
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teenage girls >> and so law enforcement doesn't have to say who who said this stuff,
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>> right? >> You know, and obviously I think law enforcement felt like there was some
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validity there because they did the raid. >> Yeah. >> So again, that that doesn't mean that
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that what they're saying is not true. >> It could be it could be true. Yes. But but as an inmate, if I sit down and I'm
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going to pass along knowledge of something I know about of a horrible crime, I'm not going to want you to use
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my name. >> You know, >> well, I don't want anybody to use my name. >> Well, the the my final thought on this
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theory here, Captain, is is there is one little tidbit of of evidence here. If if
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in fact these stories are true, then the one gentleman stated that well I shouldn't say gentleman, the one dude
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stated that there was a VHS tape. Now um does that tape still exist? I would I would the smart wager in me would say no
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that it's probably been destroyed and gotten rid of. Um, but keep that in the back of your mind there because these
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things have, you know, the truth has a way of coming out in in the long run. And this is something that you could
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hold on to that that there might be some evidence out there that somebody could stumble across one day or find one day
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and we would be able to to just punch microphones. >> We would be able to solve this case
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regarding this situation. Well, and this goes back to my original thoughts of why
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the heck they probably moved out there to begin with. I mean, if you're just trying to grow a little pot, you know,
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maybe you'd want some land. I'm not saying that people want just want land anyways, but when they talk about drug
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activities and being a royal area, I kept on saying that there's probably meth and fetamines or or something of
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that nature going on. >> Oh, it's definitely going on in the area. Yeah, >> it's definitely going on in the area.
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I'm saying going on with Danny. That's my gut feeling. So to me, I mean, this is super creepy. If if you Why would you
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take these girls hostage other than for human trafficking and then you're going to videotape their tort them being
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tortured or sexually abused or whatever? You're a sick individual. >> You know what I mean? And it it's very
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uh kind of reminding me of uh True Detective season 1, which was a crazy show. But anyways, that to me, there's
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so many creepy levels of that. And uh I wish we would know I want to know where the investigation
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took them further, but if these people were just uh making drugs and then up their game as far as criminal activity,
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they might have fled the area. and we never will know who it was and it probably was multiple people as well.
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>> Do you think it's a possibility? Because you know there's there's usually rumors
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amongst criminals, right? There's there's there's rumors amongst that crowd. Um do you think that there's a
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possibility that these guys in jail that that maybe had heard a rumor that this drug house was involved somehow with
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these girls or the death of Danny and thought, you know what, >> we're going to try to help. There's
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Well, not only that, there's a reward and and maybe if if this rumor is right, I'm going to go I'm going to pretend
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like I know something and uh maybe I get out early. Maybe I get released early, you know? Maybe just kind of taking a a
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shot in the dark there. >> Yeah, possibly. But I think the VHS tape, it's either just a detail
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that you heard or, you know, it could have been a detail you make you make up. I don't know to make yourself seem a
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little more believable. But, uh, I think there's some weight to this and and there makes and this theory makes some
00:28:05
logical sense. Let's get into more theories right after this quick beer break. [music]
00:28:24
[music] All right, [music] we're back. Cheers, mates. >> Cheers. We have a confession to get to
00:28:35
here, and this is from an article titled, "Authorities investigate death row killers claims." This is from the
00:28:42
Joplain Globe back in May of 2002. And I'll read some pieces of this uh article so we can get a a good idea of what's
00:28:51
going on. Tommy Lynn Cells, aged 38, who is considered one of the nation's most prolific serial killers, made the claim
00:28:59
in a letter to the Joplin Globe postmarked May 10th. This is he's claiming to know the whereabouts of the
00:29:07
two missing girls. >> Cells had previously claimed involvement in the 1999 disappearance of Ashley
00:29:13
Freeman and Laura Bible, but he said that he couldn't remember any details. In the letter, Cells said he could now
00:29:22
take authorities to where the girls are buried. He says that he wants, you know,
00:29:28
what does he remember about December 30th? Well, he states that he he wants to say this, that he remembers where the
00:29:35
two bodies are, and he believes he can take them to the bodies, and he also wants to remember a fire. Tommy Cells
00:29:43
was a drifter and sometimes carnival mechanic. During his 20 plus years on the road, Cells claims he has murdered
00:29:51
more than 50 people. Authorities have confirmed 17 of his kills, some of them in Illinois, Missouri, and Oklahoma.
00:30:00
Authorities said that they are skeptical of the serial killer's latest claim, but
00:30:05
said that they will talk to him. >> Right. But what we do know is that he was in the area. you know, he has
00:30:11
killings in that area. >> Uh they they state that he would be considered a very good suspect or at
00:30:18
least a suspect. Um and they said that they don't want to talk, the authorities don't want to talk about the credibility
00:30:25
of anything. Uh because, you know, they're going to talk to him because they don't have very many leads
00:30:31
in this case and they want to check everything out. >> Well, what happens when they talk to
00:30:35
him? Well, his previous claim was that he couldn't remember anything or any of the details regarding the case or the
00:30:41
crime itself. Now, after some some more time has elapsed, now he's all of a sudden he's clear about what happened
00:30:48
and he can lead him to the bodies. He can talk about the details of the murders.
00:30:53
The end result is that they take him to where he said he disposed of the bodies.
00:30:59
And this was near the Red River, which is on the border of Oklahoma and Texas. Mhm.
00:31:04
>> And the first of all, they don't find any remains or any evidence uh that that
00:31:10
the girls were ever there or that their bodies were there. Uh furthermore, the way that he had described the area and
00:31:17
the location of where they would find these bodies beforehand, once they take him to the location, it it doesn't even
00:31:25
match up with with his description of where he says he placed the bodies. Furthermore, he couldn't give any real
00:31:33
details about the crime itself regarding how the Freeman's were killed, how the crime went down. Um, he didn't know any
00:31:42
details to to further make them believe that he had any insight to give them. It
00:31:48
was >> Yeah. And you think with all these goofy false confessions that law enforcement
00:31:53
would get to the point where they go, "Okay, well, in this scenario, we have two dead bodies, right?"
00:31:58
>> Mhm. give me details of these >> right >> before we go on a wild goose chase looking for these missing girls.
00:32:06
>> Well, and they actually did because he wanted to talk about this previously and
00:32:10
he couldn't provide him with any information. So, they didn't take him out on the road. They they waited until
00:32:14
he stated, you know, now now I know this information. Now, I can pass along this
00:32:19
information. They believe that everything that he was telling them was stuff that he would have been able to
00:32:23
find in the newspapers, right? You know, stuff that that you and I could have told them about the crimes. So, this
00:32:28
basically goes nowhere and we're back to square one. >> Yeah. This leaves us with a second
00:32:33
confession and this comes from a guy by the name of Jeremy Jones and I'll take you through a little bit of his
00:32:39
background so we can figure out if if his confession will carry more weight than that of Tommy Lels.
00:32:46
>> So, back in 1997, uh, Jones receives probation. He's put on probation for 5 years. uh he's living
00:32:53
in the Oklahoma area and dur he's put on probation because he has committed sexual assault, three counts of sexual
00:33:01
assault actually. So he receives 5 years of probation right in the year 2000 in December of 2000.
00:33:08
>> In the year 2000 >> he leaves Oklahoma and he goes to Alabama. Now, during the course of him
00:33:15
leaving the state, he has assumed a new identity and he's even received a social
00:33:22
security number along with personal info. Uh he got this from a woman whose son was in prison in Missouri. So, he
00:33:30
steals this person's identity and he's now in Alabama. Well, while in Alabama in 2003,
00:33:39
he's arrested for indecent exposure. In 2004, he's arrested for criminal trespassing.
00:33:46
Now, the problem here is, Captain, that during both of those arrests, you know, fingerprints are taken, and they fail to
00:33:55
realize the real identity of this person. He's now going by the alias of John Paul Chapman, real name Jeremy
00:34:03
Jones. The authorities after two arrests, they do not make the connection that John Paul Chapman is actually
00:34:10
Jeremy Jones. >> Mhm. >> In 2004, he is arrested for the rape slaying of a 45year-old woman. This is Lisa Nichols
00:34:21
and this took place in Alabama. Now, he shot her. He mutilated the body and he set her trailer on fire.
00:34:30
>> The the situation is as such. He states that they were out together, that she
00:34:36
asked him to come back to her home, and at some point he believes she was trying
00:34:42
to rob him. She was going through his things or his backpack or something like that, and he flew into a druginduced
00:34:49
rage, killed her, and set the trailer on fire. The problem here is we have a situation where it's so much similar to
00:34:58
the Freeman murder. You know, we have people that were shot in a trailer trailer set on fire.
00:35:03
>> Yeah. He's he's looking pretty suspicious at this point. >> Well, to make matters worse, you know,
00:35:07
we already have this horrific killing of of the the woman, Lisa Nichols, >> but law enforcement failed to discover
00:35:16
his true identity. You know, he was he was on probation and that probation was revoked in the year 2000.
00:35:24
>> Mhm. >> So, he would have he's a fugitive from the law at this point. So, even though
00:35:29
you have something as small as an indecent exposure or a criminal trespassing charge, this would they they
00:35:36
would then f, you know, ship your butt back to Oklahoma and poor Lisa Nichols would still be alive. I I don't want to
00:35:43
harp on law enforcement too much because for those of for those of people that don't know that the fingerprinting
00:35:50
process is pretty complicated and it it's not uncommon that that things identities or such could slip through
00:35:56
the cracks regarding fingerprints. Well, and technology is way ahead now >> and it but it's a little troubling when
00:36:03
it happens, you know, more than once with the same individual, especially somebody as heinous as as Jeremy Jones,
00:36:11
as evil as he is. Because while he is while they're waiting to convict him, we we got a guy, he ends up confessing to a
00:36:19
total of 13 murders, they only end up charging him with three of those. um they could only find evidence enough to
00:36:27
con get a conviction of three of those. But what happens later is that he then confesses to the murders of Danny
00:36:36
Freeman, Kathy Freeman, and abducting Ashley Freeman and Laura Bible and disposing of their bodies after he
00:36:44
murders them. >> Mhm. >> His story goes that he knew somebody and he knew a man.
00:36:53
>> I knew somebody. Okay. >> Well, he knew a man named Charlie. >> Okay. >> And Charlie was associated with Danny.
00:37:01
>> Okay. >> I've heard several accounts of this story that that either Jeremy Jones was
00:37:06
owed money by Danny Freeman or that Danny Freeman owed this Charlie guy some money.
00:37:12
>> Okay. >> Regardless, that's his connection to Danny Freeman. He goes to the Freeman
00:37:18
home to collect what what is his what he believes is his. He says that he spends hours
00:37:26
driving around looking for the Freeman home, >> which makes sense. >> There's not a lot of proof that he would
00:37:32
have known where the home was with the exception of had he ever gone there with Charlie or received information from
00:37:40
Charlie, then he might have known where their home is. >> Right. But such a remote area, it's it's
00:37:45
very easy if your friend lives in, you know, if your friend lives in a subdivision, right? That if you drive
00:37:51
around enough, you go, "Oh, I I remember this. I remember that." That's a lot harder to do in a remote area. Well, and
00:37:58
I want to I want to read somebody's description of the Freeman's home so they can get an idea of how hard I think
00:38:05
that this home would be to find, especially in the dark. You know, I know I have I have several friends that live
00:38:10
out in the sticks. I'll I'll call it. And but I've driven past I've been to their homes many times and driven past
00:38:18
the entrance to their home even in the broad daylight because they live so far off the road. Uh it's not well marked.
00:38:25
But this is a description from a local person that I found regarding the Freeman home. They state that the
00:38:31
Freeman's home is a trailer located just outside of Welsh city limits. It's located at the end of a halfmile dirt
00:38:39
driveway. The property is only identifiable by a simple mailbox that sat on top of iron chain of an iron
00:38:48
chain stand. >> And it basically the only indication that you would have that that's
00:38:53
somebody's driveway and just not some random dirt road is this tiny little mailbox that's not, you know, it's not
00:39:00
lit. Um it's and they have a little >> Do most people have glowing mailboxes? Well, they have a little No, but they
00:39:07
might have a light above or a street light would be located near the the driveway. Not this situation. And that
00:39:13
there's a little bit of a rock formation um near the driveway as well. That to the locals is the only indication that
00:39:21
there is a home back there. >> Okay. So, where does his story go from here? >> He's at the home and he is he's murdered
00:39:30
Danny and Kathy. He then sets the trailer on fire and unbeknownst to him that there were other people inside the
00:39:40
the trailer. He goes outside uh he's getting ready to leave the property when the two girls come running out of the
00:39:48
burning trailer. >> All right. So, let's back this up a little bit. So, he goes in to collect
00:39:53
his money from Danny. >> Mhm. >> There's probably some kind of tussle because like we know Danny has a broken
00:39:58
collar bone. >> Mhm. So he gets shot, then he has to shoot Kathy, the wife, because she's
00:40:05
there. She's a witness. >> Yep. >> Okay. So that all checks out. Driving around for a while cuz you can't find
00:40:12
the property. It's hard to find. It's nighttime. That checks out, >> right? >> There's two individuals in the trailer
00:40:19
that he's not aware of. So, do the girls hear what's going on and they just stay in their room and
00:40:30
hide? Is, you know, >> he he doesn't know why they they didn't appear or doesn't state why that he
00:40:38
doesn't see them until or even know that they're in the home until the place is set on fire.
00:40:43
>> He says that when they came out of the trailer. Well, real quick, does he have
00:40:47
a rough timeline of when he claims he's he shows up to the Freeman's home? >> This cuz we know that the boyfriend was
00:40:55
there till probably 9:30, 10 10:30. >> According to statements that I read, this would put him in the Freeman home
00:41:03
in the early morning hours of the 30th. >> Okay. So, >> so, >> so we could assume the girls would be
00:41:08
asleep. >> And I I do want everybody to keep in mind um that this is a bit of a vague
00:41:14
confession. And the reason I believe this is is because he is a well-known Jeremy Jones is a well-known methhead.
00:41:22
Um he might not be the details of this crime might not even be clear to him. Um but he states anyway that the girls came
00:41:30
rushing out of the trailer and to his surprise, they didn't know that he was the
00:41:36
perpetrator of anything that had happened that had taken place before the the trailer was ablaze.
00:41:42
>> Well, maybe they slept through it. He he says that they thought or assumed that
00:41:47
he was passing by and saw the fire and had intended to report it or to help in some manner.
00:41:55
>> So, he gets them in his vehicle and they willingly leave the property. >> The problem is they're not going to be
00:42:04
alive for very much longer because of what kind of animal Jeremy Jones is. >> Right. Well, and he he obviously seems
00:42:11
like a a sex offender. >> Yeah. >> You know, he he definitely is. And he he says that he drove them to a location
00:42:18
that was about an hour away. Um and he he assaulted one of the girls. Um one of the girls tried to run off. Uh he shot
00:42:28
her and then murdered the other girl and then he threw their bodies down into a minehaft.
00:42:35
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, the problem with this mineshaft is that it's one of these there's multiple there's multiple pits
00:42:43
and stuff in this location and it also has a series of underground tunnels um that could be flushed out from time to
00:42:52
time due to water. >> Right. Right. >> So, he >> and he and he's confessing years later.
00:42:57
So, >> this is years and years of possible flushing of these minds. >> Yeah. and they
00:43:04
>> the thing I don't like about his story and maybe and this wouldn't I want to know your thoughts
00:43:10
but the thing that I don't like about his story is that his story seems to make some sense.
00:43:18
>> It makes a lot of sense >> and even for a meth head uh you know because it's like like you said didn't
00:43:29
know they were there. He has a motive. There's a logical explanation of why he would want Danny dead.
00:43:36
>> And then there's obviously a logical explanation of why he wants Kathy dead because she's there.
00:43:42
>> Mhm. >> Right. And he's probably in a meth state anyways. >> Yeah. >> You know, up or down. And I don't know
00:43:50
much about it, so I'm not captain of meth heads. Um, but then the girls are there and here's
00:43:58
this guy with, you know, these sexual demons. >> Mhm. >> And he is a sexual demon.
00:44:05
>> Exactly. Right. So So that's what that's to me it's seems like everything he's
00:44:12
saying makes sense. >> Mhm. uh with the exception of they do they do an extensive search of the area
00:44:20
in the minehafts, these pits, the tunnels, nothing is found of the girls. Um and
00:44:28
immediately when he realizes that they didn't find anything, well, he takes back his confession. He's no longer
00:44:33
confessing to to the >> Well, that's probably a play by his lawyer, though. >> Um
00:44:39
>> well, here's the other thing, too, though. You said he, you know, he confessed to 13. They only tried him for
00:44:44
three. >> Yeah. >> But those held up. >> Yeah. >> So, okay. So, we So, now we do have some
00:44:50
evidence that this guy confesses to stuff that he actually does do and then there is obviously enough evidence to
00:44:57
find it because if he confessed and if they would have found that body, if they would have found those bodies, right?
00:45:03
>> Mhm. >> That that would have been enough to convict him. >> Right. Of course.
00:45:07
>> So, again, I think that's a play from the lawyer, >> you know, recant the statement. Um,
00:45:14
when you compare the two confessions, Tommy Lync's to Jeremy Jones, >> Tommy Linels, he some of the things he
00:45:21
confessed to, they were able to take off the books and clear because um, his confessions were accurate. However, I
00:45:29
would throw Tommy Lyn Cells into the category of he's probably our generation's version of Henry Lee Lucas.
00:45:36
um you know, another another killer, but somebody that confessed to multiple killings. You know, they
00:45:44
>> they saw it on TV and therefore he confessed. >> Mhm. And I think that I think Tommy
00:45:48
Linels was basically just a very weak, disturbed man. Um and I certainly guilty of multiple murders. However, I think he
00:45:56
wanted to be much like Henry Lee Lucas where he was thought as of some kind of genius serial killer type. Um, I don't
00:46:04
know if the authorities or if the media or if Tommy Lin Cells himself gave him the nickname, but he was known by the
00:46:13
nickname of Coast to Coast, you know, meaning he had killed multiple people in multiple states.
00:46:17
>> You're not going to ruin my AM radio show for me. >> And go ahead. Oh, yeah. The coast to
00:46:24
coast. >> Not calling him coast to coast. >> Um, but regarding Jeremy Jones, you
00:46:28
know, we know he is he was from Oklahoma. Uh the strange thing too is that he leaves the state the following
00:46:37
year. Um you know it it I know that yes he was on probation. Yes, his probation was revoked um and he became a fugitive.
00:46:46
>> Maybe he was running simply from that. I would wonder if he was running from these four murders that he had committed
00:46:52
and later confessed to recanting that confession. >> Right. Again, the only the only thing I
00:46:58
believe about the recanning is that it's a lawyer play. And then also, I mean, as
00:47:04
far as confessions go, where does um the Bible family stand on any of these confessions? Um, if I had to guess what
00:47:12
they would would think and believe, I their theory, Lorine's theory would probably lean most towards Jeremy Jones,
00:47:23
>> right? And in my, you know, my theory and the reason why we kind of hinted on
00:47:28
this a little bit that how tough it would be to locate their home, it it would seem very strange to me that a
00:47:35
person like Tommy Lynn Cells that that he would have been able to locate this home. I don't think he knew these
00:47:42
people. I don't think he knew the Freeman's. And it doesn't strike me that this is the type of home that some
00:47:48
random killer traveling the streets um you know there's a killer on the road to quote Jim Morrison uh would just stumble
00:47:57
upon this home and commit this horrible crime. >> Yeah. And I think with um Jeremy Jones,
00:48:05
there's a connection to Danny >> for one. And then now just go with me on this. This is not too far-fetched.
00:48:15
You need to collect money. Why? Because you're a meth head, >> right? So, you go and you're going to
00:48:23
kill Danny. Then you're going to kill Kathy. And then these girls come running out
00:48:29
and you don't know a bunch of details of what has happened or what hasn't happened, right?
00:48:37
>> You're kind of blurry with your details. But we have the first confession being
00:48:41
these people in jail saying, "Well, the rumor is that we heard or a party that we were at could have been Charlie's
00:48:51
house >> and and is this Charlie is this Charlie individual connected to this meth
00:48:58
house?" >> And is it is it possible that >> is Jeremy Jones connected or Charlie
00:49:05
connected to this meth house? >> Right. And then that would make their story make sense. And if any of those uh
00:49:13
jail house snitches, I'd say, could come forward and say Jeremy Jones was at that
00:49:18
party, then there's more validity to that confession as well. If that is the way it happened,
00:49:25
>> you're you're saying that Jeremy Jones would having abducted the girls would then have something to barter with uh to
00:49:32
try to obtain more drugs or pay back a debt to his drug dealers, >> right? Or because he killed Danny, maybe
00:49:41
he found some money, you know, in the freezer. Maybe he didn't. Or maybe it was just I have these girls. They're not
00:49:48
aware that I killed their parents and I'm going to take them to this party. Mhm.
00:49:54
>> this drug party on New Year's. >> There are >> putting the girls there. I'm just saying
00:49:58
that there that is a possibility. >> There are some problems with his confession.
00:50:03
>> Um he was arrested on the 30th at 4:00 a.m. and this would have put him in the
00:50:10
area of the Freeman home. The problem with that is we have the medical examiner stating that they believe I'm
00:50:18
sorry she believes that Kathy Freeman was killed at 5:00 a.m. >> Right. >> Um so this would make one if that in
00:50:28
fact is true. I would love to know. You know, anytime we're doing these cases, there's always that one little tidbit of
00:50:34
of knowledge that I think is needed to really hone in and target and and bullseye a suspect,
00:50:42
>> right? >> And so they're saying, okay, so >> the bit of information in this one for
00:50:46
me is that time of death. How strong do they feel about that 5 a.m. time of death?
00:50:51
>> Right. 5:00 a.m. time of death. But they're saying at 4:00 a.m. he's arrested.
00:50:55
>> Mhm. >> So that puts him in the area. >> Yeah. He would have been about 10 or 11
00:51:00
miles away from the Freeman home at 4:00 a.m. when he's arrested. He's arrested for like uh he's intoxicated or high or
00:51:08
something like that. Um but he's arrested. The other bit of knowledge that would be interesting to find out
00:51:14
is, you know, what belongings did he have on him at the time that he was arrested? Did did he have a large sum of
00:51:21
money? You know, did he have hundreds and hundreds of dollars in his pockets when he when he was arrested?
00:51:26
>> Right. Or or was he alone? And maybe he just can't, you know, maybe he's confessing to the crime because he knows
00:51:35
that he was involved somehow, >> but [clears throat] maybe he wasn't alone. So maybe, you know, maybe the,
00:51:43
you know, maybe they're basing the time of death off of when they think the fire
00:51:48
was started. >> It's a possibility because the first known uh sighting of the fire would be
00:51:54
at 5:30 a.m., >> right? And if you and if you back it up and you say, "Okay, well, uh, you know,
00:52:01
Jeremy Jones and and his friend Charlie go to the house at midnight, 1:00 a.m. The murders could take place." Then
00:52:11
Jeremy Jones actually leaves the scene and Charlie's still at the scene to have the fire start.
00:52:17
>> You kind of crossed you crossed into what we were going to get to next here is regarding a tip that was received.
00:52:23
This was received um about a year maybe maybe two years ago. >> Um but it was a tip that Loren Bible had
00:52:31
received on her there's a the on her web page >> page right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So she receives a tip that somebody
00:52:38
should look into the well of this old u old Charlie Critter house. Now Critter lives in Kansas. Um, but because of the
00:52:48
state line, it's not terribly far from the Freeman home. >> Um, and here's the other thing.
00:52:58
>> Now, according to Lorine, Charlie and Danny knew each other, right? >> So, here's what I'm getting at here. And
00:53:07
Jeremy Jones states that he knew this Charlie guy that Danny owed money to, >> but he never says it's Charlie Critter.
00:53:15
He just says Charlie, this guy named Charlie. >> Now, the according to local newspapers,
00:53:22
not only did Charlie Critter know Danny Freeman because they might they they don't in the local papers, I couldn't
00:53:30
find any drug connection, but according to Lorine, there's a drug connection there. The local papers state that they
00:53:36
knew one another because a they had worked together at one point. >> Mhm. and B, that Critter owned several
00:53:43
uh cattle that were that lived on the Freeman property. So, there's another connection to this
00:53:50
this Critter guy. Well, they they they're given this tip to search the well of of his former home,
00:53:57
>> right? >> They search the well. Um they send uh cameras down deep into the well and they
00:54:03
find they they found no evidence that there there was definitely no bodies in there. The only thing I believe they
00:54:09
found was some old some old bucket. Um, but there was no other type of uh debris
00:54:13
that would lead you to believe that there were any personal belongings or clothing or anything of that nature.
00:54:19
>> Again, what I was saying though is, you know, with Jeremy Jones confessing, maybe it's just not implementing his
00:54:25
buddy Charlie. >> And I think >> all this as well. >> Well, who is Charlie? Charlie's a guy
00:54:30
that's currently spending he's got to serve 14 years in prison for seconddegree murder. He murdered a
00:54:37
woman. right? He's a bad ombre. >> He murdered a woman and uh they found her body in a creek. Um and the
00:54:45
situation is they don't believe that they couldn't find any evidence of sexual assault. Um so maybe he's not the
00:54:52
same kind of animal that uh Jeremy Jones is. But you're exactly right, Captain. We have a situation where it's very
00:54:59
likely that this Charlie character that Jeremy Jones says he knows is in fact the same Charlie critter that we've been
00:55:07
talking about that knew Danny that was rumored that he owed money to one or both of these people.
00:55:14
>> Here's what here's what I think happened. I think that >> so are we giving our theories now?
00:55:19
>> I think we got to because we've been kind of beating around it the whole time
00:55:22
here. Uh the I think that the two of them probably committed this crime together. And I think that that's the
00:55:29
only way that you could make the timeline make sense regarding uh Jeremy Jones's involvement.
00:55:35
>> Well, his arrest, right? Because him being arrested at 4:00 a.m. Is that right?
00:55:40
>> Yeah. Uh >> that is what kind of puts the wrinkle on the whole confession. And Loren Bible,
00:55:47
her belief is that the the connection between the crimes >> is and the murderers is is Danny
00:55:55
Freeman. That somebody came to the trailer that night looking for Danny for some reason and this was the result. And
00:56:03
I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and I'm going to believe what her
00:56:06
gut tells her because I can tell from all the research and reading that I've done that nobody has spent more time on
00:56:13
this case and on this investigation the than Lorine Bible and she knows that she
00:56:19
knows the players involved. >> Yeah. Well, she knows the characters and she knows the landscape. She she knows
00:56:25
everything. And on top of that, her motive for getting answers is stronger than anybody's because of the loss of
00:56:32
her daughter. >> And I I think that two people or more had to commit this crime because of one
00:56:38
simple fact. Okay. Well, let's make it two simple facts, but they're pretty much the same thing.
00:56:43
Okay, we know we've described Danny Freeman very well to everybody. It's easy to say that he has a temper.
00:56:51
There's no reason to think that if he was confronted or put in a situation that he didn't want to be in that he
00:56:57
would not fight back. This this is a guy that would fight back 100%. And second of all is rumored to have a
00:57:04
stockpile of guns and firearms on his property. >> Uhhuh. >> You do not I don't care how much meth
00:57:11
you do. I don't care how dumb you are or how evil you are. You do not approach a
00:57:17
man or his property that is of that character and has that amount of weapons by yourself.
00:57:24
>> Well, you're and the reason why they would be approaching him is to get money.
00:57:28
>> To get money or to >> Right. So, when you're going to go collect money from somebody, you don't
00:57:32
show up empty-handed. Right. >> Right. And I think what happened here, I think that we have two terrible
00:57:39
individuals. >> Mhm. >> We have Critter and we have his buddy Jeremy Jones. And it's not a stretch to
00:57:45
believe that they those two knew each other that they went to that home together to confront Jeremy or sorry
00:57:53
Danny >> about money. >> Well, or >> or or he's making drugs like I said or he's making drugs.
00:57:59
>> Yeah. Most likely could have went there to collect money or just straight up to
00:58:02
rob the guy, >> right? >> And they get in this scuffle. They get in this situation and then we have
00:58:08
Jeremy Jones. Look, because it could be as simple as uh you know, I'm out, you know, creepy critter is over there and
00:58:16
he's has his cattle and Danny just opens up the freezer and get some ice for a beer or
00:58:23
something. Oh, what's that in the freezer? Oh, my daughter's saving up for, you know,
00:58:29
>> or they knew there was money on the property, right? Right. >> You know, it was also believed that
00:58:33
Danny had some kind of collection that was full of valuables. Maybe they went there to collect that or or there was
00:58:39
just a disagreement. You never know. But with giving the character of these two guys of Critter and Jones, I I
00:58:47
>> and it to me I I I'm with you on the fact that it doesn't seem like it's just
00:58:51
a lone individual >> that it would it more likely be two individuals, but I still feel like
00:58:58
there's some validity to the the jail house snitches and that and like I said because that and one of the issues here
00:59:06
is because Jeremy Jones is a methhead. head his story. It makes so much sense, but there's so
00:59:15
many gaps >> and so many kind of just dark spots that that if he could remember those or if he
00:59:23
would have stated those and I think maybe some of that some of the stuff he's not stating correctly, it's because
00:59:29
he doesn't want to implement uh Charles. And probably the reason why is because he knows that if he ever got out or if
00:59:38
he ever was confronted with this individual again, he could be killed by him. Well, you know,
00:59:43
>> and these two guys are very in some ways very different from one another. Uh Critter has never confessed to to the
00:59:50
murder that he has been convicted of. Um he's not, you know, talking about it. He
00:59:55
he actually claims that he was framed. Um, Jones, as we know, he he from time to time will sing like a bird and tell
01:00:03
you, you know, every confession that he can think of. Uh, Jones did know, >> it's kind of a douchy bird, but yeah.
01:00:09
>> Uh, Jones did know what type of gun they were killed with. Uh, he also knew what
01:00:15
accelerant was used to set the fire. >> See, that's all I need. >> We have evidence there. And the reason
01:00:22
why I think it was the two of them is that I Here's the thing, little insight here. Jeremy Jones, you know, we talked
01:00:29
about this when we covered Bundy a little bit and we talked about it a little bit with the yogurt shop murders.
01:00:33
Jeremy Jones is a serial rapist, okay? He's a serial sex offender in every sense of the word. He's somebody that's
01:00:41
been convicted of such crimes before he started murdering. Sometimes we see with
01:00:46
these serial killers that cannot control themselves because that's the type of monster that they are that they graduate
01:00:53
from mur from rape to murder. And I think that's what we have here with Jeremy Jones. I think that if he were
01:01:00
there, if he were there that night, there is no way he could have walked away from that trailer without abducting
01:01:05
those girls. It that that's the sick individual that he is. That's his addiction more so than methamphetamine,
01:01:13
more so than the drugs and the alcohol. That is his number one drug of choice is
01:01:18
is rape. And I think that that we have a situation where they abducted these girls and they were able to get away
01:01:25
with it because there was two of them and Jeremy Jones fits into the timeline because he was not involved after the
01:01:31
hours of 4:00 a.m. >> Right. And like I said, I mean I when you can tell me what gun they used and
01:01:38
you can tell me what accelerant they used, that's believable. The other thing too
01:01:43
is there's some evidence about cars being in the area that night. Yeah, there there there there were two
01:01:49
vehicles that were spotted near the Freeman home. Again, a remote area. There might not be any reason for cars
01:01:56
to be in that area. >> Two, >> one was a dark uh colored vehicle. Um and it was a very vague description
01:02:05
given it was a dark colored sedan. >> Uh the other vehicle that was spotted between the this was between 5 and 6
01:02:11
a.m. that morning. Um the other vehicle would have been a dark colored truck. Um, it's the way that I've heard this
01:02:19
reported is that these are two separate sightings, which would mean to me that these vehicles weren't seen together.
01:02:27
Um, but what that makes me wonder furthermore is we have this arrest record of Jeremy Jones. What were his
01:02:34
possessions? Was he in a dark colored sedan or or a dark colored truck? >> Um, I know he would have been arrested
01:02:42
at 4:00 a.m. and these sightings were later. Did he have any did he have a large amount of money on him? You know,
01:02:48
these are these are the questions that that I would like to know. The strange thing here though, Captain, is that law
01:02:54
enforcement, they do not report the sightings of these vehicles to the public until like 10 or 11 years after
01:03:01
the crime. They're basically stating, "This is some information that we got right after the crime took place. We
01:03:09
held on to it because they were very vague descriptions of vehicles and now we're going to release this information
01:03:16
because we want to know if anybody saw the same thing or has any idea what if this has anything to do with the crime
01:03:21
at all. >> Well, but I also think that we're seeing law enforcement get a lot smarter and,
01:03:27
you know, giving information to the public earlier now. >> Yeah. And I I think the more they do
01:03:33
that, the more they're willing to say, "Hey, we have this piece of evidence and maybe somebody would know something,
01:03:39
when this case is, you know, hot, when the case is, uh, you know, public the public is
01:03:45
concerned about the case, you're going to get more answers." >> Now, jumping back to the first theory
01:03:51
that we discussed that the that the girls had perpetrated these murders. Um, you know, and I just want to touch on
01:03:58
this because I don't want anybody to to tell us we missed something here, but there were sightings of these girls
01:04:04
after the fact, >> right? >> Um, law enforcement has dismissed most of these sightings for the simple fact
01:04:11
that they were receiving sightings of the girls being in different states on the same day. Um, meaning that Ashley
01:04:18
could have been spotted on one side of the country on Wednesday and she was spotted on the other side of the country
01:04:25
on that same Wednesday, >> right? >> Um, so they, you know, when you when you post these pictures and you send them
01:04:32
out, people tend to see things. Um, maybe that's why they held back the information on these vehicles that they
01:04:38
didn't want to get overloaded with unnecessary tips that might lead them in the wrong direction.
01:04:43
>> Yeah. And and like I said from the beginning, the the minute I saw Ashley's picture, I thought, "Well, that's my
01:04:50
middle school girlfriend. I mean, it looks exactly like her." Um, so I don't know. I think sometimes when
01:04:58
people hear about missing people, they kind of see what they want to see. Well, 16 years after the crime took place, we
01:05:07
have local law enforcement calling for tips. They're asking the public to put in their two cents and tell us what you
01:05:14
saw, tell us what you've heard, tell us what you know. The thing that's disconcerning about this this plea for
01:05:21
help from local law enforcement to me is is the fact that within this request for
01:05:28
information. The district attorney's office states that they are encouraging anyone that has called in tips in the
01:05:35
last 16 years. And if you are wondering if the information has been followed up on, please contact your local law
01:05:42
enforcement. Again, you know, so kind of I think I think they're wondering what tips may have fallen through the cracks
01:05:50
throughout the years. Uh they're letting the public know that they have new people in all of the sheriff's offices,
01:05:57
all of the district attorney's offices. There's new eyes, new minds, new people manning these desks and manning the the
01:06:05
offices. Please submit these tips to these new people in case this stuff fell through the cracks so we can piece this
01:06:12
together. >> Well, and yeah, that's what they're saying. That's the importance >> uh of what they're saying is and that's
01:06:19
what and what makes it so odd is please report whatever you reported 16 years ago again.
01:06:25
>> Yeah. in the conclusion of this story. I mean, we kind of believe Jeremy Jones's
01:06:31
confession and if they can find some more links, maybe there'd be some closure for the family.
01:06:36
>> Mhm. Or if you could get him to turn on Critter or Critter to turn on Jones, uh
01:06:41
would would be another way to go with it. >> I think they're going to have to find
01:06:45
the bodies of the girls at this point to believe any confessions that come out. Um, I think that's the only way that
01:06:52
that you'll you'll be >> and again, like I said, the problem with Jones is, you know, he's a drug addict.
01:06:59
>> So, >> uh, and Ashley Freeman was actually declared legally dead by her family October 18th,
01:07:07
2010. Um, as we had said earlier, the Bible family remains at on the front line of this investigation. Um, Loren
01:07:16
Bible and her husband Jay Bible are really uh the driving force behind the remaining investigation.
01:07:24
>> Yeah. And if you have any tips or any any information uh or just want to help
01:07:29
out, you can check out their Facebook page. Uh it's find Laura Bible and that's Laura L aur
01:07:37
i. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh and I I want to give a quick uh statement that Lorine Bible had
01:07:44
stated. She says that they will never declare Laura legally dead. Um she states that they have come to the
01:07:51
conclusion that Laura was in the wrong place at the wrong time. They still feel that she is still alive, but whether she
01:07:58
is alive or dead, they want to know what happened. >> And our hearts go out to them. Do we
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