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brand [Music] John B Ramsey she was strangled with a cord Little Miss Colorado 6-year-old murder victim John
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Ben Ramsey unknown Intruder her [Applause] brother victory John B Ramsey oh my God they still have not interviewed the
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parents I Didn't Do It John Ramy didn't do it and we didn't have a clue of anybody who did
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do my life has been H from that day forward and I want nothing more and to find out who was responsible for
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this [Music] in 2006 a former school teacher John Mark Carr confessed out of the blue to
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the 1996 strangulation of John Benet and graphic sexual detail on August 17th 2006 Thailand authorities arrested John
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Mark carrr A 42-year-old American teacher he had been living in Thailand on the lamb after facing child
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pornography charges in the US Carr had been emailing a Colorado professor and was making incriminating statements
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about his involvement in John benet's death the boulder District Attorney's Office wanted to charge him with murder
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he was extradited back to the United States and brought to Boulder Colorado to be arraigned for her murder this from
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August 20th 2006 from cnn.com a video titled in car's own words a reporter asked I am with the
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Associated Press can you give us a brief statement Carr replies I I love John Benet and she died accidentally reporter
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asks are you an innocent man Carr says no what happened Carr replies um her dad was an accident so you were in the
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basement car says yes the reporter asked can you tell us about your connection to
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the ramsy family car says no he cannot comment on that how did you or how did you get into the basement again car says
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no comment on that reporter and how how do you feel now how have you been treated car says I've been treated
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okay asked how long had you known John Benet and again he says I have no comment on that here are some other
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statements made by Carr Carr says I was with John Bay when she died now this is not technically a confession but more of
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an admission he did not say I killed John Benet just I was with John Benet when she died another one of Carr's
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interesting statements and this of course is in regards to John Benet he says it's very important for me that
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everyone knows that I love her very much that her death was unintentional that it
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was an accident then the September 4 2006 issue of People magazine claims they have an
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exclusive jailhouse interview with John Mark Carr turns out this was not the case in fact People magazine interviewed
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the Thailand authorities who told them what car said they say that car said the ramies feel their daughter was brutally
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murdered and she wasn't it looks like that but she wasn't I want them to hear the truth I need closure and her family
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needs closure all of us have gone through enough pain then the boulder district attorney
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announced that they were dropping the charges against John Mar Carr and the John Benet Ramsey murder they say it
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turns out DNA on the body at the scene did not match that of Carr's DNA secondly a great defense is always a
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good Alibi it has been reported that the police never interviewed Carr's family prior to his arrest and extradition to
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the United States most people know where they were during the Christmas season Carr's family has always said and always
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maintained their statements that Carr was with them when John Benet was killed but Carr says the DNA might not match
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but you can't trust the test yeah and it's possible and we can get into the DNA later not matching but it seems like
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he's just seeking out attention and that he's a lying [ __ ] princess well he's got a face for
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camera he has a face for radio yeah no I I'm joking I mean he's he's not uh he's
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fugly right he's Less Pleasant to look at than he is to listen to on July 9th I want to get into this real quick here
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because it's going to translate into further discussion that we'll get into on July 9th 2008 Mary Lacy the boulder
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district attorney announced that recently developed touch DNA technology had cleared all members of John Benet
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Ramsay's family of her slang DNA from an unknown male was found on two articles of clothing on John benet's person many
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have argued and I believe very rightfully so why this DNA evidence clears the family if it in fact should
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even clear the family at all being John paty and Burke right this DNA evidence only proves two things that an unknown
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male was possibly present at the crime scene we do not know where the DNA came from and that the DNA does not belong to
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the ramsy family as statement analysis.com put it this evidence does not exonerate the ramsy it does not
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prove they were not present or were not involved or do not know who killed John Benet regardless of all of that the DNA
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found on John Benet did not match Carr's DNA and the murder charges were in fact
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dropped he was sent to California to face child pornography charges I want to stay on this DNA for just a little bit
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longer because one of the reasons why they believe that this DNA shouldn't be tested against anybody that comes
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forward or any suspect is that they don't know if it's a mixture of DNA it they go well it's a single male that's
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what they believe it is but even in the test results it says it could be two to three males like a
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combination not meaning that there's even two or three people involved in her murder just that this DNA is a
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combination of could be a combination of multiple people therefore you'll never get a match when you're comparing
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multiple people's DNA to one person right and I mean it's interesting that that we have the DNA and it was found on
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two articles of clothing on her that were on her person as she lay there in that wine seller which is of Interest I
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don't think it should be ignored I think and I'm going off of expert opinion as well
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and just really agreeing with them where several experts have stated that they don't find this type of DNA evidence to
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be of any value when it comes to eliminating a suspect or or trying to convict a suspect right that it's simply
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for now until we can prove otherwise it's simply for now DNA that we we can't identify that is believed to come from a
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man doesn't seem to match any of the Ramsay but we don't know how it got there or
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how long it was there yeah and it's hard for me to believe that with such a vicious attack there would be no DNA
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left at the scene at all but again I think everybody involved in this case or anybody that has researched this case
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can start off with the idea that the crime scene is heavily contaminated and I actually don't want to fault I don't
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want to fault law enforcement too much for that because I I do believe they went into this situation going it's a
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kidnapping and yes what they should have done is stop everything and go let's make sure that this is actually a
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kidnapping and there's no child in this house but they missed that step and that
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caused a blunder of other things to go wrong because of the date it happened on I think it's reasonable to see why
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they missed that step I look I somewhat agree with you I but disagree in a sense
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that I don't think that anybody in the public should feel any less safe on December 26th than they would any other
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time of year any other date that agree that's on the calendar and and you're right in in a way that because it's been
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by Boulder Colorado's own detectives and police that state this couldn't have happened on a worst
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day this is the day that it's toughest for us to get a full staff to get the most people working it's just a it's a
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bad day scheduling wise no right but turns out it's a great day to commit a murder right but what I mean by that is
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that maybe that these officers would miss a step one because it's right after a holiday but two because they just
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spent time with their friends and family and so when you hear oh we have a kidnapping like I said it could just be
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as simple as well we're going to believe the parents right away when maybe they won it if it was 3 weeks later yeah I
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also think that my wishes truly are that Boulder Police Department that they would have treated it as a kidnapping as
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soon as they were notified of a kidnapping and that does not appear to have taken place to me right let's talk
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about Linda Hoffman Pew she worked for the Ramsay she was their housekeeper this is one thing that separates her
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from many of the other people that we've already discussed she had a key to to the home she had a key to the Ramsay's
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house her husband mvin worked with Linda and for the Ramsay on a few occasions on
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the evening of 1227 1996 this is the day after all of the the mess that we just kind of touched upon at the the Ramsey
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home in the investigation police showed up at the pews home and they wanted her to write the number
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118,000 on a piece of paper and reportedly took her fingerprints and several strands of
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her hair at that time as well Linda confirmed the police's suspicions of John Benet possibly having a bed wedding
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problem there are several Publications that say Linda accuses paty Ramsey of killing John Benet and it appears that
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she did I believe this may just have been in retaliation especially after learning learning that the ramsy put
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Linda and her husband on a list of people they would consider to be suspects and then some extended family
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pointed to them as well the extended Ramsey family member told police Linda had asked paty for a loan many
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Publications out there stated that the Ramsay refused to help her out and Linda's family was struggling and
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desperately needed the money this sounds very ominous and certainly presents a cloud of Suspicion but let's clear a
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bunch of things up here Linda did in fact ask py for a loan the loan amount was for
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$2,000 and paty and John they agreed to help her out they gave her the money and
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the agreement was that they would take $200 out of each of her paychecks until the loan was paid back yeah that makes
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sense also it wasn't like Linda was super desperate for money yes her and her husband struggled at times
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but she had a good job working for the Ramsay and mvin was even able to pick up some work because of her job as well the
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loan was for car repairs and dental work these both being emergency situations that can be expensive that spring up
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without notice we have all experienced this right let's keep in mind too even more so than the Ramsay the police were
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considering everyone with a key to the home to be a suspect at that time in the investigation did you see some of the
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reports that speculate that there was as many as 20 keys not not accounted for I've seen multiple numbers reported over
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the years one thing that is pointed out by the detectives that were working the case was the when they first started off
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investigating the murder as soon as they knew it was a murder they wanted to know
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who had keys and how many were out there there and that number that was provided
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to them by the ramsy was much much different than what their investigation would lead them to to
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find now Linda was someone who had a key to the home as we stated and regardless
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of what some of these Publications say that are out there Linda when first questioned by police never suggested
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that paty or John were guilty of anything other than loving their children she even stated that she
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worried about the beautiful little girl meaning John Benet who was allowed to ride her bike unsupervised and said
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someone must have seen her and attempted to take the little girl this statement obviously pointing toward an unknown
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Intruder rather than the Ramsay mvin however told police that the few times he was in the home he found the home to
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be very difficult to navigate saying if you just turned around you'd get lost this statement pointing toward an
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Insider if it was an intruder of course Hoffman Pew does not even fit the profile the police were working with
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which was white male former convict 25 to 30 years old Hoffman Pew was 57 at the time and her husband was about the
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same age years later she did testify in front of a grand jury for a total of eight hours including a statement
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against py that read quote I think she had multiple personalities she'd be in a good mood and then should be cranky she
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got into arguments with John Benet the Linda Hoffman Pew Theory as it goes says the housekeeper led a trusting John B
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down into the basement that night an attempt to trick her employers into leaving money for her Ransom it is
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possible that she could have seen John Ramsay's pay stub for $18,000 as a bonus familiar with both
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the home and the family's schedule Hoffman Pew makes a convenient suspect and without a solid Alibi she says she
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was asleep in bed while her husband allegedly slept on the couch she has however never been formally accused of
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this crime and there's really no evidence pointing to her just speculation by mainly a lot of it coming
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from paty's mother now we've spent the last episode and portion of this episode discussing some of the people we believe
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should be in the conversation of suspects there there nobody in there that we are specifically saying should
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be a suspect just when you want to look at people that you might want to look into with the investigation these would
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all be people that the captain and I would take a look at there are a few people that we haven't discussed yet and
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that would be some true insiders in this case the three ramsy family members that
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were inside the home obviously we cannot discuss every person that's ever been thought to be a suspect by whomever out
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there yeah I mean we we thought about after the second episode just going screw it let's do a 100 episodes on this
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case but then we decided against that well just the suspects alone would be extremely exhausting one to report and
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two to listen to as well because the Ramsay John and pany Supply Boulder police with a list of suspects the list
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that they gave to police now it grew as the investigation went on right but the latest report that I heard was that that
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number was at 168 that the ramsy gave the police department 168 people to look at and
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obviously their names were not included on this list so right but if your child was murdered and you weren't involved at
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some point you would start just naming everybody you knew just to have them look at anybody because they're not at
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this point you don't know who they've looked at what leads they have or where they're going how close
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they are so at some point you're you start becoming desperate I get that and that's that just like everything else in
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this case is where you can take one bit of information and you could use it to argue for or against the Rams yeah so
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where every one of us would expect innocent people to supply a very lengthy list in a desperation to find Justice
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for their daughter the flip side of that is the suspicion of going well they have
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something to hide so they're providing police with this very extensive list giving them all these errands and chores
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to do to really steer the direction of the investigation away from themselves to further compound that a bit we do
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have statements by pany ramsy who says at some point in the investigation she was suspicious of uh saying that she
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believed the killer could have been a Colorado University student well that adds several thousands
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more people to the list of suspects so it's really one of those tricky things the other thing that I
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found interesting about this and this is actually a real I think this is a very possibly legit answer we do know
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that the ramies did provide a suspect list that's not in question that absolutely happened what I believe is in
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question is the number of people that the Ramsay put on that list right because that number has been reported
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all over the shop it's a pretty high number I'll say that but I found this statement to be it's really a response
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that John Ramsey had it either shows his level of intelligence or his level of innocence or possibly his level of he
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thinks he might be set up being wrongfully accused of something and it was this one of his friends contacted
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him their conversation was Ramsey wanted to know well why did you say you said some things about me that I didn't
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really like right and his his friend or acquaintance I don't know the the strength of their
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relationship and the the statements themselves they they weren't even really a big deal in my opinion but the friend
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says to John well I only said that stuff because uh or I only said that you should be a suspect because police came
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to me and told me that you told them that I should be a suspect right and John Ramsay's response to that was look
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I didn't say you should be a suspect they're just telling you and telling everybody else out there in our our
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circle of friends and co-workers that we have said everybody else is a suspect they're they're trying to stir
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the pot is what John Ramsay's basically saying they're trying to stir the pot so
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that you will give them stuff about us you will give them dirt on us so it's really one of those really
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difficult things to kind of sift through who is right who is wrong and what this
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particular thing could mean I in the beginning of of this investigation thought that that number of
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168 people named as suspects by the Ramsay was a crazy number and it pointed to something that they might be trying
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to hide right as I go through it I question that action less and less and less one thing we do need to talk about
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too which added suspicion in the Public's eye to the Rams and I believe it added suspicion in the eyes of law
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enforcement as well working the case is what has always been referred to as the Ramsay hiding behind a wall of lawyers
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and some people have even gone as far to call this wall of lawyers team ramsy the one of the attorneys hired by
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the ramies was this is from an old case and it's from representation to a person
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named Lee Lindsay her husband was shot to death inside their home now Lee Lindsay was found innocent John hired
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that same defense attorney to represent him it's an interesting strategy again it's just another one of those things
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that you could argue either side this points to him having something to hide this points to him just wanting good
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representation so he doesn't get wrongfully accused John and paty had different attorneys and Burke had his
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own attorney as well now we should point out they're all paid for by John Ramsey
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but they're all receiving separate representation some people point to that as being very strange as something very
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weird I really to me Captain my opinion on that I could go either way on it I I would I would really want somebody with
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a strong opinion on it to to offer up their opinion to me as to why I should feel one way or the other about it I
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don't really think that it points to anything I think again initially it pointed to me that well
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if let's pretend I'm the husband and and there's a what does that make mean pany
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when you're not involved in this okay if I'm the husband in a situation where my
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my child has been killed and the police are now looking at me and my wife as potential suspects what you know they're
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going to what if I'm in a situation where I know I'm innocent but I don't fully know
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if my spouse is innocent right right well then it would make very much sense if I hired an attorney for me and if I
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had if I were a man of money then I would probably hire one for her as well but we would be represented by two
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different people because my interest and her interest in this investigation are not the same and
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therefore we need different representation yeah it'd be awesome if you're a man of money cuz we could turn
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on the heat in the garage now the flip side of that is what if I know that innocent and I know my wife to be
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innocent as well MH I know that a very common police tactic and detective tactic would be for them to separate us
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and question us at the same time in separate areas in separate locations thus making it
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impossible for the attorney representing both of us to physically represent both
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of us during that situation right you see how this pendulum swings back and forth it's it's aggravating
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it's interesting it's truly a fascinating case but with a lot with a lot of unanswered questions right but I
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view it from the standpoint of what John Ramsay says the day of the crime he talks to police officers the day of the
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crime they have Burke talk to investigator without anybody present they also send Burke to their friend's
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house where he could have said God knows what if if he was responsible for this or if he knew what happened what John
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Ramsey says is that they're willing to cooperate they had some suspicion from their friends saying you probably should
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get a lawyer to help you through all this but when the police would not give back her body so they could have the
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burial that's when John said that was the line drawn in the sand and you don't want to give our dead child back so we
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can bury her until you have have a sit down sit down conversation with both him and paty and I think at that point he
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realized um this was kind of war and I think he was I don't even think it was whether it
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was right or wrong I think it was just like I think he felt that it was very disrespectful and from then on I'm not
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now where we're really only left with about three people left to discuss and these would be the complete total
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insiders in this whole entire case the three Ramsay family members that were inside the home the night that John
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Benet was killed we mentioned yesterday the experts or several people that stated that they believe in an intruder
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theory is the best theory for this case regarding The Insider Theory we have CBS
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Robert wrestler Greg mcquery Dr Cel wet and Steve Thomas two retired FBI agents that is the flip side of the coin of
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John Douglas I guess and we have sirel W who is an expert in forensics as well as
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Steve Thomas who would be the flip side of the coin for L Smith Lou Smith was brought in to work this invest tigation
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for the prosecutors for the team of prosecutors Steve Thomas was a member of the Boulder Police Department and was a
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detective at the time and he was one of the lead investigators on the Ramsey investigation the strange thing being
00:31:15
here is that these two investigators worked on the same team at the same time of the same investigation and had two
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completely different opinions on what happened what took Place who was responsible for the murder and both of
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them believed so strongly in their theory that the evidence that they could see backed up what they suspected so
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much so that both of them eventually resigned from working the case at all and that's pretty strong commitment to
00:31:48
your theory yeah 100% we have stated that some people were eliminated whatever words you want to use in
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regards to very things that are very specific like handwriting possibly DNA aliis
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aliis the only true people that in my that I'm willing to go along with and agree with that have been officially
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cleared in this case were cleared very early on in the investigation and there were only four of them and that would be
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John Andrew and Melinda Ramsay John's two older children right as well as Fleet and Priscilla white those four
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have been officially cleared and I agree with all four of those statements this being basically that it
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was proven to be physically impossible for any of these four people to be involved because they have an ironclad
00:32:49
Alibi the two older children were not even in the state of Colorado they would need to either own a private jet or a
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time machine machine to or teleport yeah have possibly been able to commit this crime and it appears the same way with
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Fleet and Priscilla white as well based off of they had a bunch of guests at their home overnight and there's just
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multiple people stating that until the we hours of the morning they're both accounted for it's not like one of these
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statements like oh we went to bed at 8:00 and I didn't get up and do anything till the next morning no they were up
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hanging out with these people until until the we hours of the morning they were pulling what I call a crispy
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Colonel so this leaves us with three of the more popular suspects in this case and you know I remember when I was a
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child and this case was in the news that there were people screaming at the top of their lungs the parents did it the
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parents did it and then years later a popular Theory came out that maybe the brother did it either way for somebody
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in the home to have killed John Benet without question there has to be a cover up and then you have to go to the
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extent of how many people do you believe were to be involved in that coverup and
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why the the need for the cover up in the first place John Ramsay was a popular suspect early on and this would be based
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off of the salacious photos that came out of this young six-year-old blonde in these beauty pageants wearing clothing
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and outfits that people didn't think were appropriate and you carry that out a little further people wondered well
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could she have been sexually abused was there abuse going on in inside the home and could John Ramsey be guilty of such
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abuse the other thought here is we have paty Ramsey the paty Ramsey Theory to me
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is is I think I was going to say interesting but I don't think that's the right word I
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think it's complicated is is the better word and I say that because in regards to py having killed John Benet and then
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covered it up it seems like there could be many motivating factors for py right where
00:35:10
with John it it seems pretty cut and dried that it's just I that he must have been abusing her sexually and it led to
00:35:18
this and then it was covered up well it seems like we have evidence that points against the idea that she was abused
00:35:26
long term and the the where the place where this Theory then splits is you could go okay well
00:35:33
did py help him cover covered up or was she aware of other things going on or not right with the paty theory it's it's
00:35:44
a number of things it could be that John B W the bed and there was an attack an impulsive attack that took place and
00:35:52
then it was covered up later or she was in some weird weird way jealous that her
00:35:58
daughter is being molested by her husband and flew into some kind of Rage yeah or it's possible that she was
00:36:06
molesting her daughter herself she was molesting the daughter one interesting Theory too is that Jon's molesting the
00:36:14
daughter in in some type of what was meant to be a heroic act to come in and and attack this man attack her husband
00:36:24
who's violating her daughter that in some freak accident she accidentally struck John Benet in the
00:36:32
head instead and then they worked together to cover it up the theories are as bizarre as you can imagine and then
00:36:40
there's others that that make some sense now mind you you need the evidence to back them up yes and this is where it
00:36:49
might even get more complex but I believe based on the autopsy that it shows that John Benet was not being
00:36:59
molested for years so to me that rules out pany molesting John B or John molesting John B I also would find it
00:37:10
very strange uh to have a situation where we have molestation of a child of your own child
00:37:20
in a house that there is no pornography at all found or any claims all by any friends they had a lot of close
00:37:29
friends no claims whatsoever about child abuse so to me I think you can take that off the
00:37:39
table I certainly don't lean that way that that was the situation that that was what was going on long
00:37:48
term and I back that up by saying look this John was not a firsttime father okay he had other other children that
00:37:57
have nothing but good things to say about him usually with an offender that would would reoffend on the same victim
00:38:05
over and over again it's not uncommon that they just victimize one child right but it's more common that they victimize
00:38:13
more than one of the children so I don't lean that way and it also appears that out of
00:38:19
the this was a a young girl that was very well cared for in the sense that she had 27 doctor's visits in the course
00:38:28
of 3 years now some people call that into suspicion I'm fine with that it's suspicious to me too but what's not
00:38:35
suspicious is a lot of times when there is some form of physical abuse or sexual
00:38:40
abuse you're not running to the doctor for every little thing that comes up because sometimes a doctor can detect
00:38:47
these things or can question marks on a child the things with with John Benet and and her body and and the examines
00:38:57
the examinations of her body and these doctor visits I don't think that we can 100% rule out the
00:39:06
possibility of some type of sexual abuse it just doesn't seem like anybody people
00:39:14
that have firsthand knowledge of all these situations and of John Benet it doesn't seem that anybody leans that
00:39:21
direction right these are these are things that could be explained Away by sexual abuse but also could be explained
00:39:27
away a million other ways and have been irritations due to wetting the bed wetting yourself irritations to bubble
00:39:36
bath right you know any number of different things going on here so yeah I'm with you Captain I don't see a
00:39:43
situation where we have long-term sexual abuse now that doesn't mean that sexual
00:39:48
abuse cannot be the motivating factor for what happened here it very well could be that this was the very first
00:39:55
time that this ever took place and it went it ended in Murder right I think if you believe that then you have to
00:40:03
believe the evidence of the autopsy and that means that there would have been something that happened on the 23rd so
00:40:11
again like you said it's new developing um sexual molestation but by Apparent I just I just don't see it
00:40:23
there I just think there's such a lack of evidence of that and I think it makes maybe a little more sense with the idea
00:40:31
of that this bed wedding becomes a issue and the person that's dealing with it constantly is
00:40:39
paty and so something happened there but again it it's strange to me it's just it's this is so complicated
00:40:53
because you have to start picking what happened first and I don't believe a hit or the fracture of the skull happened
00:41:03
first so if that did happen first and somebody could prove to me that happened first then I'd go well yeah paty got a
00:41:12
little upset and and pushed her and she hit her head or she accidentally hit hit
00:41:18
John B on top of the head with something and then use this gr to cover it up but
00:41:24
I just don't see that to be the case in regards can you can you clear up what you mean by something occurring on
00:41:34
the 23rd well because the because the examiner claims that the the day that she was murdered there's evidence that
00:41:45
there's digital molestation right and that but there's also evidence that it would have happened and when we use the
00:41:54
word chronic he was stating that it probably happened on the 22nd or the 23rd so there was evidence of some kind
00:42:04
of molestation on the day she was murdered and then on the 22nd and the 23rd so meaning if it was somebody on
00:42:13
the inside it could have been the second time that such an act took place yeah I'm just I'm taking that off the table
00:42:20
because to me it doesn't there's no evidence that points and I just there's no evidence that points that
00:42:29
John R Ramsey was doing that there's no evidence that points that paty Ramsey was doing that no I agree with you too
00:42:36
I'm not willing to take it off the table because it sounds like the medical examiner says that something took place
00:42:43
right and look she's in the company of her family more than anybody else she's a
00:42:49
six-year-old child mhm so I won't take it off the table when there's still there's still reason to leave it on on
00:42:56
the table I think the the difficulty with this case as you were the road you were starting to go down
00:43:06
there is one it's it's a it's a general misconception in this case that the belief that she was struck
00:43:14
on the head and then strangled with this Gat and the whole strangulation of the Gat was an act to cover up an accidental
00:43:25
hit to the head of strike to the head which of course duh anybody could make a case for that to have been py Burke John
00:43:35
what have you the problem being is it seems that all the experts seem to agree that the strangulation came first
00:43:46
and the strike on the head occurred either at the same time or shortly after so what that says to me is that
00:43:55
the the use of this garat of this strangulation of whatever was happening before John B was struck on the
00:44:04
head you it can't be a cover up in the sense that the Gat was not used as a cover up
00:44:10
the strangulation was not used as a cover up this occurred before the strike on the head right and there's multiple
00:44:18
things to point us to this one she has defensive wounds meaning that John Benet when she was being struck wrangled with
00:44:27
this Gat she tried to pull it off her neck and there's indents all over her neck fingernail
00:44:36
indents to show that she was conscious when she was being choked and she tried to stop it if she was hit on the head
00:44:45
that blow to the head that caused that massive fracture would have left her probably brain
00:44:53
dead she would have had severe brain swelling she would have had severe brain bleed so she wouldn't be able to be
00:45:05
conscious to stop this attack now is it possible that she was strangled for a while hit on the head
00:45:13
and then strangled again that's very possible but this idea that she was hit on the head first it's just it makes
00:45:23
zero sense and I always believed the CBS reports when I watched the first CBS documentary I went well there you
00:45:34
go that that seems like it makes a lot of sense and you have these paid investigators and these forensic experts
00:45:46
sitting on this board going yeah this probably what happen or something to that this
00:45:53
effect you have to believe again the idea that John B comes up and takes some pineapple away from her brother and then
00:46:07
he turns around and hits her on the head with some kind of object maybe the flashlight that's what they said in the
00:46:13
CBS report I think you said you don't think a 9-year-old would be strong enough to
00:46:19
do that blow I lean towards your expertise on that but it's also you can't see the
00:46:29
fracture you can see the fracture after the autopsy that's because to put it bluntly they removed the skin right you
00:46:38
can't see there was no laceration there was no open head wound she's not bleeding all over the place the the
00:46:44
medical examiner the pathologist Dr Meyers He was unaware of the Blow To The Head until till well into the
00:46:53
examination of the body going off of sight scene of what he sees at the at the uh crime scene and what he
00:47:01
sees on the body of the victim he's immediately going oh this was strangulation pretty obvious the Rope
00:47:09
still around her neck sorry right but it wasn't until further examination did he
00:47:15
discover this strike to the head and I'm look there have been experts out there again I'm no expert but you're expert in
00:47:25
the garage there have been experts out there that said yes a 99-year-old could do could carry out this type of violent
00:47:35
strike to the head of a small child and cause this amount of damage I'm sorry man I've seen the the the pictures and
00:47:44
unfortunately had to stare at them long enough I refuse to believe that I I simply it it look at the pictures let's
00:47:54
go down this road for a second because let's just say he was able to do that blow and let's just say that you can say
00:48:03
paty saw him hit her or didn't see Burke hit her at some point she comes up upon her
00:48:13
lifeless body but guess what she's still breathing she is still breathing so maybe some time passes but
00:48:24
you're going to tell me this mother that loves her daughter isn't just going to call the ambulance
00:48:31
because guess what we have evidence of what happens when Burke hits his sister in the in the face with a golf
00:48:40
club he gets in trouble they take her to the emergency room you think she comes upon her
00:48:50
lifeless child's body but guess what the child is breathing so you you want to tell me me that she's not going to just
00:48:56
call 911 and say hey we we need help we need an ambulance because she would have no clue
00:49:06
she is not a medical examiner she's not a doctor she's not a nurse she has no clue
00:49:13
you're I would assume that most people most adults that came across a six-year-old that was unconscious and
00:49:22
there was no evidence of her where she was hit that they wouldn't call 911 to try to
00:49:30
save their daughter's life so people want you to think that she just automatically assumed that she was dead
00:49:37
decided to make a gat and start choking her violently not like halfhazard violently and choke her so much that the
00:49:52
rope moves places but then somehow during all this John Benet comes to and then defends the
00:50:03
choking and once her child comes to she goes oh well it's too late for you we're
00:50:08
just covering this up for Burke we got to save Burke and then she continues to choke and then we're got to Stage some
00:50:18
molestation but again the evidence points that not only did it happen that day but it probably happened a couple
00:50:25
days before so did you stage that too and then we got to start staging all these
00:50:31
other things now we got to write this Ransom note it just doesn't make a lot of sense
00:50:38
and regardless if it makes sense or not the science doesn't back any of that up what the science backs up is that she
00:50:44
was strangled and then struck in the head in that exact order right and what what backs that up is
00:50:53
the what the science shows is a slowing of the blood moving to the brain at that
00:50:59
time right that's one piece of evidence meaning that she was either in the act of dying when she was struck on the head
00:51:07
or very you know she's in the act of dying or very close to death right something is causing blood to be slowed
00:51:16
or stop going to the brain and then she's struck in the head what stopped that was the strangulation that was
00:51:22
going on with the Gat yeah at the time that she was struck on the head so you're not using the Gat to
00:51:29
cover up being struck in the head you're not using sexual abuse to cover up the strike to the Head what you have here is
00:51:37
a situation where unfortunately we have sexual assault and a a very vicious sexual act of cutting off the
00:51:48
air to the to to a six-year-old to a six-year-old and then during the commission of doing all that there is a
00:51:56
strike to the Head whether the offender struck her on the head because he believed she was dead and wanted to make
00:52:02
sure or wanted to strike her on the head to cover up and confuse what was going on at the scene we can't say we can't
00:52:10
say that but what we can say based off of the science is that the act of strangulation was taking place before
00:52:16
the strike to the Head occurred so just to try to work somebody off of our list if you're going to believe that
00:52:25
possibly did this then you have to reconcile the fact that she was being choked before being struck on the hat
00:52:34
you have to take it a step further and say well he was he built this fancy garat and he was choking her and then he
00:52:39
smack her over the head and and look it makes for a good story but I don't see the evidence to suggest that that's what
00:52:47
in fact occurred what I do see evidence of is a the the problem with the people in the house is
00:52:56
we have John who could be guilty we have py who could be guilty and then we could
00:53:00
have all three that Were Somehow in on it together one thing that I believe you can absolutely cross off your list and
00:53:07
take off the table is that Burke did all of this by himself right take that one off because he's 9 years old he didn't
00:53:14
write that letter he didn't write that Ransom letter he didn't construct that Gat I don't know why a 9-year-old would
00:53:23
be into this type of sex ual assault that I believe to be taking place in that basement right or how they would
00:53:30
even know about that at all and then you would have to convince me that he's strong enough to inflict that severe
00:53:38
severe Blow To The Head and he also has to write the note by himself right so there and and
00:53:46
yeah and he has to tie the sophisticated knots I just don't see that being a possibility and again maybe a heavy
00:53:56
enough object maybe you can create the fracture I'd be more interested to see if a 9-year-old
00:54:03
could inflict the damage around the neck with the gr because you'd have to be pulling
00:54:11
pretty pretty hard so I I just don't see it here's my thing though is I've been thinking about
00:54:18
this a lot why did I watch the CBS report and why did I believe that and some of it is because they just omit
00:54:28
certain pieces of evidence which come on shame on you right you have some uh agenda you have some point you're trying
00:54:39
to make so you just leave out all the pieces of evidence so therefore your point makes the most sense but I started
00:54:49
thinking well well why does you know looking at the evidence that we've done for the the last few
00:54:56
months why did America why it seems like almost all of America was fooled by this
00:55:02
but I think it's cuz it's easier it's easier to think that this was an accident it's
00:55:11
easier to think that a 6-year-old was accidentally hit on the head by her brother the parents did not know what to
00:55:18
do they were scared that they're going to lose their son and then they did these horrible things but on some level
00:55:26
on a very small percentage we all can just justify their actions because they didn't want to lose
00:55:35
their son because maybe there was something wrong with their son we've only seen one interview with him which is a
00:55:44
very odd interview as he has grown up I think that those are nervous reactions when he talks to Dr Phil but I think
00:55:53
when you see him as a child child there's some strangeness in those interviews too but look it's a 9-year-old kid being
00:56:03
interrogated or being questioned after his little sister was murdered but I think it's easier to come
00:56:12
to that conclusion it's easier to think that than to think somebody took the time to make a device
00:56:24
to put around a six-year-old's neck and to pull it so tight that her brain was losing blood and
00:56:34
oxygen and was either molesting her or molesting themselves why they choked the life out of this little girl
00:56:44
and they either got so excited that they decided to smash her on the head splitting her skull pretty
00:56:54
much in half half or like I have theorized that maybe after she was dead that when they were trying to carry
00:57:04
her out on some level they ended up dropping her and then they panicked and they left
00:57:12
but I think it's you see what I'm saying where I feel it's almost it's harder to imagine the
00:57:20
latter it's also very difficult to imagine that the parents did this it's almost easier then in a sense
00:57:28
too that an intruder should be guilty of such a terrible act and such a terrible
00:57:33
attack on a child yeah this is a very unpopular opinion but I lean toward the Intruder
00:57:44
Theory as one that I feel to be more likely I'm not willing to rule other possibilities
00:57:53
out what it's just with the with the Damage Done the physical damage done to the
00:58:00
victim what I see here is something that is beyond probably the capabilities of the
00:58:09
ramies and I know that it happens all the time in America and other countries as well right where a parent does
00:58:19
something horrible unspeakable acts to their own child I understand it I get it but at the end of the day when I can't
00:58:29
make what I believe to be an educated decision because the evidence is so messy then I have to go with my gut and
00:58:40
what my gut tells me is that from the pictures that I've seen of the Damage Done I feel like this this had to be an
00:58:50
intruder and I I will take that a step further by stating the the garat itself the construction of the garat the
00:58:58
construction of those knots that too appears to me to point toward a certain level of
00:59:06
sophistication meaning somebody that has fashioned one of these devices before right and if the ramies are simply
00:59:14
trying to cover something up they've had they've never had a reason to construct
00:59:19
one before well all the items that made the gar made the ransom letter all everything came from inside the house
00:59:27
Nick well that's not in fact entirely true there were items inside the home that cannot be ruled out as having
00:59:35
caused the damage that was made by the blow to the head right but we don't have any proof that there was an item inside
00:59:43
the home that did in fact make that wound that made that strike to the Head Right plus you got a scene that's very
00:59:51
contaminated Plus on top of that just look at the pictures we're talking about a to me extremely
00:59:58
messy house which I would think would make investigating a crime scene way harder
01:00:06
so how does this all work out if in fact it was an intruder in my mind this is how it plays out again I'm not willing
01:00:14
to say this is 100% I'm not willing to not say that there are other possibilities this is at the end of the
01:00:22
day I put 51% of my eggs in this basket if this is how the Intruder Theory goes down this is how it works
01:00:31
and makes sense for me yeah that she was targeted somebody broke into the home with the intention of abducting this
01:00:41
child for the purpose of sexual assault they may have broke into the home before or after the family came
01:00:50
home I don't know it seems to point to me more likely that they may have entered entered the home while the
01:00:56
ramies were gone right during this time they brought with them a letter that they
01:01:04
copied using stuff that they found in the home using the felt pen we know that occurred using Psy's notepad we know
01:01:12
that occurred yeah and writing it why they have gloves on so we don't leave any DNA or fingerprints the difficulty
01:01:20
with the letter itself is we have Burke didn't write it according to the analyst
01:01:26
johnan write it and then they put paty at the low end of the spectrum for possibly writing
01:01:33
it I know I'm reminding myself that we said earlier it would be irresponsible to eliminate anybody based off of
01:01:40
handwriting analysis the thing here though Captain is what would be the purpose of a ransom
01:01:48
letter I also stated and I believe you backed me up on this that the letter itself is a farce what I meant by that
01:01:57
is that there was no there was never any belief by the the author of that letter
01:02:04
or desire to actually collect any money from the family right the letter itself was simply a giant speed bump to
01:02:14
persuade the family not to contact the police and give this sick individual more time with the
01:02:23
victim Nick that never happens why would why would they add to the added risk of
01:02:28
of putting themselves out there like that just to buy some more time well I can point to one situation where in fact
01:02:37
did happen Amy mahalic was abducted from the shopping plaza and allowed to call her mother at work after
01:02:46
being in the presence of the abductor yeah simply for the reason of delaying the
01:02:55
mother being aware that there was something wrong and guess what if the ramies would have followed the
01:03:01
instructions on that Ransom letter they wouldn't have contacted the police but they
01:03:09
did one thing that I find weird about the note we never discussed this uh the other day here Captain but one thing
01:03:16
that I found extremely strange with inside the note itself was how the author speaks an absolute loots
01:03:25
all the way up to one point and then leaves the window open for a little bit of possibility a little bit of
01:03:32
opportunity to foil the abductor plan where the author says if you do this she dies if you do
01:03:41
this she dies if you don't cooperate with us you run the risk of her being beheaded and then we will deny you her
01:03:48
body all these absolutes she dies beheaded denied the body right but then later it
01:03:57
states if you try to outsmart us you stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter right if you follow our
01:04:06
instructions you stand a 100% chance of getting your daughter back again an absolute but then that
01:04:13
99% I I that's what's been keeping me up at night why would the author leave that
01:04:18
one percentage chance that the Ramsay could foil the plan and and I think that's because the
01:04:26
author really wanted them to believe that the author was in control and they if they followed their
01:04:35
Instructions Not only would would they get their daughter back but at the very least if they didn't contact the police
01:04:41
there was still a 1% chance that the ramsy could outsmart the attacker I think what
01:04:48
occurred really man was that the the note was constructed to buy more time who knows how long this indiv idual
01:04:54
intended to keep right but right but you believe the note was it was authentic in a sense that the
01:05:02
author wanted the ramies to believe it but it happened before he actually yes because if he killed John
01:05:10
Benet he would have never wrote the note to begin with right the note gets a ransom note gets the FBI involved which
01:05:18
I think is another thing which not everybody knows that but it's like if the family was trying to cover up a
01:05:25
murder and you then put a ransom note into play now you have the FBI involved and I wish the FBI was involved from the
01:05:36
beginning because if they would have been I think this case would be solved by now yeah if they wouldn't have
01:05:42
located her body in the basement that quickly if that would have gone 24 hours the FBI would have taken over this case
01:05:51
in this investigation regardless of finding her body later the interesting thing here though Captain I think where
01:05:57
this whole thing gets messy it's a complicated case because there are all these things that you have to explain
01:06:03
and you have to explain them and they're not easily explained away because there
01:06:08
are things that point to the letter being constructed not only in the home but by maybe somebody that lived
01:06:14
there nothing is easily explained away because the crime didn't go and it wasn't carried out in the manner that it
01:06:23
was intended to had he been able to remove her from the home right alive I want to that's how my
01:06:33
theory goes this would have looked and taken on a whole different appearance it would have taken on a whole different
01:06:40
investigation something happened where he realized or determined in the moment that he couldn't get her out of the
01:06:49
house I don't know what that is but whatever it is I'm backing up that the motivating factor for this
01:06:57
abduction which I believe is what was the intention here was sexual assault was because this individual had already
01:07:04
taken the risk to get what they wanted and when they could not get her out of the house they assaulted her inside the
01:07:12
home struck her over the head to make sure that she was dead and then left or possibly got spooked and I but I believe
01:07:22
that this person knew the house well they knew that by if you can get her down to the basement you're now putting
01:07:30
two floors between you and her and her parents now do you think this case is solvable I was actually listening to
01:07:40
somebody on the way here to the garage that was you know an expert in my opinion a very good expert
01:07:48
that was saying they believe the case is still has the potential to be solved based off off of forensic
01:07:56
evidence personally I don't feel very good about this case ever being solved and the problem with that is that's
01:08:04
without that's with the exception of having a somebody come forward saying I did this this is how I did it and then
01:08:12
they can pull some evidence together and go yep we can back up this individual story because of this this and this
01:08:18
right where I think this case lends itself to be unsolvable let's say is in a court of law if you make an
01:08:29
arrest and somebody isn't willing to confess to the murder I think it's going to be very difficult to convict based
01:08:36
off of public opinion you could move this case you know some cases they do a change of venue because the either the
01:08:43
perpetrator doesn't stand a chance or there's problems with the case whatever right you can move this case to Mars and
01:08:51
it's it's still a mess it's still convoluted mess there are people out there that feel so strongly about their
01:08:58
opinion and that's why that's why part of me only is willing to go 51% in on this Intruder theory on my thoughts on
01:09:06
the case because I understand why so many people are are firm in their beliefs and
01:09:13
in their opinions of this case because just like you pointed out earlier you watch CBS and you go yep I think they
01:09:21
nailed it now I know what to believe right you watch the A&E thing same thing but it's a it's a different answer it's
01:09:28
a different response you read Steve Thomas's book you absolutely believe paty did it you know it it's really
01:09:36
comes from whoever you get your information from and I actually don't believe that anybody is out there trying
01:09:43
to skew this in any way that's malicious or that's trying to deceive the audience
01:09:51
right I think that there there is evidence that you could arue AR either way and if you choose to argue it all
01:09:57
one way it makes a good case for whatever your opinion or your theory is on the case well and Henry Lee said that
01:10:05
he didn't he say that he believes that this is not just a DNA solvable case well I believe what his statement was
01:10:13
that he believes that the DNA is of no value to eliminate somebody as a suspect or to convict them in a court of law one
01:10:24
so one I think they need to try to come to some kind of understanding and some conclusion with
01:10:32
the DNA to figure out is it a single male is there a mixture I know that they were talking about doing tests back in
01:10:42
uh 2016 and 2017 I have not I could not find any new results of those because if we do know
01:10:51
because what they could do is they could test that mixture with female DNA and if
01:10:58
they have any trace of female DNA that pops in then they would more likely it's a mixture and now we got to go back to
01:11:06
the drawing boards but I think they need to figure that out for one but all all accounts state that it's male DNA it was
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taken from a um right but it's not clear if it's two or three or just one yeah that I don't don't know I do know that
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it was taken from a um a dual blood sample if you want to call it that I don't know if that's the best way to
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describe it right but what that tells me is that they're taking this fluid and they're finding DNA in the fluid and if
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they're saying that it's coming from a dual sample then they've already been able to identify what that other where
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that other sample is coming from right meaning it came the most obvious answer is the other DNA comes from John Benet
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right and so if they're able to make that conclusion then I don't think they can rule out 100% that it's
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not U you know more than one DNA but it sounds to me what they are able to conclude is what they're looking at they
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believe 100% to be male unknown male or unidentified male DNA I think what Lee what Henry Henry Lee and several other
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experts are trying to point out regarding this DNA itself is that the type of DNA it is is not it's not
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indicative of anything that that may have occurred during the commission of any of these crimes regardless of of
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what crimes you believe took place this DNA does not have to be there because of
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a sexual assault this DNA does not have to be there because of a murder what they're saying is the problem with the
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DNA ultimately right now is that they don't know where it came from and they don't know how long it was there right
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meaning there's a chance it worked its way there after the fact after she was already killed after the perpetrator
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fled or after John and paty started covering up the crime right that there's a chance that that DNA has nothing to do
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with the murder of this child and that is the problem and until they can figure out
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you might be able to clear that up if you can figure out where it came from if there it would be a way for you to prove
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that it's impossible for it to end up on the body after the fact that it could have only ended up on her during the
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commission of these crimes right but if I'm talking with John Ramsay and and John says to me I want to hire you for
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this case I'd say John the first thing we need to do is look at this DNA and we need to come to some
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consensus with multiple experts I'd also want to pull in some investigators that
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that believe that it was the family I'd want to pull them in and to have them help with the investigation because they
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would be our checks and balances I also think they need to figure out the stun gun Theory I don't
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know if they can still do it but I know at the time they would would have been able to uh dig her up and do some tests
01:14:25
to figure out if these were train tracks marks or possibly a stun gun or neither
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or right and I think that's important I also think this digital molestation that's
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what I'm going to call it that possibly happened on the 22nd or 23rd or the and then then happen the the
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day of the murder now I say the day of the murder because that I believe was in the report and I'm going to throw out
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this Theory and I think there's some investigation that should be done this is not this is finger
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molestation they believe a finger was Insider now you can you can explain it away in multiple different you know with
01:15:15
the wiping uh aggressive wiping and and different things but most people believe
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this is some form of molestation I would also argue you have children playing on the 23rd not always
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supervised and then the same thing happens on the 25th was there is there a kid involved and here I'll just put it out
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there if is it possible a kid did this and wasn't meaning harmed by it it was just a kid not knowing any better is
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that making any sense at all it certainly makes some sense to me but I think that the evidence is showing that
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to me it shows that the digital manipulation right is what they they term it occurred and it probably
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occurred near at or near the time of her death which I would lean that way I'm just saying is is this a something that
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we can again it's just like with the train track marks or the stun gun marks I think it starts narrowing things down
01:16:25
so if we can come to a consensus of that this there was some kind of I'm going to
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call it digital molestation because it's molestation is this happening at the time of her death ruling that out I also
01:16:40
think because there's too many coincidences when you look at Santa bill there's too many odd things his
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daughter was kidnapped 22 years before on the date it's an unsolved kidnapping technically yes they find John Benet
01:17:00
Ramsey in her house but there's a ransom note so to me it's technically a kidnapping it's an unsolved
01:17:09
kidnapping and this guy like I said I I looked as much as I could into this bear that was found and
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you can look at the crime scene photos and see this bear on the bed I want to know if it really came from that pageant
01:17:24
if they can prove that but here's what we do now Santa bill was hired by multiple people and worked multiple
01:17:31
locations we have tons of evidence out there and here's something that the public could actually look for if your
01:17:41
child had any picture with Santa bill is there a bear that matches this description I think if it does that's
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enough of a reason for us to go hey this this guy needs to be looked into further
01:17:55
the other thing I would want to know is in your Santa Claus outfit most Santa Claus is we wear black
01:18:03
boots I would like to see anybody that has a picture with Santa Bill what boots are what boots is um is he wearing at
01:18:12
the time and is it possible that they're Hightech which would be the marks that were found the shoe shoe prints that
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were found in the base so I think those are things that people can look into now and and get us closer to some
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01:18:37
before John Ben's murder there were 38 registered sex offenders living within a 2m radius of the Ramsay's
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