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[Applause] all right yeah back for part two I just got done crowd surfing all right so we were on uh
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wait did we answer uh any plans for a Meetup other than crime conon did we answer that one no all right so the
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answer is no the uh no well yes and yes here's the problem are there any plans no the captain's right there there
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are no plans however it's not out of the realm of possibility sling up the party
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a little bit we did um we did a podcast was that a was did they call that a podcast festival or podcast event that
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we did at a festival I think at that uh theater downtown which was really cool you got us in in with that and then we
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did something at the uh histor the um Historic Society sorry in Columbus Ohio last year where we actually talked about
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a case yeah the podcast Fest we talked about some new information on the Brian schaer and that was actually heard on
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off the Record mhm now with both of these events we we were finding out the details as we went so maybe we didn't
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advertise them as well but also the people hosting the events didn't really didn't really sell it as well as I think
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that they could have as well so we do other things than crime con we are certainly excited to be at crime con
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this year and like I said we did those two things last year probably do two things again this year something or
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other yeah I'm I've been putting out some fers on doing um just some meetups solo meetups the captain tour I'm trying
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to come up with some idea like a evening with the captain MH where I go and maybe
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play some of my songs other than the music that you hear from the show you can find that at Captain fat hands.com
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but I've been working on something if I could figure out some way to do it where
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I could go into a club play a small set do a Q&A do a meet and greet I might might try to do something like that if I
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can connect all the dots to it well and we've tried and you especially Captain have tried to make arrangements with
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other podcasters other True Crime podcasters to do like a uh you know a one one big event or get to meet several
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of your favorites all at the same time yeah this normally doesn't line up the issue with that is yeah one we're all in
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different cities and two our schedules are all different so like you had Tim and Lance reach out to you from uh crawl
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space and from the missing Mara Murray podcast as well as did Jordan reach out to you from the nighttime podcast or was
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that my did I make that up uh he had some event that he invited us to is going to be in Toronto but that's the
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other thing that is difficult too is you can have one week that feels like a hurricane you know we you get done
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recording you start trying to get ahead of the next episode getting all the ads together um put in the music where it
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needs to be creating the music doing the research uh having phone meetings to know where we're where we're trying to
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go with the story how do we want to tell the story and sometimes if there was event where we had to leave town that
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episode is going to fall short right um so that's been the constant struggle and
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that's why um I mean we've been approached by a couple companies where we would take one story one case and
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would duplicate that multiple times and do like 10 cities or whatever I know like my favorite murder doing that it's
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not out of the realm of possibilities but again just a day of travel travel in a day of focusing on a show we'd have to
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do so much more work uh just to get the episode to be the quality we want it to be yeah people don't understand that
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most weeks not every week and we agree on this not every week but most weeks it's a bit of a rat race because we're
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we're recording and putting together what we hope to be a really good show we strive for it to be a really good show
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and then we kind of have to tuck that one away put it away put it to bed and now we're we're starting with a blank
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canvas on a case we may not know anything about right and we we have a week to dive as far into it as we can
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and then record again and on top of that replying to emails just through the business of the podcast mhm emails of
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suggestions for new cases emails of thoughts on the case we just covered or cases we just covered inin the last
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month blog post Instagram post Instagram comments I mean just today alone I will probably reply
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to a 100 uh direct messages in Instagram well so it's just it's never ending I did five phone call meetings myself last
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week and I know you had you often have a bunch of phone call meetings every week
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too because three of those phone call meetings you and I were on in the same meeting so I know you had a bunch as
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well but uh you know and we we both have I you know I call them private investigators but I have guys that know
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a lot about the web I know have guys that know about the dark web I I know private investigators I know just really
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smart True Crime Guys so there's a lot of guys that that I have meetings with um through the weeks going hey we're
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covering such and such case and they'll read up on it and give me their thoughts
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and some angles to look at that maybe I didn't think about so or there's tips coming in I get stuff
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sent to me uh we just had this very interesting tip that came to us just a Twitter message 12:00 at night about
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ready to go to bed and for whatever reason I open up Twitter see this message it's this very weird link to a
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case that you think there might be some legs to this lead and so you start sending that the people you know so they
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can dive into it um and then you might end up spending 5 hours on something like that can you say what case it was I
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won't ask you what the lead is but can you say what case there was just this weird connection with uh with um the Amy
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mahalic case okay and I I sent it to you okay yeah so it's one of those things where is it something you don't know but
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next thing you know you spend 5 hours on it and that cuts into your time to try to get all the other stuff done yeah
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that's the other thing too it's it's chasing leads and and like you just said some of them are nothing some of them
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you get to the end of wherever this thing is supposed to go and you go oh great this is all [ __ ] or yeah or
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you just go or it's nothing you know somebody's heart was in the right place but but it's not uh um something that
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that it's not likely yeah I've been diving into the these uh had multiple pages and links and all this
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information that was sent to me about the Brandon Lawson case and gone through about half of them but when you spend
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about you know 8 hours on these you go I I can't do this right now I need to get
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ready for the next week of our show so the one one troubling thing I have Captain it's when when the old add kicks
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in for me where I'm supposed to be researching a case a specific case and something will pull me into another
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Direction and next thing I know I'm actually researching a completely different case because I've stumbled
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onto something I'm sure you've been a victim of that as well the worst now though is when I play gigs um I mean I
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love when somebody that listens to the show pops up just to say hello but you know I'll be on breaks at a gig talking
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about cases and I'm just like I only chose to do this gig uh to come out hang out with my buddies and and get away
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from True Crime right I'm constantly uh I'm forcing myself now to go uh okay can't watch True Crime today
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right I can't read about it um I watched The Green Room have you heard about this
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it's um a punk band goes to play um a party uh there's no money involved they can't make it back home so
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the guy sets up another gig it just so happens to be for basically a Nazi group okay and they
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play the gig the I'm not going to give it too much away but something happens and now they can't leave the
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gig and they're surrounded by all these Nazis and I'm not a Gore movie fan I don't like Gore movies right it is very
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gory um is the story good sometimes I find with the gore movies that it lacks in story it definitely
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lacks in story but I I think just the concept in itself I mean that you're playing this party this Nazi party and
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and these guys aren't Nazis they're just a punk band ain't no party like a Nazi party yeah not a thing that's not a
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thing uh don't ever say that again um then he was replaced the following week there a Nazi party you can't leave you
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can't leave you can't leave Nazi party a lot there's a lot of people going in no
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one's coming out so it's ba it was basically a slasher film but instead of like the the monster being Jason or
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Freddy it was it was this group group of Nazis but like it there's no signs that
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it's going to be a gory movie dude but once it becomes gory it's like gory right away and you're like you just
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described one of my favorite movies of all time From Dusk Till Dawn where you're I don't know if you're familiar
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with it but yeah you watch it you don't know that you're going to end up watching a Gore slasher film and then it
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very quickly turns into that uh at one point and you're I don't know I love that movie so it seems Seems like a
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little bit of a of a nod to from dust still Dawn yeah so well I got through that movie but then I was going to watch
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the 2020 qu uh Chris I can't talk the 2020 Chris Watts special and then I forc myself not to watch it and to watch a a
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comedy movie with Adam Sandler this is my life now I have to force myself to a make yourself watch a comedy all right
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does Nick know how smooth his voice is I don't know I I wish it could be smoother I I wish he could pronounce
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cities correctly yeah look them up every now and then the best is sometimes he says them and I think to myself that is
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so wrong but so you know sometimes there's tension where we got a lot of work to get done and you don't want to
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stop and be like you sure you want to say Costa Rica that way Costa Rica Costa Rica a lot of people say Costa Rica it's
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here's here's the thing that I get Costa Rica here's the thing that I get a little tired of Costa Rica Costa Rica
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Costa Rica um is actually c s by the way Costa Rica but anyway um regardless the one thing I do take umage
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with uh to be smooth is that um I I tend to and I get it I've I've heard you know
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people say it's and you've actually told me this several times just look up the word well it doesn't always work out so
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simple that way you can look it up and it doesn't always reflect the vernacular of the area right
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right right so like the the the one where I where I got uh drawn and quartered for the crucified more than
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any other was wer uh Massachusetts and and and I had many people email me and say how could
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you not know that it's Worcester and if you look at the word itself it doesn't look any anything like
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Worster well it's also starters right we have but we have Worster in Ohio there's
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a Worster Ohio Town w s t r and wer yeah right so that that looks like Wooster anyway this is a long way
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of saying I'm a I'm a blue collar guy from Ohio and I tend to say things the way that uh a blue collar guy from Ohio
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would so if I mispronounce any one city it doesn't mean I don't mean it any disrespect I love so many cities and
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states in this great country and have been fortunate enough to visit some in other countries as well um I absolutely
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mean it with no disrespect it's just kind of um take me for what I am a salt of the earth kind of dude uh I'm going
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to mispronounce names from time to time he's smooth and salty right that's gross all right okay
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so uh why do you leave out the Gory details and when did you decide to do this like was it a conscious
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thing which is I I I don't know if that's I mean they might be referring to one case which
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again we could go through all the details of that case but uh well not every case do we
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leave out the Gory details yeah it's it's not it's not even really a most of the time it's not a conscience effort uh
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to do so um we have had I don't know about you Captain but I've received several emails throughout the years that
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say you're you're too gory you know you're you're you're too um it's too gross it's too it's too heartbreaking to
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listen to some of these and I'm not trying to play to any of those emails I just when when we put together a
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case you kind of just do it on feel you really just kind of do it on fi some I mean how many times are you going to
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repeat the same nasty terrible thing that somebody did especially when you have a Serial offender right A lot of
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them do the same terrible things to each victim and it's really how many times you have to describe that for the
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audience to know that that's what exactly happened yeah it seems kind of repetitive and trit and
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and yeah my favorite is when they say it's disrespectful to the victim to leave out the Gory details which makes
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zero sense to me right I've I've heard law enforcement officers have FBI agents that will leave out the Gory details to
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show some respect to the victim that's the the sign that I I see it as it doesn't bother me saying
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anything um I don't visualize it when I'm saying it so I think it it's fine for me but uh but I respect I respect
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when we don't as well well and and to to kind of put a lid on this too there are rare is rare is it that I find
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something in a case that I specifically choose not to say that I consciously make an effort to not include it during
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our discussion right but the also when something is um listed like for example they were kidnapped they were bound they
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were tortured they were raped they were sodomized then they were they were killed
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mhm uh you could even say they were shot in the neck they were shot in the back there were shot in the head this person
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was put into a a garbage bag and then put into a trash can now that was what was listed mhm there's not there's
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nothing on that list that we missed that's what happened to them right we just didn't go step by step of what
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happened right and if you want to hear that stuff I mean one you can Google it too but there's other shows that get off
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on that stuff and sit around jerking off while they read that stuff and that's never going to be me so well and and we
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try to let the case each individual case steer us and so you know and we also allow the discussion to steer us as well
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all right if you had to drink I love this had to uh we need to have WI wine next year next year we need to not just
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have a beer but we need to have a wine so our beer of the week will be a wine yeah but you call it the wine of the
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week just one episode we've done wine before um but they said if you had to drink wine on an episode which wine
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would you choose yeah do they need mean brand or variety I don't know that's I'm just
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reading the question so my my goto wine is Mero most of the time and I drink red
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wine much much more than I drink white wine so so Mero and then there's there's I'd go with nine crimes wine I mean
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there's three dozen good merlos if not more what I love about the nine crimes wine is when you get it there's that app
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that you put the phone up to the app or up to the bottle and then the picture comes alive and tells you the story why
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the person's in jail mhm so it probably be that because it goes with the theme of our show the the difficult thing with
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well we that's long enough never mind go ahead yeah but I mean we can I mean there look there's several times where
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we have a a you know we drink a beer of the beer of the week and then we go to Miller Light or Guinness or Newcastle
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because some of it is it's really hard to find these beers and then sometimes we go from beer to Bourbon just what
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happens okay uh if you could interview a serial killer who would it be it's a good
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question oh that's a tough question then I'm going to put a caveat to that so it so
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it have to be somebody that we know their identity right I could because I could I
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could weasel in there and go the Zodiac Killer then I would know who he is um I man that's tough because a lot of
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these dudes you don't want to talk to and would you be behind glass or in a room with them yeah what's the setup
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here cuz I'm not going to lie to you like you you mentioned wickline a few weeks ago about being terrified or
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afraid of somebody he's not somebody that I would want to sit across the table from but if you put me on the
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phone with him I would I would talk to him but well but see I would like to be across the glass from somewh like
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that just to get a read on their personality oh yeah through the glass I just met in an unsupervised room just
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sitting across the table from him no thank you and I I want to know if the fear that some of the cops had with
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transporting them would that fear come to me yeah even though you're behind glass obviously but that's something
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you're not going to really understand over the phone um the not serial killer but there's
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there's a couple people I'd like for somebody to put you know like no glass just put me in a room with them I love I
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mean give give me about an hour in a room with Chris Watts that'd be fun mhm I mean I literally think I'd just
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end up kicking the [ __ ] out of him but I don't know if that's allowed in the interview um yeah but okay so let's give
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him an answer well I think for me and this is this is I'm not trying to to be an ass with my answer here okay but I
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would probably lean towards some deceased Killers because I to me that there's a
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little bit of a mystery of what did they take to the Grave with them you know what and and I think my my first answer
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and maybe the most justifiable response would be to interview somebody that you believe
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that you could still add some further good uh to to the case meaning if there was something unsolved unresolved that
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you could look at and say hey when I talk to this guy I'm going to try to figure out if I can get an answer
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regarding this unsolved case yeah so that would be my first thought um this is Ted Bundy would be towards the top of
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my list and and I I do take a little bit of flak because because I am so fascinated by Mr Theodore Bundy but um
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uh he would be towards the top of my list here's this might be out of left field for your captain but the Coline
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guys um CLE bold and um I can't think of their names off the top of my head but those those jerks I would I would like
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to talk to because I I have a lot of uh questions for a lot of these these uh school shooter and people that just go
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into a crowd and attack random people um I have a lot of questions about that so
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it probably the the Coline guys would be the at the top of my list yeah I wouldn't mind talking to them I think my
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theories that basically were told were dumb theories when we cover that case I think they would be proven correctly and
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then I'd laugh at everybody ha and then um dmer but just because I think he's responsible for Adam Walsh's
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murder and I think I would try to get him to talk about that so that that would be mine so I go with uh uh
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dmer all right so next question how do you do your research I'll let you go how do we do the research yep that's
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what it is um like I could say it I could say it as many times as I want that's it's not
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going to change it's what it's going to be well simply you I'm going to break it
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down my way I will start by quickly is is there a Wikipedia page if there's a Wikipedia page that's good enough for
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80% of the True Crime shows out there so I'll start with that is there a Wikipedia page then I'll see is there
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any YouTube videos is there a documentary done on this is there a podcast done on this and I'll start
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creating a list of all the items and who did them for example if we get a case and I go to YouTube and I search that
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case and there's a brain scratch well if you haven't watched a brain scratch you should because he does
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great research he's a great guy great person uh he's very thorough going to learn a lot from him and look I'm a big
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fan of of multiple True Crime shows I enjoy listening to my favorite murder do I think you're going to learn
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a ton about the case maybe not but they're also going to be very entertaining and and that's kind of
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their stick and there's other shows that are maybe less entertaining but more knowledge-based and I think brain
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scratch is a great job so if if he has an epode on something I make sure I watch it now there might be three other
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videos on YouTube by other people that I won't watch because I don't know where their quality is so same thing with
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podcast the case might have been covered by generation why well I'm going to listen to episode of theirs yeah cuz
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there's there's sorry I just slam my hand into something it's tight Quarters here in the garage they're they're
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they're a solid show is is the best way most simple way to put it I think they're solid guys with solid research
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sometimes there'll be a show you know uh my favorite it'll be called like True Crime uh step brother and sister half
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siblings uh done in a shed and uh mil milwa and that'll be the name of the show and I'll try it and get
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to 5 minutes into the episode and realized these people looked up Wikipedia and that's all we're getting
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or or it's something you can't listen to It's it's painful yeah or it's or it's a
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bunch of captains making jokes and it's like just okay let your let your Nick get to the story
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so that's kind of where I sit and then I'll I'll I'll start like I said Wikipedia if there's a DAT line on it
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then I start there but all those are only going to get you surface level stuff um now you know if you pay
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attention to the show I'm going to be creating producing the music trying to figure out the
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flow I'm also there to interject thoughts and we might have talking points along the way
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but a lot of the detail stuff I might not have to I'm more of a visual learner and you know audio learner so if I I can
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learn that way and I try to get it to the point with my research and my stick on the show is toally different the next
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stick he's going to be coming in with the facts the details the the date and the time and the location I might not
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have to remember that but I try to get it to the point where every conversation or I can call somebody up and say have
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you ever heard of this case they say no and I could start talking for an hour right so that's where I try to get to in
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in my research and my preparation for the show so it and I think the captain's answer is fantastic and I think it
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points out one thing that's unique about this job let's call it that but I think
00:28:08
this also works for real life detectives we're not really detectives in the sense
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we're just researchers uh for the most part yeah we have to play a little bit of detective from time to time but um
00:28:20
where a real detective I think they would tell you that no case is is the same you know that that each one can
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kind of take take you in a different direction down a different Road there's different paths for everything and so I
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think there's no cookie cutter version of how I do my research it does depend on the case more specifically it depends
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on the location and the um when the time when the crime took place where so I will research a 1960s
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case much differently than I will research a 2005 case right completely different now now with all cases my
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favorite thing and usually my first go-to is try to find local coverage of the case if there be it
00:29:10
newspapers magazines Internet TV whatever usually I want to try to find local coverage of the case people that
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know the area know the people of that area that's my go-to well also if you have connections there's been several
00:29:25
cases where I'll have a friend say oh well they there's a confession right and they have the documents of the
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confession I'll get a buddy that actually gets those documents and and reads it to me um that might not have a
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lot of bearing on on the way that we tell the story but it gives you a more un a bigger understanding of what the
00:29:47
actual what's happening in the case and I think that's what you're kind of saying too with like the local reporting
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you're just going to have a better awareness of where the heads were to of the community in that area the
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local people tend to be a little more detailed with their um story of what took place because they can be they know
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the area they know the people and a lot of them have worked for years with local
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law enforcement trying to get stories you know trying to get the information and put it out there so I love the local
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stuff um like you had mentioned earlier about having some quote unquote friends I have I do have some individuals that
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have different backgrounds I don't reach out to someone every case but if if something is obvious I will reach out to
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somebody like you know like I I have a firefighter friend I have a somebody that's uh has a background in search and
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rescue we have a friend that's a private detective we have a friend that's retired law enforcement retired
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detective we have um you know different walks of life and so on a occasion if something's obvious I will reach out to
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that person sometimes I'm even smart enough to do it a few weeks in advance you know
00:31:06
just send an email or send a text and say hey we're thinking about talking about this thing uh 3 weeks from now
00:31:13
there was a bomb involved there was a bomb that was sent through the mail do you know anything about that kind of
00:31:18
stuff and it it and it's it's so much it's less specific to that case it's more just what is your experience what
00:31:26
do you know about that type of crime well and I've had scenarios where I know the case pretty
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well and uh we're we're days away from covering it and I'll go have a beer with a buddy maybe I text earlier in the week
00:31:41
and they say um sometimes they don't know anything about the case sometimes they know a lot right but they might
00:31:48
tell you on Monday I don't know much about the case but then when you go have that beer on Thursday 2 3 hours later
00:31:54
you're going wow this is a whale of a c there's a lot here so you know again I think we we try to put it in as much
00:32:04
details as we can with also trying to keep it entertaining and have discussions because that that's kind
00:32:11
that's also the fun in it too I mean you can sit there and research cases by yourself um you know Nick could do an
00:32:18
episode every week by himself and I could do an episode every week by our ourselves but it's really hearing the
00:32:24
other viewpoints because it's just like I was talking with this Amy Mahal thing that I've been looking at this angle of
00:32:31
it's somebody that knew the older brother it's just not something that was reported on highy by like James rener um
00:32:39
so to have a friend of mine dive into the case and and present a different idea to me it gets my brain sparked in a
00:32:48
different direction and and sometimes those conversations you know like you said your fireman friend you could call
00:32:54
and they could just say one line that really Sparks a whole different uh path of thought all right do you have a
00:33:02
favorite True Crime garage episode or episodes and why I have a I mean this going to sound
00:33:14
weird I have a lot I was just going to say I have a lot that I do like I have some that I
00:33:19
don't um so one thing that's been pointed out to me time and time again by by the
00:33:28
listeners and I I really respect their opinion more than my own and I've heard so many people say
00:33:37
the boys on the tracks that's the one that I when I'm telling somebody to listen to True Crime garage for the
00:33:43
first time I'm telling them check out boys on the tracks check out this episode that episode but the boys on the
00:33:49
tracks always seems to be in that conversation so if I had to pick a set which we did four we did four that was
00:33:58
four not three right yeah we did four episodes on boys on the tracks and I I think that that set is probably my
00:34:06
favorite because that's the one that I I'm very proud of the work that we did there because I have so many people say
00:34:14
that to me that that those were just well done and and this was it's also a case that a lot of people didn't know
00:34:19
about yeah if you were outside of Arkansas you didn't seem to know about the case at the time and so I I I go go
00:34:27
to that one Captain because like I said so many of the listeners whose opinions I respect more than my own and value
00:34:34
more than my own have suggested that that's our best yeah I I don't know if I have a favorite I mean I don't listen to
00:34:41
our show really so I try not to anyways cuz I think it just I don't know it makes you start thinking too much and
00:34:51
and I think it's better just to be as honest and authentic as I can be and I think if I listen back I'll start
00:34:58
critiquing myself and then I'll start planning stuff out and I just don't I don't know so but a case that still
00:35:06
Thrills me is boys on the tracks and I thought the music was really awesome so I thought I did a good job on that one
00:35:14
so all right uh so the best is when I get a message I didn't know you did the music yep every episode since the
00:35:23
beginning um we must have a bunch of new listeners because I'm getting flooded with case
00:35:31
suggestions of cases that we've covered yeah that's my favorite lately hey have you I'm getting a ton of that and some
00:35:37
of them are a little mean-spirited like I can't believe you haven't you know why
00:35:43
wouldn't you bother to look into Kaylee Anthony right we already have well we did we called her a troll well no
00:35:50
Kaylee's the victim the I mean well case we called Casey a troll yeah we did I think four hours on that case so um and
00:35:58
it look Nick cried while he read the letter from the grandpa yeah I did yeah we had to stop recording because I was
00:36:07
reading his suicide note and I I broke down the captain goes what's wrong I go I don't know and
00:36:15
and you go well you're you're like on the verge of tears and I go I know I can't talk that there's a lump in my
00:36:21
throat so big that I'm like choking right now and you go why is this bothering you so much for some reason I
00:36:29
like my soul like slipped out of my body and and became somebody else like I felt
00:36:34
I was him for whatever reason just reading it Time After Time After Time yeah that doesn't happen to me it it was
00:36:41
a weird moment for me yeah so okay would you ever consider doing a video format version of your
00:36:55
show no it was would be too much editing we edit I mean we could probably do a video version of off the Record but I
00:37:05
don't know if we could do one of um the show because you have to edit the audio then edit the video together it just be
00:37:14
too timec consuming and we already do roughly our schedule is two episodes a week of True Crime garage and one
00:37:22
episode of off the Record that's roughly what our schedule is so put out that much content and then have to edit both
00:37:30
video and audio now look we could hire somebody to do that but then you once you add somebody in the room it changes
00:37:37
the dynamic of the whole room so I have a couple thoughts on that one uh like you just pointed out our schedule it's
00:37:46
two full days in the garage two full days of recording editing uh just just that's just laying the show out you know
00:37:56
that's just putting the show together recording the vocals and and the audio for all that two full days and
00:38:04
it sounds like I'm sure there's several people going well that's only two days there's seven days in a week Colonel but
00:38:11
then you're then you're left the other five days to do everything else which is the research which is coming up with
00:38:17
next week's show and putting everything together for those two full days of recording the thing is it's a great idea
00:38:25
one I don't know that we have time for it like you pointed out but two we've also found that a lot of times that the
00:38:32
listens don't translate to views where right there's a reason why people are listening to podcasts they want to
00:38:39
listen to a podcast it's not every person that listens to a podcast goes oh I want to watch something as well they
00:38:46
can be mobile also so you're driving in your car you're listening you're you're riding your bike you're running you're
00:38:52
working out you're grocery shopping um there are a bunch of people that watch podcast on I mean there's plenty of
00:39:00
interviews I watch of Joe Rogan on on YouTube um when I can just sit down and watch it but or Clips but I don't know I
00:39:10
we like the me we like the medium of podcast so stick with that for now well and you and I have always even you know
00:39:18
being young dudes we were always fans of talk radio and this is the closest to talk radio we can get yeah and podcast
00:39:27
the thing I love about and the reason why I think it's so well received and so successful um as a medium is that
00:39:36
people you can you can listen to a podcast when you're doing anything I'm constantly listening when when I'm
00:39:43
cooking if I'm doing yard work if I'm working around the house if I'm driving uh if I'm working out you know anytime
00:39:51
that that my body's busy but my brain is not I'm listening to to a podcast and what's great about podcast is you can
00:39:59
choose your genre it's not like flipping on the radio there's plenty of times I flip on a radio and I'm I'm like well I
00:40:04
wish they would talk about this I wish they would talk about that and they don't and sometimes what's crazy about
00:40:11
uh what's going on I I think across the board these days is I like to listen to sports radio from time to time I find
00:40:19
more and more that when I tune into a sports network a sports radio station they're talking less and less about
00:40:26
sports on the sports networ yeah they're talking about politics or whatever Seinfeld or or the proper way to park
00:40:33
your car or how to interact with your co-workers yeah or like this show where they tune in to Listen to True Crime and
00:40:39
we're talking about everything else oh well this is off the Record and these are their questions I'm joking okay so
00:40:47
on that note uh what podcast and we've got we get this question all the time but it changes so look at that a natural
00:40:53
segue what podcast it's called practice practice makes perfect um what podcast do you guys listen to I'll just start so
00:41:03
you can think about it I listen every week you make me feel guilty now that I have to only include True Crime podcast
00:41:10
after saying we're not talking about True Crime I don't I haven't listened to a a podcast a true crime podcast
00:41:18
regularly in a year and a half two years what when you were listening to one regularly what was
00:41:25
it uh was the truth and Justice and um missing Mara Murray no missing Mara Murray I love Bob um I've listened a lot
00:41:36
of Bob Ruff stuff on truth and Justice listened a lot of episodes when he was covering Adnan Sayad uh but a lot of U
00:41:44
missing Mar Murray and a lot of generation wide pick and choose different oh thinking sideways but
00:41:53
they're gone now so they were they were my go-to really thinking sideways and and missing Mar Murray and I was such
00:42:00
big fans of thinking sideways and to just like hang out with him and they're like yeah Captain you're the cool guy
00:42:06
everybody likes it a great show it was a good show and I'd be like hanging out with them like just you know like
00:42:12
geeking out and same way with Tim and Lance it's like they look at it you like you're you
00:42:19
you have a successful podcast we we uh you know we're we're peers right mhm I I don't look at them like that because i'
00:42:28
I've just been a fan of their show all right so podcast that I listen to every Monday or Sunday nights I will listen to
00:42:36
this American life I just started cuz I just found out that fresh air is now a podcast it wasn't for a long time so I
00:42:44
listened to that one with Terry uh Terry Gross and then I've been listening to a
00:42:49
lot of Under the Skin uh it's Russell Brand's new podcast and those are three that I listen to every week so that's
00:43:00
your podcasting days to listen uh Sunday Monday kind of the no I mean I I listen
00:43:06
throughout the week but I'm just saying like um normally um I'm I do work for the show Monday night MH and then
00:43:14
normally when I'm driving home from that or driving home getting something to eat
00:43:20
around that time I'll listen to something every week Monday night or Sunday night so I listen to some
00:43:30
sports uh podcast and I we don't need to get too much into that but for reasons kind of piggybacking off of my last
00:43:37
answer is that I really love the NFL and we live in Columbus Ohio and we do have
00:43:43
really good sports radio stations here but they're so consumed with Ohio State Buckeyes with theot you know Buckeye
00:43:52
football which I love uh but it you really could tune in to a 2hour show they'll talk nothing but Buckey for an
00:44:00
hour and 45 and then the show afterwards will be 2 hours and they'll manage to talk Buckeyes for another hour 45 of
00:44:07
that 2hour show so being a big fan of the NFL I have a few NFL uh podcasts that I listen to that are specific to
00:44:15
the NFL and I listen to those in a way like you had mentioned to get away from the True Crime you know you can only um
00:44:23
you can only talk and listen to murder so much in one week it's you know it can get to you and just listening to and
00:44:33
reading about people doing terrible things to other people can get to you so that's my
00:44:39
Escape as far as true crime podcast go there's a ton of really good ones out there in my opinion but I listen more
00:44:46
case specific rather than show uh based off of the show so I might look up Ed keer let's say Edmund keer and I'll see
00:44:56
well who has covered him and I'll look up I I will pick my favorites you know rather than it be a show I've never
00:45:04
heard of if Generation Y has covered it if uh true murder anybody that we know has covered it I'll go to their show
00:45:12
first because I know it's going to be quality yeah um you know like I I too liked Bob's show but again case specific
00:45:20
you know he's been on on doing his podcast truth and justice for years right now I I followed it off and on
00:45:26
because I like some of the cases that he's covered more than others um I also it just becomes a time thing too I mean
00:45:33
we you can only listen to so much yeah I we both listen to more shows when we're
00:45:38
on the road more so I'll listen to True murder that's kind of a regular for me with Dan zupansky because it's it hops
00:45:46
around to different king of True Crime well and I really like I really like authors as well and I and I like true
00:45:53
crime books and and all actuality listening to True murder has saved me some money throughout the years
00:46:02
on some because some of the interviews get so in depth the author will get so in depth about their true crime book I
00:46:08
almost feel like I don't need to read it after so if you're a good author out there don't go on true murder because it
00:46:14
people won't buy your books and then other times I've purchased books because of the show but I also like Ripper cast
00:46:20
and um lately I've been listening to the who killed Amy mahalic but again case specific all right all right which case
00:46:27
have you put off doing for the longest and why um I mean I'll just my answer would
00:46:35
be um Jean Benet Ramsey but that's because a lot of the stuff that I believe happened was just
00:46:42
in the CBS report and I don't know if you watch that episode and we go to cover it it's
00:46:49
going to be a lot of that stuff or at least my opinions will be a lot of that angle so
00:46:57
and and I and I did see a bunch of comments of people stating hey realize that there are cases that
00:47:05
are so big that people just want to hear your opinions uh you know we've never really covered the Stephen Avery case or
00:47:12
or the Adon Sayed case and and and I I do see that and lately I keep seeing more and more of
00:47:20
these comments of hey it's we don't need to have every detail of those cases because they've been covered so much but
00:47:28
we do want to hear your thoughts on them that's difficult though for us Captain for for several reasons because then you
00:47:35
have other people that are like hey I've not paid any attention to that case for
00:47:39
whatever reason but I love your show and this week I'm I I don't feel like I'm getting a full show because you're
00:47:45
playing it to the audience that already knows that about that case well right so
00:47:50
like the stair case was difficult for us too because it's it's a fine balance of
00:47:54
this was 12 episodes or whatever was on on the documentary but it's a fine balance of including the right amount of
00:48:03
detail so people out there know what we're talking about when we get to the speculation yeah and so my answer is the
00:48:11
exact same as yours Captain Jean Benet Ramsey because one I don't know how many episodes it would take to thoroughly
00:48:20
cover that case probably four I possibly I I mean I really could I'm I'm and maybe I'm behind well I know
00:48:31
I'm behind but um always behind I'm a little surprised somebody hasn't done a whole show dedicated to that case you
00:48:39
know where it's 20 episodes or 25 episodes or something crazy because I really think you could I think somebody
00:48:46
could do a full year of coverage or full season or however you well lucky for you
00:48:51
I'm putting on a 52p part series on John Benet ramsy next year 20 19 um look forward to putting that out I
00:49:00
really think I think it could be done and that's why I that case scares me for the main reason of once we sit down to
00:49:08
do the research and look we thought West Memphis 3 was was was hey here's what's
00:49:15
great about the special I'm doing it's not only done with uh uh corresponding with CBS but also CBC also the BBC also
00:49:26
Al NBC uh CNN it's done with Fox News Network um MTV VH1 Pepsi Cola cocacola it's done with
00:49:39
all these people so it's going to be a great series I can't wait to put it out the CBC is by far my favorite network
00:49:45
the Columbus Brewing Company they are fantastic they're brilliant individuals they are changing lives over there at
00:49:53
Columbus bre all right speaking of changing lives last question how has the podcast changed
00:50:00
your life natural segue we this is not scripted folks not scripted I mean hey that is me clapping not spank not
00:50:10
spanking my ass that's me clapping uh well let's let's do it this way I I I thought that was a kind of a
00:50:18
weird question Tell me uh at least one way it's changed your life for the better and one way it's changed your
00:50:24
life for the worse or if you have some overall thought process on how it changed your existence U you can tell me
00:50:32
that as well well the number one CH way it's kind of double-edged Sword here change my life for the better and for
00:50:40
the worse at the same time with this one answer what was once a hobby is now my profession and that is a blessing many
00:50:52
weeks because it is a labor of love for me yeah yeah however it's also a curse at the same time because there are times
00:51:01
look we've all gone and worked jobs or got into careers that we were very passionate about but not every week you
00:51:11
know you do get burned out from time to time it's just natural it just happens these episodes should have been called
00:51:17
the from time to time episodes wh why do I keep saying from time to time yeah from time to time you
00:51:23
keep saying from time to time okay um but yeah so that that is my answer that that my one of my favorite hobbies one
00:51:32
of my favorite passions of reading True Crime is now become my profession so it's been a blessing and a curse at the
00:51:40
same time uh from time to time from time to time uh there's a lot more involved I
00:51:47
mean I when we started the show we really thought this going to be something extra we do Nick would be
00:51:54
doing his career I'd be doing my career and this would be something we' do we'd have to make time to do it and we look
00:52:02
at as like a part-time job and just the amount of work to again with the emails website shipping out merchandise
00:52:10
research for cases I mean the list goes on and on um and it's a great thing but it's it's it's become a lot more work
00:52:20
the bigger the show becomes the more work you know more you know More Money More Problems right I think bigy said it
00:52:27
best but um so I don't get to spend as much time on my instruments um guitar and bass and practicing as much as I
00:52:36
used to and and back in the day when I taught guitar it was nice I knew one of the reasons why I started teaching was I
00:52:44
knew that I'd have to have my instrument in my hand for at least 20 some hours a
00:52:49
week so naturally you're just going to keep getting better and better because you have the instrument in your hand um
00:52:56
the downfall of that was you're teaching a lot of beginners so yes you keep getting better at the fundamentals but
00:53:02
you're not pushing yourself um but but there are good things like um to compose a theme for each show every week it's
00:53:12
nice because it it the show is going to come I have to create something so it's really there's some weeks that I think
00:53:21
this song kind of sucks but then I'm like we got to put out a show and I don't have another
00:53:26
better idea so here it is and I put that that song out and normally those are the
00:53:31
ones that people are like this week's show this week this week's song is this music is fantastic and then there's a
00:53:37
couple weeks that I'm like this one this is the best song I've done and uh then we'll put it out there will be no
00:53:44
comments about that song right I think oh people or people say uh there's a couple where I was real proud of them
00:53:52
and uh one guy said this beat sounds like you're running through a field it's stupid or something but it's
00:54:02
just like you know it's like supposed to be spooky and it sounds like we're running through a field this song is
00:54:08
stupid or whatever uh what was that one comment uh and I don't remember verbatim
00:54:15
it's stop it with the music this is embarrassing yeah this is this music is embarrassing oh man oh and you know you
00:54:25
you uh yeah so I mean there's all these things cuz there's part of you that you can sit
00:54:31
there and you're putting yourself under a magnifying glass to yourself so there's so many things that you can be
00:54:37
like oh my God I'm such an idiot or oh why did I pronounce it that way or or some weeks that you can't talk so you're
00:54:45
just bumbling all over the place and you have to edit and edit and so that can get to you but then
00:54:52
on the other flip side you have a bunch of people almost every time I go out to to have a beer just in local brewing
00:55:00
companies somebody will be like hey Captain is that you right I'm what oh I heard your voice and then they come over
00:55:08
and it's like we're best friends because they've listened to a bunch of the shows
00:55:12
so we have a bunch of stuff to talk about and you just and then they just tell you how much they enjoy your show
00:55:18
and how much they listen to and from work and and those are the moments that you it makes everything worth it because
00:55:25
I was driving into those gigs I was getting in my car at night and and going okay I got an hour and a half drive home
00:55:32
oh by the way I got a podcast that last an hour and a half that I get to listen to Game Changer your night is going to
00:55:39
be pretty good right and so to have people tell you that you you do the same thing for them I mean that's I I
00:55:46
sometimes I forget that when I'm bitching uh about the work the emails but then when I'm reminded of it I go oh
00:55:53
yeah we're lucky we are very lucky to be doing what we're doing good answer good
00:55:58
answer all right that's enough that's enough of that tear it down shut it down all right tear it
00:56:04
up shut it down dare to keep a kid off drugs keep a kid go home there's nothing to see here all right till next week
00:56:23
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