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maybe this is a little childish of me Captain but one of my one of the parts that I thought was the most interesting
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out of all of the information that was released in these 283 Pages throughout these different documents was the way
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that everything went down right I've always fascinated by police procedure and the actual
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investigation more so than any of the Gory details of the of the crime itself right and I love the way that that they
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carry things out I love having an understanding of how they have to react at a moment's notice so think
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about this this case is it's just kind of for five and a half years Peaks and valleys highs and lows a roller coaster
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ride for everybody not just the investigators but especially the investigators and then you had you have
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all these these times in the case where there doesn't seem to be anything really
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going on and that's almost six years long 5 and a half years long right and then in
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October of 2022 Richard Allen is taken into custody and the way that this comes about is
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because of an interview with him and his wife on October 13th well what's really
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interesting to me is when you look at some of these documents we know that they spoke with
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him on the 13th well what also happened on the 13th they filed the affidavit for a search warrant
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they requesting a search warrant permission from a judge to search his property right so the way that this all
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goes down is they I you can you can picture this but I'm going to draw the picture for you they bring him and his
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wife in for questioning now I want to be completely clear about this because one
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thing that is not clear in this case is everybody goes well he talked to the police and detectives when this all went
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down way back when and they were never interested in him well we need to figure out exactly the details of that of what
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his conversations were with law enforcement in 2017 because as it's stated he spoke
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with a a conservation officer right basically a park ranger I'm guessing yeah like here we have uh we refer to
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them you'll see the the vehicles they'll see natural resource officer there's there's several different titles and
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different ranks that you can hold in that uh in that agency it is a form of law enforcement absolutely no doubt
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about that and I'm assuming their conservation officer is similar to what we're talking
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about here Natural Resources officer park ranger I think it for me it falls more into that category than actual
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homicide detective and so we don't know did this conversation take place at a supermarket
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somewhere did he go to a park rangers office and tell them hey I was out there on the trails that day and they made
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note of it and it slipped through the cracks yeah did it happen at his work what nobody is saying is that he came in
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he marched into the Sheriff's Office and sat down with detectives that's not what
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anybody's saying so I would love to hear more details about Richard Allen's conversation with law enforcement back
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in 2017 but what we do know that that led to is at some point they're reviewing the case all the information that
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they've collected about the case they come across this statement from an officer from this this uh and I have his
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name here uh I can't find it at the moment but bear with me Captain they find the statement and they
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go oh we need to talk talk to this guy so this is much more official October 13th 2022 they ask Richard Allen to come
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in they ask his wife to come in it's not described this way but I'm assuming that
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they spoke to them separately they may have spoke to them together and separately we don't know
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how that went down but what we do know is that his wife confirms for law enforcement that yes my husband does
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have guns and knives in our home and Richard Allen can firms for them in October of 2022 yes I was on the trails
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that day and so what we then have is a rush job you because you got to have a rush job and I'll tell you why here in a
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minute you go off to the judge and you go look here's we we just typed all this up we need you to Grant a a search
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warrant for this home and property and we need we want to issue this search warrant
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immediately so the way that this goes down and you can picture it right they're talking to these two individuals
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at the department at some point during those conversations they go you know what somebody who uh who can we get we
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need someone to start typing up that affidavit immediately we need to get papers in
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front of a judge for them to sign off on a search warrant and we need to do this
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today so from my understanding it was roughly around 5:00 pm that day they get the search warrant they drive
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them right out to the home right out to the property and now they are carrying out that search warrant and the search
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warrant specifically says that Richard Allen and his wife have to leave the property they
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have to leave the residents during the course of this search right what happens is at some point they decide this guy
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has taken priority over everyone else and now they've decided he we might have shown our hand
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we might have tipped our cap and and shown our hand here and now he knows he's not a witness we're not
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interviewing him as a witness anymore he's a suspect we cannot let this guy go home and have access to all the stuff
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that we're We believe We may find at his property because now he may destroy the
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evidence discard the evidence hide the evidence we need to get there as soon as we can ASAP ASA M so they they I bet you
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they drag out the the conversation with him and the wife for a period of time while they could type up this document
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go and get permission from the judge this is when you go judge I I can't don't have time for an appointment
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here's why I need you to sign this right now if you agree with the information that we've put in this document so that
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we can be there on his doorstep when they get home before he has time to destroy any evidence right and we can we
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can carry out the search warrant and you can picture this right yeah can you please stop asking me if I can picture
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something this is not that hard to picture it's not an abstract painting there genius Richard Allen and his wife
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probably standing on the front lawn not allowed to go into their home watching these men and women of law enforcement
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removing boxes and bags of evidence or potential evidence from their home can you picture it and then after the tests
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are run on this six-hour gun that is when he is arrested so he he must have been sweating bullets and [ __ ]
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himself for for the period of time between the 13th and the 28th when they arrested him yeah so again like you were
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saying they're interviewed on the 13th they do the search on the 13th the ballistic um results come back on the
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19th and then there's a a time period And I don't know what the time period you'd think once
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um once that test comes back the ballistic test comes back they would make AR rest right away but for some
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reason there was a delay and and Richard Allen was arrested on the 26 yeah and then what we do have here is
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documenting this is stating how some of this went down and why it went down the way that it did as
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the captain points out arrested on the 26th charges were brought on the 28th and this were for two counts of of
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murder and he's taken into custody moved to the Westville Correctional Facility this is for safekeeping as stated in the
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documents and this they say is because when he was taken into custody he was placed on suicide watch because of
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certain statements that Richard Allen made about harming himself now they go on to to talk about some of his dayto
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day at this facility in this document stating that throughout his stay his mental health
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improved to a point that he was taken off of suicide watch he was also participating in
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Recreation time and beginning to exercise the facility reports that Richard Allen was doing well and that
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they had no issues or concerns his day-to-day demeanor was that he was quiet read a lot of books did crossword
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puzzles and exercised daily on April 3rd 2023 Richard Allen made a phone call to
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his wife in that phone call Richard admits several times that he killed Abby and Libby investigators had the phone
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call transcribed and the transcription confirms that Richard Allen admits that he committed the murders of Abby and
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Libby he admits several times within the phone call that he committed the offenses as charged right his wife ends
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the phone call abruptly at some point so it sounds to me like he he he's saying it in a almost cryptic unclear way to
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his wife I committed the offenses I'm charged with and at some point may have been
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much more clear about what it is that he did in that phone call and then she hangs up on him yeah and from my
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knowledge I don't think she's been back to see him since um I had some local people that told me
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that she was at the hearings um and before this confession supposedly they were making some eye
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contact and try to communicate at the at those hearings but ever since his confession it's almost like she's not
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being responsive to him at at the the trial now at the hearings now after this confession and we also know that she has
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sold the property so I you know I don't know it's that's one of those items where it's
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like you could read a lot into it um where you go well she she knows he's going to be found guilty so she
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knows he's not going to come home maybe she can't afford that place by herself but well we we can we actually
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have information in these documents that might make that whole situation a little
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more clearer MH uh when we get to when we get to those we're trying to go through these in in the order that they
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were released primarily for the reason that it was very it would be very difficult for us to create a new order
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of of these documents with them amounting to 283 Pages MH but in this document the they're talking about then
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after this phone call where his his mental health and his demeanor was getting better leading up to this point
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and and they say since he arrived at this facility then they say after the phone
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call that Richard Allen's mental state has declined since then and this goes along with what the defense is
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stating that he should be moved to another facility but I believe that this is the the facility
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in the state's reasoning that it's not the facility that's at fault for his decline it's the
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individual who might be responsible for his decline now keep in mind his defense
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team has said in the court of law that they will challenge the the accuracy and The
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credibility of his statements that maybe he's just lost it and he's admitting to
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something that he did not do right that's that's what what they are saying now what they do agree with is with what
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the state says that here's the statements both sides reviewed them in the defense agreed yes those are
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incriminating statements well and that's the thing though is you know it's years
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of an investigation then you get you finally make an arrest the guy starts saying right away I'm innocent I'm
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innocent but as the defense has handed more and more evidence against you and obviously he's privy to that
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information it's not crazy to think that he's going to snap and eventually tell his wife you know the truth because he
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wants to protect her he wants to have her hear it from him first and then you know we talk about whether his wife is
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visiting him or not calling him but keep in mind he we don't know the setup he may have to
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be the one to initiate a call he may not be able to receive them we do know that
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he can have phone calls and conduct phone calls on this tablet that he's been given he can in fact text message
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with this tablet and he can do phone calls but we do know that he broke the tablet at some point and as
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of they're saying that that that leading up to April 3rd Richard Allen was making about two
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phone calls a day and then afterward some point he breaks the tablet he's not making any phone calls
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at all you know you look at this information and you go okay well maybe it's not just as as simple as she's cut
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off communication to him he may have broke his communication device and on top of that has decided not to have any
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more phone calls and then they go on to say that he at some point began wetting down documents that that were from his
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defense team and eating them consuming them he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] and it's and he also has refused to sleep good don't
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he was refusing to eat and refusing to sleep he would go days on end refusing to sleep he further broke the tablet
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that he used for text messages and phone calls and then it states that he went from two phone calls a day to zero to
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none at all yeah when a prisoner goes without eating it it becomes a h hunger strike and so sometimes depending on how
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long that hunger strike is they'll go back and forth on suicide watch well if he had Demands a hunger strike is only a
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hunger strike if you're you know refusing to eat's only a hunger strike if you have demands no but what I'm
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saying is if they offer him food and he just says he doesn't want to eat it that
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they can put him on they can put him in a more restrictive confined space correct cuz
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that's proof that he may be he may be up for harming himself right we all know we need to eat to
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survive so the the direct the exact statement here is Richard Allen was wetting down paperwork he had gotten
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from his attorneys and eating it he was refusing to eat and refusing to sleep now at some point that changes and he
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starts eating and sleeping again here's the thing this all sounds very crazy right I don't I'm not I don't think it
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sounds crazy I'm not a health care professional I do not know I'm not an expert don't know anything about this
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type of behavior at all and in fact we're only reading it as words on on paper we've not witnessed any of this
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we've not talk to this man but I have my suspicions sounds like he's put on a big show as the
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investigators told us during the course of this investigation that for the perpetrator
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this was always about power and this was always about control and whoever did this had the
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power over this entire community of this secret something that they only knew the
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answer to that nobody else knew so that's one form of the power that this individual would have held
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over others also the power that they may have experienced on that day while committing the
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crimes or in in other ways since then the control part to me is yeah of course they controlled the victims and
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and things of that nature and sometimes we've even seen cases where the perpetrator wants to try to control the
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the investigation or The Narrative of the crimes but for me I've always thought about this and to me I think this is is
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somewhat confirmation of this is that Richard Allen may be of the type that that he needed control because
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he had no control now not necessarily we're not talking about a puppet master situation we're talking about everybody
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it's a natural desire for all of us to feel that we are in control of our own lives and that we do have some control
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of the things around us and the events going on in our lives not me because uh Carrie Underwood taught me a great
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lesson Jesus take the wheel well I wish that I wish that that would have been the same experience for whoever whoever
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committed these crimes and in this case Richard Allen because what I think I is part of
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this behavior that we're we're being told of here is that he wants to have or feel or at least feel like he has some
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control or control of his own life maybe he's never felt 100% that way maybe that's a huge inadequacy for him and
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now he's lost even more control if there was communication back and forth between
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him and his wife and she ended that well his world just got more disrupted and what he can control the
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he's in a confined space with with very few Privileges and almost no control over
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his life at this point but one of the very few things that he can control is the stuff that sits in the
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cell with him and this may just be a way of him trying to destroy that or trying to find
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podcast all right you filthy animals cheers to you thanks for joining us here in the garage thank you one and
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all so here we go Captain th this is where we like to give a little thanks and praise to the listeners right with a
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quick shout out a quick cheers maybe we cheers one another but I I think we cheers is due to a a person that we've
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become friendly with over the past year or so and someone that I know that uh you've had the privilege of meeting in
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person at least on one occasion but in part these documents become unsealed and released to the public
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through request to the judge that we have some more transparency in this case for the media that is trying to cover it
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and one of those persons that is responsible for getting this information out into the masses is Kevin from the
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murder sheet and he he filed limited appearance by an attorney he's an attorney and this was his request for
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these documents to be unsealed and I mean the murder sheet has done great work on this case throughout the years
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and theyve used his his power as an attorney to get some documents released over the course of
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the year so just a just a I mean he's he's a great guy first of all I was lucky enough to talk to him just days
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before these documents came out such a such a cool and humble guy that he didn't tell me that he he was making a
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push for these documents to be released he just said there might be some documents coming out so uh big shout out
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to him and uh Ana and and their both of them for for all of their work on I look
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forward next time we get to sit down and eat some Nachos and Tacos but Kevin uh maybe is the world's fastest Eater of
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all time so maybe you should do one of those uh contests the hot dog contest I just tell people you know if you're
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going to eat dinner with them just don't leave your hands up on the table CU they
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he might uh Luke Skywalker you so this is one thing that we kind of teased earlier and this is a letter the
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handwritten letter from Richard Allen to the the Carroll County Circuit Court and
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this was filed in November early November of 2022 I don't know when this letter was scripted or or sent but uh I
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I'll read it to you because it's nice and short but it it also reveals some other things that we've discussed
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previously and it states and again this is from Richard Allen says in the cause listed
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above I Richard Allen hereby throw myself at the mercy of the court I am begging to be provided with legal
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assistance in a public defender or whatever help is available at my initial hearing on October 28th
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2022 I asked to find representation for myself however at the time I had no clue
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how expensive it would be just to talk to someone I also did not realize what my wife and I's immediate financial
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situation was going to be we have both been forced to immediately abandon employment myself due to incarceration
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and my wife for her personal safety she has had to abandon our house for her own
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safety what little Reserve there is will fail to even maintain the original residence that words cut off but
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assuming that's what he's yeah and just to cut you off there this is what I was saying on the last episode is there's a
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lot of speculation because she sold the property on what that means and what's going to happen in this trial and I
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would go back to this exactly letter and say look well one her safety she need to
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get out of there and two if they can't afford it put it up on the market get it sold that's done now they don't have to
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worry about that that doesn't mean he's going to plead guilty and and and and that she's preparing for him to plead
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guilty right the sale of the house for all we know could have been in the cards two three four months ago it appears
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nobody was living there for their own safety Richard Allen of course isn't living there because he's in in a cell
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and without any money coming in from employment they may have been forced to do this right it may not have been of
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their using so I think one thing that's important to we say this with all the cases not just the deli case before you
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start your speculation and then passing it off especially when this case a lot of times the speculation or rumor gets
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passed off it f as fact at some point review all of the information before you come up with an opinion on it now uh
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this here captain and I hope you will allow me to to read this in its entirety no I will skip over some of the names
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because again I don't think that they're all necessary for what's going on here but this is
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our this is our inmate that's that's going to be very vocal about what his opinion is or could be just lies could
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be the truth of the situation at this Westville Corrections Facility and this is addressed to the
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clerk of courts and this was a letter that was sent April it appears to be 11th of
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2023 and the letter States I am an inmate at the Westville Correction Facility in the same unit that Richard
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Allen is being housed in awaiting trial Richard Allen is being abused and mistreated along with other inmates in
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Westville control unit restrictive housing there are corrupt officers and ranking officers calling Richard Allen a
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kid killer teasing him that he has a visit from his his family phone is ringing on his tablet inmates in the
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cell threatening to kill Richard Allen and telling him to kill himself these inmates have made these comments in
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front of the warden in front of ranking officers and officers the staff has recorded on camera these inmates making
00:31:20
these threats and suggestions to kill himself and has done nothing to stop it so let me kind of unpack a little bit of
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this yeah but what are you going to go through and put a muzzle on everybody well exactly you can't you you can tell
00:31:37
the guys to shut up hey hey stop talking to him stop threatening him whatever but I mean
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really again I don't this does not I'm not saying I'm not applauding this type of behavior if it is happening for all
00:31:51
we know this this person that wrote this letter could be making all of this up or
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all of it could be happening but I'm not applauding this type of behavior I'm just pointing out that this does not
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seem to be anything out of the norm given the charges that this man is facing and so what it sounds like here
00:32:09
captain that this individual is stating is that the he believes or stating that the guards would tease him tease Richard
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Allen like hey guess what you got a visit from your family and then they just leave him
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sitting there and sitting there there is no visit right it it's fake um or or phoning his tablet maybe him thinking
00:32:32
that he's getting a call from a loved one or someone that that is on his side and then maybe they're hanging up uh and
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it's it's no no call at all it's just them ringing his tablet I page two says I have proof and
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evidence of assaults by ranking officers and officers on inmates abuse and mistreatment in
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grievance and the I'm I apologize some of the handwriting I cannot read here uh but going on to say that things have
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been mishandled and covered up because the Indiana Department of Corrections is allowed to police itself with their
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office of Investigations and intelligence I recently sent letters to the US Department of Justice and they go
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on to state that they have sent information to the doj and the FBI about this corruption and abuse
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that's going on in the Indiana Department of Corrections and go on to state that they sent information
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to the New York Times as well and the University School of Law so th this person is kind of raising
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the alarm here saying these the way that the inmates are being treated here is is
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not up to par it's not up to standard in fact it's it's not just that these are assaults abuse and mistreatment of the
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persons being housed here yeah and this prisoner has a reputation for being what
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they call a prison lawyer and and making these claims and and basically anytime he has a complaint
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making sure that it's noted and and is going to the right channels that doesn't mean that this
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stuff is not happening but he's just known that's his um that's his M Mo yeah that's how he passes the
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time but what we again we're not there we don't know if this is a lie of fabrication or it is happening or
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somewhere between in between but what we do know is this this inmate wrote this letter addressed it to the clerk of
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courts and we know because they stamped it and filed it that it was received by the clerk of courts so where he's
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pointing out that the the Department of Corrections in Indiana has the they police themselves what we do know is
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they allowed this document to make it to where this inmate intended to send it they if if they wanted to be
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completely corrupt and cover and completely involved in a cover up they could have very easily just taken this
00:35:21
letter and pulled a Richard Allen and wet it down and ate it and it would never have got to the clerk of courts
00:35:28
but we know that it made it there yeah or wet it down and shove it up your ass onward and upward the next line item is
00:35:37
the charging documents yes there are two of these and they're they're identical nearly identical twins of course there
00:35:45
there would should be two of them because they it's a two counts of murder right we unfortunately we have two
00:35:50
victims here and so it's a document for each count and what it's a very short description saying
00:36:00
that what Allen is charged with is is simple as this on or about February 13th 2017 in the county of Carroll the state
00:36:13
of Indiana Richard M Allen did kill another human being victim one while committing or
00:36:23
attempting to commit kidnapping of victim one document number two states the exact
00:36:29
same thing just replace victim number one with victim number two so he's being charged with killing a human being while
00:36:38
committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of those victims the thing that jumped off the page to me that I
00:36:46
thought was very intriguing is it lists the witnesses now these are not people that
00:36:53
witnessed the kidnapping or attempted kidnapping they're not people that witnessed what he is being charged
00:37:00
with this is part of the discovery right this is part of the information that will be
00:37:06
provided to the defense this is a list of witnesses that they that when this document was filed of witnesses they
00:37:16
intend to call to testify at trial and the reason why I found this to be so intriguing uh a couple things one
00:37:27
three of these Witnesses are described only as an abbreviation of their names and this
00:37:34
makes a lot of sense because that would line up with the names that were previously
00:37:40
redacted in other documents the other thing here though too is there's been a the thing that's
00:37:50
upset me and really pissed me off with this case is all of the bad rumors that come and out of Deli or maybe they
00:37:59
originated elsewhere but they just seem to swirl around and swirl around and swirl around and to the to the point
00:38:07
where some people then interpret them as fact the one one of the the rumors has been and and this may come about who
00:38:15
knows but what I can state is from this document it does not appear to be the case the rumor has been that that
00:38:26
Richard 's daughter will be testifying in court and and may be be testifying for the state that that she is a part of
00:38:36
the state's case her name is not on this document yeah rightfully so right well it they according to this
00:38:47
document they have no intention of calling her to the stand right well it's such a small community I think that if
00:38:54
these eyewitnesses and their identity gets out that they're going to get pressure from the community or they're
00:39:01
going to get pressure from the the defense well their names are out there now um they're so again these are not
00:39:11
necessarily eyewitnesses to the crime or anything of that nature these are just people that the state intends to call to
00:39:19
the stand now these again these names could we we could add names to this later that's their right they could also
00:39:25
remove the names but as the filing of this document there are 23 people that are listed as people that they intend to
00:39:34
call to the stand and the other thing too we we got to be perfectly clear just because the state intends to call
00:39:41
somebody to the stand does not mean that they are a witness for the state's case
00:39:46
it's just simply that they have knowledge that the state wants to be presented at trial right right so they
00:39:55
are the the reason why this rumor comes about with the daughter again could be true I've not seen anything that makes
00:40:01
it a hardcore fact but one degree of separation is Richard Allen's wife is listed on this
00:40:10
document again everybody the public needs to understand that does not mean that Richard Allen's wife intends to get
00:40:16
on the stand and build the state's case against her husband likely and we see this all the
00:40:24
time in murder trials she's being called by the state to back up and to verify all of the information
00:40:32
where she is listed in court documents the search warrant the affidavit for the search warrant because she her
00:40:41
statements to police are part of the reasons why they were seeking that search warrant to begin
00:40:47
with Mrs Allen in October of 2022 you were interviewed by the sheriff's at the sheriff's department is that correct yes
00:40:57
during the course of that interview did you agree with the statement from the sheriff's department that your husband
00:41:04
had guns and knives in his home in your home yes yes that's likely the most the most likely reason why she's being
00:41:12
called now would you try to Pepper her with some other questions that could really throw this dude under the bus
00:41:18
well yeah because you could ask her about the confession so exactly and you and you have a transcript of that which
00:41:26
will be you said how many documents were were it was decided would not be included in this release I think it was
00:41:34
18 or 19 and you know what I captain I wonder if those transcripts are part of that because they state in these
00:41:42
documents that they have a transcription of that phone call and other phone calls yeah that's definitely something I
00:41:49
think they're going to have to wait to sift through at trial I mean this is you know we we started covering this
00:41:56
case from the beginning you have y when you're investigating any of these cases you you start coming out with questions
00:42:04
on on your own and it seems like the these 20 what 83 documents or Star to 283 Pages it's 20
00:42:14
yeah two 283 pages but 283 pages of information it's painting a picture of what happened and you know
00:42:25
one of the things that I thought was strange um this was pointed out to me by our Bud buddy fig
00:42:34
sves is one of the things they say is from Richard M Allen's statements investigators believe that Richard M
00:42:43
Allen was also on his phone when he was on the uh when he was on the trail prior to
00:42:53
meeting the girls now this could be a nothing Burger because this might just be what they're
00:43:00
they're calling it he but meeting is kind of a weird term don't you think because that it's almost implying that
00:43:07
there was a a meeting set up for them to meet yeah that that's a real interesting
00:43:12
way of wording it now we do know from previous documentation that he has told law enforcement that he was on his phone
00:43:20
but not on a phone call he was checking stocks checking the stock ticker but yeah I mean like that's that's something
00:43:27
that's fascinating and it could just be that they use the wrong terminology but I think they would have to be pretty
00:43:33
careful when they're releasing this stuff to the public but he says meeting the girls yeah uh again
00:43:42
nothing nothing in the documents so far that proves that there was we don't think PR communication yes we don't
00:43:52
think that there was a meeting or prior communication but very interesting the wording of that Captain because I think
00:43:58
you and I would agree our definition of meeting would imply that it was previously arranged by both parties
00:44:04
right that they would they would meet at the same location at the same time now one thing I'm having a hard time with
00:44:11
and this is more of just a plea to the masses to to help me keep my some keep a grasp on my own sanity too late well
00:44:24
part of it you're nut so yeah it's a for this guy it is certainly a short drive to Crazy Town but there's
00:44:32
a couple of our listeners that I love but you know what you're you're not helping me keep a firm grasp on that
00:44:39
sanity it is July right is that what they tell us it's July of 2023 Richard Allen was arrested last
00:44:49
year this thing is marching its way toward a a double homicide trial and and I am still receiving emails that
00:44:59
tell me that the mayor killed Libby and Abby uh I addressed it in the book in my
00:45:06
book the deli murders and please just I love my favorite part of doing this show one of my favorite
00:45:16
Parts I love the research I love working with the captain but one of my other favorite Parts is engaging with the
00:45:21
listeners and having a good back and forth that's why crime conon so much fun F book signings fun our event at Brew
00:45:29
dog that we've done two years in a row a blast for me because I get I I love the
00:45:33
questions I love people telling me their theories I love people telling me what we do right and do wrong on the show I
00:45:40
love all that that ship is sailed we I don't I do not need another email telling me that
00:45:46
the mayor was responsible what we are talking about today is Richard Allen and talking about
00:45:53
the charges against him in fact I I I deleted this from my notes for today Captain uh cuz I told myself on my drive
00:46:02
here to the garage I wasn't going to bring this up but here I am liar foot and mouth liar liar pants on fire foot
00:46:10
and mouth and I'm talking about it anyway but I believe is his name Shane Evans the uh
00:46:17
okay and and I don't know if he's the current mayor at some point I kept I lost I I I stopped keeping track of
00:46:24
Shane Evans he's not a good suspect uh yeah at the one press conference when they zoom in on his face he does look
00:46:30
like he's about to get sick I can agree with that statement he looks very uncomfortable at that press conference
00:46:37
watch the other faces they look rather uncomfortable as well Shane Evans is a young dude and you know what I found
00:46:43
myself in this situation more than once I'm not saying that Shane Evans did this
00:46:47
I found myself in the situation where maybe I went out the night before a long day of work and and didn't realize how
00:46:53
long of a day it's going to be or how how how serious the day was going to be and I stayed out a little too late had a
00:47:00
two few many soda pops and found myself in a situation where I'm a little dehyd hydrated tired hung over um I've
00:47:08
probably had that face that he had in several meetings that I've been in especially in my 20s and 30s
00:47:16
now I believe he might be working with the prosecutor I don't know if he became the
00:47:23
the City attorney or what but I've seen his name in an attorney capacity on some
00:47:31
of these documents as said though I I I have deleted them from my notes Here for
00:47:37
today yeah but there's this is how it always works I mean whatever evidence comes out some
00:47:44
people some people need to double down and just be right when this investigation first started look they
00:47:52
show you a picture guy on the bridge then they're interviewing the guy the guy that owns the property that the
00:48:01
victims are found on and he's dressed just like the guy on the bridge and so a lot of people jump to
00:48:08
the conclusion well this guy's lying to law enforcement they're found on his property he
00:48:14
looks uh and is dressed like Bridge guy Ron Logan must have killed these girls and no matter what information or what
00:48:22
evidence comes out they're going to stick to their guns on their initial belief but that's not trying to get to
00:48:31
the truth and I don't know and I think it's very disrespectful to the victims Abby and Libby deserve
00:48:39
for all of us to look at the evidence that is coming out and try to find uh justice and peace for them and their
00:48:48
family yeah the the well said there Captain and the the last document that I had for review
00:48:57
is the certificate of analysis we talked about this a little bit earlier the states case against Richard Allen the
00:49:06
biggest part of that case is this unspent shell that was found at the murder scene and their statement of
00:49:16
through our search and seizure of his home we found a gun we found identical in uh ammunition and we tested those and
00:49:27
came to the conclusion that the the marks on the the live round at the found at the
00:49:34
scene came from his gun so just to put this more in in uh terms that that that will be in the courts and the way that
00:49:46
the courts sees it is this comes from the Indianapolis Regional laboratory in Indianapolis
00:49:53
Indiana and the as you pointed out earlier captain that these tests were conducted and then
00:50:01
there was some time that expired before the arrest of Richard Allen and then charging him two days later so as you
00:50:09
point out he's arrested on the 26 I pointed out charged on the 28th this certificate of analysis is
00:50:17
dated October 19th uh they performed these tests from the 14th to to the 19th according to
00:50:26
this document and the tests were on a cartridge in item 016 identified as having been cycled in
00:50:36
the firearm in item 314 so those are numbers of the inventory of the items seized from his home item 314 would be
00:50:46
the the handgun the six hour handgun and the remarks the statements by the person conducting the analysis
00:50:55
says or conducting the test their remarks are an identification opinion is reached when
00:51:05
the evidence exhibits an agreement of class characteristics and a sufficient agreement of individual marks sufficient
00:51:13
agreement is related to the significant duplication of random impressed marks as
00:51:20
evidenced by the correspondence of a pattern or combination of patterns of surface Contours the interpretation of
00:51:28
identification is subjective in nature again that means opinion Nat subjective in nature and based on
00:51:37
relevant scientific research and the reporting examiners training and experience so they're stating here
00:51:45
method methodology used to reach results opinions and interpretations microscopic
00:51:52
comparisons so that is what the case is going to be built around as far as physical evidence goes and then we have
00:51:59
these potential eyewitness statements and then the 23 people that we know that at one point at least the state intends
00:52:08
to call to the stand to back up information that they have found in their investigation which led them to
00:52:14
the doorstep of Richard Al want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage a little bit of a
00:52:36
different episode but but fascinating to look into these documents and to see what weight this is going to have on the
00:52:44
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