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breed of true crime story the lack of answers or closure for most of us is enthralling but even if you fall into a
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different category and you find disappearance stories unappealing the case we are discussing will change your
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mind this is a missing persons case so perplexing and so unpredictable the thousands around the world have been
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riveted by the inexplicable disappearance of this young woman this is a case but far more questions than
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answers a story in which no one is even sure when it began yet it is a tale rife
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with clues intrigue and evidence in many missing persons cases we discuss there is some foreshadowing in the victims of
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life that something bad is going to happen maybe they were going through personal turmoil or they were in abusive
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relationship maybe they were making questionable choices or leading an unsafe lifestyle
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sometimes a person is unhappy and they choose to run away or maybe they spiral into addiction or worse we're going to
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say this up front none of this was the case here with this missing persons case this is true crime garage and this is a
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case of Jennifer Cassie [Music] Jennifer was born on May 20th 1981 two loving parents Drew and Joyce Cassie she
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her parents and her younger brother Logan were incredibly close Jennifer was born in New Jersey but the family moved
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to Tampa Florida when she was a child as a kid Jennifer was always very responsible and
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well behaved she got good grades had a ton of friends and she got along with her parents
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Jennifer truly was a golden child with blonde hair big blueish green eyes she grew up to be 5 foot 7 or 5 foot 8 tall
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130 pounds she graduated high school and moved on to the University of Central Florida where she majored in finance
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after switching from pre-med Jennifer worked hard and was serious about her schooling and ambitions when she
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graduated in 2003 she had multiple job offers she accepted a job with CFI westgate Resorts in Ocoee this is a
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massive timeshare company where she had interned while in college she recently was promoted to manager of process
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engineering at the age of 24 she was the youngest employee to earn a promotion to
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management she was working on streamlining a new mortgage debt system installed by the company the CFI
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Westgate owner is David Segal a somewhat showy I have to laugh at my own words here a very showy individual he's well
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known he's a multimillionaire who built a house so large 90,000 square feet that
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it was featured in the documentary the queen of Versailles which if you haven't seen that it is total like guilty
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pleasure sit down eat popcorn drink beer watch that documentary Jennifer loved her job and had good friends in the
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division of the huge company she were she was a creature of habit many people would probably describe her as type a
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she was the kind of person who left for work at the same time every day who planned her outfits in advance who had
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common sense and who was not afraid to stand up for herself and speak her mind right although Jennifer was
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self-confident independent and didn't take crap from anyone she was also fun Jennifer had a lot of
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friends both from childhood and her sorority in college all of whom described her as a wonderful person who
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was a great and loyal friend and who could be counted on she was obsessed with the New York Giants and insisted on
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watching every game she loved the Dave Matthews Band shopping and the beach Jennifer made an amazing mac and cheese
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and drank beer and loved to dress up and go out at night but she was always in bed at a decent hour and at work on time
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the next day Jen had a tiny tattoo of a shamrock on her left hip I found this interesting I have a couple of friends
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like this that have a lot of safety measures that they take some precautions that they take seems like Jennifer was
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really into that yeah she has been described as very cautious and also aware of her surroundings she never
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walked alone at night if she could help it always locked her car doors and carried pepper spray which was purchased
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for her and all of her friends by her father drew some of this is attributable to her parents who having been mugged at
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gunpoint years earlier they were sure to teach their daughter about safety and awareness some of it was because
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Jennifer was a big fan and watched a lot of Law & Order SVU which will if you watch enough of it will scare the crap
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out of anybody Jennifer's mother even says that Jen knew to deliberately crash her car in the event that she was
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carjacked to set off the airbags and have a chance to escape she also knew that in the event she was
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ever placed in the car trunk that most trunks have internal latches or you can kick out the taillights to attract
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attention right up until November 2005 Jennifer lived with her friend and roommate in Metro West it's a planned
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community but her roommate was getting married so she needed to move on right around
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Thanksgiving 2005 24 year old Jennifer purchased her first home for two hundred and seven thousand dollars this was a
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condo in a complex called mosaic at millenia reign that was being converted from apartments to condos in the height
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of the Florida real estate bubble yeah but this area wasn't super great it was located by a mall a new mall this
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is what I call when you have a an area that's trying to be a nicer area and it's also kind of surrounded by pupi
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areas that's those are real estate terms now poopy yeah you don't live here it's
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kind of poopy half of the complex was still being constructed and the other half was being converted over from
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apartments to updated condos now Jennifer's unit number 2 2 to 6 was in building 22 on the second of three
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floors Logan Cassie described the mosaic and millennia as a literal construction zone
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this complex was located at 3573 Conroy Road and featured multiple buildings fronted on a very large pond and had an
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even larger wooded area behind the complex Jennifer's parents helped her pick out the place it was right across
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the street as the captain said from a fancy new shopping mall called the mall at millennia which featured retail shops
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and eateries the newspapers at the time described the mosaic at millenia as quote
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upscale gated and fenced but it's a fair statement to say that the area was just
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newly becoming nice and that it bordered on some areas that were not so upscale yeah well it's also not gated at the
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time because there's so much construction going on there are gates they are not being closed or used
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properly and we'll get into that heavily later right some of the neighboring areas have even been described as
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sketchy or poo pee or poop mosaic and millennia is your typical pastel colored Florida stucco buildings with open-air
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hallways leading to the condos this was still a major construction zone just like her brother described and this
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place was not close to maximum capacity news reports from 2006 indicate that only about 250 of close to 500 units
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were full and only one other condo on Jennifers floor was even occupied many of the condos were still being renovated
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and were empty and in fact it came out later that many of the workers that were employed in the construction project
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were permitted to live or stay for a while in these empty condos while they worked the job one well-known story is
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that Jennifer who had only been living in her new condo for about three months when she vanished had told friends and
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family that while she loved her new place this was a very nice condo by the way with a balcony overlooking a pond
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granite countertops in her own laundry room she did not like the workers she told people that the workmen can't call
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to her and whistled when they saw her for anyone especially a young woman living alone this is quite an
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uncomfortable situation her parents who lived about two hours away encouraged her to report this behavior to the
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managers office but it does not seem that Jennifer ever did so Jennifer refused to allow anyone into her condo
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when she was not home but when she first moved in her condo needed some finishing
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touches like paint and plaster so she would come home from work on her lunch break let the workers in and stand there
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with the door open to the hallway on the phone with a friend or her parents while
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the men worked she always locked up after she left there seems to be no way to track who all the workers were
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on-site at the time some of them were undocumented workers with no papers who were probably doing a lot of work under
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the table right there were no surveillance cameras in place at the complex just yet
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well like you said some of the workers were permitted to stay and the empty buildings correct but I guarantee you
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there was other workers that were staying that weren't allowed or people to even know that they were stained
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who's to say that this worker staying in a condo or in a unit couldn't have friends over or people that that worker
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knew right you know staying for a weekend or a couple of days it's just there's a lot of things going on in this
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condo complexes of what we're trying to point out that there's no real checks and balances of these types of
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activities and movements and there was also virtually no security at the armless gate when Jennifer lived at
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mosaic at millenia the unfinished work in progress nature of the buildings meant that lots of workers gardeners
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maintenance workers and so on were constantly coming and going no one kept track and according to the cases when
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Jennifer disappeared and her story broke all over the news many of the workers seem to just disappear or evaporate they
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did not want to be under scrutiny even if they were not involved in any way in her disappearance Jennifer had been
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dating someone for about a year when she disappeared this was Rob Allen he's an English
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soccer player who lived in Fort Lauderdale almost three hours away they had met at the tiki bar in downtown
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Orlando in 2005 rob was eight years older than Jennifer but the two seemed to be a good match
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since Jennifer was somewhat mature for her 24 years of age they spoke multiple times every day and
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the two of them alternated trips to stay with each other taking turns every weekend Rob figures heavily into this
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story into the story of Jennifer's disappearance since he was the last known person to speak with her Rob has
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grown very close with the kesi family and remains so to this day long back to your one point it's really hard to have
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undocumented workers because we don't know what kind of criminal history that they have and so in this case - we have
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the undocumented workers staying in the same complex as the owners yeah and the other thing I want to point out - to top
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all of that off we have the the false sense of security that some of the optics provides for the condo owners
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right there's they are sold that this place is gated and secure I'm here to tell you it's neither and there seems to
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be no question of what happened to Jennifer Cassie in January of 2006 Jennifer was abducted everyone including
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the Orlando Police Department agrees to this but the remaining questions surrounding her disappearance is who
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took her how did they take her and even when did they take her all this is unknown even to this day let's go
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through the timeline of the disappearance of Jennifer Cassie to establish what we know and what we do
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not know on Wednesday January 18th 2006 Jennifer drove from Orlando to her boyfriend Rob Allen's and Fort
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Lauderdale this was after work on Thursday January 19th the two of them flew from Fort
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Lauderdale to st. Croix for some are are they stayed in a condo there this is with family friends of Rob's photos of
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the to show them doing the usual vacation type things there at the pool they're relaxing in the sunshine they
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were scheduled to fly back to Fort Lauderdale on Sunday but for whatever reason their flight was canceled so
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after some scrambling around they managed to get a flight to Miami and have a friend to pick them up to make
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the 40-minute drive back to Rob's place Jennifer got up at 6 a.m. on Monday and after Rob filled the gas tank her gas
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tank and her black Chevy Malibu for her she made the three hour drive north all the way up to Orlando and went straight
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to work that day according to Jennifer's work colleagues she had a normal day at
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work she raved about her trip and said she didn't want to leave around 6:00 p.m. she stopped in and said good night
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to her boss this is John Willman she got in her car and drove the 12 miles home her car's transponder said that she went
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through the usual toll at 6:15 p.m. that day do you know how many miles it is from our boyfriend's house to her house
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it's a little over 200 miles now while she was in her car on her way home from work she did call her parents Drew and
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Joyce to tell them about her trip she also spoke with her brother Logan who was living with their parents at the
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time right Jennifer had given Logan a set of keys to her condo he was just 21 at the time and Jen had given permission
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for him to stay at her place while she was away this is with some of his buddies with Logan at Jennifer's place
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that weekend was Travis bourguignon a longtime family friend of the Cassie's and joining the two of them was a guy
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named Matt this is Jennifer's ex-boyfriend Logan and Matt remained friends despite Matt and Jennifer
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breaking up Matt didn't actually stay at Jen's condo he lived in Orlando so he's very close
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only about 30 minutes away he just hung out there with the other two guys the family says that Matt took the break-up
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with Jennifer very hard and he continued to pursue Jennifer for quite some time yeah it's not clear where things stood
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in January of 2006 because we know that Jennifer had been dating Rob for seems like years or over a year and rumors are
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that Matt had moved on to a new girlfriend right on the phone with Jennifer Logan told
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Jen that Travis his buddy had inadvertently left his work cell phone at her condo and he needed it for
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work ASAP Jennifer agreed to find it at her place and she was going to FedEx it or UPS it to Travis the next day the
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family is unequivocal about this Jennifer planned to bring Travis's cellphone to her work with her on
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Tuesday and send it out at that time right again Jennifer's family says she was a creature of habit
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so they can predict or they say they can predict what she did next she arrived at
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home at the condos at millenia and parked in her designated spot this is number 22 26 the same as her condo unit
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that was very near the bottom of the stairwell that went up to the second floor where her condo was it's literally
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a matter of maybe 30 feet to her spot from the stairs yeah it was dark out when she arrived home she brought in her
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luggage from her trip which was later found still packed in her condo she checked her mail which was also found in
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her condo at the main office on her way in it isn't known whether she ate anything her parents say that there were
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no takeout containers in the trash so perhaps she just ate something from the fridge which did have food in it
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right and it likely changed into her sweats which she always wore at night when home then got on the phone
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yeah Jennifer's gonna get on the phone but her condo had notoriously bad cell phone service according to her parents
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the phone or her cell phone only really worked and this would be sporadically when she
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was out on the balcony so when at home Jennifer would usually use her landline the Orlando police have all of her phone
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records but have never released or discussed them in fact the Orlando Police Department has been incredibly
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tight-lipped about this entire case releasing virtually no information this has resulted in a major legal dispute
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now that night Jen spoke with her best friend from childhood this is Lauren McCarthy the two were as close as
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sisters and shared everything Lauren told IDs disappeared that Jennifer told her on the phone that she had a great
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time on her trip but this she and Rob were actually having some trouble mainly with the distance that they live from
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one another the distance between was providing this trouble and neither one of them wanted
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to move to correct this right this of course anybody's a problem yeah anybody that's been in a long-distance
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relationship understands that this is a very common situation Jennifer may have talked to other friends at night but we
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don't know for sure as said they've not released the call records but we do know
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that Rob told the police and Jen's family that the two of them had a phone conversation on Jen's landline as they
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did basically every night this one was at 9:57 p.m. Jen told Rob that she was in bed when they spoke the two argued on
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the phone a bit it isn't known exactly what they discussed but Lauren told Greta Van Susteren they
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Jen was quote feeling the distance and quote Rob and Jen wanted to be together but neither was willing to commit to
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moving Rob later said that he wished that he had told Jennifer he loved her in the year that they were dating since
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he hadn't it's possible that she was questioning his commitment and it sparked an argument in any event Rob was
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the last known person to speak with Jennifer and this is the last of the concrete facts for that night again this
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[Music] all right we are back cheers mates Cheers now the next morning Tuesday January
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24th 2006 Jennifer had an important meeting at work this was scheduled for 11:00 a.m. her typical routine was to
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leave for work between 7:30 and 7:45 she may have left early on that morning if she intended to stop at a FedEx to send
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off Travis's phone but it is more likely that she intended to do as she said and
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make use of the FedEx services at work Rob and Jennifer always spoke by phone in the mornings when they were apart
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Jennifer would call him from the phone on her way to the office here's what Rob told Nancy Grace quote every day she
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would either call me just to say good morning have a great day or just text me to wish me to you know have a good day
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love you that type of thing and when I didn't receive it Tuesday morning I thought it was odd and quote Rob chalked
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Jen's being m.i.a up to being busy just getting back into the swing of things after this short little vacation right
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but after a while he called her cell this was before his 9:00 a.m. meeting at work and he got her voicemail he tried
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again a little later but got the same result Jennifer didn't show up for her 11:00 a.m. meaning not only was this
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totally out of character it was completely unheard of Jennifer was known for her punctuality and if she had
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planned on missing work at all she would have called in to say so after calling her cellphone and repeatedly getting her
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voicemail her boss John Willman had the IT department check her computer calendar
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and it showed that she knew about the meeting that day and had planned on attending it was so unusual for her to
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be absent without any explanation at all right that her boss ended up calling Jennifer's parents and sometimes in
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cases we see that people not taking action right away and you gotta applaud her boss for doing so I I do applaud her
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boss for doing so but I do want to point out it seems to me like look with with these very popular cases the ones that
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are more well-known right you know there's hundreds of thousands of eyes and ears on these things I've noticed
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though it seems like the employers or whoever notifies whomever or does not notify anyone they're like vilified
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either way right because I've seen especially in this case where they're like well after only a few hours why are
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they reaching out to her parents they saying that it seems unusual no and I feel like look we you and I and all
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these other people that are questioning this behavior they do not know Jennifer Casey they do not know the relationship
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between her and her employer and the people she worked with the co-workers we don't know that we're going off of
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reports so I bring that up only because I don't find it to be strange and I think that it might given this situation
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in what we're told about Jennifer and about this company and her co-workers it might be more strange that they didn't
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call anybody and keep in mind this is after repeated attempts of trying to reach Jennifer herself right and I think
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if I was working with people in general and opposed to animals as opposed to you
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you feel the animal or even you know if we're supposed to get together to record
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in the garage and you didn't show up and you didn't call and then I called you and that went right to voicemail
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multiple times I try to get ahold of somebody in your family well some reports say that
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this call to the parents was either because joyce cassie was listed as Jen's emergency contact and some say it was
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because John Willman was a friend of Drew Cassie's either way Jennifer's parents were notified does she had not
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shown up for work or for this meeting right and this was reason enough for them to go into panic mode
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Joyce Cassie was at a Kinkos at the time copying materials for her work presentation that day when she got the
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call she walked out immediately leaving everything behind to be shredded Jennifer's parents called both her cell
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phone and her home phone and of course we know that they're receiving no answers her cell phone went directly to
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voicemail drew Cassie told Nancy Grace that this was the first time in eight years that Jen had a cell phone that she
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did not answer his call right drew was stuck at home waiting for Travis to get back from the gym with Drew's car Travis
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hadn't taken his phone and drew didn't know the name of the gym so drew made some phone calls first to the Orlando
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Police Department then to the property manager at mosaic at millenia the property manager reported that
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Jennifer's car was not in its parking spot at the Cassie's request he knocked on Jen's door and then opened it and
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looked around and said he didn't see anything unusual when he reported this the Cassie's became very alarmed drew
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and Joyce and Logan and their friend Travis and two separate cars set out for Orlando which would be a
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two-hour drive on the way Joyce called Rob and some of Jennifer's friends who had not heard from her either and she
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also called hospitals in the area thinking perhaps Jennifer was in an accident well think about what her
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brother's going through at this moment - you're really close with your sister and your dad is saying hey look we're
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gonna be taking a drive cuz your sister's missing I'd be frightening stuff right and he had just stayed there
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at her place that weekend right Travis and Logan arrived at mosaic at Millenia around 3:00 p.m. and the Cassie's
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arrived around 3:15 Rob also arrived on the scene they convened in Jennifer's condo where this is what they found
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okay they found the door was locked when they arrived it was also reported to be
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locked when the complex manager checked on it right from what I can gather one needs a key to lock the door from the
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outside so either Jen locked it or someone used her key to do so right but just to be clear I'm assuming her
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parents had a key I don't know if her parents had a key I think they may have but we do know that Logan had a key
00:37:23
frankish he stayed there that last weekend the lights were off Jennifer's bed was unmade now laid out
00:37:31
on the bed were to work out fits in the tan and black color scheme her new Nine West alligator pumps were missing this
00:37:42
is interesting and this is this could be key here this is a pair of shoes that her mother was well aware of these are
00:37:50
shoes that they had discussed on the phone many times remember Joyce and Jennifer have a daily phone call her
00:37:58
luggage from her trip was still in the hallway remember it's still packed at this time she had not unpacked her
00:38:04
luggage from that short weekend trip her mail was on the counter and some of the
00:38:09
junk mail was in the trash which was otherwise empty other than this junk mail there was no evidence that Jen had
00:38:17
ate anything for dinner was not obvious that that took place but we would later learn that she had not used her credit
00:38:24
or debit cards and there were no containers or dishes lying about the clothes she wore to work on Monday were
00:38:33
hanging over the back of a chair her t-shirt and underwear which her family says she normally wore this
00:38:41
type of thing to bed they were on the bathroom floor and our contact case was empty and they found her glasses I'm
00:38:48
assuming on the bathroom counter yes they were on the bathroom sink counter in the contact lenses case was found to
00:38:55
be empty her makeup and hair dryer were on the bathroom sink as well and you know it's thought that where these items
00:39:05
were left that someone had possibly recently used them or use them that morning in the shower there were still
00:39:12
puddles of water this is in the corner shelf areas surrounding the shampoo and cleanser bottles there was a damp towel
00:39:21
draped over the washing machine in the laundry room a portable can of pepper spray was on
00:39:27
the kitchen counter remember we discussed earlier that she carried pepper spray on her keychain this was
00:39:35
purchased for her by her father but he is guessing that Jennifer had to leave it at home since she could not bring it
00:39:45
on the airplane on the flight to st. Croix right that would make sense take it off the keychain and for whatever
00:39:51
reason it's still sitting there which is it's got to be driving the parents nuts
00:39:57
she's missing they're checking out her apartment pepper spray on the countertop the evidence we have right now you can
00:40:04
go well she talked to her boyfriend at night she probably slept in her bed it seems like then she woke up she got
00:40:11
ready for work we have the puddles in the shower got the wet towel it seems as if everything would add up that she left
00:40:22
the apartment my mind would immediately go to in this makes sense as to why Joyce called the area hospitals with her
00:40:32
car not being there and the appearance that she got ready for work and probably kept to her routine my mind would
00:40:39
immediately go to either we're just missing something here and she arrived incredibly late at work for some reason
00:40:46
or she was involved in a vehicle accident on her way to work and we can't find her get a hold of her
00:40:54
that's where my mind would go to in that that instance well again this is why I think people need to jump into action
00:41:01
because let's say it was some thing where Jennifer was going to work and her phone was messed up and she decided to
00:41:09
stop and get a new phone before she got to work and she was running late so she couldn't call because let's say the
00:41:17
phone stopped working on the way to work or whatever that eventually you're gonna
00:41:21
find her safe and you're gonna go well maybe we overreacted but it's better than to under act right right exactly
00:41:30
well the there was a bottle of rum then apparently Jennifer told her father she had purchased for him in st. Croix they
00:41:39
find this as a daughter on the counter and the condo directly across from Jennifer's was found to be unlocked
00:41:48
logan her brother found this and went inside and he said that it was empty and found that the condo unit had no
00:41:58
carpeting according to her parents Drew and Joyce Jennifer was a morning shower person she always showered before work
00:42:06
and never showered in the evening so after seeing what we just said they observed in the condo they came to the
00:42:15
conclusion that Jennifer probably woke up for work on the morning of the 24th showered as usual got ready for work we
00:42:23
talked about what was there at the con of what they found in the condo but let's talk about what was missing
00:42:29
because what's missing from the condo clinched this belief for them that she got up performed her normal morning
00:42:36
routine and then something happened here's what was missing Travis's nextel cellphone which Jennifer had told Logan
00:42:46
she would FedEx from work the next day Jennifer's cell phone this is a Verizon LG flip phone Jennifer's purse which
00:42:55
included her driver's license her iPod which apparently she took this with her everywhere her car keys
00:43:04
there are car keys are on the same ring as her house key and her male key Jennifer's briefcase was also missing
00:43:11
which is often left in her car or even in her car trunk sometimes overnight this is according to her friends and her
00:43:21
car is missing this is a Chevy Malibu right and I would bet that everyone is kind of thinking the same thing here
00:43:30
everything that was missing Jennifer would have taken with her to work that day but as we know she never made it
00:43:38
there so what the hell happened yeah what happened and when did it happen yeah and that's really a big piece of
00:43:45
this case I believe it's I mean it's a huge missing puzzle piece really what we have here captain is we have a 9:57 p.m.
00:43:55
phone call that ends and we have an 11:00 a.m. meeting that she was scheduled to attend that meeting seems
00:44:04
to set off all these alarm bells that she is not where she is supposed to be right and that there's something going
00:44:11
on so that gives us a 13 hour window of time when something went wrong now right
00:44:19
but we can start assuming with the evidence that she slept in our bed and she woke up at some point and she was
00:44:25
heading to work possibly the other thing you can do here is instead of working with the 13 hour window of time we can
00:44:33
assume that maybe we could - three hours or so off of that because her regular time to arrive at work would be roughly
00:44:42
8 a.m. right so you know now we're working with a 10-hour window and about don't you think the evidence and our
00:44:50
condo suggests that she once slept there and then - got ready for work yes Eileen
00:44:57
I certainly lean that way there are plenty of people that make good strong arguments for something could have
00:45:03
happened late that night and I think it's worth examining but I'm with you I feel like the evidence that we see
00:45:11
points to everything was normal up until the time she was supposed to leave for work or
00:45:17
just before yeah I think maybe he it's a I don't know if they did this but clean
00:45:24
just test the towel and if it's her DNA and then you would start assuming again that she took a shower in the morning
00:45:31
and not at at 10:00 p.m. I can say that was not done right so we just don't know
00:45:39
now is probably a good time to discuss Jennifer's parents Drew and Joyce Cassie it's safe to say they were not the
00:45:48
typical powerless family members of victims that sometimes we see in these cases who have no choice but to put
00:45:54
their faith in law enforcement and wait patiently for answers as far as the Cassie's are concerned Jennifer's
00:46:01
disappearance understandably so was an unmitigated disaster and they were not going to take it lying down they
00:46:11
immediately became activists outspoken advocates outspoken advocates for their daughter's case as drew told a CNN
00:46:20
reporter in 2009 quote we both have big mouths we know how to use them and we will do everything within our power to
00:46:28
give her the best chance of being found drew and Joyce are both smart articulate
00:46:34
motivated and in Drew's case somewhat intense people being realistic about why people abduct women drew said they
00:46:44
abduct them to rape them and kill them they sprang into action immediately yeah I mean from one of these things I heard
00:46:52
him say was they don't kidnap Oh a female to just put her in the corner and look at her yeah yeah but at least he's
00:47:01
being real least he's being honest and I think that's also cry out to the public
00:47:05
if somebody took her the chances are the the reasons they took her for very bad reasons yeah and that's and this needs
00:47:14
to be some this needs to be important right and it's an it's important that he remind the public of what the likely
00:47:23
actions were by the offender because somebody may have knowledge there's just no victim's name attached
00:47:30
to that knowledge sometimes people brag or tell stories and they tell of their actions but they don't say who they did
00:47:37
that to right and this is a case where we need help from the public the Cassy's immediately dropped
00:47:45
everything in their lives this is an interesting move but I think it shows the level of their commitment to finding
00:47:53
their daughter finding out what happened to their daughter and their intelligence
00:47:57
as well they moved into Jennifer's condo I actually lived there full-time for several months while they pushed law
00:48:07
enforcement to find their girl this is good for many reasons I really believe that the the condo complex is at the
00:48:15
center of this whole case so if there was any knowledge to learn about that condo complex or who may be going in and
00:48:23
out of there one could gain that knowledge by living there by being there after hours being
00:48:30
there on the weekends so on and so forth but on top of that they live in Tampa mmm it's gonna be a mess to try to keep
00:48:38
law enforcement on top of their daughter's case and be two hours away from 2006 until the present day
00:48:47
they have been constant a constant thorn in the side of the Orlando Police Department they hired private
00:48:55
investigators they put flyers everywhere they held press conferences they got Jennifer's
00:49:01
face on the sides of buses in Orlando they handed out playing cards with Jennifer's face two prisoners to try to
00:49:09
drum up tips and I wasn't just her face they ended up taking a a bunch of different missing people and putting
00:49:18
them on the cards it shows the level of their just the goodness in their hearts well yeah they're trying to help their
00:49:26
daughter's case and other missing persons case right but also the sophistication that their brains can
00:49:32
think hey we we have heard that sometimes by this is a tactic that people use and then why prisoners are
00:49:40
playing with the cards somebody comes out and says hey I know this person drew even got miked up and went into
00:49:48
death row to meet with a prisoner who claimed he had information sadly it turns out this was just a hoax well was
00:49:58
this the guy that he he was on death row but he claimed to know things about a lot of different cases and and I think
00:50:09
this is the guy that they said if he brings up whoever mm-hmm that you'll know right away that it's
00:50:17
the whole story is bullsh he had nothing to do with it or has no not right but sing it again put your brain and to the
00:50:25
the mind of the the Father you have this beautiful daughter she's gone missing he
00:50:31
have no answers hey there's this guy on death row he might know something you know this guy is a bad manage Amma right
00:50:39
and you have to get miked up and go into a room with them and then knowing if he
00:50:45
brings up so-and-so that the whole story is [ __ ] and so you're hopeful that you get some kind of information or some
00:50:53
kind of lead and you're sitting across the table from this creep oh and then he brings up that name and then it be want
00:51:02
to talk about roller coaster of emotions the whole time and it's been going on for many years
00:51:07
they set up a Facebook page or Facebook pages and established the Jennifer Cassie calm website which is still very
00:51:16
active today if anybody wants to look that up it's it's Jennifer J E and n I fer Cassie is ke SSE calm they contacted
00:51:28
every consulate in the United Nations as a result jen is listed as missing on Interpol and ViCAP the Cassie's
00:51:39
documented everything they came across in their search for their daughter and they participated in countless TV
00:51:46
specials news stories and podcasts to raise awareness of their daughter's disappearance
00:51:52
eventually the Cassie's would be forced to sue the Orlando Department before we get too far along
00:52:01
captain I want to make sure that we do our due diligence here we have to give credit for much of the information the
00:52:08
good information anyway in this case this is due to some of the sources we have already mentioned but a big garage
00:52:17
cheers has to go out to the podcast unconcluded so to Sean and Scott over unconcluded cheers mates we have relied
00:52:26
heavily on the unconcluded podcast and the help find Jennifer Casey Facebook page which discusses the case and
00:52:34
maintains a database of timelines and facts of course we recommend both by late afternoon on the day that Jennifer
00:52:44
was discovered to be missing the Cassie's had already printed off hundreds of flyers with Jennifer's
00:52:50
picture and a photo of her car and the license plate number they robbed Lauren and 12 of Jen's sorority sisters stood
00:53:00
on street corners near her condo and handed out these flyers to rush hour drivers they also posted flyers all over
00:53:08
the area including at her condo complex the Cassie's of course had called the Orlando Police and they met with
00:53:16
detectives Goss and right at the condo that evening along with Rob Travis and Logan I do want to point out here though
00:53:25
the detective right was almost immediately replaced by detective browning so for anybody looking into
00:53:32
this case just be aware of that drew and Joyce were not really impressed by the detectives and with this meeting
00:53:41
although they took the report the missing persons report and said they would look into the case true and Joyce
00:53:48
said that the Orlando Police Department's opinion was that Jennifer simply took off after a fight with her
00:53:55
boyfriend and eventually she would turn up yeah that's what we're told almost every time right captain yeah it's a
00:54:03
bunch of lazy people so of course the Cassie's flat-out refused to believe this they were incensed at the
00:54:11
implications there was no way that Jennifer had left she loved her life Drew enjoys vowed to find their daughter
00:54:20
no matter what it took but there was very little to go on the Orlando Police Department issued a be on the lookout
00:54:28
for Jennifer and her vehicle this went out around 9:00 p.m. that evening the Orlando Police spent 13 years
00:54:38
investigating Jennifer's case and captain you are more than well annually in Orange County Florida during
00:54:59
that time the detectives initially assigned to the case retired a year into the investigation and new detectives
00:55:08
came and took over the investigation they too left and new ones were assigned this is a 13 year old investigation I'm
00:55:17
not faulting Orlando Police Department for assigning new detectives we when we have people retire that's what has to
00:55:24
happen it's a 13 year investigation right you can't force them to stay on the force so a lot of work was done hmm
00:55:32
I was just going to say there's a episode of disappeared it's called Girl Interrupted aired in 2016
00:55:41
and they had some detectives I I don't know which detectives they were right but they had some detectives on that
00:55:49
show talking about the case again they they make the claim hey well we know that she's got an argument with the
00:55:55
boyfriend so maybe you just took off very unimpressed with these detectives the thing here is to with the switching
00:56:03
of detectives so the new detectives are only left with what the old ones provide
00:56:07
them with right and there was a lot of work done in this case and the files number tens of thousands of pages one
00:56:18
thing that was obvious to be a problem and extremely unfortunate was that the original detectives
00:56:25
were old-school they didn't use computers they didn't really even take any notes so when they were retiring and
00:56:35
moving on put out the pasture and the new detectives come in they're left with with almost nothing and I think that
00:56:44
they were that the original detectives were forced or at least asked and did so like write down everything you can
00:56:52
remember about the case before you you're done and you're out of here right that's awesome right right that
00:56:59
basically says yeah we know your daughter went missing but we don't give a [ __ ] I'll tell you what man I cannot
00:57:05
tell you I don't watch the show anymore but remember the like the first 48 and then there's I think there's another
00:57:11
show that's the 72 hours whatever anyway I'm talking about these these cases where you you can watch a unit homicide
00:57:20
detective robbery detective whomever and they're interviewing people and they're
00:57:26
I cannot tell you how many times that I've seen what I call like old-school detective work work in a case and I love
00:57:35
it like that's one of my favorite things these are guys and women that are interviewing people and taking down
00:57:43
notes they're writing things down even [ __ ] that doesn't seem important at the
00:57:47
time they write it down and multiple times there's something that happens a week later or some vehicle is spotted
00:57:56
elsewhere a week later and they can flip back through their notes and go oh yeah
00:58:01
I remember I thought I remembered something like that I wrote down a blue Lincoln was spotted here and then all of
00:58:08
a sudden now they've got the lead that they needed so I get that not everybody was raised around computers and to use
00:58:17
them I don't understand computer school I don't understand the fact that they it's been reported that these guys
00:58:24
didn't even take notes that seems to me to be the most basic and simplistic portion of detective work and recording
00:58:34
your work along the way yeah you wonder if that's [ __ ] or if they took some notes and
00:58:38
and the department can't find them I mean you start by the obvious we have this girl that went missing let's try to
00:58:46
figure out did she stay there that night roughly what time do we think this happened is there any eyewitness that
00:58:52
saw her car there at night start there now we go to the boyfriend now we go to the ex-boyfriend now we go to anybody
00:59:00
else that maybe she had any romantic ties to now let's go to the family and and at the same time then you go to
00:59:07
every staff member and that condo complex and then you go to the different staff members of the construction but
00:59:16
that lies a big problem when you don't have a list of those workers now you have any of those workers plus any of
00:59:28
their immediate contacts that possibly worked with them at some point so now the pool is becoming so big to try to
00:59:36
investigate well in anyone that's experienced one of these renovation the large-scale renovations or construction
00:59:44
projects on on housing sites and residential areas and even in commercial areas understands that it's not as easy
00:59:54
as just going to one big company and going give me a list of all the workers that are working on this property it
01:00:01
doesn't work that way because there's multiple multiple companies some of them big some of them small some of them
01:00:08
one-man owner-operated operations properties so I write because they can be difficult right because they could
01:00:14
hire one contractor that is only there to do tile one contractor that's only there to do drywall the problem is is
01:00:21
when you're able to contact that contractor and they're not gonna give you the proper names of the people that
01:00:29
work for them because they're undocumented that becomes an issue that becomes a safety issue for others and
01:00:36
and that's where yeah maybe I cannot be so impressed with these detectives from this TV series or maybe not impressed
01:00:45
with some of the rumors that I heard the stacks you know but the cards are stacked up against these detectives
01:00:53
anyways especially the newer ones because they're left with very little information from the original detective
01:00:59
detective so for whatever reason or however you want to slice it much about the early months of this investigation
01:01:08
is lost or unknown there is virtually nothing in the case file from the first 16 months of the investigation we do
01:01:18
know that the falling was done or was not done by the Orlando Police Department Jennifer's condo was never processed the
01:01:27
handrails on the two sets of stairs leading from Jennifer's for the second floor to street level were not dusted
01:01:35
for prints Jennifer's credit cards were checked there was no activity after the abduction the Orlando Police Department
01:01:43
has never commented on her bank records or phone records the Orlando PD checked closed-circuit TV
01:01:53
and traffic cameras near all relevant locations Jen's condo did not have surveillance cameras at that time the
01:02:02
Orlando Police Department checked pawn shops in the area they also took Jennifer's laptop into evidence the
01:02:10
police visited Jennifer's workplace about a week after she went missing and did some cursory interviews with her
01:02:19
colleagues and took her work computer into evidence as well the Orlando police ordered a ping study
01:02:27
to try to see where Jennifer's cell phone was on January 23rd and 24th the discussion of the pings and Jennifer's
01:02:37
phone is probably one of the most debated and confusing pieces about Jennifer's case drew Cassy addressed the
01:02:48
pings in the in an episode on unconcluded and in one entry in the guestbook on the family's web site as
01:02:55
well and we will revisit this issue further a little later for now remember the cassie's said that Jennifer
01:03:03
had terrible cell service in her condo in addition they have said that one of the cell towers near the mosaic at
01:03:12
millenia was damaged or down at the time implying that Jen's phone had to ping off a further away tower when the
01:03:21
Orlando Police Department looked at 11 pings related to Jennifer's phone according to Drew and Joyce the police
01:03:29
believed that Jennifer was out and about late on the night of Monday the 23rd moving away from her condo after her
01:03:39
9:57 p.m. conversation with Rob further they believed that she had gone to a shady area of town it's not known where
01:03:49
this was the Cassie's absolutely denied that there was any way Jennifer would go
01:03:55
out that late on a work night after getting up at 5:00 a.m. that day and they said once she was in for the night
01:04:03
and in her sweats and glasses she would never have redressed and gone back out the Orlando Police Department detectives
01:04:11
said to the Cassy's quote you don't know your daughter as well as you think you do one more thing that the Orlando
01:04:18
Police Department seems to have told the Cassie's was that both Jennifer's phone
01:04:22
and Travis's phone were powered off at some point that night around 10:40 p.m. but the Cassie's knew that Jennifer used
01:04:31
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