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unspeakable crimes he has confessed to stabbings stranglings rape and cannibalism he confessed to tricking
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young Charles Z manowitz into his car driving the boy to the forest and raping and killing
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[Music] him he confessed to snatching up little Johan Asin on his way to school never to
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be seen again Thomas told of the time that he attacked an unsuspecting married couple
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in the middle of the night he told his doctors and then told investigators about the time he took a
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20 4y- old tourist captive because he liked the way that he looked he shocked the courts when Thomas
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admitted to chopping up a little girl but adding he had wished the victim would have been a
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boy quick confessed that while traveling in Norway he killed a prostitute and kidnapped and murdered a 17-year-old
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girl in all Thomas Qui confessed to over 30 brutal murders making him Sweden's most evil and worst serial
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killer this man is better known by the name of Thomas quick but his birth name is Stuart bergwall and he was born in
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Sweden in the year 1950 born into a large family he had a couple brothers and a couple of sisters mhm one of them
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was his twin sister there were seven kids all together for the sake of this episode we will refer to him as Thomas
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quick Thomas became aware at the age of 14 that he is a homosexual and you know most of us can imagine that in the 196s
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was a pretty tough time for a young man to be coming out back then in Sweden being gay was considered well basically
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a a disorder and you know people were treated with therapy for being homosexual Thomas started getting into
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into trouble at an early age his grades were not very good and he was getting in
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trouble for things like touching and grabbing classmates mhm he also became a drug addict at an early age but Thomas
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started to feel like there was a place for him in this world when he was still a teenager he fell in love with an older
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man this guy was like 15 years older than him they had a relationship for a few months and then the guy ends up
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committing suicide and of course this destroys Thomas and he starts going well pretty hard at the drinking and with the
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drugs after this and right before Thomas's 19th birthday he would be high on some drugs and what he claims and
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he'd be walking around the town of fallen and he would grab a a kid by the neck yes this was an 11-year-old boy he
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grabbed him by the neck and he took him into a garage he told the boy to pull down his pants and Thomas then touched
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the boy inappropriately two other such events occurred as well shortly after this
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after which Thomas got himself into a lot of trouble regarding an incident at the Fallen hospital where Thomas quick
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was an employee of yeah one night while he was working he saw a 9-year-old boy sleeping in his hospital bed and Thomas
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touched the boy and sexually assaulted The Boy The Boy woke up and started screaming Thomas put his hand over the
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boy's mouth to silence the screams and it sounds like Thomas was choking the boy as well regardless he tried to
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silence the boy so long and so forcibly that blood started coming from the boy's
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nose at the sight of blood Thomas fled believing that he had killed the boy he had in fact had not killed the boy MH
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because of this Thomas was sent to live in a mental hospital and for the next few years Thomas was in and out of
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residential treatment of this hospital so Thomas is a drug addict now and it it seems to me like Thomas is heavy and
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into the drugs and when he is heavy into the drugs he's out of control and he's very dangerous mhm when Thomas is clean
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and sober it seems to be a whole different story well it seems like he he's using the drugs as a way to deal
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with uh his homosexuality yes and and other issues that he might be having right now Thomas gets clean you know
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while he's receiving treatment and he gets better and this leads to outpatient treatment however after Thomas is being
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treated as an outpatient he gets hooked on drugs again and we start to see this out ofc control monster growing inside
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of him when Thomas quick is 23 he's in the town of upsa and he goes out clubbing he went to a place that he
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considered to be a gay hangout there he met a student named Leonard the two of them hit it off pretty good they spend
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the evening drinking and talking and they end up going back to Leonard's place now Thomas is still very much a
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drug addict at this time and he was sniffing a solvent and he would sniff this because it would make him
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hallucinate so he starts off sniffing this stuff after a night of drinking and I believe he's doing this unbeknownst to
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Leonard Leonard goes to the bathroom and when he comes out Thomas starts attacking him he has grabbed a knife
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that he found in the apartment he's stabbing Leonard over and over again yeah I believe he stabbed him 12 times
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Thomas would later claim that he was in fact huc hallucinating quite a bit that night and that Thomas believed that he
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was defending himself saying that when Leonard came out of the bathroom he didn't see lonard at all but instead he
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saw a very large monster that he believed would attack and kill him mhm Leonard watched as Thomas wash washed
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off the knife after stabbing him trying to clean the knife of blood and fingerprints Thomas stuffed the knife
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into his leather jacket and left Leonard there to die Thomas had stabbed Leonard
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like the captain said 12 time stabbing him in the liver intestines and the left lung police would later find the knife
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in a canal and somehow Leonard survives this attack right in 1990 Thomas quick is still drinking a lot and he's
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severely addicted to drugs he's 40 years old by this time and he's in trouble financially this most likely because of
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the drug addiction and he decides to try his hand at a little bank robbery Thomas
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and an 18-year-old man go to the home of the bank manager Thomas is wearing a Santa Claus mask and the partner is
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wearing a ski mask the two knock on the door at 545 a.m. and the manager answers
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the door to his home they then force their way inside Thomas is waving a knife at the man and Thomas's partner
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has a gun pointed at the man mhm they then grab the man's wife and 10-year-old son and her them into a bedroom Thomas's
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partner takes the bank man manager to the bank where he's going to take money from the safe and as an insurance policy
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Thomas is going to stay behind at the manager's home basically taking the wife and the kid hostage while the man and
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Thomas's partner were gone Thomas yelled and screamed waving his knife at the woman and her son he kicked over
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Furniture he stabbed the bed and stabbed the walls several times he had a broad face with a little round belly he shook
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when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly well he's being very violent and he's threatening both of them with his
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knife mhm he also tells the woman and her son that he is infected with the AIDS virus and he only has a very short
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time to live so it really doesn't matter to him if the two lived or died that day
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it wouldn't bother him one bit he's got nothing else going nothing to live for nothing to lose of course well right
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nothing yeah that's better of course Thomas this is not a really wellth thought out plan uh it really kind of
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just spirals out of control and he's actually caught later that day for this crime and he ends up going to a
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psychiatric hospital a place called seder now I believe this time that it's going to be quite different for Thomas
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though because this place is described pretty much as a place that is somewhere between a hospital and a prison so it
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sounds to me like this is a little more hardcore and deservingly so for Thomas now at seder he is going to undergo a
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much different type of therapy and treatment than he has participated in before mhm it sounds like this type of
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therapy involves a lot of drugs and a lot of lengthy therapy sessions it is here at seder that he would change his
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name from s b Berg wall to Thomas quick and there is some reasoning behind the name Thomas quick quick is his mother's
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family name and Thomas is name and Thomas the name Thomas comes from someone that we have not t talked about
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yet but Thomas was the name of Thomas Quick's first victim a 14-year-old boy whose bloody lifeless body was found in
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a shed with his pants partially removed and Thomas quick was actually 14 at the time of this murder and he didn't
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confess to it till years later but because Sweden has a statute of limitations that he couldn't actually be
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charged for this murder right he was never charged or convicted of of this actual crime and as we know that in the
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United States there is no statute of limitations on murder we're going to hold you accountable for the rest of
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your life and it seems like the doctors or the the treatment that he was receiving it was kind of like this
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Cutting Edge idea and the idea was that you have probably these repressed memories or these repress you know a a
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repressed memory of you seeing a crime and so if we can open up this repressed memory that it would also open up this
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repressed uh time where you actually committed a crime mhm yeah that this violent behavior that you would repress
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some of these memories and later due to the treatment be able to recall some of these acts that you've committed or
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witnessed before now it's during this therapy and treatment that Thomas quick starts to open up and he's offering a
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confession of sorts in June of 1992 he tells one of the caregivers at the psychiatric hospital that he has done
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something very serious right and it's almost like he's going to be playing a game he doesn't come write out and say
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it uh I can't figure out if he was just reluctant to say it and wanted someone else to say the words uh but first it's
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like he wants the caregiver to guess what he's about to tell her saying that he would give her a clue and the clue is
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M you yeah so he's basically trying to confess to a murder yes he's he's saying that he possibly is committed a murder
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and he might be willing to confess this to his doctors well after doing so the the doctors at seder they get some
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investigators involved because now they have a crime to report and once the investigator sit down with Thomas quick
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they are able to go through some crimes that he's saying that he has committed right but before this actually takes
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place because he says I I want to talk about a murder that happened they're actually going to start giving him a lot
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more attention they're actually he's actually going to see receive more therapy treatments uh to have him open
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up his mind so he can recall these events M they they want to make him comfortable so he can explore and
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confess these items to them mhm eventually this this investigation will lead to the trial process and the trial
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started in 1994 this was for the murder of a 15-year-old boy named Charles Zam manowitz Thomas explained how he and a
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friend were looking for a boy in November of 1976 when they saw Charles walking along
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the road late one evening visibly distressed and alone Thomas pulled over to offer the boy a ride home Charles
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accepted the ride during the ride Thomas starts touching and feeling Charles's Hands and Body he convinces Charles to
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fool around with him so they stopped off and parked Thomas's friend who was driving and now that they are parked
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well he wanted to join in but then Thomas quick became angered at something that Charles had said and he put his
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hands around Charles's neck and he choked the boy until he was dead afterward quick played further sexual
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games with the dead body then the two of them carried the body into the forest quick had a knife and a saw quick is
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going to use this Saul to cut up the different body parts reason being as his doctors would claim at trial his
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sexuality was actually driven by this that each body part symbolized a different value system
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it seems to me Captain like they're trying to apply logic to complete craziness here you know stating that
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basically he knew that Thomas quick knew before he started cutting up the body that he what parts he wanted to remove
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maybe what parts he wanted to take with him um at the trial Thomas quick described the way that the body uh
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seemed to have it Gran as he cut it up he also described what he called a sweet s odor that was released from the body
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as he was cutting it up he explained how he cut off parts of the body and took a
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leg and a hand with him and put him in a gray plastic bag and then covered the rest of the body with debris and Moss
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yeah I'm sure that's this beautiful smell I mean it smells as good as Nickelback after the murder a short time
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later the accomplice came to Thomas quck and he said that because of his participation in Charles's murder and
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The Dumping of the body that he was having a lot of suicidal thoughts now Thomas says that he advised his friend
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that he should follow through with these thoughts and the friend ultimately committed suicide yeah that I I think
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that's reasonable well and that this is Thomas Quick's way of explaining why he he tells this story of him being with a
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friend they abduct this boy they do terrible things to him and now all of a sudden this this friend is nowhere to be
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found how about this one kill yourself before you do something like that this was the first confession but it would
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not be the last and same with the murder trials as well there were going to be many more confessions in several more
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murder trials Thomas went to trial again but this time he was facing charges for
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a double murder this is for a husband and wife named marinus and jany stagen house now they were tourist and they
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were murdered at a secluded lakeside campsite in 1984 Thomas quick explained how he had snuck up to the very quietly
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and then in a frenzy attack he stabbed the husband through the tent canvas and as the man lie there bleeding Thomas
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then went inside the tent he gave a detailed confession as to what took place from there but we don't need to go
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through all of the details of this horrific attack well not only did they do confessions but they would always
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take him to the scenes as well and they'd actually set up like a tent mhm and they'd have him reenact it yeah and
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he'd make all these noises where he'd you know he'd start stabbing but the whole time he'd stabbing he's
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going he he sounds he sounds like some kind of animal you know when when this is going on when he's reliving it right
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he also acts like he's in this like trans like State like because they were able to uh take these these thoughts
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that were repressed and they bring them to the surface because of that it puts them in a trans like State it's very
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dramatic MH all in all due to his confession and the forensic evidence it is known that he stabbed the husband 25
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times and the wife after which he had stabbed 20 times this appears simply to be a crime of opportunity to me he he
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happened upon the two and attack them they didn't even know what was happening until it was too late right Thomas
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stated that this was have fun camping this weekend well this was a very very much a psychological thing for him that
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in some way he was attacking his own parents and that killing that married couple it was like he was killing his
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parents who he you know ultimately blamed for a very nasty childhood so the fourth crime that he would be convicted
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of that Thomas quick would also confess to would be a crime that took place in 1988 this was for the murder of
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24-year-old Israeli student yenon Levy who was visiting family and sightseeing Thomas quick told how he kidnapped Levy
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at a train station and took him to a vacant home once there Levy tried to escape and made it out of the house and
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into the yard but quick soon caught up to the man recaptured him and killed him there in the home which is surprising
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because you know Thomas quick just looks like a bag of skin you know no muscles and yenon was 24 so you'd think that he
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would be able to out run you know this he basically looks just like a like a bag of skin you know filled with poop
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yeah he he he doesn't look strong he's not strong or athletic looking by any means no he looks very soft the first
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the fifth murder that Thomas quick would be convicted of was for the murder of a
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9-year-old Norwegian girl her name is theres johanneson and this took place in 1988 as well Thomas quick described how
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he had seen the girl somewhere near her home now the day that he saw her it was raining very hard and she had taken
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cover while she was waiting for the downpour to finish quick pulled over and engaged the girl in light conversation
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before grabbing her and taking her down a slope to a secluded area is this the girl that he actually assumed at first
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was a a young boy I think so yes uh he he then smashed her head against a rock until she was unconscious he reported
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that her last words were her crying out for her mother he later recalled how he was extremely disappointed after taking
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her body back to the car because she turned out to be a girl and not a boy after dismembering her he then hid
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different body parts in different places around the area he said that he returned
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to where he had buried these parts the following year and he burned the remains and at one of the sites he identified
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what investigators found to be a a bone fragment and it was sent off for analysis now I do want to specify that
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this was a an extremely small piece that they found and it was too old or too degraded uh for any type of DNA analysis
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for the sixth and seventh murders he would be tried for he would be tried for both of those at the same time both of
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these murders just like the last one that we discussed took place in Norway uh the first was for a 23-year-old
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female prostitute named gray storvik and this took place in 1985 he said that he had he had
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basically taken her captive and he forced her to strip he tortured her and then he described how she vomited as he
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beat her he basically beat her to death the seventh murder was that of 17-year-old Trine Jensen who Thomas
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quick killed in 1981 he stated that he violently stranged her strangled her with a strap
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from her handbag mhm his last murder conviction was for a very famous case and one of the first murders that Thomas
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had actually confessed to this is for the murder of an 11-year-old boy named Johan asplin which took place in 1980
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Johan had disappeared November 7th 1980 in go back to the school and meet up with
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him and the two could walk back to the home together and this was a hugely popular case in Sweden this would be
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very similar to a case that we had here not as far as the details but as far as the popularity of the case our case here
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being um the Adam Walsh case the boy then after being instructed to go find his friend and walk home with him well
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he comes back to the home and he says that he had learned that Johan had not actually gone to school that day uh The
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Disappearance of this boy very quickly was televised and many people came out to lend their time to look for the boy
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hundreds of people searched for him and he was not found uh over 10 years later Thomas quick then confessed to doctors
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and then to investigators that he had saw the little boy on his way to school that November morning Thomas quick spoke
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to the boy saying that he had hit a cat with his car and asked if the boy could help him out the boy agreed to help
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quick and when Johan bent over to look under the car for the cat quick grabbed the boy by the hair and he smashed his
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head into the car he then pulled him inside of the vehicle he drove the boy to the countryside where he sexually
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assaulted him and then strangled him quick cut up the body and he buried some of the internal organs there on the
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countryside but he put the hand hands on the on the car's front seat and the head
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and the legs in a plastic bag and then the remains of the Torso in another bag he then disposed of one hand along the
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roadside as he drove away he buried the other hand in a stream he tossed it in a
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stream he kept the legs in his attic for a while and he states that some of the other parts of the boy he ate
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them all right well he these are the murders that he was convicted of there were eight of them he he went to trial
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six times to be tried for eight total murders right now the thing here is he did confess to many more he confess to
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over 30 murders some of those were not brought to trial because of the statute of limitations others they could not
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verify that he had actually committed the murders now in these cases that we just discussed here now I apologize for
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the graphic details and the graphic nature of some of those confessions but these were statements that were taken
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from it a true crime show yeah these are statements that we taking from these trials um and I did summarize them quite
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a bit to leave out some of some of the other stuff that that just wasn't necessary but the thing here is not only
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do we see a guy confessing time and time again to to different murders and keep in mind these are murders some of these
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are taking place in other countries and he's confessed these to his doctors and then he goes forward and confesses them
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to the investigators and to the police afterward sometimes reenacting them exactly like you had said they take them
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out to the scene they they kind of restructure everything you know we saw the one the one set where they built the
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tent right and uh he's describing how he's stabbing the it looks like a man just standing next to a tent stabbing it
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he starts grunning and you learn that inside there there are people sleeping now the thing here is we see these
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multiple confessions uh eight convictions but on top of that not only is he confessing to these crimes but
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he's confessing them to them in detail you know he's not saying oh I went out and I grabbed somebody Billy Bob you
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know just making up some random name the captain and yeah in in the middle of nowhere I don't know where I was and I
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don't know what day it was or or what year it was show comes out on Tuesday but I killed these people here and these
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people there no we're seeing detailed confessions where he's stating you know I picked up this specific person and
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this is how I killed them I got them into my vehicle I took them elsewhere and I and I did what I wanted with them
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now the other thing though too here Captain we also see a victimology that is clearly all over the map uh it it
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sounds to me like his ideal victim would be like a teenage boy or a younger boy uh but he doesn't seem to be able to
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control himself at all and and he he's killing adults he's killing you know women girls boys it's the victimology is
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really all over the map and he because of these confessions and because of these eight murders he becomes a bit of
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a a legend in Sweden you know they they refer to him as Sweden's Hannibal lecor you know he's he's their most evil he's
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their worst serial killer that the country has ever seen you know and the thing here too is some almost refer to
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him as the first serial killer like like his crimes are so there's such a large number of them and they're so heinous
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that if there were any other serial killers they almost forgot about everybody except for the very evil
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now I'll tell you what Captain we have to talk about the therapy and the treatment that Thomas quick was
00:33:37
receiving at seder and we touched upon it a little bit in the first half and unfortunately we had to go through all
00:33:44
the gruesome details of some of the murders that he confessed to but these were ones that he was actually convicted
00:33:50
of now the thing here is Captain I don't want anybody to get the wild idea that that this is our wheelhouse that we
00:33:58
fully understand this type of treatment that he was receiving but the basic thought that I pulled away from what it
00:34:04
was how it was presented to me was that because he was in this psychiatric hospital because he had con you know he
00:34:12
was convicted of violent crimes you know we saw the attack on the 9-year-old boy
00:34:18
that took place at the hospital where he worked right we saw the the stabbing of
00:34:23
the young man that he met at the at the bar I mean that's basically two attempted murders yes very very violent
00:34:31
attacks uh in the first one you could argue was a you know it was a sexual violent attack as well so the way that
00:34:38
he's going to be treated is they're going to be treating him for his sexual violence uh that he's in for right and
00:34:46
because of this they might have some preconceived notions that he might he might be guilty of some other events
00:34:54
that that they are unaware of you know if he was capable of stabbing a man 12 times if he was capable of almost
00:35:00
strangling a a young boy to death who knows what else this right what else yeah so they once they start treating
00:35:10
him and he starts coming forward with this idea that he may have possibly murdered somebody and he wants to talk
00:35:17
about that well it's shortly after this that it seems like the floodgates just open wide up and he and he and now he's
00:35:26
he's said you know I've I've committed over 30 murders MH I've been doing this since I was about since I was a teenager
00:35:33
I've been killing people and mind you for a good portion of his adult life he's in these he's in this Hospital you
00:35:42
know so we're so we're talking about a a specific window here where he would have
00:35:48
had to have killed over 30 people in several different countries the way that I understand this
00:35:54
therapy to be is that once they come up with these confessions and they learn that he has done these terrible things
00:36:02
you know we we talk about he's confessed to stabbing people to choking people to
00:36:09
death strangling them raping and even eating some parts of some of his victims uhhuh they start to say that you know
00:36:17
what this violent Behavior this sexual this way that his sexuality and violence has all gotten mixed up together must
00:36:26
have stemmed from things that happened in his childhood now I would say there's probably some validity there we have
00:36:34
heard many serial killers come out and say that you know they they have sexual fantasies and they all involve violence
00:36:42
that some of them can't seem to achieve gratification without the violence in those sexual acts and we even hear
00:36:50
people talk about you know from a very young age that they had sexual fantasies that involved violence
00:36:57
well what is the root of that is what they're going to look for where did that come from why is this guy an adult and
00:37:04
he's he's strangling people he's killing people and he's sexually assaulting them
00:37:08
as well well right and their their theory is basically that this is something that was learned or seen they
00:37:15
weren't just born with this you know appetite for a a violent sexual appetite I guess right right but that they saw
00:37:23
something in their childhood maybe they saw their mother being raped and so therefore by seeing that event it caused
00:37:30
them to want to go out and rape others so in some ways it would be a learned behavior right or or in a way they're
00:37:37
also reenacting this trauma so that's basically what it was is that because there was some kind of trauma that they
00:37:44
repress that image they repress that vision and that memory and all that stuff and that we have to do this type
00:37:52
of therapy to make them be able to relive that trauma mhm mhm yeah because until they can relive it well there's no
00:38:00
way to learn from it overcome it and become a better person mhm and the thing here is we we kind of touched upon it a
00:38:06
little bit in the first half right you know where Thomas quick explains that he believes that the the reason for the
00:38:13
double murder at the campsite where he where he stabbed the husband and wife to death that he believed that it was
00:38:20
because of he had a nasty childhood growing up and that in some way he was almost killing his own father and his
00:38:27
own mother that that night at the campsite right claiming that they're very abusive exactly so now we should be
00:38:35
clear here though because these confessions you know it took it took lots of therapy lots of sessions to get
00:38:43
these confessions to come out and what ends up being presented about his childhood takes quite an extensive
00:38:52
amount of time to come forward as well but with the help of the doctor um he is able to
00:39:00
to basically retell a a traumatic event that happened in his childhood and this is supposed to
00:39:09
explain to us why he is capable of these things as a teenager and as an adult now
00:39:15
I I'm going to apologize in advance as we try to talk about this event but it is a true crime show so it's a true
00:39:23
crime show the first half was pretty gruesome this next few minutes might be even more gruesome um but but Thomas
00:39:32
quick starts to describe abuse that's happening at the hands of his parents from a very young age and there is one
00:39:41
extremely horrific event uh that that he that he brings forward that is extremely
00:39:48
traumatic and it goes something like this he we don't know at what age I don't know that they were able to
00:39:54
specifically say what age this occurred but young like 6 years old or so he would have been pretty young at the time
00:40:02
and apparently his father was abusing him not just physically um but sexually as well sodomizing them during this
00:40:11
event he is being raped by his father mhm and for whatever reason um his mother goes into acute labor well yeah so he he
00:40:26
is being raped by his father and the mother comes in and she is pregnant at the time and so when she sees this event
00:40:33
taking place it's the shock of seeing you know her husband raping her son that brings her into labor mhm and this is a
00:40:43
violent rape as well it's it's you know and the thing here is sends her into labor way you know way early in the
00:40:51
pregnancy um and the baby is I I don't believe the baby is a lie right maybe it's still born or yeah but
00:40:59
but the baby is still attached to the mother um right and what then happens is that the mother
00:41:09
freaking out because of this situation and and who knows what else uh starts to abuse Thomas as well um and this is
00:41:20
physical abuse you know violently hurting him as well as the father at the same time m and they the two parents
00:41:28
react to the birth of this this baby uh Simon yes they they give the name Thomas
00:41:35
gives the name of Simon uh that would have been his brother um they basically start abusing the baby immediately after
00:41:45
the birth um to the point of dismemberment um and during the course of this they
00:41:53
are um m just say it okay U they they the parents may have been consuming parts of
00:42:01
the baby and forcing Thomas to consume parts of the baby as well and when he says consume he means
00:42:08
eat and and then the you know let's just say what there what it is I mean you know he's Thomas is now making these
00:42:17
crazy allegations about his family members MH and mind you that he has other he has another six siblings
00:42:24
correct yeah and when this event is over what happens is the father is going to dispose of of Simon who was just born
00:42:35
right and what he's going to do is make Thomas go with him they they bundle up the baby into newspapers and they head
00:42:42
out to the woods and they bury the uh the fetus into they bury the baby into the woods yes yeah they wrap the baby up
00:42:52
in in newspapers and then they bury the baby at a place called frami point right
00:42:58
and so then the doctors are going to then start concluding well a lot of these crimes that he's confessed to they
00:43:04
they took place in the woods mhm so that would be the link there uh any of the pedophilia stuff or the sexual fantasies
00:43:13
towards children would be based off of the fact that he was raped by his father yes and then any of the dismemberments
00:43:20
would have been the dismemberment of Simon any of the cannibalism would be because of the parents eating parts of
00:43:27
Simon or that he ate parts of Simon he was forced to yes and the these are the connections they're drawing now mind you
00:43:34
what the whole time these investigations were happening they're trying to explain
00:43:38
this idea that all these thoughts are repressed memories now a lot of this doesn't make sense as far as the True
00:43:44
Crime listeners will go because you know one thing that I I don't believe but that's just because I have a horrible
00:43:50
memory so if you ask me what happened if you ask me what case we covered three weeks ago I couldn't tell you boys on
00:43:56
the track um but but most what we've seen through time and through the cases that we've
00:44:03
done a lot of research on it it seems like these serial killers maybe they can't remember a lot of stuff that was
00:44:08
going on that year but they could tell you about that day and and and and a lot of details yeah so what you know so what
00:44:16
these doctors are saying and what these therapists are saying was well this is a
00:44:20
whole different case and that this guy Thomas quick is actually he's repressing all these memories because he had this
00:44:27
early childhood trauma that he repressed so he's repressing all the murders mhm but uh so when he's telling you this
00:44:36
stuff and he's confessing to some of this stuff some of the details are wrong right right so then now the
00:44:43
investigators are going well uh hey Doc this doesn't line up MH and the doctors are saying well look it's repressed it's
00:44:51
a repressed memory it's all coming back to him it's all coming back to Thomas at
00:44:55
at the same time that he's trying to tell you and walk you through what he done you know that this this is this is
00:45:02
a person that's been traumatized over a lifetime and because of this trauma has repressed any horrific memory that he
00:45:11
may have and whether it's something he's done or whether it's something he's witnessed he's tucked those memories
00:45:17
away even from himself and now we are pulling those forward we're bringing them to light and he's able to tell us
00:45:25
things that he has done and things that he has witnessed in his lifetime right and so what we have to do this is what
00:45:31
the doctors say what we have to do is these confessions are going to be a little different we can't just sit down
00:45:37
with Thomas and have him tell us all the details and expect for them to be right
00:45:42
we're going to have to have a confession you're going to have to talk to him you
00:45:45
might have to interrogate him then we're going to have to go back to therapy MH and we're going to have to try to get
00:45:51
some of the more of the details out yes because not only are these memories unclear to him to Thomas Qui but there
00:45:59
are so many of them that they could be muddled together and the details of such could be you know all mixed up into one
00:46:06
another and we're going to have to really kind of pull these pull these apart and take what what you know what
00:46:14
facts you know investigator about the case and what Thomas is relearning and what he is remembering about himself and
00:46:22
about his crimes and we're going to have to kind of we might have to fuse them together in a
00:46:28
way uh because do the best we can because we we know he's a violent offender and we know that he's he's
00:46:35
having these confessions and we know that he's he's he's confessing to people that we know have been murdered that
00:46:43
have either disappeared or they have been murdered now mind you the whole time Thomas quick is not in a prison
00:46:49
he's in this mental facility and uh you know he becomes a star patient he becomes a person of interest he
00:46:59
becomes somebody that they they want to talk to on a daily oh and by the way you
00:47:03
get some perks oh you're murdering people you murdered some people now and now you're telling us about it oh well
00:47:10
here's extra room now you got your room now you got a den oh you need the internet to do some research to maybe
00:47:18
jog your memory we'll get you the internet yeah where most of the patients would have had a a smaller room um and
00:47:26
like the captain said it's not a prison it's it's a it's a psychiatric hospital um it has been described by some of the
00:47:33
patients as partly a prison partly a hospital I it it looks to me like there is some form of lockdown you know that
00:47:41
they're not just roaming free out out in the public uh and then coming back at night no they're they're confined to
00:47:48
this property um but like the captain said you know these these perks come in in different ways and this is not perks
00:47:56
for murdering people we're not rewarding you for murdering people however what we
00:48:01
are doing we're going to reward you for really working hard at this treatment and really focusing on this and and
00:48:08
bringing these things to light uh we're going to reward you because you're working so hard on your therapy and
00:48:13
you're working well with this treatment right and the whole time through this too Thomas is is very heavily medicated
00:48:20
uh taking medicine as much as like 8 to 10 times a day mhm for years Thomas quick was confessing to these murders
00:48:27
and between the years of 1994 and 2001 Thomas quick was convicted of eight of these murders now eight of the 30
00:48:37
correct now shortly after this Thomas quick goes silent he decides one day that he's no longer going to work with
00:48:45
the investigators uh he's no longer going to help them solve their crimes there cases
00:48:50
that they're working on he's not even really open to the same form of treatment and therapy that he's been
00:48:57
receiving for years at the hospital he he basically shuts down um and he he has stopped confessing to murder and he
00:49:07
stopped cooperating with the doctors at seder right the doctors and law enforcement and during this time it's
00:49:14
it's around the same time that he now remember Thomas quick was not his birth name it was a name that he gave himself
00:49:21
once he started receiving treatment and it's about the same time that he decides
00:49:25
he wants to return to his birth name he no longer wants to be referred to as Tom
00:49:30
Thomas quick yeah and now he wants to be referred to as Batman it's during this time as well that he's going to start
00:49:37
severely backing off of this medication that he's taking well he's probably on a
00:49:41
bunch of stuff he shouldn't be on it's during this time that Thomas quick he sees a documentary now this is very
00:49:48
interesting here Captain because it has a lot to do with with his life he he's watching this documentary on confessions
00:49:56
and it's murder confessions it's why as basically why do people confess to crimes to crimes that they have not
00:50:03
committed MH and the the Curious Thing here is he's intrigued by this documentary and the documentarian
00:50:12
reaches out to Thomas quick he had re reviewed Thomas's story and watched some of the trials and he was aware of Thomas
00:50:22
and he wanted to speak with him and he wanted to find out more about Thomas's cases and his confessions and his
00:50:29
memories and one of the things that he actually did was they took all the confessions and they took all the
00:50:35
evidence and they actually gave it to a profiler yes now this profiler reviewed all of the statements all of the
00:50:43
documents and he didn't believe in all of his experience he did not believe that they actually had something there
00:50:51
that he felt like they were on the wrong track that this guy Thomas quick may not
00:50:57
have committed any of these crimes any of the crimes let alone all of them and it's through this documentarian who
00:51:05
reaches out to Thomas quick and Thomas is a he's not so quick to respond to to him as what it sounds like to me but
00:51:13
they end up talking and they end up working together and it's through this correspondence that we learn what
00:51:20
Captain that these confessions are a bunch of horseshit they're a bunch of horeshit right so where do we go from
00:51:27
here well Thomas starts by and again for the sake of it even though he went back
00:51:32
to his original name we're going to keep calling him Thomas for the sake of the show but so Thomas reaches out to his
00:51:38
siblings uh pretty interesting way to reach out to him he he takes postcards and he writes one word on it sends it to
00:51:46
all of them and it just says sorry yeah and I think you know the the reason why this is so heavy here is he didn't have
00:51:55
a good relationship with any of his brothers or sisters it it seems like once he was locked up and especially
00:52:03
after these confessions started right that they all just believed their brother to be a very evil person that
00:52:10
they didn't want not actually true a lot of them actually just believe that he was lying about all this stuff and and
00:52:16
then some of the the ones that actually believe that he was lying because he was
00:52:21
confessing to crimes where they said well he wasn't in Norway that time so he couldn't have done that and I think what
00:52:28
really got the siblings was when he started you know making allegations saying that you know my my father raped
00:52:34
me that uh they had this unborn baby and they and they ate parts of the baby right I mean we're talking about some
00:52:42
pretty crazy claims here but whether they believed him or not the thing here is though he had some pretty nasty
00:52:49
interactions with these with with his siblings while he was confessing to these different crimes you know and and
00:52:56
so even if they believed him or or not he was pushing them away they were already at arms length he he was pushing
00:53:03
them further away they didn't have a great relationship when he finally reached out to them
00:53:09
apologizing with by just simply saying sorry right so he's going to get a new lawyer because now he's you know he's in
00:53:15
this mental facility he's not technically in a prison MH uh but he's going to be spending the rest of his
00:53:21
life there but now that he didn't do these crimes I mean he did do crimes right we we do know that he tried to uh
00:53:30
strangle a boy he was he was in there for good reason right so what what we do know for sure is that he did try to
00:53:36
string old boy at his work M almost killed him and what we do know for sure was that that you know when he went to
00:53:42
the gay club and they went back uh when he was huffing whatever he was huffing stabs the guy 12 times left him for dead
00:53:50
so there's two accounts of attempted murder mhm so it's not like we're saying Thomas oh poor Thomas quick no you
00:53:59
you're a piece of [ __ ] before you went in there well and the thing here is though regarding the lawyer you know
00:54:03
he's with with these murders he's going to be granted appeals and it's when he changes his lawyer that through the
00:54:11
appeal process that the new lawyer is able to point out that in most of these cases I mean I'm looking at all eight of
00:54:18
them right here and it it's basically there's little to no forensic evidence in any of these cases right all they had
00:54:27
was his confession in some of these cases they never found the the person that was believed to have been killed uh
00:54:35
in the in the one situation remember we talked about them finding a very small bone fragment that could it was so small
00:54:40
and degraded that it couldn't be tested for DNA right it was later determined that that was not even a bone fragment
00:54:48
uh that they were mistaken um and in some of these other situations you're exactly right with what you said about
00:54:54
the his siblings where they the new lawyer was able to show that Thomas quick was not even in the area when
00:55:01
where this person was killed that he had a solid Alibi for this time and furthermore when they really started
00:55:09
digging into the confessions themselves and reviewing them at at a whole rather than just what he's stating at trial
00:55:18
they learned that many times he got details he didn't just not know them he got them extremely wrong you know in in
00:55:25
one case the the the girl was beat to death with with what was believed to be a wooden Club well he had guessed
00:55:33
several different weapons before arriving to that conclusion it's the power of suggestion and we see it with
00:55:40
the doctors and we're seeing it again with the investigators and the thing here in the beginning he he didn't even
00:55:46
know that the girl was Beat to Death he thought that that that it was a knife or
00:55:50
an axe that had had committed the murder well a lot of this is just a perfect storm you know it it was these doctors
00:55:57
that they believed they knew uh this Cutting Edge and and and we're going to uncover these traumas and therefore
00:56:04
we're going to be able to you know know why these things take place and we're going to be able to spot this MH and so
00:56:12
when he starts confessing to these crimes and they're not lining up like I said as the law enforcement they're
00:56:18
going well wait a second doc this this stuff don't line up right but then the doc saying
00:56:25
but there's a reason for that so again I you there's a part of you that's like who the hell do you blame you know what
00:56:33
I mean like I think it's everybody first of all the the the doctors shouldn't have been so naive they we see this all
00:56:43
the time with with mental health and I I understand again I'm not a I'm not a doctor I'm a captain but but you see
00:56:52
this all the time where they have to try something first to see if it works yep and sometimes that you know so you got
00:56:58
this guy that has issues this Thomas quick has issues first of all I believe that he has uh pedophilia thoughts yes
00:57:06
those don't go away right so th those are there uh he tried to kill a guy now he's in this
00:57:15
mental facility he's hopped up on some drugs and he's he's he's lonely I mean he even States so he what he said was I
00:57:23
was a very lonely person when all started I was in a place uh you know where violent criminals and that that
00:57:32
that he noticed that the worse and the more violent and the serious the crimes that the more that the Physicians would
00:57:38
take notice yeah and so there's a part of me that look I'm sorry you're lonely but you confess to these crimes and
00:57:47
there's a bunch of problems with this a whole lot of problems first problem is that you sat in the courtroom and and
00:57:54
these families had to listen to this [ __ ] that you were saying and they had to relive this
00:58:02
traumatic experience for them that you're just one just making up and then on top of that so they do get
00:58:13
some closure at some point but then years later when you come out and just go H just kidding right then they then
00:58:20
they relive the horror again and the fact that you know the statue of limitation
00:58:25
is up so there there's a bunch of these crimes that law enforcement could have kept
00:58:31
working but they thought the case was closed because you confessed to it right yeah the the thing here is regarding the
00:58:40
family members it's it's unimaginable that they had to sit through a trial and not only hear these
00:58:47
horrible things that he says he did to their loved one MH but then they're not even true I mean he completely
00:58:56
fabricated these events and they unnecessarily had to sit through something and hear that and live with
00:59:04
that in their minds and in their memories and in their hearts for years and years and years until he says well I
00:59:11
didn't do it uh and furthermore they're never going to solve the the case of your murdered loved one because I I took
00:59:20
the blame and I got rewarded for it and on top of that now there's no there's nobody to investigate this case now
00:59:28
because of because the statute of limitations is passed um well and it's it's it's suffering beyond belief well
00:59:37
to be clear to the listeners so then what happens is when they once they actually get the lawyer and they retry
00:59:43
all this stuff all all those charges are dropped MH and and Thomas then goes out
00:59:49
to the public and actually one of his brothers which I feel is it's very kind of his brother to say well you know you
00:59:57
are my brother you did all this stuff and I don't know why you did it you know but uh you know we can try to rebuild a
01:00:05
relationship and they kind of do rebuild a relationship my question is is why wasn't he charged for lying under oath
01:00:13
why isn't he charged you know for something for that you know wasting people's time um hurting family members
01:00:21
for no reason yeah we want we want to be very clear here we you know there might be some people out
01:00:26
there that are of the mindset that that Thomas Qui is some kind of victim in this whole thing
01:00:33
um I I can't help it Captain but I don't feel any pity towards him um well no that look here's here's the thing that I
01:00:41
you know I I can think of you know like we said you know to to be at a really young age and to discover that you are
01:00:50
you know homosexual in a time where that's not not well received or welcomed at all not
01:00:57
only a time but also the place mhm and I could not even imagine what that must feel like right
01:01:06
and I think because he didn't know how to handle that and Society wasn't accept accepting of that
01:01:17
which they should be and should have been that he turned to drug use to tried to combat these feelings that he was
01:01:26
having or try to I think to just try to cope with it self-medicate mhm and that turned into
01:01:35
again that him attacking that boy is not a homosexual activity no that's pedophilia yes that and you can lock
01:01:45
that guy up or you can put gasoline on him and light that [ __ ] on fire I don't give a [ __ ] well remember the
01:01:54
the Young man uh that he stabbed 12 times you know this this is now A A Very Old Man as well as Thomas quick is but
01:02:02
he's he's extremely angry that Thomas quick is out and walking around you know he he says you know this guy he ruined
01:02:10
my life he stabbed me 12 times tried to kill me he tried to kill me he hit organs inside my body with a knife he
01:02:18
left me there for Dead He's physically changed me forever and now he's out walking around the thing is this is such
01:02:27
a tough case though Captain because you know you you you kind of sit on the fence and you wonder you know did would
01:02:35
Thomas quick would he have eventually went on to kill I I think he was going that route yeah I think he was going
01:02:41
that route if he would have stayed on the drugs and the drinking and everything it looked to me like this was
01:02:46
going to happen that he might have potentially turned into the monster that he claimed to be well well further more
01:02:54
turned into the monster I think he already was yeah that monster I mean when you look you any attack on a child
01:03:02
like I said D that [ __ ] and gasoline I don't give a [ __ ] you know got better things to do with my life um
01:03:10
th those people shouldn't exist to me so anyways but but yeah so he has these things and they let him go and maybe
01:03:19
through some of the therapy he's reability you know maybe that he's somewhat reab abilitate I guess but uh I
01:03:26
and the tough thing for us here you know we we normally do you know cases in the
01:03:31
states yeah so it's kind of hard to understand what their laws are and why this took place but it's like and I and
01:03:39
and I'm all for the idea that some people just have some mental issues and so that needs to be there there needs to
01:03:46
be that separation where okay yeah this was a crime but this was a crime just due to mental illness there you go MH
01:03:52
you go to the hospital the secure Hospital uh this one was because you're just a piece of [ __ ] you go to prison
01:04:00
mhm I look I understand that but uh but some of their stuff with Sweden I don't understand so it's kind of hard to
01:04:07
comment on it well and it's also pointing out the fact that we we have seen time and time again in these
01:04:13
different cases the ramifications of false confessions and this is kind of seeing it from a different angle under a
01:04:20
different light uh the way that it can affect people all all right well but what are your final thoughts on this
01:04:28
matter I think we have a situation here where we have a guy that um you know people can people falsely confess to
01:04:36
things for different reasons sometimes it's because you have an overaggressive investigator who's interrogating you and
01:04:43
you're in a high stress situation and you're trying to relieve yourself of some of the stress some people confess
01:04:49
for that reason for for here we see I believe somebody that was seeking reward and almost seeking to be a part of
01:04:59
something or be somebody or be somebody you're exactly right I don't know that he was seeking fame you know sometimes
01:05:05
people will confess to famous crimes because they want to be famous well I think he enjoyed some of that as it was
01:05:11
happening some of the notoriety that came along with it but I think ultimately he I I think we have a person
01:05:18
that was on a bad road with with drugs and alcohol and it was leading him to extremely violent um and illegal
01:05:27
behavior and I think that it could have progressed to murder at some point had he not been locked up and and started
01:05:35
receiving treatment the problem is that during this treatment he starts confessing to things that he didn't do
01:05:41
why you know at at the same time when he's confessing think about what's going on in the world Silence of the Lambs was
01:05:47
coming out Jeffrey dmer was was in the news constantly yeah well one you know one of the confessions the one of the
01:05:54
things that he said he did to one of the victims was actually something he stole
01:05:59
from American Psycho yes he's he's reading about this stuff and a lot of but he was reading about that stuff CU
01:06:05
he also had access to it so not only could he confess to something he could actually look up certain crimes and then
01:06:13
when they start doing the trauma therapy oh by the way guess what I just realized that this this crime that I was
01:06:19
looking up last week on the internet that you weren't monitoring yeah I did that one right right right and you're
01:06:24
exactly right he he was reading about you know finding these crimes in in old newspapers and magazines and on the
01:06:30
internet and he was s he was getting some details about them and confessing to them and I think and what they do
01:06:37
give them a larger room give them an extra room give them the internet and I think it's somebody that that was this
01:06:42
guy's living better than people that do podcast that did bad things and found themselves in a situation where they
01:06:48
felt that you know they could manipulate the situation and receive reward by falsely confessing to things well let me
01:06:56
tell you something right me so the doctors wanted to believe that they were correct yeah they wanted to be like
01:07:03
these breakthrough we're coming up with this this stuff that's light years of past
01:07:08
anything you guys are doing right and the law enforcement wanted to believe it I think part that part I'm I'm not
01:07:15
putting more blame on them cuz they're L trying to listen to doctors but it's just laziness you know if that if it
01:07:22
doesn't line up and he's confessing to it you go hey dummy yeah this this doesn't line up you're right you're
01:07:28
right but it does get tough for these investigators that are being pulled aside by the doctor constantly going
01:07:33
just give it a chance just give it a chance you know you're you're listening to another trained professional you you
01:07:39
believe their opinion yeah and and part of it is that they also think they're doing a good thing you know like well
01:07:46
you know we're going to get Justice for this family and so I I feel for them on that part um but I think at the end end
01:07:54
of the day uh he has a lot of guilt he has to deal with it and and what he said um cuz what is that documentary called
01:08:04
because people could check out that documentary if they're interest confessions of Thomas quick yeah the
01:08:09
confessions of Thomas quick that's on Netflix but what he said at the end which I thought was pretty interesting
01:08:14
he said I bear the guilt and will do so uh to my grave uh towards the victims families they listen to me and my voice
01:08:25
and my [ __ ] in the courtroom that guilt and dismay is something I will carry until I die and as he should it it
01:08:33
offers no relief to any of these families but it it gives me some relief to hear that he is remorseful for this
01:08:41
well and our thoughts and and our hearts go out to the families and and all the people that were affected by one a
01:08:47
tragedy but then also the the tragic second coming of a tragedy because of Thomas quick uh and so yeah he he will
01:08:56
have to live with that and I I would not be surprised if he did commit a crime uh
01:09:03
later on in life just wouldn't be I I hope not I hope he's learned his lessons I hope he's dealt with rehabilitated as
01:09:11
well well I've hoped that he's dealt with some of his demons and and maybe with the support of his family and
01:09:16
support of friends that he it will stay on the right side of the law and uh that
01:09:22
wraps up this case which is kind kind of interesting for us cuz we've been doing
01:09:25
so many two-parters mhm so uh but we'll be back tomorrow with a little uh special special episode 100th episode of
01:09:35
True Crime garage a little party we'll throw a bit of a party in the garage tomorrow all right do we have a
01:09:42
recommended reading for this week we do captain and I picked this one because you know we we we talked about the
01:09:48
Thomas quick case we see eight con eight murder convictions where there's no physical evidence so I wanted to pick a
01:09:55
book that was more about physical evidence and this is a great one it's by Dr W and Donna Kaufman it's called from
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crime scene to courtroom examining the Mysteries behind famous cases interesting if you think that the media
01:10:11
has told you everything there is to know about Michael Jackson and Casey Anthony
01:10:16
and other famous crimes think again you'll want to check out this page Turner from Dr wet and Donna Kaufman
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again that's from crime scene to courtroom examining the Mysteries behind famous cases and you can pick that up by
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