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grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. [Music] Jason Landry was last seen in San
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Marcos, Texas on December 13th, 2020 when he left his apartment. This to drive to Missouri City. He was driving
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from San Marcos to his hometown of Missouri City in Texas. Investigators say he crashed his car, which was later
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found on Salt Flat Road. This is a gravel road in Lawling's oil field area. Jason's silver 2003 Nissan Ultima found
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wrecked and abandoned near Lingling, Texas. This is about 30 minutes from San Marcos. This is on December 14th when
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it's found in the area of 2365 Salt Flat Road just north of Lawling. The car was
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left with its lights on, keys in the ignition, and phone still inside. His cell phone still inside the car. His
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clothing was found nearby. Investigators believe the crash occurred between 11:30
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p.m. and 12:30 a.m. and that Jason likely walked away from the wreckage with little to no injury at all. One of
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the things that the Caldwell County Sheriff's Office did was to examine Jason's search history and
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communications leading up to his disappearance. And it sounds like he was using the Google
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search engine here and they found the following searches. How long can you live in the woods
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without food? How long can you go in the wilderness? I think you could probably just look up how long can you live
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without food. It does I don't know that it matters where you are. But what is key here though is that added word right
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in the those added words of in the woods. This could align with the later findings of
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the crash car. He's out in the air quotes wilderness, right? And he's nowhere to be found,
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>> right? But you don't have to crash your car and leave all your belongings behind
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in order to go camp out in the woods, >> right? Or go on some survival mission. >> And can I point out something that
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should be pretty obvious? I don't want to throw any shade towards his father. I just believe that I view life through a
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different lens. And I think I view his son from a different lens. And out of all the individuals we've ever talked
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about on this show that have gone missing, I identify with Jason so much. I mean, he was gone into a program that
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I went through that program, not at that school, but a program to become a audio
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engineer. I play guitar. I think one of the obvious things when we talk about this is Google history. And should we
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put a bunch of weight to it? You Google some weird stuff when you're stoned. >> I think people search the internet for
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weird stuff even when they're not stoned. Correct. Like probably my favorite thing about the existence of
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the internet is that when random things or questions pop in my head, I can just I can sit and ponder them, search for
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the answer myself in my own head, or I could just pick up my phone and smash it right into some search engine and it
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will pop up with answers. Not always the correct one, but answers. >> I think we have to take that search with
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a little bit of a a grain of salt. we're kind of saying here. It could be as simple as he's listening to something on
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the radio, sees something on TV, or some random thought pops in his mind and he's
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like, "Oh, I curious how long you could live in the woods without food." >> Yeah. One of the things that there's
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some speculation on, and it comes because, like I said, law enforcement release the video footage of their body
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cams and I think these police officers are just speaking out loud. They find his book bag. They start going through
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his book bag. Okay, now we find some joints inside what the pill bottle. And one of the cops say, "Well, is he a drug
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user? Is he a drug dealer? Is he somebody that is just a delivery person? Was were these joints all rolled for him
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to enjoy himself? Or was he going to sell these?" I don't think there's any evidence of this. You can be a pot
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smoker and not a drug dealer. But what makes me wonder again, I just don't like the fact that he's leaving so late at
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night and this seems to be out of his way and maybe he'd go out of his way so he could buy some drugs, but you'd go,
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"Well, his connection would probably be closer to his school or he had to have a
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connection back at home, so that doesn't make a lot of sense to me." And he already had some marijuana. Normally
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when you already have something, you don't go out of your way to get that thing.
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>> Correct. And the other thing too, I would ex expect that it would be far more easier for him
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to get more of more marijuana when he returns to his hometown. And >> exactly, we know he's meeting up with a
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friend, probably multiple friends at some point along this trip. it would to me stand a reason that it would be much
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easier and probably safer to go about getting it through those channels. And he does he does have some already with
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him. So, he's not in an immediate need. the as far as the the cops go here, like
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I'm I'm kind of in a weird spot because I can see and understand the criticisms and concerns by his family and other
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people who have put a lot of time and effort into this case about what the what law enforcement, the first
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responders could have done differently or in a lot of venues they're saying should have done differently. I I can I
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can agree with a lot of that and even sympathize with a lot of that. But the flip of that too, I can also agree and
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sympathize with the every cop's dayto-day. They regularly find abandoned cars. Okay? It is not uncommon for some drunk
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driver to smash their car and get out and walk home to avoid getting arrested and just leave the car there on the side
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of the road. And when I say not uncommon, if you live in a city of any size with a decent population, that's
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every Friday, Saturday night, it's I mean it just and look, I'm not saying that this is great, but we grow we do
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grow immune to things, right? We do grow used to things and things become commonplace for us in our life
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experiences. And if you are regularly showing up to abandoned vehicles that are all smashed up on the side of the
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road or even out in the middle of nowhere, many police officers experience that a hundred times throughout their
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career and and every single time the person that owned the vehicle is alive and well when they're tracked down. So
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we do become a product of that throughout some point and through our life experiences.
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>> Yeah. But I do want to applaud law enforcement because they have this footage and to be transparent, they
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released it and I understand some of the concerns that his father has. I think the problem when it comes to a missing
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person case or a murder investigation or whatever, I actually think it's important to get out as much
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information, whether it's good information or whether you think it paints them even in a bad because just
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the fact that we know that he was talking to his friend for a, you know, some time period, a little less than an
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hour, and his friend said, "Well, I recorded this because he was messed up." within not much time passing, he then
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drives home. That's a part of the equation. You go, well, why did he wreck his car? Well, maybe he continued to
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smoke pot or whatever. He got more impaired and that's what caused the car accident. Regarding some of that search
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history, we talked about that already, but let's talk about some of his communications. So, the authorities and
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people involved in the search for Jason have spoke to people that he was in regular communications with. And some of
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that was, you know, Jason leading up to his disappearance is talking about psychedelics,
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about the impact that psychedelics have are having on his life, about him experiencing a spiritual awakening
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possibly by the use of psychedelics. He's also talking to friends of his about reaching the some sort of
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spiritual enlightenment through the use of narcotics. >> Yeah, I think some of the stuff was like
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DMT. >> Well, there was a film I guess there's a I don't know what this is, so I I always
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hate talking on things that I I have no clue about, but one of the things I found
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>> I do it all the time. >> He was he was regularly referencing films like DMT, The Spiritual Molecule.
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>> Yeah. I've never tried it myself, but I but what's insane to me cuz I have done
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some research on this and I did some more research on it this week uh because of I knew this we're going to talk about
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this subject. One of the things that's fascinating about these DMT trips, whether they're just administered by
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somebody taken themselves or sometimes there's these situations where you have basically like a a a guide, but a lot of
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these people report the same stuff. The speculation to some of these people that
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have tried DMT is that maybe they're going into some kind of other dimension uh that's just always there. And that's
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why all these people's trips are very uh sympotico. >> Yeah, I've heard some crazy stuff about
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DMT. I I have no knowledge of the film itself. I have heard of a lot of people talk about DMT and and how crazy of a
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wild ride it is. The quick of it, for those of you that that don't know, it's the DMT is a hallucinogenic tryptoamine
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drug that occurs naturally in various plants. Some people call it the spirit molecule due to the intense psychedelic
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experience. The other things though, you know, we have a friend of his, Jack Frank, a guy that Jason knew since
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seventh grade. He actually said he was worried about his friend Jason. He told Texas Monthly, quote, "It seemed more
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apparent that our conversations were not making sense anymore. He would talk about the rapture coming, aliens, Jesus,
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Elon Musk, and all these things that he would tie together somehow. End quote. >> Yeah, he might have been listening to
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too much Joe Rogan. >> He told one friend too over Instagram, this is Instagram, this is the weekend
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before he went missing. this. He said, "Dude, I lowkey have always wanted to be a monk and reach spiritual enlightenment
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someday and levitate for meditation or turn into a stone statue and achieve nirvana or something."
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>> Look, here's another thing that we don't talk about. A lot of times when you're
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going from your late teens to your early 20s, especially in men, that's when things start rearing their ugly head.
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depression, anxiety, some kind of mental illness, whether it's uh manic episodes, glimpses
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of schizophrenia. And sometimes when these individuals are going through these transformations, they do start
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self-medicating themselves. When I smoke a little pot, it calms my brain down because I've had manic episodes. your
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brain starts racing at a speed that can be scary. That makes me wonder if if that was uh something he was doing. And
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then what are the effects on that individual if they're in a car wreck and they hit their head?
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>> You know, I've said it on the show a dozen times. I don't care that that the government says you're an adult when
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you're 18. Everybody becomes a man or a woman at a different time. Not necessarily when they're 18. We don't
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all mature at the same rate of speed. And I'm a firm believer that most of us still have a a soft spot on our head
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till our early to mid20s. And >> or 60s. >> And well, and science will tell you that
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in a lot of cases, the brain is still developing well into your early adulthood. And like you said, now let's
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we know he's smoking a lot of marijuana according to what everybody says. he's having communications and talks about
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doing all kinds of narcotics and and psychedelics. And then compound that idea with, well, he may have been
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involved in a accident that he could have incurred a an injury to his head that could be severe and not require him
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to shed blood, not require any bloodshed at the scene. None of this feels good to
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me for what I want the outcome to be. >> Right. Caldwell County investigator Jeff
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Ferry called the video a wealth of information, explaining it allowed investigators to determine that Jason
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was wearing what he was wearing when he left his San Marcos apartment and saying that those clothing that
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clothing matched the clothing that was found in the roadway near the crash site. the investigator. And I don't know
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how he's piecing this together because this I mean it it seems most likely, but I I again I think it's irresponsible to
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say it in this manner. He says quote the regarding the video it allowed us to here's the quote say with certainty that
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he's by himself in the car. Again, I think all things are all the indicators are that he was by himself. I I would go
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98% on that. I'm not willing to go 100% on that. Who's to say he didn't pick somebody up when he when he strayed from
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his route, right? Maybe is that the reason why he did stray from his route because he was going to pick somebody
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up. But you'd think because he's has having communication while he is driving that he would have communicated with
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this person on some level and we would have found out about that. It it doesn't seem to reason that he would have got
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carjacked. Again, I wouldn't say it's out of the realm of possibility, but you would think that the the jacker would
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have taken any item of valuable, you know, any valuables that they found on his person or in the car. And it it
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appears that again, like we said in episode one, unfortunately, the only thing that appears to be missing from
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the scene is Jason. >> Yeah. But tell me if I'm right or wrong, >> gray underwear are found at the scene.
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>> Yeah. And it's rumored that one of the police officers sniffed it. But tell me
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if I'm right or wrong on this. From what it seems to me is he he's off path. He stops his GPS. He's on a rural road.
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Something happens. He's now in a car wreck. His belongings either because of the car wreck went out of the car or he
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took those items out of the car with him. And then it seems at some point he takes off all of his clothes and he's
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still heading in a direction. And am I right or wrong? But there were some reports of a naked individual
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walking around that town. I'm not going to say that there were none. I'm I will say that I did not
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review any such reports. Yeah, I believe there was like some calls to like 911 where they were like there's a naked man
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running through town. So, if we just want to speculate on that, something happens. He hits his head for some
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reason. He leaves his items behind for some reason that causes him to take his clothes off. And we've seen this happen
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where when people are so disoriented that they do disrobe. And so I think the speculation from law
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enforcement, again, I I applaud them for releasing the information. I don't agree with the
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father that it taints his reputation. Like I said, I identify with Jason so much. And I think a lot of people that
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have gone through that early stages of college, when you even see videos of him, he just kind of light up. He just
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seems like a a good kid, you know? It just seems like a guy trying to find his path. And and their speculation is
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basically, well, he succumbed to the elements and then we got a giant problem with wild boores out there. We've seen
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this speculation before in the Brandon Lawson case. And I don't applaud them for their speculation because I don't
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think I'm not saying that it's impossible that that happened, but I'm just saying like I I don't know how much
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uh speculation you want to have on some of these things without any evidence. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is a tough one
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for sure. Nobody's nobody's questioning that. Now, back to his father, Kent. to Jason's father, Kent. He was actually
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the registered owner of the vehicle, which is of course very common for a parent to be the registered owner of one
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of their children's vehicles. Uh so he gets a call from police after they've found the car. And so he's going to hop
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in his vehicle and he's going to take off to the impound lot. When he gets there, he's the one that discovers
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Jason's phone still in the car. So, he finds Jason's cell phone wedged between the driver's seat and the center
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console, >> right, >> of the Nissan Ultima. And authorities would later say that, "Look, we don't
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know if the phone fell while Jason was driving through that intersection of Austin Street in Magnolia Avenue or
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during the crash. Either would make sense to me." >> Well, it could be the reason for the
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crash. I mean, you ever drop your phone on a weird spot and you start trying to feel around for it?
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>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's not a uh not an ideal situation um if you're traveling.
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So Kent Landry then takes off with the phone in hand and now he's on his way to the scene, the crash. He says that when
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he gets there, this is So this is a very quick response by Jason's dad, right? I
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think he's there. I think he's at the crash scene by 6:00 a.m. And once you factor in the delay in telling, you
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know, notifying Kent about the car and then the delay in because he's got to travel to the impound lot, which was
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closed at the time, to make it into his son's car to retrieve the phone and then
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get to the scene. I mean, this guy is this guy is moving along, working for his son, looking for his son, and at the
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scene by 6 a.m. I don't want to go through the all of it because he just he says his overall opinion is
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he doesn't think that the first responders did enough. And it's hard to argue against that when
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we have a missing person. I don't think that they did anything that wasn't out of protocol. you know, I didn't I don't
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see any malfeence or or any negligence on their behalf and others may have a different opinion of that and I will
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respect your opinion of that because again, as I said, somebody's missing that we don't want to be missing and and
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therefore it's it's easy to question the actions or lack thereof by anybody involved.
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[Music] All right, we are back. Talks in the air. Cheers to you, Colonel. >> Cheers to you, Captain. The the search
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efforts here, there's a lot of them. There's a lot of them. Now, one thing that of course the the parents are not
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going to want to hear is early on they bring out dogs to try to assist them in their search efforts because this is a
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lot of space and wide open spaces. Bringing in the dogs can be advantageous to your efforts. I danced around the dog
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thing last week and and in some episodes where we cover certain cases because while a big fan of using dogs, I think
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that there are complications with it that are not openly discussed. If you do enough digging and enough research, you
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will quickly find that the experts are not in full agreement at the capabilities of these dogs. Okay? Some
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will tell you that they can do everything. According to the new recent Superman movie, apparently dogs are the
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greatest things to ever exist. >> Dogs are pretty cool though, man. >> Some of these experts and trainers will
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tell you that their capabilities are through the roof and then others will tell you about their limitations very
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quickly. So, I think they're the experts and while they can't agree, then there's
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nothing wrong with me questioning. And just recently, I mean, we've talked about scent dogs in a bunch of cases,
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but just recently going back and looking at the John Benet Ramsey case, and they
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were talking about bringing in scent dogs, and they were talking about how certain dogs uh like they had a dog that
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was on standby, but that dog was mainly like the scent had to like be on the ground, meaning like somebody walked
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away. where other dogs they might have the ability to track a scent just through the air.
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>> But again, is that true? That's what I that's what I'm pointing out here. When
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the experts can't agree on that, I do agree that there are some dogs that can do some things that others can't. What
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I'm saying is when you review the overall information and the experts can't agree, I I don't trust I have a
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hard time trusting it. Now, if your dog leads me to the person I'm looking for, I trust that. And here in this
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situation, we have eight dogs that were indicating that there were human remains
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in a small pond that was not terribly far from the vehicle accident scene. >> Right.
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>> And so the police are telling Jason's father, "Look, man, we are sorry. We are
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sorry to tell you this. We are going to drain that pond and and we fully expect to be finding him. We understand that we
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are are sending you down a road to hell here because you don't want to find your
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dead son out here in this pond, but we're trying to prepare you for that because that's how strongly we believe
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in what our dogs are telling us. Not one dog, not two, not three, but eight of them are telling us that there is a dead
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body in this pond. They spent days draining the pond while the father sits nearby close enough to hear the pumps
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pumping out the water waiting to find the corpse of his son. And when they fully drain it, all they get is [ __ ]
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mud. No body. And and and then the father, how do you feel? Is that what relieves this?
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>> Wasted time. >> The only good part is this happens in the early stages of the investigation
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where you still have hope that you may find your son alive. This was really interesting. This was some stuff that
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was in Texas Monthly that they were talking about that one scientist that they spoke to said that there could be
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some kind of that that maybe the investigators were experiencing and encountering a chemical phenomenon.
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There's something in the oil production process when it's mixed with water that's creating the illusion of human
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decomposition. And that's what this scientist says that the dogs may be picking up on.
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>> But they can't say that with any level of certainty. They they're only guessing
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as to why the dogs were so adamant that there were human remains in that pond. And yet when they drain it, there's
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nothing. >> So if we talk to dogs, >> right? And then let's pretend for a moment that this this scientist is
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correct in his hypothesis. Well, if if this scientist is correct, then the the use of those dogs in this
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area are moot. There's no reason to be you're you're getting false flags. So, this was just I believe on Wednesday,
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right? He went missing on Sunday, Monday. Wednesday, December 16th is when they start to drain the pond based off
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of what the dogs are telling them. I do think the location he was found in did hinder some things because I think if he
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was found closer to his hometown, they could have had larger searches and maybe they would have found more.
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>> I'm of the belief that had he just crashed his car 5 10 minutes earlier, we would never be having these
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conversations. We would never know the name. You and I would never know the name Jason Landry,
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>> right? >> But without going through all the search efforts because there was a lot of them.
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And if you are one of the people listening to this that participated in any of those searches, I applaud you and
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and thank you for your efforts. >> You're a legend. >> They spent throughout the entirety of
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all the searches that that were done. You know, they've they've deployed things like scan sonar. They've
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conducted water searches. They've drained ponds like we just talked about. They did the use of drones, horseback.
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They brought in Equasarch very quickly in this case, which is a Texas-based nonprofit that unfortunately was the the
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genesis of that search and rescue team stems from the Texas killing field case. They used helicopters multiple times.
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They covered over their efforts, they covered more than 31,000 acres of land and some of the on foot as well.
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They've found nothing, man. They've they found nothing to tell us what happened to Jason. They've not even found any
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clues. I mean, at some point they did find some bones, but that those after further testing were determined not to
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be human. In in July of 2022, a man with physical was with a physical resemblance
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to that of Jason Landry was found unconscious in New York City. Later testing confirms that that man was not
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Jason. >> Yeah. But when researching this and I get to that part of the story, I think
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to myself, no, there's no way it's him. until they show a picture of the guy in the hospital that they sent to Jason's
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dad. And I'm telling you, man, it's like cuz I didn't know the full story. I'm going, "That's him. How the hell did he
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get to New York?" >> And even the father said, "I looked at that photo over and over, kind of saw my
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son in it." And then obviously, you know, they they figure out who that individual is, and it isn't Jason. But
00:30:59
man, if you see that picture and you see pictures of Jason, you go, "Those those
00:31:04
guys look very similar." >> So, to give further insight into some of the search efforts, here's a Facebook
00:31:10
post from April 22nd of this year from 2025. And it reads, this is a call to action.
00:31:16
So, it reads, "From the volunteer search team, all hands on deck, volunteers needed for May search, they mean the
00:31:23
month of May, join the Jason Landry search team now. There is an opportunity to apply to join in these efforts and
00:31:30
now is the time. Team leaders are putting together the roster for the last search before we will be forced to pause
00:31:38
for the hot summer months. We hope and pray this will be the last search because Jason is found. We are asking
00:31:46
for as many volunteers as possible to make this our biggest search to date. This will be the team's 24th 24th search
00:31:56
over a span of three years. We will have access to areas previously unattainable
00:32:02
and may have only one opportunity to get this done. We need your help. Here is what one can expect on search days.
00:32:11
Extreme heat, snakes and wildlife, cacti, mosquite brush, and rugged terrain. Long hours on foot in the
00:32:19
elements. A list of basic requirements. Physically fit and mentally resilient. Able to hike for extended periods.
00:32:26
Comfortable working in remote challenging environments. Able and willing to listen and follow direction.
00:32:32
All searchers are required to attend an orientation Zoom meeting prior to their first search. This is your chance to
00:32:40
join in these efforts. We welcome you to apply. And there's a [email protected].
00:32:47
And unfortunately, they again they don't find him on this search as well as we know. And so I would imagine that there
00:32:55
will be more of these searches because this search took place in took place in late May of this year. I believe it was
00:33:02
May 20th. But a a Facebook post after says over 50 people were at this weekend search by the Jason Landry search team.
00:33:11
This 24th volunteer search was the largest one yet. We'd like to thank everyone involved in the search. the
00:33:17
many dog teams, the land owners and ranch hands, and the community of Lawling. It takes a lot to make each
00:33:23
search happen. Each search puts us closer to finding Jason. We are so grateful for the continued support.
00:33:31
>> Yeah. But I think the problem with this case is the location. And I think the
00:33:37
other problem with this case is wildlife. And I think any speculation that he was attacked by a wild boar, I
00:33:46
think we'd see some kind of evidence of that. And I don't think we see evidence of that. But but let's go a step further
00:33:56
because to me, I was going, okay, well, this is roughly what law enforcement or at least what Jason's father is saying.
00:34:04
Hey, I I the I think law enforcement just think he was attacked by a wild boar and and that therefore we're not
00:34:12
going to put much effort into this case. I think they have put decent effort into
00:34:17
it. Again, we can criticize every step of the way when you don't have a result. But I went down this rabbit hole.
00:34:25
There's anywhere from two to four million wild boores in Texas, which is the most out of any place in the in the
00:34:35
United States, >> probably in the world. >> And one of the things I I thought was
00:34:40
also really interesting, I mean, I went down a giant pig rabbit hole. What's interesting is if you have a domestic
00:34:48
pig that gets out and becomes feral, they start changing within months. Now, the interesting thing though is most of
00:34:57
these boores, they're not eating meat. They dig. They're actually their noses, their snouts will will grow longer
00:35:06
because they will dig into the ground. They'll eat bugs, roots, things like that. And that's one of the problems
00:35:13
that Texas is having because with their their farmers, deer come in, they eat the top of your grass, and they move on.
00:35:20
The pigs come in, they eat the grass and all the roots and leave nothing but >> they root. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:27
>> And and so think about how crazy that is. They become feral and then their their snouts start growing longer so
00:35:33
they can dig further. But some of them will eventually eat meat. Once they get a taste of meat,
00:35:42
they tend to continue to eat meat and actually end up preferring it. So you'll see them mainly, they don't attack
00:35:52
animals. They basically eat the remains of animals. >> They will attack though. I mean,
00:35:59
razorbacks will will absolutely attack and and usually their method is they they charge you and that while they can
00:36:08
be rather large animals, they want to upend you. They want to take you out by the legs and now you are you are stuck
00:36:17
on the ground. And look, pigs in general are omnivores. You have carnivores, you
00:36:24
have herbivores and you have omnivores and it goes on and on. But omnivore will eat anything and does eat everything.
00:36:32
Pigs do and always have. And so wherever they get the meat, they will consume it.
00:36:40
I think that while there Yeah, I think while there are a lot of people that may believe in the wild boar theory, it
00:36:48
stands to good reason, but it's missing one big part of the equation. The wild boar before it attacked Jason didn't ask
00:36:58
him to kindly disrobe, >> right? >> So, that is a weird part of it. But, let's so let's talk about some other
00:37:05
possible scenarios that have been mentioned throughout this. And I don't know that we'll hit on all of them
00:37:10
because to be honest with you, Captain, when starting to review the theories as to what may have happened to this young
00:37:17
man, there were no shortage of them. And there were some that were pretty far out
00:37:21
there. And I'll I'll try to steer clear of those. But well, when you have DMT brought up in an investigation, that's
00:37:28
going to open up the speculation more. Uh maybe he's on a DMT trip and he never returned or a Sasquatch or abducted by
00:37:39
aliens. There's some weird ones out there. >> The DMT thing is rough for me. That's
00:37:45
difficult because what did he do? Crash his car and then decide to go on a DMT trip because the way it's been described
00:37:51
to me, he wasn't he's not making it 30 minutes from his apartment in a vehicle if he's tripping on DMT.
00:37:58
>> Right. So this is from again from Texas Monthly where they were talking to some
00:38:04
of the locals and the idea of back to something you were talking about like well what would happen this was
00:38:10
something we talked about with Brandon Lawson and actually was was a big was in large part my speculation as to what I
00:38:16
thought had happened to Brandon. So, very similar to what I thought had happened to Brandon here. They're asking
00:38:21
people in Caldwell County, you know, late at night, if some strange person wanders onto your property or approaches
00:38:27
you, what do you think would happen? Or approaches somebody that lives here, what do you think would happen? And one
00:38:34
person in particular says, "If it was a woman, people would probably think she was in distress. If it was a naked man,
00:38:40
I think it's safe to say he could end up dead." >> Yeah. Because what does Texas have?
00:38:45
probably just as much as wild boores. They have guns. And so that's a possibility.
00:38:51
>> I guess it's called paradoxal undressing. And that is when people experiencing
00:38:58
levels of hypothermia that they start to undress. There's been some push back on
00:39:04
that. So this stands to reason too, but there's been push back on this theory for a couple reasons. Usually when
00:39:09
people are to that level where they're starting to undress, they're near death. So they're usually found very close to
00:39:17
where their clothing would be found. We can say well it's been all this time but
00:39:22
his remember his clothing was found that night. The other part of this too is that there are doctors saying we don't
00:39:31
know that it even reached that level for him or if it could have reached that level. Now every situation, every
00:39:39
experience of this is unique. every person is different and doctors are quick to point that out. They're also
00:39:45
saying, you know, in and there's one pathologist from an autopsy service that's referenced here in Texas Monthly
00:39:52
that says out of all of the autopsies that I've done, I've only experienced paradoxal undressing fewer than 10
00:40:01
times, like in the the history of my career. And then it goes on to actually say here that in the United States,
00:40:09
while mild cases of hypothermia are very common, the deaths are very rare. Temperatures got in the 30s that night.
00:40:17
It's difficult to say if that how likely of a possibility that is, but it remains
00:40:24
a theory that is out there. I think it to me though that that would be the most reasonable explanation as to why his
00:40:33
clothes were found there and that maybe he physically was able to make it further away from his clothing than what
00:40:42
others would. Maybe he was in better physical shape and condition and was able to make it much much further than
00:40:48
than what others typically would. >> Yeah. Or maybe it has nothing to do with hypothermia and it's just a brain
00:40:57
injury. >> This uh retired FBI agent named Abel Pena says that he thinks that Jason was
00:41:06
actually met with violence with some pretty random violence. This is interesting. He says it's possible that
00:41:13
Jason encountered one or more people at the intersection. Remember we talked about that intersection where he's he's
00:41:20
he continues going straight where he should have turned right and then he continues going straight for some time.
00:41:25
He says it's entirely possible that Jason encountered one or more people at the intersection who beat him up, took
00:41:31
his car and staged the wreck along Salt Flat Road. Jason was forced to strip and
00:41:36
his clothes were left on the road before he was disposed of somewhere far away from that location. quote, "I don't
00:41:47
think it was necessarily kidnapping." Pñena said, "I think it could have been a random act of violence. Maybe
00:41:54
something that went south pretty quickly, and maybe the individuals involved didn't mean to kill him, but
00:42:01
then had to do something to hide the evidence." And in short, he kind of calls this an extraction, right? like
00:42:08
it's it's everything but the body that is found at the the different scenes where the where the violence and the
00:42:15
assaults occurred. >> Now, I think this speculation to me makes some sense and and here's why. And
00:42:20
I don't think it's just this rand random encounter where these individuals were like, "Oh, well, we're we're just going
00:42:28
to uh we're just going to rob this guy or kill this guy randomly." It's the damage to the car. What if he's hit by a
00:42:37
vehicle and they take off and he and he tries to go after them, ends up wrecking
00:42:43
because of it? Or or maybe he hit somebody and then took off because then the evidence of that car, the vehicle
00:42:52
could be back at the intersection and not at the where his car crashed. If that makes any sense.
00:42:58
>> Yes. And but what PA is saying, what he means by random is not that people set
00:43:04
out for a random act of violence. That the the randomness of the victim and perpetrator crossing paths. They don't
00:43:11
know each other. They didn't intend to cross paths. Nei neither nobody intended to be a victim. Nobody intended to be to
00:43:18
assault someone that night. that it just something happened like you said and this is the result in extraction where
00:43:26
it's everything found but the body. >> Well, and think about this though. Let's just say he's impaired and he hits
00:43:35
another car and takes off and the driver's like, "Oh, no you don't." And he starts chasing him and then that
00:43:41
causes a wreck and then that causes whatever happened after that. I mean, I think it's a likely possibility, but
00:43:47
again, it's not definitive. We can only speculate. >> What do you think happened? Or or is
00:43:52
there not enough here to come to any con? >> No, I think there's these pieces that
00:43:56
are missing. Like if there's evidence of a crash with another car at the scene, then then I think one can speculate
00:44:06
where that went from there. I don't know if it's anybody's fault why we don't have that evidence cuz like I said, if
00:44:12
there was a car wreck back at the intersection or somewhere else, it still doesn't make any sense of why he's in
00:44:17
that area. That doesn't make any sense to me. And like we know he was using waves. So we know he's using GPS to get
00:44:25
to somewhere. And what I want to know is like were they able to figure out where
00:44:30
his ending destination was? Was the ending destination his hometown or was it another address? And you think if it
00:44:38
was another address in that county where he was found, you'd think we'd know that
00:44:43
information. Again, we don't know what is being held back by law enforcement, but it seems like they've been trying
00:44:49
their best to be transparent. >> Well, well, no, that part they have sorted out. I mean, as far as we know
00:44:55
and everything we've been told that the ending destination was his friend's house in Missouri City, which is a long
00:45:02
way away from where his vehicle was found. >> And then in regard to >> But think about that. But hold on. Think
00:45:09
about that for a second. That's what makes no sense. I'm going to turn on my GPS. The ending destination is here and
00:45:17
I'm way off track. And so then you just wonder like because he was communicating
00:45:22
with people on the phone, is it possible that he just turned off? >> He's only a couple miles off track. It's
00:45:30
I look at this and go I think he just briefly got lost and before he could correct his route,
00:45:38
>> right, >> something happened. They do call it lost for a reason, right? You don't none of
00:45:44
us instantly know the second we become lost. >> I do it. It was 1997. >> And so it may have taken him some time
00:45:51
to realize, hey, oh, I probably shouldn't have turned off my ways. I can only speak to my own personal
00:45:59
experience, but often time if I'm I like taking road trips. I love taking road trips, but but I'm as guilty as Jason is
00:46:07
for doing way too many things while I'm in the car, right? Like I'm I'm constantly looking for for music to
00:46:14
listen to or or a podcast to listen to or or an audio book, right? And it's like cuz I want to be entertained. I get
00:46:23
bored very quickly, very easily. And so there are times where I'm draining my phone or my device or it feel or you
00:46:32
touch it and it feels like it's on fire because you're like, well, I'm running my navigation. I'm running this podcast
00:46:39
and you go, you know what? I don't need to according to my ways or my navigation
00:46:45
or whatever app I'm using. According to this app, I don't have to make a turn for another
00:46:53
45 miles or another 60 miles. I will regularly turn off the navigation just so I'm not running a bunch of apps while
00:47:03
I'm traveling. I'll make me quick mental note of the miles on my car and go, you
00:47:09
know what, Nick uh says you you don't have to make a turn for 60 miles. How about we make a mental note to flip this
00:47:16
back on after I've traveled 50 miles? And it could be just something as simple as he he flipped it off for the for
00:47:22
reasons like that or not unlike that and then realize at some point I'm lost. We've all been there where where we've
00:47:30
traveled a route on a previous occasion and all of a sudden you're going, I don't remember seeing any of this
00:47:37
before. Wait a second. I must be lost. Again, you're right. You are absolutely right. There are pieces of this missing.
00:47:43
If there if there weren't, we would have figured it out. We would have found Jason a long time ago. So, you're you're
00:47:48
spot on with that, my friend. As far as there being the accident occurring elsewhere, I call that into question the
00:47:56
likelihood of that based off of when it when seeing the wrecked vehicle after it's been towed. One thing that's
00:48:03
sitting next to the vehicle was the bumper or a large chunk of the bumper. Now, may have it fallen mostly the way
00:48:11
off and then fell the the rest of the way off during the transporting it from Rex scene to the impound lot. Could be.
00:48:19
or it could have been sitting next to the vehicle when they found it at the crash scene. To me, if if that's the
00:48:25
case, what I'm getting at is at the scene where the car is found, you are finding evidence that the accident the
00:48:32
wreck occurred there where we don't have any there could be two wrecks. Look, just hypothetically, he's driving. He's
00:48:42
communicating with his friends on the phone. He's not paying attention to Waves. Waves is saying, "Hey, bud.
00:48:47
You're going the wrong way. you're going the wrong way. Eventually, he pays attention. Oh [ __ ] I'm going the wrong
00:48:53
way. I'll just turn it off. >> He had turned it off. Yeah, he had turned it off.
00:48:56
>> Right. Let me talk. And then we then we get to the end of the talk. >> You know, I know, but I'm I'm just just
00:49:02
to clear, you know, when the timeline is key here. I'm just pointing out that it's it's explained in the timeline that
00:49:09
that the ways app was shut off before he was going in the wrong direction. >> Okay. So, at some point, like you said,
00:49:18
he's talking to his friends. He decides to turn off the directions. He misses whatever exit or whatever road he's
00:49:26
supposed to take. He's headed in the wrong direction. So, then he decides, I'm just going to have to turn around at
00:49:32
this next e exit. And maybe the thought was, well, once I get to a gas station or something, cuz that's one thing that
00:49:40
I didn't see, and maybe you saw, how much gas did he have in his car? And so whatever question the reports are that
00:49:49
there the there were there was gas in it but nobody I've not found anything to say how much.
00:49:55
>> Right. And some people will go hey it's getting late. I need to stop and get gas
00:50:00
before it turns midnight. But also I'm lost. Let me get off this road. But let's say he gets off this road and we
00:50:05
know he's impaired. We know that because his friend said so. If he hits somebody,
00:50:12
let's say he runs his car into the back of somebody else's car and goes, "Oh shit." And then takes off and then ends
00:50:19
up wrecking his car on the rural road. Now there's two accidents, but we'd only know about the second accident if we
00:50:27
found the debris at the other uh the crime scene, if you will. >> Correct. >> So I I I I totally agree with you. the
00:50:36
the bumper thing that all probably happened at that accident scene. But is there another accident scene? Because
00:50:46
>> I want to be clear here. I'm agreeing with you. I said at this at the start of
00:50:50
this timeline here, when we got to the the crash part, when I look at the vehicle, I'm seeing two impact points on
00:50:56
the vehicle. So, two accidents are completely possible, I believe. >> Yes. the Yes. And I also agree with what
00:51:04
you're saying with there could have been one accident at another location. I'm just simply pointing out that there is
00:51:10
>> evidence of an accident at the scene where the car was found and no evidence of an accident elsewhere.
00:51:17
>> I'm not saying that that an accident elsewhere didn't occur. I'm just saying we have nothing to tell us or suggest
00:51:23
that it may have occurred. >> Yeah. other than I think looking at the damage of the car. I think if you bring
00:51:29
in an expert and go how did this damage happen? Is it is is this damage possible? All this damage is it possible
00:51:38
at this scene? Because if you find little pieces of information and again we also don't know what the condition of
00:51:44
the car was. Did did he have any fender benders on the car before he took off to
00:51:49
go back home? And I think it's very plausible. you go. Somebody hits you with their car and takes off because
00:51:56
they're impaired. Well, that that could co cause a a nasty confrontation. But I think the problem is obviously if
00:52:06
something turned to murder, that person is not going to be waving the red flag for you to come get them. I guess you
00:52:15
always have the possibility of somebody telling somebody, but I again I think if
00:52:19
he did hit his head and nobody else was involved in the accident, I think the problem becomes if he we don't know how
00:52:27
far he made it and we don't know how confused he was. And then the other problem to that is you have these indiv
00:52:34
you have these animals that are prone to feed off of dead animals. So, is it possible
00:52:44
that he was able to make it a far enough distance but ended up just collapsing and and then we're just not going to
00:52:51
find his remains because of the animals, if that makes any sense. >> Yes, it makes absolute sense. I actually
00:52:59
think that he he did unfortunately I hate to say this because it doesn't it doesn't leave a
00:53:07
lot of hope out there. My conclusion I think he died out there that night. I think he was in a solo accident by
00:53:14
himself. I think that he was quite impaired. I think that he was quite impaired in life before he got into that car that
00:53:24
night. I think he was quite impaired >> before he woke up that morning. I think he was smoking way too much pot.
00:53:33
>> I think that a lot was going on chemically and emotionally and in his brain, which we don't understand the
00:53:40
brain very well at all. I think he hit his head, man. I think he hit his head in that that car. And I
00:53:45
think that that is why the mystery is so mysterious that none of it makes any sense because it didn't make sense to
00:53:52
him when he's when he was experiencing it. We all know that look, sleeping after a concussion is extremely
00:53:58
dangerous. Um, I mean, I could go on and on. I I don't I don't know that hypothermia had to
00:54:05
even play a big role in this. Maybe it played a role in it, but I don't know if it played a huge role in it. And I think
00:54:11
that >> I agree. >> I think he died out there that night. And I don't think it was due to an
00:54:15
animal attack. I think he just I think he died from the accident itself and something he experienced during that
00:54:23
accident. Probably some severe head trauma. And >> well, I'm not leaning towards an animal
00:54:28
attack. I'm saying the animals would be responsible for why we don't find him. Because
00:54:34
>> if anybody wants to have a better understanding of this, uh, just type in like Adam Greentree
00:54:42
wild boar attack cuz he was attacked by a wild boar. The guy ended up killing the wild boar and they ended up opening
00:54:50
up the wild boar's stomach. Now, this wild boar was eating animals, coming across dead animals. And in this boar's
00:55:00
stomach, they found bones and skull fragments and and all this stuff. And so all I'm saying is that's evidence that
00:55:08
if you're in Texas and you end up dying for whatever reason out in a rural area,
00:55:16
there's a possibility that you would come across this type of animal or other animals. doesn't have to be a wild boar,
00:55:24
but that's why we haven't found his remains. >> Yeah. I you you expire anywhere outdoors, you're you're at risk of
00:55:36
animals doing things with the body. That's what they do. I mean, it's it's it's their habitat, not ours. That's
00:55:43
that's the circle of life. That's what happens. And I think to me the, you know, there seems to be a consensus
00:55:51
among law enforcement in the area in Caldwell County that animals got him or he died and then animals are responsible
00:55:59
for why they've not recovered his remains. And I think that it's best >> which really sucks because
00:56:07
>> his family seems like a really cool family and his dad seems very concerned. And even though I think he views certain
00:56:16
actions by law enforcement and even maybe the media to being throw throwing shade to his son because he he smoked
00:56:23
pot. It sucks cuz I don't know if they're going to get the answers that they deserve. And it sucks because Jason
00:56:31
Landry seemed to be a really cool kid. You know, it seems like, yes, he was finding his path. And look, young kids
00:56:41
look up stuff just because you smoke a little pot and you're trying to find your way in this world. And again, like
00:56:48
you said, we don't know what was going on with him mentally or whatever. And he could have been self-medicating and that
00:56:53
that's a tragedy in itself. And then I and we don't know, but I I I'm sure some people know this answer, but if you're
00:57:03
heading into a mental state of let's say like bipolar or schizophrenia, does that
00:57:08
affect you differently if you get into a car accident, if you have a concussion?
00:57:15
I I don't know those answers. I'm not, you know, a a neuroscientist, just a captain.
00:57:22
>> And nobody should be throwing any shade on Jason here. I mean, the the he was in
00:57:27
his early 20s, right? >> I don't think they are. I just think his dad is perceiving it that way. And and I
00:57:34
don't think he's wrong for perceiving it that way. He's going to obviously look through life or look at life through his
00:57:41
lenses. And so, I think it's something that maybe he's maybe a little shameful that his son was doing this, but it's
00:57:48
like he was going into audio engineering. When I went to school for a hot hill engineering, there was more people that
00:57:56
smoked pot than smoked cigarettes. But the other cool thing about being a recording engineer or record producer or
00:58:03
whatever, is normally when you're making records, you don't talk just about like
00:58:09
normal life stuff. You talk about weird stuff. DMT trips. You talk about being on the road. You talk about
00:58:18
um partying. You talk about girls. You talk about ghosts. you talk, you know what I mean? So,
00:58:25
I don't know. I but out of all the people that we've looked into, like I said, I just identify with this kid so
00:58:31
much and it's just such a shame um that this stuff happened to him because because especially when you find
00:58:39
something that you're passionate about and you love and I'm sure he loved music and he wanted, you know,
00:58:46
to get into that program like he was about to have some of the best times of his life. Well, in this country is
00:58:53
dotted the this country's landscape as well as many other countries landscapes are dotted with universities that are
00:59:00
filled with kids that are smoking pot and typing in oddball questions to >> search engines on the daily. So, he's he
00:59:12
he to me represents a lot of a lot of me and a lot of uh people I knew growing up
00:59:18
growing up and coming up. And so I I hope and wish the best for Jason and his family. Remember Jason Landry is 6'1
00:59:27
in tall, 170 lbs, Caucasian with brown eyes at the time of his disappearance on December 13th and 14th of 2020. He had
00:59:36
shaggy brown hair and a goatee. He sometimes wears glasses, although he didn't have them with him when he got
00:59:41
out of his car. He's presumed to have been wearing contacts. His crashed, smashed vehicle, a silver or possibly
00:59:49
platinum color 2003 Nissan Ultima, was located with the keys in the ignition on Salt Flat Road. He has been missing for
00:59:58
over four years. He would have turned 26 years old just last week. There is a reward in this case of $20,000.
01:00:08
Of course, contingent on a few stipulations, but there is a reward. The missing Jason t-shirts, signs, and
01:00:16
posters say know something? Call the Texas Attorney General at 512-9360742 or call anonymously
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at 7267771359. in his case and story is on all of the major social platforms at find Jason
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Lander. I want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every week.
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If you have a case that you would like for us to do a deep dive into, email [email protected].
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Colonel, do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners? >> Yes, this week, Captain, I want to
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recommend to all of the beautiful listeners and the one that is not beautiful. You know who you are.
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>> I'm sorry. Texas Monthly. Texas Monthly. A fantastic magazine. And it's not fully
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based on true crime obviously, but that's one thing that they do talk about. And they do visit some of the
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more known and lesserk known cases in the great state of Texas. Some of the more popular recent ones, Tom Brown's
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body, that was a long form article turned to a podcast that had many episodes. Fantastic case. In fact,
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that's a case that's been recommended and suggested to us many, many times. I just Texas Monthly did such a fantastic
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job with it. I I often email the suggesttor back and say, "Hey, check out Texas Monthly's coverage on it." The
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article that we referenced here today multiple times is titled Where Jason Went. I believe the online version of it
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has a different title, but that came out in their most recent issue. They're not
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your typical magazine when it comes to true crime or or their their stories, right? You you may check out different
01:02:18
publications and they'll have one page, maybe two pages. This is a deep dive. It's like 20 pages of the Jason Landry
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story. And another great long form was from 2022 titled How Many Did He? Um, so some really great stuff by the great
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people at Texas Monthly. The only downfall about my love for this magazine is that they're regularly featuring
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wonderful and great Texas barbecue and I only get to the state about every other
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year. So, I'm I'm missing out big time and I know what I'm missing out on. You can find that recommendation so you
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don't have to miss out and many other great recommendations on our recommended page on our website trueimeg.com.
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And until next week, be good, be kind, and don't witter. Heat. Heat. [Applause] [Music]