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La Murray a handsome native and 12 years ago today she disappeared just moments after a car crash on Route 112 in haal
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a.m. on April 1st 2006 Amy melic went missing October 27th 1989 in Bay Village Ohio she was led by what
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devil the 6-year-old Adam W Sunday October 16th 1983 the mutilated body of a boy is
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road one of the men told police I thought I saw an elbow sticking out of the bag but it turned out to be a
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Pat yourself on the back yeah once in a while every now and then and plus we just you know a big question that people
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ask often is well well so I think the speculation is that that oh you get to talk about True Crime every week that
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must be amazing it is some weeks it is some weeks most weeks I would say but the thing here is uh one thing I think
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that people don't get is that we kind of get eyeballs deep in a new case every week so we have about three or four days
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to really dive into something and then as fascinated as we get with some of these cases we have to move on with our
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time because we're back here next week putting out new shows right more content so let's take this episode captain and
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let's both review what we believe to be our top 10 unsolved cases that we have covered on this show so far it's a good
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chance to kind of reflect on things that we've done and if anybody is late to the
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party they can get caught up and check out some of the old cases that we have covered ones that are near and dear to
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our hearts so the trailer that you heard earlier was just kind of compilation of
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all those different cases mhm so without further Ado captain let's count backwards from 10 down to one and we'll
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review our top 10 unsolved cases of True Crime garage history th far is this some
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kind of weird sobriety test so first up on my list Captain I have at number 10 the very strange disappearance of UMass
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college student Mara Murray uh who disappeared in February of 2004 she was 21 years old this case is over 13 years
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old now and it's a very popular case uh to say the least it's been covered by most of the big mystery type TV shows uh
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it's really and you know and I hate saying this because it's somebody's life that we're talking about but it's very
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much a movie like Disappearance in my mind right uh you know when you first look at it it's as simple as she leaves
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her dorm room she's driving out in the middle of white Hills New Hampshire which is basically the middle of nowhere
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uh she gets in a car accident and then she disappears and on the surface that is what this case looks like but then
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when you start peeling back and peeling off the layers we learn that Mara's movements are pretty strange before her
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disappearance things also don't seem to be so bright and shiny with her boyfriend Billy um we covered this in
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episodes 29 and 30 plus we did we quite a bit more information on this case and our true crime addict uh show which we
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did uh episode 31 yeah with James rener and the the very interesting thing with this case is the strong opinions yeah
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you know what if you believe this it's almost like you're on a football team you know like that you believe in the
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Patriots and if you believe in the Patriots then then we can't be friends and somebody that you know I respect as
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a interesting author James rener gets a lot of flak for his ideas I personally do not agree with his ideas on this case
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but but you know people like they like to shine some hate on people right based off this case it's a very interesting
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case and a very interesting Community around the case the great thing about this case is that there's so many
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different theories out there but that can be the bad thing too because not everybody likes to you know when when
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people sit around and they share their theories about this case it's like you said people have gotten so involved in
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this thing that they get very opinionated and when you discuss theories they're they're rather trying
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to convince you than to just join in the conversation and me personally I like to
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sit down and hear anybody's theories and I don't really need them to carry much weight at all when you have a
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disappearance as strange as this I think any theory is worth listening to and the
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thing here with her case it's it's such a fascinating case because you know before she once we learn about her
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movements then you create all these other questions you know was this was this a suicide was this a a purposeful
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disappearance did somebody abduct her um you know the list goes on and on and to
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be frank you know we know she leaves her dorm room we're not even really certain
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where she was going that night before she disappeared yeah this is a case that to this day if somebody sends me a text
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saying that you know here's a new article about it or here's a new episode of a podcast about Mara Murray's
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disappearance I will check it out probably that day mhm so big uh big interest in this case
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all right for my number 10 uh I have Joey leut M Joey leut was a kid that went missing and I say kid he was in his
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20s right and he a young man out at a local bar in Columbus a bar that I've gone to several times called the Union
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uh he went missing his body would L later be discovered in the scota river and uh there was no punctures or
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anything there was no wounds so how he actually died there was autopsy done and there's still the investigation is still
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going on but uh his father actually reached out to us because we did a you know covered his case uh Joseph and um
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that do meant a lot because it meant to me it felt like I was doing something with a purpose yeah and it it's also
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really brings makes us aware of the rest of the world around us you know we talk
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about these different cases and there are ones out there that are that still need answers you know they they they
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absolutely need these answers and the thing is you know once in a it doesn't happen often but once in a while we will
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get contacted by a family member that stumbled across our show and and I I have to believe that sometimes these
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people that that you know these victims and their families you know that there's
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a big loss in their heart and I think that sometimes they wake up some mornings and they may just Google their
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lost loved ones name and see what comes up and you know we may happen to come up
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in that search and you know it it it really meant a lot that he uh that that his father reached out to us and kind of
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gave us a a little bit of a thank you uh for for covering the case it was a case
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that didn't get a whole lot of media attention outside of uh Franklin County outside of Columbus um it's well and and
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let's be honest I mean normally you have we we have the white girl syndrome you know and kind of like with Mara Murray's
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case well maybe one of the reasons why it's so big and in this case Joey is he is a white male but he's homosexual and
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those cases don't get covered as often and the thing too you know he was somewhat a friend of a friend of ours we
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didn't know Joey uh we didn't have the privilege of knowing him um but uh you know somebody that is close to us worked
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with Joey and had nothing but really great things to say say about him you know I believe we even talked about it
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in the episode you know when you hear that somebody has disappeared or something terrible has happened to
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somebody you kind of wonder what circles this person may be running in and that certainly wasn't the case with Joey
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labut he was he was absolutely a victim uh somebody somebody took advantage of a
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situation and and ended his life and you know we are here in Columbus this is a story that we're not going to let go
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away and and hopefully the local media stays on top of it as well well and then back to it you know the
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idea that you know we spend a lot of time and energy and effort and and yeah there's part of the show that is a show
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we kind of have these roles that we play uh you know or kind of not roles that we
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play but kind of things that just kind of happen naturally you know I'm the guy that interrupts with some Sometimes some
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dumbass comments but it's to lighten the mood to you know so when when we're dealing with this heavy stuff or
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whatever but you put all this time and effort in and sometimes 12-hour days sometimes 15-hour days and to actually
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feel like you're doing something that maybe makes a difference You Know It Means A Lot number nine on the Nick list
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we have photograph uh episode 37 this is about the very strange Polaroid photograph that was found in a parking
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lot in Port St Joe Florida back in June of 1989 a very strange case uh this woman
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woman finds a photograph of what appears to be a teenage girl and a younger boy bound and tied up and they look very
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afraid the crazy thing is we don't there's nothing more to this photo than just what you see in the image and it's
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a it's a haunting image as well as one that you when you do see it you will stare at it and you will try to pick up
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on little Clues trying to identify these people are they actual victims are they
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being held hos hostage and for what purpose is it a hoax mhm right and I think there's a lot of questions to this
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one one is there a victim and and and if there is a victim then who is the victim
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and one thing that was pretty neat after we covered it you know we posted the picture and a lot of the listeners
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checked out the picture some people seeing it for the very first time and some people contacted us with little you
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know little things that they noticed in the picture that we had not had not noticed in and reported on the show yeah
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and a lot of dissecting of the t-shirt that the girl wore yeah trying to pick up pick up any type of identifier
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regarding these these kids and where they may be located where they may be from all right my number nine would be
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matrice Richardson that would be episode 75 and 76 so when we started doing the two-parters I think this is a case that
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could definitely be solved and I think um there's a lot of law enforcement involvement and a lot of law enforcement
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covering up in this case and I think with her you know strong family uh pushing to the Forefront and maybe more
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people covering this case I I think this one is something that could actually be
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solved and maybe in the next year or so maybe we'll get an update on this case yeah I I applaud her mother and father
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for keeping this case active I think you and I might have disagreed a little bit
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on this case it's extremely fascinating I have no clue how she ended up where she did yeah simply this girl goes out
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to dinner by herself they arrest her cuz she's not going to pay a bill when they
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take her into the station they eventually let her go and uh then she kind of goes wandering and she's never
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heard from again the problem with this is that the mother came out and said hey don't let her go right you know they
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were in contact with her family members so it just seems like you know law enforcement dropped the ball they they
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said they wouldn't let her go too yeah it does seem like this this one is very frustrating and I think it would
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be covered a lot more more often I mean let's just say it's a it's a black victim I think because she's a black
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victim the case isn't as covered as often as it should be and the thing Captain you and I we always have law
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enforcements back we we are you know big on backing the people that keep us safe
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the thing here is though where I think we disagreed you you kind of lean towards the side of some maybe police
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involvement in her death or disappearance where I I certainly my thoughts where that that they're just
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not doing the work that they should do uh I don't know that there's that they're involved in the death they could
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be there's evidence to point to that but they certainly aren't I I don't see the
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effort being made to solve this case which angers me number eight on my list I have Tony Muny uh his his full length
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name is John Anthony Muny uh he was last seen October 15th 1983 his body was found shortly after
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that dismembered out on a country road now this is a case that most people wouldn't be very familiar with it's uh
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not something you can find on the internet very well um it was our bonus episode that we covered uh but this case
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is one that is always in the back of my mind um this is I've been to the location where the body was found I've
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studied maps of of the way that the roads were at the time um has these files on it that are super thick this
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this is a case that to me uh should have been solved there there were certainly were some good
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suspects uh the crazy thing here is you know we have this disappearance and then
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the the murder of this boy and it turns out that we learned that there's some pretty bad dudes in the area at the time
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and we covered them in this case you know one one of them I won't go into all of it because we have just a limited
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amount of time here today but one in particular we have Timothy Hall um who was sentenced to 15 years to life in
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prison for the murder of an elderly man and and uh this guy is a guy that I kind
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of keep tabs on because every couple years he comes up for parole um now I'm very happy to report that at the last
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parole hearing uh that the people this is what they this is what they said about Timothy Hall when they denied him
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parole they said that he is the worst of the worst and he poses a deadly combination and he possesses a deadly
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combination of Pure Evil and Insanity now this guy will be up for parole again August of
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2018 um I'm hoping that he is somebody that they keep behind bars for a very long time because he's an extremely
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dangerous person certainly capable of having killed Tony Muny uh remember he was the one he became Under Suspicion
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because he was the one that was seen in his cell talking to a person that wasn't
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there and and calling him John and it's it's thought that he was speaking to the
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ghost of of Tony Muny his murder victim well and this is one we spent a lot of extra time on I mean one all the
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research that you did for it and then you know this was a probably an hour and 40 minute episode this before we're
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doing any two-parter type things and um yeah and then there was multiple trailers in it it's it's pretty
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interesting it's definitely something I'm proud that we produced it's one of my favorite episodes number eight for me
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would be Johnny gosh so uh I think I feel like a social justice warrior with I'm not I'm not and I not a big fan of
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social justice Warriors you know just saying uh the politically correct thing or or whatever but the thing that I was
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thinking about the Johnny gosh cases one I was a paper boy so I have a connection
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there you know a kid goes out on his paper route goes missing there's possibly you know uh a sex trafficking
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ring that's involved and but what what I love about this case was his mother you
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know that there's there's a there's a documentary on this and his mother is really interesting to me and I think
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she's a different breed and I think a lot of people didn't cover this case or not even cover the case but I think a
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lot of people start saying I yeah she's a different breed and she's a very strong female right and
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therefore people call her crazy and I think and I think that's that's the thing that drives me nuts about that's
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what I I sound like a social justice war is what it sound like but I think if it
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was a father doing it it wouldn't happened that way right it wouldn't have been oh well this guy's crazy I think
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she was uncovering stuff that people just don't want to hear about and when they don't want to hear about something
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like that they start using the stupid word conspiracy MH oh well this is just a conspiracy she's just a wacka Doo
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she's not a wacka do she's a strong female that you know her son went missing and she's going to fight until
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her death to try to figure out what happened yeah you're you're exactly right yeah some of the things she's done
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and said are a little out there to me but at the same time you got to keep in mind this is a person that has dealt
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with a traumatic thing in her life that none of us can comprehend the thing that
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I love though is that she like you said she's going to she's going to fight to the end to get this thing solved to to
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try to figure out what happened to Young Johnny gosh right and like I said at the
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end of the day if it was the father Champion for you know the to find out what happened to his son people wouldn't
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be calling him crazy number seven on my list I have April Tinsley this was way back in episode seven Captain seems like
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uh quite some time ago uh this i' say it seems like yesterday but no it it feels
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like it feels like we've been doing this show for 10 years yeah th this was the young girl that was abducted near her
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home in Fort Wayne Indiana um and her body was found on April 1st 198 uh you know just a strange coincidence
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there her name is April she's found on the first day of April has always been very eerie to me but this is this too is
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one of those cases that outside of the lines of Indiana not a whole lot of people know about this case and it's
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it's a terrifyingly fascinating case because we have we have a killer uh of the worst kind who has gone on to taunt
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the the neighborhood and taunt the the public in the um and further terrify the public by leaving notes and threatening
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letters and claiming responsibility for the death of April Tinsley uh this is a case that's always fascinated me the
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thing here too is we got DNA on this guy right um so it's a very solvable case it's just a matter of finding the right
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match well I think anytime that you know a killer taunts you know the the public
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it's like what better case to have solved to say hey we got you yeah you know uh this one I also think we missed
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a couple things in this episode well we were unaware of uh there was some detail
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about her shoe um uh that that he had he had taken some of the shoes and left them elsewhere and to further back up
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that he was the killer that left those notes he he kind of reminded them about the shoes something that only the killer
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would know this guy though man you know he leaves her body way back in 1988 and then he goes on to leave a note on a
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barn in 1990 and then in 2004 he's leaving notes and mailboxes of of homes of little girls and leaving a note on
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the bicycle of a little girl in the area this is a this is a very scary person mhm so April Tinsley that is your number
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number seven and that was way back in episode seven yeah coincidence number seven for me will be Kurt Cobain uh this
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was an episode that I was really excited about doing um if you go back and listen
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to the trailer I actually uh adapted uh Smells Like Teen Spirit and kind of Twisted that around so if anybody's
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interested in that you can kind of hear the melody kind of faint in there or the
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idea of that tune faint in there uh inspired by watching soaked and bleach I thought that was a really fun
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documentary um and I was never a huge Nirvana fan um but you know he became such an icon I
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thought well this will be an interesting case fascinating enough though it's a case that I feel like we dropped the
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ball on you know what I mean like when when I look back you know I wouldn't tell some if somebody said oh well this
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Kurt Cain case should I check that out nah CU I think I think when we went into it I think one I think your mind was
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made up on it on what happened yeah or or what the evidence kind of points to and I just feel feel like there was this
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whole conspiracy side of things it's not a conspiracy I mean here here at the end
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of the day this this lady this you know Courtney Love she had a lot to you know gain or to lose if they were to get
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divorced right so anyways I think there's a lot more to the story and it's not that it was like bad that I thought
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it was like just a garbage episode or anything it was just it was just the one ones at the end of the day when we put
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out it was like ah this would be good and then a couple weeks later it was like yeah we could have done a little
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bit better on that and I didn't mean to disappoint you Captain I I you know I do
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think it was a suicide at the end of the day however you know there's millions of
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people out there that are saying this was a murder and and and I'm not going to lie there were plenty of questionable
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things out there and there is some evidence pointing the other direction than what I was thinking yeah and I just
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I think that's the thing is I think when you have evidence leaning either way we
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should I just think we could have done a better job of presenting the other side
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of things number six I have the Austin yogurt shop murders uh four teenage girls killed all shot um two of them
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were 17 one was 15 one 13 uh two of them were shop workers uh this case is is extremely intriguing to me um I I think
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that there's there's a lot here this is a very famous case in Texas we covered it in episodes 81 and 82 um discussing
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some of the serial killers that were in the area at the time that have fallen to
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become suspects in this case um I think you know we also talked about the the uh
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four teenage boys that were brought up on charges and the strange confessions that that were that took place um yeah
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very similar to like uh West Memphis type thing yeah these were very aggressive interrogators uh come up with
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confessions two of the guys end up getting convicted and then those convictions later get overturned uh this
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is an extremely intriguing case one that I do think can be solved the the problem
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is the evidence because the fire was set um but we still have that question of there were a couple people that went
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into that shop that night that have not been accounted for I think that's where you're going to find your answers number
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six for me will be Emma Philip off this is a girl that went missing in Canada there's episodes 52 and
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53 uh as we're making the this list I I find that um missing person cases seem to be your thing yeah I think it's just
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the you know if somebody you know it's sad if somebody gets murdered right and they get taken off this Earth but at
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least we know that and we at least we know that their life ended there's a start and there was an end and
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I think the fact that somebody just disappears off the face of this Earth uh I think that brings up so much questions
00:31:08
and then you know when I after my divorce um I I dated this very well not I can't even say it was dates but it's a
00:31:17
very similar situation where I start hanging out with somebody that's very artsy very unique mhm and you become
00:31:26
kind of infatuated and Emma had a you know people call him a stalker M but a guy that was pretty infatuated with her
00:31:35
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00:33:38
cases tap on your brain a little more than the others because there's so many questions about them or is it because
00:33:45
there's still that that small hope of of something good happening at the end that
00:33:51
there there could be a positive outcome that the person could be found and is happy somewhere mhm I think part of that
00:33:58
but I think it's just the wh if game I think my my brain likes to play that game all right number five I have
00:34:05
Brandon Lawson uh episodes 8586 um this is the why is this one going to be on my list well it's the 911
00:34:14
call it absolutely is the 911 call um this this young man leaves his home uh just before midnight back in 2013 he
00:34:24
calls 911 in a very very strange call it's it's hard to understand what he's saying he sounds he sounds scared um I'm
00:34:33
not going to lie to you Captain the hearing the 911 call frightens me um and also trying to decipher what he's saying
00:34:43
is really the big mystery because I think every one of us when when it first hits our ears when we first hear it that
00:34:50
we all think you know what I'm going to be able to pick up on something that somebody else didn't hear and I'm going
00:34:54
to know what happened to Brandon you know now Brandon was kind of this he he was kind of he comes I don't know him
00:35:01
but he looks to me like kind of a tough guy you know kind of somebody that could
00:35:05
handle himself that wouldn't be easily frightened um and he saw something out there in the dark that night that sounds
00:35:13
to me like it terrified him and to this day we don't know where Brandon is we can't find his cell phone there's been
00:35:20
no activity on his bank accounts it's it's one of those cases that's haunting well and the fact of the matter is that
00:35:27
we have evidence that he called after he left the scene mhm and that's another Wrinkle in the mystery number five for
00:35:36
me is Adam Walsh which technically this is noted as a solved case just like with
00:35:41
the Kirk oain that is marked down as a suicide in your defense uh just like the Kurt Cobain case I think there's
00:35:49
millions of people out there that would argue that it's not solved so that that's that's getting your back right
00:35:55
there right so Adam Walsh we we know John Walsh from America's Most Wanted it was his son he was at you know going to
00:36:02
play it was just that case to me was very nostalgic thinking about like The Ataris and stuff and being about the
00:36:09
same age you know roughly around that time period and just growing up in the 80s so a little Nostalgia there but for
00:36:17
me um the interesting thing was you know when we started this thing in the garage
00:36:23
you know we always talked about True Crime but it was always well you're the True Crime guy you know this is I I
00:36:31
enjoy talking and I can write music and I can I can record it and I can produce the show but you know you got to take
00:36:39
the lead as far as the the research and stuff goes but I would always dive into the cases I always help direct the shows
00:36:46
but this one I I remember telling you hey this this Jeffrey Dothan has some weight to it and I remember at first you
00:36:54
going no probably won't talk about it much and I remember thinking well I think there's some more
00:37:04
here so I dove into it and and this is what really kind of sunk the teeth in for me on this case it's claimed to be
00:37:12
solved it's claim that he was murdered by Otis tool MH there also we got a lot of hate mail because people go it's Otis
00:37:20
you stupid it depends on who you talk to it's ois if the if if the family m numers of the Dead kid says it's oddest
00:37:30
tool yeah call him oddest tool dummy um that's how it works so but I think for the for me it was the it was the
00:37:39
eyewitnesses at the mall 10 years later seeing Jeffrey dmer being arrested in in Milwaukee
00:37:50
Milwaukee and they're they're 100% sure that they saw him at the at the mall mall that day the day that he went
00:37:56
missing and I think there is really something to that and then also just a fascination with somebody like Jeffrey
00:38:02
dmer kind of ties that in and I think and then there's there's this this whole other speculation that Adam Walsh is not
00:38:12
dead yeah that that that has come about quite a bit Yeah so it's definitely a case for me early on you know that has
00:38:20
fascinated me well and I'll tell you what I remember watching the made for TV movie uh way back when you know I was
00:38:27
very very little when that came out uh but I remember watching it and being so young you know maybe my parents
00:38:33
shouldn't have been letting me watch something like that but horrible parents I remember being so young and it being
00:38:40
so crazy that I didn't believe it was real I just thought it was a movie you know what I mean I saw it on TV and then
00:38:46
the the terrifying thing for me is Fast Forward 10 12 years later and I'm reading about True Crime all the time
00:38:52
and I stumble upon this case and I realize that movie that scared scared me enough when I was a little kid that I
00:38:58
remembered parts of it uh still as a teenager right realizing that it's oh my God that's that's a real case that
00:39:05
really happened those were true events number four for me we already talked about Mara Murray oh yeah uh we started
00:39:12
doing the show and uh I to be honest with you I mean we've talked about this before I haven't listened to many True
00:39:19
Crime podcast uhhuh I was just like what you know here's the thing we both were podcast lovers
00:39:27
yeah right and you oh yeah yeah what's your favorite right now um well you're top three I'm going to be laughed at you
00:39:36
really want me to get laughed at yeah it's better you than me well we're two weeks away well well we're one week away
00:39:43
now from the NFL draft so Cleveland Browns daily is my I'm still the idiot that's drinking the Kool-Aid that thinks
00:39:51
that someday something's going to happen with this team they're not going to be a
00:39:54
laughing stock so around this time every year I start listening to that I love true murder everybody knows that I love
00:40:00
True Crime garage um I listen to my own show every day um you you know those guys in the garage
00:40:08
they're great no actually number three for me would be maybe a little known podcast called Ripper cast um I've I've
00:40:16
been intrigued by Jack the Ripper for many many years and it's a it's a pretty random show cuz they don't have like a
00:40:22
regular schedule they just pop up an episode every now and then uh but they been covering Jack the Ripper for years
00:40:29
years so those are my three my top three right now uh well I listened to the missing Richard Simmons I thought that
00:40:37
was pretty interesting yeah uh I feel bad for that guy uh I thought uh swn was pretty good I would have produced it
00:40:44
better I thought it was entertaining it was very entertaining I just think they could have produced a little bit better
00:40:49
uh but I'm always listening to Joe Rogan or or Adam Corolla but my my new my new
00:40:54
favorite one that just crack cracks the [ __ ] out of me I mean and I need to stop
00:40:59
listening to it cuz I'm I'll probably do his Cadence but Congratulations by crystalia mhm that [ __ ] is ESS a good
00:41:08
well you know what Captain I knew that Mara Murray would be higher on your list for you than it was for me not because I
00:41:13
don't I don't find it you know to be an interesting case I mean obviously it's on my top 10 here but for you man you
00:41:20
were wrapped up in that thing for it felt like two months like every time I showed up to the garage he was like Mar
00:41:26
Murray and I mean I was calling people listen what I just found out I just talked to this person they said this I
00:41:32
just found this bit of information and and every time we're getting in the garage I'm going yeah but we're working
00:41:37
on this other case here Captain we we got to move on yeah and when and I met a lot of people in the True Crime
00:41:43
Community through that and like I said there are some nut nut jobs that are connected to that case but you know we
00:41:50
we met you know when we first started doing the show we met our our good friend aelia and she was the one that
00:41:56
saying hey you guys you guys got to do social media and I was like what do you mean social media we're we're not doing
00:42:01
social now I take a selfie every two seconds number four for me Captain uh Brian schaer uh you know this case
00:42:11
was what this case had to be just going to jump to my three your you're going to
00:42:17
jump to your three yeah my number three is schaer oh okay well then let's just talk about it together we uh the
00:42:23
captain's weird about these list he he will he will view mine but he never lets me see his list in advance I'm changing
00:42:31
I go he's making it up as he goes no but Brian Schaefer um and when I say it had
00:42:36
to be covered we were just we live in Columbus he went he disappeared from from the Ugly Tuna saluna in Columbus uh
00:42:45
it's it's become it's hard to know how famous this case is because we're in the heart of it all um but the thing here
00:42:52
was we we covered this just before the 10year anniversary of his disappearance well it was one of the cases that really
00:42:59
people started talking about our podcast because we covered this case and the thing is you couldn't go you know it was
00:43:05
every few months you'd be somewhere and you would hear somebody go hey remember that guy that disappeared from the bar
00:43:11
downtown uh whatever happened to that guy and it was it became one of these cases here where it's almost urban
00:43:18
legend you know what I mean it's it's the guy that disappeared from the bar downtown and at some point unfortunately
00:43:24
people forget the guy's name uh and forget what happened you know you could you could be in a bar talking to
00:43:30
somebody and they'd say yeah they found Brian Schaefer he was so and so uh he was at this place or that place and it
00:43:37
was a case that locally has not gone away it's um like I said it's almost become some bit of a of an urban legend
00:43:46
well and that's a popular area of campus and the thing for me was you know that whole area of Campus changed it used to
00:43:53
be grungy and gritty and now it's kind of a little more Posh but it started becoming Posh when they put the Ugly
00:43:59
Tuna in but uh in the last couple years I've played down there a lot so I go through the same garage that he drove to
00:44:07
I park in roughly the same spot I walk through the same doors and it's something that I can't get off my mind
00:44:14
and that's one thing that I don't think a lot of people get when you've walked the ground when you've been to the
00:44:20
location where somebody was had disappeared or where a body was found the case takes on a whole different
00:44:26
angle for you doesn't it I mean it it's once when you can see the place when you
00:44:31
can see the layout of things you kind of understand or have a better understanding of what may have happened
00:44:37
um you know and what a lot of people don't know we haven't we didn't really talk about this much but uh we had a
00:44:44
company from Australia come over uh no roles for Sam is the name of the company company production company that they
00:44:52
listened to our show they believed in us as individuals and talents and they came
00:44:57
all the way from Australia and they we did some recording as if we were shooting a documentary about the Brian
00:45:04
Schaefer case uh then they took this material and they've actually shopped us to different networks and stuff like
00:45:11
that so we met a whole other team that's why when you hear cheers mates M that's
00:45:17
not us that's because we we we became friends with a bunch of Aussies and uh and and we've done a lot of work with
00:45:25
them and and had these es and flows of the whole are you going to have a TV show are you not going to have a TV show
00:45:31
we don't really care if we have a TV show yeah we got podcast faces bro uh Brian Schaefer case was way back in
00:45:39
episodes 16 and 17 if you if you haven't heard those uh you know the other crazy
00:45:44
thing here is you know cuz some people speculate that he that he took off on his own that he wanted to start a new
00:45:50
life elsewhere and he chose to disappear on April 1st April Fool's Day and what where you originally thought yeah you I
00:45:58
mean like when we first started looking at it you kept on saying to me no I I I think he wanted to leave yeah and I I
00:46:05
kept on saying that doesn't make any sense but you know like I said I played up there so much and I pulled this
00:46:12
up I don't I don't know if this story is interesting to anybody but i' play at that World of Beer and I'd be in the
00:46:18
corner which is right across the street or right across the walkway just across the walkway and this really old security
00:46:26
guard would come in and he' order food from him and uh but he kind of always look at me like yeah you're doing it BL
00:46:34
me so I pulled him aside one gig and I just I was looking around and I was taking pictures and I think I was
00:46:39
posting him on Instagram and stuff like that I just asked him I said hey uh you know the guy that went missing he said
00:46:46
oh yeah yeah he said uh but that's all Hollywood stuff and I said really I said what you what do you mean and he said
00:46:55
well he said well they they make it seem like he was Harry Houdini you know right
00:47:00
just disappeared in just disappeared and because the craziest thing about that that case is that we got video footage
00:47:06
of him going in the bar yes and we have video footage of him of him walking around talking to people stumbling
00:47:12
around pretty drunk having a good time right the but the main exit was to go down escalator and we should have seen
00:47:19
him right but if you study the film there's no Brian Schaefer and he was just saying that yeah when they reported
00:47:24
on it and when people talk about it they always say well there was cameras everywhere yeah and he just said look
00:47:31
those cameras didn't work yeah and and there and there was a bunch of blank spots and because the building was new
00:47:37
and he was just saying that that if if that guy wasn't to leave he could have left and nobody
00:47:43
would have seen him and there's probably a bunch of people that left that bar that night that are not on film and the
00:47:49
crazy thing too you know I I wasn't down there in 2006 when he disappeared but I
00:47:54
went down there many years later just happened to be there meeting people um and remembered oh yeah this is where
00:48:00
Brian Schaefer went he had Miss missing from and looking around down there the thing that shocked me because you're
00:48:06
right the the the TV shows made such a big deal of not seeing him exit the bar the story was always well he walked into
00:48:12
a bar and Ne never was to be seen again right uh but the first thing I noticed down there now I don't know the workings
00:48:19
of the building but there's a lot more doors on that building than I expected to see uh after having heard the report
00:48:26
well we know my number three uh number three for me is Amy mahalic um the 10-year-old girl from Bay Village Ohio
00:48:33
who disappeared in October of 1989 uh she was it's believed that she was lured to a shopping plaza by a
00:48:42
person who was pretending to be a friend of the family that she was receiving some strange phone calls leading up to
00:48:47
her disappearance and unfortunately her uh murdered body was found in February of 1990 in Ashlin County which is quite
00:48:57
a bit of a drive from Bay Village where she disappeared for me Captain this is the
00:49:03
reason why this will always be a case that's with me is she was my age um and this was really the first time I
00:49:12
remember watching some of the news footage when they were looking for her uh on TV and it was kind of the the
00:49:21
break of the Age of Innocence for me as as a as a boy um you know where where somebody you know a girl my age in my
00:49:31
home state nobody can find her and then when you find out months later that she's
00:49:37
been killed it was really kind of it was kind of an Awakening for me that that these things do happen they're not just
00:49:44
in movies and um you know I've been to I've been to where she pretty naive as a kid yeah but I mean keep I watched this
00:49:53
movie and then I realized it was real yeah then I saw this thing on the news and then I realized it was real well let
00:50:00
me put it into better perspective I was trying not to date myself so much with the Adam Walsh thing but I was probably
00:50:05
five when I saw that movie uh this is not real and as far as Amy mahalic goes her and I were the same age
00:50:13
I was 10 at the time when she went missing I don't think that that's I think it's no secret that we're bunch of
00:50:18
old dudes we're extremely old I got my AARP card on me right now no uh but but to me this case will always be with me
00:50:28
it will always be in my mind um I've seen the picture of the person that they think was last seen with her the drawing
00:50:35
the composite drawing uh I'm one of those people that I think that I've you know at the corner of my eye sometimes I
00:50:41
think that I saw the guy uh the crazy thing to me Captain and this is going to sound absolutely crazy to everybody out
00:50:49
there but I've driven from the the plaza where she was last seen to the A area where she was found um it's supposed to
00:50:58
be like a 50-minute drive and I got to tell you it felt like eternity driving that route uh the thing here is I think
00:51:07
you know we've seen some new evidence come out with this potential new evidence I think this could be solved um
00:51:14
I I think that think that I'm rambling right now I'm a rambling guy rambling rambling
00:51:26
I've always thought and will always think that somebody from the Ashlin area Ashlin County where the body was found I
00:51:34
think the person that was responsible for this terrible murder lived in that area at the time the drive to me just
00:51:42
felt so long to have to have a victim in the car with you that you would have to
00:51:49
be heading to a point for a reason other than just to dump the body if that makes
00:51:54
sense yeah here's here's some little backstory here's a little uh behind the scenes to crme Gat uhhuh uh probably a
00:52:03
year before we actually started doing the podcast I remember you would you were telling me I'm going to drive to
00:52:09
listen to this author speak yeah we've known each other forever but it's just it's funny because you have and I admire
00:52:17
this about you but you have all these Hobbies where I've never had Hobbies like well you play a lot of music right
00:52:24
but it's a job you I mean like I I normally just turn my hobby into a job and then it's like okay well I play
00:52:31
music and but you always have all these interesting hobbies you know you always do a a bracket for the NCAA you do
00:52:37
fantasy football you have all this stuff and you're like well I'm going you always were into True Crime and you're
00:52:43
like well I'm going to go listen to this author talk yeah cut to a year later we're having that author come in and to
00:52:50
a studio for you to do do an interview with them yeah and if I could give a personal recommendation out there to our
00:52:56
true crime fans listening if you ever have the opportunity and it's actually it happens all the time you're just
00:53:02
unaware of it cuz you don't search for these things but these True Crime authors they travel around and they give
00:53:08
talks from time to time and you get an opportunity to meet them or to hear their story uh it's it's a it's one
00:53:14
thing that I've done for years I do it a few times every year when one comes around or or if I have to go up to
00:53:20
Cleveland or Cincinnati to hear somebody but it's incredibly fascinating I recommend if you have that opportunity
00:53:26
to check something like that out well and and you you know I heard the name James rener because of the mara Murray
00:53:32
case now I don't agree with a lot of stuff that he says but I do think he's a great author he's a great Storyteller
00:53:40
and when people want to talk whether he's a journalist or whatever I don't I don't care look at the end of the day
00:53:46
it's hard to write a book at the end of the day it's hard to spend a bunch of time and energy looking into a cases yes
00:53:54
I understand that people put blinders on sometimes but so we have him come to this recording studio and we record a
00:54:03
couple different interviews with this guy yeah it was kind of cool to go okay well that's kind of cool Nick gets to
00:54:08
that'd be like me meeting some famous jazz-based player I'd be like geeking out um so I got to see James rener and
00:54:16
Nick just two True Crime dorks just going at it Dorking it up I mean it was like God I had to like put on some boots
00:54:24
to weigh through the dorky [ __ ] it was just but that Amy mahalic interview I I
00:54:30
left the room yeah I was like and all the captain haters at the time probably were like yes this is such a better
00:54:37
episode then I sat in the other room with a a producer friend of mine and we turned the volume off and we didn't
00:54:43
listen to the episode so when I get the files back and I actually created the episode um you know I I normally post
00:54:50
the show and then I listen back so I was listening back and we started uh you guys were doing the interview with the
00:54:57
Amy mahalic case and uh it was just crazy cuz like about 5 minutes in I was like this [ __ ] is fascinating well I
00:55:07
wouldn't claim to be an expert on on hardly anything at all but but definitely not but one thing I would say
00:55:13
um outside of the Bay Village Law Enforcement and maybe some FBI agents I I would argue that few people in the
00:55:21
state of Ohio have spent more time researching the Amy case than James and myself uh separately which what what was
00:55:28
so great for me was getting the opportunity to kind of discuss uh his thoughts and my thoughts at the same
00:55:33
time the thing too is you know I I really enjoy James rener because of his work that he did with the Amy mahalic
00:55:41
case he was the first person that started putting names and started coming up with suspect names nobody else had
00:55:48
done that up until that that son of a [ __ ] made in on this episode again it's it's hard to listen to
00:55:55
yourself and so anybody that you know it's just it's frankly just ridiculously silly when people go you
00:56:03
got a sexy voice uh no no no no because when you hear back yourself it's like nails on a chalkboard mhm so maybe
00:56:13
that's why it's one of my favorite episodes cuz I'm actually not on the episode that's episode 22 by the way I
00:56:20
me that is a a fascinating Story number two for me is the long serial killer case um we've probably I I know we've
00:56:29
done we recently did the four parter with the boys on the tracks um so you know we did four parts on the Long
00:56:36
Island serial killer well side note with the boys on the track the reason why that's not on my list it's because I
00:56:43
believe that the evidence is there that the case is solved there's just no justice there right I agree 100% with
00:56:52
you uh but as far as Long Island serial Killer goes I mean this this is a case that of course wrapped up the nation's
00:57:00
attention uh but it's crazy that somebody has been killing this amount of people or maybe even two two killers
00:57:06
have been killing this amount of people for this length of time and not been caught the thing that I thought that was
00:57:12
interesting as far as true crime garage goes is that we we never intentionally sat sat down and intended to do this
00:57:20
many episodes on the Long Island serial killer it just kind of came about as new
00:57:24
information came out we covered this in episodes 4 and 5 then again uh in episode 20 and episode 74 so this is a
00:57:33
case that's been with the garage since season 1 well and I think one of the things that's really interesting about
00:57:39
this is back to your idea of True Crime authors I mean look if you're into if you're into uh True Crime podcast do
00:57:46
yourself a favor and listen to a good True Crime book like an audio book I mean you want to talk about that you
00:57:52
know people are all into you know these like you know sown or whatever or missing Richard Simmons and those are
00:57:59
great Productions or whatever but to listen you know I'm listening to the devil's not now oh my goodness oh man
00:58:05
that's one of the best true crime books ever man and here's the thing it's not the author's voice because it's not her
00:58:12
reading it it's somebody else reading it h wor it's a worse voice than you but the author is is Mara Leverett one of
00:58:20
the best one of the best True Crime authors out there it Devil's not fantastic and then we kind of got onto
00:58:26
you well you got really sucked into the Long Island serial K case based off of Lost Girls yeah and that's a book that
00:58:33
if you have by Robert cker he's a fantastic author as well hands down one of the best maybe one of the best books
00:58:39
oh yeah one of the best true crime books and and and I tell you what the Long Island serial killer case I was one of
00:58:45
the dorks that was on that the Long Island serial killer.com website for years listening to all these trolls bash
00:58:52
each other and it it was crazy because because you you'd have this community of people that sounded like they wanted to
00:58:58
get together and work to try to solve the case it was basically like web slle except for it was very specific it was
00:59:05
only going to cover Long Island serial killer what ended up happening after you f you know you get through this year and
00:59:12
a half and it was the same similar to Mara Murray where people had strong opinions about their theories and they
00:59:17
were going to kind of force them upon you at some point it got so bad on that website that some of the people were
00:59:24
accused other people on the website of being the Long Island serial killer right that's that's always fun to wake
00:59:31
up and read huh yeah hey hey by the way you're the killer what plus remember the
00:59:36
the rap that we played on our on our episode The because I killed him you know I don't remember the words it sound
00:59:43
like a country song yeah but don't do that again but there was some creepy person came up with this hold Long
00:59:50
Island serial killer rap that sounded like they were the Killer and they posted it on on on the website and it
00:59:56
was just randomly on there one day for a couple weeks and then they took it down
01:00:00
yeah well it was it was a catchy tune though it was it was a catchy tune catchy little number but it was about
01:00:07
these murders yeah that's and and you know this The Prostitute that came out and said hey I think
01:00:15
there's I look I think there's your original thought was there was really something to Shannon Gilbert going to
01:00:21
this like almost like sex party right and I think there or Brewer's house right and I think that's where your
01:00:29
answers are going to are going to lie if they ever get into that and and all the
01:00:34
stuff with the chief of the the new police officer that got in trouble and all that stuff interesting case and
01:00:40
that's one that if it sucks you in byebye be in there for a while byebye see you later you'll get back to us
01:00:48
episode 200 yeah check in when you resurface my number two is Brandon in Lawson oh fantastic um it's very simple
01:00:58
it's exactly what you said the N1 you are exactly right well thank you when you said I I listened to the tape and
01:01:05
and being a audio engineer for years I thought I can manipulate this and I can know what he
01:01:12
says and I couldn't and it was really frustrating I don't I don't hear fear as much as maybe other people do um I've
01:01:25
read almost every post on our blog about what people think he says yeah that was
01:01:31
really cool we had like what 70 or 80 people right in what they think he's saying yeah it was interesting though
01:01:37
because when we did the when we decided to do it you know that's one of the things anytime there's a case it's can
01:01:44
we put a spin on it if the case hasn't been covered before we just cover the case right but it's but with all these
01:01:52
other cases it's just what can can we bring to the table can we bring a different Viewpoint you know can we add
01:02:00
anything to the conversation if we can't then we're just not going to cover it you know my my thing was I think I could
01:02:08
dissect this and then we should dissect it live so I had all these clips that I dissected and then we were playing it
01:02:15
for you and we're trying to get our reactions on the spot which was really interesting and yeah everybody would say
01:02:22
oh well he's he's saying this it's clear that he's saying this which is good calm down we wanted we
01:02:29
wanted to hear what other ears were hearing our ears aren't always right and and the the the loss in 911 tape is is
01:02:37
just that if you listen to it 10 times you might hear nine different things you know it's you might have a different
01:02:44
outcome nine out of 10 times well what's what's the town he was heading towards abalene right we all like we didn't we
01:02:53
didn't hear at the time and we didn't look up a map because we were just trying to keep going and and just you
01:02:59
know here's our initial reaction let's see see what happens when we hit record M so yeah we didn't look up a map and
01:03:06
then no that's all I'm saying I I've heard that 300 times yes I know he's saying that now I
01:03:12
knew I think we knew after we push uh publish on the podcast we knew that oh that's what he said you know but we're
01:03:21
not going to go back and fix that so that was a fun night in the garage show cuz we did both episodes in one
01:03:26
recording and we we sat in here and listened to that thing probably four or 500 times uh and you know the listeners
01:03:33
are probably thankful that we didn't put all four or 500 of them on the episodes
01:03:37
but we we manipulated it changed it tweaked it did everything we could to try to dissect the thing and come up
01:03:44
with what poor Brandon Lawson was saying on that 911 call you know the editing on
01:03:49
the computer sometimes just physically makes me ill mhm and after that that night it was just like head was spinning
01:03:57
and I just thought uh you know and everybody's going to say well that's just too much beer
01:04:02
Captain shut up um no so yeah that's my number two number one for me will be the
01:04:08
West Memphis 3 case um again this kind of falls into the whole Kurt Cobain thing where maybe it you know some would
01:04:15
argue that it's solved you know we have we have three guys that took an Alfred plea and uh that's going to be the end
01:04:21
of it I me that just angers me more uh you know we we have three child victims here that were brutally killed we have
01:04:30
three guys that I'm not going to lie to you Captain I I'm not convinced either way on Damen Eckles in that situation
01:04:38
were they guilty were they not guilty I think that oh God I think that the the take it back no I'm I'm saying I could
01:04:46
be swayed either way depending on what day it is I I I see things that point towards their guilt I see a lot of
01:04:51
things that point towards their innocence the problem I see is that the problem with the investigation the the
01:04:56
investigation was mishandled from the get-go and I think that's how they ended at at that conclusion the problem here
01:05:03
is when you give when you let three guys out of prison but you say as a state oh
01:05:08
we're letting them out but they're guilty what kind of justice is that for anybody it's not it's it's an unsolved
01:05:14
case uh unfortunately I don't think they're ever going to work on it anymore uh because the state of the case but I
01:05:21
mean the it's like we said the devil's not is one of one of the best true crime books out there and this is one of those
01:05:29
cases for me that about once every year and and I never know well and the Paradise Lost I mean is kind of what is
01:05:37
you know the uh what the Godfather of all true crime documentaries you know yep and and for me though Captain as far
01:05:46
as the West Memphis 3 case goes I never know when or where it's going to happen but about once or twice a year it pops
01:05:54
up in my mind and it won't it won't get out of there I have to I fall back into that case uh you know once a year twice
01:06:02
a year it's it's it's always with me I call it a red light case you know when you're sitting on a
01:06:09
red light M and just pops into your head like this is what happened pull up to a
01:06:14
red light oh my God that son of a [ __ ] killed them yep that son of that those boys killed those boys yep the and and
01:06:24
no look and before I get any hate mail that's what happens just random thought my random thought will be what if Damen
01:06:30
Eckles did it and then my brain goes down that thought and then I got to recollect my
01:06:37
brain starts recollecting all the evidence and then I go what if Terry Hobbs did it what if you know yeah
01:06:45
buyers did it and then I go down this rabbit hole for a little bit then I sto it could be a week later you know pulled
01:06:52
up get myself Subway I'll take a Italian BMT on on wheat please oh my God Terry Hobbs is guilty
01:07:02
is sing it's Terry hop and then and then the other thing about too is I I start going I start just talking like this all
01:07:11
the time I made that Moon water Jesse Miss Kelly Jesse Miss Kelly no you're exactly right though it's it it's you
01:07:19
hit the nail on the head it's a red light case because it randomly pops in your head and then you're like you know
01:07:25
what damn I just wasted 8 hours of free time looking into this case again and still have no idea what happened at the
01:07:32
end of the day yeah and and those I think we did a really good job uh you know we bicker back and forth on how how
01:07:40
the that's another one I still we did a good job we did a and we you're wrong we
01:07:44
did a damn good job yeah but it the the way the case was supposed to go down was
01:07:51
supposed to be uh the timeline then the confessions and the evidence and then the whole third part was
01:07:59
supposed to be discussing the boys just not discussing the three victims but discussing the West Memphis 3 each
01:08:08
individually and we kind of did that and whether they were guilty or not right and so but it's it's a look if you don't
01:08:14
know much about that case uh you know it's it's one that will suck you and I think a lot of it too is because we were
01:08:22
those teenage boys you know we were the we were somewhat well well let me put this
01:08:30
out there I mean yes yeah somewhat and this just kind of hit me um maybe the reason why I'm so fascinated about that
01:08:39
case is or by that case is is that we're actually both sides of the fence you know what I mean that we
01:08:49
are the three victims mhm you know young boys 8-year-old boys and what did you do
01:08:56
with your 8-year-old friends you rode your bikes around yeah and where did we hang out you know we ride bikes around
01:09:03
town and you did too and in the neighborhood in the neighborhood and right in the neighborhood was a creek
01:09:09
yeah Creek cek however you want to say it that's where we'd play and that's where we could have died
01:09:17
mhm and we were just 8 years old we're just 10 years old 12 years old just doing that and how many times we come
01:09:24
across teenagers that maybe wanted to bully some kids and how many times do we get
01:09:31
beat up by those kids but that could have turned into you know death MH and then on the other side of things um as
01:09:40
you get older and you dive into some some new interests music or whatever it is Arts um you might not line up with
01:09:51
Society or the way I think most teenagers feel like they don't line up with Society whether whether they're in
01:09:58
the mainstream or off in some other click you know um right which I understand but I think also but we we
01:10:04
did wear the black t-shirts you know we're in a rock band yeah Metallica was was pretty much the [ __ ] I mean come on
01:10:12
right come on but yeah I think maybe that's what it is like both sides of the fence and then you know Jason Baldwin
01:10:20
didn't want to take the plea and I still to this day I mean I can't I'm probably never going to meet
01:10:27
them you know and they're probably never going to hear this but it's like I don't know there's there's a part
01:10:32
of me that wishes they wouldn't up taken it um and there's a part of me that wish
01:10:40
is that you know people look Johnny Depp all these guys did all this stuff in their power to get these boys free but
01:10:48
let's keep fighting that that's one of those cases I just wish was solved you know at the end of the day man I wish
01:10:55
that case was solved all right so let's go through our list real quick mine I'll
01:11:00
do mine first cuz mine's the best number 10 Joey leut number nine matrice Richardson number eight Johnny gosh
01:11:10
number seven Kurt Cobain number six Emma philippoff number five Adam Walsh number
01:11:16
four Mara Murray number three Brian Schaefer number two Brandon Lawson and number one on West Memphis 3 and my list
01:11:26
we got to make sure we put these on the website right so people don't have to write them down as they're listening but
01:11:31
we'll do something yeah for me number 10 Mara muray guess wait hold on I guess I'll do something the for me number 10
01:11:38
The Disappearance of Mara Murray number nine our photograph episode number eight
01:11:43
Tony Muny number seven April Tinsley number six the Austin yogurt shop murders five Brandon Lawson four Brian
01:11:53
Schaefer three Amy mahalic two the Long Island serial killer and number one the West Memphis 3 case you know we've done
01:12:00
a 100 episodes how the hell do you feel about that oh I feel extremely positive I mean when we set out and we first
01:12:08
started doing this we started in my garage and then we moved to your garage um cuz I was tired of carrying my
01:12:15
equipment to your house and when we recorded in my garage um it was for the first few episodes of of season 1 maybe
01:12:23
the first handful of episodes and um uh I wish I would have recorded our fight in your garage but but no it's been
01:12:32
amazing to me it's been a it's been a hell of a ride it's been a thrilling ride um glad it's over we still keep
01:12:38
getting new listeners every day uh we started off with uh one listener yeah and now we're all the way up to uh well
01:12:45
no there was two we both listened that's right that's right but uh some surprising moments to me um would
01:12:53
probably be you know each week we we're we're picking a different case and you know I've always been the True Crime
01:12:59
dork and so maybe I'm able to kind of review these things and look at them uh with kind of a cold heart from time to
01:13:07
time because you it's tough not to let these things get to you um but the probably the surprising thing to me is
01:13:14
that it's always been very easy for me to read about these things learning how tough it can be to talk about some of
01:13:21
them uh and I mean from an emotional standpoint um way back when we covered you know it's a few of these cases have
01:13:28
hit me very hard um maybe even thrown me into a a short bout of depression um because you start to feel like maybe
01:13:36
this whole world's just sick and evil and then you realize no that's that's actually a small percentage of what's
01:13:41
going on um but you know not to recall all the accounts but but when we were researching The Tika Lewis case the the
01:13:49
young uh girl that disappeared in Washington um man that one really really hit me hard uh borderline like tears a
01:13:59
few times during that week uh studying that case so well yeah well West Memphis 3 I mean you know having uh stepsons
01:14:07
that I raised for a while and I just remember you know that case being so fascinating and as far as like the
01:14:15
documentaries have always been on you know not always but the the main focus is on that these boys were wrongly
01:14:23
wrongfully convicted mhm and yes I feel for them if that is the case uh I you know I think deep down I believe that's
01:14:33
the case but 8-year-old kids and you start reading about that stuff and I just remember one day just balling in my
01:14:43
garage just going you know is this is this worth it yeah you know uh but then excite you know but then uh you know we
01:14:53
kind of started doing this for for ourselves you know for people purely purely for fun actually well no but but
01:15:02
for me it was you know I would drive to gigs and I was just by myself driving for 2 hours and if it wasn't for people
01:15:12
like Adam Corolla you know my life my quality of life would have been down mhm and so I'd get in that car at 3:00 4:00
01:15:21
in the morning and be driving home and wow you know I'm I'm now in Cora Studio listening to Bal bran uh Gina
01:15:30
grad uh at at the time Alison Rosen and uh if it wasn't for them you know my quality of life would have been down and
01:15:39
so when we get these messages of saying I listen to you at work I listen to you at my commute I listen to you why I cook
01:15:46
dinner I mean that's to me it's like oh I I actually matter you know what I'm doing actually matters to some somebody
01:15:53
M and we've had times uh twice now that our server has gone down yeah because the listenership has grown so big MH and
01:16:04
at first we had a free plan we had a free plan and then the people said to us hey you're too big you're costing us
01:16:11
thousands of dollars do a subscription so we did a subscription paid for that and a couple
01:16:18
weeks ago it crashed we had to upgrade and everybody come going I can't get your damn episodes I go well so I
01:16:24
contacted them and they go you guys are too big you need a network server yeah okay well we'll get one of those and
01:16:30
those are proud moments or or you know when they write you up at in Rolling Stone magazine or or you know you know I
01:16:38
I wasn't hip to the congratulation podcast but when you're such a fan of somebody's work and uh he he says uh
01:16:46
I've been listening to murder garage I mean a true crime garage to hear somebody that you admire say your show's
01:16:54
name that's pretty uh it makes you feel like you did something with your life and I think we all you know are capable
01:17:02
of doing great things and doing so much more with our lives and we all have been
01:17:07
at the point where you just kind of sit around and just go this is I mean we were both laid off mhm and we both felt
01:17:16
like pieces of [ __ ] falling on tough times I mean we're both were we both got paid a severance you especially as a
01:17:23
musician I mean I think you go through these times you know I just played in a cover band yeah you know I'd play in the
01:17:29
corner most of the time people would even clap you know so to think that you're just never going to have your
01:17:36
chance or you're never going to have your moment to do something great and uh we've put a lot of work and a lot of
01:17:43
time and energy and uh you know but when those people say I listen to you or you
01:17:49
make my week better makes it all worth it yeah so appreciate you guys listening a surprising thing for me on the upside
01:17:57
would be you know you talked about you getting a message or or you know I've I've got a few messages bumped into a
01:18:04
few people and uh been told you know the these are the ones that really uplift me
01:18:09
and make me feel great is that you know I've had people say you know what I was going through a tough time or I had a
01:18:15
lot going on uh that was that was really bad in my life you know bringing me down
01:18:20
and I was able to put on your show for one hour a week and kind of just disappear it took me away from from
01:18:27
whatever was bothering me I was able to laugh a little bit I it took my mind away and I was able to take a mental
01:18:33
vacation for an hour and you've really helped me through a tough time um and and sometimes people that have to be
01:18:39
away on long trips away from their family um you know speaking of which I I got a good friend that's in the Air
01:18:45
Force he's over overseas right now serving his country yeah big shout out to my friend
01:18:51
Ryan uh praying for you buddy want you to come home um all in one piece for us and uh we thank you for your service and
01:18:59
your sacrifice uh we miss you uh but it's it's things like that where people that have to be away from their families
01:19:05
I don't know them that that have said you know you just the little that you do has has passed the time faster for me um
01:19:14
so that that's really incredible but I got a lot of hate early on I still get a lot of
01:19:21
hate and truth truthfully I mean it's at first man oh it it bothered me a lot but
01:19:30
I and I think and this is going to sound kind of cheesy I guess but I think it was funny cuz like you know especially
01:19:38
like when the server went down the one time I think I was up for 30 some hours just working on it and then I'd go to
01:19:44
the website and some jackass would be going shut up Captain shut up well guess what it's my show M I'll say what
01:19:52
whatever I want whenever I want don't be a douche canoe but in the process it I think made
01:20:01
me give a [ __ ] about myself a little bit more and say well nah haters going to
01:20:06
hate anter going to ain't and uh but you know seriously I mean appreciate everybody listening and telling people
01:20:15
and it's uh it's been a fun ride and that's it now we got to gear up for 100 more well I'm done this is my last one I
01:20:24
told you I'd do 100 101 with Nick only Nick's Nick will be back next week I taught him how to record so should be
01:20:34
interesting I want to thank all the listeners for giving us our 100th episode because it's it's it's because
01:20:39
of them that we've had 100 episodes so thank you guys for giving us our 100 episodes thank you Captain for all your
01:20:45
hard work and that you've done thanks for showing up thank you for showing up over you know the the span of almost two
01:20:52
years now and no this guy would come in Works 60 hours a week sometimes 70 hours a week and
01:20:59
when we're doing a West Memphis 3 he was working insane hours but then we recorded almost every
01:21:07
night so uh thank you for doing that and somebody right now is listening and they're going these guys are really
01:21:13
giving themselves pats on the back godamn right I am godamn right I am to welcome to Parts Unknown thanks for
01:21:23
listening all right we will see everybody back here in the garage for episode 101 next week and until then be
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