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[Music] is it today [Music] this week's True Crime Story will focus on two young ladies home
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alone on a Thursday night their plans for the night fell through so it looks like Plan B is a quiet
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evening at home or at least that is what it should have been the two roommates passed the time
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texting with friends but life turns on a dime and just like that they go silent the next morning both of the roommates
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are unaccounted for M.I.A they fail to be where they are supposed to be a concerned friend decides to
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check on them and finds the unthinkable both women are dead the two ladies were killed in their own
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home there are very few Clues and even fewer suspects police wondered did either of them have
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a past with known enemies or Associates with a reason to hurt or kill them did the killer Target the two roommates
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or was this a random homicidal Act could it be that only one of the young ladies was the real Target
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was Melissa just in the wrong place at the wrong time or was Nicole the one who was collateral
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damage this is true crime garage and this is the unsolved murders of Nicole glass and
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Melissa Mason [Music] it was Midday on a Friday December 3rd 2010. a young woman who has never been
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named publicly was trying to reach her friend Nicole glass age 27. the unnamed friend was trying to reach Nicole for
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several hours Nicole failed to show up at the gym that morning which was highly unusual Nicole went by the name of Nikki
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Nikki's phone was going straight to voicemail on that morning the friend decided to head over to the home that
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Nikki shared with her roommate Melissa Mason also age 27. this house was located at 4247 East Cambridge Avenue in
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East Phoenix Arizona this was a modest single level home on a cul-de-sac in a residential neighborhood
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Nikki purchased the home in 2006. when the friend arrived around 12 20 p.m there was no response to her knocks at
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the door now although both women's cars were parked at the home so she suspected
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that they would be home at least one of them so when she tried the door it was locked
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but then the friend didn't give up she walked around to the back of the house and started peeking in through the
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windows and through one window she saw the body of a woman lying on the floor of the living room area of the home so
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she called 9-1-1 on the 9-1-1 call she says quote I just came over to my friend's house and she's not answering
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the door and I went around to the back and I just seen someone lying there and quote
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when investigators arrived they noted that the house was locked and there was no sign of forced entry into the home
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once they forcibly gained entry thanks to some help from the fire department they found the bodies of not one but two
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women lying on the floor this was in fact the two roommates that lived at the house Nikki or Nicole glass the
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homeowner and her roommate Melissa Mason sadly both were dead there was obvious and visible trauma to both bodies one of
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Nicole's dogs a bulldog had also been beaten as well and required medical treatment thankfully the dog survived
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yeah if you look at pictures of these two they they almost could pass as sisters yeah they were the same age they
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were long time friends and as you just pointed out they they could pass for sisters or cousins now the autopsies
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Captain confirmed what people who viewed Nicole and Melissa's bodies must have surmised they both were killed by way of
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a ligature strangulation this information was released in a statement by the Maricopa County Medical
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examiner's Office the ligature was a cord-like object it was not stated whether police believed that the
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ligature or the chord like object came from inside the home but it is reported that the Implement whatever it was was
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not found at the crime scene and even more tragic the medical examiner discovered something very
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important while conducting the autopsies Melissa Mason was eight weeks pregnant when she was killed so this is even more
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sad but fittingly so the case was declared a triple homicide yeah when you first hear that maybe it leans to some
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kind of motive certainly it it raises suspicions that's for sure now Rachel glass Nicole's mom told us True Crime
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garage that she narrowly avoided being the one to find her daughter and her friend she was supposed to go over to
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Nicole's house to help her with a printer but she was too tired after working so she left Nicole a message
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saying that she would do it over the weekend Rachel found out that her daughter was dead when she received a
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phone call from one of Nicole's friends telling her to turn on the news and I don't see in any reports where there's
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any sign of break-in correct there was no sign of a forced entry in to the home And in regards to Melissa's mom Sandra
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she received a phone call that frankly no one wants to get she learned over the phone that her daughter Melissa was dead
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and even worse that her daughter was murdered and that no one knew why exactly when or who committed the
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homicides now in regards to the time of death in this case it's going to be very
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difficult to determine captain of course you always want to know the time of death to determine who had the means to
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commit the murders but according to the family the medical examiner was not able
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to pinpoint a time of death all that the public has been told is that the two were believed to have died between
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this is sometime between 8 P.M on December 2nd and 12 22 p.m on December 3rd now the basis for this very loose
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timeline is this it's reported that Melissa's boyfriend Marquis was at the house visiting Melissa on the night of
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the second now according to him both women were home and accounted for and of course Very Much alive when he left the
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home around 8 PM Marquis is the last known in-person sighting of both of these young women now per HLN detective
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Toby Myers who was in charge of the investigation initially said that both women sent text messages from their
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phones after Melissa's boyfriend left their home quote since there were only text messages and not phone calls
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meaning no one heard their actual voices right sitter Marquis to be the last person to
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see or talk to the girls said the detective however at some point that evening it may have been earlier Nicole
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was at a Ross clothing store in Phoenix so it must have been earlier I'm guessing here Captain but there's no
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time frame for this event as far as we know the Phoenix PD has never reviewed the video surveillance footage from the
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store to see if it held any clues now I want to put a little caveat on there they may have reviewed this surveillance
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footage they've just never spoke publicly about right this event on the timeline and again we know that this
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happened per the family and per Witnesses however we don't know when this event occurred that
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evening I'm guessing because of statements given by the detectives and law enforcement there in Phoenix that
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this would have been before the boyfriend left the home or again we're taking him for his word
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the boyfriend says he left the home at 8 pm so this must have happened before then right and all that what they're
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trying to do there is that we have this eyewitness saying hey I came over I was there for a while when I left they were
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both alive well we got to find out if they were alive before then okay well we have now this movement where Nicole was
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at at a shopping center possibly she used her debit card to pay for something and then we have other eyewitnesses so
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so now we know that his story is lining up more with what he's telling law enforcement and to further extend that
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timeline a little bit Captain according to Melissa's mother Sandra Melissa also sent out some text that evening the last
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one going to her boyfriend Marquis just after 10 pm now he says when he called her back it
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was after midnight and her phone went straight to voicemail this is according to what he told Phoenix police and I'm
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guessing law enforcement has both of their cell phones they do and that was a bit of a mystery for the public and
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we'll get into that deeper as we go because I think that's a big part of this case and a big part of the mystery
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of who done it so we have Marquis the boyfriend being the last known person to see the girls apparently he told the
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police that when he left Nicole was in the shower and it sounds like they had a a
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bartending job scheduled for that night but neither woman ever went to this bar tending job and that's it when when the
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when the friend showed up at their house at 12 22 PM the next day both of our victims are already dead and the killer
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or killers were long gone by that time now Captain I would mentally walk everyone through the crime scene but
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that will be quite difficult in this case the Phoenix police have released almost no information about the crime
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scene so little that even the families of both of the victims know next to nothing about the state of the crime
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scene and what evidence may have been found inside the home and remember our poor woman who discovered them who's
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never been named did not enter the home so we don't have any statements from her
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either she simply saw the body of one of her friends lying on the floor in the living room area and then called 9-1-1
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when looking through after looking through the window of the back of the house well two things there one they're
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protecting the friend's identity because we don't want her to become a suspect that's one but or a victim right and but
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I also want to take a second to look at the front of this house it looks like it's a single car
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garage I'm guessing the garage has access to the house like maybe it's side access to the house
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and then you have the front door but it looks like there's possibly a window on the front door but also there's a front
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window which if somebody's at your front door you'd be able to look out and and know who was at your front door
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yes that's correct now the the Phoenix Police Department told family and friends of the victims that this was a
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very high profile case and they said that it would be best if very little information was released not just to the
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public but very little information released to the the victims in our circle of family and friends as well and
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as we stated they did confirm that there was no forced entry into the home all of
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the doors and the windows were found to be closed and locked and law enforcement stated that the killer
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must have locked the door on their way out of the house this was not done with a key but with the kind of door handle
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lock where you turn to engage the lock in the middle of the knob and then you close the door behind
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you and now you have locked the door on your way out of the house right there is
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some information about the crime scene that we do know and it is as follows both Melissa and Nicole's cars were
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parked at the house Melissa was found on the floor between the kitchen and the dining room area
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well hold on and the reason why that's important to for them to say hey both of their cars
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were there meaning that the individual that did this definitely knew both of them were
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home yeah if you're going to just judge on suspicion of anybody being home based
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on vehicles spotted out front then you see both vehicles and you go well they they must be home at this time
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right and if I was a killer and I was going to Target one of the individuals I probably wouldn't go in
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it probably would not be the opportune time to try to kill one of them if both of them were there right and that's
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going to that leads us down the path of was this planned or was this something that just was reactionary
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now Nicole was found on the floor of the living room other than that no information was released whether there
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was any sign of a struggle inside the home or whether the two women were restrained in any manner or whether
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anything was missing from the home which is very interesting to me as the detectives have said
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that they could not rule out robbery as a possible motive but they went on to you know just to add to the vagueness of
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investigator statements here they also went on to say that they could not rule out any other type of common motive for
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the murders yeah but with death by strangulation with two individuals it almost feels
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like it leans to more than one perpetrator well we do know regardless of what it should be or what
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it is we do know that they that law enforcement collected quote a lot of evidence from the crime scene this is
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per Sergeant Steve martos of the Phoenix PD but exactly what that means specifically right it is unknown now
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several family members told True Crime garage that one of the pieces of evidence was the cell phones that you
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asked about their Captain so both cell phones the phone belonging to Nicole and then
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the phone belonging to Melissa were in fact found inside of the home but get this the phones were found in a pot of
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dirty water in the kitchen sink so presumably the killer or Killers wanted to destroy the phones to destroy
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evidence on those phones and as we saw police were still able to determine that the women had been texting that night
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and with whom this is interesting because you have to wonder did police gather that information about the women
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texting that night and who they were texting and when from the two victims phones or was that
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information that they collected from other people I I'm or both um yeah I'm wondering you
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know it appears to me whoever killed these women be it one perpetrator two or more there
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was some concern given to the phones that they they went out of their way to purposely destroy the phones
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right you have to wonder how successful they were by leaving them in in water soaking in water presumably overnight or
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whenever the murders went down again it just leads in my mind to more than one perpetrator I mean
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if you are have control of one victim the other victim is gonna possibly put up a fight or run to get
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help or something and it looks so a dog was putting up a fight as well yeah it just seems like there's there's a lot
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going on and there's a lot to control in this environment yeah yeah and speaking
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of environment the neighbor said that the young women pretty much kept to themselves but always had a lot of cars
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so a lot of people coming and going from the home you know all the time Phoenix Police
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Department reported that they did not have any reports of illegal activity having taken place at the home it seems
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maybe the neighbors were they might have been a little touchy about all of the friends that the women had over from
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time to time now I don't know this to be the case but often you will see this when younger people we know both of our
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victims here Captain are 27 years of age right you see this when you have younger
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people like our victims when they live in an older neighborhood but I guess of course you don't need to be older to be
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a busybody you know sometimes you get neighbors watching one another and policing each other for reasons only
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because they're they may be bored now Nicole had a series of different roommates over the four years that she
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owned the home so there was always people moving in and out of the house and as we said the home was on a
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cul-de-sac but there was only it looks like there was only one house across from them also situated in the
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cul-de-sac behind our victim's home where the women died was a brick wall around a small yard area separating
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their plot of land from a parking lot for an apartment building so who knows how busy that apartment building parking
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lot would be at certain times let's get into a little background information here in regard to these two ladies the
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two 27 year olds were close friends as we said roommates and also colleagues they live together off and on since they
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met when they were both 23. until very recently up until the time of their deaths they both worked as
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bartenders and waitresses at a strip club in Phoenix called The Sweet Spot Melissa still worked there at the time
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of her death now until 2008 both women had worked at a gentleman's club called Pantera
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and overlapping there for about three years yeah I used to strip at a club called Mega Death the managing General
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partner of the club Frank van zucci told the desert news that the two were quote
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real good girls real smart and quote Nikki was five foot four inches tall she was a workout junkie she used the
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treadmill and waits at her gym regularly remember this one kind of the first sign
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that all is not right when her friend at the gym says she did not show up for her
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normal workout that day red flags go up she goes over to check on her friend right when she worked as a bartender as
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someone who used to bartend she would be what I would call a very smart slash popular bartender she knew
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how to play the bartending game alright so her regular patrons would bar hop they would follow her from bar to bar as
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she filled in for Relief shifts or for other bartenders right this is something you know your your whole salary as a
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bartender is based off of tips and you'll see some very smart bartenders who do this often you can only work
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a couple days a week at a bar because they they have other bartenders and they don't you you traditionally work longer
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shifts so you work just a couple of days well if you want to make good money in in that career
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you get two two different bars or you move around and you're always letting everybody know all of your regulars uh
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Hey tonight I'll be at this bar on Thursday I'll be at that bar and they tend to follow you around and that
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really if if you're baring busy you ain't making much money that night so she was not only good at her job but but
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smart enough to to have that following now she recently quit her job at the club and was taking classes at the
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University of Phoenix where she was studying Communications better than computer it was reported by the media
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that she did not have a steady boyfriend at the time of her death Nicole's Aunt described her to the Phoenix news times
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as quote she loved to tease she was fun happy-go-lucky she just loved life and lived life to the fullest but it's also
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a little bit a part of the job uh if you're a bartender or you're a server or if you're even in the band
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that night your job is to have make sure everybody's having a good time maybe you're you become a little flirty
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that's natural Melissa was known as BB to her friends she was a recent graduate from the
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it looks like pyma Pima paima Medical Institute where she trained to become a dental hygienist
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but she since decided to go into forensics she also loved to travel in fact one time visiting a cousin as far away as
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Qatar in the summer of 2010 she lived with her sister Samantha so this would be the summer before the young women
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were killed Samantha is her younger sister she was planning to move back to Tucson
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where her family was from now Samantha told us that the summer in the summer of 2010 Melissa seemed great she was acting
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totally normal wasn't into anything shady didn't disappear at random times or receive mysterious phone calls when
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they lived together she was living a normal life that summer before she was killed right but we would be remissed if
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we didn't point out both women worked at a strip club and a lot of times with strip clubs there are
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there is drug use yeah well with bars in general there's there's trouble just by
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be it by the patrons or by the the staff staff now Melissa moved back into Nicole's house in the fall so she moves
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in relatively not too long before these murders take place and she did recently discover that
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she was pregnant it's not known whether this was a planned event but she told friends that she was very happy about
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the pregnancy and she told everyone that the father was her boyfriend Marquis Melvin
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a Melissa old Samantha her sister about the baby but was waiting for three more weeks until Christmas to surprise her
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mom Sandra with the good news it was after she was killed that the positive pregnancy test was found in the
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home in a baggie with merry Christmas written on the baggie in a Sharpie with a sharpie but the boyfriend knew that
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she was pregnant the boyfriend knew the sister knew and of course her roommate knew as well as a couple of friends
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she's just keeping it for Mom I'm guessing she would have found out uh she was eight weeks pregnant is is what
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we said so she would have found out probably in November and you know she's probably waiting just to Christmas to
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surprise Mom saying hey wonderful news you're going to be a grandmother well I'm an idiot so I don't
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know this for sure but I've heard a lot of people say that you wait 12 weeks something could go wrong right you don't
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want everybody getting all excited and happy and and that it just adds to the sadness later investigative reporter
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Nicole Partin told Nancy Grace we're also hearing from former employers friends family members co-workers
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that both of these girls were very loving very generous and had absolutely no known enemies and we really couldn't
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find anybody to say anything native about either one of them yeah and I think law enforcement would be able to
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find out if there was any disputes going on through text messages yeah again how
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successful were the killers in in destroying those phones or what information would have been on those
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phones we don't have statements from detectives to tell us where they collected the the knowledge of of
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knowing that there were text messages sent and received that night right from from the people that received them or
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that that were communicating with Nikki and Melissa that night now as we said in
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2006 Nikki purchased the three-bedroom single level home on East Cambridge Avenue where the women were living
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she did this with some roommates so immediately she's buying the home and then having roommates move in to help
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with the expense by paying her rent and taking advantage of at the time what was
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readily available mortgage loans that were around in the mid 2000s right it looks to us from from
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our review of the financial documents that she borrowed about three hundred thousand dollars to purchase this home
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at some point she got underwater with the house after a refinance this home went into foreclosure but in
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November so this is this is to point out that she's having some money issues leading
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up to the murders November of 2010 just one month before they were killed Nicole
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was able to come up with the money to save the house and at the time of her death it was actually under renovation
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so she and Melissa were still living there while the house was being renovated but it was empty
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it was it was somewhat empty you know there's not a lot of furniture inside the home because the floors were being
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redone at this time and the two young women were sleeping on couches while the work was being accomplished
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[Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers cheers to you Captain cheers to everybody out there and happy happy
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happy holidays Nicole and Melissa's families feel that they have been given the Run Around by Phoenix Police
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the initial detective on the case as we mentioned earlier her name Toby Myers she went out on maternity leave for five
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months after the murders and according to the families no one worked the case until she returned in October of
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2011. so unfortunately the you know this is such a stupid thing to say but unfortunately the timing of the murders
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of the investigation is just not not great we have the detective who's going to be working the case looking
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into it and after five months she has to go on maternity leave and then you have
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the even more sad fact of the case just kind of sits there on the Shelf nobody doing anything with it while Toby Myers
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is off on maternity leave yeah but that's speculation from the family correct correct but speculation or not
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what they can say is for x amount of time this case was unsolved it was relatively fresh and no one's contacting
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us we did not see or hear of any work being done on our daughter's case so after
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Toby Myers comes back in October of 2011. she moves on and the case was handed off from there
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to another detective and then to another detective and it really this case really
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bounced around the department to different detectives for years and apparently there were a large number
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of homicides in the city in 2010 and the police force was just overwhelmed well the problem here with this case is it's
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not right away when you look at the situation you look at the victims you look at Nicole what she's doing with her
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life you look at Melissa what she's doing with her life you have a one of them pregnant so okay that's a possible
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motive then you go well maybe burglary and could be known it could have been a known burglary and
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the reason why is because you have both individuals that worked at a strip club both individuals worked as bartenders
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both of those occupations give you loose cash right that's true so that's very true
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you'd be coming home with cash and most of the time because you're working as a bartender you don't have the time to
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make a deposit to your bank at night so it's safer to come home and then on top of that thinking about
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the patrons whether whether they're a stripper whether they're working as a stripper or whether they're working as a
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bartender guess what both of those occupations have fans right and so now you have a situation
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where it's like okay were they robbed and people knew what they were doing just robbed in general
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because they thought oh well there's two females here we can control the situation
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but did it have something to do with uh the one being pregnant or was there some
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Patron that was had some I had some uh fantasy about one or or had some crush on one and there's
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so many motives in this case yeah it's possible that some skeevy old dude becomes obsessed with with one of these
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young ladies I think the issue where I take with that theory is you would want to
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you would very likely want to wait until your target would be alone and as you pointed out seeing the two vehicles out
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front if you were watching either one of these young women or following them around you would know that right now is
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not a great time to to go into the home the other thing we got to factor in here
00:37:17
too is you have a situation where there is no force entry was was this someone that the one of the women knew or both
00:37:27
of them knew and let into the home that's also quite the possibility what what I think we have here and this is
00:37:35
really just someone trying to read between the lines of the statements given by law enforcement when I hear we
00:37:43
cannot rule out the pro possibility of robbery as a motive but we cannot rule out any other motive either where that
00:37:51
leads me is I don't see this being a home that is randomly robbed meaning it there does
00:38:02
not seem to be evidence or if there was it's not a very smart tactic as far as law enforcement go to not say say so if
00:38:11
this if there was clear-cut evidence to detectives that someone just at random picked out a house and said all right
00:38:18
let's go in there and Rob the place oh [ __ ] everything went bad and we ended up
00:38:24
killing the two people that lived there police in my experience will almost always say publicly that this was a
00:38:32
robbery we feel that the motive here for these murders was a robbery gone bad they say that because they need the
00:38:40
public to be aware that this could happen again that these offenders could pick another house at random it's time
00:38:47
to alert the public that that is is a likely possibility and that their safety is a concern so what I think we have
00:38:55
here when you have law enforcement and saying we cannot rule out the possibility of robbery but we cannot
00:39:02
rule out the possibility of any other motive I believe that there were there was something missing from the whole
00:39:09
something maybe an item or a couple of items that were taken from the home and that's why they have that statement we
00:39:17
cannot rule out the possibility of robbery but it's not a clear-cut robbery at random as said because they would
00:39:24
have taken a whole bunch of stuff from the house they you don't just go in there and kill and then walk away with
00:39:30
little to nothing you you come out of there with with every treasure that you can uncover while you're in there and so
00:39:39
to me I it's the same as the cell phones I feel like somebody went out of their way to try to destroy those phones or
00:39:48
what could be on those phones and then had to take it a step further and take an item or two from the home
00:39:55
that may have some connection to them or to make it to Stage it to look like some
00:40:02
kind of robbery and I and then I think if you're going to go that route you also have to include what you said they
00:40:09
could have had a lot of cash on hand and if somebody knew that then it's not a random robbery it's a targeted robbery
00:40:16
with a very specific goal in mind for the perpetrator yeah or it's one of the goals there could be multiple goals
00:40:23
you know what I mean well and with all of these with the with the high homicide rate in the area at the time in the city
00:40:32
of for the year of 2010 we've seen this in other cases in other cities as well it it appears that the
00:40:41
case quickly lost the attention of the investigators because they have Case Files piling up on their desk and from
00:40:48
what the police were saying there was very little concrete evidence to go on in this case to begin with yet they kept
00:40:57
telling the family all along for 10 years now that they can't tell them any details about the
00:41:05
evidence because they were worried they would jeopardize the investigation yeah again that's one of those things that I
00:41:11
think would be so difficult with law enforcement because as you're given this information
00:41:16
to the family you can tell that the family is they're they're suffering their loved one was murdered they want
00:41:22
answers they're starting to point the finger at you and putting blame on you for not getting this solved but there's
00:41:28
a part of you going hey we don't have a lot of evidence and if I turn this over to you then then there goes our case
00:41:36
possibly yeah and I'm going to continue to read between the lines here so law enforcement would not address this
00:41:43
is according to the families would not address whether there was any sexual assault
00:41:49
or even confirm whether there was any type of robbery at all now the family members that we spoke with are skeptical
00:41:56
about both of these items they were being told this is very interesting they were being
00:42:03
told that there was no helpful DNA that seems very intriguing to me Captain the choice of words there there is no
00:42:12
helpful DNA it sounds like there is some kind of DNA evidence but what the problem is with it we do not know uh
00:42:23
they were told there were no prints no forced entry and no digital record of anything useful to go on in this case
00:42:31
that's according to what the family says they were told by law enforcement but we
00:42:36
know that Melissa texted her boyfriend that night again around 10 p.m if it was in fact Melissa that sent that text it
00:42:44
could be if the phones are a big concern to the Killer maybe this is just a a red
00:42:50
herring here we do know that there were other Communications that night as well now according to family members DNA was
00:42:58
found on some cigarette butts and drinking cups found at the crime scene there was some partial Prince that were
00:43:06
found by crime scene texts and per the Phoenix Police Department none of these things panned out
00:43:13
that's what they're saying but the family says that the Phoenix PD has failed to use updated testing methods to
00:43:21
test the DNA that they they have it and they're simply running it every six months or so
00:43:26
against databases of known offenders but they're not re-testing the DNA itself the family even tried to petition
00:43:36
for further DNA testing saying that not everything from the scene the the evidence that they've been told was
00:43:43
collected they're saying the families are saying not everything at the scene has been tested
00:43:49
but the state officials have not been receptive to to the families trying to get a hold of this information or
00:43:57
pushing them to to test it this could be because an of an Infamous backlog in text and testing I'm Sorry by the state
00:44:07
crime lab so in 2016 the Arizona sexual assault evidence collection kit task force
00:44:15
reported a total of 6424 untested rape kits in their storage at law enforcement agencies across the
00:44:28
state so I'm pointing all this out to to just say Hey look it's very possible that there is
00:44:37
some material from Nicole and Melissa's attack that has never been tested I mean
00:44:44
we have we have them on record the State of Arizona saying over 6 000 untested rape kits are in storage at Law law
00:44:53
enforcement agencies across the state and that is absolutely ridiculous yeah and it unfortunately it goes on in every
00:45:01
state Arizona is not just the only one in fact there there are cases here in Ohio and I can say this because of our
00:45:08
work with the porch light project and our work here in True Crime garage that we are aware of several cases that have
00:45:15
DNA evidence and for whatever reason they're either not testing it or you know it's it's it's just frustrating
00:45:23
it's frustrating there is a certain amount of expense that is associated with with these tests though too we do
00:45:31
need to point that out that there it's not free to to do this type of testing and and these agencies do have to run on
00:45:38
on budgets like everywhere any other business would right but if it was if it was men being raped I guarantee you
00:45:45
those tests would be done already they don't have anything sitting on the shelf yeah I don't know I can't I can't
00:45:52
speak to that I'm guessing that uh if you have over 6 000 untested rape kits that that some of the victims might not
00:45:59
or might not all be female um there are some people that have been vocal in this case in the glass and
00:46:11
Mason case here that say look the the ball has been dropped and I will Echo that that
00:46:18
feeling as well I will say it looks to me that the ball has been dropped here but
00:46:24
some have gone as far to say that the the ball the dropping of the ball in this case was so blatant that they're
00:46:30
wondering was this on purpose is is there someone protecting someone else here or are the investigators in the
00:46:40
Phoenix Police Department just borderline incompetent in this case well you also have to wonder too with Nicole
00:46:46
and Melissa's so you know working in a bar or working at a strip club sometimes they have
00:46:52
off-duty officers that will work security at night or they'll have like a I know
00:47:00
my buddy's bar they'd have Cop come in as they would be closing down for the night so
00:47:07
maybe that's where the suspicion is leading people and as far as if you want to look a little closer to home
00:47:16
we do have on record police saying that they that Marquis Melvin the Melissa's current boyfriend at the time when she
00:47:26
was killed they say that he this is a direct quote from the police department quote he's certainly been Cooperative
00:47:35
with our detectives certainly providing some information to us that we hope will
00:47:39
be useful in this investigation but because we do not have any leads at this point we certainly don't want to rule
00:47:48
anybody out so they checked out this this current boyfriend of Melissa's and their their stance on him is he's
00:47:59
been Cooperative he's worked with our detectives and our investigators if we need something he's responsive however
00:48:08
we've not officially ruled him out we've not cleared him uh specifically now they did say that a
00:48:17
former boyfriend of of Nikki's again not saying that he's ruled out either but they did go on record to say that they
00:48:28
do not believe that the former boyfriend of Nikki was involved in any way at all
00:48:33
so I don't know if this means that he has a solid Alibi for the night or if he was just you know nowhere near the area
00:48:41
but in regards to that old relationship of Nikki's we do have family members who are saying
00:48:48
that the the breakup was amicable that um that there didn't seem to be any hard feelings it was not a a violent or
00:49:00
hostile type uh relationship now per the Phoenix New Times they reported that Melissa's boyfriend Marquis took and
00:49:09
passed a polygraph examination uh so that would further further along the statement by police
00:49:16
saying that he was in fact Cooperative again though they've not officially cleared him and
00:49:24
if you're reading between the lines they're going out of their way to publicly say he's been Cooperative but
00:49:30
we've not officially ruled him out so there must be something suspicious there and as you pointed out Captain
00:49:36
this pregnancy unfortunately it's supposed to be a beautiful wonderful thing we've seen this in other cases
00:49:43
it's also a motive for for murder yeah which is sad and pathetic as for other suspects police
00:49:51
uncovered some information that could be relevant to the murders Nicole glass had
00:49:58
a record a police record in fact she was arrested in 2009 so the year before she was caught up in a some kind of
00:50:07
giant sting operation that was targeting drug dealers and drug users in the area
00:50:13
Nicole used her phone to contact the dealer and she bought some pot now I do want to point out this is
00:50:21
very low level stuff here um I've seen people online who suggest that this is the motive that this is
00:50:30
your answer that that she must have ratted somebody out or when they busted this this drug ring that this part here
00:50:39
that this this was a little more bigger than than normal situations because it looks from what I could find they busted
00:50:49
everyone they could find involved in this thing and there were it was reported there were between 60 to 110
00:50:58
people arrested so it does seem to to go a little bit above and beyond your your normal
00:51:07
low-level pot dealing but from what I could see though Captain through all the weed and smoke it appears to me that she
00:51:13
made a phone call and bought some weed and that's about the extent of her involvement in this so I don't know that
00:51:21
I see a situation where it's some big time drug dealer some drug cartel being ratted out by this
00:51:28
person who probably like to smoke a little pot on the weekend so I think it's a little far-fetched to say that
00:51:34
this is in fact the cause for a double homicide here uh in regards to Nikki and Melissa now one
00:51:45
thing that I found to be very interesting as we're kind of going through some different possibilities and
00:51:51
theories here captain the girls both of the the young women were supposed to work a private event
00:51:59
that night so this is something that would be out of the norm for both our victims right and of course murder is
00:52:08
completely out of the norm so we're looking for anything strange going on around the time of the crimes
00:52:16
this I found to be very interesting they were supposed to work a private event that night and whoever
00:52:23
I couldn't figure out find who set this whole thing up or who was supposed to pick them up
00:52:31
somebody was supposed to pick them up and take them to the private event that night and for whatever reason whoever
00:52:38
this was they did not show up so the the two young women did not go and work this
00:52:44
event this right do we have a record of a car showing up and honking the horn or
00:52:50
going to the door and knocking and and the girls just didn't come out and then the car left
00:52:55
well what we do have is we have communication from the the victims to others that say the event was not going
00:53:04
to happen or the event fell through so that's that's how we know that this this event this private event that they
00:53:13
were supposed to work uh did not happen so let's go into to what this event was or could have been
00:53:22
this from my understanding keep in mind they're they're bartenders so someone had hired them to work a
00:53:29
private event as bartenders for that night now the boyfriend leaves their home if the boyfriend's not involved I mean
00:53:39
he could be if he's not involved if he didn't kill them if if him and and somebody else didn't kill them because
00:53:46
I'm with you Captain I think this was more than one person but was this whole private event was this this person
00:53:53
that's supposed to show show up and pick them up is this some kind of ruse that to me seems likely but if that person
00:54:00
were to be the killer or wanted to attack or rape one or both of the women or what have you
00:54:07
it seems to me that this person would have went along with hey the event's still going on and picked up the women
00:54:13
and taking them willingly from the home to another location yeah that makes sense the event from my understanding
00:54:20
had something to do with the Phoenix Cardinals with the with the football team it was
00:54:28
supposed to be some kind of after hours party that they were going to bartend and for whatever reason again according
00:54:36
to this communication it looks like either they it was decided that they were not needed for this event or that
00:54:42
the event did not happen at all now I looked up the 2010 Cardinal schedule because my first thought was they were
00:54:51
found Friday Friday morning Friday early afternoon so was this a situation where the
00:54:57
Cardinals were playing a Thursday night home game and there was going to be some
00:55:01
after party well there's nothing in the football schedule that would indicate to
00:55:06
me anything obvious uh any kind of obvious event going on that night they played the Sunday before and they played
00:55:14
the Sunday after and the Cardinals were not very good that year so I don't see any reason for
00:55:20
celebration at all so I I I do wonder what this event was what the exact details of this event were to be it's
00:55:31
something that I've looked at and would like to know more about and then to circle the wagons one more
00:55:39
time here captain I think that the answer to me I think this is a very solvable case now
00:55:48
I don't know what has been lost due to time I mean keep in mind we're sitting here in the garage December 2020. so
00:55:57
this month marks the 10-year anniversary of the triple homicide and it is still unsolved and you have to
00:56:07
wonder how cold has this case got by now and what do we have in the way of evidence we know that
00:56:16
they collected a lot of items from the home it seems to me like there's meat on the bone here for detectives it sounds
00:56:22
to me like there is somewhat of a bread crumb trail that they have some type of evidence I just questioned how well they
00:56:31
are currently working right this case and I think it's solvable or there might not be much there's a trail but there's
00:56:38
not much Bread on there well I think it's solvable too because of the cell phones to me that points at every
00:56:46
indication that one of the girls likely both of the young women knew the assailant or the assailants
00:56:55
people went out of their way to try to destroy information on those phones did somebody I'm wondering if it could be to
00:57:04
the point where somebody even made a threat via text message or was there somebody calling one of these young
00:57:12
women over and over and over again that night right and they thought by dumping it in and look there could have been a
00:57:20
pan with water in the sink already but they decided Well if I dump it in this pan with water I'll get rid of these
00:57:28
text messages or these phone records yeah and it does it looks to me like someone was very concerned about what
00:57:34
was on one if not both of those phones to the point where they made an a a conscious effort to one not take the
00:57:44
phones with them not remove them from the home I think there was something removed from the home maybe to Stage the
00:57:51
possibility of a robbery or there was something that tied something that directly tied the perpetrator to that
00:58:00
home that they decided to remove with them but they decided not to take the phones but oh I got to destroy these
00:58:07
phones they didn't smash them they were smart enough to leave them in water well
00:58:12
that's what makes you um start going down the conspiracy theory Rabbit Hole a little bit because you go
00:58:19
put the cell phones into water don't take them with you because even if the phone was turned off you probably could
00:58:25
get some cell phone ping technology who has knowledge of that well law enforcement
00:58:34
um so that could get your brain going down the conspiracy theory Rabbit Hole pretty or people listening to this show
00:58:41
you know they you can pick up on these things uh a multitude of different ways so to me I think that that is your
00:58:50
breadcrumb that is your bread crumb Trail right there for me it's it's who in their Inner Circle
00:58:58
would have killed them I mean obviously we said it's been reported to the newspapers
00:59:04
by by employers and co-workers family and friends that we could not find an enemy we could not find anyone that
00:59:14
didn't like them but obviously someone someone did not like them or did not like what was going on or somebody liked
00:59:22
them too much that's true that's true and what I would like to know and I think it's something that they again
00:59:28
you know it was the case dropped was the ball dropped here I don't know but they
00:59:34
didn't obviously pick up the ball and run with enthusiasm right it wasn't Nick job from the Cleveland
00:59:42
Browns grabbing the ball and taking off running with it or if you saw Chase young pick up that
00:59:48
fumble and run into the end zone you're not going to stop those guys and I think
00:59:53
some of the stuff that they could have done and I would like to know the answer maybe they know the answer if you have a
00:59:59
smaller time period of when you think possibly Nicole was killed or Melissa was killed is there a Gap
01:00:07
where is it within maybe a couple minutes again because we need to figure out are we
01:00:14
looking for one suspect are we looking for or two or three so I think that's some stuff that with
01:00:24
autopsy you know take the ball and run with the autopsy that they could have better answers
01:00:31
and and that I think would lead you into different Avenues of Investigation well
01:00:37
and one thing too that I think is just ridiculous I mean when we spoke with John we spoke with John Douglas he said
01:00:48
I I don't get he's like he's like yeah I get that you have to have some hold back
01:00:53
information he's like but the public is who is going to help investigators most of the time solve these cases before
01:01:01
they go cold and he's saying you know I don't understand why they would choose to hold back everything and not let the
01:01:08
public know anything at all there is no doubt in my mind that law enforcement knows has a much better idea of well
01:01:20
they were killed sometime between 10 p.m and 12 22 PM the next day I mean that is
01:01:27
a window of of 14 and a half hours roughly they know they can shrink that window
01:01:35
down a little bit more and what I mean by by why would you hold on to that information it makes no damn sense
01:01:41
because if you know if you can go you know what we have a pretty good idea that that both of them were dead for
01:01:49
eight hours or 10 hours before they were found well that's a much shorter window
01:01:54
you have family and friends and a lot of people you have neighbors who seem to be
01:01:59
nosy watching the watching the cul-de-sac watching the you know watching the neighborhood
01:02:04
if you can release that information now you have a much shorter window you have people that are eager to help and
01:02:10
provide information to the Phoenix Police Department in this specific case and they can go you know what uh so and
01:02:17
so was not accounted for during this time or oh uh oh the boyfriend uh he said this that and the other thing well
01:02:25
um he left in the middle of the night or he didn't come home until very early in
01:02:30
the morning you know there there's a hundred different ways to to shake this thing
01:02:36
and to get some some better information I mean in in defense of the Phoenix to place the police department we do have
01:02:45
the sergeant Steve martos on record saying unfortunately this case has remained unsolved that the Phoenix
01:02:52
Police Department and members of the crime lab were working tirelessly tirelessly on this case and many other
01:03:00
cases and this will remain the focus on identifying and arresting those responsible for this triple homicide it
01:03:10
says according according to the sergeant he's saying that the department is continuing to seek help from the
01:03:16
community well that doesn't seem to be the actual case because you're you're claiming to
01:03:22
the family members that this is a high profile case and we can't tell the family anything
01:03:28
you're seeking information from the community yes you are but you're not giving any you're not giving any help to
01:03:35
the community help me to help you you know you there there is information that they can come off of in this case that I
01:03:43
think people can provide some details to investigators to narrow down the suspect
01:03:49
pool here well that's arrogance and it's ignorance as well and it's basically um
01:03:56
it's an ego thing and that's why John somebody like John Douglas goes I don't understand because what he understands
01:04:04
is that at the end of the day it's again I'm going to bring up another football reference only two football references
01:04:11
in the last four years just just to let everybody know it doesn't matter how you
01:04:16
get the win as long as you get the win because two weeks from now nobody gives a [ __ ] if
01:04:21
you beat the team by one pointer if you beat the team by 10 points it doesn't matter if you get the win and it's the
01:04:27
same with law enforcement if you solve the case it don't matter how you got there
01:04:32
it doesn't matter if you if you put out it's just like in the Delphi case if they would have put out some of this
01:04:37
information earlier maybe it would have been solved and if it got solved then you're the
01:04:43
hero nobody's going to look at you and go oh you release too much information you're
01:04:48
not a good detective if your job is to solve the the case doesn't matter how you solved it and I
01:04:56
think that's why people like John Douglas are going doesn't make any sense to me why would not why would you not
01:05:01
use the media why would you not use the public to try to solve this case because they're the ones that are going
01:05:08
to help you solve it and guess who's going to get credit yeah you will law enforcement Phoenix the department will
01:05:14
they'll be the heroes they will be the heroes at the end of the day who solved the case now if you and I are right
01:05:21
captain and our suspicions that more than one person was involved in this attack from what very little that
01:05:28
they're telling us about the crime scene and the crime itself it appears to me that this was two or more individuals
01:05:35
that puts a much higher probability that someone in that group has told somebody
01:05:41
at some time maybe they got a drunk confession or or a guilty confession they just had to get it off their chest
01:05:49
and tell somebody I believe that someone has been told some information in regards to this triple homicide and
01:05:58
it's time to come forward it's been 10 years now Rachel glass spoke with the Arizona Central in 2019 saying quote I
01:06:10
need answers my daughter was 27 and she was just starting her life I thought I would be planning a wedding instead of a
01:06:19
funeral and then we have Melissa's mom Sandra who told the Arizona Central quote we relive the moment over and over
01:06:29
again and we get asked the same questions I have the same answers because I have no new information we
01:06:39
just pray to God that one day we'll see justice as said Captain this December marks 10 years
01:06:47
since these women were murdered and their killer or Killers is still out there walking around free free to kill
01:06:56
again anyone with information on this case is asked to call Silent Witness at 480-948-6377 we will include that phone
01:07:12
number in today's show notes there is a reward for information in this case need to go
01:07:22
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