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[Applause] [Applause] okay we're good we're live yeah but not alive was a long weekend I don't think I
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stayed up that late that many times and many those years I think I think I went to bed at 1:00 every night or in that
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area i am i played it easier the some of the some of the things work early and they're not like it's not super easy to
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get to them you know yell wake up and get get ready in them and then make your way through everything and the hotel was
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the layout was good but it was it was a long walk to get to everything he had crime gone all the way at one hand at
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that i don't know where you were located but but my hotel room was all the way up
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the other end but one thing i noticed right from Jump Street is that they they being crime Don seemed to be getting you
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know they're learning you know we're growing with crime gone it's only been in three years but not
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only are they growing in the number of attendees and the number and the number of attractions but they're also growing
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in the way that they're learning how to one better organize things lay things out and present things in a really like
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almost like a like a Hollywood style in the sense that now you know much different than a few years ago at
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Indianapolis this year when you walk in you you know you're walking into something big and that there's really a
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lot of stuff going on and I really thought the entrance to everything was very cool and then it was really cool
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how you had all the exhibit were were were right they're really the ones that they were using the most were
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immediately to your right and to your left right when you went in there and I know the crime times always going to be
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at the mercy of whatever Convention Center that they choose to use in to a host but it I don't know I don't know if
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they're just getting really good at what they're doing or if this year's convention center layout you know where
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you was better but even just something as simple as the crime Kahn store you know it's selling books and t-shirts and
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shot glasses and whatever even just that was um that was immediately noticed by me that it was well in the last two
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years I know one I should say I don't remember too much about Indianapolis was only there a short period of time I
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didn't really run around and look at everything but you know last year that when we were doing podcast road they
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were still unpacking boxes of things to stock the shelves with for their store and this year you walked in and it was
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set up it was pristine it was it looked really good and it was separated it was separated from everything else to where
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where you know last year the podcast row and the store and and some of the exhibits all kind of bled into one
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another so where there was no clear-cut boundaries of what you're walking into or getting into and one thing I thought
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was really cool too for us whoever whatever group of the crime con people that are in charge of podcast Row one
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thing that I noticed - or that I this is just a suspicion I have I don't can't confirm this but it seems to me like the
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group that's in charge of that must be listening to these podcasts because the I can't first ii believe that they we
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just happen to be you know our location we had Generation Y right behind us we had Tim and Lance
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from crawl space right / bias we had Bill Hoffman from who killed Amy Mahalo Vic we had James Renner author you know
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to his two bills left and so a lot of the people that we've done crossovers with and that we've worked with on on
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our podcast or their podcast you know we were all positioned in the same area of
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podcast row which was which was really neat and so I think that that was done purposefully - and in a neat way you
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know it's like people come up and say hi to us and then immediately go all there's the crawl space guys there's the
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genoise guys and to not have to walk very far to get to but the other thing too that was great is especially
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comparing to last year the number of podcasters there seemed a lot more this year as well and it changed it up - I
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know from talking to a couple people that they didn't invite some of the ones from before invited - new ones because
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of conflict trying to have that lineup change so I thought that was pretty neat and then I made the big mistake by
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upgrading my hotel which spoking on a higher floor so any time I had to go back to my room it was like a bigger
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chore do you know what do you know what floor you were going to be on if you hadn't
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had not upgraded or do it what was this upgrade already made I think it was like
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fourth or fifth floor yeah because I was wondering I didn't see anybody that we knew on my floor and I was wondering if
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they were you know if they were putting those people together or not but as much
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as you come and go from your room I would have thought that I would have seen somebody at some point but I do
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know some podcasters that didn't even that didn't stay at the hotel to begin at a different hotel and I think some
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were some may have been invited later than others and I think you know I don't know how quick that Hotel filled up
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actually I have I do have some general idea because I do know somebody a friend of mine who went and they booked their
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hotel maybe March I'm guessing so right over there was space they're available have no idea how many rooms that hotel
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had it was huge well my thought was the higher up I got maybe the closer I got to keep more so
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that was my goal and it wasn't like I got I got a upgrade but the room wasn't any different I feel like my room has
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looked the same for three crimes but they've been in different hotels really yep last year though I mean that that
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resort was was extremely cool and I loved having the indoor balcony yes in Nashville that was sweet because it was
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a way of like stepping out of your room but not really leaving your room and that was very good matter of fact I fell
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asleep on a second floor balcony here in Florida last night look staring at the ocean I woke up
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about 3:30 in the morning in my chair and had a do a nice crawl to bed but yeah so Orlando is next year and then I you
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know there's never any really we always kind of just think we're going because you know that I've never been a part of
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any official invite this you know this early in the game so we always just kind of assume we're going and
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at some point we'll hear from somebody but what I heard was this convention center is very similar to the Opryland
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Convention Center where it has multiple restaurants and bars with inside the Convention Center so yeah I heard the
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same thing and I heard that from ia and forgive me I do not know the name of the
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convention center of engines just the Orlando Convention Center or something I have no idea but yeah I did hear the
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same thing that is it's set up in a way that you you would never have to feel the the urge to leap you know there's
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enough there and they did have those amenities at this hotel and Convention Center I will say I thought the my
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general thought of the hotel restaurant and bar the food was very good but the bar was a little tricky because one I
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thought the drinks were very expensive at the hotel bar and I like I paid 15 bucks for vodka soda and and and I
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believe in leaving a generous tip and so that made that about the soda of the choice of water drink yeah the most
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expensive drink of my trip so far you know and I'm in four days four or five days on on travel here and they had and
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then the other thing is they had a lot of tables at the bar but I don't think they had the ability to handle the
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volume if they filled all those tables which they did because there was so many people there so many people want to
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catch a drink or two but downtown well know if it's you would call it downtown the Bourbon Street and then making your
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way to and from Bourbon Street some of the bars there just had fantastic bartenders at some you know some of the
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places who kind of dives where you walk in and it's the kind of maybe you just want to get a beer or you
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just want to get a shot and a beer and that's it but then there's other places that you could tell this is a place this
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is an establishment that you want to order a cocktail because they know what they're doing they know how to fix these
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babies up and so I did have some really really fantastic cocktails all that involved bourbon on Bourbon Street and
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they were fantastic and did not cost me $15 for north it's for the cocktail so I
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didn't get to see much of New Orleans but when that's what we said last week though we just you just know that going
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in because we're kind of hunkered down working most of the day and then the meetup that you and Morgan organized for
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Friday night was really good it was really cool at Ernst cafe which was really nice I liked how they had the
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balcony at Ernst Cafe on the second floor you know everybody can kind of spill out onto the balcony and so we it
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we had a group of people Thursday night and we went out and and I posted on Instagram hey come out you know this for
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drinking then turned into about I don't know say 30 30 people total and and they'd come out have a couple drinks and
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doesn t even it right when I was about ready to leave plays your case probably go home
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Tandy gets her sleep before crime Tom starts the next day and then here comes Tim and Lance and art from the
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documentary the disappearance of Mauri Mauri on oxygen shell and and being a big fan
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of his oh here's my chance to drink with art and he was he was already in party mode so I said I'm behind pretty late
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right well I didn't know how late it was okay probably about two and then me and
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artists sir drinking heavily and our heart is a dancer so he adapted with all the ladies
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and I would just had a really good time and then Lance was wearing a mustard colored yes shirt remember coming home
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yes so that was made by night because it was the worst shirt I've ever seen and and then next thing you know it's like 5
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o'clock in the morning 6 o'clock in the morning and work and we're walking back to the hotel and but while we're there
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the bartender his name was Adam supercool guy I was like hey what are you guys doing tomorrow is there like
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can we have a meet-up here instead of because we're going to have it at the hotel bar but I was like let's have it
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at a place where the drinks are 25 bucks yeah things like yeah not only can you have it here but there's an upstairs
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come back tomorrow so we saw Morgan went down there checked it out set is cool they said they could house two
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bartenders but within you know because the people that came out Friday night were such party animals that they ran
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out of beer really quick and couple people were complaining about it I was like hey these these guys didn't know
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about what they're getting into until right and till that day and the guy was like you know I could open up the
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upstairs for you are you going to at least have 50 people and we're like yeah of course while at least let you people
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what turned into the whole upstairs be impacted about the balcony be impact the balcony was a lot of fun and just to
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hang out with everybody on Maggie was there crawl space was there and mind of madness was there so many other
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podcasters hanging out and then to see so many people from crime Con one in crime gone too
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was really cool as well well and I'm not like so Tim and lamps they seem to me like and we know this from when they
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come to Columbus and just in general but they they seem like night owls like they're like night guys and me not some
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I still like to get up early in the morning and I'll hang as long as I can but like our meetup I guess technically
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was it wouldn't be till about 9:00 and wasn't like a hard start or anything like that it was you know kind of come
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as you please but I went over there at 8:00 because you know I'm up the type I don't I don't like waiting around all
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day to start drinking 1 & 2 I don't like to be going to bed too late and so whenever they're 8 instead of at 9 and
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you know it was just 2 of us that walked in and the room was empty so they got crap I wanted to go early but I didn't
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want to be the first one there and then as I made my way there was a little corner there as I made my way and
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through the room often the corner was was Justin in a couple people so Justin from Generation Y and I was like sweet
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I'm not the first one here and he and I just had the best conversation as we were you know waiting for the the room
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to fill up and it very quickly did and and I know our intention was we were even telling people hey come over Earth
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cafe and drink and talk and watch the basketball game with us and I didn't wash I probably watched about two
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minutes of the basketball game but are they planning their playing tonight right I believe so and but when he did
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about Justin's generation why is his wife was there so it was nice to finally meet her because I've heard so much
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about her through Justin and that she's such a rockstar she's such a cool person that she would
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have these crowds of people around her more than just a bit because kept on saying nobody wants to talk to
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me they want to talk to boys and then later that I I got to the point where I keep you know people are coming up and
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taking pictures and which is cool because I'd rather get a picture at a bar with somebody than that I had a
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Convention Center but so that was happening but my feet were just killing me because I think that day we had like
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a three hour podcast row thing and we stood the whole time for spamming all thought yeah
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so I've actually sat down and then I got into a heated debate with Aaron from on
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the podcast sitting upstairs are you good from one of a hundred and seven degrees it's a podcast that's about the
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Mara Mary Kate she's really close to the Murrays and so it's a Scott which I just
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met him his super awesome guy he did a really cool thing too like he's one of those guys where you
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you hire a super engine sound but he so he's a sound guy I prayed but he started
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this company where he goes into like these giant mansions and big houses connects all their technology and so
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he's showing me all these things he did but he runs the armory I think Facebook group our Facebook page and so we're
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talking to him and then Aaron from 107 degrees me and her got into this his record he needed debates as well then we
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basically created like a crowd of people like listening to the base and uh and the fight they those out me and her have
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debated quite a bit on Twitter so I wasn't like hey nice to meet you we've had all these kids beats and we always
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in the debates on on a friendly note it's always like okay well I'll agree with you on this and how I agree with
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you on that but you're giving me something to think about I mean dive into this information so I
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thought oh well now we're meeting a person well we'll just kind of shoot the [ __ ] and have a good time now I went
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right to debating again so now I just prefer to hear people's thoughts their theories their opinions yeah but some
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people you like to debate with you know yeah thank you you know so was it was a it wasn't a bad debate it was actually
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is this funny to me that the majority of the conversation that I've had with her
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online have been debate and then that carried over to actual real life but but was really cool with Scott
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Aaron Maggie and and so many people were saying hey you gotta meet Julie Marie because she would like to possibly sit
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down jamish talked about coming out to Columbus and fit in the garage and actually do him interview that way which
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we which would be cool because she'd she's actually a CrossFit affiliate owner meaning she owns a CrossFit gym
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and in Columbus Ohio being huge in the CrossFit community like she's like well we go out there often anyways so that
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was really cool and it's kind of neat to see a family that's involved in a case for so long that have kind of been um
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reserved about talking to certain individuals to actually now say hey look we're trying to make a couple things
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happen and we've now seen with these podcasts and with with documentaries and how that has helped our case and now we
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want to get more involved so well yeah and then you had one thing I think that's very important to point out is
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the with the Delphi partners presentation it was an hour-long presentation and it it's not new
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information it's not like they're giving crime taught people some kind of secret
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on the down low whoa about the case it's important to stress this the family members of these
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two victims are simply there a crime thought to remind everybody that hey this is what happened we're still
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looking for this this the perpetrator of this terrible crime and one thing that I
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found very interesting during the presentation is fight the father the grandfather I'm sorry he you know he
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said look we're still doing this stuff not only for the very reason that he was I still meet people that say I've never
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heard of the space which is mind-blowing to true crime people and to crime thought people but you know because it
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was national news in him but they are not going to stop working and they're not going to stop until everybody is
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made aware of it so everybody sees the information and one thing that I thought was very cool too was to hear them say
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you know we are yes we are working the case you know being the family and that they still pass out information and they
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do things like crime caught and but it is the police you know it's the Indiana State Police's job to do the work the
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investigation itself so when when they're asked you know so what what kind of work are you doing on the case the
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investigation other thing other than keeping it in in the media that's really their only job but what they are doing
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is they they are taking they've set up these different fundraisers and different ways to to make money and
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they're building a big park with baseball diamonds and softball fields and stuff like that and his memory of
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the two girls which is very cool because that's something that will be you know hopefully we catch this guy very
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soon and that may end a chapter in in their lives of the family but with this this Park in this place where the
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community can go and take their children and things like that will be around for
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a long long time and I think that's really cool that that's happening and it's not the best their dream this is in
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the process of of habit you know right I'm one and I'm the same kind of sentiment not to me Brianna Brianna
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Maitland father Bryn Bruce yet and for him to be there to say well look we don't know if we're going to ever get
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any more answers on my daughter's case but what we can do is you know with this foundation to raise money to help other
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families that can't afford a private investigator for them to be able to then come in and help help out with that on
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the financial side and and and back to the Mara Mary thing real quick because I thought this was interesting basically
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what the New Hampshire State Police were saved for the longest time in smoke now
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with this that the latest search that they did on those houses with the cadaver dogs that and from the bigging
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and they did was well okay now we'll work we're trying to establish a new relationship we got a new relationship a
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new kind of pact with a family mate and it is just this just kind of hearsay what I've heard but you know there's
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speculation you know one that she hit a tree with her car or possibly hit snowbank but the tree that they thought
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she hit it had a bow around it for so long and the first order after they established this new relationship was to
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then talk to the family about removing the bow from the tree and if that's true it's like that's how you want to start
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the new relationship right that oh you know so it's weird is on one sense of the thing you have
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you have with the Delphi murders the family saying look that you know the cops are doing with a cannon we want to
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support them but then you look at a case like Maura Marie where they feel like they're not doing enough work or even
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make it the Brianna Maitland you know obviously he didn't feel like they did enough work because starting a
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foundation for to help other families get private investigators so but but it's good well with with Delphi I mean
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it was incredible that the Indiana State Police even again this year sent the communications officer to attend crime
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con and be a part of that presentation and that all and and the part of the presentation for the Marberry panel this
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year was supposed to be a representative of the New Hampshire State Police and they didn't send them they told them
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they would and then back down on it so right there you see the big difference in the big contrast between two
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investigations and how they're being worked and it I feel like the removing the foe from the tree is almost like
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weak we don't want to we don't want the constant reminder of this bow and of what we may have dropped the ball on or
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you know and we in their defense we did say when we covered a Mar Marie that it was they were working behind the
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eight-ball from the get-go because they were looking at something that really just looked like an abandoned car and
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they happen so many times for me drinks too much and realizes it on the way or wrecks their car or runs in the car
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trouble and just leaves it there and that would be what I would expect myself to assume happened within the first
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couple of hours but again I feel like not too long after that there they were aware that something else probably
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happened and the the bow the bow is just like oh we don't want to be reminded of this this it seems to me
00:29:14
like that investigation and those the agency working it well if they are actually working it they it seems to be
00:29:25
more of a problem for them rather than an investigation that they're pursuing yeah let's go was Tony Aaron is you know
00:29:36
we can't go back and fix their mistakes but at the same time like you were saying the initial get into the car
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initially you're talking about car that there's cars passing so the officers have to be aware of their own safety so
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it's not like they can do a lot nice there at the time clean but the following day that that's where I think
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with a lot of these missing person cases come in where there's no answers at all
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to me if the next day is be all hands on deck and and that I think that's worth some of the department's and that's
00:30:19
dropping the ball but again you can't plan for when a crash is going to happen I went to those what you're missing and
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and what day does that fall on and then the following day how many officers are there and then you can also plan for
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what's going to happen and local crime that day either because if you have a very small department and then you have
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a couple of them this domestic violence calls or whatever or or a bunch of drunk
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drivers that night it can really hinder an investigation which you won't know until you go hey we're we're 15 years
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into this thing and we still don't have any answers so it's easy to look back and I think judge you know but hey it's
00:31:05
tough though because you you would you know that's the hard thing when you meet the family members is that if somebody
00:31:13
stuffed up and maybe did something more 15 years ago and maybe there'd be some answers
00:31:22
well and we were very fortunate and I was very appreciative that we had two members of Liberty Germain liberating
00:31:38
Germans family come over to our table to our booth in and thanked us for continuing to cover the Delphi case now
00:31:48
we covered it shortly after the murders and then continued to talk about it on off-the-record and they they thanked us
00:31:57
for continuing to cover it which really made my heart just you know swell and hurt for them at the same time you know
00:32:07
looking them in the eye talking to them face to face and median the sister yeah Kelsey she's amazing and but you know
00:32:16
what also those now that we're a couple days removed from that it kind of has inspired me to want to cover it again on
00:32:25
the big show and I know we will we're doing this where we're revisiting some of our older cases and I you know what
00:32:35
we didn't plan it this way but covering Amy's case again right before leaving for crime thought was really made for
00:32:43
some very interesting conversations that I had with people on Friday and Saturday
00:32:51
night a lot of people wanted to talk about Amy's case and a lot of people had some you know very interesting things to
00:33:00
say and some very interesting questions about it so that was we didn't we we didn't certainly didn't plan it to be
00:33:06
that way but it just kind of worked out really well but that's the case that people want to talk about and we just
00:33:15
happen to drop it right before we left yeah I want to give a couple shout out to this great and I never get to talk to
00:33:24
them enough I believe jog from brain scratch stop by the the meet up but I never get to talk to him and often and
00:33:33
John from scratch does such a good work it's always nice to see him you know we met
00:33:44
him twice now but I really like to sit down and have dinner with him or something because it's such a fan of his
00:33:52
work and then then I met I I introduced you to can and Lauren their promise show
00:34:02
called paradise after dark paradise after dark podcast and it's about Florida murders
00:34:09
they're from Florida and they were just like we met them Thursday they're just the coolest people in the world
00:34:18
yeah I'm Dan amiracle then I saw you at at breakfast and talked to one day and I
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went all up next leaving so I'm going to go sit with Ken and Lauren and then at the end of the meal I
00:34:32
realized my uh my debit card is missing I can't find my debit card so I thought maybe I left it at the bar and without
00:34:42
flinching they go we got it don't worry we'll cover no big deal and uh and then what happened was I ended up dropping I
00:34:51
wanted to pull out my hotel card key and drop my debit card right by my door and
00:34:59
then the hotel found it and slipped it under the door whatever put down now has gonna say we would do a full
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investigation and has a two-hour fills out an extra well because on Friday night everybody's leaving the meet up
00:35:14
and then it became me a couple people and Aaron from Generation Y and we're still drinking and at this point I was
00:35:28
just doing shot I ended up leaving about and he okay so tell me where you stand on this okay because we haven't
00:35:34
mentioned Bob grass so let's mention Barbara Barbara from truth injustice podcast which is so cool because he's
00:35:42
actually he's been working his butt off you could tell he's been working his butt off - you seem a little tired
00:35:49
he just finished shooting the oxygen documentary he's doing for West Memphis Three right so he tells
00:35:59
me you know hey we're having a drinking contest between me and em right he then comes up to me let's play it's like two
00:36:11
o'clock right and says hey man thanks for doing this meet up it had a lot of fun it's always good to see you and Nick
00:36:20
I'm going to bed see you tomorrow okay see you later he goes to bed I keep drinking for
00:36:31
another two hours so Brett by definition I win the contest right you went to bed Auto dilib
00:36:40
straight yet unless it wasn't like a like we're going to shotgun two beers who can drink them fast right right
00:36:48
right that wasn't the rules with the contest right it was no this was you the speech in three so Lauren the longest
00:36:54
yeah yeah the last man standing wins and Bob clearly was not standing at some point no because he said goodbye he
00:37:03
buddy bit by and then he woke up and yes he woke up and the first thing he did was got a giant Bloody Mary so when I
00:37:13
see him the next day he does Hey look okay a lot of me I'm still drinking and I was like well that's nice and all but
00:37:21
you had seven or nine out yeah after a nine hour break well what he told me was it was a nine
00:37:27
hour nap systems it was a knack and didn't count as an actual sleeping uh so but anyways I I'm convinced that I want
00:37:39
and and look in if he doesn't understand this kind of logic I don't know if I want to watch his documentary I don't I
00:37:46
mean yeah I don't know they didn't channel I don't know that I can trust is a presentation of that anything yeah
00:37:56
mate you know what now so Mike busting who I'm a huge Mike busting fan I got a big poster of them on my wall and he
00:38:06
he's just amazing he's really carrying that truth injustice show on his back and carrying oh he has a lot of slack to
00:38:17
pick up right and Mike wasn't there and I'm starting now that I'm hearing about this contest and Bob's behavior I'm
00:38:25
starting to understand why Mike was not there he he's probably had enough well I
00:38:31
had enough I think God is touching egomaniac is such ego maniac that he could not be in the shadows of Mike all
00:38:43
weekend he's already going to be in the shadows of his wife right right and the flayed David I said when when bob was
00:38:52
leaving I go how long have you and your wife's been married he's a long time ago
00:38:58
I thought you guys were like just recently like engaged and then married like now we've been married for ten
00:39:04
years but that's because he's post all this nice stuff about her all the time you
00:39:10
know and so I thought well there's you know but you know what a nice guy ten years into the marriage and he's still
00:39:16
posting all this nice stuff but she outshines him and then Mike would outshine him and I just think he's too
00:39:22
much of egomaniac too I have that happen so but maybe next year Mike will be there I am joking but do we know do we
00:39:31
have an idea of when the shows coming ounces I'm very eager to watch that I don't know but I told it's going to be a
00:39:39
rocky series right we think yeah I told him to contact us either let's do an interview for the big show or at least
00:39:47
off the record and I mean he's become such good friends with Damian and it was real nice to because not had some strong
00:39:59
words about Damien Echols and wanting to wishing he would be more involved in what Bob said was anything that is asked
00:40:08
of Damian he does and and every chance though that he can create relationships you know he has a
00:40:21
big relationship now at Bob the when it's time to talk about the case he will when it's not time they don't talk about
00:40:30
it say I'm dead away he's really trying to build some kind of existence outside of that because that's the thing he's
00:40:38
known for he knows he's always going to be known for that and so talking with him a lot about how Damian views that
00:40:46
case and and how he's really trying he wants to establish some kind of life outside of that case but is also still
00:40:54
willing to help and then on the other spectrum of things Jason Baldwin is like still in prison
00:41:04
to him they're out and that doesn't matter and he's still in prison and they've done so much stuff but they also
00:41:13
can mentally right yeah to the point where he's you know he's became a lawyer or just want to become a lawyer and
00:41:23
because he's trying to understand as much as they can not just about their own cases but but but this case and what
00:41:31
can he do to help solve this case obviously Jessie Misskelley just doesn't want to have anything to do with anybody
00:41:39
just because you know he's fearful but uh that was interesting and just from that conversation with Bob I said look
00:41:46
we gotta get on the show when it comes out and uh and I'm sure we'll watch it and review it on off the record yeah
00:41:55
yeah I would like to if you know I said no when it came out you know he wants to
00:42:01
come on even just to promote the show beforehand that would be fantastic - but I told him he has to bring Mike Mike has
00:42:11
to talk some yes 9ice well I told him ninety ten ninety Mike ten put and then Bill Thomas I finally met him and he is
00:42:24
Kathy Thomas's over brother you keep it was so great to finally meet him stay the face and he's got a show that will
00:42:32
they're filming though they're doing some more filming in September in October of this year so I wouldn't
00:42:41
anticipate this coming out it is oxygen that is doing it and it's Jim Clemente the the FBI guy that everybody knows
00:42:51
from TV he's involved and it's on the Colonial Parkway murders which was Captain Thomas his younger sister was
00:42:59
was the first double homicide in that in that case and it was very important to me to meet him face to face I I had a
00:43:08
list of people you know I did it I did a Michael Scott you know when Michael Scott was going to say goodbye yet in a
00:43:14
list and he had to check everybody off and I had a list of everybody that I want to make sure that I even if I had
00:43:19
to go way out of my out of my way to see them and speak with them I was going to
00:43:24
and bill was on that list and at the top of that list because when we covered that case and I don't think we mentioned
00:43:34
it on the show I know we've mentioned it on off the record but bill spoke with me for hours
00:43:41
about that case and really heat like a walking encyclopedia of that case and there's there was a very good book
00:43:52
written that was very good that we recommended on the show called a special kind of evil that is is is just covering
00:44:00
that case the Colonial Parkway murders but I told bill I said once you get done filming this you need to write a book
00:44:09
about this case too and because he's just so knowledgeable about it and he's not only that he's been you know after
00:44:19
many years you know he had a very good professional career for many years and now that he is retired from that he
00:44:26
really started focusing in on being a advocate for victims and family members of victims and not only just the
00:44:38
families that that were hurt so badly by the Colonial Parkway murders but then he expanded that too to
00:44:46
all family member vicked UM's and has been involved in a lot of things over the years so I think it'd be really
00:44:54
interesting to see to read a books put together by him on that case and in some of the victims families that he's been
00:45:05
able to help over the years as well would be truly fascinating but his involvement with the filming of this
00:45:14
it's great because there's like filming things in front of him and he keeps there to correct whatever is not right
00:45:23
you know ya didn't say oh no this is this this purse was not on the passenger seat it was in the back seat you know
00:45:32
and he's like he feels he feels almost like the director of it because they'll film stuff and he was like hey wait wait
00:45:41
wait we got to change this and then I'll film it again and so that's really interesting how that's um how that's
00:45:49
working out how that's being filmed long bill and bill had nice so frames yes glasses as well which brings me to
00:45:59
another point is a lot of people going to see these pictures and some of them we have sunglasses on and but I got
00:46:10
tired of answering the question of what how the hell do we have sunglasses on because I'm going I stay down till 6
00:46:17
o'clock in the morning almost every night I'm barely I'm barely coherent and my eyes didn't function at all and it
00:46:26
was just so damn bright in that place it wasn't a good room to to wake up to after a long night of drinking at least
00:46:37
they had the a/c pumping in there the air conditioning pumping real well in there because we've had rooms in the
00:46:44
past that feel nice and comfortable when you get in them but then when they fill
00:46:47
up with people it gets incredibly uncomfortable and I love this ice I was very happy that
00:46:54
well we're still going if cold in here I'm like yeah but I've been in here for two hours and I'm very very comfortable
00:47:01
because they are keeping it cold in here but for me the sunglasses look when I was a kid I grew up reading hit Parader
00:47:09
magazine and and still to this day read Rolling Stone magazine and you know the pictures in there the cool people were
00:47:18
wearing the sunglasses and I'm not saying that I'm cool I'm just letting you know I want to be cool we're trying
00:47:25
to be trying to do yeah and then did you meet billy jensen from he was used to be
00:47:33
with I believe Crimewatch Daly so I did meet I did meet him at all I'm a guy at crime con he's very nice and he's very
00:47:45
funny too yes correct he was cracking me up but I was I mean I knew I knew he I was
00:47:56
unaware of his work is what I should say but yeah he was very nice and extremely
00:48:02
funny he's got a great personality yeah he he's on my favorite murders podcast networks so it's cool to like
00:48:13
because their book just came out and I was cool to hear how people responded to their both him and what the book was
00:48:21
about and and all that stuff so it's why not uh I want I want to do some kind of
00:48:28
something with you were mentioning this earlier I would like to do something with John from brain scratch and he said
00:48:35
he you know he he's way into a - I don't know how we would do that because he's a
00:48:41
he's a that's a TV guy a YouTube guy and we're upon we're podcast guys but he you
00:48:50
know he was on that list of people that I had to see and had to say hello to and
00:48:55
that I tasked myself with and I walked up to him on very early Friday morning before podcast where I even started and
00:49:05
I once I got right front of me cognized me immediately in a sugar pan and I had big smile on my face my phone
00:49:12
did John and said I'm a big fan of both of your shows and more importantly I'm a
00:49:20
big fan of your research and how you present everything and he looked right at me and he said that's incredible
00:49:28
because I'm a big fan of your research as well and I told him I said you know on occasion I you know if I'm looking
00:49:36
into something I'll check to see if there's a brain scratch on it because you know it's always a good it can be a
00:49:44
good starting point and he said you know there's been several cases that I've covered that I've gone to you guys for
00:49:54
for not just look it's less about collecting information and it's more about seeing something or hearing
00:50:03
something by people that you respect their work and it's almost a starting point and so it was neat neat to hear
00:50:13
that he and I have done the same thing using you know a brain scratch in him doing a true Graham garage yeah overall
00:50:23
it's just uh I really think it was the best crime Kong yeah out of all three of them so FAR's had so much fun and to see
00:50:34
like I said to see all the people from crank on one hand come to and and it's so cool too because I had to remind some
00:50:44
of the people there that are just attending the same hey all the shows were here to hang out with you we're
00:50:53
here dress hawk with you ran and and that's so cool when they come up and tell you what the favorite episode is or
00:51:01
you should cover this or you know they would tell you some joke you know it and it's so strange too because I get a lot
00:51:10
of people just coming up looking at me and whispering use a piece of [ __ ] and everybody around is like Jesus that that
00:51:20
guy's really think like I being routed to this guy frown but I yeah he has a lot of funding and yeah I
00:51:32
think they're from from this crime crime will probably be a lot of crossovers something with generation wise more
00:51:41
stuff with crawlspace Frank brains cracks a true crime all the time there's a lot of people who talked about going
00:51:50
hey let's do something in the next year so I think I'll be excited and like you you you coin the phrase true crime
00:51:56
Avengers and everybody that I told that to uh what super excited but I think James Renner said he wanted to be the
00:52:04
double halt and I said would have to take a vote on that because I would I would assume that
00:52:10
bill that uh bill bill Bob Roth would be the incredible Hawks what I have incredible Hawkeye V Bob wraps but
00:52:20
remember incredible Hawk comes from Bruce Banner where you could have you could have
00:52:29
James Renner be Bruce Banner and then you have when he morphs into the hawk he's he's Barbara yeah that would make
00:52:37
it unthinkable herself all right well how about yeah Angela say your vacation this this my kinda
00:52:47
starting to fill up with people and they're all talking so we'll press it in this because the the you're here
00:52:52
everybody else talking you're not you and I at some point so thank you for that and I hope you had a great trip and
00:52:59
get some rest rest up in us I'll see you I'll see you on the radio soon all right
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