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crime [Music] [Music] what's the address of your emergency I'm definitely champion red one goes
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outside of bloodless uh-huh my three-year-old son um we can't find them how long has he been missing
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about an hour yeah are you by water yes do you know which campground you're in it's stone
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reservoir Timber Creek stone reservoir yeah we're Timber Creek hold on we need search and rescue Jessica
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Jessica yeah what's your son's name okay what is he wearing he was wearing cowboy boots a blue hair
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like pajama pants and his handle jacket and he's got yeah you belong here this has been calling to like all down where
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we were camping out and we can't find him at all okay we need you to stay within cell service we have people going
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on on the way thank you the 911 call that you just heard came in at 2:28 p.m. on Friday July 10th 2015
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the caller is Jessica Mitchell she is calling because she cannot find her two-year-old son D or Coons she was
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calling from a campground near lador Idaho you see the day before D or Coons jr. his father mother great-grandfather
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and a family friend traveled 120 miles from Idaho Falls to the Timber Creek Campground in lador the campsite is very
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remote and takes about two and a half hours to drive from where they live in Idaho Falls the day before the evening
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of Thursday July 9th the family packed up their things and got ready to make the drive out to Timber Creek along for
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the camping trip we have two-year-old D or Coons we have his father vernal Coons
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and the mother Jessica Mitchell and her grandfather Bob Walton and his friend Isaac Ren wond yeah the great
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grandfather and the friend are gonna ride together in a truck the couple with their child are gonna ride in a separate
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truck here's some important things to know and we want to do this right here before we move on because this is a
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confusing case with a strange timeline but it is crucial to have a decent understanding of the four adults at the
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campground with little D or and that timeline okay so first vernal Coons little D or
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Coons his father also goes by D or at times I believe this is his middle name but to keep everything nice and tidy
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when we speak of the father we will refer to him as vernal and when we talk about the little two-year-old boy he is
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D or now Dior's parents vernal Coons and Jessica Mitchell are not married in 2015
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they were engaged to be married the old man on the trip is Jessica's grandfather
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so little Dior's great-grandfather his name is Bob Walton and he is elderly and he has some health issues he was on oxy
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24/7 in 2015 he had a lug around an oxygen tank everywhere with him Jessica works for her grandfather as his
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caretaker it's it's unclear if this is a paid position you know paid in cash under the table or if this is just her
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helping him out well based off of interviews I would assume that she's actually getting paid because one of the
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reasons why they took the trip was this is kind of also a celebration of her working for six months where she never
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has stayed at a job that long yeah that was my vibe to that I got that she is being compensated or paid in some manner
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for this work that she's doing but there's no real paper trail of such right the fourth adult on this trip is Isaac
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Wren Juan he is a friend of the Old Manse a friend of Bob's yeah Isaac before the trip has never met vernal
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Jessica or little D or this friend situation has been deemed online as strange or odd Isaac is much younger
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than Bob in fact Isaac is probably closer much closer in age to vernal and Jessica than he would be to Bob Bob and
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Isaac have been friends for about five years leading up to this camping trip they at one point were next-door
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neighbors or neighbors Bob hired Isaac often to do yard work and then they became fishing buddies so let's get into
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this timeline and this has been difficult to put together for reasons that will make sense later but I used
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multiple sources to try to piece this together so this was constructed using statements from the four adults on the
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camping trip and the sheriff from the lead investigative agency after they packed up and left the group went to
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Isaac's house to pick him up the group made the trek and they traveled in two vehicles as the captain mentioned Vernal
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Jessica and D or are in vernal 's black pickup truck Isaac and Bob are in Bob's and I believe this was a Chevy Blazer or
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a Chevy SUV again this is taken from statements from the family and Isaac and these
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statements are not very thorough we do know there was a camper involved as well but I'm not sure who was pulling this
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camper the grandfather was okay it was his he owned it they all arrived Thursday evening first they started
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setting everything up they built a fire and started it started to get dark shortly after they arrived mm-hmm
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the next morning they all seemed to have woke up at different times and it's very
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unclear as to the order in which they woke up well let's start with where they slept the friend is going to sleep in
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the tent the grandfather sleeps in the camp ever it seems like the couple with their
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child's sleep in the Blazer and we have Isaac who says he got up at least once or twice that morning and then went back
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to bed so that adds to the confusion of the order in which they woke up yeah now
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they did have breakfast at some point Vernal and Jessica and D or leave the get in Verna's truck and they drive to
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the door the door is a very small town and it's near where they are camping I think it's like a ten maybe fifteen
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minute drive I think it's seven miles just to get into their campsite like a singular Road now on this trip into town
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as we'll call it they are going to hit up a couple of stops Vernal says they went to get diesel fuel for his truck
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jessica says they go so she could buy some tampons it's unclear what time they exactly left or how long they were gone
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but going off of what Vernal says they returned to the campsite at approximately 1:00 p.m. and while
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they're gone bob is taken around his friend to show him some different fishing sites and
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different fishing holes that he fished in when he was a kid now we have Jessica vernal and D or all back at the campsite
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and it seems like everybody wants to go fishing at this time and Bob and Isaac are back at the campsite as well Jessica
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asked Isaac to show her where her and vernal could catch some fish Isaac walks Jessica to a fishing spot he says he
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thought vernal and Dior were right behind them Isaac shows her the spot and he continues on to another fishing spot
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vernal joins Jessica and now they are fishing casting and looking at the water you know just enjoying themselves this
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is only about a 10 to 15 minute time frame here so very very small window of time right
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vernal says he saw some tadpoles and wanted to show D or the creek so he walked back up to the campsite with
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Jessica Bob is still at the site little D or is nowhere to be seen Jessica asked
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Bob where is the or Bob says I thought he was with you Jessica says no we left him with you
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okay so now panic the parents start looking for their boy calling out his name as a search and then the search
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widens we have Bob who stays he's the one that stays at the campsite while the parents are looking they look for D or
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for some time and then the call is made to 911 we said this is like a seven mile
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to five mile road just to get to the campsite you're in the middle of nowhere mmm you would be freaking out
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yes yeah and so the the call comes in as we said earlier at 2:28 p.m. and it's Jessica
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on the call and you heard that call and she gives their location she gives a description of her son who is missing
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and she says we've been looking for him for about an hour she's told that they're going to send search and rescue
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out to help and assist in locate the boy yeah now one thing that we need to point
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out here that is interesting about this call and this is we've reviewed many 911
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calls but one thing that's kind of stood out for me that at some point the dispatcher asked if her husband if
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Jessica's husband is calling as well and to which she says yes so what's going on
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at this time is we actually have even though they're not they're not married I think
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the dispatchers making an assumption there but at the same time we have both Jessica the mother and vernal the father
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they're both attempting to call 911 yeah now vernal couldn't get signal so he drives about a mile and a half down the
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road to try to get signal and she actually had signal so a little strange to me though I think from the outside
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looking in there's there's a couple things here so one yes I could I could see it being a little strange because
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it's difficult to think that you would leave that area I don't know exactly what jessica is doing at this time we
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know that vernal drove off in his pickup truck right and look the father could have panicked
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and took off without trying to you know he looked at his phone let's just assume
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he looks at his phone there is no signal panics jumps in his truck drives to try
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to get a signal meanwhile his fiance has signal on her phone hmm it could be as something as simple as that but again
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the two calls to me I'd be if I didn't have signal or I'd be asking everybody else does anybody else have signal yeah
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so I think here you could look at it two ways either we have a father who's leaving the area to make the call and
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they're both going to call and this is a very thorough manner of making sure that
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you do get a hold of rescue efforts or you question the movements of why is somebody leaving the general area in
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which you believe this boy you know where you last saw your son and maybe it doesn't matter either way but I believe
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they're able to corroborate his story by cell phone ping technology mm-hmm saying
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that wherever he made the call from was roughly about a mile and a half away from the campsite right so both of them
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are calling from where they say they are calling from or at least there's some evidence to back that up right search
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crews arrive and they begin to look for the toddler they searched until about 4:00 a.m. they don't find him
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then on Saturday July 11th searchers look on horseback ATVs foot and in the water for Dior they
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focus on a two and a half mile radius around the campground one area of concern is a creek this is one of the
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fishing spots right this is about 15 yards away from the campsite the area is searched numerous times Sunday July 12th
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the leme High County Sheriff's Office reports nearly 200 volunteers show up to look for Dior on Monday July 13th the
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ORS parents do a TV interview in this interview they explain what happened the previous Friday afternoon
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now they at this point say they no longer believe that Dior is lost but think that someone may have abducted
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their son and they make a plea for his safe return that evening around 200 people gather in Idaho Falls for a
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candlelight vigil Tuesday and Wednesday July 14th and 15th search efforts continue near the campground dive crews
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focus on the stone reservoir located about a quarter mile from where the family was camping this is because the
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creek near the campsite runs to this stone reservoir yeah Dior's parents remain camped near the site as deputies
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search the creek once again and determined that Dior is not there Friday the 17th the Bonneville County Sheriff's
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dive team is called in to help search the reservoir divers use a sonar robot to assist in foggy waters crews on
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horseback returned to the hills near the campground Saturday the 18th it's Dior's father's birthday he spends
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the day camped just yards away from where his son disappeared and the search efforts continue on Sunday July 19th
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it's now been ten days since Dior was last seen the timber creek campground has been searched dozens of times
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crews have scoured the stone reservoir and Creek investigators release few new details
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and to yours family remains desperate for answers up to this point now this is a statement released from the searchers
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they say that after 10 days up to this point no evidence has been found to suggest where the two-year-old boy may
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be yes so we have this little baby boy what are our options of what possibly could have happened to them so the lead
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investigative agency the Sheriff's Department that'll leme - they state that they are working under three
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possible theories one that it was some type of animal attack so wolves was the main concern yeah
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there were wolves in the area some had suggested maybe a bear but we also eventually this case is difficult in the
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sense that we have a lot of statements from different people that are involved in this case and then later not involved
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we've had a lot of people come in and out of this investigation from 2015 to current day so later on somebody would
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suggest that a bald eagle would be the main threat but it seems like the Sheriff's Department and I'm gonna go
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with them because they know the area better than anybody else right their main concern was a wolves in the area so
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animal attack is one possible theory and their second theory is possible abduction and then the third theory is
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that either a family member or friend was somehow involved in the disappearance of this child yeah this
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this drove me notes because I kept on saying there's three options and then they give you four options drove me nuts
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all time researching this case and then the third thing that drove me nuts was what was the fourth option well no they
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would always say so there'd always say you know the first one is he who was taken by an animal second one was he was
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abducted third one was that it was either accidental or homicide so see what I mean that's true they're all yeah
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with option so I always drove me nuts when there we have three theories like why actually
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have four yeah I don't think I said that clearly I think I went off it went away
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from my paper here you're exactly right the third theory was that either a family member or friend was involved in
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the accidental death or homicide I don't know if it's because of the search efforts that they're ruling out the
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possibility that he just went off and possibly something with the water I know those all those little fishing
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holes were searched extensively and so maybe that's why that theory is not on the table but again when you start
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looking into this case my first thought was okay he walks off and what happens then hmm and then he walks off and
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there's an animal attack and those are two viable options but when I think because of the extensive amount of
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searching they did and then the searching to the water they were able to actually actually rule that out as a
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theory yeah they aren't giving current-day they don't give much weight to the possible animal attack theory
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well that's because there's no evidence there was no item of clothes that closed
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that were left behind there was no blood left behind there was there's no evidence of any kind of attack right
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there general thought is this that if there were some kind of snatch and grab by an animal there would be evidence of
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such and they search such a vast area that that would have turned up something they would like you said piece of
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clothing some blood or something else and I do want to point out this item here as well because I think this is
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extremely important so regarding the missing person's flyer for little D or Coons says missing since July 10th 2015
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missing from lead or Idaho his date of birth was December 30th 2012 so he's about two and a half at the time where
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he's last seen blond hair brown eyes three foot tall about 28 pounds so small little guy and the flyer says Dior
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was wearing a camouflage jacket and blue pajama pants what it does not include is
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in the 911 call Jessica says that he was wearing cowboy boots yeah and the cowboy boots are really
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something that I think are very important because these boots have never been located no the general thought of
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these boots is this and this is from the the searchers and from the Sheriff's Department they simply say these boots
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as described to them by everybody that knew the little boy and knew of these boots wear boots that he loved to wear
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he loved to walk around in them but they were many sizes too big for him you know
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we've all seen this it's very cute when a tiny little kid puts on adult shoes or
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or a teenager shoes or something that's made for something much bigger than the little boy or girl right very cute he
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wore these a lot and they said that it was described that they were so big that he would often come out of the shoes
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when he's just walking his feet would would pop out of the shoes and you'd find these boots lying around whatever
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yeah so one they're probably hard to walk in so he wouldn't get that far right - if if he walked far enough he'd
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probably come out of them three if somebody snatched him or if animals snatched him then he'd probably come out
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of the boots pretty easily mmm no matter where the animal grabbed a mat right and
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their argument to suggest that the animal grab is not likely the biggest argument is there for the boots because
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they're they're saying look yeah you could you could present a case that in this huge area that maybe we missed a
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drop of blood right but we're not going to miss these boots and the thing with the water is it was searched so
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extensively yeah the creek and that reservoir the stone reservoir I've had I've I've seen some statements to also
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suggest that that water is not necessarily that deep so it wouldn't be we're not talking about something that
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would be incredibly difficult to search right so there's no evidence of this boy
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in the water there is no piece of clothing that they're fine they do not find any blood
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and in one report it states the dissent dogs never picked up a scent of this little boy at the campsite bringing into
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play for you that interview that TV interview that we discussed during the search timeline for little Dior here you
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are going to hear his parents discussing how he went missing and what they hope they can find in their search for him
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this is from East Idaho news.com I'm not sure what date is today Friday about 2 to 26 is one I was it to 26 to 36 when I
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called to us to 36 is when she called and I was in the truck hauling down to the road try and get serviced because I
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didn't think one bar would get it so she got very very lucky I was blessed that she was able to get service because I
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didn't I didn't want to try and risk getting halfway through my talking to the 911 and have it cut off so I went
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down to where I knew I can get all service about a half mile down the road we searched for after about 20 minutes
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and in a dead panic not knowing where he was in such a small area and not knowing
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never being there I knew I was in trouble so we decided to call search and rescue and that's when I drove down she
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tried getting a signal out as soon as I got a hold of them they come to they told me that she was on the other line
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with them and they had our location and they were on our way they they were amazing they are amazing and they still
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continue to be Lima High County Sheriff and Sam in search and rescue you could not ask for a better group of people
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volunteers and search and rescue and just everybody you couldn't ask for better people so sincere so concerned
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and they were everybody was so emotionally attached to this as you anybody would be of a two-year-old he's
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pretty small for his age but he moves pretty good and that was our concern he he was right with us I've where it's at
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is I mean I thought it would be perfect to go camp in there because it's in by walls of mountains and there's not
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much space around there that he could go and our biggest concern was the the creek which was neat knee-deep few feet
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wide but he's a little guy they finally yesterday that we were able to put that dressed and Lehigh County
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Sheriff sheriff Dave and the rest of the sheriff's have put out that there is they assured me there is 100% in that
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chance that he is not anywhere in that water around that water they have torn that Creek upside down and in now four
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divers have gone through wet suits along with the helicopter that was the world's
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most advanced search and rescue helicopter I've volunteered out of Montana and those guys were just amazing
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the accuracy they had with the night-vision ability it has and the heat range they can see they were what the
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one guy I can't remember his name I've met so many people so many good people but he was his own safety he was he was
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more or less he was strapped in and he was on the side of that helicopter looking and I he was looking down I
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remember them telling me that they asked a search rescue to go look over because
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there was an orange insect repellent can they think by the bank and they were dead on that's what it was that's how
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accurate these guys are I thought it was it might have been like a part of us they might work or something they said
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go check that out that these guys searched miles is so the mile radius they have is it is a very rocky terrain
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it is very open but it's not the helicopter that used ISM is used to back very deep Montana it is designed for a
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lot worse situations than this and there was not a trace of my son found there still isn't but there's through the
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searches on that's they here say of things has kind of gotten way out of hand the search is so far has been put
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on that has been suspended and that is not entirely sure or true Sheriff Dave of Lima High County I just spoke with
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him on the phone this morning he has got horseback riders and trackers up there right now
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and very very advanced professional I'll be guy I'll be going up with and I've just come down to get any resource I can
00:32:06
get to go back right up back up today what questions you guys have friends family and says what I know keeping me
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together because if we didn't have all of our family the minute I called my mom and she was up there in a matter of
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hours and same with the rest of our family they were just up there those 1s now luckily we I had a few phone calls
00:32:40
is all it took at first and we had just as sheriff Davis sit at a news it was 175 plus people up there in the grid
00:32:48
searches volunteers professionals and anybody I called it there's the service up there is very here say here there
00:32:57
it's camping you know work work trying to hold up the best we can but with we have hope is the thing hope is what
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keeps it going hope is because the search is not over search is not done we will find him even matter what no we
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both did I you said we after 20 minutes of up and down the creek and up and around
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the camp and he wasn't there that's what I got in my pickup truck and drove down
00:33:24
the road trying it of some service especially after screaming his name we have nicknames for him no sound the snow
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boys right he's a he's a goer and a mover but he's not he does not go away from his parents he does not yeah he's
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very very very very unusual sir and we didn't hear people around us we didn't see anybody who we have yeah I know it
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socially it can be a good thing but it cannot that's that's we just don't buy anything
00:33:58
we don't want to twist it so clear up any rumors that you've seen or heard we've won one thing that we want to get
00:34:07
to that what's the most of the biggest rumors that are going around is I mean I have heard everything from the I mean
00:34:14
why you would make a rumor it has to do with a three year oldest if you're not gonna help please don't if it's not
00:34:19
helpful yeah it's just this is a this is a two almost three year old we're talking about please help us but I've
00:34:25
heard everything from I am sure I am a truck driver I've heard everything from my companies won't let me come home off
00:34:32
the road to look for my son I was there the entire time and my employer for hours after my son went missing has been
00:34:38
up there day and night has not slowed down I've not that one bought that one bothered me and then it they just came
00:34:47
they got worse and they got worse and they got worse but there that's a handful of bad with a bunch of good the
00:34:52
amount of support is very overwhelming and it's good I just so many at those store letter said it was one of the
00:35:09
ladies that I had worked at the store said that they saw a gentleman and a younger blond boy matching our
00:35:19
description of our son really filthy buying candy for him and he was just bawling in a black truck that is the
00:35:27
only there's a brawl other my pickup truck as a family we went down to get some get a few things
00:35:33
earlier it was me but it when they claimed it was a six o'clock that that evening and I had we with sort of search
00:35:39
and rescue until what a quarter before yeah we didn't we know we haven't left the camp since want two o'clock that
00:35:46
afternoon so it's just a lot of hearsay and was anybody can't be around you that
00:35:53
we don't know is I come to find I didn't know the area and I didn't know there's
00:35:59
it's very open but you can't see much there's a road that goes up and along the top by we're camped underneath the
00:36:07
reservoir basically right below it and you can go up above the reservoir I didn't even know the
00:36:11
Road was did the I didn't old road was up there and as I traveled up there myself I come to find out I can see
00:36:16
everything going on in that campsite but you can't see out you can't see up you can't see you round and if anybody comes
00:36:22
to the bottom of your campground you can't see they are they could have came in you couldn't never never know it and
00:36:27
with the water was not very it was not a fast running its a creek but it is quite
00:36:32
loud moving through the blogs and things like that so hearing range is not all that far either so you couldn't hear
00:36:38
anybody coming up either so he was just kind of playing he was playing yeah he was he was playing with Grandpa he was
00:36:47
over he's getting ready for a nap I say it was almost by that time it was almost
00:36:51
two and he usually takes his nap um we we were just yeah we decide we're gonna go a little swig explore and he was
00:36:58
gonna be good with Grandpa by the campfire we weren't more than 50 50 yards away in ten minutes
00:37:04
well but the time we I seen him to the point I figured out he was gone and I come back up in the creek and I've
00:37:11
actually seen there was some things down by the little minnows and thighs just love so when I come back up to get him
00:37:17
and I yelled over to Grandpa of where is you know where's little D or he immediately shock he says I thought he
00:37:26
came up to you because it's such a small area that's what a lot of people they don't understand is they just assumed
00:37:30
how could you let your kid at your site this area is pretty well blocked in and you can see you could there's no way you
00:37:37
couldn't not see him in what we thought and in just in a split second your whole
00:37:41
world is upside down hanging vanished there's not a trace found that's the other reason why this has been called on
00:37:49
the news is a suspension because it is not a suspension but there's not a single trace of him this this child
00:37:55
loses stuff he sees two almost three anybody who has a child in that age range knows he leave they leave trails
00:38:00
they lose stuff they she was nothing nothing there's just nothing and that's where
00:38:07
we're starting to move is there's might there's a possibility that he may be with somebody and that's what's giving
00:38:13
us hope that it's it's a bad thing that he will be not with us right now but it also means that there is a good chance
00:38:19
that he is alive and with somebody so we are drying every aspect we can any aspect we can
00:38:26
yes as his father I believe and I think after being up there and a lot of people
00:38:32
agree with me a lot that he isn't no longer up the mountain anymore this searching advanced as they used and was
00:38:42
just very thorough for miles yeah not ever it wasn't a stone left unturned there still isn't and still
00:38:51
work I'm gonna continue to search but being his father also that's where my art my gut tell me but I'm not sure so
00:38:57
that's where I'm asking the public's help anything believe a high county sheriff is who's handling this but
00:39:06
they're not designed for systems quite like this they've got two phone lines and please be patient they're doing the
00:39:13
best they can we all are and we will find him that's what we're not real sure I don't yet again as a father who's very
00:39:31
concerned with the whole family will tell you yes if we can get the whole state of Idaho out there we would love
00:39:37
to but in such a small area that has been combed and combed and combed something may have been missed but I
00:39:44
don't know I've been trying I'm gonna be getting with the leave a high county sheriff of snake births sorry the salmon
00:39:51
snake and rip salmon searchers rescue to see what their thoughts on everything is
00:39:57
and trust me with such a small area 175 people there was nowhere to park nowhere
00:40:03
to walk they were grid searches up from one end that's there's ridges on one side of you
00:40:08
and the other and they're not very far apart and that was all searched all the way down to the bottom all the way the
00:40:13
bubble of above the reservoir the reservoir itself I don't a lot a lot of people know the place the reservoir
00:40:20
itself isn't but maybe a few feet deep you can see if you're up on top you can see the bottom of the center if you're
00:40:24
looking at the middle the reservoir you can see the bottom of it so everything has been 100% thoroughly checked but I
00:40:31
nobody can guarantee me 100% so I'm gonna keep looking well continue to until he's found we don't care how long
00:40:39
it takes we and we think as many people have that have shared the story and continue to share his pictures and
00:40:47
things like that if somebody has him bill eventually somebody will come forward wondering where this child can
00:40:53
cover it with some sort of this that may not be the case but it's it could be so
00:40:58
that's why we're trying to look at this aspect as well yes geez please keep sharing his photo please keep him in
00:41:05
your mind your hearts and your prayers and just keep looking keep your eyes open please social media in general and
00:41:11
public just keep your eyes open and keep sharing this is his blanket he doesn't go anywhere without his blanket his cup
00:41:21
or his monkey and all three of them were left at the campground and very since he
00:41:27
all three has to be with him he will trip over them if he has to but they are going with him and this is the first
00:41:32
time since he's been born pretty much he hasn't been without these things another
00:41:39
reason why we're wondering yes because and that is the main thought we brought him home in from the hospital this is
00:41:44
his this is what comforts him any and all times this is an exact replica of a security blanket for everybody this is
00:41:53
his actual blanket he does not go anywhere without it that's or another could our other concern of why yeah
00:42:04
we're looking for you son and we will find you and we love you more than anything in the world you have a lot of
00:42:11
people who love you and are looking for you buddy we'll find you daddy was fine looking until we get you
00:42:17
a home just if somebody has him please don't hurt him just bring him home safely - no
00:42:32
matter what it breaks belongs even if you have to just leave him out of store where somebody else will see him and
00:42:40
bring him home safely to us I know yeah just drop him off somewhere that's not the case somebody is out so that they
00:42:48
can see him and bring him home if that may not be the case I'm we will search for you and search for you and search
00:42:56
for you until we find you okay so a lot to unpack here with that interview mind you
00:43:02
this is just days after Dior is missing so that opening statement where Vernal says I don't even know what day it is
00:43:12
today mm-hmm let's keep in mind that that seems like an odd statement to me when I
00:43:17
first saw this interview but then I look at the date of the interview and realize
00:43:21
all this is just within hours and days of this boy being missing right there's a good chance he may not know what day
00:43:29
it is and if he's been actively looking for his son this entire time which we know from the other searchers involved
00:43:36
that the parents did remain up at the campsite for for a very long period of time yeah looking for their boy
00:43:44
and I would say that their demeanor seems a little frantic as far as you know he's not waiting for his fiancee to
00:43:55
answer the questions he's jumping right in talking over her and she obviously seems pretty
00:44:05
distraught I mean her tone is much lower and much softer and much more worrisome
00:44:14
but they definitely seem frantic about the situation and so to me that would point to them telling the truth not
00:44:24
knowing what happened to Dior and I agree with you Vernal not only does he you know
00:44:30
interrupt his his fiance from time to time he doesn't fully let the inner viewer finished the question he's so
00:44:39
eager to kind of jump in and offer his words in his thoughts and as you said frantic it seems this is in no way a
00:44:48
scripted statement that they're giving this is very all over the place and vernal is really just saying what pops
00:44:55
into his mind at that very moment now and and they talked about their minds racing for you know days and weeks and
00:45:05
months just constantly trying to figure out this puzzle in your head we walked up to see this little fishing hole we
00:45:15
thought we were clear with grandpa hey you are now watching him right mmm when they come back where's our son I
00:45:26
thought he was with you because you know the grandpa was also known to doze off from time to time and so you're then
00:45:36
wrapping your head you start looking and you're thinking we're gonna find him within minutes and so what's your
00:45:44
thoughts on they say they they looked for their son for about 20 minutes and then called 9-1-1 so that that's a
00:45:53
difficult thing because we have jessica's 9-1-1 call where she very clearly says that they looked for Dior
00:46:00
for about an hour before she called and then we have just days later where Vernal is very clear saying that we
00:46:07
looked for about 20 minutes and then called that's I say it's difficult because it is really tough to track time
00:46:17
if you are in full panic mode right but at on the same on at the same token here
00:46:23
we have a situation now where the two stories there's something that could be significant that is not lining up with
00:46:32
both of their stories yeah but see I wonder if it's a fall back on I call 911 how long have you been looking for your
00:46:40
child if I say 20 minutes do they tell me to hang up the phone and keep looking or do I say we've been looking for an
00:46:48
hour and if I say an hour they're gonna go oh [ __ ] we got to do something and so
00:46:54
that's what I wonder or is it manipulation nine-one-one how long have you been looking Oh 20 minutes
00:47:04
but we'll tell you you an hour to seem like we're so concerned and then when we're interviewed by it about that
00:47:11
situation we're going to say less time to show that we're we're panicking even faster than then we told 9-1-1 right is
00:47:21
it controlling the narrative and you know what's also interesting about this is you don't know that we don't know if
00:47:29
they've had time to change their story because they have right what if what if they're confronted by law enforcement at
00:47:36
some point during the course leading up to this interview and they're told why did you say an hour right on the phone
00:47:43
to nine one one we have grandpaw and somebody you know and the family friends saying it was more like 20 minutes right
00:47:52
you know what I would be very curious to hear is how far along did Vernal get in
00:47:58
his 9-1-1 call because i couldn't find anywhere where they were stating that Vernon's call was released to the public
00:48:05
we know that Jessica's 911 was released to the public I believe within a week right of this case so I would love to
00:48:14
hear his 9-1-1 call as well to to kind of verify what it was that he was able to tell the dispatcher in his call yeah
00:48:23
maybe he told the dispatcher how long you been searching for him 20 minutes you know maybe the story didn't change
00:48:30
and again I think you have to put into context the idea that there are frantic and so now they're doing an interview a
00:48:39
couple days later they don't know what day it is they said 20 minutes mm-hmm is it something that should not even be
00:48:45
looked at as as a evidence that they're not telling the truth the other thing regarding Vernon's 9-1-1
00:48:55
call he says there that he had a bar a signal you know his phone is indicating to him that he has a
00:49:04
single bar of service right and then decides to get into his truck and drive to where he knew he would have service
00:49:13
again later he does say hey we were camping the the service is spotty at best out there so I don't know that
00:49:21
that's really something to really hone in on but it is it is just one of those old by the way kind of things to note
00:49:30
that he he references at the time when he looks at his phone that his phone is indicating he does have some type of
00:49:37
service before he drives away right and I think again put everything into context you're in Walmart walking around
00:49:46
with your kids and you turn around and one of them's gone you will push people out of the way you will act like a
00:49:55
maniac until you see your son or your your child and I think we've all been there
00:50:03
anybody with kids we help you turn around they're gone all no and then you just go into freakout mode and so some
00:50:11
of these reactions and some of their actions I think can be explained away by your and panic mode mm-hmm yeah I had a
00:50:24
situation once and this this is weird and it's the only way I can really relate to this but like you said you you
00:50:32
go into this survival type mode and you're your reactions and your movements might not always be logical to others at
00:50:43
a later point right but I was in a situation once where somebody had a horrible accident in a lower level and I
00:50:50
was the only person there this person was bleeding and was not conscious and so I had to call 911 now this was many
00:51:01
years ago and I can't remember if it was a flip phone or what but for whatever reason I couldn't even make the
00:51:08
emergency call to 911 level right so I had to go up to another level of this building and call 911
00:51:26
tend to the accident victim right and stay on the phone with you it's not humanly possible I have to make a
00:51:33
decision right now being the only person here is it more important that I drop the call and just trust that you are on
00:51:41
your way and you know my location and or do I leave this person alone that may need some kind of assistance now I know
00:51:49
CPR and stuff like that I don't know how much assistance I was really going to be
00:51:54
able to offer but in the moment I felt that it was more important to be with the person silver screaming I'm not a
00:52:01
doctor I'm not a job it was it was stressful nice soft crying I never want to relive that moment again but some
00:52:09
other things here that were brought up in this interview so we have her missing her 9-1-1 call sorry and then we have
00:52:17
the missing Flyers so 9-1-1 call is said that dior was wearing camouflage jacket
00:52:22
blue pajama pants and those cowboy boots which we've already discussed and then also in this interview they bring up a
00:52:30
blanket a cup and a monkey like a stuffed monkey right these were his Dior's prized possessions these were
00:52:37
things that he always brought along with him and these items were left behind all
00:52:43
three of these items were located somewhere at that campsite yeah and a lot of people then start saying that
00:52:50
this is where they start shifting the blame maybe he's lost at this point they don't there they ruled out the water
00:53:00
they're kind of rolling out that he just wandered off they're almost wonder you know ruling out that he was wandered off
00:53:09
and was attacked by an animal pretty quickly in the search and they start going hey we possibly he was abducted
00:53:21
mm-hmm and I think again your brain is frantic and you're searching everywhere and you have
00:53:29
all these people on horseback you have a lot of dogs searching you have you have
00:53:37
a lot of people in this small area looking for your son and they're not finding anything so does your brain go
00:53:45
to you know are they shifting the narrative again by pointing out that he could have been abducted or is the brain
00:53:55
going okay we can't find him we're trying to solve this puzzle in our brain maybe somebody else was up there so it's
00:54:05
very difficult because on one hand you go okay maybe they're shifting the narrative or on the other hand you go
00:54:13
they sound so panicked that they are grabbing at straws to figure out the answer we also have in that interview
00:54:20
where Jessica references that a possible eyewitness may be seeing Dior later with
00:54:27
a man buying candy and as they indicate in the interview this would have been been in like the six o'clock 6 p.m.
00:54:36
timeframe yeah this is kind of strange and I'm gonna jump ahead a little bit and the story but we have the situation
00:54:46
being that they go to town to get gas or because she had her period so it's one or the other right and well I think it
00:54:58
could be both right but it seems like when you hear it from one part of the story it's this and when you hear it
00:55:06
from the other part of this you know when it's coming from the father he's saying we need to get gas when it's
00:55:11
coming from her it's no we you know I had a female emergency right so but they stopped at multiple places when they go
00:55:21
back to interview those people now it takes them a while to go back to interview those people but they don't
00:55:26
remember seeing the mother with the child mm-hmm so then again that leads to the speculation of is this child
00:55:37
even at the campground was even there at all and you claimed that you went to all
00:55:46
these spots and there's no eyewitnesses saying that they saw this child mm-hmm but that is factually incorrect because
00:55:53
we do have a situation here where we have eyewitness days after you know you know the search begins saying hey I saw
00:56:04
this child with a messy man so one was it a child with a messy man black truck there's a lot of black trucks there's
00:56:15
also sightings of a black Rubicon Jeep so is this eyewitness mistaken the Jeep for a truck was this a messy man giving
00:56:30
candy to a kid around six o'clock possibly or was the time wrong and but either way it is an eyewitness that is
00:56:44
claiming they saw this boy in that area which would put him at that campsite a small blonde boy crying right would be
00:56:54
going off of their interview that's the the statement as far as we know so that's tough it's it's really that that
00:57:03
part of the interview might be the weirdest part mm-hmm and I say that because look we now have a situation
00:57:11
where the parents are saying in this very same interview we've now shifted our personal belief that he's not lost
00:57:18
up there that it was not an animal attack these searchers are doing a damn good job and they can't find any trace
00:57:24
of our son right so now we're shifting gears and our beliefs that he was abducted I would love to know how I
00:57:32
would have loved to have been a fly on the wall there and to figure out how this conversation went down when they
00:57:37
were presented with this thought and with this eyewitness account that someone saying hey I saw a guy two drove
00:57:47
up in a black truck with a with a small blonde boy who's crying the guy is buying candy for this
00:57:53
boy and this took place about 6:00 p.m. on the day that this child went missing so roughly three to four hours after
00:58:01
Dior is last seen right but then we have the parents very quickly going here's the problem I have a black truck and we
00:58:11
went to probably that same location mm-hmm and so that is very very difficult because now you either have a
00:58:20
you have this information where you can go oh that's a breadcrumb it follows along with what we now personally
00:58:27
believe could have happened to our son but they dismiss it right but again they're trying to add an ALICE they're
00:58:34
trying to analyze all this stuff with a frantic brain and so it's like are they grabbing at straws too quickly to go no
00:58:43
no no no that's not that that wasn't some shady man that was actually me you know I just got the time wrong that's
00:58:51
where I question it I don't I question is is it in fact that they are grabbing at straws or is it such that they are
00:58:59
trying to put the boy with one of them and one of their locations again was later we have people that can't put the
00:59:07
boy with them and any of the locations right but the mother later says that when they were at one of the stores that
00:59:16
she saw a creepy older man kind of staring blankly at her son which they called little man and again is the Hat
00:59:29
it's one of those things where it's like is she just trying to remember everything that's possible
00:59:36
so she can give you as many pieces of the puzzle for for law enforcement and for the public to to figure this out or
00:59:44
is it shifting the narrative and was there even a creepy man that was staring at her son well and at some point in the
00:59:53
investigation as an investigator you're left with with looking across the table talking to a person that may have been
01:00:01
one of the last people to see little Dior and you're asking mother or the parents at some point when
01:00:06
you've run out of questions this is where you go you go okay now I need you to think really hard and really think
01:00:12
about that day and tell me was there anything anything anyway that was out of the ordinary
01:00:22
seems strange or odd to you about anybody or anything that day you're left with that really kind of dumb open-ended
01:00:32
question right right but but when you can't find any trace of this person that's all you're left with and you have
01:00:38
to ask that question and now you have a situation where you say okay do we have parents that are going okay I'm thinking
01:00:46
really hard oh wait oh I remember this dude he was kind of creepy he was staring down my boy and mmm okay that's
01:00:54
that's a possible lead or is that an opportunity again for the parent to deflect away from themselves
01:01:02
to deflect possible guilt and suspicion away from themselves and on to just another possibility of what could have
01:01:11
happened well the snitch-uation and the poly D and the t-shirt time what look what drives me nuts about all these
01:01:22
scenarios and I don't know how it exactly went down but to me it's like okay we have these parents that say our
01:01:32
child is missing from this spot and to me it needs to be it almost seems like they just went okay we're gonna take
01:01:40
their word for it we're going to search the area and that's all we're gonna do where it's like on some level it's like
01:01:47
you have to then like pull these individuals aside questioning them right away we got cadaver dogs and scent dogs and
01:01:58
in that truck and and the other truck into the camper you see what I'm saying like I think you know I think sometimes
01:02:09
we assume too much we go okay these parents are telling us the truth and we're gonna do all that we can and then
01:02:16
it's it's the days that pass you know like if she was question right away about this would she bring up this
01:02:25
creepy guy that was in the store and so I mean I know that's difficult and you can't go into every situation and go
01:02:34
well what's all the possibilities and we need to explore all those possibilities
01:02:38
right now and not focus on the search but it just seems like I don't know this one this one is very difficult well in
01:02:48
regards to this creepy guy my belief is that this is not information that was presented to the investigators early on
01:02:56
it was presented at a later time and what we do know according to the leme - they say that at some point now mind you
01:03:07
they do specifically say it did take a good deal of time to track down who we think this individual that she saw was
01:03:16
that she's referencing as staring at her boy right and they say look we've we've
01:03:20
tracked this individual down there they are a local we question them we investigated them and we don't believe
01:03:28
that this individual had anything to do with the disappearance one and then on top of that this individual does not
01:03:34
remember seeing the boy they and we got to be clear about that because the sheriff's statement is not that the the
01:03:41
man did not see the boy right the statement is the man does not remember seeing the boy right so then on that
01:03:50
level you go okay well this man did exist so she's not just making up some random person so to me that is trying to
01:03:58
remember everything you can and put out as many pieces of the puzzle out there for people to to be able to find the
01:04:06
answer to but this guy doesn't remember look there's a lot of times you're in the store you're at a restaurant kid
01:04:14
walks by you they do something silly you kind of smile and that's it and if somebody asks you about it two weeks
01:04:20
later you'd be like I don't know what you're talking about but this this person took months to find but so again
01:04:28
I to me the person existed she wasn't just making up this person and out of thin
01:04:35
air so that makes me want to believe her more not me cuz I feel like she could have just she could have saw this guy
01:04:45
and remembered him and she's now just throwing another another variable out there what's interesting about the
01:04:53
sheriff's statement regarding this creepy man is he never once says that the man does not remember seeing Jessica
01:05:03
so it that doesn't mean that he he did say he saw Jessica that day but the share just going off the sheriff's words
01:05:11
is simply that the man doesn't remember seeing the boy well and again that goes back to the people that Jessica said hey
01:05:19
look I ran into this lady at the store she was working there I weren't ran into this other lady she saw me with my son
01:05:26
and the two people that she claims saw her with her son in town when they went to go get gas
01:05:35
claimed that they never saw her with her son [Music] so much more to get to so join us
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tomorrow in the garage make sure you tell a friend and share on social media yes sir and until next time be good be
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kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause] [Music]