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foreign [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] I can see your beautiful face now I can
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hear your beautiful voice I just got my headphones on I've been hanging out too too long this week well I was gonna say
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a very busy weekend so I I we were very lucky I had several of the out-of-state listeners emailed me over the weekend
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that said hey I saw you guys are doing something this weekend obviously I won't be able to attend because I live all the
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way over here I'm hoping to hear yeah I'm hoping to hear about whatever you guys do this weekend on off the Record
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so made me feel good about several things one being that people were interested in the things we're doing off
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the show but also we keep getting lots of praise for this show off the Record which we are very much enjoying so thank
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you for the great feedback what we did this weekend we went to the Ohio History Center and there we gave two
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presentations on the Sam Shepherd case which is one of the the most famous one of the more famous cases from Ohio
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and it's it's an old case it's an unsolved case and that's one thing that a lot of people don't remember is that
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according to the courts here Sam Shepard did not kill his wife or at least was not was once convicted but then the
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conviction thrown out ten years in jail so and F Lee Bailey comes in and gets them out and the event that we
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were a part of we were kind of a small part of the Ohio crime and Corruption event it was the first year that they've
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done such an event and they're hoping to do it again next year we're hoping to be
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once again a part of it and maybe more of the listeners come out we had a great crowd this year and the thing that I
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loved was people were eager to raise their hand and ask questions about the Sam Shepard case and ask us questions
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about True Crime garage and me and you and everything else now we didn't have the setup there to record because the
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thought would be much like we did with the podcast festival with the Brian Shaffer case art discussion there just
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record it you know throw it on here off the record for people out of town and out of state to get to be a part of that
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to listen in on the good discussion that we had well our intentions were to kind of
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cover that and talk about it and go through that here today but but something even more exciting and more
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wonderful happened between that period on Saturday and before we could get in the garage today what could be more
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wonderful an arrest talking an arrest an arrest in a cold case that we covered a
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case that you and I have been uh angry about but excited to see that they finally made an arrest in this case and
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we're talking about April Tinsley for those of you have not heard the news yeah I was getting my bike fixed
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yesterday and I got a text message from my good friend Stephanie and Stephanie CrossFit I'll call her but
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she's from Indianapolis and she sent me a screenshot from uh her mom actually posted that you know there's been a
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break in this case so you know that's what's so awesome is whether it's a a friend or through social media
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anytime there's a break or anytime there's some immediate information that I need True Crime World wise
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I get it from the listeners well in a conversation that you and I have had many times about throwing things
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throwing good positive things out into the universe out into the stratosphere and sometimes good positive things come
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of that energy that we put out from time to time and maybe us covering the case had something to do with it one thing
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that was interesting to me too which just strange coincidence is after one of our presentations on Sam
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Shepard we were chatting with people in the audience afterward and one one listener asked me hey
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do you have any updates on the April Tinsley case or do you expect any updates soon
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and we got to talking about the case for a while turns out she was from or is from I should say Northwest Ohio so this
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is a place a case that's close to her Fort Wayne Indiana not being far from I'm guessing where she lives but I told
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her I said look there's no updates as far as I know and but my suspicion is this I said with what's going on and
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with this case in particular because there was so much DNA collected in this case I told her I said I actually expect
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this thing to be solved within the next two to three years well yeah what's crazy is
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I kind of overheard this conversation and I hear you say I expect this to be solved and I kind of thought that's
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that's interesting that this kind of pretty bold statement and then when I got the text message the following day I
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thought oh [ __ ] how did he know well it was just speculation on my part and here's the thought okay so we saw
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this with the Golden State killer we saw this with other cases throughout the United States and we saw it yesterday
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with the arrest of John D Miller uh who is suspected of having killed April Tinsley and we'll go through that and
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kind of update you on what we know about the arrest uh in just a minute but my thought my speculation is this because
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what we're seeing seeing with the new way that they're using DNA and using tools to kind of find DNA uh talking
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mainly about the genealogy sites some of them being public some of them being private but some of these are getting
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used and utilized in a way that they might not be able to track down the suspect or the person that left the DNA
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at the scene but they're tracking down relatives of this person and then honing in on the relatives and figuring out
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sifting through information and finding who left that DNA at the scene and I think that this is a incredible because
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I think we are going to be living in the Golden Age of solving cold cases yeah and what I mean by that I think it's
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going to be rapid fire it's going to be like once a month so bam you're going to
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hear about some old case that we thought may never get solved something 20 years
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25 30 years old that police have been working on and guess what boom they're going to get an arrest and if somebody
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asks me like uh you know top five cases that I'd like to have solved April Tinsley's case is definitely up there
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yes yes certainly so to kind of go quickly through that case for those of you that aren't familiar we did cover
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this uh fairly extensively in episode seven we were very young in the garage was apologize for uh
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our lack of knowing what the hell we're doing it was episode 7 of ours and this was a
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case that on April 4th 1988 the Indiana State Police and the local DeKalb the DeKalb County Sheriff's Department
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they were called in to a young girl's body that was found in a ditch there okay this was off of County Road 68.
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now the way that this went down was this poor girl April Tinsley she was abducted
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near her home just days earlier and there were there were eyewitness reports of who may have taken her and if I
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recall correctly I think that they thought maybe some kind of van was used in this abduction and yeah there was
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definitely a creeper van in the story and we had talked often about um could it have been a utility worker
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or some kind of delivery route person that had picked her up so she was abducted on April 1st 1988 and her body
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was found April 4th 1988 and it was her parents that had reported her missing around 3 P.M on April 1st so the police
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recover her body on the fourth and they also found what they believed to be her shoe uh one of her shoes they found this
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about 1 000 feet west of where they found her body yeah it matches the shoe that she was that was still on her foot
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at the time now the case doesn't stop there it gets more strange as this goes on because on
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May 21st 1990 police were called to a barn this was on Schwartz Road in Indiana route 37. there there was they
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found like writing that appeared to show the suspected killer taking credit for killing April Tinsley and a portion of
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the note said I kill eight-year-old April M Tinsley did you find her other shoe hahaha I will kill again yeah and
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then in 2004 police were sent to three different locations and at these locations they recovered used condoms at
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each location now along with the condoms police also found notes this again taunting the police and taunting the
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community that this individual is taking credit for abducting raping and killing
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April Tinsley well we have the DNA profile of the individual right at some point they took the DNA that they had
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and they made like a computer composite sketch yeah they've done and this is interesting because we've seen
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this done in other cases and what they did here was this this loser this scumbag decides to talk the [ __ ] taunt
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the police in the uh Community years after the murders well those used condoms that they found in those three
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different locations they matched DNA evidence that was collected from articles of clothing that April Tinsley
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was wearing when she was found dead in that ditch okay so they knew that these taunts were coming from the killer the
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killer in this person is one in the same this is a unique case Captain because we're talking about because of these two
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separate incidences the the finding of the body and then later the taunting we have a lot of not to be gross but we
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have a lot of DNA evidence in this particular situation and that's why a lot of evidence well and I I hated that
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I said that to the the lady that I spoke with on Sat Saturday but I said to him I
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said to her I said that's why I think this one is is going to be one of the first ones you know one of one that
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could be solved very soon is because we know that there was DNA collected and we
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know that they have enough of a sample that they probably have good good samples to still test and and find the
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the donor of that DNA to still to this day right and it was like two months ago from from what I read now mind you this
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is like breaking breaking news this happened at what you text me I think at one o'clock yesterday one in the
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afternoon and it was so weird because um we you and I had something else going on that we won't talk about here uh but
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I I assumed you were texting me regarding that matter and uh I I looked at my text and you had sent there was a
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picture in there stating update and man I get freaking excited when I see that because I was like [ __ ] this is
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something the captains found something good and he's he's updating me something good is definitely Stephanie did but
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yeah yeah however however it gets to me thank you Stephanie I don't care how it gets to me as long as it gets to me it
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brightened my day man I was I was out working hard yesterday and it was I wanted to have like a celebratory drink
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and cigar after that I did that's how good I felt about this case and well and it's also you know at weekend and week
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out and then like normally you know uh you know a little behind the scenes and we record normally you know twice a week
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together we hang out in the garage and then we don't talk a lot on the phone because our
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conversations tend to lead towards to uh cases and different stuff in in True Crime world and so it's difficult to
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talk about these cases and these people going missing and cases not being solved
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or even the cases that were saw because you have a victim that lost their life it gets dark
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and if you're around it all the time or in this case this last week we gotta throw on an extra day other than
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recording and other than the research We Gotta Throw on an extra day to talk about a case that we haven't talked
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about in a couple years right and so to have all that Darkness to have these things like the Golden State killer
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finally be you know that's a case that I just got into my friend was super into it and Morgan was super into it would
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sit there and drink beers by his fire and he'd tell me all about the Golden State killer and then all of a sudden
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boom shabam solved and then in this case too you know we have you know it was a nice day to meet fans
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and to to you know to have somebody travel a couple hours to to meet you that's awesome and that's uplifting but
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it's another day of talking about a murder that is technically not solved and then the next day shabam
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we get a we get another um it's almost like a ray of light if that makes any sense and it feels in a
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way like a weight has been lifted doesn't it because like we have this just piles of cases and cases and cases
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and cases that we've covered and now we get to take one off of off of that pile and put it elsewhere we can put we need
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to start like a solved file so they'll be like here you go put these ones over here because we've had the the uh we'll
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solved since we started right so the missing Welch girls was one that has been recently there was an arrest
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um and that one looks like it's solved now to be clear though regarding this individual John D Miller this is the
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individual that they have arrested and believed is the killer of April Tinsley the way that this works is they use like
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genealogy and stuff like that to kind of hone in on this individual and they actually locked in on more than just him
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it was him in at least one other relative now this is information that's less than 24 hours old so let's keep
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that in mind the newspapers could have it wrong but from my understanding what's going on with this case as they
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arrested John D Miller on a probable cause warrant and what that means we've talked about this before but from my
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understanding Captain what that means is we're going we don't have a warrant from
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maybe the prosecutor's office but we have enough in-house evidence against somebody that we're going to go arrest
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them on probable cause because you have to do these probable cause warrants on occasion they're not often but you do it
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when you think somebody is so dangerous we need to get them off of the streets immediately we can't wait to take this
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to a judge and get an official deal here so what that means is there's been no indictment by a grand jury at this point
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at some point a grand jury will have to indict this guy and that's when they will have the quote-unquote official
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charges against John D Miller now what they did was they honed in on this dude and they were able to eliminate the
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other person that he's related to somebody that has similar DNA as him right because what they did was they
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followed this dude around and when he wasn't uh so aware they collected some items from his trash okay they take
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these items they test these items and they find that his DNA the DNA that he left on items discarded from his home
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match the DNA that they found on April Tinsley's underwear right okay sick so son of a [ __ ] they were able to make
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this arrest and I believe the arrest was yesterday and today they will walk him into court
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and try to to file official charges now from what I heard and what I've been able to find online is not only did they
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arrest this dude but when they approached him and they said hey look we need to talk
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to you do you know why we would want to talk to you Miller reportedly said April Tinsley
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so then they take him to Police Headquarters they interview him and at first he's not saying much he's not
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giving anything up eventually he decides to explain what happened to April Tinsley and allegedly he confessed to
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abducting and murdering her now he says that he took her from uh the street near
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her home and he took her back to his Fort Wayne mobile home okay now we know that she was she was
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dumped closer to that area closer to his home than to her home he says there at his home he sexually assaulted her and
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then he choked her to death he he said that he killed her just so she wouldn't report him to police right uh
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I'm unclear if the two would have known each other what what it sounds to me like Captain and one reason my why this
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may have gone unsolved for so long is I think this was I think it was likely a very random
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abduction right I think this sikka was cruising the streets I think he had it in his mind that he might abduct
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somebody and sexually assault them and I think their paths just happened to cross
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and I think he saw a young small victim that he could easily take and I think that's what he did I think he jumped out
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of his vehicle I don't I couldn't get any information on what kind of vehicle he may have had at the time to confirm
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if the eyewitness saw the right and reported the right vehicle because we did have some vehicle information that
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we went through when we covered the case but he said that he on the morning of April 2nd
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now again this is allegedly he said that he drove he drove and dumped her body where it
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was later found now on the next day by the next day he had seen and heard no news reports about anybody you know
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about the case or about anybody finding the body so he decided he was going to drive back by it well
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now we have an idea of what was going on with the shoe because remember we said there was one shoe found on her person
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the other one was found about a thousand feet away well that was because after he dumped her body he realized
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that one of the shoes either had fallen off or for some reason was still in his car
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so when he drove back by the body sometimes these dudes can't stop themselves they drive back by and just
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to see if it's still there and that's likely what he did and he said that when he was driving by the
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body he tossed the shoe out the window at some point well right because after the and you know the crime
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this is going to weigh on this person heavily you know that's why they're going to drive by and see if there's a
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body or not and that's also probably why when they please come up to him after all these years after the Golden State
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killer was caught right it's probably Weighing on his head like ah they have they have me they just have to find me
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right they have basically they have uh you know this footprint not a footprint but I mean DNA but it's almost like this
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like key like we we have the key we just need to find the other matching key and
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then they did so and I think he kind of knew it and um you know and I I don't want to applaud
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him for confessing but that also makes the process a little bit easier you know I mean he could obviously try
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to fight things but uh I think after all this time um you know and and he's 59 now
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so he would have been well it's 30 years ago approximately right right so he had
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been 30 um he would have been 29 ish um that's garage math for you so he would have been 29 at the time it
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it sounds to me like he was living alone at the time and it also according to the
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reports I found when he was arrested this weekend he was living alone in a mobile home I'm unclear if it's the same
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mobile home but the general description of the two sounds like he might have been living in the same mobile home or
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at least the same mobile home park all of these years for 30 years and one thing we speculated when we covered the
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case was that it appeared that this individual had some kind of location that he could take the victim to and
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keep her there for some portion of time and we hit question does that mean that this individual lives alone or because
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it was a I'm going off a memory here man but I think it was a holiday weekend that
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weekend and we suspected maybe whoever this whoever this perpetrator was maybe the people that he lived with
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were going to be out of town because of the holiday that weekend or was in town because of of the holiday and it turns
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out in fact he was living alone at the time you find this weird like when they arrested um
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D'Angelo Golden State killer when you see a image of him he just like just looks like a grandpa
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right and then sometimes like with this individual he looks like a monster John D Miller he they he just looks like a
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goal or I mean he just looks like if you were walking down the street and see he
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has a turtle suit on and his uh um do you know what a turtle suit is a turtle suit that's the shell so he
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doesn't get shot no no no no this is called a turtle suit they put um he must have did a hunger Hunger Strike
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or he must uh threatened suicide or they might have thought that there was a possibility of suicide and he's stripped
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down naked and they put a turtle suit on him for his own safety so he doesn't harm himself yeah so I'm guessing this
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is just pure speculation but I'm guessing that they pull him in and they um questioned him he probably confessed
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um might have seemed like he was you know um remorseful remorseful maybe a little
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bit and then maybe he was maybe he was I'm just saying that there's there's some reason that they put this Turtle
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suit on him it could be protocol it could be protocol four no I don't think this is a murder charge
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they may have certain protocol for the first 24 48 Hours of a of a murder charge yeah yeah you might be right on
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that and here's the thing what's interesting is today when they March into court and actually they they may
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have already done so would be my guess because usually here in Columbus where well I should say Franklin County it
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seems like when these people are arrested over the weekend and then they have to go to court face arraignment or
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whatever it is on that Monday it seems to me like here in Franklin County that usually goes down between like 9 A.M and
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by like 1 p.m they're kind of done with that so I don't know if they've already arraigned this guy by now uh but what
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I've been told is that what they're marching into court with not only they're suspect in in handcuffs which
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bravo bravo for that but they're also marching into court with the DNA evidence I'm sure some other evidence
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events as well and that alleged confession that he gave to police so I think this thing's going to very quickly
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turn from these and forgive me if I got this wrong but like I said we're reporting on stuff that's happened
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24 hours ago and so yeah I won't even call it reporting we're just talking passing well we're passing this along
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what we've what we've been able to find and what we've heard is that my understanding I think this probable
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cause charges are very quickly uh switched to official charges now one thing that we speculated when we
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talked about this case uh man if it was our seventh episode I gotta believe that
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would have been late 2015 that we would have released yeah it's really confusing
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uh you know when talking to listeners because I think we recorded about six episodes or so that we kind of set on
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um yeah where we we recorded them and then there was a break before we decided to start recording again and and then
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releasing them to the public because when we started it really was just like like we've said a million times let's
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just see if we can do it um I don't even think we I mean maybe we Loosely planned on
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releasing them but um we kind of sat on it for a while so yeah and I know that we released some
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episodes before uh the new year just because we did that um I think we did a New Year's Eve show
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[Music] um and I don't know where April Tinsley Falls if it was ju one of the later ones
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of 2015 or maybe even the first case we covered of 2016. but this picture looks like um
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looks like the house or the or the the trailer so is that single wide I don't know and I
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couldn't tell you anything about it's a lot of things it's it's some it's like somewhat kept up and somewhat
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dilapidated right but that's I mean it's kind of scary looking yeah and well and
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he's scary looking and I don't know if it's just because we know and have a good idea of what he did and then what
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he hid from all these years this the weird thing with this case to me was always the the taunting of the community
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and it almost seemed like you know he couldn't stop himself from taunting the community and taunting the police when
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he might have gotten away I I actually looking back on it now he wouldn't have gotten away because there was DNA right
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right but at the original crime scene what I wonder is what his record looks like after you know after 88 from 88 to
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now what what kind of trouble did he get in or did he not get into any trouble yeah
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is this a one and done thing because we are you know we've often argued um with like the Amy mahalovic case is
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that a one and done thing and is that even something that we should have on our radar I mean when you think of uh
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like the show mind Hunter and you talk about profiling should we have this one and done perpetrator
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mentality on our list of possibilities I think so and I tell you why because I think sometimes the
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the murder is a reaction to another crime that has been committed and that sometimes that individual may have woke
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up that morning and the initial crime is premeditated that there's some there's some thought that hey today I might go
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out and commit this crime and then they do and then the reaction to that is murdering the individual that could tell
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on you and I think we see that more often with child killings because it's such a heinous crime to
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abduct and sexually assault or rape a child right that I think that the reaction is they freak out afterwards
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freak out well and if we're to believe Jacob wetterling's Killer that's kind of what
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he said he he went into kind of instant panic and he killed Jacob wetterling and
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it sounds to me like this could be a similar situation where this guy he's he's a sick bastard and he can't control
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himself enough that he's not who knows if he was even looking for a child that day but for whatever reason this was the
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victim that he took that and let's not be let's not mince words here this is the victim he selected right because he
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at some point he chose to pull this poor girl into his van and then when he couldn't react when he couldn't handle
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what he chose to do he murdered this little girl and I and then on top of that you try to taunt the
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P you know it's just it's um throwing salt on the wound you know well and we did speculate
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that this individual could be a one-off killer because that's we wondered why he
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would be uh go unnoticed and unapprehended for so long especially with leaving so much evidence and DNA
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evidence now the thing here is you almost have to wonder those on those two occasions it's actually Four occasions
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but it was only two uh dates okay so so he leaves incriminating taunting evidence at four different
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sites but it's responded to by law enforcement on two different dates so when you think about it you have to
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wonder was that taunting of the police was the going and doing those despicable acts and leaving disgusting things at
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four different locations was that some way of him controlling himself stopping himself from doing this again was it was
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it was that good enough for him to get him by a little bit longer did he did he kill April and did he freak out about
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killing April and and and realize look these crimes that I did commit before the murder
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I wouldn't mind necessarily doing that again but look it led to murder and I can't do that again so is this some if
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is this some more another way for him to infringe his pleasure and things that he
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likes and things that he wants on society and on that Community without getting himself into further trouble
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because you gotta wonder if they got this dude's DNA you got to wonder they how much time are
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they spending looking through other stuff to see if he's connected to anything else yeah um do you think he'd
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be forthcoming if he was if he was uh it didn't sound like he was super eager to
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say what he did to April or the details of the crime but it sounds like he gave them plenty of it eventually right
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it's funny because this uh this initial sketch looks a lot more like him sorry I'm
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no you're fine I think the thing too is like so it seems like uh I will kill again on the barn
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and looks like in the letter he says something about killing again yeah yeah and I I wonder if this is a one-off
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right I wonder I wonder if it's like okay he couldn't control his urges to to molest her
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and then that led to killing her and maybe the whole I'm gonna do it again maybe there was a
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part of him that wanted to get caught and almost like you know I'm a monster for whatever reason and I'm gonna do
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this again and maybe on some maybe subconsciously through that he's taunting the police
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but not really taunting but also like almost like trying to help them out a little bit where he he didn't have the
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balls to go in there and turn himself in but maybe he was trying to be like hey look I'm I'm a monster I'm going to do
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this again it's like almost killing yourself like wanting to commit suicide but not being able to go through with it
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in some or something like some way and and that's weird because when I was speaking with and I wish I remembered
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this lady's name and I hate to just keep saying this lady but we met several people that day and in my defense she
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made enough Jackson she may not have told me her name but anyway um Paula Abdul one thing I said to her was
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just that I said you know that sometimes and this has been you know this firsthand but this has also been my
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experience from covering these cases you've learned this firsthand from talking to an individual very close to a
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case that had something to actually do with the case and that will Fest took it that will face charges yeah we'll we'll
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spend some time Behind Bars eventually but one day we'll be able to talk about that the thing is
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you know firsthand and I know this from doing this long enough that sometimes these sick bastards sometimes they want
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to tell somebody what they've done because the guilt is eating and eating and eating away at them and I told the
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lady when we talked about it I said look one thing that's weird about this case with the taunting of the police and the
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community you almost wonder did this individual have to felt like they had to tell somebody and this was as close as
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they could get to doing it by leaving notes and disgusting items at these different locations let me say something
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about John D Miller you the D is for douchebag you use a piece of [ __ ] but for whatever reason and I
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don't know why this is or how this came to be you raped a child you murdered a child
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and you're gonna get everything that's coming to you in jail and that's just how it's always been so
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prepare for that and I'm looking forward to the news that's going to come out with this thing maybe this week maybe
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it's a month from now I don't know but I'm looking forward to seeing where and what kind of sentence John D Miller will
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