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let's stay here let's stay here I'm ready don't stay here let stay here Saturday July 6th
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2019 25-year-old Chase engleberg and his 20-year-old wife Bailey lived in Morra Wyoming but they had traveled to visit
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Bailey's Family in Garing Nebraska for the 4th of July holiday with them was their newborn son
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Banks the family of three stayed with Bailey's grandparents in the 700 block of O Street and
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Garing on Saturday chance played golf with Bailey's father and brother the group drank a bunch of beers and had a
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great time Bailey drove to the course to join them this is because when chance called
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her after the round of golf he was in a great mood by the time she arrived the mood
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had changed apparently there had been some kind of argument and now chance was ready to go home to Mor Croft
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Wyoming fast forward to less than 24 hours later later at 11:00 a.m. the next morning Bailey called the Garing police
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department and reported Chance missing she told the officer that she had last seen her husband at 7:30 p.m.
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that Saturday evening when chance walked away from their car that was parked in the
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driveway of Bailey's grandparents home and he never came back this is true crime garage and this
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is the missing person's case of chance [Music] Engelberg let's stay here's stay here
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I'm Bailey reported her husband Chance missing on Sunday morning at 11 a.m. this is after she spoke to Chance's
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parents and his friends no one had seen or heard from chance no no one had any idea where he might be and of course
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chance was not answering calls or responding to text when biley spoke with the Garing PD she said the police were
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not super helpful at first they thought maybe chance was drunk and had just walked off maybe he was upset with her
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or her family is it possible that he just needed a little time and would return when he cooled off now we have to
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explain an argument that seems to have taken place at some point during the golf trip after the golf trip sounds to
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me Captain like everybody's still having a good time what a great day we're golfing it's a Saturday having some
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beers after a round of golf we sit down we have a couple more beers and through conversation there's some kind of
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argument that takes place between chance and a member or members of Bailey's Family this is after he's already spoke
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to his wife and she says I'm picking him up because he says he was in a good mood
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and we had other plans that afternoon right when she arrives the mood had changed chance is mad Bailey says she
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doesn't really know exactly what's going on at that time but they get in the car
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and he's saying I want to go home and he doesn't mean I want to go home to your grandparents house where we're staying
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for the weekend I want to go home to our home in Wyoming by the time they arrive
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at the grandparents home chance is reminding her hey I want to go home I want to go to your family's house Bailey
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says that she last Saw chance around 7:30 p.m. when he is walking away from their parked car that is in the driveway
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of her grandparents home so that was Saturday and we'll continue to flesh out this timeline as we go through the case
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but as said Bailey reports Chance missing at 11: a.m. on Sunday morning the police seem to agree that there's a
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possibility he's just upset and he needs a little bit of time and that he will show up he'll return to them at some
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point but when chance does not Surface by Monday his family was freaking out and so they called the police station
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begging them to search for chance the police took action and began to mobilize search Crews set up an emergency
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management mobile command unit at the YMCA Trails West camp in Scott Bluff Nebraska Searchers were to be on the
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lookout for the missing man described as follows Caucasian about 5'9 in tall with
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a medium build he has sunlighten brown hair a mustache and goatee and on the day of his disappearance he was wearing
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a short sleeved Wrangler shirt Wrangler jeans Roper boots but some Reports say he may have been wearing sneakers and a
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black and white trucker ball cap that day Garing police captain Jason Rogers confirmed to the star Herald that
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authorities were actively searching along the North Plat River and railroad property and the paper reported that the
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Scots Bluff fire department dive team members were spotted searching along the North Plat River by mid-afternoon law
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enforcement and emergency Personnel had gathered near the North Plat River Bridge they walked the entire area
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between the YMCA Camp and the bridge this was no longer in Garing but in the Terry Town neighborhood of Scots Bluff
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about an hour's walk north of the small town where chance had last been seen by his wife now why are they looking there
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the answer is they had found digital evidence that chance might be in this location well this is because law
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enforcement asked local businesses to turn in any surveillance tape that might have an individual on it that could be
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chance yeah it's it's actually a little more broad than that what they're asking
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and this is something that we've seen in pretty common in most of these missing persons cases where they are asking for
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property owners to search their properties see if they can find anything that is out of the norm but also turn in
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any surveillance camera footage that you have let us review it and let us see if
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we see anything that may be important to our missing person's case and footage of
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chance showed up in Northwest Garing and Southwest Scots Bluff so let's back up here for just a second captain when
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chance left Bailey's grandparents home he got out of his and Bailey's car again this is at the 700 block of O Street and
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started walking now no one saw him leave no one really knew what direction he was
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walking or where he was going for that matter but these surveillance videos on some local establishments showed him
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walking northbound found on 10th Street a major North South Road in Garing at approximately 7:40 p.m. on Saturday at
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7:51 p.m. he was seen at the intersection of Martha Road in 10th Street this is 1.5 miles from o street
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from where he left Captain Rogers confirmed to the Star Herald that chance was spotted on surveillance video
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walking past two businesses in Garing and an apartment in Terrytown a part of Scott Bluff which ab buts Garing in the
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northwest corner Rogers also confirmed that chance was walking Northbound on 10th Street in Garing and turned West
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onto Martha Road into ter town the last video shows him walking in the area of the intersection of Terry Boulevard and
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stable Club Road in Terrytown now this is interesting because it doesn't make sense to walk
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all the way up 10 to Martha Road and then turn left to get to stable Club Road 10th intersects with
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stable Club Road South of Martha road so either chance wasn't familiar with this
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area or he was walking without really having any particular destination he's just kind of roaming I guess a couple
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things those is Bailey's statements have been a little conflicting at one point she says that she saw chance walk away
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from their truck heading north and then other times she said that she hadn't seen him leave because she was inside uh
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trying to pack up some things and with their child stable Club Road continues in a northwesterly direction through a
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residential area and then crosses five Rocks Road where upon it turns into Al Road and proceeds into a somewhat
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desolate area this is along the North Plat River parallel to the railroad tracks
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just on the Northern side of Scots Bluff National Monument now to be clear this is not an area covered by dense Woods we
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are talking about the plains here just miles and miles of flat land with few trees and many lakes and ponds an
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overhead view of the area looks like a patchwork quilt with all the squares of farm and pasture land punctuated by the
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Scots Bluff Monument area which resembles gray rock with very little growth in other words it would be very
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difficult it would be hard for someone to disappear in this area as it is wide open spaces but we would later learn
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that search parties did search this area and of course had no luck finding chance
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yeah they searched them with search parties but also cadav dogs and scent dogs yes by 4 days out the search for
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chance was quite massive we have 16 agencies that were involved in the search efforts helicopters provided air
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support to more than 50 ground Searchers a drone was used to image the area from
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the air tracking dogs were brought in I'm not quite sure what if any of the results were regarding the dogs the
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water to the Garing Central Canal was cut off so search crews could get a better look at its depths the Drone
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operator flew has drone the length of the canal starting at five Rocks Road and following it to the river kadab dogs
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as the captain said also searched the canal between stable Club Road and Woodley Park Road Terry's Lake which
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chance would have had to have walked by was also among the area searched with the kadaver dogs and searches of the
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North Plat River were done by the fire department using watercraft to examine the surface but from my understanding
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Captain the depths of the river were not searched yeah so a couple things that make this even more difficult is he's
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last seen by his wife at around 700 p.m. then we have some surveillance footage from a local business that sees him
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around 9 and that's his last known whereabout but that's also about the time that his cell phone is seems to not
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be working yes and we do have some cell phone data to discuss here the police confirmed that the Nebraska state patrol
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was consulted to try to obtain chances phones tracking information and what they learned dictated what would be the
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search area right it was originally reported that Chance's phone last pinged in the vicinity of alroad just south of
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the western travel terminal truck stop and convenience store this is a busy truck stop but it's not on the
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interstate I80 it's about an hour away so again a busy truck stop but not directly on the interstate now when this
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information came out everyone started to think well maybe chance hitched a ride at the truck stop and got out of Dodge
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but no video footage was found of him at the truck stop right and police began to
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suspect that he was never there at all then people focused on the facin of Al road which was where they said his phone
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last pinged this is approximately of course Al road is a desolate Road along the banks of the North Plat
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River and the continuation of stable Club Road which makes sense because we already talked about the direction that
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we know he was walking this is on the western side of Five Forks Road alroad follows the River West and then crosses
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the river in a sort of dam this is where Al Road ends but that information would
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change because eventually Garing Police Department said that in actuality the cell phone data was very
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inexact they did not have a specific location for the last ping rather they only had a very general area an arc as
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the police put it in which the phone ping could have originated the ark was fairly large two miles long covering an
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area encompassing Scots Bluff National Monument property in Garing all the way to West 25th Street in Scott Bluff this
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is according to the police and they went on to say quote because of cell phone technology this is according to police
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and they went on to say quote because of cell phone technology the information did not greatly narrow down the area
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chance may have last used his cell phone rather the phone had been used in an area 2 to 3 miles south to Southeast
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toward Garing and toward tering toown well again the events of the day that he went missing his wife sees him walk away
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about 700 p.m. he's seen again on surveillance around 9 but there was a pretty severe storm that night so I
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think that's also what led them we know he was roughly in this area by this water well at that point that River
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would have been pretty running pretty high and pretty rough yes and this cell phone
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information evidence if you will is quite confusing because we're told that his phone pinged off of a Tower located
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near Riverview Golf Course Northwest of Scots Bluff this is around 1 p.m. on Saturday but we should note here that
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the police have since backed off of this time they now seem to believe that the phone was shut off or turned off itself
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shortly after his last text communication which was around 9:15 p.m. the last time Chance's phone was used
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had been shortly after 9900 p.m. so what was chance doing since he left his in-law's house at 7:30 p.m. well it
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makes you wonder too because this is not this is not Chance's Hometown this is his wife's
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Hometown he's heading north we we know that the evidence kind of points towards that he had some communication
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with his friends and family and he told them he was heading north so at least he
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had some kind of sense of direction but Bailey said at some point when she was talking to chance that he
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said that he was heading south and maybe maybe he was just confused at that time
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or maybe she misheard him of course police confirmed early on that chance had not returned to his home in morcroft
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Wyoming authorities were conducting their own searches and friends and family of chances drove in from Wyoming
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and South Dakota to help look for him but their efforts sadly were in vain the search has turned up no sign of chance
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no sign of his personal items and no sign of his clothing or his cell phone after several days the family raised a
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reward which eventually grew to $10,000 Chance's mom Dawn his brothers and Bailey and Baby Banks spoke to the media
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and implored the public to relay any information Don said that chance went for a walk for a few hours to clear his
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head but he would never have stayed away from his baby boy this long they say that this is not like him she said he
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was a family man he worked hard he was responsible he paid the bills yeah it's not uncommon for people to get
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in an argument maybe he wasn't in an argument with Bailey that night but he was definitely an argument and upset
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about something so hey I'm going to clear my head that's pretty normal I would think
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maybe not showing up the next morning a little abnormal but on top of that chance was recently laid off at his job
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I believe there was 600 people at a Mining Company that would they laid off at their job but he got a new job that
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he was supposed to start on that Monday at a propane company so this is a significant moment when he doesn't show
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up to that job on Monday morning that that's that's a that's a pretty big red flag that there's something wrong mhm
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well how about we dive into their lives a little bit before The Disappearance here Captain yeah chance was born on
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December 3rd 1993 his parents are Everett and Dawn Englebert he has two younger brothers miles and clay and the
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family is very close but there seems to have been some turmoil leading up to his
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disappearance and we'll get into that but let's stick with happier times for now chance was particularly close with
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his brothers according to his family these relationships that Chance's family says look there's no way this guy is
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just walking off and leaving this life behind him his family Echoes what others are saying as well that he was very
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responsible and would not walk out on his son on his obligations leaving Bailey and Banks high and dry now chance
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was raised in Edgemont in South Dakota and calling him a Horseman is well it's an
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understatement you can see Rodeo footage of him online riding bucking Broncos he
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competed in rodeos while in high school he eventually earned a scholarship to a community college in Cheyenne Wyoming
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for Rodeo writing he attended the school from 2012 to 2016 earning degrees in welding and diesel mechanics he rode
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beback horses and Bulls for the college Rodeo team now his hobby outside of work
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and riding was Demolition Derby he and his brothers love to work on cars and such and then track them in Adrenaline
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fielded competitions as said he's a trained welder chance got a job at a coal mine in Gillette Wyoming in 2017
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and this goes to show that he is responsible he had worked there since 2017 leading up to his disappearance in
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late 2017 this is when he meets Bailey and the two had a quick courtship and an engagement before tying the knot in late
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2018 they had a baby six months later this is Banks Bailey was only 20 years old when chance went missing so she's
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quite young he's 25 the couple moved to morof Wyoming a few months earlier and had just bought a new house chance
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continued working for the mine just before he went missing as the captain said this is a week before he goes
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missing right he gets this bad news he is one of 580 workers abruptly laid off when black Jewel LLC closed two
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coal mines without notice they they didn't give anybody any real notice here this is oh that's nice of them yeah well
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this is because they filed for bankruptcy which was denied on July 1st so they intended to continue the
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business and keep the employees however the motion was denied well chance was a young guy like he said he's 25 years old
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handsome kid he he kind of reminds me of rip from Yellowstone we'll post pictures
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of chance and and Bailey and their their kid on our social medias you can find all those Links at True Crime garage.com
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and as the captain pointed out the family was shocked you know they're not shocked that he took off walking huff
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and puff when he's angry but they were shocked when he didn't show up to start that new job at blakeman propane in
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morof on Monday July 8th well my my first question when I was reading this was we we know what he was wearing we
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have a pretty good description from Bailey of what he was wearing she even says it's like a grayish purple Wrangler
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shirt she knew what Wrangler jeans he was wearing so when there's conflicting stories of whether he's wearing boots or
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tennis shoes funny to me because she's saying well he's wearing this this this and then when you see him on that
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surveillance footage you you can kind of pick pick out those items uh that he's wearing this is not golf attire but
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there's pictures of him I don't think it's of that day but it's other times of him golfing and that's what he wore
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golfing Wrangler shirt a Wrangler button-up shirt Wrangler jeans boots and a trucker hat well everybody golfs in
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different attire if the course will allow you Jim McMahon golfs Barefoot so there you go I golf naked we need to
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point out here too if if it was missed by anybody out there that by this point chance and
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Bailey if you go back before the marriage they had been together for nearly two years at this point when he
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disappeared and she is describing him as a supportive husband he's the bread winner he's taking care of her and now
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their small family yeah Bailey currently wasn't working others paint a less Rosy
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picture of the situation Chance's buddy DJ told um the vanish podcast that bayy and chance lived with him for a short
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period of time he said that bayy and chance would argue quite a bit about stupid stuff is what he called it like
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she thought he was talking to his mother too much or she would accuse him of doing stuff that DJ says he simply
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wasn't doing and Chance's family agrees with this with this statement it sounds to me Captain like Bailey was little
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difficult with chance uh from these different stories that we're hearing now of course with Chance missing
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unfortunately he never showed up at his new workplace on July 8th according to everyone this was a very very bad sign
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many of them had been holding out hope that chance had for whatever reason walked off and somehow made his way home
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and would show up to work on Monday they said he simply was not that type of guy
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days by this point the police said that they had covered a lot of ground in the search for him and struck out and we've
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had several police and fire agencies including the Nebraska state patrol involved in the searches for chance
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these searches were primarily in Northwest Terrytown and Southwest Scott Bluff ground searches covered everything
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from the river's Banks Canyons under bridges abandoned trailers and even the Interiors of older cars at a local auto
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dealer select portions of the national park were scoured including some Badland areas the state p Patrol helicopter
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scanned over 100 m of ground the Nebraska state patrol airlink unit covered 280 mil in total sonar and K9
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were used to search 10 lakes and ponds investigators also canvased neighborhoods in Terry town going door
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too in all 2,400 Acres had been searched now per knop News 2 the Garing police chief said said quote we are going to be
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transitioning from an actively searching phase to a phase focusing more on the investigation doing more with cell
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phones interviews with family co-workers and other people in the lives of chance
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Englebert end quote so Captain they are going to figure out if something else happened to chance and really hone in on
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that at this point so as we continue to dig through Chance's life his family his
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Social Circles and in the events before and after he went missing keep in mind that we are really dealing with only a
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handful of possibilities here one chance walked off to start a new life never contacting anyone two chance took off
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walking cuz he was pissed off and got lost or injured and passed away somewhere out there three Bailey and or
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her family knows more about what happened but aren't talking maybe they are responsible or know who is and four
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someone or someone's got to chance while he was out walking and did away with him
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bro when he took off walking it wasn't like he had zero contact with anybody he made contact with his best friend Matt
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Miller talked to him and was trying to get a ride back home mhm then Matt Miller contacts Chance's family and they
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were trying to get a hold of him and and had some communication with him before the cell phone was turned off or went
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dead and as far as this phase in the investigation goes Captain we know how this goes we've seen it before law
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enforcement will review Chance's life his Social Circles and of course his finances police confirmed that his bank
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card had not been used and later verified that there was never any unusual activity on Chance's Financial
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accounts and police also began to investigate rumors and more outlandish theories one of these was that Bailey's
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family was involved in Chance's disappearance as it was reported that a family friend had just poured concrete
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at a property that they owned now that theory was quickly debunked Garing PD Officer Shawn West said quote in such
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cases there are often rumors that circulate in the community but he said that actually police had no evidence
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whatsoever that chance was the victim of Foul Play Chance's mother Dawn disagrees
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saying that she felt that someone knows something about what happened to her son
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well they've asked the lead investigator Brian eids about with the possibility to
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chance meet with Foul Play and he said look we we're going to investigate it as such there's no evidence that says that
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he did but there's no evidence that says that he didn't one of the Avenues police
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went down in their investigation is one that they have tried to downplay probably to protect the and avoid
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contributing to rumor and gossip but the police chief said that if chance did run
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away he would not face any criminal charges quote there's no repercussions if that's what happened
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and chance needed a break to decompress whatever there is no criminal charges he
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has not committed a crime end quote at this point in our timeline though roughly 6 days into his disappearance
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Chance's mother issues a statement about concerns that chance may have gone missing on purpose and then Baby Banks
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posted the following on Facebook here's what happened according to Banks who is actually Bailey of course says hi my
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name is Banks chance Englebert my dad went missing on July 6 2019 my daddy had a couple of rough
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weeks he was a laid off at the mine though he had a new job starting the next Monday on Saturday July 6 he was
00:35:29
golfing with some family members at the Bayard Golf Course Daddy got upset about
00:35:34
a remark made about his job and he was one of hundreds laid off from the mine providing for Mom and I was important to
00:35:43
him and I think his pride was at stake Daddy called Mom Bailey to get him at the golf course when we got back to my
00:35:52
great-grandparents house mommy and I went in to pack our stuff because daddy wanted to go back home to Morra daddy
00:36:00
didn't come inside but took off walking around 7:20 daddy talked to Mom a couple of
00:36:06
times on the phone from phone records we know Daddy called a couple of friends we
00:36:12
were told he asked one to come get him he was going to torington but friend said he was unable to he had two
00:36:20
unanswered calls from his mom that is the extent of his phone records before his phone was shut off he was spotted on
00:36:28
camera at 7:48 by weathercraft Roofing in Garing Nebraska daddy maybe was on a ring camera at
00:36:37
801 by Terry Boulevard in Terrytown Nebraska this is debatable at 9:08 he sent a weird text to his aunt Katie and
00:36:48
about 9:15 his phone was shut off again note times are approximate that was the last text this is the last time Dad was
00:36:57
heard from where are you daddy did you just walk away from me and Mom I don't think so did somebody pick you up we
00:37:05
don't know did you run into some trouble I wish we knew does somebody know something I'm sure of it wherever you
00:37:13
are Daddy Mom and I want you home there are so many people that love you wow that's a smart baby but let's start off
00:37:21
with this golfing event there's some speculation that this event never even happened but I'd like to know more
00:37:28
details about the argument what was said it seems like it was something pretty simple that his new job wasn't going to
00:37:36
pay as much as his old job but it seems like a weird comment to blow up about that may be and and a lot of that sounds
00:37:45
to be at least what we're being told right because we don't know the exact argument how it went down and and who
00:37:54
was all involved now of according to Bailey we do have a a pretty lengthy statement that I can give here from
00:38:01
Bailey this is what she told uh the vanished and it has more details about according to her at least the mood that
00:38:10
chance was in during that time frame and again this is quoting from the vanished
00:38:16
that says we were just we were just down visiting our family and the guys all decided that they wanted to go golfing
00:38:24
so him my brother-in-law and my dad Dad they went down to Bear Golf Course and drank a lot and golfed a lot and I don't
00:38:32
know had fun he called me and we were supposed to meet some friends for dinner that night and he was in a super good
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mood so I drove out there to the golf course I got the baby out of the car and I started walking over to where everyone
00:38:48
was sitting and he stood up being chance he being chance he stood up and said get
00:38:54
the [ __ ] back in the car we're leaving so I thought that was really weird so I
00:39:00
was kind of looking at everyone and they were looking at me and everyone is just
00:39:05
super confused we left and I canceled plans with my friends and he had misunderstood something that somebody
00:39:12
had said about the mine shutting down cuz in Nebraska the minimum wage I mean it's hard to make really good money in
00:39:20
Nebraska even if you're super skilled you're not going to be paid worth a [ __ ]
00:39:25
compared to what you are in Wyoming and so they made a comment about at least he
00:39:31
wasn't making minimum wage by Nebraska standards he was making good money and he would just and he just took it the
00:39:39
wrong way so he was upset about that and he really wanted to go home and he had been drinking just enough that there was
00:39:48
no talking any sort of sense into him so I just kind of went with it and I was like okay cool we'll go home so so I
00:39:56
drove to my grandparents in Garing Nebraska where we had been staying and I went in to pack my bag we pulled into
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the driveway and he said no I said I wanted to go home and I was like yeah just hold on I'm going to go grab our
00:40:12
bags and we'll leave well he took off walking and I ran the baby inside and handed him to my grandma and ran back
00:40:21
outside and I started driving around looking for him yeah the podcast the vanish Marissa Jones she she does really
00:40:28
good work so if you're into missing person cases make sure you check out her podcast Bailey said that chance had a
00:40:34
temper and when they argued in the past he would leave and he would go to the shop to work on his demo derby cars and
00:40:41
have a beer obviously in this situation Captain he's quite a ways away from going and working on cars and having a
00:40:49
beer yeah but he he was determined to get back there she said he was the type to get pissed off but then get over it
00:40:56
and he was not the type to Harbor resentment Chance's friends agree with this statement but they all agree it was
00:41:04
also totally out of character for him not to come back now bayy was eager and I this is one thing that we've seen
00:41:13
continually in the course of this case and over the couple of years since he has gone missing bayy has dismissed
00:41:21
media reports that it was actually her that chance was mad at you know she has said time and time again the argument
00:41:28
was not between her and chance that this whatever happened went down at the golf
00:41:34
course and it sounds to me like it went down in a relatively short period of time because everything's going good and
00:41:42
I I think it's key to point out here that Bailey is saying I went to pick him up because he called me he was in such a
00:41:49
good mood that implies to me that the plan was not for her to pick him up that that
00:41:56
he would just return with the guys after they were done golfing but those plans changed when he calls and they decide
00:42:03
you know what bayley's going to go pick him up it's roughly about a 20 minute drive is from the grandparents house to
00:42:11
the golf course right so assuming that she receives that call while she's at the grandparents house within 20 minutes
00:42:19
that that mood changes from super good mood to hey get the [ __ ] back in the car
00:42:25
we're leaving this is what's difficult too is we don't know what was said or maybe what he thought was implied by a
00:42:33
comment and it seems to me hey look get back in the car we're leaving I'm done with this [ __ ] this guy has a lot on his
00:42:41
plate anyways I mean he just lost a career job now he's needs to find another job because he needs to support
00:42:49
his family or he wishes to support his family he might have left out some details when he talked to Bailey because
00:42:56
maybe there's something that was said that would also offend her and he didn't want to bring her into the argument it's
00:43:03
not out of line to think that maybe Bailey was like Hey look calm down they probably didn't mean that maybe you
00:43:10
misunderstood them everybody knows how it is when you're a little mad and we could assume at this point he's a little
00:43:16
drunk or a little intoxicated and when somebody tells you hey what why don't you just chill out or
00:43:24
why don't you calm down for whatever reason that always for me anyways is gasoline on the fire oh you want me to
00:43:31
chill out now I'm going to get even more mad so maybe his walking away from the situation was I already got an argument
00:43:41
with her family I don't want to get in an argument with her right and I I'm not going to lie man I have a difficult time
00:43:47
believing that there was no argument between chance and Bailey inside the car she says that there wasn't and that that
00:43:54
he wasn't mad at her I can believe that he wasn't mad at her but I have a hard time believing that a 20-minute Drive
00:44:01
there's not some words exchanged and maybe by the end of the drive yes he wasn't mad at her at the start of the
00:44:07
drive but probably just mad at the whole situation by the time they get to her grandparents house right and again if
00:44:14
she's saying to him hey I I think maybe you misunderstood in a sense you're going hey you're sticking up for them so
00:44:21
yeah I could see him being pretty snarky towards her by the end of that drive and
00:44:26
want to throw something else out there too you know we we mentioned some conflicting stories and I'll give some
00:44:31
opinions on that here in just a second but that that statement is important to read from the vanish podcast because I
00:44:39
believe that interview was just about four months or so after he went missing but then we have an interview with dine
00:44:47
where Bailey tells Dateline and this is a quote quote he gets mad he'll walk to cool down but I didn't think he'd go far
00:44:55
he just just kept walking until I couldn't see him I didn't think he was serious end quote so that seems to imply
00:45:03
a different scenario right right when when you hear the one statement to the vanish podcast of oh you know I went
00:45:10
inside he said he wanted to leave I went inside told him I'm going to grab our things and we'll go and then later her
00:45:17
statement to dat line is well he just kept walking until I couldn't see him anymore and and that that's my first
00:45:25
issue my first issue is the one statement makes it sound like you're in the house when he leaves the next
00:45:32
statement makes it sound like you were watching him walk away one statement makes it seem like there was no argument
00:45:39
he wasn't mad at you the other one when you're watching and walk away seems like
00:45:44
it's implied that he's also upset with you so it it's uh you know she's been getting a lot of grief lately because
00:45:53
she hasn't been doing interviews and you know look when your husband goes missing
00:46:01
and there's argument with your family people are going to question your demeanor they're going to question the
00:46:08
details of your words well and there in lies the problem with this case if if Bailey and her family's being
00:46:15
100% authentic and honest then there's no concerns to be had but you question all of that and you don't know we don't
00:46:23
because we don't know these individuals we don't know her family it's hard for us to sit here and go okay well that
00:46:30
Rings true to me and let's just roll with that something else happened to this guy now I do want to point out
00:46:36
something here too that I think must be said in bayley's defense in regard to these two interviews where what she says
00:46:44
it seemingly paints a different picture MH to be clear on my opinion of of her two statements yes it's possible that
00:46:54
this is to two conflicting statements however I also believe that there is a possibility that these statements are
00:47:03
completely truthful they're just lacking detail to connect the two stories right
00:47:09
you know it could be something as simple as yes she she left out a couple details
00:47:15
in one version and a couple details in the other version but there's also a possibility that both are not completely
00:47:23
truthful and maybe she's sugarcoating the situation maybe there were some other words that were exchanged you know
00:47:32
I could see a scenario where they're arguing in the car on the way back and she says no
00:47:39
we're staying he says we're going home to Mor Croft she says no we're staying we're just staying one more night and
00:47:46
we'll leave tomorrow M and this is when it comes to push and pull here who's in charge and we've all seen this we
00:47:54
witnessed it as children with our parents I've experienced it as an adult as well there's no really clear
00:48:00
definition of who is in charge in these situations when Mom wants one thing and dad wants the other and so do we have a
00:48:08
situation where he says we're going home she says no we're staying another night
00:48:13
we'll leave in the morning get over it grow up She takes the keys and the baby inside and now he's left in the car or
00:48:21
left standing in the driveway with two options I can either tip my hat and Ride walk on out of this [ __ ] or I can go in
00:48:32
to the grandparents house where I said I wasn't going where I said I was not returning to well Colonel you have a
00:48:38
foul filthy mouth is what you have on you let me throw another wrinkle into the story originally they were supposed
00:48:45
to go out on a couple's weekend with Chance's friend Matt and his girlfriend they're going to go to a cabin in South
00:48:53
Dakota and go catfishing at the last minute chance caught up Matt and said hey now we're going to Bailey's family's
00:49:01
house and even we should point out too even if the argument did turn to him against her and her against him that
00:49:09
doesn't necessarily mean that bayy did anything nefarious or her family has there's still a a very plausible
00:49:17
situation that he storms off and the old huff and puff and something bad happened
00:49:23
to him be it the elements or be something else you know some kind of run in with
00:49:30
trouble uh when he's attempting to make it back to his home in in morof what I do see here though that is very clear to
00:49:39
me with the phone calls that he makes with his actions I don't know if this is a situation where he's going to get over
00:49:47
it that he's going to cool off after an hour like he would if they were home this seems to me like he's he's make
00:49:53
he's making his stand this is his Hill that he's willing to die on and he's going to go you know what I'm going to
00:50:00
find my own way back home and when she is done with her family she'll come home and I'll already be here and we should
00:50:08
also point out too something that's very obvious in this situation but it seems to be kind of kind of like brushed over
00:50:15
a little bit like it's always mentioned in different in in some of the articles I shouldn't say all the Articles it's
00:50:21
always mentioned in some of the Articles and it's always mentioned in some of the
00:50:27
the the news and media media coverage but it's always kind of glossed over Chance's family and Bailey's Family
00:50:36
did not get along nope they were not like a united front of you know what what what some people are what some
00:50:44
people experience where when you marry into a family be it the the husband or wife or what have you you then become
00:50:52
part of that family no this was this was the Bailey camp and Chance's Camp the other thing too that's weird going on
00:51:01
here even though chance was very close with his family and we know that even by some of the statements of the friends
00:51:07
that that bayy would get on to him about talking to his mother too much even though he seems to be very close with
00:51:12
his family it doesn't seem like he was close or getting along with his family at the time that he went missing right
00:51:18
so there's a lot of stuff going on in these two young people's lives he's 25 she's 20 they got a new house new baby
00:51:28
he's been laid off he's getting starting a new job and it sounds like she was getting ready to start uh some type of
00:51:35
schooling at this time too now according to Bailey her and some of her family went
00:51:42
looking for chance that night and as we said that night and the next morning they are calling chance and everyone
00:51:49
they know to try to locate him or someone who has seen him or spoke to him then they report him missing to police
00:51:58
now the family has given bayley's family has given some more information about the timeline Bailey last spoke with
00:52:05
chance on the phone at 7:46 p.m. on Saturday night after he walked off according to her he told her he was
00:52:14
walking South the captain pointed this out earlier heading toward Kimble as we know he was actually walking north and
00:52:23
west instead he apparently did not want Bailey to find him or he's already lost at this point yeah or he misspoke or she
00:52:33
misheard him chance was on the phone for the next hour approximately calling people asking for a ride he said he was
00:52:41
walking to torington Wyoming this would be about a 35m walk I don't know you about you Captain but I'm not in the
00:52:49
business of conducting many 35m walks well once I do a round of golf I like like to pound a bunch of beers and then
00:52:58
get about a 40 mile walk in getting some verbal altercations and and walk a good
00:53:03
35 miles I do want to pause for a second cuz we we talked about the tension within the family I I just want to talk
00:53:12
about that for just a second cuz one from what I've been told when they got together because she was she was younger
00:53:20
than he was the what I was told is that she initially lied to about her age then they start the
00:53:30
relationship there's conflicts right away she doesn't like his family again I I don't like any
00:53:37
relationship look we've seen this in many cases it's a tactic of abusers to separate their partner from their
00:53:48
family and it doesn't matter if it's the wife doing it to the husband or the husband doing it to the wife I I don't
00:53:55
like those situations I think your spouse if if you have good family members that love you and care about you
00:54:03
your partner should always be supportive of you having a great relationship doesn't mean
00:54:11
that that the you know doesn't mean that you have to have a great relationship with them but you
00:54:17
should be supportive of your partner having a good relationship with their family when they got married she made a
00:54:24
big fuss and there was a big blow up because she didn't want his family there now I just think
00:54:34
that's pretty ridiculous and but again I think some of this Ridiculousness is coming because of their age and their
00:54:43
maturity or lack thereof and but again you're commenting on situations that we we just don't know we can't claim to
00:54:50
fully understand I I get it that she didn't want his family there but who's to say he didn't want her family there
00:54:58
right um this these are details we just don't know and we could you could look at this through two different lenses one
00:55:08
that maybe suggests that she is trying to separate him from his family but there's also the other version where he
00:55:15
seems to whatever have reason for whatever reasons not be close with his family leading up to his disappearance
00:55:22
and that may have nothing to do with Bailey I I don't believe that it has nothing to do with Bailey but but
00:55:28
there's a chance that it has very little to do with her and maybe more so with the Dynamics of the relationship that he
00:55:35
has with his parents and and brothers at the time yeah good point and as the captain pointed out one of the friends
00:55:41
that chance called that night was Matt Miller Matt was Chance's best man at his wedding Matt gave an interview that was
00:55:51
informative he says that chance called him that night and Matt was in Gillette Wyoming at the time and chance told him
00:55:59
that he had gotten into a fight with his in-laws and he was walking down the road
00:56:04
toward torington and needed a ride home Matt says that chance did not sound drunk or disoriented but he did sound
00:56:13
angry Matt says he had been drinking all day and could not go to pick up chance right but told chance that he would make
00:56:21
some calls then he calls Dawn which is Chance's mother and she said she was going to call Chance's Uncle John and JN
00:56:30
was going to go get him so then Matt the friend tries to call Chance back to let
00:56:37
him know hey your uncle John is going to come out and get you right but now he's
00:56:41
getting no answer when he's calling chance this to me seems to be the Line in the Sand in our timeline here Captain
00:56:50
where we know and I think for a very good reason one we know chance reached out to this
00:56:57
person for help he seems determined to get out of the area he calls his buddy for
00:57:04
help it seems to me of all the calls I believe that there are people in Chance's life at this time at the day
00:57:12
that he went missing that if they called his phone or text him he may not respond
00:57:17
to right but not Matt when Matt is calling him back he is going to answer if he is able to he will answer that
00:57:25
call because he has asked Matt for a ride Matt his best man tells him I can't pick you up but I will find someone to
00:57:35
do so so this is a call that really kind of kind of scares me kind of shakes me here when I think of what is going on
00:57:44
and what could have happened to to chance it seems to me like some whatever went down it started to get bad between
00:57:52
the time he gets off the phone with Matt and the time that Matt is trying to get
00:57:56
a hold of chance later to let him know hey your uncle John is is going to come and try to pick you up but again like we
00:58:03
said Chance had been drinking I look I'm not saying Matt's a liar by any means I
00:58:11
think uh the interviews that Matt has done you I applaud him for taking the time and to try to share his thoughts on
00:58:21
um on this case he seems to be show that he very much cares about his missing friend and just wants answers just like
00:58:31
the so many people in this case um i' go as far as to say I like the cut of Matt's jib but I agree with you when
00:58:40
Matt he reaches out to Matt when Matt reaches back out he doesn't answer now I don't think he
00:58:47
didn't answer because he didn't want to I think at that point he's probably not capable or the phone is dead yes phone
00:58:54
is dead you know there is some speculation on whether the phone got shut off or not I don't think Chance is
00:59:01
going to reach out for help and then turn his phone off that doesn't make any sense but but back to what I was saying
00:59:09
is when he says well chance didn't sound drunk look your perceptions of things are impaired if you've been drinking all
00:59:18
day so and I would like to know just how long that conversation was it doesn't seem like it was that long of a
00:59:24
conversation so if somebody's mad maybe that mask the little bit of intoxication because that
00:59:31
footage that you see where he takes that 90° turn you know what video I'm talking
00:59:37
about because of that video is how they kind of conducted their search it's the last known sighting of chance mhm when
00:59:47
he turns his body on a 90° angle he then has to like reset his balance he almost
00:59:54
almost like when he the first initial step to me he looks that like he lost his balance
01:00:01
almost I had a State Trooper look at that video Never didn't tell him that the person was missing didn't tell the
01:00:07
per didn't tell the state trooper that this guy had been drinking at all and he would just all he said to me is if I was
01:00:14
doing a sobriety test and somebody made a movement like that that that would you know be a a big
01:00:23
Point against them so I think in that video it's hard to tell I mean you can see him walk for a decent amount of
01:00:32
distance but to me he still seems intoxicated well and that certainly will play into the possibilities of what
01:00:39
could have happened to chance because you know we have everybody including Matt that is telling us look you know
01:00:45
this guy was into hunting he's an Outdoorsman he's a rodeo rider you have to be pretty damn physically fit to ride
01:00:52
in the rodeo and he says that you know I don't think that he would have fallen into the river because he was surefooted
01:01:01
because he was an Outdoorsman but again you factor in the possibility that he was intoxicated and then later the bad
01:01:08
weather that's going to come in to the area I think you have to leave that as a as a possibility here in this situation
01:01:17
now Chance's mother told the story from her perspective saying that on Saturday afternoon July 6th the day he went Miss
01:01:24
Chance's dad Everett text chance to tell him that there was a package at their house for him and chance responds saying
01:01:32
that they would be back in town on Sunday as he was starting a new job on Monday now we know that Matt Miller says
01:01:39
he receives the call from chance and tells chance hey I'm going to try to get or tells us anyway that he is going to
01:01:47
try to get in touch with Chance's family to see if he can get somebody to go pick
01:01:51
him up because hey I've been drinking all day this destination is several hours away I
01:01:57
can't go get my friend well Dawn when she tells us what happened that night she says yes she received the call from
01:02:08
from Matt and tells Matt yeah we'll reach out to him I guess but I'm not sure if he'll want to talk to us meaning
01:02:16
chance may not want to talk to us this is his mother saying that but either his uncle or somebody will reach out and try
01:02:22
to get to him so this to me means that there was some kind of tension or bad blood going on within
01:02:29
chance and his family because his mother's own words are I'm not sure that he would want to talk to us and so she
01:02:38
had the uncle and his aunt all text him and call him to see about picking him up and then she says
01:02:47
you know he wouldn't answer any calls or text from from the family now if that was his
01:02:54
his by choosing that's one thing we simply don't know or if he was unable to for any number of reasons that's a
01:03:01
possibility as well do we know what the interaction was between Chance's family that night and
01:03:09
Bailey yes and there was interaction between them which I mean could be surprising to some at this point given
01:03:17
the difficulties in that relationship but we do know that Dawn and Everett tried to call and text their son when
01:03:24
they get no response they then called his friend and neighbor this guy's name is Larry Larry calls Bailey because you
01:03:32
know he's her neighbor as well so he has her information then Bailey calls Chance's
01:03:40
parents and so we know there was some interaction between Bailey and Chance's parents that night she tells them that
01:03:48
they were looking for chance but she also told them that you know he walked away on his own and she expected him
01:03:55
back after he cooled down then she calls back around 11:00 p.m. to tell Chance's parents that they
01:04:02
had given up looking for him because there was a bad storm in the area the next morning Bailey calls the engelberts
01:04:11
again this time she wants to know had they heard from him she told them that she was going to file a missing person's
01:04:18
report and of course no they had not heard from him that night they talked again this is now Sunday night and
01:04:25
Bailey was crying and said quote I just know he's coming home in a body bag end quote that's according to Dawn according
01:04:33
to Chance's mother yeah red flag Chance's parents then drive to Garing to help search for their son Chance's
01:04:41
mother Dawn says that just a little more than 48 hours after Bailey reported Chance missing to police biley was
01:04:49
asking the police for a death certificate and Captain Rogers with the GPD just kind of looked at her he was
01:04:59
surprised and he said Bailey we don't work with that kind of stuff he goes on to say in my heart I still feel we're
01:05:06
going to find him I'm treating this like my brother's lost and we're going to do
01:05:10
everything we can to find him now Bailey is pretty young so overreacting to a strange and stressful
01:05:17
situation might be expected but mentioning body bags and death certificates within days of chance
01:05:25
going missing major red flags here Captain yeah and you know Brian eids the lead investigator questioned her about
01:05:33
this and basically what he thought was Bailey was not working at the time so maybe somebody suggested to her hey uh
01:05:42
declare him dead get a death certificate and then you would get insurance and um
01:05:49
you could get Social Security benefits or something to that degree it's very strange that you're asking for that
01:05:58
right away it's almost like you know that he's not coming back it's almost like you know that nobody's going to
01:06:05
find him um and then Brian eids also said when she asked for that that's a huge red
01:06:14
flag uh but in her defense Brian eids has also said that she's been very Cooperative with law enforcement uh very
01:06:24
respectful to him but look we've seen this time and time again sometimes investigators or journalists or whoever
01:06:33
they uh they get one pulled right over their eyes because somebody is treating them nice or with respect and just kind
01:06:40
of filling out the timeline for that night here Captain Chance's Aunt Katie a family friend not a blood relative but
01:06:47
she's referred to as Aunt Katie text chance and chance did did did text her back this was at 908 p.m. now Chance's
01:06:59
text said and bear with me because this is a little weird I'm going to try to describe it best I can his text to his
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aunt says I'm and then it has no emotion yellow face emoji capital i b d e space capital s e
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RR really and then capital G so the end of that text is capital s e r and then the word really attached to those
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letters followed by a capital G that's the text I'm yellow face emoji some strange letters really G and that's it
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yeah it's supposed to be like a smiley face but instead of a smile it's a straight lip you know straight mouth the
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Emoji yeah so so she responds to this text saying you are what are you okay and she receives no answer I think the
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Emoji is supposed to represent uh like annoyed I'm annoyed and then like you said i b d e s e r e a l l y g again I I
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but I mean the no Emoji or the no emotion yellow face emoji just like the bizarre letters that
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follow may not have been intended to be part of the text at all it's really difficult to say to to make heads or
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Tales of this text and we know that the aunt responds immediately back and then she receives no
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