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[Music] welcome to True Crime garage welcome to the best of 2024 as we see it as we see it the
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weather outside is frightful but the garage is so delightful it's warm and delightful and since you've no place to
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go here's our show here's our show here's our show I didn't want to admit this to anybody but because we're all
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friends here about December 15th all my coffees have Bailey in them until the start of the new year it would be weird
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if they didn't he he sure smells like Bailey's a gentleman that I love listening to Dave
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damashek he's a sports guy and I've listened to him forever back when he was radio guy and he was a writer for uh wi
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Ben Stein's Money so he's he's not just Sports guy a bit of a you know comedy background if you will but he says this
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is his favorite time of year he he says around somewhere between December 10th and December 15th you can just tell the
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boss to go and screw because yeah I'll be here I'm gonna be here but I'm not doing any work and oh by the way I'm
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going to be drunk well that's part of of our job yeah so best of 2024 should we Define that for the
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beautiful listeners for the beautiful listeners so this is anything True Crime related it could be a documentary it
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could be a book it could be a podcast it could be anything True Crime related that
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we consumed during the year of 2024 so we could have wrote we could have read a book from
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1981 and thought it was so amazing and that's on our list I will just go ahead and say that I believe everything but
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one item that I am that's on my top five list is from the year 2024 the majority
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of mine are from 2024 and I will when necessary I will um pivot yes I will let you know the date of release for pivot
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for the item consumed or the True Crime consumed well these are my favorite episodes and so I guess you know this
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time of year is great we can tell our boss to go screw we're getting drunk and we're going to talk some true
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crime but the top five best of 2024 as we see it mhm so let me I'll just start off are you sure cuz I I was thinking
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about this right before flipped on the microphones because start off well I I think that sometimes when somebody goes
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last in a countdown uhhuh it almost implies that their selections might be of better importance than the others and
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I don't look at it that way but but in a countdown usually the last thing to be named is considered the best right right
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and I want to say this to you my friend I am very intrigued by what your five will be so the listeners should know I
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have no idea what you've chosen you don't know what I've chosen I have no clue and because I'm so intrigued of
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what you have picked and I know that it's going to steer me in the right direction to consume something true
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crime in the early 2025 just on my own excitement level could I go first to make your picks more
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important than but I have a question for you yes sir out of my top five list and
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your top five list how many how many will be the same not in the same order but how many things on your list will be
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the same as my list I would say there's a chance for I think two is most likely that could be the same because when
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we're only doing five if we were doing 10 I would say three for sure but three of
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these three of these on my countdown I know you've viewed or or read as well right and so I'm putting the minimum at
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two maximum at three because two of my selections I don't think I have no knowledge prior knowledge that you are
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even aware of them probably not I'm not aware of a lot of things well but that's what's crazy
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is you compare 2024 to 1994 there's and thankfully because we're you know we we are intrigued by
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True Crime and fascinated by it there's so much more to consume nowadays than there was back then yes and so it's it's
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getting more and more every year and unfortunately you just can't put earballs or eyeballs on everything
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that's out there because there's just so much of it and frankly look not all of it is good either right there's a lot of
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really good True Crime out there but there's also just kind of some junk along the way and everybody out there we
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all have busy lives and family and wonderful things going on we can't always be busy with True Crime and so
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there's only so much you can consume and that's why you're going to see one or two items that maybe didn't get consumed
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in the year that it was released we're lucky enough to dive into cases every week but that also hinders us from
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keeping up with new True Crime we are eyeballs deep neck deep in a new case each week and it doesn't I don't like
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the worst is when a new True Crime documentary comes out on one of the great streaming services yeah and you're
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like wow I cannot wait to put my butt in that recliner pour a cold beverage and watch this documentary oh but if I do
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these cases you don't like to start researching too many of them at the same time because it gets confusing and so
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I'm always like well maybe there'll be enough time in the week next week that I'll be able to get to it and then I'm
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three or four days behind and you're out in public and people are talking about it and you're like no no no no don't
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tell me anything don't tell me what happens yeah yeah doesn't really work that way but yeah did they solve the
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case that's that's all all right so uh number five number five and I did say that I
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will go first so it would be weird if I was just silent here I went with one and
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this one is one that I think that we might both have on our list I don't know if if it appears on yours I don't know
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if it'll be in the same spot but I say that because either one or both of us did say after recommending it a dozen
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times to the listeners that it will probably be on one or both of our list and so of course my number five is who
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killed Robert Juan which was a fantastic documentary two parts both approximately
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1 hour each actually I'm looking at it now episode one was 61 minutes episode two was 75 minutes and individually
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they're titled murder on Swan Street and the unraveling truth this was a case that I was unfamiliar with a friend of
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ours we who we saw and hung out with at crime con had suggested said hey Nick have you ever heard of the Robert Juan
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case and I said no I said where's it out of and and she said Washington D.C and look that's that's one of the
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great cities of this country and so I I my ears perked up and I said tell me a little bit about it she told me a little
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bit and God bless her she it was the tip of the iceberg and so I got home and I realized there's a documentary about it
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she if she told me that I failed to remember and I saw that it was on peacock peacock's doing some good things
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I think they a lot of good sports on peacock these days too I thought this documentary was very well put together
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it's not from 2024 but it was new to me I believe it came out in 2022 uh 2023 2023 okay so I wasn't too
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late I was late to the party but not too late they weren't cleaning everything up
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by the time I got there I loved one I thought the way that they put it together was fantastic I thought that
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the the the model that they had of of the town home that they lived in that the suspects if you will lived in was so
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key to the documentary and we said that in our attempt at covering this case to the best of our ability in a four-part
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series not too long ago that one part that is confusing from a storytelling perspective is the layout of that
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beautiful town home that they lived in to have the model there that was put together and to reference it
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throughout the course of the telling during the Stu series I thought was key the
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visualization of that and then the characters and I say characters but these are real life people that were
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telling us the story right the bloggers that had covered it they were so interesting to listen to and the
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attorneys the prosecutor and the defense attorney were their personalities were brilliant and they were like it was
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almost like something out of fiction where somebody's like here's the here's the perfect defense attorney and how
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they should act and conduct themselves and the arguments that they should make on the other side of that table was the
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fictional Picture Perfect version of a prosecutor who was who is determined to get truth and justice for the victim you
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can't dream up better characters no and to be honest with you I really both of those attorneys
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prosecution defense very successful individuals prior to this case I remember when I heard I think it was the
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prosecutor first the district attorney I when I'm hearing him and he's talking about the case I
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thought at first glance man I'm like if this thing goes to trial that dude's winning and then they introduce the
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defense attorney and I'm like hm he's going to be pretty tough to beat and it was intriguing I well done to Peacock
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and to the directors producers of who killed Robert Juan still an unsolved case very sad case the victim U very
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incredible guy great guy and so I hope we get answers there of course but if you're looking for something to watch I
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say Buckle in because you watch this one and you're going to want to go and listen to our four-part series you're
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going to want to get on the internet and learn more it's so but it's so well done
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that it it only leaves you Desiring more because the case is so intriguing yes and that's why it's also my number five
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boom so there we go we got we go one down so let's go to number four on our top five all right
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number four is I went with a harvest of Innocence The Untold story of the West Memphis 3 murder case this by the Great
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Dan stum who anybody that's followed the case will know was the defense attorney
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for Jesse Miss Kelly one of the three defendants in this case and I I thought Dan stum was a breath of fresh air of
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course there's no shortage of material out there to review on this case there's several books several documentaries I
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think there's another documentary in the works so there's no shortage of interesting and good consumables here
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but I thought he was a bre breath of fresh air because a lot of the books and documentaries and things you'll review
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online are skewed one way or the other that the the West Memphis 3 are innocent or they're guilty and we've certainly
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covered the case and added some of our opinions to the case as well yeah but he's a bre of fresh air one because he
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represented one of the the defendants he represented a complicated defendant Jesse mkelly was a complicated
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defendant to have and represent and to hear impossible to represent correct and to hear him voice at
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length what he said what was summed up in earlier documentaries where he says you know I went I took this case I was
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assigned this case as a as a public defender and I thought the guy was guilty he told he confessed he told me
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he did you know he confess to me right and I thought I went into this thinking well I'm I'm going to represent this guy
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and try to get him make sure that he doesn't get the death penalty make sure that I represent his best interest and
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that he's treated fairly but when I lay my head down on the pillow at night I know that he's responsible so if he ends
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up in prison that's where he belongs but then to hear how his opinion morphed and
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changed after he learned of the details of the case and learned more from his his defendant and from Jesse M Kelly and
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and got to to know the boy Jesse and how his opinion changed and then how he fought
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so hard for somebody who he believed to be innocent and so I thought the book was
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fascinating we were lucky enough to have Mr stum on the show and he and I spoke to and poor poor
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Captain had to edit this thing I could only imagine probably took two weeks out of the guy's life it was it was long I
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know and I was I was so excited to send never again send you the file because I was like I know how invested you've been
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in this case over the years and the amount of intrigue you have about this case so I thought oh man I'm going to
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send it to him and it's going to be a joy for him to edit it because you know there's some there's some really good
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nuggets in here and some really good conversation but it was it was I'm sure something very difficult to cut up and
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part of it was Mr stinum and I talked for so long and I go here's a little peek behind the curtain real quick due
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to the time change and due to his job and due to what I do here at True Crime garage the only time that he and I could
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do this interview it started at 900 p.m Eastern which is the time zone I live in
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on a Friday night you know the crispiest of Colonels enjoys his Friday night I thought you know what for Dan stum I
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will give up my Friday night for the beautiful listeners I will give up my Friday night and this book that I just
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read I will give up my Friday night we started that at 9900 p.m. I opened up a bottle of red
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wine at 9:20 because I thought you know what if I sip on this wine it'll keep me
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going so I don't I don't start to I don't start to get tired fast forward to about 3 hours later it's now after
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midnight I've drank the entire bottle of red wine and we're still talking about the case so uh thanks to Dan stum for
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coming on the show and thanks this book was way overdue frankly it it could have
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come out 10 years prior as far as I'm concerned but I I very much enjoyed it it's a different perspective and it's I
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added it to the collection of the growing collection of West Memphis 3 and information that I've compiled over the
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years my number four is Cold Case who killed John Benet ramsy it was on Netflix it's a three-part series it's
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funny because I was telling you before we started rolling on the microphones this uh documentary has
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gotten a lot of criticism online saying there's not really new information they claim there's a bunch of new evidence
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and they don't really present that evidence to the audience but the people rating it on
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Netflix it's sitting at about uh 7.5 which is similar to the Robert Juan um documentary so I thought it was good
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I'm so fascinated with the case that almost anything even if it's garbage I will probably cons consume
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hoping that there's some little nuggets of new information or or maybe a different way to look at some of the
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evidence this one Captain for me was an honorable mention I strongly considered it for my five spot I I really enjoyed
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it I didn't look forward to watching it to be honest with you because I thought oh here's this new documentary what's
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going to be new about it but after I sat down and you told me you said it was good and so I thought well if Captain
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says it's good then I out of respect for his opinion which I value greatly I will
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sit down and I'll give it a go and you know what if I if I hate it after 30 minutes I can always turn it off but due
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to your recommendation I sat down and I couldn't help it man I found myself deeply invested in the documentary and
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like you said maybe there's not a whole lot of new information per se within the
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confines of that three-part Series right but some of it was described sight slightly different some of the images
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that were shown at least one or two of the pictures that were shown were new to me
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for the first time and I thought it I thought it to be I couldn't I finished episode one and could not wait to start
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episode two so thank you for the recommendation my friend well here's why I think it was an important documentary
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is we got to hear from John Andrew ramsy Bob witson we we've got to hear from Michael Kane uh
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Michael Tracy so many individuals Steven singular and Joyce singular if you just took each one of
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these individuals and you just set them down for a long form interview now that would have been fascinating an hour just
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give each one of these individuals an hour because each one of these individuals could have talked for
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probably multiple hours and to hear long long form interviews from all these individuals and and also we get to hear
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John Ramsay talk a lot so I think that's why it's important yeah that's my number
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four and I give it two thumbs up I thought it was worth the watch and worth being in my top five absolutely 100% two
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thumbs up top three here we go we're hitting it yeah we're we're full head of steam here now baby all right my number
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three is a book that came out this year in 2004 sorry 2024 wow wow a foreign faction by James
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Kohler this was recommended to me by a couple of friends and to be honest with you when I picked it up I had thought
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initially that it was a book that had already come out that it was not new and in fact they recommended this book to me
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just about three or four weeks after it had come out and because of the subject matter I thought it was an older book
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that I had just overlooked the subject matter here too is John Benet so the full title is foreign faction who really
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kidnapped John Benet by James ker and this is available in several different forms paperback I believe it's available
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in hardback as well but you can get it on audible if you're a subscriber to audible or if that's a uh maybe somebody
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gets you the gift of audible this year yeah this would be one that I would recommend and as you can see and
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longtime listeners of this show do know that the captain and I have an addiction and one of those maybe more
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than one addiction but one addiction we have and share is that if something about the John B Ramsey case comes out
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we're probably going to watch it listen to it or read it at some point and so I was very thankful to my friends who
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recommended it to me and I I've while I do not the the thing about John Benet with the case and same with West Memphis
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3 for that matter a lot of the opinions a lot of the stuff that comes out has a certain amount of fact and a certain
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amount of opinion to it right and while I'm while I may not agree with the opinion expressed in that material or
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that Source I try to look at it from an entertainment value and with the John B documentary series that you just talked
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about that's how I had to look at it did I enjoy spending my time however long it
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took me to watch that did I enjoy spending my time was I was I intrigued was I ready to and eager to watch the
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next episode yes and I thought with foreign faction at first I was like yeah I was like I'm I I hesitated to pick it
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up and man I'm glad that I did because very quickly I'm I'm talking minutes into this I was like okay I'm excited
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I'm excited once again and I'm I'm ready to tear through this so I listened to it
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on Audible I didn't I didn't actually read the book but I thought it was very well put together and very happy that
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it's my number three it is not my number three but I just finished it last week and we could probably do five
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episodes just on that book and and our thoughts on their thoughts thoughts on thoughts welcome to thoughts for your
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thoughts that's an old Parkson wreck joke if yeah if there's people out there like what are these idiots doing my
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number three is and this is where it gets a little weird I I think I'm correct on this information but it's
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media pressure the untold story of Mara Murray it's a 8 part podcast series told
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by Mara's sister Julie Murray and it came out February 5th of 2024 not 2004 like I had said I thought
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it was an interesting take having a sister and and she's not the only person telling us about
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Mara and her disappearance you know she brings in other individuals but because she's the sister she's able to have
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contacts and have individuals that we might not have heard of in the case so I thought it was very well done I thought
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Julie did a great job and I thought it was a with all these cases you're just trying to put the pieces of the puzzle
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together and I don't know if it puts all the pieces of the puzzle together but I
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it gives us more pieces to play with and try to complete a uh um full picture so
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that's my number three and we'll get to the top two spots right after this quick
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merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you out there you filthy animals all right so we're we're down to the top
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two spots best of 2024 yes and I am currently looking for because we had some coverage on my number
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two selection here and I wanted to look back here it is so on our wonderful show
00:32:11
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fact it's of our own creation but the the book that I'm going to recommend here it was recommended on our show but
00:32:28
also I got the privilege of interviewing the author the title is dead end inside
00:32:35
the hunt for the I70 serial killer and this is by the great Bob ciphers who is an
00:32:43
award-winning journalist and CBS reporter and frankly just one hell of a damn good guy so Bob ciphers was was on
00:32:53
the initial coverage of this case so for those of you that do not know the the first murder in this series took place
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way back in 1992 at the time Bob ciphers was working as a reporter in and near in and around
00:33:08
the St Louis area and they had one of the murders that took place near St Louis and so he hops in his car and he
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goes out there to investigate and do the story for the newspaper at the time this
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I70 serial killer case for me I I get it that everybody's intrigued and have different interest
00:33:28
but for me Captain this one is really you have Jack the Ripper zodiac and then it's the I70 killer for me those are the
00:33:36
ones that just I they they haunt me they they stay in my thoughts they creep into
00:33:42
my my dreams and nightmares and thoughts for thoughts thoughts for thoughts this
00:33:47
case intrigues me I and I'm whoever this killer was it seems like as quickly as they showed up on the scene and started
00:33:55
killing people they've then they very quickly vanish afterwards and it's a killer that seems to have very little
00:34:03
interaction with the victims and the victims seem to be completely at random right locations almost seem at random
00:34:11
yeah and the Killer is called the I70 killer because most of the murders well not most all of the murders take place
00:34:18
somewhere off of Interstate 70 right and in multiple cities across multiple States in a very short period of time so
00:34:27
it's a very unique series of killings and a very unique killer who's still unidentified to this day so when it
00:34:35
comes to unidentified Killers like I said Third only in mystery level for yours truly to Jack the Ripper and the
00:34:44
Zodiac Killer and then to talk further about how great of a guy Bob ciphers is when we were at the last crime con I
00:34:52
walked over to he he was sharing a table with some other authors that are under the same publisher this one is available
00:34:59
on Amazon and also on kindall I I read this one on Kindle and the great thing about Bob was he not only covered the
00:35:07
case in 92 in the Greater St Louis area but they formed a task force so in 2021 they being investigators from the
00:35:20
different jurisdictions where these murders took place created a task force and the task force was smart enough to
00:35:25
say you know what we're going to travel to each of these locations together for Pro for probably the first time we're
00:35:32
going to get investigators from each jurisdiction that will travel arm and arm together in unison to each one of
00:35:39
these locations and review each case together on location and they said you know what we need to document this yeah
00:35:48
oh who we going to get to document it somebody says you know Bob ciphers really did a damn good job covering it
00:35:54
in St Louis back in '92 and stuck with it he stuck with it for years after the afterward after the killer seemed to
00:36:03
disappear into the shadows and so he was the perfect person to document it but when he showed up on scene he wasn't
00:36:10
just documenting and watching what the investigators were doing he was sitting there and in his book he talks about
00:36:16
some of his own thoughts and observations that he made at each one of the crime scenes and he found new people
00:36:24
to interview and potentially some new eyewitnesses many many years later in this case that will
00:36:33
prove to be valuable soon at some point in this ongoing investigation so we're at crime con 2024 earlier this year in
00:36:44
the great city of Nashville Nash Vegas baby Nash Vegas so I go over because I wanted to make sure I said hello to Bob
00:36:51
great conversation I had with him on off the Record which was in came out March 3
00:36:57
30th of 2024 our conversation with Bob ciphers I go over to talk to him he interrupts me and at first I thought my
00:37:06
hair trigger reaction I go this guy's rude just like it's like he's just going to interrupt me he interrupts me Captain
00:37:13
by standing up and hugging me oh like I'm in I'm in mid the second sentence out of my mouth he just stands up grabs
00:37:21
me pulls me in close bear hug action and he goes thank you thank you thank you and I said what's that for Bob I thought
00:37:33
my dumbass I thought he was hugging me because it helped him sell some books he goes Nick that is from the victim's
00:37:40
families I told the victim's families who I've known for all these years that you were kind enough to have me come on
00:37:48
your show to talk about their cases that are still unsolved and several of them told me Bob if you see him in the C give
00:37:58
them a hug and thank them and so Bob Bob gave me that hug and it me man it I tell you what my heart uh it it got
00:38:07
me right in the chest my friend right in the chest the Grinch it grew your heart
00:38:11
grew three sizes that's right it got me right in the chest and and Bob's just a great guy he cares so much about those
00:38:19
people the victims their families in this story and if anybody can help push this thing through and get this suspect
00:38:27
and apprehend somebody and put somebody in prison for this should they still be alive uh I'm glad that Bob's there
00:38:34
helping along the way yeah it's it's fascinating especially going to Crime con and talking to different individuals
00:38:41
about what cases people become obsessed with you know I think a lot of people become obsessed with the John Benet
00:38:49
ramsy case or west Memphis 3 or or cases that there's a lot of documentaries and
00:38:54
books about because you can get your hands on so so much information and then there's these other cases where there's
00:39:01
not as much meat on the bones if you will but they still can swirl around in your brain and and really occupy a lot
00:39:10
of your thoughts so my number two and I'm going to I have to set this up a little bit
00:39:18
it's it's not a shocking one because you had it on your list so I think we're now
00:39:24
two two for two right yes but Harvest of Innocence the untold story of the West Memphis 3 murder case and it was a book
00:39:35
there was no option to get it on Audible look we have a lot of weird [ __ ] going
00:39:41
on in this world uh we can get access to information maybe sometimes too fast and
00:39:48
everything's right at our fingertips and I think sometimes that can Boggle people
00:39:54
down and I Know It boggles me down and just a little a little tip going into the new year for anybody that struggles
00:40:01
with mental health my therapist said to me let's examine some of the points in your life that you can look back and go
00:40:11
in 1994 that was a great year right and start examining well what were you doing
00:40:19
and what brought you enjoyment and are you doing those things today and as cool as it is to to watch a documentary or
00:40:29
easy as it is to watch a documentary or to watch things on YouTube that's why my
00:40:35
number three pick the the untold story of Mara Murray it was a podcast series and I remember getting into podcast and
00:40:45
the podcast series The long form series were so fascinating to me and and would like you said it's how entertaining is
00:40:55
is this a tough watch to get through when I'm reading this book am I just trudging along in the
00:41:03
quicksand and so the reason why my number three spot my number two spot they're they're
00:41:11
really the ways I would have to consume content more so of uh years years in the past right so the fact that
00:41:23
you couldn't get this book I I still don't know if you can get this book on audible but to you know at fir at first
00:41:30
it was like I'm going to force myself to I I I do a little thing at the end of the night where I I charge my phone and
00:41:39
I just check a couple things in my office and then I just kind of sit there and unwind and sometimes I listen to a
00:41:46
podcast sometimes it's a YouTube video maybe I just practice my guitar or whatever but when I got this book I I I
00:41:53
decided I'm just going to spend 20 minutes minutes to an hour every night reading this book and most nights I'd
00:42:00
get to about that hour mark and go H just keep reading you know CU it's it's just a fascinating book but I also think
00:42:10
by reading a book as opposed to listening to a book it it's also a way to slow yourself down so a harvest of
00:42:19
innocence by Dan stum is my number two here we are so we have two both L up yeah top spot two line up we both were
00:42:29
correct on that one let's see if our top one lines up with a harvest of Innocence
00:42:34
I always almost slip and say Harvester of Sorrow the old Metallica song yes all right two very different things don't M
00:42:43
don't mistake them my number one pick and look sometimes this happens but and if
00:42:51
you if you want to tie me up and throw rocks at me and stone me to death in the in Town Square I I'll
00:42:57
understand seems a little aggressive little a little much uh punishment doesn't fit the crime
00:43:05
but my number one is not has not been a recommendation on our show that we often
00:43:11
have not every week but most weeks we have a recommendation most of the times it's a book could be a podcast could be
00:43:18
a documentary but my number one I consumed this I read this at the start of 2024
00:43:27
and in fact it came out middle of the Year 2022 I just never purchased it didn't get to it yet and unfortunately
00:43:36
this one fell at a weird time on our show where I was where I was having to read other things and watch other things
00:43:46
based off of the cases we were covering at the time so while I was reading this book at the same time it never made it
00:43:52
to a recommendation because after several weeks I had kind of put it down I was finished with it and we had recommended
00:44:00
other things and I just thought well we'll get back to it and here we are at the end of 2024 and this is the first
00:44:06
time I'm recommending it to anybody but the the name of the book is shadowman by
00:44:11
Ron francel and this book was brilliantly written by a a man who is a very acclaimed author he's written I
00:44:21
think 17 or 18 books and he's a great non-fiction writer he's a journalist he's covered War he's covered natural
00:44:31
disasters both here and abroad one of his books that I loved is called the darkest KN uh which is a true crime
00:44:39
bestseller but shadowman had everything that the colonel looks for in a true crime book so the full title is
00:44:48
shadowman an elusive psycho killer in the birth of FBI profiling according to the book this is
00:44:57
the first time in history that the FBI's Behavioral Science unit created a psychological profile to catch a serial
00:45:05
killer and we know how you like those profiles I do and and I'm I am a bit of a behavioral science unit Fanboy so I'm
00:45:15
not I'm not ashamed to admit it and I tend to read everything that former members of that unit put out I got my
00:45:23
hands on shadowman it wasn't until this year the case is intriguing so the the case it's actually two cases because he
00:45:32
is was a serial killer the cases go back to the 70s 1973 a 7-year-old girl went missing from a Montana Campground while
00:45:43
her family's there vacationing in the middle of the night this is the stuff of nightmares friends
00:45:49
night absolute nightmares in the middle of the night somebody cut a slit in the tent and pulled her through the slit in
00:45:58
that tent snatching her away from her family in the middle of the night and goes undetected and so we have this
00:46:07
killer and he starts taunting the victim's mother with phone calls and there's another victim here her name is
00:46:16
Susie joerger who was a an adult she was a waitress but this was this book is about
00:46:24
a horrible horrible individual that is so so incredibly evil and his deeds were so incredibly evil that it's shocking
00:46:34
it's only due to the passage of time that many people do not know about this killer so I loved this book I thought it
00:46:42
was great and it was the best True Crime that I read that I consumed in this year
00:46:49
2024 my number one spot is going to Monsters the L and Eric Menendez story this is they consider this the
00:47:01
second season of monster the Anthology series the first season was dmer the Jeffrey dmer story but this same team
00:47:14
are the ones that are responsible for doing the biop pick in the series people versus
00:47:21
OJ and I thought this was so well done that it made me go back and watched the people versus OJ and then made me go
00:47:29
back and watch monster the Jeffrey dmer story and what's so fascinating to me about this
00:47:37
biopic is it did a couple things there's a the way they told the story is I believe it's called like U
00:47:47
rashomon effect is and the way the way they tell the story is from multiple perspectives at the same time so
00:47:58
there'll be a scene where you know some look everybody knows that they killed their
00:48:06
parents but it's why did they do it the why becomes the most important thing the
00:48:14
why is going to be whether they get a few years behind bars or they spend the Le the rest of their life in
00:48:22
jail so it's so fascinating because there's there'll be a scene that points to them
00:48:31
as as abused victims that ended up killing their abuser and then there's other scenes that paint them as well
00:48:41
they weren't abused they were just getting rid of their parents so they could inherit the
00:48:46
money and it's just so well done and to really see the genius of it if you only watch it one time and I know it's a long
00:48:57
series but if you watch it for the second time you will start seeing the The Genius of how they had to lay this
00:49:05
out and it also makes me excited for which I guess they'll call it their third season of monster which will be
00:49:16
the Ed G story and I believe it's going to be titled the original Monster so that is my number one intriguing well
00:49:25
Captain you've given me some ideas on things that I should be watching and reading and intrigued to
00:49:32
see what they do with the Ed Gan story as well yeah I'm it's tough I mean I like I said I I so badly wanted because
00:49:44
Ryan Murphy and his team did you know American Horror and I every time one of these comes out because I you don't want
00:49:51
them to glorify killers in any way shape or form but when the dmer one came out which
00:50:00
made me go back and I end up watching some documentary where it's like dmer tapes or something in his own words and
00:50:08
when they're showing pictures of D's apartment if you ask me is that the set of monster or is that D's real apartment
00:50:21
I couldn't tell you because that's how well they do of recreating these scenes and Rec creating these real life
00:50:28
characters and putting them onto uh screen and maybe a documentary or a book might change your mind a little bit of
00:50:39
how you view a case I didn't ever think a biopic would make me change my viewpoint on a case
00:50:47
and and they were able to do that so again I I just think it's a a fascinating Series
00:50:55
so top five of 2024 I'm got to pull back up my list I had it number five who killed Robert
00:51:06
Juan number four Cold Case who killed John Benet Ramsey that's on Netflix number three media pressure the untold
00:51:16
story of Mara Murray a eight part podcast series number two a book a harvest of innocence by Dan sto the
00:51:27
untold story of the West Memphis 3 murder case and then number one monster the Lyall and Eric
00:51:36
Menendez brothers biopic on Netflix and I had it number five as did you who killed Robert
00:51:44
Juan the documentary series on peacock number four again from your list a harvest of innocence by Dan stum new
00:51:54
friend of the show as of 2024 a fantastic audio book a foreign faction by James Kohler then we have at number
00:52:03
two dead end inside the hunt for the interstate 70 serial killer by again new friend of the show Bob ciphers who we
00:52:11
met at crime con con and my number one was shadowman an elusive psycho killer in the birth of FBI profiling by Ron
00:52:21
Fran cell and we would love to hear your top five so when we post this on social
00:52:28
media or on the blog go to tr garage.com and post your top five on there if you want to would love to get your
00:52:37
recommendations and happy holidays safe travels and until next week be good be kind and don't litter
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