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[Music] there's been a lot of developments here in the Asia degree case unfortunately
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now 2 years 25 years since this little girl has been missing from the greater Shelby North Carolina area she went
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missing Valentine's Day morning 2000 a lot of the information that has been really strong that's coming out in the
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story is from the good Folks at WBTV and here is a story that they were running just days ago Asia degree update
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warrants revealed new details including text messages in the case of a girl who went missing in 2000 newly obtained
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search warrants have revealed additional details in the case of Asia degree who vanished 25 5 years ago at the age of n
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the latest documents obtained by WBTV suggest a possible connection between The Disappearance of Asia who went
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missing from her home and a Cleveland County North Carolina family not a person not an individual a family in
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September the FBI executed multiple search warrants and identified Roy Deadman d d m o n Deadman and his family
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as individuals or Persons of Interest the warrant named deadmond and his wife Connie and their three daughters as
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Persons of Interest very bizarre very bizarre the daughters names are they're all married now so we have a a change in
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last name so Anna Lee deadmond Ramirez Lizzie deadmond Foster and Sarah deadmond Capital I'm guessing these
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girls were roughly around Asia's age at the time she went missing yes and no they were all older than than Asia and
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authorities also stated that at the time so th this is where these this story again it's 25 years later I
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understand there's little reason to believe that we're going to find Asia alive and well
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and but this is all this is that kick to the stomach again when you read these stories this line right here authorities
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also stated at the time that they believe Asia degree was killed that these these girls so if if any of these
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daughters had involvement in her disappearance or whatever happened to Asia right they're sort of saying here
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that because of their ages at the time they believe that at least one of the daughters would had to have had some
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kind of Assistance or help because she would have been quite young at the time and we're going to go through this
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information it will start to make sense as we delve into it now we should state right out the gate here that the
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deadmond family has denied any and all involvement in the case of course they have well they may have nothing to do
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with the case I we don't know but we're going to review the evidence we'll we'll
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take a look at it and see what it might mean but this is to show show everybody that the investigation is continuing and
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they are uncovering evidence and new evidence and I think that they're going to uncover even more here hopefully soon
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so last year in September there was a search warrant that was issued actually several search warrants that were issued
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because Roy Lee deadmond is pretty successful and he owns his him and his wife own several properties so when they
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went to go get a search warrant Captain they actually got search warrants for multiple properties so they could search
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as many as possible so these searches took place in September of last year now we should
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note here that today Roy Lee deadmond is 80 years of age and I believe his wife is his same
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is the same age we have so he would have been 55 at the time correct we have his
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attorney or the family's attorney his name is David Teddy who is on the record and has spoken openly to the media
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regarding these searches so he's been talking to the media since September of last year attorney Teddy says in a
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statement that my clients have been interviewed by law enforcement and authorities uh they have denied any
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involvement in The Disappearance of Asia degree he says the attorney says at a news conference telling reporters that
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he has reviewed the warrant for the dead men's property and he wanted to address
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any and all false rumors that were being spread about his client we should remind
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everybody here as of the this recording no criminal charges have been filed against anybody nobody has been arrested
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regarding the case of Asa degree we should also say too because this was the large speculation that was coming out
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right out the gate in September the story that was coming out that everybody was kind of
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regurgitating on social media and on the internet was was this that there was a deathbed confession and that remains
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were found on a property in Shelby North Carolina we can confirm for you per a statement from the FBI that no remains
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were found during the execution of these search warrants right we can also confirm for you that there was no
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deathbed confession and there was nobody that passed away close to the Deadman's
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or in the Deadman family in September of last year the attorney goes on to say if
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you read the search warrant affidavits it may be more clear to you why there was a search so this particular property
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one of the properties is 621 Cherryville Road and some other locations and he goes on to say quote I think there will
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also be information in that search warrant that sadly will link a person to the circumstances of Asia's
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disappearance that is no longer living not saying that the person that was named in the search warrant had anything
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to do with their disappearance again these are his words but it is very possible that that person who is no
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longer here has the answer as to what happened to Asia that all according to the attorney so what we would like to do
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and I think what is I would like to review the search warrant information first because we have a couple of things
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to get to here in regard to where this investigation may be heading and where the evidence in the investigation may
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lead us as we continue on the search for Asia degree 25 years later with a case that has so many questions it's
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fascinating to feel that the dominoes are falling and at any time we could get answered to this case
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and to what happened and to all these questions that this case lends itself to have the search War information that I
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could find here Captain there there were two that are available and they are one
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is seven pages long one is I believe nine pages long but it's not necessary to review everything here on this show
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what we're going to get is to the into the meat and potato of it if you will the first page or two is just pretty
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textbook stuff and information that you would expect to find in a application for a search warrant what where it gets
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interesting is on page three of one of the warrants it states it goes through a very
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brief description of when ASA went missing so a paragraph roughly about February 14th 2000 but within that
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paragraph Captain it includes that it says that she was seen by drivers walking along North Carolina Highway 18
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in Shelby North Carolina Asia degree was seen being pulled into a 1970s green Lincoln or Thunderbird or another
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similar vehicle Asia degree has not been seen since that time then they go on to
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say on August in August of 2001 evidence belonging to Asia degree was Loc located
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in Burke County North Carolina on the side of Highway 18 approximately this the warrant says 21 mil north of where
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Asia degree was last seen a construction crew working in the area located the evidence and turned it over to Cleveland
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County Sheriff's Office so those were the items that we discussed in part one of this week's
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coverage numerous items they state of evidence were collected from the area some having been identified as belonging
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to Asia degree and other items not belonging to ASA degree various items of evidence were sent for analysis two of
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those items return evidentiary results genealogy data narrowed the samples down to two individuals so they found genetic
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material of two individuals that are not Asia degree on some of the items that were found back in 2001 right that makes
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sense and it states one sample belong to a Russell Bradley Underhill right he's not part of the Deadman family we'll get
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into him in a little bit right another sample belonged to a hereditary family member of suspects Roy deadmond and
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Connie deadmond investigators determin Russell Bradley Underhill lived in at least one facility operated by Roy Lee
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deadmond and Connie deadmond during the time Asia degree was reported as a missing person
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Russell Bradley Underhill was discovered deceased in Lincoln County in 2004 okay
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so we talked about how Roy and Connie own several properties some of these properties are medical type facilities
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for older persons the elderly rehabilitation centers and such and when I see a rehab I don't think we're
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talking about drug or alcohol rehab I think we're talking about physical yeah physical rehabilitation yeah this
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Russell Bradley Underhill that they found his DNA among the items that were in that double bagged the double trash
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bag situation in the construction site he lived and this is the part that's a little hazy for me but it sounds like he
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either lived on some of their more personal properties like like a rental renter situation may have even lived
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there for free but lived in a home or a property and or lived at one of these Rehabilitation elderly yeah I think
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that's the initial concern with this search warrant is when somebody owns multiple pieces of property is the
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connection directly to them or just directly to somebody that occupies one of their facilities well and you can
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hear from what we said earlier regarding the family's attorney he is stating that
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the search warrants are not in regard to my client but the search warrants were filed because of somebody who's not no
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longer here is what he says somebody who is deceased so the person he's referencing there clearly is this
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Russell Bradley Underhill right he he was discovered deceased in Lincoln County in 2004 he wasn't that old a
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little background on him I think he passed away in his mid 50s and it's stated that he had a lot of issues he
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was a Vietnam vet or I shouldn't say Vietnam vet he was a an army vet it's reported that he had
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an alcohol or substance abuse problem right at the time of his death they don't give a cause of death for him he
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was found basically slumped over on a couch in his dwelling and he he had last been seen approximately 2 days prior
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before he passed away and we'll get into him with some more information as we go
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but that's the deceased person that the attorney is referencing now some more information about the Deadman family Roy
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and Connie Share three children in common identified as Lizzy Grace Deadman who now has the last name Foster Sarah
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Gwyn deadmond with now with the last name kappal and Anna Lee Victoria deadmond who now has the last name
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Ramirez so I'm going to quit saying all four of their names and just shorten it as we go through please do thank you the
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oldest daughter is Lizzy Foster she lives in Texas the middle daughter is Sarah kapple she still lives in North
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Carolina the youngest daughter is this Anna Lee Ramirez who also lives in North Carolina laboratory analysis of
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collected DNA samples indicate that the likelihood that the so they found a hair
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sample that the hair sample that they found the hair evidence that they found from Asia
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degrees undershirt which was recovered at this construction site is genetically identical to the DNA collected from the
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Anna Lee Ramirez the very youngest daughter in 2000 in February of 2000 when Asia went missing yeah Lizzy the
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oldest was 16 Sarah the middle child was 15 and Anna Lee the youngest was 13 and then
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they go on to state in this search warrant that due to the ages of Roy and Connie's three daughters in the year of
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200000 investigators believe adult assistance from Roy and Connie would have been necessary in the execution and
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or concealment of the crime suspects Roy and spouse Connie currently reside in separate residences from one another Roy
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and Connie are the two common links between the pro files of Russell Bradley Underhill the deceased man and Anna Lee
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Ramirez this is how this kind of plays out the DNA that they got from this Russell Underhill was from the trash bag
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they don't tell us what kind of DNA it was it's possible that it was just simply touch DNA we know that that is
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something that you can collect from an item or material that is similar to a trash bag but the DNA that they found of
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Anna Lee Ramirez is a hair that was in Asia's undershirt one of the articles of clothing that was found in the backpack
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I have so many questions but I'm I'm holding back cuz I feel like you're going to get to the answers why don't
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you hit me with a question or two here because part of the what's interesting is not only is this search warrant for
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items like we would typically see but they went a step further I I think they asked them to submit DNA now we do know
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that a DNA Buckle swab was collected from Roy I don't know if we have like a 23 and me or ancestry.com or or one of
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those websites that provided the Anna Le Ramirez DNA this same document states that a buckle swab was collected from
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Roy on September 10th the the statements where they're saying that they have already connected Anna Lee Ramirez by
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DNA to Asia's undershirt that document was filed the day before on September 9th so
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that indicates to me that they already had her DNA somehow some way and it doesn't appear to be that they obtained
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it using a search warrant so they're calling this family suspects and that's not something they that's not a term
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that they throw around lightly but these items are found with a individual that has passed away
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because where my head initially goes is okay well this guy's DNA is there and we
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we know that he's responsible for these items or or these items being found in that location and he's connected to
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those items and then these other girls are connected to the items are they involved somehow or are
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they also possible victims of this individual none of that is clear at this moment
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and those are very good questions and and the and the reason why I bring that up as far as calling this family
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suspects they don't throw around that term loosely because so to me that means it could mean a couple things are they
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throwing around that term to put pressure on the family to come forward with information that law enforcement
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believes they have or is it that they actually think they're involved somehow well
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with this evidence you go where the evidence leads you and this evidence tells you they have information or that
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they should have some kind of information because they you have evidence that they either
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handled these items so they were in direct contact with them or right somehow this
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evidence makes its way and look I'm pointing this out because one of the persons we're talking about here was 13
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at the time that Asia went missing we should point out too would have been 14 at the time that this
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evidence was found we don't know I don't think that anybody can say with any good
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level of certainty when those trash bags were placed where they were found but we
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usually don't see 13-year-old girls being wrapped up in a murder case and we have seen in the past and
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reviewed other cases where somebody's has there's a physical breadcrumb trail from victim to an
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individual because maybe a victim was in the same car as this individual had been
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at one time there any number of reasons right the other thing I what's what's strange to me and not strange in the way
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that they've not released the information just strange that I want to know more is we know where they got the
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girl's DNA from it was from a from a hair right they pulled they pulled it off of the stem of a hair that was found
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on the undershirt what is not clear we're told that they found Russell underhills DNA on the trash bag but we
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don't know what was that blood saliva semen or just simply touch DNA I'm guessing I have to guess here because
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touch DNA is is very delicate often times it's quite delicate and we talked about the trash bags it
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was double bagged I'm thinking that that means that they found the Russell underhills DNA on the bag inside of the
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other bag that this second trash bag preserved his DNA and then you go well what in the hell this is 23 years after
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they found 22 23 years after they found this evidence but touch DNA is becoming something that is more used today
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because back then the technology on it was dicey it wasn't something that you saw being used in 2001 and two and three
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a lot this may be DNA evidence that they have that they just pulled relatively recently but what have we seen
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throughout the course of this investigation they've had information that they know about they've held on to
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they've kept it under wraps and they've continued to quietly in investigate the case
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with their new evidence before they release it to the public so they could have been sitting on this in 2020 2021
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22 and working it before we find out about this last September and because he was already
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deceased that allowed them to feel comfortable working it they likely had I don't I don't know I'm trying to make
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heads or Tales of this but they have two DNA profiles it would seem that the hair
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would be the easiest to get and now we're learning all of this information here's a quick rundown of what I was
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able to find about Russell Bradley Underhill he's a white male he was never married he passed away at the age of
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54 he was born in 1950 in Connecticut passed away or resided in lincol town or lincolon North Carolina that's oddly
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enough the same location it's very close to Shelby this is where asa's mother had
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worked at one time she worked in the the town of lincolon he had a 12th grade education the autopsy findings of his
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death are not considered in determining cause of death so he he resided at a at a hospital at some point during his life
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right and he died they believe December 27th 2004 and as I said said they they don't
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seem to know exactly how he died but it appears to be natural causes I did say something about Vietnam vet or or being
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a a veteran at one time I I want to walk that back a little bit here captain that
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was something that I believe that I uncovered in in in my research on him but I'm now looking at my notes that is
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not indicated in my notes here but his age puts him in the same age range as the father of this family roughly yes so
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he would be a few years younger than the father right so then you wonder if there's a connection other than just you
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know is he a renter or is he a resident at one of their locations that they owned or was it something more was he a
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family friend was he a friend of the fathers or or friend of the mothers well it from my understanding it's been
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reported that he lived in more than one location that has ties to Roy deadmond or is owned by Roy deadmond
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and we haven't even got to the vehicle that was seized from one of the properties back in September of
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cheers to you Colonel cheers to everybody out there sometimes when we're covering these cases I have to remind
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myself our job is not to always give answers or give our opinion of what we think is happening sometimes it's just
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to pass on the information that we're learning to the public so that maybe the public can help law enforcement with
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this investigation so we have I believe two more things to get to we we have another search warrant and we have some
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text messages we want to start off with the the next search warrant yeah so and we can skip a large part of the the for
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first portion of the second search warrant keep in mind so we have multiple properties that are being searched
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but this other search warrant contains some information that was not in the one that we previously discussed and from my
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understanding we're talking about another property here 601 Cherryville Road and from search warrant number two
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it states this is page I believe it's page 11 on September 11th 2024 investigators approached 601 Cherryville
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Road and spoke to the current occupant redacted something else redacted has lived at the residence for approximately
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five years he states there are three rooms locked with padlocks so the reason why the
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occupant's name is redacted it's because it's not any of the Deadman's but this is a Deadman property so this person is
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either leasing renting or staying there by permission from somebody in the deadmond family the person that occupies
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this house says to law enforcement there are three rooms locked with padlocks that have remained locked since he moved
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in he moved in five years prior to this he stated that Roy deadmond advised him that his personal property are in these
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three rooms and they're not to be opened he's never opened them on September 10th
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of last year Lori deadmond was interviewed about the case I apologize Lowa is her name and she says that
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several years ago she saw Roy digging a chest deep hole on the property of 601 Cherryville Road this makes it that
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information's made its way to law enforcement it sounds like it was only like a 6 to 8 inch dent in the ground
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that was discovered but it's obvious that the ground was Disturbed for some unknown
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reason yeah they found a 6 to 8 in dent in my skull I probably could walk my backyard and find several dents in the
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backyard that have nothing to do with anything other than Mother Earth is our ruler and I'm just happy to be here the
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the search warrant goes on to say based on the applicant's training and experience so who is that the the the
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officer filing for the search warrant wants to tell the courts this is something that's good for the the lay
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person to know and understand as well something we talk about regularly here on the show this officer is saying that
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based off a training experience this officer knows that when a crime occurs there is often a transfer of physical
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evidence the transfer of physical evidence may occur between the victim and the crime scene the suspect and the
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crime scene and or between the crime scene the victim and the suspect the transfer of evidence may also occur in
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vehicles or modes of transportation used by a suspect to flee a crime it is also
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a well-known fact that people in general keep personal effects clothing newspaper
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clippings VHS CDs DVDs memor rebelia photographs childhood possessions and such at their regular place or domicile
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it is probable and likely that Sarah Deadman now Sarah kappal remove personal effects Andor evidence pertaining to the
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investigation of Asia degrees disappearance when she moved residences it is possible and
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likely personal effects belonging to Asia degree along with other forensic Andor trace evidence relevant to this
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investigation will be located at the residence of 601 Cherryville Road based on the above mentioned facts the
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applicant believes probable cause exists to search the property Vehicles out buildings and such okay so now we get a
00:36:41
a short list of what was removed from what items were seized two silver disposable cameras film micro VHS tapes
00:36:53
an LG flip phone a journal written by Lizzy a journal written by Anna Lee the two daughters DSS complaint documents
00:37:03
transport logs here we go Captain this is the the big one green in color AMC Rambler now part of this document here
00:37:13
following the green in color AMC Rambler is redacted so we don't know what it says here and I tell you what if you
00:37:19
gave me oh it's the VIN number I can tell you exactly I could tell you the VIN number if I wanted to it's the VIN
00:37:25
number that's been redacted documents containing Russell underhill's name so any document that contained this dude's
00:37:31
name they took it from the property They confiscated a black trash bag car heart
00:37:37
jeans children's clothing silver cell phone and 22 caliber rifle now none of these items really mean anything at all
00:37:45
none of them have asa's name on them they are collecting these items hoping to hoping that any of them may yield
00:37:52
some evidence but what we should point out is that green and color AMC Rambler is not unlike the vehicle that was
00:38:01
described when we get that information coming out that she may have been pulled into a 1970s model green vehicle right
00:38:10
the vehicle that was towed away from the property last September has frontend damage to the vehicle what I could not
00:38:18
see is does it have rust around the wheel wells because that was something in that description when it first came
00:38:25
out that there was rust around one or more of the wheel wells of the vehicle that she was seen getting into or pulled
00:38:32
into now the problem with that is it would be easy for one I don't think that that confirms anything because it would
00:38:39
be easy to believe that in the course of 24 years that a car from the 1970s May rust in places that didn't
00:38:52
have rust on the day the ASA degree disappeared correct but what happens here is look I wanted to make sure that
00:39:00
I praised law enforcement on this case for good reason everything I see here man is that they are working this
00:39:08
thing like crazy they they are working and here's why these text messages don't you have to believe that they've already
00:39:17
that that they already put a trace or that they're tracking their phones because the text messages that we are
00:39:26
about to review are text messages between two of the daughters and one of their husbands and
00:39:33
we'll get into every bit of it after those search warrants were executed right what do we always say you get your
00:39:40
suspect or people that know the suspects and may have intimate knowledge of the crime or or who's responsible and crank
00:39:48
that heat up to 11 baby and see what happens see how they sweat and see how they react that's what they're doing
00:39:55
that's why they didn't hesitate to call them suspects as opposed to just I I think they're being called suspects now
00:40:01
but the information I I've not seen the word suspect I've seen Persons of Interest but I don't think it's a leap
00:40:09
for us here to say that that's what they are thinking right let's start with September 10th we know that some of the
00:40:16
search warrants were taking place the day before on the 9th one of the sisters kappal I'll just go last name here
00:40:23
because we got a lot to get into kappal to Foster one sister to the other sister
00:40:28
is saying they think it's our shirt it's not her shirt and then says her mom said
00:40:36
it wasn't hers again cap Foster says I don't remember that shirt I'm scared though
00:40:42
dad is probably going to be a huge suspect and you can really read into these texts whatever you want like dad
00:40:49
is going to be a huge suspect could mean either these daughters know something or
00:40:54
just they're they're not idiots and they understand that okay our family's been tied to this case somehow again this
00:41:02
becomes very complex because they own these properties and then did they ever take any of their items that they owned
00:41:13
and donate to any of the people living in these facilities or renting from them you have a um property that
00:41:23
you're renting from somebody you you know that this individual's down on their luck they could use some shirts
00:41:29
some some clothes hey we'll take some items from our family donate it to them you got these here's a little
00:41:39
girl's New Kids on the Block shirt to keep it warm at night but we don't know is is it a little kid shirt
00:41:46
or is it an adult-sized shirt that cuz sometimes people would buy bigger shirts their kids would wear those shirts to
00:41:55
bed all I'm saying is that there's multiple ways to look at this and so one could go well these sisters
00:42:02
are saying I don't even remember that shirt but somehow they're connecting this to
00:42:08
us and they're connecting this to our family so well guess what dad's going to be a suspect I'm just trying to play
00:42:15
Devil's Advocate as far as if they're innocent of any wrongdoing well keep in mind the shirt that the hair evidence
00:42:24
was found on is not the same as the New Kids on the block shirt right the shirt that they don't remember is the New Kids
00:42:31
on the Block shirt not the shirt that because there's they're specifically saying the mom says it wasn't hers well
00:42:38
we all know the shirt that they found the hair on it was as's the New Kids on the Block shirt
00:42:45
I I don't look I don't read too much into it to this whole thing about the shirt with this portion of the
00:42:53
conversation I wouldn't expect a one of these women as about 40 years old I wouldn't expect for her to
00:43:02
remember a shirt from 25 years ago whether it was hers her sisters or didn't belong to the family at all now
00:43:11
we have one of the other sisters this is Ramirez to Foster saying Lizzie you don't need to be talking to anyone I'm
00:43:18
at the lawyer's office now they have advised us to not talk to them without representation now one of the sisters is
00:43:26
talking to her ex-husband so this is Foster to her ex-husband says this is going to get nothing but worse I'm
00:43:34
talking to my doctor at 5 to get something for my nerves I am just so worried I mean it's a nightmare that's
00:43:41
going to keep getting worse I can see nothing good happening see that doesn't seem good at all because if you were
00:43:48
innocent and your family was innocent every member of your family was innocent of any wrongdoing I don't think
00:43:56
this would affect your nerves that much we're innocent it's no big deal law enforcement's going to figure this out
00:44:03
but if you know something bad happen or you you know your father's responsible or you know your sister's responsible
00:44:09
you know there's some kind of cover up happening you know there was some possible accident that they then tried
00:44:17
to cover up the accident with a crime then hey I need to go to the doctors get something prescribed for
00:44:28
the [ __ ] storm that's coming our way now I want everybody to keep in mind that
00:44:33
Foster the last name Foster belongs to the oldest of the three daughters that will become important here very quickly
00:44:42
the ex-husband says to her oh no I hate it for you all she replies there is no way this is going to be okay I talked to
00:44:52
David Teddy he's the attorney that we already mentioned in our coverage she goes on to say the theory is I did
00:45:00
it an accident covered it up this is her now talking to one of the sisters that the last bit that I just went through
00:45:10
and the sister then replies no why would it be you and she replies that's what he
00:45:18
said he the attorney Foster to her ex-husband I feel so horrible so so horrible I don't know what to do I
00:45:26
caused this that is very you can you can speculate and you can look at a lot of different stuff right I'll go here at
00:45:36
you played devil ad Devil's Advocate a minute ago I'll play it here I caused this may mean that she something she did
00:45:46
has a direct result in the death of Asia degree it could also mean that something
00:45:53
she did has a direct result as to why her family's being investigated right because that's what
00:45:59
they're talking about they're not they're they're not openly talking about covering it up or what exactly happened
00:46:06
they just keep referencing that they're nervous about stuff they're nervous about the current state of everything
00:46:11
and she's simply saying I caused this so we're gonna we're going to keep walk try
00:46:15
to we're going to stay neutral here we're going to try to stay water as we go through this right but doesn't it
00:46:20
seem like their attorney is called them into the office to have a conversation of where he thinks law
00:46:28
enforcement is going with the investigation yes so let's give a little bit of background information for people who
00:46:35
are not following currently following the case are statements out there that the oldest daughter remember she would
00:46:42
have been 16 roughly at the time that Asia went missing that she used the vehicle that was towed away that was
00:46:52
seized in the search warrant or a vehicle similar to that to transport persons that so these would be
00:47:02
like patients of those facilities that sometimes she was tasked with transporting or driving persons
00:47:11
that lived at those facilities I don't know whether it's a doctor's appointments dentist appointments what
00:47:15
have you but those are the statements that are out there in fact the statement is that the oldest daughter was at one
00:47:23
time in charge of not in charge of but did have the duty of transporting patients in an unreliable vehicle I
00:47:33
believe is what the statement is and while that doesn't give us a high level of clarity it is it does seem to be a
00:47:43
factual statement that that's not that's no longer a debate that it's been proven
00:47:51
that she at some point when she was 16 17 years of age around the time that ASA went missing that she did Drive these
00:47:59
patients around in an unreliable vehicle I would venture off to say that that a vehicle that is 20 to 30 years
00:48:10
old might be referred to as an unreliable vehicle yeah especially one that's covered in Rust so there's a lot
00:48:18
of I'm going to skip if anybody wants to find this there it is available to dig through there's a lot of like I feel bad
00:48:26
I feel hor I don't know that we need to just repeat all of that I think what we need to do
00:48:31
is find what is is there anything damning here yeah I mean we could spend days going through the text messages and
00:48:40
then speculating for or against these suspects but in their defense there is some statements here where one sister's
00:48:50
telling the other to just be compliant right like hey they're going to they're they're doing an investig
00:48:57
just be compant with their investigation so that presents something in a slightly
00:49:02
different light because there's a lot of talk of I'm nervous I'm afraid this is going to get worse this is a
00:49:08
disaster but then there's this one sister kapple says to Foster I think they're going to come at you again you
00:49:15
just go and be compliant yeah again it's hard to know which way to speculate but
00:49:22
if their father is responsible for something and he's convinced their family to cover for him at some point
00:49:30
does the family members that were covering for him just go hey look this thing happened it was bad it's just time
00:49:37
for us just to tell the truth tell what we know and the chips will fall the way they fall but some of this conversation
00:49:46
seems to be that this isn't the first time that there's been discussions within this
00:49:52
family about this investigation mhm which is all Al very strange right like why are they so wrapped up in this
00:50:00
investigation before the search warrants or before the Scientific evidence then I'm also uh speculating that at some
00:50:08
point the lawyer through his Communications with law enforcement is going hey well maybe they are
00:50:15
monitoring phone activity text messages any digital communication so that needs to stop so
00:50:24
at some point that those these conversations might have stopped because they're tipped off to the fact that they
00:50:31
might be monitoring everything that we do well they know now if they didn't know before they certainly or if they
00:50:38
don't know now they yeah if they have a comp computer if they have a computer which I I say this jokingly but uh we
00:50:46
know They confiscated a lot of computers but uh well they might not have a computer now yeah well so what I what
00:50:53
I'm referencing by saying that it seems like they've talked about this inves a prior is this right here so we got Capal
00:51:00
to Foster sisters sisters says I think if they come at you again you just go and be compliant that's what
00:51:08
I'm planning on doing the reply to that is I think so too honestly I mean I want to do what Dad
00:51:17
says but damn the reply to that is and maybe we should have let you do what you originally wanted to do see that's what
00:51:26
I mean by talked about this investigation before right the reply to that is I don't know I really don't know
00:51:34
the reply to I don't know is right you don't want something we do or say impact him but we also can't be living like
00:51:42
this either I mean I told him I'm not going to do that and I guess we have to believe that they're talking about their
00:51:50
father here right again that makes me think that the father is saying hey guys we got to be united front this is what
00:51:58
we're going to do and the sisters are going we've done that it hasn't worked we got to just tell what we know and if
00:52:07
that affects our father that affects our father but but the direction that he's given us and given our family this is
00:52:15
not healthy this is not a good direction if he is referencing the father then this later statement from one sister to
00:52:22
the other is he was just like I will call Teddy again that's the attorney and we can go get a polygraph
00:52:29
with with the sorry we can go get a polygraph with the honest people I think what they're saying trying to say here
00:52:37
is go get a PO polygraph and be honest with the people right sister to sister again Capal to Foster says I really just
00:52:45
don't have it in me to go through what you have been through the response is it's been hell
00:52:53
yeah reply just hearing about your situation has made me a disaster hearing about it and the sister
00:53:01
replies oh I'm sorry cap to Foster I just can't even imagine going through that and the reply
00:53:08
is but you all have dealt with other stuff that I haven't yeah I don't even know where to take that or where to
00:53:17
speculate okay so remember what I had said earlier when we talked about the sisters and their current living
00:53:25
situations oldest one Foster who a lot of this conversation she's in the middle of a
00:53:30
lot of this conversation she lives in Texas so what I think that there's what she's referencing there of you all have
00:53:39
been through a lot that I haven't had to deal with saying I can't imagine going through that I think what's going on
00:53:45
here is that they've been investigating this family for some time prior to what the public has become aware of that
00:53:54
they've spoke to these individuals or want wanted to speak with them and made it clear to the family that they want to
00:53:59
talk to them and I think that the oldest sister is saying to the other sister you
00:54:04
all have had to deal with a lot that I have not and I think that's simply because she lives in Texas and is
00:54:10
probably not being troubled by investigators because she doesn't live anywhere close to the investigation well
00:54:18
not only the investigators but the public of the surrounding area she's in Texas out of out of mine people in Texas
00:54:28
might not be following this case but anybody in that area that knows about the H gree case is talking about this
00:54:37
speculating about this and now we have this family these suspects or Persons of Interest or however you want to label
00:54:45
them and that Community is now I bet the rumor mill is going nuts well yeah and I
00:54:52
think the rumor mill will continue to go nuts because people were trying people are doing what we are trying to do or
00:54:58
attempting to do and make heads or tails out of these text messages that have now
00:55:04
been made public and wanting to go okay well does this are these admissions of guilt I see them I reviewed them and I
00:55:13
don't think necessarily that they are to me it appears that it's an admission admission is not the correct
00:55:21
word but it's an insight for us now that these text messages have been made public that this investigation wasn't
00:55:29
new to to Roy Deadman's family in September of last year right you know what I'm saying like so what I'm saying
00:55:37
is I don't think that they showed up to serve these search warrants and the dead
00:55:40
men family had no idea that police were interested in talking to them I think that there there have been conversations
00:55:48
between them and police prior to those search warrants now question for you if you're law enforcement do you just
00:55:55
release all the text messages to the public let the public sift them out or do you think this is a situation where
00:56:02
they're picking and choosing and maybe not you know well let's just put out enough of the text messages to imply
00:56:11
some kind of guilt some kind of involvement that will put a little more uh fuel on the fire if you will and then
00:56:19
hold back the more damning text messages um that's really tough for me to speculate on because I have the same
00:56:29
question so what we said earlier was monitoring their phones if in fact that's where these came from
00:56:37
this information comes from what are the investigators doing they're cranking the
00:56:41
heat up to 11 and let's see how they sweat let's see how they react the investigators may have not got to 11 yet
00:56:49
this might they might only be at s or 8 they may be slowly cranking and turning up the heat and this may have been a
00:56:56
tactic of releasing some here's what the information tells me here's what the evidence tells me
00:57:03
yeah somebody in this family knows something probably more than one person knows something they're a little too
00:57:09
squeamish about everything for somebody not to know something in this family they're a little too squeamish for
00:57:18
likely two or more people to not know something now where I will try to sympathize is the
00:57:27
daughters who are now under the microscope grown women they were still children when Asia went missing and may
00:57:38
very well have nothing to do with The Disappearance of Asia degree I'm not saying that they don't I'm saying that
00:57:44
they very well may not have anything to do with The Disappearance that they are simply roped into all this due to prox
00:57:56
it of Russell of this Russell uphill or this or their father or their mother yeah or it's possible that there was an
00:58:06
accident that they're responsible for and their father decided this is the actions we're going to take to protect
00:58:16
my daughters and that's maybe something they didn't agree with at the time but they went along with it because of their
00:58:23
father if I'm law enforced and I'm in a room with this attorney I'm saying looky
00:58:30
here man you think it's hot now you think you're sweating now I'm going to get all Richard Simmons up in this B and
00:58:40
we're going to be sweating to the oldies so I go back to the shirt the image that
00:58:44
we saw that we've all seen I would wager a Franklin is not the actual shirt that
00:58:49
they recovered from the backpack site if this is as simple as 16-year-old daughter transporting somebody Russell
00:58:58
in the vehicle it's the middle of the night it's dark nobody expects to see somebody in the middle of the road or on
00:59:04
the side of the road remember one trucker said that one person passer by said that they were going to turn around
00:59:12
they were worried that the person would be hit be struck by a vehicle yeah what if she was what if the damage to the
00:59:19
front of that vehicle has something to do with somebody being struck by that vehicle I view it and I don't think that
00:59:25
it it it doesn't looked to Me Like Somebody ASA was 65 lbs according to the missing persons report that went out on
00:59:32
the day that she was reported missing it looks to be substantial damage to me much more than but then again I've never
00:59:40
hit a 65 pound person or any person for that matter well you could also hit an individual and hit something else at the
00:59:48
same time or or react and hit something else afterwards but then it also makes you question if this car was involved in
00:59:59
a crime or an accident that led to a death why keep it around why not try to destroy it especially when you own
01:00:09
multiple properties you own land why why keep it around and then murderers keep guns murder murderers keep guns keep
01:00:20
murders keep knives I'm not saying that it's the smart thing to do I'm just saying it happens well but I don't have
01:00:26
a good answer for it cuz some murderers keep souvenirs but this wouldn't be a murderer this would be an accident yeah
01:00:34
but I I don't I'm saying that I think a lot of times too when somebody keeps a knife or a gun it's not for the purpose
01:00:40
of it being a souvenir it's just because they they that's a decision thr away they're [ __ ] dumb that's what it is
01:00:47
sorry there's smart people and there's dumb people and this may just be a dumb move by somebody or somebody or the
01:00:54
other thing too is let me throw this at you if a 16-year-old child is driving Mom or Dad's vehicle and hits somebody
01:01:03
and and somehow covers it up with the help of another adult who is not Mom and Dad they may not have any choice in the
01:01:10
matter of what we do with this vehicle it's not theirs I want to stay on the shirt for a while here
01:01:18
because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense let's say Okay police say the book was not as's the shirt was not ases I
01:01:28
really think it's an oversight I think the book was ases I think it came from her school none of these daughters went
01:01:34
to the same school as Asia degree there's no connection there if in fact somebody in this family has involvement
01:01:40
in whatever happened to Asia degree you have to remove that book it doesn't make
01:01:45
any sense it doesn't connect victim to anybody else it it really has more ties to the victim than anybody else the
01:01:53
shirt the shirt doesn't seem to have a tie to ASA degree it seems to have a tie to somebody else if you
01:02:02
accidentally hit someone or killed someone and you wanted to dispose of any evidence of that happening why would you
01:02:10
include a personal item of yours or an item that that didn't belong to the victim the only reason you would do that
01:02:18
is that if the victim now has ties to that item you now have to get rid of that item why would the victim have ties
01:02:24
to that item you hit somebody with your car and then you pull them into your vehicle whatever is in the vehicle they
01:02:32
may bleed on it we've not seen pictures of that shirt does that shirt contain as
01:02:37
degrees blood if I'm trying to get rid of something that's in my car yeah dispose of something then I have to get
01:02:44
rid of that shirt as well well the eyewitness that claims that they saw Asia being pulled into a car and like
01:02:53
you said that statement later changed changed from getting into a car to getting pulled into a car if ASA was hit
01:03:02
by a car and somebody then took her body and was plac it into a car that would look similar does that make any sense
01:03:11
yeah oh yeah again I think we are inching our way as said prior to finding out exactly what happened or finding out
01:03:22
most of what happened it's very strange two here captain that we still to this day have no idea who the little girl was
01:03:31
in that wallet size photo I'm starting to think that that photo just hasn't been seen by enough people it hasn't hit
01:03:40
the right eyes and if Asia were to have been struck by a vehicle and this was all a big accident that still doesn't
01:03:49
explain why she left her house or where she was going and I know that's a large part of this mystery people like to hone
01:03:56
in on it and and of course until you figure out what was going on with that scenario it is a part of this mystery
01:04:04
I'm really starting to think that Captain that there's a chance that why her reasoning for leaving that night
01:04:12
wherever she was going or thought she was going may have little to do with what happened to her in the end I almost
01:04:20
think that that's just a big chunk of this mystery that gets in the way of figuring out what happened to her I
01:04:27
think that a lot of people view this case and their first thoughts are well if I can figure out why she left or
01:04:33
where she was going then that will lead me to the conclusion of what happened to
01:04:38
her or where she is now there's a chance we do live in a world where the two actions both took
01:04:46
place that night of her leaving and her being killed or disappearing and they don't have any
01:04:56
direct relation to one another other than the fact that she was out on the road that night whether she was struck
01:05:01
by a vehicle or pulled into a vehicle or got into a vehicle willingly there's a chance of that I wish that there was a
01:05:09
nicer better way to say this I wish that there was a way that I could feel good wrapping up this episode but there's
01:05:15
not because we can't give the degree family the answer that they want the answer that they want is their daughter
01:05:23
back they want to see their daughter again again they want her to even as mysterious and strange and weird as it
01:05:29
would be that she would be live and Alive and Well 25 years later I don't feel good that that's
01:05:36
going to be the outcome here what I do think is possible is that maybe they finally get
01:05:45
the answers and are told of what happened to her and hopefully the little girl didn't suffer at all this family
01:05:52
you can see it you can see it I said don't don't watch those interviews it will ruin your day it might ruin your
01:05:59
week you can't unwatch them but this family has been destroyed been they've remained close the three of them her
01:06:06
brother o'briant has a daughter now that is older than Asia was the night that she
01:06:13
disappeared but this family has been pushed to the brink for 25 years and I just I'm hoping
01:06:22
and praying that they get some relief again if you have any any information at all about Asia degree about the vehicle
01:06:32
that we talked about about any of the items that were recovered from the construction site in 2001 please call
01:06:39
the tip line 7046 72610 or call the national Center for missing and exploited children at 1 1800
01:06:49
the lost you can also go to missingkids.org again that's 1800 the lost or missingkids.org
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01:07:49
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01:07:55
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01:08:03
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