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[Music] crime the press and the media make you think that a black man arming himself is
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illegal or criminal or that he wants to arm himself to rob a liquor store something you know what I'm saying that
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is for me to defend myself and it should always be it's just about surviving you
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know and we have to be honest about the tools that we use to survive and why is a black life um any any
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more recoupable in a white life you know what I'm saying we know that they don't
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put the same Security in ghetto that they do in the whites in the in in the white neighborhood so therefore for me
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to be out here saying don't you know put your guns down and no violence that's hypocritical and if I didn't talk about
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the violence everybody would act like the violence wasn't there we as rappers bought that violence we we bought the
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violence that we seen on the street put in our records put in our records for years and after 3 four years people
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finally starting to see it because all the statistics that's going on in the streets if we stopped talking about it
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then they wouldn't take statistics and when they stopped taking St statistics then we be killing each other in the
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street and these white people wouldn't care no more only people they only reason they care is cuz you know there
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been some Strays and we just slipped over in the white neighborhoods and it's kids in Iowa that want to be like us you
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know what I'm saying it's kids in in Indiana that's trying to be like us cuz they can relate too you know what I'm
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saying you even admit it I don't live in that neighborhood anymore there's no real reason for you to carry a 9mm don't
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believe that why in in two years I've had a gun pulled on me by my limo driver by police by everybody you know what I'm
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saying and I better be I better be you know what I'm saying I've been attacked you ain't read the papers about these
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skin heads trying to blow up black churches why they see me as the enemy just like y'all do you know what I'm
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saying they can come to my house and sit outside my house just like anybody else
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can a skin hereit and once my life is gone it's gone can't nobody give it back to me not the judge not the president
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not the governor not Calvin buts not Jesse Jackson they can't do nothing but come to my funeral and talk pretty about
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how black people suffer and once my life is gone it's gone [Music] September 13th 1996 a crowd of people
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gathered outside the University Medical Center in Los Vegas Nevada because of Tupac Shakur a rapper almost as famous
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for his police record as he was for his music inside the hospital Tupac was fighting for his life 6 days earlier he
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had been shot while riding in a car with his record labels owner at a stoplight A
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car pulled up next to the car that Tupac was in and opened fire MH Tupac was shot
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four times and we got to go back and talk about the life of Tupac leading up to the event here Captain so Tupac was
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born June 16th 1971 in East Harlem in a section of New York City MH his mother aeni was an active
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member of the Black Panther Party in the late 1960s and early 1970s now I'll just
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refer to him as Tupac or PAC you know because we have different name changes and I don't want things to get confusing
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so pac's mother aeni along with 20 other members of the Black Panthers they were
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arrested in 1969 they called this group the New York 21 the police said that the group had
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planned to blow up several places in New York it sounds like all of the New York
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21 made bail but while they were out two of the members ran and fled well when this happened authorities began rounding
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up the remaining members and aini found herself in New York women's house for detention and at this time she's
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currently pregnant with two Poore yeah she had to get a court order this allowing her extra food for the
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pregnancy but really all it was in addition to what everyone else was eating was the addition of an egg and a
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glass of milk each morning aeni said that she had never been able to carry a child past 3 months of pregnancy but in
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the midst of all this this child stayed now this could be the first indication that this baby wasn't going to be just
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your average kid aeni from everything I could tell was a very smart lady um she did not have any education as far as a
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law background goes but but she did serve as her own lawyer in May of 1971 aeni and 13 other members were
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cleared of all charges so Tupac was born a month after she was acquitted she was
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cleared of more than 150 charges of conspiracy against the United States government and New York landmarks in the
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state of New York well let's be clear especially in New York City the Black Panther Party was known for feeding the
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black community and uh school children so just because there was possibly these terrorist threats doesn't mean that she
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had any involvement and like you said she was acquitted of all charges Tupac said that his mother didn't hide the
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truth from him saying she didn't know who his father was Tupac would later accept Billy Garland as his father this
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was a man that his mother had a previous relationship with in the mid-70s aini became involved with mutulu Shakur and
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even though the couple didn't marry m ULU considered himself Tupac's stepfather ULU and Aina did have a
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daughter together now Tupac's stepfather he ends up he spends four years at large
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on the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives list beginning in 1982 MH he was wanted for helping his sister escape from a
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penitentiary in New Jersey in 1979 she had been in prison since 1977 for killing a State Trooper she was a
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fugitive for several years before asylum in Cuba in 1985 now in 1986 mutulu was caught tried
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and convicted for the robbery of a Brinks armored truck in which two police officers and a guard were killed
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sometime in the early 80s Tupac's mother tried crack cocaine and she did have some drug troubles from time to time and
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we'll see this again later throughout his life so I think we can say growing up was not easy for Tupac there of
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course were many hurdles for this young man and he's going to get into the Arts pretty early in his life yeah in 1983 at
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the age of 12 pac's mother signed him up for a theater group in Harlem he was cast as Travis younger uh the character
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in the play A Raisin in the Sun which was performed at the Apollo Theater so this is this is a big deal uh in 1985
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right I think yeah per performed when Jesse Jackson was running for president now in 1985 the family end up moving to
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Baltimore Maryland it was there that Tupac enrolled in the Baltimore School for the Arts uh where he basically
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studied everything I mean acting poetry music you name it uh I believe this is where he developed a close friendship
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with Jada pinket uh or later Jada pinket Smith I know that he was longtime friends with Jada and that was no
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surprise to me when we started looking at this case and who Tupac is or was and I knew that he had a tough time growing
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up but I really didn't know how schooled and educated he was in the Arts from such a young age I find that incredibly
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surprising um I found a quote that that is it's a bit of a sad one but I think it would it helped me understand some of
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his Drive uh Tupac said I didn't like my life but through acting I could become somebody else I think that tells you a
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lot of what's going on in his world and what got him to focus on these these more POS positive aspects in 1988
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Tupac's mother is still battling her addiction with crack cocaine and she's actually in an abusive relationship so
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she's going to send her son and her daughter off to live with their godmother in California Tupac would
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point to this moment as quote as the point where I got off track uh later aeni would follow the kids to California
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it sounds to me like the Godmother had her own uh battles going on she she had some alcoholism I think that was going
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on it was not a perfect situation to send your kids to well and what Tupac stated in multiple interviews was oh
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yeah so my mom had all these issues then she sends us to California oh by the way
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my godmother had all the same issues you know abusive relationship addicted to drugs Tupac would eventually drop out of
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school um but he did have a chance meeting in a park with Leela Steinberg a young writer teacher and music producer
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uh it's through this connection that Pac gets to try out for a group called The Digital Underground uh who was a
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fantastic rap group everybody probably remembers the hit the Humpty Dance I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom
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thank you Captain I was a fan of the Digital Underground and if you YouTube same song by Digital Underground you
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actually see Tupac in that video well after this this must be like 1991 so Tupac is in his first movie this is
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hilarious because I love loved this movie this is digital under underground andac of course this was the movie
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nothing but trouble the group in the movie the group is pulled over for speeding and they have to appear before
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a judge the judge is Dan akroy and when in court they performed their song titled same song with the judge joining
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in eventually on keyboards um this movie had chevie Chase Demi Moore and the late
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great John candy in it uh so after this Tupac broke out on his own he's now like
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he's now 20 and in late 1991 the record that he's going to come out with is tupacalypse now yeah and around this
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same time he's going to get cast in a much bigger role in what according to critics is probably considered a much
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better movie not not me because I love nothing but treble but he is cast in a better movie as the uh or as the captain
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would say the film a film uh called juice M uh so that's kind of a good review of Tupac's early life and his
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break into Fame but Pac was not just famous for his music and acting um once he started getting famous he had run-ins
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with the law and he also had an attempt on his life now the first story that I could recall with Tupac and the police
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well this is a nasty one in the fall it's the first one once he's famous the first one in the fall of 1991 uh police
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stopped him in Downtown Oakland California now he stopped for jaywalking this shouldn't probably shouldn't be a
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very big deal right probably shouldn't stop him but but the story I heard is that Pac showed three forms of ID to the
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two officers that had stopped himh but the officers refused to believe that Tupac Shakur was his real name Pac ends
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up losing his temper and he wants to know why it took two off officers to stop him for something as simple as
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jaywalking M um and then shortly after there's a verbal altercation to put it nicely um the officers then grabbed him
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and one puts him in a choke hold he's taken down to the concrete PX says that when he woke up from the attack he was
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cuffed and he was faced down in the street he was he was only in jail for about 7 hours for this whole thing that
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went down uh but in December 1991 Tupac filed a $10 million civil lawsuit against the Oakland Police Department
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well cuz you're missing a little bit of the story so once they arrest him on the
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street and there was a physical altercation in the street and let's just say Tac probably provoked some of that
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right so I'm not going to let him off the hook that easy right but once they got him into the jail they beat the
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living crap out of him and he had a black eye he had a bunch of bruises all over his face and that that's why he
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pressed charges yeah and I think he they were they were pretty brutal to him before that though bringing him into the
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jail where people on the street could see that portion of it go down so he files that $10 million lawsuit against
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the Oakland Police Department um allegedly saying that they brutally beat him for jaywalking uh Shakur received
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approximately $42,000 I believe in in settlement money um but most of this uh went to pay for
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his lawyer in this situation yeah basically admitted that they're wrong and that there was no charges either so
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it's kind of like you know nobody wins nobody loses there on August 22nd 1992 in Marin City uh Shakur performed at an
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outdoor festival and he stayed for an hour afterwards signing autographs and pictures a confrontation occurred and
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Tupac pulled out a legally registered gun and dropped it someone picked up the gun and it goes off and a bullet was
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discharged well about a 100 yards away a 6-year-old boy on a bicycle at a nearby
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playground he's hit with the bullet uh it struck him in the forehead and it killed him although Tupac and his
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stepbrother Maurice Harding were arrested on suspicion of firing the gun no charges ended up being filed uh the
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County prosecutor basically had basically pretty much had no case because of lack of
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witnesses U but later a wrongful death LW suit was brought against Tupac and his label inner scope uh by the kid's
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mother so under a confidential settlement and this is the wording from a newspaper article at the time a record
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company for rap star Tupac Shakur has agreed to pay between $ 300,000 and $500,000 to the parents of a
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six-year-old boy who was killed by a stray bullet during a scuffle at an outdoor Festival in Marin City in 1992
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now attorneys for Tupac and for the parents of the boy they reached the settlement in in the lawsuit brought by
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the dead child's family after several hours of closed door negotiations before you know before any
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witnesses to the shooting could take the stand right the lawyers would not publicly discuss details of this
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agreement however sources familiar with the agreement said a record firm whose name they would not disclose but we
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already know as inner scope will play the will pay the parents more than $300,000 but less than
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$500,000 to settle the suit they would not be more specific about the mo the amount in their opening remarks lawyers
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for both sides agreed that the bullet that hit the boy came from a handgun that was registered to Tupac right but
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they gave differing versions of how the shooting took place now the parents attorneys told the jury that Tupac was
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carrying a concealed weapon when a fight broke out he drew the weapon brandished
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it but dropped it and then yelled at Harding to get the gun several shots were fired including the one that killed
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the boy Tupac's lawyer told the jury that Tupac and Harding were attacked by a mob of angry people and at one point
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someone fired a gun over the heads of the crowd to scare them off I'm not certain that that's a great defense but
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I guess it's that's probably why they ended up settling this took place during an outdoor Festival which was among the
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large longest running events conducted by African-Americans in Northern California the event was not held for
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years after the boy's death now that was taken from a newspaper article from 1995
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so I'm not sure if or when they may have resumed the Annual Festival in March of
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1993 Tupac was arrested for threatening a limo driver in California well and this is a story he brings up often in
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interviews he talks about like why why do I need to carry a gun well because cuz I've had guns pulled on me in the
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last several years and he always talks about that had a gun pulled on me by a limo driver well if you're making
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threats maybe that's why the gun was pulled on you mhm or maybe the gun was pulled on you and then you made threats
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I'm not I'm not really for sure also in 1993 Tupac was charged with one count of
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felonius assault uh he was accused of attempting to hit another rapper with a baseball bat at a concert at uh Michigan
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State University the incident reportedly began when Tupac be became angry and threw a microphone uh he pled guilty in
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September of 94 to a misdemeanor in exchange for the dismissal of the felonius assault charge he was sentenced
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to 30 days in jail 20 of which were suspended and he was ordered to perform 35 hours of community service well if
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there's trouble you know tacac there you know that's what he does with the baseball bat to straighten out the
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situation to be fair I mean this he was a small guy he was what like 5'8 5'9 uh maybe 150 160 lbs yeah and I want to be
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clear about something too because in a lot of these stories all right you know yes we're pointing out that he pled
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guilty or that he was charged with this um there's like we see all the time there's varying accounts of these
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stories of what actually happened who who was the problem who was not the problem well and yeah I mean look Tupac
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is controversial but I think a lot of his issues came from I mean obviously especially at that time and you're a
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celebrity and you're in you're in the gangster rap world you got a Target on your back for trouble right right so I
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maybe he brought some of this on himself maybe it was brought upon him and he had
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to defend himself I I don't know I wasn't there now I don't want to sound like some kind of jack wagon here but
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for some reason I like this next story but but you got got to hear it all the way through before you judge me okay
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well already judging you before you judge me I uh in in Atlanta we should have never covered the case we got two
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uh Suburban boys in a garage covering Tupac in Atlanta in late 1993 Tupac was charged with shooting two offut Duty
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Suburban policemen how how you like this story well I told you you got to hear it
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all the way through before you judge me see you you I got one sentence in and you start judging I'm not mad at you the
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Atlanta police said that the shooting occurred after two cars carrying Tupac in his party almost struck the two men
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in their wives as they crossed the city street okay Tupac was arrested at his hotel shortly after the shooting he was
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charged with two counts of aggravated assault and then released on $55,000 bail now Tupac's lawyer said that it
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appeared from investigators descriptions of the incident that the two officers started whatever gun play that had
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occurred you know so we have a who shot first situation According to some accounts it was one of the officers who
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first Drew and possibly fired a gun although no weapons were recovered the police say Witnesses gave this account
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of the incident Mark Whitwell uh he's a police officer and his wife were crossing the street Mark Whitwell well
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wonder what color he is well markk is a police office officer and he and his wife were crossing an Atlanta Street
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with whitwell's Brother Scott who was also a police officer and his wife after the couples were nearly hit by the car
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this is the car with Tupac and and the other car following them right um the two officers were both in civilian
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clothes at this point they argued with the driver and the passengers of the car as well as the occupants of the second
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car that had pulled up so according to some accounts Mark Whitwell pulled out a gun but it was not clear whether he had
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fired it Witnesses said that Tupac then fired a gun three shell casings from a 9mm pistol were recovered by police now
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do you want to hear about the aftermath of this incident yeah I'm trying to figure out why you like this story okay
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we're getting to the part that I like all right okay it was later determined that the officers were drunk and in
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possession of stolen guns oh great Okay so as they crossed the street a car with
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Tupac inside passed them or almost struck them after arguing Mark Whitwell shot at Tupac's car Tupac then shot one
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officer in the butttock and then the other he shot the other officer as well and I think this
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was in the leg there's varying news reports about where he shot the guy okay um Mark Mark Whitwell was charged with
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firing at Tupac's car and later charged for lying to the police during the investigation
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Tupac was charged with with the shoting as well but the prors eventually dropped
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all charges against both parties oh really mhm yeah this is just like a really bad horrible incident where you
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know drunk people stolen Guns by the police um yeah cops lying yeah un fortunately nobody was seriously injured
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or or killed in this incident but it's just a whole bunch of of people Behaving Badly um Tupac wased to be in the movie
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Menace to Society 2 uh the directors were twin brothers uh who had directed some of I believe they directed some of
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pac's music videos uh but after several fights on the set with the directors Pac
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was fired well he this really upsets Pac and he he storms the set armed with a baseball bat uh and he goes after both
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of the twins after both of the directors uh he was later found guilty of this assault well let's uh let's just put it
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out there for the listeners I mean were you a you know normally there was two camps there was the Tupac camp or the
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biggie Camp mhm which Camp were you in um I have to pick a whole Camp um yeah I mean you could like both of them I'm
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just saying but you'd have to pick one over the other if I guess if I could only choose one I was definitely a
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bigger Notorious BIG fan um I owned more of his music than I did of the death row
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West Coast guys I've always liked Dr Dre a lot uh so it's it's tough for me to say that I don't really think of rap
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like that you know like um those the gangster rap was never my thing I always liked kind of the more out there guys
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like like Buster Rhymes uh the Fuji I like um well we were pretty young cyp hill we were also pretty young at the
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time right when like Tupac was coming out and more of a hit that was like middle middle school early High School
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yeah and we were probably still stuck in our grunge phase for a little bit of that time but okay so if you had to pick
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favorite Tupac song what what would you pick I tell you what I you know I only really liked the hits of Tupac but if I
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picked one and this is one that I would recommend to anybody because I think this this song shows his talent you know
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like I said I'm not big into gangster rap but uh he sounds so white when you said but
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well yeah uh but I like Dear Mama by by Tupac and I'll tell you why because I think I
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think you could listen like any style of music and still like that song like even
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if you didn't like rap I think you could pick up that song and be like all right
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I get this I like it it's that good of a song well I'm just throwing this out there and and I think one of the hardest
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things to do is to take a song and remake it and make it better than the original right mhm and I want to and a
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fabulous artist a very talented artist uh Bruce Hornsby he had the song the way it is right and uh Tupac remade that and
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made it into changes oh yeah I personally think that Tupac's song is better now I might get some hate mail
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for that but I think he took a song to the next level and I think what he's saying is very socially relevant today
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as much as it was back then mhm another song that is socially relevant probably today too is uh keep your head up that's
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another one that you should check out if you're not familiar with his work but we'll get right back to that after this
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[Music] that all right we're back cheers mates cheers now I just want to paint a quick
00:31:55
picture here for the younger listeners Captain because we're only up to about 93 1993 in our timeline and we have a
00:32:05
guy that that bust I mean the guy bust onto the scene right he comes onto the scene in 91 and Tupac he was you know we
00:32:13
have albums coming out he's in multiple movies uh in such a short period of time
00:32:18
this was a guy that became very famous very quickly he almost became it wasn't even just like oh well he's a star or
00:32:26
he's a superstar almost became an icon instantly yeah and the the thing that I remember being a younger guy was that it
00:32:34
seemed like over the course of this two-year period that this guy was just always on TV like I said the the the
00:32:41
music the the movies well the arrest and the arrest and that's what it was you couldn't turn on MTV or you couldn't
00:32:49
turn on the TV without hearing about something that either he he was being accused of or an achievement that he
00:32:56
made as far as his his acting or music career his talents and then he was in such high demand because he became so
00:33:04
famous he was a huge star that everybody wanted to interview him so we have this
00:33:09
guy that has these let's say just you know blanket it and say legal troubles but the thing I remember the most about
00:33:17
him was that he would do a lot of interviews and in the legal troubles always came up during the interviews so
00:33:24
you would get to hear kind of his opinion on some of these things which was not something that you always saw
00:33:30
with most stars you know most stars if if they're facing some kind of trouble they might try to hide from the
00:33:35
Limelight a little bit uh well right but I don't know how many stars were facing
00:33:41
this much trouble Yeah well yeah that and you know he was a he was a very young man at this point in his life um
00:33:48
but and I believe in in at least one occasion they had used some footage from one of his interviews even against him
00:33:56
at one of his trials yeah and I also think you know uh to paint a picture too is as
00:34:03
much as it was you know from The Outsider looking in it would just be ah this guy's a gangster rapper right so
00:34:10
he's he's a thug right and he was saying stuff like thug life and stuff so he's just but when you really break down a
00:34:17
lot of his interviews he was saying a lot of things of substance this this guy was uh a character of a lot of substance
00:34:24
oh yeah yeah very very intelligent guy he might not always shown that off of the stage um I I think with his legal
00:34:32
trouble what I see here is is a it's like I said earlier he's a very young man I think he was impulsive young man
00:34:40
at times overreacting in situations yeah and I think he was um forthcoming with the idea hey I'm I'm angry mhm you know
00:34:49
uh I grew up in the gutters and nobody helped me and now that I'm getting something I'm I'm angry mhm well in 1993
00:34:59
this was in November of 1993 um this was one of his more well-known legal troubles that he faced
00:35:07
uh Tupac and others were charged with sexually assaulting a woman in a hotel room M uh of course he denied the
00:35:14
charges according to Tupac he had had prior relations days earlier with the woman that were consensual uh he says
00:35:23
that his accuser claimed sexual assault after her second visit to Tupac's hotel room and she alleged that secure Tupac
00:35:32
secure and his Entourage had raped her um so this thing this thing goes to trial uh the woman testified that she
00:35:42
had had consensual oral sex with Tupac at a nightclub uh 4 days earlier on the Dance Floor yes and we know that from
00:35:51
watching a interview with arcenio Hall um where he talked about some of you know some of this case as much as he
00:35:58
probably could being that he's still on trial and possibly more than he should have yeah yeah exactly but she she says
00:36:07
that at the hotel room that Tupac wanted to share her with his friends who forced
00:36:14
themselves on her she said that Tupac and three of his friends they quote set upon set upon me like
00:36:22
animals uh as the victim addressed the court now she's talking to the court right she's giving her statements Tupac
00:36:31
stares intensely at her during her statements uh he then he gets up and apologized to her uh he went on to say
00:36:40
I'm not apologizing for a crime he added I hope in time you'll come forth and tell the truth uh the defense said that
00:36:48
she had made the accusations out of jealousy when when she had seen Tupac with another woman right now one thing
00:36:57
going on here at the trial this was a very wellp publicized trial like the captain said this is something he spoke
00:37:03
about in interviews um so there were a lot of Tupac supporters present at this trial in fact at one point a a woman
00:37:13
that was in the courtroom she leaned over the rail and kissed Tupac on the cheek uh this is just before a court
00:37:21
officer ordered her back to her seat I'm I'm surprised she wasn't thrown out of the Court complet
00:37:27
well and again we we should put this in a little more context too though I mean yeah as much as he has you know you know
00:37:33
the gangster rap songs he also had some very like we were talking about before these uh socially relevant songs and one
00:37:41
of the songs was keep your head up and and that song was all about it was a very a feem feminist uh viewpoint on on
00:37:49
everything MH uh and very uh well if I remember correctly that's the song where you know he this some songs are a story
00:37:58
right and the the if I remember correctly this is the song where he talks about the woman she's wearing
00:38:04
sunglasses or glasses and he knows why she's wearing the glasses because somebody had hit her yeah well he was
00:38:10
raised by a single mother and so it's very you know um stay strong you know if you're a single mother yeah you have a
00:38:17
lot more to deal with but stay strong it's worth it you know your kids are counting on you and and a lot of stuff
00:38:22
too with you know if you're in an abusive relationship you're worth more than that
00:38:27
and and just things of that nature well on the night of November 30th now this is
00:38:33
1994 this is still during the trial for the sexual assault charges that Tupac was facing Tupac was robbed and shot
00:38:43
five times by three men in the lobby of the Quad recording studio in Manhattan MH uh Tupac stated that he believed the
00:38:52
robbery to be a setup uh that he was set up for the attack and and he he even made comments about you know they stole
00:39:00
jewelry from me but why did they leave you know my Rolex watch they didn't take that right uh Tupac you know think about
00:39:09
this for a second here he shot five times right right he he very quickly checked out of the Belleview Hospital
00:39:17
Center against doctor's orders this was just 3 hours after surgery um and then in the day that followed
00:39:27
he entered the courthouse back at his trial in a wheelchair yeah well and the the big
00:39:34
suspicion here was you know they already had this East Coast West Coast battle going on so a lot of people thought that
00:39:41
east coast rappers were responsible for this possible hit but also the other thing too was uh Tupac you know the cops
00:39:49
actually thought that they could solve this case but Tupac wasn't really that Cooperative with them no no um in fact
00:39:56
uh well let's let's get back to the trial real quick and we'll go through this this whole attack because that's a
00:40:01
whole that's a whole other can of worms um in the end Tupac and his Road manager
00:40:08
this is Charles Fuller uh they were convicted of first-degree sexual abuse um they were acquitted of weapons and
00:40:16
sodomy charges uh Tupac was sentenced to one and a half to 4 and 1/2 years in prison for sexually abusing the they
00:40:25
call her a fan uh and he tearfully apologized to his victim but even as he apologized he said
00:40:32
that he had committed no crime right and he States this over and over and over and over again in interviews MH so let's
00:40:40
go back to this uh attack uh or the shooting that happened at in the recording studio yeah and you could
00:40:47
almost call this an attempt on his life to be shot five times or shot at five times it almost appears like an
00:40:52
attempted murder M um but yes there was a robbery as well but in a 1995 interview with Vibe magazine uh Tupac
00:41:01
accused Shan Colmes uh better known as puffy or Puff Daddy um also Jimmy henchman and Biggie among others you
00:41:11
know so there's other people he accused of this of setting this situation up um of setting up the attack at the quad
00:41:18
recording studios now eventually the the the magazine would change the names of some of the accused as salent upon
00:41:27
publication um so you know it did not they did not implicate Biggie or Puff Daddy in this in this actual thing but
00:41:36
that's who he was accusing yeah but if you're a Tupac fan and you listen to probably at this time half of his
00:41:44
songs he starts saying you you guys know what you did you know you try to kill me
00:41:49
he puts it out in songs now I had read some information that said that biggie had Entourage that was was upstairs uh
00:41:58
when this incident took place um which from the way I understand it this is a large this is took place in a large
00:42:05
building um now I I don't know if that's for certain but the way that the story goes is that Biggie's Entourage whomever
00:42:12
they were they went downstairs to check out the incident and Tupac was being carried out on a stretcher by this time
00:42:20
and he's basically you know he's being Tupac he's he's shouting at everybody he's angry at the situation of course
00:42:26
he's just been shot five times and he's been and he's giving the finger to anybody in the area right now I do want
00:42:34
to touch upon some things here before we get to the the situation that takes place in Las Vegas because there are a
00:42:41
lot of people that believe that these two attacks could be tied in together that they could have potentially been
00:42:47
carried out by the same person or persons or ordered by the same person or persons so in in the Los Angeles Times
00:42:55
this is journalist Chuck Phillips now Phillips would later allege that Sean Puffy Colmes and Chris Wallace better
00:43:02
known as biggie uh were aware a week in advance that Tupac would be ambushed in the 1994 shooting in New York's quad
00:43:11
recording studio um this would be two years before he was shot and killed in Vegas uh and the quote says that they
00:43:18
were advised in advance of what was going to happen uh they did not know the asants were going to be shooting in fact
00:43:27
they were told not to shoot um but what had happened apparently was that when this attack went down they state that
00:43:34
Tupac pulled a gun and went haywire and it was supposed to just be a severe beating that turned into this this
00:43:42
terrible shooting mhm well again like we said there was a lot of these battle rap
00:43:46
songs going on between West Coast and East Coast a lot of trash talking back but look Tupac's from New
00:43:53
York biggie from New York um Biggie and Tupac were friends for a while uh biggie
00:44:00
actually opened up for Tupac multiple times now you know there's a lot of speculation on why they had the falling
00:44:06
out possibly with Tupac sleeping with biggy's wife and things like that um but as far as their careers go having that
00:44:15
battle between each other and that hype again like we said in this uh 2 threeyear period you could not turn on
00:44:23
the TV without seeing Tupac Shakur on MTV MTV News same way with biggie because every time Tupac was doing an
00:44:31
interview he did probably 100 times more interviews than biggie but every time he's bringing up Biggie's name yeah if
00:44:39
if there were going to be an Elvis of rap you could put Tupac and Biggie as the one a and one B you know depending
00:44:46
on who you talk to that was the biggest guy that was the king of Hip Hop all right so who was trying to get at one of
00:44:54
the Kings right who was trying to get at Tupac so in Philip's article he also alleges that the main Mastermind behind
00:45:02
Tupac's setup was that Jimmy the henchman guy remember we mentioned him earlier but but he has connections to
00:45:10
Puff Daddy correct and and he it's it's Jimmy henchman Roseman is is what I I don't believe any of that is his full
00:45:18
real name um but basically uh I'm in the wrong business man it states that Phillips the the right of the article
00:45:26
had arrived at this conclusion after years of delving into the incident he had talked to men who he believed were
00:45:34
directly involved in the shooting and had uncovered papers documenting uh the incident from an an FBI investigation
00:45:43
whose findings coincide with what the article was stating now the the FBI talked to some criminals according to
00:45:51
these documents and these criminals said that Jimmy henchmen was involved um I do
00:45:58
I do want to be clear here though because um it this they would later the Los Angeles Times would later retract
00:46:07
this article um because I think they I think they were afraid they're going to get sued yeah because I think it came
00:46:14
into question how he may have um uncovered some of this evidence and where he received some of these
00:46:21
documents from or how yeah yeah it the rumor is this that he received them from a guy that had told some stories in the
00:46:29
past and might have forged some things in the past so when you receive documents from this guy you got to
00:46:36
wonder did he Forge these particular documents themselves right now years later we have this this person Dexter
00:46:44
Isaac um he he was serving life in prison without parole for multiple murders and and armed robberies um
00:46:52
apparently he was working on releasing a book detailing his life in New York City
00:46:58
you know on the streets of New York City as a Hitman and as muscle for uh this Jimmy henchman Roseman guy that we've
00:47:06
been talking about uh so apparently Jimmy henchman at some point finds his way into prison as well serving quite a
00:47:13
bit of time maybe even life for drug trafficking money laundering and witness tampering so we're seeing a lot of too
00:47:20
bad puffy didn't go with them well we're seeing a lot of Bad Dudes uh that are rumor to have been involved in this
00:47:28
setup that Tupac was talking about yeah it's interesting that he didn't want to cooperate with the the police but but I
00:47:34
know that's that's different it's a different time and it's also a different uh lifestyle uh the attack the attack
00:47:41
itself went like this according to Dexter he says that Jimmy the henchman had approached him and some of his
00:47:48
associates and they ordered he ordered them to Rob Tupac when he got to the studio that evening de Dexter says he
00:47:56
was paid $2,500 cash to carry this out uh Jimmy told Dexter not to shoot Tupac uh but to
00:48:04
catch him by surprise and pistol whip him and then kick him around for a little bit and take his biggest diamond
00:48:11
ring uh Dexter said that he saw Puff Daddy immediately after that conversation he saw puff with Jimmy and
00:48:21
stating that he made eye contact with puffy all right so then he come out to dinner and they they made love all night
00:48:28
what what was the point he so he made eye contact with a powderpuff daddy well what I what I think he's stating here is
00:48:36
that he's saying you know I was hired to carry out this robbery to to go attack Tupac um and before we get too far into
00:48:44
this I do want to mention there are some accounts out there we talked about Tupac
00:48:47
being shot five times there are some accounts according to certain witnesses that Tupac might have accidentally shot
00:48:54
himself once or twice during this altercation I'm sorry s right but but come on you're getting attacked and then
00:49:04
you pull a gun out and you end up shooting yourself like I said you shouldn't be carrying a gun if that's
00:49:08
what's going to happen I don't know for certain but according to some witnesses they think that he might have shot
00:49:14
himself once or twice okay we but but what does this have to do with puffy is what you wanted to know yeah but the
00:49:19
thing is is this is now the second altercation that we know of that he pulls a gun on and there's accidental
00:49:26
shootings right and again too 2,000 bucks hey I want you to go into the studio and Rob Tupac I want you to get
00:49:33
his biggest diamond ring I'll give you two grand two grand really it seems a little this guy beats people up with
00:49:40
baseball bats it seems a little light too for a guy that that was pretty vocal about always carrying a gun or a firearm
00:49:47
you know you right I would assume if I were this Dexter Isaac but but then again this Dexter Isaac guy's serving
00:49:54
life in prison so maybe he's not all there maybe the elevator doesn't go all the way up or maybe he just don't give a
00:50:00
[ __ ] right and the thing is is that did you just cuss for the first time on the
00:50:04
show we're breaking down walls wow man we start talking about Biggie and Tupac you get gangster you get Real Gangsta up
00:50:12
in here okay so let's get back to P Powderpuff daddy right okay so how does and if you can't tell I don't like him
00:50:19
um well this these are just statements according to this Dexter Isaac guy right so basically what he's saying is that
00:50:27
shortly after he's hired by Jimmy like just minutes after he's he we have this conversation he hires him to take out
00:50:34
this Attack On Tupac that he sees Puff Daddy with this same guy that just ordered it right meaning that the guy
00:50:41
that ordered it could be some kind of middleman for Puff Daddy um so basically want to put it past him though I
00:50:48
wouldn't put it past him well Dexter claims his claims basically kind of confirm what other people were already
00:50:55
believing at the time that Puff Daddy was at least aware of this plan now Dexter says that there's no way that
00:51:03
Biggie or any of Junior Mafia uh were there that night uh because he because he knew Puff Daddy right and uh he knew
00:51:12
when he went into the studio that none of these other dudes were around he sees Puff Daddy with this Jimmy guy that
00:51:19
night and that's that's what he's St all right so Powderpuff daddy is maybe the go between guy to to order the hit is
00:51:27
what you're saying right and let's be clear I'm I'm a big biggie fan I'm a big Tupac fan big biggie fan I think you can
00:51:34
be fans of both I don't think you have to choose a side here um well I'm choosing a side that I don't like
00:51:40
Powderpuff daddy that's fine we'll we'll we'll go with that right um so but so he
00:51:45
he goes and describes this incident in some detail um he says that the initial head wound that Tupac suffered uh was
00:51:54
because of Dexter's associate who he labels as JD uh he pistol whipped Tupac remember this was part of Jimmy's
00:52:02
request um and then he says that Tupac reached for his gun and they were rustling for the gun fighting for the
00:52:10
gun for a while before Tupac could pull it out completely now the gun during this course it goes off well maybe
00:52:17
that's how he got hit yeah well and Dexter believes that Tupac and these are his words these are
00:52:26
not scientific words here but he says that he says that the gun went off and he shot himself in the nuts um well this
00:52:35
is where remember how I said there's varying accounts of you know he p is shot five times right and there there's
00:52:43
some witnesses that say that Pac shot himself once some saying he shot himself twice well according to Dexter he shot
00:52:50
himself once well if you shoot yourself in the nuts that's like shooting yourself five times
00:52:56
you right but again it's it's not a scientific thing he might have just shot himself in the pants you know what I
00:53:02
mean uh or or the Bullet went straight through the screw yeah I I don't think that Dexter is sitting there analyzing
00:53:09
the situation I think it's probably a pretty quick attack there's probably a lot of confusion and then you run the
00:53:15
hell out of there yeah he probably didn't say Tupac pull down your drawers let me see what happened but he says
00:53:20
that Tupac wouldn't quit fighting uh that he wouldn't quit fighting back which I think is what we would all
00:53:25
expect um they were trying to take all of Tupac's jewelry and that they shot him several times after this because he
00:53:35
wouldn't quit fighting well and because they're only being paid 2,000 bucks but maybe the thing was uh we want you to
00:53:41
Rob him and whatever you get you can keep mhm he he goes on to state that it was well that basically once Tupac was
00:53:51
at the hospital that Jimmy was willing to send somebody or some buddies there to the hospital to finish the job right
00:54:00
and according to this guy that some of some of Tupac's guys caught wind of this or heard this rumor from somebody or I
00:54:08
think it was phoned into them from somebody they called the police and said look our buddy our dude was he was
00:54:16
attacked he was shot several times he's in the hospital and we heard the rumor that the guys that that set him up the
00:54:23
guys that tried to kill him well they're going to come to the hospital and finish
00:54:26
the job well this yeah this happens all the time I mean I used to work at a bank
00:54:31
right beside of a a hospital and if there was a gang related shooting and there was somebody that got hit right
00:54:40
and they were in recovery that they had to um guard MH that you know for maybe possibly
00:54:50
retaliation or or whatever and I believe that that stuff totally goes down you know that there's probably several
00:54:56
attempts on people in certain situations but it it seems very like Italian mob movie to me right you know what I mean
00:55:05
like you see that in a lot of the Italian mob movies so anyway they phone into the police that you know you've got
00:55:12
to send some people over here because this guy is going to get killed we're going to have an incident at the
00:55:17
hospital and possibly one of the reasons why Tupac didn't want to stay in the hospital well I think you're on to
00:55:22
something there Captain because the rumor is this that the police were basically like yeah we hear you we're
00:55:28
underst staffed we can't we can't send anybody over there to guard the door or whatever it was going to be well and
00:55:37
also in their defense I mean you know how many times Tupac talk [ __ ] about the
00:55:42
cops and songs or in interviews and stuff like that and then look if you're going to talk mad [ __ ] about the cops
00:55:48
like I'm talking mad [ __ ] about you know Puff Daddy right but you don't expect to
00:55:53
be invited to his pool party right but I'm not going to call up Puff Daddy and say hey can you produce a song for me
00:55:59
and and do some dumb dances in my videos I'm not going to do that well and like you said you know that's probably good
00:56:06
reason why to you know I wondered I wondered this because why does Puff Dy dance like a idiot well the that's a
00:56:15
whole another that's a whole another episode that's a whole another crime but the thing here is Captain you
00:56:21
know the what I heard was that Tupac buddies called in this information to the police and like you said about
00:56:28
Tupac he was let's say outspoken okay he was a very outspoken guy I always wondered even if the police had shown up
00:56:36
to watch his room could you think of how possibly uncomfortable that situation could have been for anybody you know
00:56:44
could you see a police officer showing up to his room and then Tupac giving that dude stuff right giving him the bu
00:56:52
giving him the business but like you said um that is is the rumor why Tupac probably left the hospital at the very
00:57:00
first chance he could out of fear as early as he could run out the door he did against doctor's orders shortly
00:57:07
after the surgery well right you were just attacked by these people and you might not know who they are but now
00:57:11
you're getting rumors and you might not have any nuts left so I shouldn't have said that
00:57:17
that's horrible I can't I'm turning into the captain I think you nurse nurse we're
00:57:24
all nuts oh God I think uh I think I think we drank too much I think we we need to wrap this up pretty soon okay so
00:57:32
where were we at well before we do uh you know we should mention after this Attack On Tupac after the attempt and
00:57:38
I'm going to call this this is an attempt on his life in my opinion this is a a murder attempt I don't care if
00:57:44
people say that we were just supposed to beat him I don't care what what goes down once you get there uh this is what
00:57:50
took place right you don't care what you're told to do what you care is what actually happened exactly so the thing
00:57:58
here is Pac has to go back to court he's still waiting you know for the end of this trial on the sexual assault case um
00:58:05
you know he's in a wheelchair we talked about he and his Road manager Chris Fuller were both convicted of
00:58:12
first-degree sexual abuse and now Tupac has this lengthy prison sentence and I say lengthy because the other charges he
00:58:20
had faced in the past he received you know 20-day sentence or a 30-day sentence or things were settled out of
00:58:26
court um so Tupac began serving his prison sentence on the sexual assault charges at the Clinton Correctional
00:58:34
Facility um this would be in 1995 now shortly afterward uh he released his multiplatinum album me
00:58:43
against the world everybody remembers that one uh Tupac became the first artist to have an album at number one on
00:58:49
the billboard billboard 200 chart while serving a prison sentence so he's got that going for him all right good
00:58:57
accomplishment well in October of 1995 Tupac his case is up for appeal at this time um but because he has considerable
00:59:08
legal fees he could not raise the this is what I've been told $1.4 million bail that's that's a whole lot of bail um so
00:59:18
after serving 9 months of his prison sentence uh Tupac is released due large part to the help and influence of a one
00:59:27
Suge Knight right uh who was the CEO of Death Row Records he posted apparently he posted the $1.4 million bail in
00:59:37
exchange for Tupac signing a deal with Death Row Records right and this was all done and this was all handwritten I
00:59:45
think it was like maybe three or four pages it was pretty goofy deal and it was actually uh a three record deal yeah
00:59:53
and from my understanding like you said Captain this was all pretty closed door Hush Hush type stuff for a long time
01:00:00
wasn't it like we'll we'll post your extremely high bail in exchange you're signing a record deal with us that
01:00:06
doesn't it doesn't seem like a real and I yeah I don't know off the top of my head who death row was actually
01:00:12
distributed by MH but they possibly were distributed by Inner scope mhm and like
01:00:18
you said um you know now this is binding Tupac to a three album deal with Death Row Records and now Tupac was scheduled
01:00:27
to be to uh be released from prison because of the influence of a one sh Knight who we we'll have to he's a whole
01:00:34
another he's a whole another character in himself that we'll have to get into in tomorrow show four characters in one
01:00:40
yeah so just to clarify what I was talking about before the label that he was on you know we talk uh about Tupac
01:00:47
being on inter scope well the sub label of that was Jive right and all this contract did was basically make the
01:00:54
sublabel now death row it was still under inner scope records but this this this contract he signed was I don't know
01:01:02
I mean if he would have want to fight it in court he probably could have could have beat it well and I don't know the
01:01:09
details of the contract but he was like like we said at the time he's a number one you know he him and biggy are the
01:01:18
two biggest guys so if you have a record label and you can get one of these dudes
01:01:23
on your label you're going to become one of the biggest labels and the thing here
01:01:27
is it might be because I would argue like you said he might be able to beat it in court because you almost could
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argue that under duress he signed this unfair deal let's say um who knows the stipulations of it but it seem yeah I
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don't think it was a I don't think it was like an unfair deal but he was already running around in that Circle of
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uh rappers anyways and and and death row was already coming up I mean they had the biggest producer in the hip-hop
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world Dr Dre uh Snoop Dog was getting big at the time so and they were all friends so I think I think also part of
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it too was maybe for the prot for the protection of it Su Knight being a a gang member turn bodyguard turn record
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owner record label owner so I think maybe he wanted to join for uh forces with them for security reasons I mean he
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was just shot five times okay well we'll get into the the night in Vegas the famous night in Vegas uh and we'll get
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into a bunch of theories you know regarding who took down Tupac who was involved uh all that tomorrow well and
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we got to start off with the idea of is he dead or alive all right thanks everybody for listening thanks for
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