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some true [Music] crime [Applause] [Music] today A 42-year-old man remains Behind
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Bars accused of kidnapping and attacking a 99-year-old girl found chained in his
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home he's also being investigated in connection with the murder of two eighth grade girls four years ago
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we spoke with some of his family members who told us flat out he's evil he's a monster exactly he is a absolute evil
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person he's talking about his own brother James Chadwell who was accused of imprisoning a 9-year-old girl in his
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basement and is under investigation in the unsolved murders of teens Libby German and Abby Williams in
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2017 do I think that he's capable of that kind of crime absolutely absolutely he's shown numerous times not only to
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his friends but his family as well that he has that kind of evil streak to him Chadwell stepfather also fears the
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42-year-old excon may be the mysterious figure caught on Libby's cell phone approaching them on an abandoned train
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trestle in Deli Indiana is HE capable probably you know and should they let him back out on the
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street not ever throw the key away this time chadwell's brother Ashley says James tried to drown him when he was 4
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years old he is absolutely capable of killing someone Chadwell has been in and out of jail since he was a teenager I
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also just really don't like people I have dogs his body is covered in tattoos one across his chest says rebellious but
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this is the tattoo that's drawing a lot of attention today some see an uncanny resemblance to slain Libby German look
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at them side by side his brother says that's a relatively new tattoo I really don't think that he had that tattoo when
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he got out of prison this is a virtual reality reconstruction of the moment Libyan Abbey were approached by the
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suspected killer it was made by crime door an app which recreates the scenes of notorious crimes there's Libby
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bravely capturing the stranger on her cell phone now could investigators finally be closing in on an arrest that
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he should be locked up and never let Lo again because he's a [Music] [Music] [Applause]
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[Music] monster from the website fbi.gov under seeking information in the double homicide case that is known as
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the deli murders it says on February 13th 2017 Liberty German age 14 and Abigail Williams age 13 were hiking on
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the deli Historic Trail near the monan High Bridge just east of Deli in Carroll County Indiana Liberty and Abigail were
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reported missing to police after their parents were unable to locate them at the pickup location volunteers
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subsequently discovered the girls bodies in the woods east of Deli in Caroll County Indiana on the next day February
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14th 2017 investigators have distributed a photo of a person observed on the deli
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Historic Trail the photo appears to depict a white male wearing blue jeans a blue coat or jacket and a hoodie during
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the course of the investigation evidence has led investigators to believe that the outform mentioned person is
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suspected of being involved in the murders of Liberty and Abigail the person depicted in the composite sketch
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is described as a white male between 5' 6 in tall and 5' 10 in tall weighing 180
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to 220 lb with reddish brown hair his eye color is unknown the suspect is believed to be between 18 and 40 years
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old but may appear younger you've asked for it people want to know about this James Bryan Chadwell the second the man
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who has most recently come into the question into the fold of possibly being the deli killer the bridge guy he was
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arrested on April 19th for abducting a 9-year-old girl and assaulting her inside his home well and yes just comes
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on our radar but it seems to me that his name has at least appeared on the radar
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of the deli murder case and as said this man was arrested but it was late last week mid to late last week where the
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news started coming out that Carrol County might be looking at this guy as a possible connection to the deli
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homicides and man I got to tell you Captain my inbox was filling up rapidly yes with people who wanted to know more
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about James Bryan Chadwell II wanted us to talk about him or demanded it's time once again for a deli update yes
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probably the most messages we've ever received as far as breaking news so we had to take the case that we we already
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had research and ready to go and put that on the back burner to discuss this one so I'm sure there's going to be a
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few items that maybe we haven't uncovered because we haven't had that long to dive into this individual but
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what look we can figure out a couple things from what you just read mhm 56 to 5 510 does does James fit into that
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category yes 5'8 does he fit into that weight range I would say by looking at his pictures possibly so now we have two
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criteria met reddish brown hair I think his hair could pass for that category it's definitely in the brown
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category I'll say that so now we got three of the criterias he lives or was living within 15 miles of the
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murders he when he was arrested in April of this year the question then Captain becomes where would he have been living
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in 2017 there's some information that we discussed in the last episode and that we found when looking into this guy that
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he potentially was living in or at least listed an address somewhere that he was in Peru
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right Indiana at the time of the year of 2017 now I'm showing it's about a 37 mile jaunt from Peru to Deli the
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interesting thing here and I don't think that this has to do exactly with this James Chadwell character but I remember
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from our previous coverage we were talking about some of the search warrants that were issued from Carol
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County with within days of them finding the two girls and I remember us discussing there was a search warrant
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that was issued for someone or a residence at least in Peru Indiana within days again I don't think it is
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directly tied to this James Chadwell guy but but a weird thing there that yeah one of my sources says it says it is
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that this is directly connected to him again though you hear this this misinformation all the time and there's
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a couple people that talk to law enforcement in the deli murders case early on and I do not want to State
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their names but you know who you are but supposedly there is a connection between
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this Chadwell and these individuals that knew Abby and Libby and and that came forward with information that they gave
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to law enforcement is that possibly why Chadwell was on their radar again a lot of the stuff that we're going to bring
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up does it mean anything it could mean everything or it could mean nothing like James Brian Chadwell seems to be
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interested in hiking or Bridges and so is it possible that he was somebody that would
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visit Deli to go to their park to hike around we also know that he has trespassing on his back background so is
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is he somebody that doesn't necessarily stay on the trails but roams wherever he
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wants to again they were murdered in a part of the park that was not open to the
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public so a lot of different things but when they talked to chadwell's family about the arrest and
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the possible connection to Deli both his father and his brother said look we think he's
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capable of murder and I think that's pretty telling not only coming from the father but also the brother but then you
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get again conflicting reports because he has a lot of tattoos and some of these tattoos on his arm they look of like
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almost like crying children they have no eyes they just so there's no there's no eyes in the in the tattoo drawings
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and there's one where it's a tattoo of a girl and it looks like she's either her
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her makeup's running or possibly that she's bleeding from her eyes and a lot of people
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think that this looks like Libby from the deli murders yeah we talked about uh on the previous show people doing side
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by sides of bridge guy and potential suspects and how that's gotten really blown way out of proportion to an
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uncomfortable level but I've seen side by sides of Libby German and this tattoo on this on this uh despicable human
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being's arm and people saying hey is this a tattoo of Libby German and one person even post someone explain this
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tattoo please someone that knows this man who knows Chadwell please tell us who the girl on his arm is if not Libby
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German now well a couple things one I'll post that picture on our Instagram look
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anytime we cover a case we post a lot of pictures from the case on our Instagram
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or Facebook and you can find those on any of those platforms at True Crime garage when I look at it it again it
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doesn't look unlike Libby German to me but it also looks so very plain and non descript that I don't know that we could
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say that it is her the tattoo to me almost looks like a a character of some type more rather than uh you know hey I
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know um the love of my life is Julie could you could you put a picture of you know draw a picture of Julie on my arm
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well this guy is you know he's a douche and look so he has this these weird tattoos why would you put that on your
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body look I like tattoos I think people should have the freedom to put whatever they want you know draw a bunch of
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penises if you want and put it as tattoos who's all everybody I don't care uh but this becomes a little suspicious
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now the claims I heard was he had this tattoo going all the way back to 2016 obviously would that be of Liberty
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I would say no if that was the case but when they talked to his brother about this tattoo his recollection is no he
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did not have that tattoo until later until after he got out of jail last time it looks like to me something from some
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form of entertainment I can't put my I can't really put my finger on it I I feel like it's something from from a
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comic book or cartoon or a movie Something of of that uh nature it's still just odd again well it doesn't
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help his case could mean anything could mean nothing I mean he's just this guy's
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scum yeah and we read through the charges that sounds like he's going to be charged with in the April 19th
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incident so yeah he I mean he is scum and regardless of how long that list of charges are some of those charges are
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going to stick we know that thank God there was a Survivor the person he intended to hurt harm in whatever manner
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that was whatever his intent in fact was she survived she will be able to testify
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against him she will be able to stand up in a court of law and point across the room and say that is the man that
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abducted me that is the man that attacked me and in in her opinion um which which is should be 100%
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validated she says he was going to kill me yeah and in my personal opinion that's not even going to happen they're
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not going to go to trial I mean he's the fact that he has um the added habitual uh charges I habitual offender charges
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that he'll be facing I think he were saying something like five to 20 years extra they're not they're not going to
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go to trial they'll make they'll make a deal which is interesting maybe I mean depending on
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what his representation is if you got a strong case against a guy and you think you got to slam dunk there's no need to
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deal with this dude you drag his ass into court and you you charge him with all the charges you think you got to
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slam dunk with and you put them away for as long as you possibly can no I understand that but because of the
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habitual offender charges that ramp up the amount of years they can decide to make a deal so they don't
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have to put this 9-year-old through a trial and I think that's what they'll do I think that's the responsible thing to
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do because because what I'm saying is they have that Ace in their back pocket all by the way we're charging you with
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these five or six counts but on top of that we can get you another 20 years and we'll put this girl on the stand and
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we'll get the 20 years extra or we can just not have her be on the stand and we just won't throw we'll just we won't put
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the icing on the cake we won't throw on another 20 years but what he's looking at life in prison pretty much no matter
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what um I don't think so I mean it could be uh I think what I read was 25 20 to 25
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years but again this news is all coming out rapid and and pretty fast and you see I saw higher um but yeah who knows I
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mean and and so there's all these again back to the tattoo some people are saying he got it in 2016 his brother's
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saying I don't think so I think that it's a lot newer uh doesn't match her I I think I'd say yes but again
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is it kind of a just a generic idea of a tattoo so I don't know how much is there
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I put more weight to the fact that this guy is interested in spending time outdoors and going to different parks
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and he has several pictures of him on a bridge that's just not something that you're going to find on everybody's
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Facebook page I also think that this guy doesn't have a lot of friends so I just don't think there's
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going to be a lot of sources you can go to to be like do you know when this guy got this tattoo do you know where he was
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at on this date do you I just don't think there's going to be enough uh sources to go on because I
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think this guy is such a piece of [ __ ] that he's probably basically alienated himself
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from from most people in his life well and he's had some time in and out of jail in and out of prison in his adult
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life which um hopefully got in the way of his uh social life yeah and hopefully stop some of his criminal
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activity but um let's see what else is a good match for Chadwell well you talked
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about some of the physical descriptions how they match up a potentially match up
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or fall within the realm of and we didn't get to his age so you know they say they're looking for someone 18 to 40
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might look younger he certainly Falls in that range he's 42 years old and was arrested on April 19th of this year but
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we got to keep in mind this is four years after the fact of the deli double murder so he would have been 38 at the
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time and I do believe my my humble goat opinion is that he does look a little younger than his than his actual uh
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listed age here so he does age it's a big window they gave us to work with Captain but he he does definitely fall
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within inside that window and you and I think does look a little younger than his his uh date of birth yeah it's a
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it's a tricky one because there's so much and maybe it's just because there's been so many and I couldn't name them
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all and I couldn't tell you how many times in the last four years that all of a sudden I'm getting notifications on
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Twitter some on Facebook then next thing you know text messages emails what about
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this guy for Deli and there hasn't been one that I that has really hit my gut that said this is it this is today is
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the day right like they say mhm and I think this one was interesting though because when I first started getting
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bombarded with the emails and the messages on social media my gut feeling was this isn't the guy and then you
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start just going through little pieces of evidence just what we know on the surface level and you go well this none
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of this stuff is ruling this individual out now he might have some airtight Alibi but this guy is such a horrible
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individual there's nobody out there that is going to be this guy's Alibi unless they're a legit Alibi well and as you
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pointed out you know his own father and brother both now on record saying yeah we think he's probably capable of
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something like the the deli double homicides of course we we should remind everybody that obviously they're saying
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this after the fact after they know that he abducted this 9-year-old girl locked
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her up in his basement and in her words was trying to kill her right uh so of course they're factoring that in you
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really wonder if you could hop in the time machine and and go back to 2018 uh 2017 in in April or March or or
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June of that year and asked these Two Fellas the same question if they would in fact have the same answer now you
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said friends or or what kind of people could we talk to there is somebody and I'm going to leave out their whatever
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they're posting this under because well I don't have to tell you my reasons but uh I'm going to leave that out there is
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a post that I saw on Reddit that says some guy on Facebook says he used to work with him
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being James Brian Chadwell and again he seems to be going under Brian Chadwell on most Social Circles used to work with
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Chadwell in cooko Indiana around the time of the deli murders and says that they suspected him of being involved and
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this person claims that he tried to call the tip line many times but it was through the FBI and their comments was
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it was a joke look I can't speak to what this person's experience was we we don't
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know if this is all factual information we can say this if you're if you're calling in a tip to your local
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authorities on on any case it doesn't have to be Deli but any case but if it were Deli the FBI whomever you decide to
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call don't exp this doesn't mean that they they jump into the car call all available units and Sirens are blazing
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and they go you know 100 mph down the road to this individual's house that you call in the tip right they're going to
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do their their work behind the scenes do their due diligence they're probably going to check you out too to make sure
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that you're not some nut job or some some person that's trying to throw this individual under the bus for reasons
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unknown for reasons that have nothing to do with that particular case at all but
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that's why again I go my gut is saying I don't know about this guy a couple things kind of line up but then you sent
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me a message that just kind of hit me and I stopped and I'm not the most religious man or spiritual man and all I
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said was I just said I hope this is it oh yeah you know for the family I I hope my gut is wrong about this guy but the
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more that you talk about him and the more you look into him the more your gut is kind of being quiet about it and
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that's why I believe like you said tips or whatever this individual this numnuts
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was on a list maybe a big list of people but then his name pops up in the the the
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news and now all law enforcement around Deli is going hey now now this guy now all the the sirens are gone now it's all
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hands on deck to figure out if this creep is responsible for two murders here's the thing that I often wonder
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about too especially when we talk about somebody like this Chadwell character I have to remind everyone and remind
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myself in the process and this is something that we've talked about here on about this case specifically multiple
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times we know the outcome of what went down that day near the mo on high bridge we do not know
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what the intent of the perpetrator was we do not know what the goal would have been if you will of bridge guy could it
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have been to abduct duct could it have been to move them to another area was it in fact to kill someone anyone or
00:28:05
targeted individual or individuals there that day near the bridge or near the park we don't know that we won't know
00:28:13
that until this guy is in handcuffs and tried and convicted but with Chadwell what I would really like to
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know we got so many people covering it we're we're trying to cover ourselves here
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today I want to know when I and I will I'm hoping this thing goes to trial because if so I will
00:28:37
be tuning in if if able to do so if not I'll be reading the new Snippets that are coming out and I'm with you Captain
00:28:46
I think if it does go to trial it's going to be pretty quick and clean it won't take a long time to convict this
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guy I hope this guy folds I think if they put enough pressure on him this idiot likes to talk I want to know yeah
00:29:02
we've seen some of his social stuff he's not the U Brightest Bulb out there um but anyway I want to know more about
00:29:11
this lock on the basement door because it's described as like a a chain type lock in some of the news outlets that
00:29:19
we've seen and I understand that depending on where you live and depending on the structure that you live
00:29:26
in there are are reasons to have such a lock on your basement door but the overwhelming majority of the time there
00:29:35
is not there is very little if any reason at all to even have a lock on your basement door let alone one that
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locks from the upstairs keeping whatever it is downstairs locked up right and what I'm
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getting at is look a lot of these dudes there are crimes of opportunity they see
00:30:00
a potential victim they see someone that's vulnerable and they take this opportunity that presented itself to
00:30:08
them to this monster and they seize the moment and they capture that person and they do whatever it is that they do or
00:30:17
what they wanted to do but here I have to believe my suspicion is 100 almost 100% captain
00:30:28
this crime of opportunity of tricking this girl inside to pet the dogs when did that
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lock and why did that lock why was it put on that door if it wasn't there when this Yahoo
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moved in he put it on there with the purpose of what he did on April 19th with putting someone confining
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someone in that space mhm that is a different level of sadistic that is a different level of
00:31:03
evil in my mind someone who's making preparations and waiting for that opportunity to present itself and when
00:31:15
it does the monster knows I've been preparing for this I'm ready I can get away with this I can win I can get the
00:31:24
result that I wanted I can carry out those sick sadistic fantasies that I've been thinking
00:31:31
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00:34:04
disqualify and look it's not lost on us that everything's lost on us well actually you're right most things are
00:34:12
lost on us hell we've been locked up in a garage for 5 years yeah but it's not let us out that this is uh a lot
00:34:21
speculation the reason why you're so curious about this chain being on the door is cuz we we have one keeping us in
00:34:29
here we thought it was smart to put one on the outside but we now we can't get out and so we understand this is a lot
00:34:34
of speculation what does him posting that I hey I've slept under a bridge for 5 days 10 days whatever he said hey I'm
00:34:41
I'm out camping hey out enjoying the outdoors with the nice bonfire oh he's had he's got this tattoo you know people
00:34:49
go are these tattoos of of girls crying on his arms and you know there's a hot debate of
00:34:58
over did he have these tattoos in 2016 before the deli murders did he did he not have him until after the fact there
00:35:07
seems to be people posting stuff that that would argue that either way I think he could be Bridge guy in the tattoo
00:35:14
have nothing to do with that case at all with uh with that murder at all no no I
00:35:20
agree and I I think here here's where I'm at with old Chadwell is one I think we should light
00:35:27
his face on fire and put it out with the shovel a couple times I mean that wouldn't be killing him um and just see
00:35:37
if he'd start answer our questions after that but since we're not allowed to do that cuz that's illegal in this country
00:35:44
where I'm at with him is I I haven't found a no yet height haircolor weight proximity a lot of different things
00:35:56
there's no no yet as far as to throw him off the list I mean if you came back and said
00:36:04
well he's 68 I'd go okay well throw him off the list right but there's nothing that's sticking out to me I don't know
00:36:11
if there's anything sticking out to you well no there's nothing sticking out as a no for me and there's
00:36:18
nothing you know that says a 100% yes as well again he's just a agree the newest
00:36:25
guy in a growing list of suspects and you know what for for those that hate speculation
00:36:32
whatever that's fine I get it because there is a lot of bad speculation out there in a lot of cases and a lot in
00:36:40
this deli case as well but all of these people that have ended up on this suspect list and again it is a suspect
00:36:50
list that's been compiled by the public and the press and the media not so much law enforcement other than law
00:36:56
enforcement has with every one of these guys said yes this is an individual we are aware of yes this is an individual
00:37:03
that we are looking at a link between our case and what this guy has done but every one of these people deserves to be
00:37:12
on the deli suspect list it's a it's a list of [ __ ] okay of [ __ ] people yeah it's just frustrating and I
00:37:26
hope um I was kind of hoping that maybe after the weekend because you know the arrest
00:37:33
happened what last Monday so I was hoping hey in seven days maybe we would know a little bit more or maybe he would
00:37:40
start talking because again he seems to be a person that doesn't mind talking but my other issue with him being a
00:37:49
talker is I think a lot of the stuff that he post on social media is complete horseshit where I think he says all this
00:37:58
stuff about you know I mean he talks constantly about wanting a real woman and a real woman's over the age of 30
00:38:06
okay so you're saying you want a real woman over the age of 30 but you're going to rape a 9-year-old you know his
00:38:13
actions don't line up at all with some of his words and we talk about speculation Captain I I do want to point
00:38:22
out some look again we don't know the answers to what went down that day in Deli we won't until this thing is solved
00:38:32
and someone is convicted but I've seen some silliness there's always been some silliness with some really out there
00:38:40
kind of wild theories in Deli I'm always very offut when somebody is recommending
00:38:46
that somebody that looks like bridg Guy this is this could be the guy cuz he looks like him but oh he lives in
00:38:53
California and he's lived there for the last 20 years years never even been to Indiana couldn't even find it on a map
00:39:01
yeah but one one of the new silly things that are coming out and this is all Chadwell
00:39:07
related is that some people are speculating that bridge guy is is holding a puppy or multiple puppies
00:39:16
under the jacket under the blue coat I've even seen it suggested that that's why they took a video of this guy rather
00:39:24
than calling 911 look again we don't know the answers but that seems like a an interesting thought
00:39:32
and Theory to have well look I mean we've always questioned DNA but I would say that if you're an
00:39:39
avid Pitbull lover and a Pitbull owner guess what you normally have on your person you have Pitbull hair so
00:39:51
would they be able to find any kind of dog hair at the scene of the crime they might have that evidence that would
00:39:59
be almost as good as having DNA any kind of domesticated animal uh hairs at the scene would be
00:40:09
interesting to know of but I want to go through this one post here that I found on Reddit there's a bunch of activity
00:40:17
about Chadwell on Reddit as well as web sleuths and all kinds of give the poster
00:40:23
credit all kinds of websites out there yes I will this this poster is you in shits
00:40:31
Creek uh and I thought this was was a lot shit's creek I thought this was a brilliant post here uh it says why pois
00:40:41
Persons of Interest like Chadwell are viable and it goes on to say I think a lot of people are hung up on the idea of
00:40:50
bridge guy being some wellth thought out serial killer that always asks on the same Mo in every crime they commit at
00:41:00
its core we are likely dealing with someone who carries out sadistic impulsive behavior and the outcome of
00:41:08
each incident differs based on unforeseen variables the only definite things we know about the deli crime is
00:41:18
that it ended in a double homicide and was committed by someone that accompanies a pixelated video/ pho
00:41:26
and distorted audio everything else regarding this crime is speculation since law enforcement has kept all other
00:41:35
details close to the chest even my comment not me but uh shits Creek comment even my comment about BG Bridge
00:41:44
guy's Behavior being impulsive is speculation because there is no concrete public evidence that this individual
00:41:53
premeditated it or acted on impulse and that is precisely why any Persons of Interest that at bare minimum targets
00:42:03
younger kids in either an abduction scenario or attempted murder skyrockets to the top of the list a person of
00:42:13
interest doesn't need to commit a crime in the woods use a hatchet knife or axe as rumored have it happen during the
00:42:21
daytime victim exactly 13 or 14 years of age two victims etc etc a profile can be
00:42:30
substantially B broader than that because we don't know the facts of the crime scene and the motive behind it
00:42:39
it's entirely plausible that bridg guy sole intention was abduction and sexual assault and the situation in Deli
00:42:47
drastically morphed and got out of hand resulting in Murder with immediate remorse with no sexual assault occurring
00:42:56
it's also entirely plausible that bridg guy's sole intention was murder it's that ambiguity that makes suspects like
00:43:04
Chadwell viable he lives in the area visually isn't AAR cry from the sketch and has shown to commit sadistic acts
00:43:14
towards kids you can't discredit a person of interest because their recent victim was 9 years old versus Abby and
00:43:21
Libby being 14 a child to someone in their 40s could easily be 8 to 15 years old we just don't know I am hoping it is
00:43:31
him for the sake of justice but if it isn't law enforcement work continues just remember when dealing with mentally
00:43:39
unstable and Psychopathic individuals it isn't always cookie cutter and I think that's good I think that's a good
00:43:47
reminder for people out there that saying it is Chadwell or it isn't Chadwell right we don't know and we're
00:43:55
we're here to speculate at it on it because we've been told to the email was blowing up the inbox was blowing up and
00:44:03
we had people saying look did you see what's happening with Deli there's movement in the case we've had people
00:44:09
say well we just don't want to always cover cases that are cold or cases that are solved we want to we want to talk
00:44:18
about stuff that's current as well so when these breaking news happen and they're big we want to put the work in
00:44:26
and I think like you said I mean if you just go down the laundry list height can
00:44:32
match weight can match hair color can match location can match um age age can match ugliness ugliness Comm match
00:44:42
creepy guy and and then again then I think you start getting into weirder ones if you want to start talking about
00:44:48
the tattoos and you know whether or not this individual likes going to Bridges and stuff like that I think those are on
00:44:56
the outside of things but once you get past five or six you go okay well this is definitely somebody that they're
00:45:03
going to look into but I I think uh if it is him we'll know probably within a week
00:45:10
because there'll be either extra charges or some statement from police uh I hope they just don't go cold
00:45:17
on it because I don't think that's fair to the public especially the public that
00:45:21
has been so adamant on getting uh as many resources as they can to the FBI to Indiana State Police and and others
00:45:32
involved in this case correct me if my memory is wrong here Captain but my general off the cuff kind of off the rip
00:45:42
thinking is that Daniel Nations is really the only one the the man that was a sexual offender in Indiana and
00:45:50
apprehended in Colorado for weird bizarre behavior he the only one that I recall
00:45:57
them not saying that they cleared but I think they had some remark of like well we're moving on from Daniel Nations yeah
00:46:06
I I want to say that uh Carter said something to the effect of he's not somebody we're interested in
00:46:14
at this time right and out of the suspects that we listed that are the publicly known ones he in my memory is
00:46:22
the only one that they they had any kind of statement that could be pointing to that he's not our guy that we've
00:46:30
somewhat cleared him yeah but I think he's the only one that they've ever came forward and say we're looking into
00:46:36
Nations as a person of interest where other people have have had to ask the question about a specific person before
00:46:45
right they mention the name so you go from Nations to this and what really has drawn me out again something we don't
00:46:52
know is the media calling him a suspect or or are they getting that term from law enforcement and if they're getting
00:47:01
that term from law enforcement I think there's probably a handful of other items about this dickweed that we just
00:47:09
aren't privy to it sounds to me and I'm just going off of the the words and and the the what what words were used in the
00:47:17
communications back and forth between law enforcement and the media it almost looks like simultaneously captain that
00:47:25
the the media suspected Chadwell and as soon as they reached out to law enforcement they're saying yeah this is
00:47:32
somebody that we've been made aware of and we're looking at so almost Sim simultaneously he may have come on the
00:47:40
radar of both at the same time or at least he's moved up the priority list very quickly very recently with this arrest
00:47:50
on a April 19th but I think the shitz creek poster yeah it's a very intelligent post I think it's an
00:47:58
intelligent post and I think it brings up you know some other questions and some other thoughts you know when we
00:48:03
talk about we talked about how is Bridge guy a serial killer and and his post very very intelligently points out that
00:48:12
we don't know what the intentions were of bridge guy that day right did did he kill as just because he had to or felt
00:48:20
he had to on that day we don't know but if he was revenge or right and if it were a serial killer type and that's you
00:48:31
know one thing that I know a little more about than the average Joe out there we've seen these
00:48:39
types yeah they they have an ideal victim type but it doesn't have to be their ideal victim type right we've seen that
00:48:49
time and time again Bundy killed a young girl most of his other victims were roughly College age girls a lot of them
00:48:58
happen to have brown hair so did he have a type yes is he willing to step outside
00:49:03
of that to fil fulfill these urges these sadistic horrible urges that he has yes
00:49:10
yeah most of them are uh what you're saying we saw that with BTK we we've seen it time and time again with several
00:49:16
of the serial killers now would he stop can he stop because that was a question that we posed earlier if in fact it's
00:49:27
always been the the overwhelming majority's belief that bridge guy is either a Serial offender serial killer
00:49:35
who has who has committed these crimes before Deli or was just starting off and was
00:49:44
going to commit them after Deli so would he stop can he stop and I think that's an interesting question because when we
00:49:54
looked and profiled somebody like the still unsolved Zodiac Killer we observed a lot of things that
00:50:02
suggested maybe after the Paul Stein murder that he did in fact stop and if he did the most likely reason that he
00:50:10
stopped was because he almost got caught he was almost identified Bridge guy was
00:50:17
almost caught almost identified hell he may have been interviewed by police he may have been interviewed by
00:50:24
police on more than one occasion but when you commit a double homicide and then you see your picture
00:50:31
on the TV days later and then a couple days after that you hear your voice on the
00:50:39
TV that's powerful stuff so would he stop could he stop if in fact he was a Serial
00:50:49
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Twitter Instagram or Facebook and our previous Deli coverage is Deli murders back in episodes 110 and 111 from May
00:51:33
2017 we covered it again in July of 2019 with a four-part series and last year in
00:51:42
2020 we had a deli murders discussion and then just a couple months ago Captain Deli murders 4 years later
00:51:52
episodes 468 and 469 that was in March of this year also we have Kelsey German who is Libby's older sister she was in
00:52:04
fact the one that dropped the girls off that day near the Monon High Bridge she recently had a tweet that was in regards
00:52:15
to the arrest and suspicion that now surrounds James Brian Chadwell II and she said that there's a resemblance okay
00:52:25
there was a resemblance with DN c p TB and several others obviously listing some other public media suspects you can
00:52:36
see these people in a simple Google search of the girl she says they all did bad things but they weren't our bad guy
00:52:46
imagine if every time someone sent me a picture or a name of a person I got my hopes up thinking that could be him I'd
00:52:55
still be sitting here brokenhearted but with no hope left and even more devastated she goes on to say please no
00:53:03
more side by sides no more names turn them in let law enforcement do their job and people that listen to our other show
00:53:14
off the Record OTR will tell you that we reported that just last month there was
00:53:21
an increase to the reward fund to find the per perpetrator of the deli double homicides from
00:53:30
2017 an anonymous donor contributed $100,000 bringing the total in the reward fund to
00:53:43
$325,000 to turn in Bridge guy to make this arrest and make this conviction stick if you want to submit a tip again
00:53:54
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