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[Music] [Music] well it should come as no surprise to everybody reviewing this case that
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Chester weager was found guilty when he was taken to trial in 1968 now is that a good thing
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or a bad thing well it depends in which Camp you are in because there are many people out there who believe that he is
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innocent there are many people out there that believe he is absolutely responsible for the heinous brutal
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murder of three innocent women this case is so interesting to me because of the that still surrounds it even though we
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have this case that's been technically adjudicated and a person found guilty we have all of these questions that remain
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so why does this case that is over 60 years old and adjudicated still lead to so much discussion and debate all of
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these decades later well for many reasons and we are hoping that we can address as many of those as possible
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with other suspicions speculation and things that may or may not point Point toward Chester weager being a good guy
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bad guy or guilty of this crime here in this episode well and like we said before he confesses to the crime then he
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later says well that confession is a bunch of horeshit and go back to 1960 Captain 1961 you're going to have a jury
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of 12 of his peers who ultimately convict them and we got to remember how difficult it's going to in
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1961 for a jury to hear that he confessed not only written confession signed statements I did this I killed
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three people but now you also have me on camera reenacting the crime reenacting the crimes and as I pointed out in
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episode two to me that the the look on his face his movements his behaviors his mannerisms were very convincing to me I
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wish I really wish that I would not have seen that because I think that it has swayed my opinion of Chester weager a
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little more than it should in this particular case Chester weager other than that confession has
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maintained his innocence all of these years and when I say all of these years I mean to date
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Chester weager is still alive Chester weager is no longer in prison in fact he was given
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parole not too long ago 2021 and because he's maintained his innocence and because some people say
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that the confession is not factual cannot be true there are those that believe that he is innocent and then
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there are those who put him away and maintain that he is guilty of these murders as well as the families of the
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victims they believe that he's responsible as well as frankly the parole board right because it's not like
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he's just up for parole 60 years later and they say say yep let him out no he was up for parole time and time again he
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had appeals time and time again those charges convictions were upheld and the parole board kept his ass in prison for
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all of those decades yeah Captain this thing went all the way to the Illinois Supreme Court they
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upheld this conviction now let's go back to the trial real quick though because one interesting aspect amongst others he
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does take the stand at trial his attorney mcnamer who I've heard many people that I respect and and people
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that I think are very intelligent smart individuals have said that they believe that mcnamer did a great job with what
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he was handed I I tend to think that some of the problems with the case that many people have pointed out that
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believe that he's innocent I kind of feel like well if if that was such a big deal if this is such
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a red flag that this dude is innocent then why didn't his attorney pick up on that in 1961 and present it at trial
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because the log not being a murder weapon is one that's pointed out the confession being incorrect is pointed
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out time and time again yet at his trial all we are told is that he he recants the confession that it's false that it
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that uh he felt forced by the Strategic maneuvers of law enforcement to give a confession he only did it because he was
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under the the threat of being sent to the electric chair that it was a way of saving his life but the log not being a
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murder weapon which it there's a lot of reason to suggest that it wasn't that's not brought up at trial
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that's his his attorney's job one thing that I really don't like in this case is
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something that we talked about recently on off the Record the Colonial Parkway murders here we have an individual that
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all these years later we are told is a serial killer ker is responsible for three murders two murders in the series
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of the Colonial Parkway murders we are told that he was once a suspect the prime suspect in those homicides but he
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was cleared because he passed a polygraph in the case against Chester weager we have the complete opposite we
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have been told that he took polygraph Time and Time and Time and Time Again passed him pass him pass him yet he's
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never cleared they never moved on never wavered from their suspicion of guilt of
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Chester weager this case is so frustrating to me because also the prosecution we you we later find out
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that the the prosecutor himself thinks well I think that Chester's guilty but I think somebody else was involved or
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maybe more than one person and then the jury says well we think that Chester's guilty but we definitely think that
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there's somebody else involved so there's all these people that think if he is guilty he didn't act
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alone and I think that I like the way that you said that Captain because I think that that is a little more spoton
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than the way that some of this information is been has been reported over the years so
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he Chester weager threatened with the electric chair we know that their intent was to
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convict him and sentence him to death the jury finds him guilty and then comes back and says our recommended
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punishment is life imprisonment we don't we don't see death penalty here in this
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case now if they're forget about whether you're Pro or against the death penalty I think that it's most of us
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would agree that if there ever were a reason for the death penalty would be for an individual who committed a triple
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homicide but the way that it's been reported over the years is is that the the jury changing it to life
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imprisonment was a clear in indicator that they questioned the guilt of Chester weager yes we think he's
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guilty but you can't sentence this man to die remind you it's 1961 they executed people a lot faster
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back then than they do today if he truly is guilty and you execute this guy then that's it that's all he's
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yesterday's news if he's innocent and you kill this guy well he never gets a chance we never get a chance to get it
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right he will not have the chance to prove that we were wrong that this trial was wrong and that he shouldn't be
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executed by the state so it's always been reported that it was the jury that took it upon themselves to decide well
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this is our fail safe if we got this wrong it it can be corrected at some point as long as Illinois does not
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execute this man yeah and Chester gets lucky though too because what we find out and and what you hear which is
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actually pretty I think sad and shocking once all your appeals are gone they normally destroy
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evidence just get rid of the evidence he was lucky in his case that they didn't get rid of all the evidence but again
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the way I think this investigation was mishandled I think the way they were questioning individuals was
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mishandled I I understand that you need to find somebody guilty of these crimes but even as the prosecutor you go
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well we think it's more likely that there's two people involved but well we have one so we'll try him what happens
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if they would have found the other one and so I I I and then you find out later too that the evidence was mishandled I
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mean they had items placed in in the same bags as bloody clothes oh yeah the the the
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evidence in this case after he was convicted after these appeals were upheld this all these items
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became almost like souvenirs right there were children that had on field trips that had examined
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touched some of the items some of the evidence the it's been reported that the jacket was
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worn by persons for photographs after afterwards the log that is supposed to be one of the murder
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weapons was shellacked and and or lacquered rather lacquered and then placed on the
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mantle of one of the investigators as a a souvenir of his achievement of finding
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the Starved Rock murderer I mean we have a hard time wrapping our heads around it not being
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from the state of Illinois and not being of a certain age but this was again reported as crime of the
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century trial of the century this was big news Nationwide news in the 60s and it was for many many
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years and we have David ruglia the documentarian who put together the three-part docu series on HBO Max
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his father one of the prosecutors Anthony rulia he opens up the docu series by saying look where I
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live it's been a town divided half the people here he's from the area obviously think that Chester weager is
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innocent the other half think that he's guilty and this has sparked Arguments for
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decades I misspoke earlier Captain Chester weager was actually paroled by a vote of
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9-4 in November of 2019 and then released in February of 2020 so as you see in the docu series
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he's released and then about a month later covid lockdowns happen so this this man innocent or
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guilty is locked down once again just now uh in a halfway house I believe on the outside well and and look we we see
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this in movies a lot a guy claims he's innocent so therefore why would he show any remorse he's innocent so the pro the
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parole board is not going to parole him because he's not showing any remorse th this just seems so stupid to
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me because it it seems like they only let him out because there's basically nobody left the judge isn't alive
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Prosecutor's not alive anymore most of the jury members are not alive anymore so there's there's nobody
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alive anymore from this case so it seems like that's why they let him out I mean
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and obviously his age I mean you can make an argument because of his age he's not a threat to
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society but you have to remember he's charged with three vicious murders he basically destroyed these
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victims heads and then on top of that you have you have robbery charges you have the
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rape charge you have all these things stacked up against him and I I just don't see with them not coming forward with
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new information I think the only reason why they ever let him out like I said is
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just because there was nobody else around to argue other than the family members of
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the victims to say don't let them out well and that's why the and I'm glad that it aggravates you because I I
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believe him being paroled should aggravate everyone because regardless of which side of the
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argument you fall on or find yourself innocent or guilty wrongfully convicted what have
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you if in fact he killed three people he deserves to still be locked up he deserves to die in prison if he didn't
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then it's a grave Injustice travesty that he was even in prison at all let alone for six decades right and so you
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could not get it more wrong it it's you know and I I I know it's it's a difficult situation so I'm kind of
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walking a tight RPP here but it's like I I just don't know you know paroling him
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all these years later doesn't clean any of this up they never have to reconvicted because you have all these
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appeals that that he tries for and fails the thing here though too is the reporting on some of this it's very hard
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in this case to get down to Brass tax it's very difficult to get to the fact of the matter and the facts of this case
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because you cannot it's very difficult for people to review this information review the case and not take a stance
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not have an opinion and not maybe allow their opinion to sway or or posture their presentation of this case now one
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thing that I found incredibly interesting is we are told through several sources that oh well the the
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jury was worried about the evidence was worried about if they may get it wrong if the prosecutors were wrong and so
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they spared his life and convicted him to life imprisonment instead of death well that is believable and that that
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may be true I'm not saying that that is not true but I throw this into the ring too that there's another source that I
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found that said that they interviewed some of the jury members and the jury members didn't say that they convicted
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him and sentenced him to life imprisonment for those reasons they sentenced him to life imprisonment one
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because some of the people were uncomfortable with the death penalty for any case not just this case any case
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right and some of the jurors also believed that the life imprisonment was a heftier
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sentence was because Chester weager was so young at the time 21 22 years old that living the rest of his life in
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prison never getting out of prison never leaving those walls was of Greater consequence
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to him than killing him so when you hear that it's like okay well not all 12 of these people thought
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that there is a chance they got it wrong let's face the facts really at at trial
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all they are presenting is the confession they're presenting a handful of witnesses that worked at the starrock
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L Lodge that are saying that the day after the murders Chester came in and he had Cuts or bruises or scratches or
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something on his face now what's interesting is Chester weager does not deny that there was some
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kind of damage to his face because he would say oh I cut myself shaving and then in 2003 remember his Alibi back in
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60 and 61 was that he was in the basement of the lodge writing a letter to a girl well 2003 his Alibi changes he
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says no I was out with my friend friend Stanley Tucker now mind you we went through some
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of the suspects early on in this investigation Stanley Tucker was in that short list he says oh I was with Stanley
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Tucker we went to nearby Oglesby and I got a haircut at the B at the Ben Franklin Barber
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Shop did I have a cut on my face yes I did the the barber cut my face yeah that's one of the problems if you're
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again I think if if you watch this documentary if you dive into a lot of these different pieces of
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evidence the problem with Old Chester is it's almost like he can't keep his own story straight yeah and he
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has an explanation because they go well well why didn't you tell them initially that you weren't writing this letter why
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didn't you tell him you're getting this haircut he's like well see what happened
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was I I did tell them that but then my buddy lied and said no we didn't go I didn't
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take him to get his haircut I wasn't with him and then what you then ultimately find out is you go okay well you know
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was his friend lying did the police threaten him as well but in the initial reports the
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first time he's ever questioned for a very short short period of time his Alibi is he was in the basement of the
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lodge writing a letter to a girl and then there's there's a little too much back and forth on that right like he's
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saying no that's what I told him originally that I went and got my haircut with my buddy and then David
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ruglia goes back to the the first police report of the time of the first time that they interviewed Chester weager and
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in that report remember he's not even a suspect at this point they're just collecting information in that very
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first report they've already stated in that report he says he's writing a letter
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so the what is of record doesn't ever say anywhere that he said that he was getting his
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haircut right and in defense if look if you're going Chester is innocent then you can go well he's been in prison for
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a very long time maybe he got confused maybe he's misremembering maybe he is just coming
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up with alternative stories to try to save himself and let's make this clear you
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can be a liar and not a serial killer you can be a liar and and not have committed these horrible crimes the
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other thing too that makes it dicey is that the other crimes that we discuss the rape of of the 177 or 18-year-old
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girl in the Maas Park the robbery of her boyfriend that's tying him up and and robbing him
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threatening him while he is discussed while this is talked about with investigators while they threaten to
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charge him with this and while they make him stand in a lineup and say that both the boy and the
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girl picked you out amongst five other in you know four other individuals technically he's never
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charged with that case right and as far as the triple homicide goes for Starved Rock he's actually only charged with one
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of the the murders and that was a strategy that the prosecutors decided on they realized
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that their case other than the confession was largely circumstantial right you had the confession you have
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circumstantial evidence it was very very loose yeah he worked there he was in the
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area that's not in question but the other part of that is the scratches and people saying oh he
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came to work and he had scratches and cuts on his face he says it was one scratch or one
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cut the the thing is what we do know all these years later is that Anthony ruglia
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the prosecutor did not believe the confession and so if you're going into it of the mind of this that this guy's
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guilty the only part of the confession that I believe is where he says I killed those three
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ladies well you then are responsible to convict this individual based off of that right even if you don't believe the
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rest of the confession now if you don't believe the rest of the confession you now know going into that trial your case
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is not a strong one and you are going to strategize and you were going to prepare
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your case knowing that it's not a strong one so you charge him with one murder if
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for some reason you don't get the conviction you can now go back in later and charge him with the other murders
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and this is presented in the Chester weager case like this is some crazy novel idea it's not this happens a lot
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right this happens you look at a lot of serial killer cases they take their strongest case and they they take that
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one to trial and they hope to get a conviction and if they do they may proceed with other convictions attempts
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or they may just look if he were were to have been sentenced to the electric chair there would be no reason to charge
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and go to trial with the other two murders and the one thing that I thought was really interesting was ruglia he
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said this and I believe it was in the earlys so like 2003 3 2005 he said look part of my strategy
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being a new trial attorney being a new prosecutor he was like 26 years old when he's trying Chester weager for this most
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infamous case in in Illinois history right remember Richard spec had not killed those nurses yet nobody
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knew who John Wayne gasy was in Illinois those crimes had not been committed yet
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so here he is this this very green young guy trying it it was one of his first trial experiences first murder trial and
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it's going to be one of the most infamous crimes in State history and considered the crime of the century
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Nationwide and so he says this was so smart in this interview that I read he goes you know what I wanted to see how
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the jury reacted to that confession the confession that he gave that I didn't fully believe but believed he was guilty
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and what their take was on it was it good was it a good strategy to present it or bad strategy to present it because
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guess what if it's a bad one I'm gonna leave that part out when I go charge this guy with these other murders yeah
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the second time around we're going to build our case differently against this guy and I do want to say something here
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and this is just gut feeling this is just something from my heart you know we can point fingers all we want even if
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you think that Chester weager is innocent it look if he spent six decades in prison that is
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horrible horrible should never happen to anybody ever especially in this the greatest of countries on this planet but
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the thing here is I don't believe for a second that the individuals that are responsible for putting him in life
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imprisonment I I do believe they all thought he was guilty that they all believe that he had a hand in this that
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he was responsible I actually believe and I'm basing this off of some of the statements I can't say this with 100%
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certainty Captain but I actually believe that the investigators and the prosecutors believed that Chester weager
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and another individual did this the problem was they couldn't build the case against that other individual yeah and I
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don't think they could get Chester to move on that and look there's also evidence that is shown in the
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documentary where early on in this case Chester writes a note to his father basically
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saying look I know what happened I'm just not the one responsible for the murders and again he has excuses well I
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never wrote that I never said that and we know that he's lying about certain things and we know that he changes the
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story to make himself look better December 13th 1960 Chester weager according to records
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wrote a letter to his father from the county jail while he was awaiting trial and the captain's right there are many
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statements in that letter that that imply that either he was a part of something that resulted in the murders
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of these three women or that he knows who did [Music] [Music] all right we are back cheers
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mates two one parters in a row and then all of a sudden boom three-parter well you you let the
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evidence lead your investigation right and we allow the information and the True Crime Story to
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lead us in the length in which we end up presenting these cases right and a lot of times you don't know what you're
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getting involved in until you're eyeballs deep in this murder mystery and I say mystery because I got to tell you
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Captain spending three weeks having reviewed everything I could find on this case I don't know that I 100% know
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exactly what happened here I have some very strong suspicions I have some strong
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feelings but I look up to the sky and say thank you for not putting me on that jury in 1961 thank you for not putting
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me on that parole board all of these years to decide if this man should walk or stay within those Prison Walls well
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and I I look above and say thank you for not making me an investigator on this case I I don't think I don't think
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somebody could investigate that crime scene and walk away without some trauma well that's a good segue here we we
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couldn't plan that any better could we so if not Chester weager if he's not responsible then who is right who
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murdered these women and got away with it well we talked about some of the other suspects that police had in their
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sights at one point we had Stanley Tucker who worked at the lodge there are people that are presented in that docu
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series that seem to have some pretty strong suspicions about Stanley Tucker the interesting thing about him Captain
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is he's the guy that he says that Chester weager says I was with him I he took me to get my haircut at Ben
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Franklin Barber Shop Stanley Tucker says says no I if in fact he told police that
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we know regardless he did tell police that in 2003 we can't say that Chester weager
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absolutely said that to police prior to 2003 right but let's say he did what we do know did happen is Stanley Tucker
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does not put himself with chester weager that afternoon and that's really interesting
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and that could be the fork in the road here for this case because what if you're building your case and you say
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all right we got this Chester weager guy yeah we suspect him and we have reason to suspect St Tucker as well because
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there were some people that claimed that they had seen two individuals that somewhat matched Stanley Tucker and
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Chester weager description and Loosely matched the description of Stanley Tucker's vehicle a black Cadillac down
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near the canyon the afternoon where the women are killed and there's at least one statement that says that two men
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matching that description and that vehicle matching that description were talking to the three ladies that
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afternoon well they both worked at the lodge so they would both have access to the twine that was used to bound the
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victims Chester weager says me and Stanley Tucker he's my good friend he's a good guy he's a great
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guy well what if you're police and you have let's say Chester weager is telling the truth he says well I was with Tucker
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or I was writing a letter whatever let's whatever explanation he's giving at the
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time you talk to Stanley Tucker and you go you know we got to put these two guys
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together we like both of them for this and we actually think both of them did this right Stanley Tucker never
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confesses that's the difference between him and Chester weager and according to everything we've reviewed never puts
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himself with chester weager that afternoon if you had so little against Chester weager to convict him now
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cross-examine that with what you got against Stanley Tucker which is nothing nothing and if you think in your heart
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of hearts that these two committed this crime together you at least go forward against Chester weager hoping that if
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and he never turns on Stanley Tucker he never says no that Stanley Tucker did it
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other than offering up the Albi that they were together that afternoon well Stanley Tucker never turns against
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Chester really I mean other than okay well we have if Chester is telling the truth about his Alibi well then yeah
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okay so then he goes against him there but he's not stating to police or to the public hey I believe Chester is
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responsible for these three murders well and remember we were talking about persons from a youth camp nearby
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youth camp for troubled teens troubled adolescents they described several ways juvenile offenders were involved in the
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search for the three women in fact it was a group of boys from this troubled teens camp that that were the ones that
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first found the women and there are some people that point out well that's a little strange you're searching this
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large area rough terrain and it only took 90 minutes to find them I I don't mind squashing that a little bit strange
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no it it if I'm 15 16 17 years old it's taking me even in the snow 15 minutes to
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walk a mile they were located a mile from where they were last seen so I don't find that to be incredibly
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difficult they had 90 minutes to pass between finding them well and they're also found out a place that is a
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destination in that Park so correct if I'm looking for an individual that's missing I'm going let's go
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to the major areas that everybody goes to I mean again we bring up the deli case a lot but why weren't the girls
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found right away well because they weren't in an area that was was a main attraction to that Park a main area that
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everybody goes to one potential suspect that's not discussed very often is a man he was a boy at the time but a man
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by the name of Jerry nmy what's interesting about him is he was in that group of boys that located
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and found the three women having been beat to death in Starved Rock in St Louis Canyon well
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why would he be of interest it's because well just a couple months later he beat
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a girl to death so this is from the Tuesday May 3rd 1960 daily telegram newspaper charging this guy Jerry nmy
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age7 at the time with murder the headline is Chicago youth admits beating girl to death the sworded brutal account
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of a date a bottle of wine then the rape and fatal beating of a 16-year-old girl
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was told Monday Night by a young fugitive from a correctional Camp Jerry nmy age 17 gave the account after police
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seized him in a stolen car and took him into custody on a warrant charging him with the murder of Marilyn
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Duncan I'm not going to read this entire entire article because it's rather lengthy and there more than just one
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article on this guy because this was a horrible brutal murder of a 16-year-old girl but the short of it Captain is that
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he was out on a date they went together to pick up and purchased a bottle of wine they went to a parklike
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area where they consumed some of the wine and he made advances sexual advances on the 16-year-old girl which
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she was not up for right didn't didn't like Jerry nkey that much and his reaction was to pick up a
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brick and strike her in the head and face with it and then he raped her and left her for
00:36:14
dead and unfortunately she never regained Consciousness after the attack she was transported to the
00:36:23
hospital but either died upon arrival or were on the way there there's no question as to his guilt because he once
00:36:31
he's picked up he he admits this and he tells us exactly how he killed her he says he used his fist he used a brick
00:36:37
and he kicked her as well he stripped off her clothing raped her and took her money took money from her purse and he's
00:36:45
part he's one of the guys that finds these women and you you referenced this earlier it's hard to believe that
00:36:53
somebody wouldn't be scarred terribly by by the trauma of having found them and now you sit here go chicken or the egg
00:37:03
right did yeah was this guy capable of murdering this poor girl before he saw those bodies and the way that they're
00:37:11
found and and oddly enough found in a manner that's so similar to his victim her clothing was stripped off she was
00:37:18
beat in the head in the face these victims beating the head in the face and they're partially ripped off yeah and so
00:37:25
it's chicken or the egg did is he is is he responsible did he have a hand in this and this is just who he is or was
00:37:31
he always capable of it never had anything to do with Starved Rock and then killed this girl or did
00:37:38
this plant some kind of horrible sick disgusting seed in his head so he's an individual that that didn't come up
00:37:47
in the docu series and I'm I'm a little surprised he's not talked about a little
00:37:52
bit more cuz yeah it's so similar again to it's it's it's the instrumentation that's used to commit the crime well my
00:38:03
fist my I kicked her I used this brick okay well if we are correct on what the killer used to kill these three
00:38:15
individuals camera binoculars stick they're all items that would have been found local to the crime items that the
00:38:25
killer would have found with them you know at the crime scene right in the process of the attack yeah whatever is
00:38:32
closest I can grab and use as a weapon and very similar again and he I think he makes a very good suspect they were able
00:38:42
to go back and look at some of the evidence and test it and we do know that one of the hair samples matched a boy
00:38:50
from that area I believe there was four boys in the family and it matches one of them
00:38:56
them and it makes you wonder because they haven't named this individual or at least I couldn't find the name of the
00:39:02
individual is is it this guy's hair sample yeah so it's it's not the the person's not named and and I have my
00:39:11
suspicions as to why and and we'll get back to that in a minute but one person that is discussed is openly discussed
00:39:19
and has been for a long time as a potential suspect is George Spyros and we mentioned him along the
00:39:27
way before he is the son of the owner of the Starved Rock Lodge yeah he is he's an interesting cat um simply
00:39:39
because he's a weirdo well yeah I I don't know I don't know him well enough to say that he's a weirdo but look when
00:39:48
when people that worked at the camp would say that he would they' turn around and he'd be staring at him
00:39:53
through a window and he would uh terrorize a lot of the women by having these dogs that everybody was afraid of
00:40:01
and he'd have the dogs surrounding the building why he'd say I like watching you bend over while you clean look
00:40:09
that's a that's a creepo yes if if I were to believe that that happened and went down the way that she describes it
00:40:16
then yes very weird creep 100% I I'm fully on board with that I just look at the company that she keeps and
00:40:27
it's a short drive to Crazy Town my friend it's a short drive to crazy town so I'm not saying that she's wrong I'm
00:40:34
not saying that she's lying um I have no reason to doubt her but you know there's
00:40:40
two sides to every story I guess and look that here's the thing that that does give me pause with with her
00:40:49
information because her other suspicion is with the dogs right that he would use
00:40:54
these dogs to kind of trap people and she saw in the pictures in the crime scene photos what she says are dog
00:41:02
tracks and that made her Wonder Could George Spyros have brought his dogs and used them to Corner the women
00:41:12
and then attack them and one thing that's interesting too regarding George is that we did talk about red fibers
00:41:19
that were found and a lot has been made of these red fibers uh we do know that they they collected red fibers from
00:41:28
George and I'm not talking about recently I'm talking about back in 1960 right he had a red and black coat
00:41:37
uh and two red jackets one thing that that I'm a little concerned about is the evidence that I reviewed says that he
00:41:45
submitted samples of red fibers from the red and black jacket and one of The Red
00:41:50
Jackets the way that it reads implies that he gave samples from all three jackets but then it
00:41:56
then the statement finishes by saying that one of the jackets is located in another city so it's unclear if they
00:42:03
ever collected any fibers from that other jacket well and because he also worked at the lodge he would have had
00:42:11
access to the twne he would have had knowledge of that these ladies were there I also find it I
00:42:21
do find it a little strange too that you know he was sent away just a couple months after the murders
00:42:30
and I don't know if he was you know maybe that was ple you know maybe that was planned even before the murders but
00:42:36
when your name is coming up in conversation during the investigation and you leave town that comes off as
00:42:44
pretty suspicious it does and and I I'm with you I don't like that anytime I see
00:42:49
that I'm I'm always very curious but there are people to say look his family was from from Greece he went to Greece
00:42:59
uh it was a planned trip it's not uncommon for wealthy individuals to send their
00:43:06
children abroad After High School or once they're coming of age and this was a very wealthy
00:43:14
family and that could certainly be the case or he killed three women or was involved in this murders and and Mom and
00:43:22
Dad seem to know about it or have their suspicions and sent him away I want to be clear here I don't think that saying
00:43:29
sent away is a great presentation of information behold yeah I agree it could simply be planned it it was already
00:43:38
arranged or came about afterward I would imagine that the plan wasn't for the plan may not have been for George
00:43:49
to just you know be a a custodian at the lodge or or be a bus boy at the lodge there there may have been plans for him
00:43:57
to go on to other things other endeavors with an education and such but the the thing that I want to hone in on
00:44:06
is I thought I I was very curious about that when she said the dog tracks and here's the dogs and here's why it made
00:44:12
me suspicious of him and he's a weird guy I right away I I was like fascinated by that thought and then very quickly it
00:44:21
hit me well now we're assuming that those are dog tracks this is out the state park right it snowed those could
00:44:29
be animal tracks of any kind it's never been presented or proven by anybody that
00:44:36
those are are in fact dog tracks and in fact those tracks in the snow they are there I've seen them in the pictures so
00:44:42
she is right to bring that up but it's never been stated by anybody that I could find other than her that those are
00:44:49
dog tracks so raccoon we know that there were hunters in the area because we know
00:44:54
that from people they questioned um so this could have been any kind of animal or track doesn't have to be dogs
00:45:01
at all what happened to George do we know well that's where a lot of people say that uh is another clue in this case
00:45:12
is that so in 2005 George kills himself a lot of people say that the time period when he
00:45:20
does this is suggestive of guilt and why would that be suggested of guilt well because in
00:45:29
2005 there is an attorney who is seeking Clem clemency for Chester weager Chester
00:45:36
weager still locked up in 2005 right seeking clemency and part of that clemency hearing brings up the idea that
00:45:44
George Spyros might make a good suspect in this case I have the details of that of that suicide if you would like for me
00:45:54
to go through that yeah I I think it I think I think it's important as far as when it goes to suspects so there are
00:46:06
police reports that are can be found if you do enough digging here and I had mentioned earlier I did not know exactly
00:46:14
the age of George because his birth dat and age are redacted from any records that I could find not to say that if I
00:46:25
had more time I couldn't figure out his exact age but I mean if you watch the docu series you can see that he's about
00:46:31
Chester wier's age in 1960 and probably a year or two younger I I feel dumb throwing out These
00:46:40
Warnings because it's a true crime show but I know that different people have different triggers and so I
00:46:46
apologize uh in retrospect for anything that I've said but I also will warn you that this this may be too graphic for
00:46:53
some individuals so May 3rd 2005 the police arrived at the home of George Spyros this is because they were
00:47:02
notified that they they should check on this individual there there's multiple page
00:47:08
reports in front of me here from the Lal County Sheriff's office I'm going to sum
00:47:15
it up a little bit to to save us some time here Captain but the when the police so they
00:47:24
pull up the Sheriff's Department ities pull up and they sound their siren and honk their horn multiple times hoping
00:47:31
that somebody would just you know emerge from the home and say hey what's going on officers that doesn't happen so then
00:47:39
they go up and they knock on the door nobody answers ring the doorbell nobody answers they check the door it's
00:47:44
unlocked so now we're going to go in and we're going to announce ourselves well the home is a it's a very
00:47:51
large home like I said these are wealth this is a wealthy family right once strange thing is that they they find
00:47:59
groceries right at the at the front door on the outside of the home like it looks
00:48:04
like somebody walked up set their grocery bags down and then entered the home and left the the front door
00:48:09
unlocked yeah there is a pair of men's pants which we would later determine is they are George's pants that are on the
00:48:18
floor right next to the front entrance to the home so now police are in the home they're they're calling out George
00:48:26
it's the police it's Sheriff's Department welfare check they hear nothing silence pin
00:48:33
drop after they search the home the short of it is in a room and I believe it's an upstairs bedroom that is
00:48:42
being used as an office and I think there was four four or five bedrooms in this home the the description of the
00:48:51
home's fascinating to me I know this isn't a real estate show but Captain I'm telling you the uh there's like a a
00:48:57
sauna and a uh steam room and and hot tub and exercise room down in the in the basement area but this one bedroom I
00:49:06
believe is being used as like an office type setting and what they find in this office is very disturbing so George is
00:49:15
in the office chair positioned to be looking at the computer screen there are large amounts of cash on the desk that's
00:49:24
holding the computer and George has passed away there's a gunshot wound to his head there is a gun on the desk
00:49:35
right but it does not appear that he shot himself in the head and set the gun down on the desk because they find
00:49:40
another handun on the floor next to his right hand where his right hand is kind of draped down over the arm of the chair
00:49:48
that he's sitting in one strange thing amongst others is that he is wearing a green shirt but no pain an the large
00:49:57
amounts of cash on the desk are completely bizarre too and then his small black dog has been shot and killed
00:50:04
as well so a lot of people think that because of this lawyer coming and getting involved and doing a new
00:50:11
investigation and presenting a different basically Narrative of what happened that she then gave some suspects and
00:50:21
some information to law enforcement and because he knew of this that's why he took his life other people then would
00:50:29
argue well he was diagnosed with cancer and he didn't want to go through that ordeal so he ended up taking his own
00:50:38
life because of that scenario well and as you know Captain your boy did a little more Kraken than just that so
00:50:45
it's actually a little more complicated than just being diagnosed with cancer so he was diagnosed a second time with
00:50:56
cancer so he had throat cancer which look there's no there's no easy cancers there's no good cancers obviously but
00:51:05
there are some that you hear from others like oh that's particularly painful in comparison to some other diseases one
00:51:12
could get but I've heard that throat cancer is very and I don't want to get into too
00:51:19
much personal stuff but and we can talk about this off microphone sometime what George did in his ailment
00:51:26
is not unlike a good someone close to me exact same situation minus the dog and the pants off but the way that it the
00:51:39
way that I understand the story from persons that know George or knew George I should say is that he had been
00:51:46
battling cancer for a long period of time he even went through some kind of experimental
00:51:53
treatment and experimental surgery and all of these efforts were for not and he was given the diagnosis
00:52:04
that there's nothing left that we can do for you you are going to be in a lot of
00:52:08
pain and you are going to pass away soon there are several statements by people that spoke to him in the days leading up
00:52:17
to this terrible event that he was there was no optimism and no hope in his words
00:52:26
and not only that like people are saying like well I hope you feel better soon take care of yourself and I'll talk to
00:52:30
you in a couple days and he's he's telling friends and people that care about him I'm not going to be here in a
00:52:36
couple days right he he hinted at this now people go well why are his groceries out front why are his pants off why is
00:52:47
there a large amount of cash why did he shoot the dog I don't know the answer to any of
00:52:51
those questions but none of us I can tell you this none of us sitting in the garage here have experienced anything
00:52:58
that's been described to me that George was experiencing when he chose this and I and I I hesitate to even say that he
00:53:06
chose this it doesn't sound like there was a whole lot of choice involved right I I don't know what that would do to me
00:53:11
mentally emotionally or or how I would handle the situation and I hope and pray that I never have to
00:53:18
so while that doesn't mean that he wasn't involved in the murders it I don't particularly think that his death
00:53:27
suggests that he was involved as others would say because look even if I have no
00:53:33
illness at all if I'm sitting here in my very nice house and have lived my pretty
00:53:39
nice life and something that I did that maybe I was nervous about 1960 a little less
00:53:45
nervous in 1961 when they locked the guy up yeah a little less nervous after he had been in prison for 10 years 20 years
00:53:54
30 30 years 40 years 50 years 60 years and the guy's still in prison he's in prison 44 years later and some lady has
00:54:03
a clemency hearing and brings up my name well she doesn't even and she doesn't even bring up that name publicly she
00:54:09
just gives that name to law enforcement we don't know if law enforcement even contacted him or if they started looking
00:54:15
into him we have no clue about that let me get out my let me get out my Scrabble
00:54:20
game and show you exactly how many FS I give about the situation had my name been brought up 43 years after a man was
00:54:29
still sitting in prison for what I'm supposed to be nervous about yeah and let's be very clear about that it's not
00:54:35
like she brought up this narrative and they went okay well open up the doors and let them out and we got to look for
00:54:42
the new killer we got to arrest him real quickly if your name comes up even if it's publicly who cares your name has
00:54:49
been coming up for years your name has been coming up in conversations since 1960
00:54:56
who cares he's still in jail he's still responsible for the murders as far as in
00:55:03
the Law's eyes you have nothing to worry about so I don't think it's evidence of
00:55:10
anything again now if you think Chester is innocent or even if you think he's guilty but he didn't act alone George
00:55:18
because he worked there is somebody that you would look at similar age range they
00:55:24
could have been fr he had access to the twine but I I don't know I I just I think they
00:55:33
would have found more evidence yeah I think what's intriguing about George is his statements to police back in
00:55:41
1960 and so as like anybody that worked there um we should be clear here too he didn't just work at Starved Rock because
00:55:51
his father owned the lodge he practically lived on the ground rounds of star according to George on the
00:55:59
afternoon of the 14th he was coming and going too remember that's how Chester weager and Stanley Tucker became Under
00:56:06
Suspicion too they were coming and going about that time as well around the time
00:56:11
that it's believed that the women were killed Chester weager goes to the top of the stack because he has a criminal pass
00:56:18
there is we don't have time to go through this part of the story but the there's police record out there that
00:56:27
when he was 12 years old he may have raped an eight-year-old girl I C can I be frank with you here Captain I've I've
00:56:34
been Nick for so long can I just be frank uh I prefer when you're Nick but go ahead I have reviewed several
00:56:42
documents and the docu series and a YouTube video as well as the book and several podcasts and I can't make heads
00:56:52
or Tales of if he was 100% guilty of that juvenile crime and I think part of the problem is that it was a juvenile
00:56:59
case and some of that information may be sealed or completely lost seeing how it
00:57:05
would have been 193 something right right 19 uh no 1940 something so there's plenty of
00:57:16
information out there to suggest that that he was guilty of juvenile rape and there's there's his version of the story
00:57:25
was that no he was not right so I apologize for not getting to the bottom of that one but again him being 100%
00:57:33
guilty in that crime does not mean that he's 100% guilty in the Starved Rock murders but the thing about George is
00:57:40
he's interviewed he gives statements to police he is one of the persons that gives them information that potentially
00:57:50
he's he's not implicating Chester Weaver let's say but he's saying in at least one of his interviews that I think that
00:57:58
I might have seen Chester Weaver and Stanley Tucker out together in Stanley Tucker's black vehicle that afternoon he
00:58:07
says he was leaving Starved Rock and he there was uh two vehicles that were parked on the on the side of the road
00:58:15
and one of them the black vehicle was halfway in the road and the reason why he remembers it is because he had to
00:58:20
Swerve to avoid it when he was leaving Starved Rock and he said I'm not 100% certain but the people that
00:58:28
I saw the guys I saw look like Stanley Tucker and Chester weager and the vehicle looked like Stanley Tucker's
00:58:38
vehicle well didn't he also claimed that he saw them talking to the the three victims yes so in that story there's
00:58:46
another vehicle that's present and there are the three women would have been either a part of the store or not
00:58:55
but what he's doing is he's placing that vehicle on those two individuals possibly those two individuals he says
00:59:01
it looks like them he can't say with that it's absolutely them but this would have been near the entrance to St Louis
00:59:10
Canyon which if you're going to review Stanley's story and Chester weager story neither of those two ever put themselves
00:59:19
anywhere near the canyon so if they were there and they're lying that they were there
00:59:26
then you can go well it's not a short it's not a big leap to think that maybe they're responsible that he gives
00:59:34
another version of the same story at a later date where he says I think I saw five
00:59:40
guys and three women and again he says not 100% positive that it was those three women but it could have been and
00:59:51
not 100% positive that Chester weager and Stanley Tucker were part of the Five Guys that I saw but it could have been
00:59:59
them so it's this weird thing of where like let's let's go down the rabbit hole of pretending George is guilty and lying
01:00:06
and having something to hide he does kind of throw these guys names into the into the realm of possibility for
01:00:16
investigators with these interviews but at the same time he's never saying 100% that's those guys that's who I saw he's
01:00:23
just saying look you asked me if I could remember anything from that day after the fact and as time goes on I've been
01:00:30
thinking harder and harder and this is what I think I remember but he does he is very clear at the end of his second
01:00:38
interview where he says he has the opportunity to implicate Chester weager further and
01:00:47
does not so that he's these are direct questions and answers here we go from the from the police
01:00:53
record you you don't know anything about any scratches or bruises on Chester weager face George's answer no except
01:01:01
what I heard so he's saying I didn't witness any bruises or scratches or cuts on wier's face but I heard from others
01:01:08
he may have had that question do you know whether anyone ever used a straight razor to shave with answer I don't know
01:01:19
question I think that is about everything well they're wrapping up the uh they they're confirming with him do you
01:01:26
have anything else to tell us and he's he's saying as far as I'm concerned that is that is everything you know what's
01:01:31
interesting though here Captain I wish it that that they would had gone down this road a little bit further because
01:01:38
when I hear this question or read this question about do you ever have you ever heard of anyone using a straight Razer
01:01:43
to shave with it that to me leans to the idea that Chester weager told them I cut
01:01:52
myself myself shaving right because wouldn't you think that a coworker if you were to know anybody's
01:02:01
shaving habits wouldn't you think that you would know maybe maybe I'm going nowhere with this but for some reason it
01:02:06
seems to make more sense that what they are implying the question that they're trying to ask without using weager name
01:02:14
is do you know of anybody that shaves with a straight razor right but again so straight razor would be used by a barber
01:02:23
yeah back back to that same interview what did you see answer two cars five men and three women question one of the
01:02:31
cars was Stanley Tucker's Cadillac answer that is right question you saw Stanley there yes question you thought
01:02:41
you may have seen Chester weager answer maybe question why do you think that answer what do you mean why aren't you
01:02:51
sure it was Chester answer I didn't remember it when I should have instead later and the other reason he was
01:02:59
sitting next to the driver and he had his head turned toward the three women who were standing outside of the car I
01:03:07
only got a profile in the back of his head one thing I'm a little curious of they ask if the vehicle was a
01:03:14
convertible and he says no I don't think so but I what we don't get from any of the information everything that I could
01:03:21
try to find is a great description of Tucker's Cadillac other than it was a black Cadillac I mean this case is just
01:03:30
so complex because I think you can make an argument for a lot of these suspects to be involved if you think that there
01:03:37
was more than one killer I think that the the physical evidence of the hair tells me that yes it what I am of the
01:03:44
belief that it was absolutely two persons that were there that assaulted and killed these women yes what was
01:03:51
their intent what was their motive I don't know because we still don't have answers we kind of have this idea that
01:03:59
we think that this hair matches this individual that lived in the area but we don't have the answers to the other test
01:04:09
of the other hair that was found in a different victims because that hair doesn't match it's not the same hair so
01:04:17
therefore there has to be at least two killers yeah and so here in lies the there's a couple problems because you
01:04:23
have a attorneys for Chester weager who they want the conviction vacated and they are the ones that went to the great
01:04:33
efforts to get a judge's approval to test some of the evidence that has survived all of these decades they
01:04:43
brought nine items that they wanted to get tested the judge gave them permission to get eight of the items
01:04:51
tested what we do know is in August of 201 22 the results from hair evidence tested from the starve Rock
01:04:59
murders that was received from a laboratory it came back the results came back one of several of the hairs found
01:05:05
on a glove worn by one of the victims Francis Murphy it was a man's hair and the DNA was
01:05:14
retrieved and the hair was found not to this hair was found not to belong to weager now what's what's really
01:05:21
interesting Captain is I found from the 60s that said that when they tested the hair and we know this from
01:05:29
the docu series because the docu series says the hairs were dissimilar they were
01:05:35
comp the hair that was found at the crime scene the murder scene was compared to Chester weager and the the
01:05:41
the analyst said dissimilar now to be clear if anybody's out there getting ready to conduct their first
01:05:49
investigation you don't take hair from suspect and hair that's found at the murder scene put them into a computer
01:05:56
and the computer says absolutely yes this is a match or absolutely no this is not a match this
01:06:02
is skilled trained individuals that are reviewing these under microscopes and saying whether or not they are similar
01:06:11
or dissimilar so dissimilar does not mean that 100% that hair did not match or belong to Chester weager right what
01:06:21
it means is if you call me and ask me to skip work one day and come into your courtroom and ask my opinion I'm going
01:06:29
to tell you they're dissimilar would I say this hair came from Chester weager I would say no it did not but what's
01:06:36
interesting now we have the DNA you pull the DNA we have Chester wier's DNA that's why this case it here's the
01:06:44
other thing if he's innocent and if they got this completely wrong my God can you imagine if they
01:06:51
would have killed him in the electric chair this would have all went away this whole mess would have gone away a
01:06:56
long time ago if he would have died in prison if he wouldn't have lived into his 80s this all would have went away
01:07:03
eventually but because he's still alive and now because he's out we will probably we well not probably we are
01:07:11
getting more answers in this case and the answer that we get is that this hair that was found on the glove of one of
01:07:18
the victims that I believe I would ding ding ding let's wager Franklin that that hair in that woman's
01:07:25
hands she ripped that out of the scalp of the individual that was attacking and beating her to death yeah that hair the
01:07:32
DNA the follicles on that hair the DNA with found within that follicles do not match Chester weager that was not his
01:07:41
hair so why don't we get clemency there was another victim that had ripped hair from
01:07:49
the individual that was beating her to death and that hair is different than the hair that was was found in the other
01:07:54
victim's hands brown hair compared to blonde hair both hairs were compared to Chester wier's hair via microscope in
01:08:03
1960 both of them dissimilar unfortunately from my understanding Captain the other hair and the other
01:08:12
victim's hands it's not really going to be very helpful to our case in 20124 because I don't think they found
01:08:21
any follicles so therefore there's no DNA with current technology to take from that hair to check against Chester
01:08:29
wegers they did go the extra mile with the DNA that they did find on the other hair and
01:08:39
attempt to cross check it via databases to find a match now I've seen some sources that say that
01:08:48
they've never found a match you brought up boys um I think we should be clear here
01:08:54
I've never seen the statement boys I think maybe you had boys on the mind because we were talking about Jerry nmy
01:09:00
who was only 17 right the information I found and I'm not saying that that you're wrong it
01:09:05
could be boys it who who knows the Jerry nmy could have been involved or it could have been another
01:09:12
teenager or a group of teenagers but the information I found was that saying that
01:09:18
that it's believed that they found that this hair would match one of four brothers does that
01:09:29
sound right to you that's the information I found yes yes four brothers that grew up or had lived in
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the area at some point yes now the reason why I think that they are not willing to name anybody and I don't know
01:09:44
this for certain maybe they do know which of the four brothers are belong to there's a good chance that none of those
01:09:50
brothers are alive and that they can't we can't deceased yeah we can't go out and do the
01:09:57
boots on the ground detective work and go out and try to collect your DNA somewhere brothers
01:10:04
and then pull it in and con and 100% connect it today it it may have only the DNA may have only LED you that far in
01:10:14
the family tree where you can go well it matches it will match one of these four
01:10:20
brothers but we we don't have enough evidence to know which of the four brothers what would be interesting is
01:10:28
let's find out who had four brothers in that area did Stanley Tucker have four brothers in that area because if he did
01:10:33
if he had three brothers in that area I because I still am living in a world where I think it's possible that him
01:10:39
that weager and Tucker may have done this together there are other people that say maybe Tucker and George Spyros
01:10:46
did this together or all three and then there are people that we didn't even get
01:10:51
to yet in here that have fallen Under Suspicion Smokey Rona who was muscle for the
01:11:00
mob his name has been bandied about in this case for decades and and probably for good cause yeah claimed he got paid
01:11:09
$25,000 for it one thing that is shameful is you want to talk about getting paid MH the some of the
01:11:17
investigators got paid there was $355,000 reward money $30,000 of it was put up by the employees or sorry
01:11:26
employers of the victim's husbands 10,000 each and adding up to 30 and then the owner George Spyro's father put up
01:11:38
an additional 5,000 so $335,000 was parsed out and given to the investigators in this case stupid it's
01:11:51
it goes against everything that we should stand for and and and frankly you do something like that
01:11:59
that's a breeding ground for corruption so I was very upset to to learn of that well that that's again he goes back to
01:12:08
the whole thing if the investigation is mishandled if the interrogations are mishandled if the trial is
01:12:15
mishandled if there's just so much that you can make an argument in the court of law that this
01:12:23
case at least one of the murders is solved still to this day and they're trying to get him
01:12:33
cleared but just I think 16 hours ago prosecutor came forward and said hey we're we're
01:12:41
we're M we're setting a motion a motion to get this whole case dismissed so as as of right now Chester is responsible
01:12:50
and the court of law is responsible for at least at least one of these murders but I think you can make a very
01:12:57
strong argument for and against almost every suspect and I think what makes it so
01:13:05
complicated is we don't even know how many killers there are is there one is there
01:13:12
two did George see these Five Guys or these five guys that were seeing talking to these three three women are they
01:13:20
responsible well the gentleman Jansen who went on to work for the FBI and and Strikes me as a very brilliant
01:13:28
investigator he was brought in to give a fresh set of eyes to this case after it
01:13:32
lingered for a couple months before they arrested Chester weager and he said look
01:13:37
after I reviewed the case he's convinced that somebody gave a ride to the ladies
01:13:42
that that whether they asked for the ride or whether they were offered a ride or for we we can't believe forced to
01:13:48
take the ride because we see pictures of them smiling and having a good time after they arrived at the Canyon
01:13:55
but his review of the case says to him that somebody gave them a ride to that Canyon and he thinks that because that
01:14:03
person or persons has never come forward saying look I gave the ladies a ride that day that they probably Then
01:14:10
followed them into the canyon and were the person or persons responsible for these horrific murders I think that's a
01:14:17
brilliant analysis of the crime and the way that it potentially went down we didn't even get
01:14:25
into the Paul uh Paul Meer brothers who are other persons that have been mentioned as suspects potential suspects
01:14:33
in this case Smoky Rona we touched on him a little bit but this case it's it's interesting it's fascinating and I'm
01:14:41
glad that we are getting some answers I'm hopeful and I I like that there's finally some real true science getting
01:14:49
involved in this case and I would like to see that science eventually name names because this mystery has got me
01:14:59
all confused and backwards here as to who could be responsible weager comes off at times as a victim and other times
01:15:07
he comes off as just some potentially evil human being and I I don't know how to sort that out but look there's a lot
01:15:16
of great source material out there we've referenced a lot of it throughout our coverage of this case again I think the
01:15:24
best thorough and most impartial Source material is Chicago mag.com the amazing article by top-notch
01:15:33
writer and true journalist Jake Mali uh he did a masterful long form story titled unmaking a murderer there's
01:15:42
also a book called The Starved Rock murders by local author and historian Steve Stout that was published by UDA
01:15:50
house publishing in 1982 there's the docu series on Max that we've talked about that was done by
01:15:58
David ruglia and uh take if you haven't seen it yet take note of the fancy house
01:16:06
and office that David ruglia has um and that's all due to hard work and success he's actually the founder of American
01:16:15
Crew The Brand American Crew yeah and then you also have a podcast that is called the Starved Rock murders with
01:16:23
Andy hail so I will throw out a little caveat here a little buy or beware the starrock murders book by
01:16:32
Steve Stout while it's great and I find Steve Stout to be very brilliant he is absolutely convinced
01:16:40
that Chester weager is guilty and it rings loud and clear throughout the book the docu
01:16:49
series presents everything in in a very good manner on on Max where it gives a lot of both sides of the story and then
01:16:57
if you review the Starved Rock murders podcast with Andy hail that is fullon chest Chester weager is completely
01:17:06
innocent and probably framed which makes sense because who is Andy hail Andy hail
01:17:12
is one of the attorneys representing Chester weager so that all makes sense but regardless Andy hail David ruglia
01:17:20
Steve Stout and Jake Mali all great fantastic work by all of them and Captain great work by you and thanks to
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all the listeners for tuning in and joining us on this wild ride this [Music] week want to thank everybody for joining
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us here in the garage same bat Time same bat Channel Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful
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listeners yeah open up your eyeballs a little recommended viewing uh in December of
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2021 HBO Max released a three-part docu series that you've heard us reference several times in our coverage of this
01:18:08
very intriguing case the docu series is called the murders of Starved Rock the series focuses on the investigation into
01:18:17
the murders and weager incarceration with the idea that maybe he is innocent the series was produced
01:18:24
by Mark wallberg and of course focuses on David ruglia the son of Anthony ruglia who was one of two Prosecuting
01:18:34
attorneys in this case back in 1961 we both recommend this docu series give it two thumbs up five bottle caps
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you will enjoy watching this one again it's called The Murders of Starved Rock and you will find that on the max app
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until next week be good be kind and don't [Music] litter