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yourself out. It's going to take a little bit of time, but once you hear your name, you're
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going to get excited. So excited that you we in your pants. And that is enough of the business.
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>> All right, everybody, gather around. Grab a chair. Grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime.
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[music] [music] We covered the details and some of the speculation regarding the night and
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early morning hours of 19-year-old Brandon Swanson's last known whereabouts last week. Now, we need to cover the
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search that ensued for Brandon after the discovery of his abandoned green Chevy Luminina, which was found hung up in a
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ditch on the side of a gravel road. And reminder, this was approximately 20 m from where Brandon thought he was. The
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searches have been exhaustive, thorough, and in my humble garage opinion, highly
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professional. Investigators brought in search dogs, which started at the vehicle. The dogs led investigators up
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and down some country roads and then to a woods by the banks of the Yellow Medicine River. The descriptions of this
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river are really all over the shop here, Captain. While the depths of the river range from anywhere from just knee deep
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up to 15 feet in certain areas, this particular area, meaning parts of the Yellow Medicine River within walking
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distance of where Brandon's vehicle was found, several people have stated that this part of the river is much more like
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a creeksized waterway. But we should also keep in mind that like with most waterways, the Yellow Medicine River's
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depth can vary greatly depending on the time of year. At the time Brandon disappeared, it's reported that the
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river was flowing high and fast with spring runoff still impacting the flow. So by most reports, we are talking about
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a very strong current at the time. According to Sheriff Vizki, quote, "There are two miles of the river in
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that area and it took six hours for deputies to walk it." He said he personally walked the river every day
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for 30 days. Quote, "At the time, the dogs indicated and it was believed that he must have fallen in the river in that
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area." End quote. The sheriff then added, "So, we searched that area on the premise that he had been washed
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downstream, but the dogs didn't just track Brandon scent to the river's edge." According to Brandon's mother,
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Annette Swanson, one blood hound followed a scent from the stranded car down a gravel road to a farm. She said
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this was a long trail. It was about 3 miles. This long trail is what led to the Yellow Medicine River. Annette says,
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"When the dog walked them up to the river's edge, the dog jumped in the river, but then jumped back out." After
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jumping out of the water, the dog continued to walk, following a trail up to another gravel road. This was a road
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that separates Lion and Lincoln counties. >> And then at some point, the dog loses
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the scent, she says. Now, because the dog actively jumped into and then back out of the river and then continued
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along a scent path that ended into nothingness. Investigators are not convinced that Brandon drowned in the
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river. Sheriff Vizki pointed out that had Brandon fallen into the river, he should have been found in the river or
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downstream somewhere. No trace of Brandon has been found anywhere, but if he was washed away in the Yellow
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Medicine River, you'd think that something like a, you know, a shoe, his jacket, anything would have been found.
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As the river dried up later in the season, this exposed more of the land along its banks. More searches were done
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during this time, but still again, nothing turned up. The area of the river that is in question that was searched,
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it was searched over 50 times. All with no results. Absolutely no evidence other
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than the dog leading them to the river that Brandon, you know, that he was ever even in the river that he drowned in the
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river or remains in the river to this day. >> Were there multiple dogs? Because sometimes they'll have multiple dogs and
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sometimes they have one dog and they do multiple tests with that one dog. So throughout the years, what gets a
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little difficult with in this case when we're reporting on it, there have been so many searches, and I'm certain that
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throughout the years, there's probably been a search or two that only contained one dog, but a lot of the stuff that I
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was reviewing, they're referring to dogs plural. So I believe that we're talking
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about multiple dogs. Now, I don't know that using the searcher's words and the sheriff's words, it's a little
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conflicting because at times they say the dog led us to the river's edge and then other times they say the dogs led
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investigators to the river. So, I don't know if in this exact point if it was just one dog or multiple dogs. The other
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thing we need to keep in mind, too, is sometimes we're dealing with different kind of tracking dogs. dogs that are
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trained to look for different things, >> right? >> You know, sometimes when you're looking
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for search and rescue, you're you're tracing a scent and other times they're they've actually brought in cadaavver
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dogs, dogs that are looking for human remains, >> right? The problem here is again, Captain, the
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the Yellow Medicine River, I think, could hold some secrets, but the problem with that is other than
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the dog or the dogs leading the investigators to the river, there's never been any other evidence that
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Brandon went into the river or drowned or, you know, and remains in the river to this day.
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>> Right. But the the problem is we have >> we have no evidence of >> we have no evidence of a lot of things.
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>> So I I do want to go to a comment that I saw by his mother Annette Swanson and
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this seems to be backed up or at least a shared feeling by other family members.
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They don't seem to be 100% convinced that Brandon drowned that night. And then I think you have to go back to
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this because if in fact if you believe the search dog's accuracy Brandon entered and then exited the river.
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>> Yeah. >> So look, I want to try a little exercise if you will, Captain. This >> But hold on a second. It's it's
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difficult because we don't know how the dog tracked. Let's say the dog jumped into the river, jumped out of the river,
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and then walked the the river's edge for, you know, a/4 mile or whatever, and then veered off into this other path.
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That would make me believe more likely that he went into the river and went down the river for a time period enough
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for the dog to follow the scent. The problem with some of these reports is that we don't have this great detailed
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report or we don't have video footage of what actually happened. So to speculate
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too much either way, you might as well pull out your crystal ball and and make a guess because you don't know.
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>> Well, of course, nobody knows. And that's why this is a an interesting case and that's why it's still talked about
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so much to this day. But okay, so you say detailed description, detailed report. I I want to try a little
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exercise here. Okay. And this will be quite helpful, I believe, especially to those who are either familiar with the
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area or for those who did look up a map of this area. Like we mentioned last week, I want to go through a detailed
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description of the part of this search. Okay, there's a lot of searches throughout the years, but I want to go
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through this one in in very good detail here because again, I believe with with the dog information, the dog tracking
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information, if we believe the accuracy of the dogs, this is really one of very few pieces of possible
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evidence that we have to go on. Right. >> Mhm. >> So, okay, here's what we do know. Dogs
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tracked Brandon from his abandoned car. Remember, his car was found in Lion Lincoln County Road, 1 and a half miles
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north of Route 68. So on the map, if you're looking at it, go north of Route 68 and continue north past 390th Street.
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On my map, I placed a pin on Lion Lincoln Road at the halfway mark right between 390th Street and 160th Avenue.
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So, we know from the conversation he had with his folks, Brandon thinks he is near Lind and he eventually comes up
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with the idea to meet them in Lind via him walking there. He says he sees the town of Lind or the
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Lind town lights from his car, >> right? >> And he's going to walk towards the light. So, there are two things we can
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deduce from his statements here. One, Brandon is basically heading in a northwest walking direction. So, he
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believes he is souththeast of Lind. Well, northwest of Brandon's car is the town of Porter. So, he is very likely
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seeing the lights coming from the town of Porter. So, number two, he thinks he is
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southeast of Lind. >> So, again, if the dogs are right from his car, Brandon walked half a mile south on Lion
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Lincoln Road and then turned right onto 390th Street. He walked on 390th westbound for about a mile. Then he
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makes another right onto County Road 16, walking northbound. He walks for about a
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half a mile. And then he decides to go off of the road and make a left, now walking westbound on a private driveway
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of what has been described by at least three sources that I could find. This is a driveway belonging to a an abandoned
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farm. >> Right. He continues westbound for approximately a quarter of a mile and
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then veers off the driveway and continues on roughly following the course of the Yellow Medicine River
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traveling northwest. >> Well, again, we also have to be clear about these driveways because a lot of
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these back roads are rough, right? They're not not every single one is paved nicely.
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>> A lot of them are gravel roads. Yes. So, you have to you you can't um assume at
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this point that >> that he knows if he's going on a road or a driveway, >> right?
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>> Would that be safe to say, >> right? And and again, he may not even care as long as he believes that he's
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making his way in that direction that he wants to go. >> So, now he's he's he's kind of very
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roughly following the course of the Yellow Medicine River traveling northwest. But but how how much is the
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distance between the car and and the river? Like if you had to guess. >> Well, it's difficult because there it's
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very different between where the you know how the crow flies to the route that he is taking because he's taking a
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very roundabout way of getting there. He's he's going we see him going south and then he's going west and then he's
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going north and then he's going northwest, >> right? >> So, he's traveled a few miles once you
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add this all up. But again, he's he's not taking a direct cut right to where we have him now. Oh, well, and I think
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this is important be because we do have a little bit of a time gap um from when his when his father decides to
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take his mom home to come back out and we have a time gap and then they're back on the phone and and do and I know that
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time gap is kind of blurry, but I I think the key thing here is what I'm what I want to point out to everybody if
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they are following along on the map, you can you can really see where about he would be based off of the information of
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the dogs. And it's once he starts doing this this route that that roughly follows the yellow medicine river there
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traveling northwest. This is approximately where the blood hound jumped into the river and then jumped
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back out. Now the the handler, as we said, interpreted this behavior as possibly indicating that Brandon might
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have fallen into the river at that point. But then Brandon traveled onward walking heading north toward a gravel
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road. It is here that the trail ends. The dog or dogs lose the scent. Really any number of things could have happened
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here to to make this trail end. The the scent vanishes. He starts off in a very roundabout way of walking northwest with
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the idea that he is walking into town. this obviously regardless of what town it may actually be or what town he
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thinks he's walking into. I want to point out some things here too that are kind of working against Brandon if that
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is his exact movements. Remember we talked about this is a route, you know, route 68 would be a route that he would
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have taken from school to his house. I think rather than assuming that he knows the area well, I would debate that
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quite heavily, I question that that off of anything off of Route 68, he may not know at all. You know, he may just take
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the simplest way to and from school and to his house day after day after day and
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never veering off of that Route 68, which he is clearly off of at this point. >> Right. And anybody that knows these
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country roads or not not exactly these country roads, but country roads in general, you might be able to go, well,
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I I go down this main path and then I head down one country road and that gets me to another town, right? And then
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that's your path. But once you jump onto these, you know, other country roads that you're not familiar with, they
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could take you anywhere. You wouldn't know, >> right? >> You know what I mean? So, and again,
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so I think there's also evidence that backs up that he doesn't know the this area so
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well because we have evidence that he's not where he thinks he is. >> 100%. We we know he's not where he
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thinks he is. And and what I think's working against him here in this situation,
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>> alcohol. >> No, I think that there are things there are indicators that to to tell him that
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he is where he thinks he is. Meaning if I if I'm looking around and I go, "Oh, northwest of me there's the lights
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coming from >> Lind, right? >> Should be Lind. Oh, but it's not Lind. It's Porter.
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>> But it's something." Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's an indicator to him that he's he's right, even though he's
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clearly wrong. >> And then on top of that, the direction he's taking from his vehicle to walk
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into town traveling northwest, >> let's pretend he does know the area very well. This would work against him even
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more because to walk into Porter, he would need to cross a major road and there's a river that runs into Porter.
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Okay, that's the red wood I'm sorry, the the north branch of the yellow medicine
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river runs into Porter. Now, if he were to walk northwest into Lind again, he would have to cross a major road, 23
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instead of 68. >> Mhm. >> There's another river that runs that direction into the town of Lind. That's
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the Redwood River, >> right? That's if he knew the area so well. >> Yeah. If he knows this area really well,
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he's going, "Well, >> still going to be confused." >> He's going, "Shit, I'm right.
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>> There's the town of Lind. I know it because here's the river backing my feelings up and here's the road that I
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have to cross backing my feelings up as well. >> I still think he's impaired. >> He could be. He could be and and I think
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we can we can debate that here in a little bit, but I want to go through some of the search
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>> now. >> I want to go through some of the search efforts here, Captain, but to to go
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through all of them would be ridiculous. if you want to to [clears throat] dive into that even further, that stuff is
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available online. And specifically, I want to point out um some of the sources for our research here. We have
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footprints at the river's edge blogspot.com. >> That site has been raising awareness for
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specifically for missing young adult males since 2002. >> And then there's a really interesting
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thing regarding this case. We have Jeff Hassie who has really been the one that's led these these uh searches
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and there is a website the search for Brandon.blogpot.com this website. >> But who's this guy?
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>> He he's in charge. We'll get into him in a minute. But okay. Uh one thing I want
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to point out while I'm telling people if you want to look into it yourself, >> check out that the search for
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brandon.blogspot.com blogspot.com. That is basically a website that reads like individual journal entries for each
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search that took place and they have journal entries listed for searches that were conducted over a three-year time
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period. >> Right. >> So, very detailed information there. The areas around Brandon's car where his car
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was found, they were searched using ground searchers, ATVs, horses, and helicopters.
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>> Yeah. >> A company that we've talked about many, many times, Texas Equ did come in to
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help bringing in underwater sonar devices, a remote controlled plane, and other high-tech equipment to help the
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search efforts. And still nothing was found. Before you'd have to raise a bunch of money to get somebody to go up
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in a helicopter. Now with technology, we can use these these drones to cover so much area and detail.
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>> Right. And then by July of the year that he went missing, the Lincoln County Sheriff acknowledged that he personally
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believed that Brandon Swanson was likely deceased by this time. And they're still
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searching at this. And this is where we have the if you review the the sheriff's
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statements throughout the years, I think he's just really kind of perplexed by this whole situation because you will
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see statements where they say he can't be in the river. We've searched it so many times, but then here in July of the
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year that we went he went missing, we have the sheriff saying we believe he's deceased and and he likely fell into the
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river. >> Yeah. Now, within a few months after the quote unquote official search for Brandon
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stopped, which was actually about 10 days after he went missing, a new private search company took over the
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search for Brandon. This was, and this is going to answer your question, this was Search Rescue, and Recovery
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Resources of Minnesota, which was headed up by a man named Jeff Hassie. >> Mhm. Hassie is not your amateur civilian
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search organizer. He uses scientific methods and mathematical calculations such as theoretical maximum distance
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traveled equations, probability studies, and statistics to come up with the search areas and likely scenarios.
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Besides his work for the SRRM, [laughter] that's that's a handful there. >> That's what we should call the show.
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>> Yeah. Hassie is the founder of Midwest Technical Rescue Training Associates, a
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nonprofit organization that teaches technical rescue skills to public safety providers. Well, they're going to do
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some kind of scientific and mathematic equations as far as, you know, the average human can walk a mile in in 15
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minutes, things like that >> to kind of narrow down the search a little more. >> Thank you, Captain. And and I I want to
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talk about this because we talk so much about criminal profiling on this show. Well, when you think about it, Jeff and
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his team are using similar techniques to try and find and rescue or return lost persons. Basically taking whatever
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evidence they have here. We got the car. The scent trail, the phone call with dad
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saying, "Oh shit." And then the car call drops. They're going to take that information and layering layering that
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with information and statistics collected from previous search efforts. You throw that algebra equation into a
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blender and boom, now you have prioritized search areas. You have a game plan. One of these statistics is quite
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interesting. Hassie says, and and this was to the Independent where he said this. He says, quote, "Retrospective
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studies based on the International Search and Rescue Incident database found that in these circumstances
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involving abandoned vehicles, the subjects were found within 5.6 miles from the last known position. This is
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95% of the time. This yielding a total search area of 98.5 square miles. The median distance is 1.3
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miles." So 5.3 square miles search area. There's one statistic used to help prioritize the search areas. And also
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you might use this equation as well. The average person as you pointed out and this is what they're going to use in
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Brandon situation walks 1 to 3 miles hour yielding a 1 to three mile search ring or 3.1 to 28.3 square miles. This
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is based off of he's in the car, he's walking for 47 minutes while talking on the phone to his father,
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>> right? >> And then he says old [ __ ] and the call drops. You would use this information in
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regards to what you know by the information provided by Brandon's mother and father. What time he started walking
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from where he left his car and ending with the old [ __ ] moment. that's the indicator for his disappearance or
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demise if that's the thinking. Now, I think that that's some fascinating stuff and we will get back into that in a bit
00:27:09
when when we get to the theories and our thoughts, but that's what they're kind of working with here. Look, he points
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out 98 what do we say six square miles. So, roughly 100 square miles. That's a huge
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area to try to search. And anybody that knows this area, we're dealing with farmland.
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That's difficult, especially when you we're talking about when the the crops are high.
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>> Yeah. Very much so. And then also, like you said, there's multiple water sources.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, you you have to use this information to profile where you think
00:27:48
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promo. [music] [music] >> All right, we're back. Cheers, Mims. >> Cheers to you, Captain. Oh, I want to
00:28:45
give a another cheers here. I got a fantastic message from a very longtime friend of the show. Remember Gina,
00:28:55
private investigator down in Texas who helped us out with the dark past episodes?
00:28:59
>> Yeah. >> Uh >> Gina Gina Badass. >> Yeah. Regarding serial killer Felix Veil. So she had some kind of thing to
00:29:08
go to at one of her children's uh schools or one of their classes. She wore the ban the van t-shirt to the
00:29:17
school. She said that the teachers loved it and the kids were very confused. >> [laughter]
00:29:22
>> So, she's hoping it's a life lesson for for I guess that class. >> Well, we're going to start uh sponsoring
00:29:30
police um police departments to go into the schools just like the DARE program. We're starting the ban the van program.
00:29:36
>> Ban the van program. >> So, regarding the searches, Captain, there there were multiple searches, as
00:29:42
we said, over a number of years. Parts of the river were even drained. Now, on the 5year anniversary of Brandon's
00:29:50
disappearance, twin cities.com discussed the scale of the search for Brandon, saying more than 500 volunteers,
00:29:59
including 34 dog handlers from nine different states, spent more than 120 days, searching for Brandon and covered
00:30:09
part of 120 square miles. We have Jeff Hassie who says it's by far the biggest search that he has ever been
00:30:20
involved in in terms of length of time, number of missions, and number of searchers involved. Remember, he's the
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search manager. >> A search in October of 2013 focused on the Mud Creek area. This is a few miles
00:30:36
northwest of the town of Porter. The cadaavver dogs consistently hit on the creek, leading searchers to believe that
00:30:45
the waters from wherever Brandon's body is located somewhere in the watershed were possibly washing into this creek.
00:30:56
And that's why the dogs are hitting on this area. Again in 2015, searchers searched farm fields northwest
00:31:05
of Porter where the dogs were hitting on a scent. This included an area that they
00:31:11
had not been able to search for several years. And this is because of harvest schedules and bad weather.
00:31:19
Ken Anderson, president of Emergency Support Services in Minneapolis, who partnered with Jeff Hassie, said
00:31:28
concentrated on the area northwest of Porter because search dogs were quote still getting the scent that says there
00:31:35
are remains of a human in this area. End quote. >> So, we're again, we're assuming those
00:31:42
are cadaver dogs and not scent dogs that they used before. >> Correct. Yes. This is according to
00:31:49
cadaavver dogs. They are hitting on areas northwest of the town of Porter. So it may be likely that Brandon's
00:31:57
remains are somewhere in that area. Again, this is a large area, >> right? >> And it's my understanding that these
00:32:05
dogs when they hit on this scent because of winds and such, they can be hitting on this even for miles away.
00:32:14
>> Mhm. Now, another search was conducted just last year in May of 2018, and this
00:32:20
was um just another search where they really they found nothing. Now, I do want to
00:32:27
point out here too, something that I think is important to this case is that back in March of 2010, the Minnesota
00:32:35
Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the BCA, they became the lead investigating agency on this case. The BCA has said
00:32:45
that the case remains open and leads continue to trickle in. In fact, last year in 2018, Derek Woodford, BCA
00:32:55
special agent, said, quote, "The case is open, and just last week, I got another
00:33:00
lead or two. Sometimes you need a break in the case. All it takes sometimes is one thing. So, we're not giving up." End
00:33:07
quote. And we talked about this a little bit on Off the Record uh recently where
00:33:14
if if if you are working a case and the trail has gone cold for you, you may trade it off to another investigator.
00:33:23
You may hand it off to somebody else. Put some new eyes on this thing to see if I missed anything. And we also see
00:33:30
situations with these cases where they will hand it over to a whole another agency completely. And that's what
00:33:38
happened here in 2010, March of 2010. Let's start to get into some of the theories here, Captain.
00:33:47
>> There's a lot of them, right? Because Brandon's disappearance is it's very frustrating and it's mysterious. He was
00:33:54
on the phone with his dad and then he wasn't. And now no trace of him has ever been found.
00:34:00
>> Well, not just that. I mean, he says, "Oh shit." And then the phone gets disconnected.
00:34:05
>> Right. Right. And and so the internet is just rife with rumors and theories about
00:34:11
what could have happened to Brandon, >> right? >> Uh I think we >> it's a big topic on Reddit.
00:34:18
>> Yeah. And and there's so many so much so out there that we can't list all of them.
00:34:23
>> Uh but we're going to try to go through some of them. >> Yeah. You could read stuff about, you
00:34:27
know, possible abducted by aliens. Um >> that was first on my list. alien or some
00:34:34
other strange abduction or disappearance, >> possible Sasquatch, >> right? I think I think if that were to
00:34:43
be the case, it would be better recognized on some other show, right? >> Yeah. >> Um, unless you feel different.
00:34:51
>> No, I don't think there's any evidence of that. I'm not saying I'd rule that out as out
00:34:56
as a possibility on a case. If if there was like some sightings that night, oh well, we we had 300 sightings of a UFO
00:35:06
and then this kid went missing, right? >> Maybe I'd have a little more weight to
00:35:09
it. But I think sometimes in these missing person case, they go, "He was probably walking down the road and and
00:35:15
Bigfoot got him, you know, or the aliens took him or um the Moth Man or he he went into a time portal." Uh, you know,
00:35:27
just have some kind of evidence of this. >> I You know what? I thought there were a
00:35:31
ton of theories out there. I think you just added two more to to the possible theories,
00:35:37
>> but there's no evidence of those, so they're not >> Well, and you know what it I one sad
00:35:41
thing. Well, I mean, this this whole case is tragic and sad, but when I was doing research for Brandon's case,
00:35:50
our old friend's Thinking Sideways covered the case. >> Oh, yeah. >> And it brought a tear to my eye. Devon,
00:35:58
>> I listened to the thinking sideways and and basically what they said in Brandon's case regarding alien
00:36:04
abduction. This was kind of funny. Uh they were saying >> Devon Joe and Steve >> there was no crop circles.
00:36:12
If if he were abducted by aliens, there would have been crop circles. And I obviously I don't know that to be true,
00:36:17
but I found I found that to be funny on their show. And I miss their show and I miss those
00:36:22
>> th the the those guys. >> Yeah. So, let's get into some of the much more likely theories.
00:36:30
Here's one that that that is constantly in this case. It says Brandon tried and and some of this is ripped straight off
00:36:38
of the internet. Brandon tried some bad meth that night and had a bad reaction to drugs andor alcohol that he have he
00:36:47
consumed and he got so disoriented enough so that he got totally lost. >> Mhm. Well, we know he was lost. We have
00:36:55
evidence of that. So, this >> Well, no, they mean lost for good, >> right? >> So,
00:37:02
>> phone gets disconnected. He says, "Oh, shit." Maybe the old [ __ ] isn't that big
00:37:06
of a deal. He keeps walking. He goes further, gets even more lost. That's a possibility.
00:37:13
>> Mhm. I think the difficult thing here is I I don't think he'd be so impaired or
00:37:20
so unhealthy that by the time um and yes, this is a rural area, but by the time that the the sun would come up up,
00:37:32
I would think that Brandon would get to a road and at least see somebody um pass him by and possibly could get
00:37:42
help. >> Mhm. So that's the only reason that's the only problem I have with this
00:37:45
theory, >> you know, and this theory in itself almost seems cut and pasted from Brandon
00:37:53
Lawson's case, right? Brandon, same first name, tried some bad meth that night. >> Mhm.
00:37:59
>> That's that's a theory in both of those cases. And what I want to just like scream from from the top of the mountain
00:38:05
is this shouldn't be any news flash for anybody. It's all bad meth. >> [laughter]
00:38:11
>> Yeah, there is no there is no good meth. All right, just don't do meth. >> That's what we should call our ban. Good
00:38:17
math. >> Well, here here's All right. Ban the van campaign was uh was this year. Maybe
00:38:25
next year's campaign is don't do meth. >> Bad math. >> Right. So, again, this is ripped
00:38:32
straight off of the internet. Um it it's total speculation, but here's some things here. It's been thrown out there
00:38:39
that Brandon maybe tried drugs that night, possibly meth, >> and then behaved just as Brandon Lawson
00:38:47
did, disoriented and confused, possibly even seeing things. Now, we referenced a
00:38:54
pipe that was found in Brandon Swanson's car. The pipe found in his car is of unknown origin. These are the words of
00:39:03
Sheriff Doll. That I hope I'm saying that right. It's D A HL. Mhm. >> He said that it is not known whether the
00:39:09
pipe even belonged to Brandon. Police, in my opinion, must not have given it much weight because they have publicly
00:39:17
stated that they do not believe that Brandon was impaired that night. The problem here though, meth is a real
00:39:25
possibility. Apparently, this area of Minnesota is so it's no stranger to meth troubles. In fact, the Minnesota Bureau
00:39:34
of Criminal Apprehension website contains two options for public access. One, search public criminal history. The
00:39:42
other one is search methamphetamine offender registry. It's there's so much of it that they have to give a whole
00:39:51
category to it on its website. So clearly there there is a problem in that area.
00:39:57
>> Well, it's 2019. There's a problem in this whole country. So, >> correct. >> So, yeah, we don't have to worry about
00:40:03
that. That's that's a possibility. And again, you could have done something um at one of these parties cuz we assume
00:40:10
that he went to two different parties. So, there's two different accounts of possibly where he was at and is in, you
00:40:17
know, and his partyiness of his his level of partiness that that that night. >> But we have a situation where he's a
00:40:26
little lost. He's a little confused. Tries to call some of his friends. They don't answer.
00:40:31
I think if he is on something, he wasn't so messed up that he wasn't afraid to call it his parents,
00:40:37
>> right? [clears throat] >> Or so messed up that that there's no there's nobody inside.
00:40:45
There's nobody involved in this case that is saying >> we believe he was so messed up that
00:40:50
that's what led to his demise. >> Yeah. And think about the brain. >> Everybody on the outside is going,
00:40:55
"Well, he probably just did some meth and and ended up hallucinating." But we have the father, we have the mother, we
00:41:01
have the sheriff, we have friends. None of none of them are going, "Yeah, he was
00:41:06
so effed up that that he ended up >> God knows where." >> And we can get into that right now
00:41:11
because like I said, we have these two accounts of these parties. Yes, maybe the first 60 days or so or or maybe even
00:41:21
less than that. But what was he drinking? Not really for sure. Uh I don't think he was drinking too much.
00:41:28
Maybe he didn't want to get him trouble. Maybe he smoked some weed. Maybe they did some more than that. I think if they
00:41:34
would have done more than that as time uh would have went on, I think his friends would have came out and said,
00:41:40
"You know what? Uh we didn't want to get him in trouble at first, but it's important for us to let you know that he
00:41:47
he he smoked meth that night." Right. >> Right. >> Uh that has not happened. Uh, and then I
00:41:54
think the other thing that has not happened is with the Brandon Lawson case, for example, we have a 911 call
00:42:00
that makes zero sense, >> right? >> And that and we have a um we have a situation here with Brandon Swanson
00:42:09
where he's talking not only to his father but also to his mother >> and both of them are saying that he
00:42:15
sounded fine. >> Right. Now, he now that could be he sounded fine for um it being that late
00:42:23
at night and being a little confused on where he was at, >> but I don't think there's really any any
00:42:29
indication that he was on some psychotic >> um >> well that he's hallucinating and he's
00:42:36
totally off his rocker here, >> right? It's not like he's >> cuz he talked to his father for 47
00:42:41
minutes. That's after other phone calls with his mom and dad, >> right? >> 47 minutes. That's a tough time to try
00:42:48
to play the sober game, >> right? >> And look, I think you and I could agree that he's probably somewhat impaired. I
00:42:55
mean, it's late at night. We know he's had a couple of drinks, >> but it the the thing I want to really
00:43:02
point out here, >> I I would say, and I'm just going to put this out there, I would say he's as
00:43:06
impaired from the alcohol as he is from uh just being tired. And well, and here here's one thing that I want to I want
00:43:15
to really go into and maybe not stay on it too long, but one thing that I really
00:43:21
looked at when looking at this case was, okay, I go into a lot of these with with
00:43:27
the idea that there may be foul play. So, let's at least look at that angle. Okay, if there was foul play, who had
00:43:35
the means and the opportunity to be involved in that foul play? Well, in this situation, we have mom and dad who
00:43:44
are saying they spoke to this boy, their their boy shortly before he vanished forever. So, one thing I did, and I I
00:43:52
apologize to the family, but when I went into this case looking into it, I wanted
00:43:56
to know as much as I could find out about mom and dad and their search efforts and what took place the night
00:44:02
that he went missing and and since then regarding mom and dad. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but that that's what
00:44:08
you have to do, >> right? And what I can tell you from from what I've spent two weeks on looking at
00:44:14
mom and dad, I can tell you they only have one agenda in this entire huge story, and that is to find their son.
00:44:22
They have at no point I don't I've never got the feeling at any point that these
00:44:26
are parents that are going, "Well, yeah, he was really messed up, but we don't want the memory of Brandon to be that.
00:44:34
We want the memory of him to be good and wholesome. No, no, no, no. I'm telling you his parents, the vibe I get,
00:44:42
Captain, is that if whatever would help them find their son, they will say it. They will do it.
00:44:48
>> Right. >> They don't care about public opinion. These people have spent years, they've
00:44:52
spent time, they've spent money, lots of money. Some of these searchers were volunteers. And a lot of this stuff they
00:45:00
they spent their own hardearned money trying to find their son. >> And we all know somebody
00:45:08
that has struggled with addiction of some level and you know their parents and most of the time those parents do
00:45:15
not shy away from their kids' problems. Mhm. >> So, I don't think it's like you said,
00:45:23
you're going to have these overly concerned parents on trying to find their kid, but they're not willing to
00:45:27
tell the truth. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> Right. And the other thing too, which
00:45:32
is, you know, people compare this case to Brandon Lawson, but they also the the meth believers or the people that state
00:45:41
that he did some bad drugs on this night, they often point to the case of Michael Whamsley and Janelle Hornicle.
00:45:50
This was this was a very famous case in Nebraska. >> The two were very high on meth. Again, all meth is
00:45:58
bad meth. They suffered delusions and they were calling 911 multiple times reporting that their truck was stuck in
00:46:07
some snow. They ended up freezing to death just within 2 miles of their truck. Again though, this kind of points back
00:46:17
to me that mom and dad don't think he's messed up. The sheriff doesn't think that he's messed up. The friends don't
00:46:23
think that Brandon's messed up. And what happened in this other case that everybody keeps pointing to? They found
00:46:29
the bodies. They don't find Brandon. We don't know where Brandon Swanson is. >> I have an issue though with with the
00:46:36
whole car thing. And again, I don't know the road that well. And so getting to the point where your car is stuck.
00:46:44
That concerns me. And again, I think that leads to being impaired somewhat with um just tiredness and then also
00:46:53
being somewhat impaired by the the alcohol. Um maybe enough to just go I don't I can't get out of this mess right
00:47:01
now. So I got to I got to start walking take off on foot. >> Mhm. >> Um but again, I don't know the road that
00:47:09
well. So it could be just, you know, happen stance where here's this kid that went to turn around or went to do
00:47:16
something with his car and it just so happened to be the wrong place to do that at. And that even even if you're
00:47:23
sober, you're gonna get hung up on it. >> Yes, I I would think so. And looking at
00:47:28
pictures that I found of the site and of the area, that's what it looks like to me. That Okay, so these are these are
00:47:36
long country roads where there's not much turnoff. You there's not like a spot where you're like, "Oh, I'll just
00:47:41
pull in here and back out and turn around." >> Right. >> This is and especially >> not a lot not a lot of houses on these
00:47:48
on these roads. And especially think of think of yourselves out there, right? Okay, we've all been in a situation
00:47:56
where >> man, I'm handsome. >> where we're frustrated, where we might be in a hurry or we're lost or turned
00:48:01
around or whatever and we're frustrated and and we do something out of haste that in the end we realized was just a
00:48:09
dumb, stupid move, >> right? >> And the thing that I think here is looking at these pictures, it appears to
00:48:15
me there's not any turnoffs. And he's like, you know what? I got to turn around. I think he just made a bad turn.
00:48:21
I think I think there's ditches on both sides of this road >> and maybe a little pissed off and so he
00:48:28
he was a little too aggressive. >> Yeah, it's a a narrow road and I think he thought he could make the turn but he
00:48:34
didn't. >> And also if your drive is taking you a little bit longer or that it's such a
00:48:41
frustrating thing to to be going, am I going the right way? What the hell's going on? like you said that that maybe
00:48:48
just a little too aggressive and and that stops you from um being able to drive your car.
00:48:57
We rolling. Another theory, Captain, is that Brandon could have been hit by a car.
00:49:04
>> Mhm. >> Many people like this theory and believe that possibly the oh [ __ ] that he
00:49:10
uttered was in response to an approaching vehicle. for this to be the case. Obviously,
00:49:17
whoever hit Brandon had to take his body and the body was taken away to hide after this accidental death.
00:49:27
Okay. So, the the reason why I like this is that we have evidence that the dog goes to the river, gets gets out of the
00:49:33
river, goes down another path, kind of in um ends its search or ends the scent kind of in the road.
00:49:42
>> Mhm. So that would make you lead, you know, that's evidence to show that this
00:49:46
theory makes some sense. >> Correct. I, you know, I've heard this, I found this to be quite strange. Some of
00:49:53
the searchers were saying, you know, the the dogs can only follow the scent for so long.
00:50:00
>> Yeah, I believe that. >> I believe that, too. But I don't fully comprehend it. And and what I'm getting
00:50:07
at is so so what they're pointing out is that at this spot on the road where the
00:50:12
dog lose the scent or the dogs lose the scent, >> right? >> Is because they've been following it for
00:50:18
so long, they they point out that that doesn't actually mean that the scent went away or right
00:50:24
>> that they that Brandon that something happened to Brandon in that spot. The problem with with Look, there are
00:50:31
several holes in this theory. I like this theory too >> at first, but when I really started
00:50:37
thinking about it, I I I I distanced myself from this theory because because of the holes. One, if something happened
00:50:44
to Brandon at that spot, it's not like they can't find that spot. They were led to that spot by the dogs. There should
00:50:50
be some You would think there would be some indication that something happened there. Possibly blood or or anything
00:50:57
else, >> right? and and we know like let's just we can assume that these people search
00:51:02
and go okay well here's roughly where the scent stops we're going to look you know before that and after that again we
00:51:09
have no blood evidence we have no we also have no evidence of him telling his father oh there's this car coming up on
00:51:18
me there's none of that there's >> that's where that's where the theory falls apart okay he's saying to his
00:51:25
father just before he says oh [ __ ] he's describing that he's walking along a fence line, that he's off of the road,
00:51:32
he's going through a field and that he can hear water. So, this doesn't sound like an area that you're going that that
00:51:41
a car would be driving through. The car would be on the road. If this is was an accident, this car is not driving in the
00:51:48
middle of the field between >> driving on top of a fence, >> right? So, so if if that in fact is
00:51:55
true, then that part that makes the theory impossible. Now, let's pretend go back to what you were saying. Let's
00:52:02
pretend that Brandon was walking on the road. Uh if here's the problem with that.
00:52:12
His father is driving around looking for him. There is no way in hell that Brandon does not say to his father, "Oh,
00:52:20
I see you. you just turned. I'm right up here. Do you see me? I see your headlights. He would if he saw a car, he
00:52:27
would very likely assume it to be his father first. >> Or even if he didn't assume it to be his
00:52:32
father, he would say, "Wait, there's somebody coming." Or he would these are these are things he would say to his
00:52:38
father. >> We could have evidence of that. The same scenario is that we have evidence that
00:52:43
he's telling his father, "I'm I'm walking along this fence line. I hear water. Oh shit." And maybe that old [ __ ]
00:52:50
is I fell into water. I get out of the water. I keep going down the path. I'm not on the phone with my father. That's
00:52:57
where I get hit by a car. That's a that's very likely, too. The reason why I don't like this theory is we have no
00:53:04
evidence of of tire treads, no like uh sign of a vehicle trying to stop. Uh no sign of a vehicle trying to speed up. Um
00:53:15
no blood evidence. And this would be dark. So >> yeah, >> to to be able to clean up that blood
00:53:22
evidence uh would be nearly impossible. The other thing I don't like is we know that he had a cell phone on him.
00:53:30
We don't have, you know, a broken cell phone somewhere. Well, and some people regarding this theory even point out
00:53:37
what would be the probability that if you hit a total stranger in the middle of the night of on an accident
00:53:44
that that you even decide to take the body with you and clean up the the scene, >> right? You would just drive away,
00:53:50
>> right? A lot of people point out that that there is a certain percentage that
00:53:54
would just continue along their way. So I it's an interesting theory to ponder, but I I put the probability level not
00:54:03
very high because of like you said, >> right? Right. I think as a armchair detective or even just a law enforcement
00:54:10
has to put this on the list of things that we have to dive into and and rabbit holes we need to go down. It's with any
00:54:18
missing person case when we have nothing at the end of the day, you have to go, did this person run away? Did this uh
00:54:24
did this, you know, did this person want to start a new life? We these are questions that we have to keep asking
00:54:30
ourselves over and over and and and I think this is an important question to ask. I think that there's just zero
00:54:36
evidence of this. >> The other another theory is that Brandon met with foul play. Now, this theory
00:54:43
encompasses several possibilities, but but most likely two possibilities. >> Mhm. one, Brandon fell victim to a
00:54:51
random killer or that someone who knew him followed him and there was some type of confrontation or ambush and Brandon
00:55:00
was killed. Let's address these in turn. Okay, first the random killer. This theory is that Brandon was unlucky
00:55:09
enough to stumble upon a opportunistic killer who murdered him and disposed of his body.
00:55:16
We have to consider what are the chances that Brandon would encounter some random
00:55:21
psycho killer in rural Minnesota on farmland in unused roads in the middle of the night. Right? This is remote
00:55:30
desolate area with rugged terrain at 3 in the morning. Now, an offshoot of this theory of the
00:55:37
random killer theory is that, and this is probably well definitely more plausible in my opinion, is that Brandon
00:55:45
was on private land and maybe stumbled upon >> a pissed-off farmer. >> Yeah. >> You know, someone shot and killed him
00:55:53
and hid his body, >> right? Or this is an area that you shouldn't be out in. It's like it's like
00:55:59
my neighborhood, right? at 3:00 in the morning. I know all my neighbors. You shouldn't be driving down my road,
00:56:08
right? >> Yeah. >> It's It's not good. So, in this case, you got a kid that's lost. Maybe the
00:56:14
farmer doesn't know he's lost. >> Mhm. >> But you're on my property. If you're on
00:56:19
my property at this time uh of the day, >> I think you're a bad person. >> It's nothing but bad. Right. So
00:56:26
therefore, uh, you know, you're going to be met with my shotgun, >> right? The farmer doesn't have to be a
00:56:33
psycho. The the farmer might be scared and assume that you are a psycho. >> You're you're you're outside of my house
00:56:40
creeping around in the middle of the night. Now, >> the the thing here is this this is a
00:56:47
>> another offshoot of this theory that I have seen um very rarely discussed. So,
00:56:52
I do want to point this out as well. This is an interesting one that possibly Brandon fell into an illegal booby trap
00:57:00
intended for poachers or for thieves or for, you know, any number of reasons, >> right?
00:57:06
>> And then eventually was was killed trapped there or was killed by the person that set the trap.
00:57:14
>> Yeah. Again, you would think illegal booby trap. I I don't know how that works. Well,
00:57:24
>> booty track. Yeah. >> What the what they're what this is suggesting is that somebody has set some
00:57:31
type of traps on their property. These could be for animals. They could be for against people, anything. Um it's I
00:57:40
wouldn't throw it out of the realm of possibility. It does lead to the idea of why they've not found any evidence
00:57:48
because this theory would suggest that somebody then later covered up whatever took place.
00:57:54
>> Yeah. But again, it doesn't have to be illegal. It could be, you know, if somebody's coming through this field,
00:58:02
it's nothing but bad, right? Um so he gets hurt by one of these things. They go out there, they go again, the only
00:58:10
reason why you'd be out here is bad. They take care of uh Brandon. They kill Brandon and then find out later it was
00:58:17
just a lost kid. >> And then Right. And >> but you have to be kind of psycho to to
00:58:22
come up with those uh to want to do that. >> Mhm. The the other thought here, Captain, is hunters. Maybe somebody's
00:58:32
out there hunting out of season. Yeah. We talked about on Boys of Boys on the Tracks,
00:58:39
>> they're out spotting for animals. So yeah, but you should know that this I mean if it's an accidental shoot
00:58:46
shooting, you should know it's not an animal because this person was talking to somebody on the phone. See, that's
00:58:53
where I I think an intruder thought uh you know, like protecting your land makes a little more sense because you
00:59:00
you would hear this kid talking >> and so maybe you would start assuming that he's talking to somebody else
00:59:06
that's with him. Mhm. >> Uh which would get you, you know, you you'd raise um your suspicions a lot higher. You know,
00:59:16
>> I do want to go back to the idea that maybe this wasn't a stranger, that it wasn't that there was foul play, but the
00:59:25
offender is not a stranger. because we really should address that. There are several message boards online containing
00:59:33
post where they're talking about local rumors regarding what took place in this case and people suggesting that Brandon
00:59:41
either owed some people money for vehicles or drugs. It varies depending on the posts that you see and that he
00:59:50
was actually targeted and killed as a result of these debts. Yeah, it's an interesting theory and an interesting
00:59:56
rumor, but do we have evidence that he owed anybody money? >> Other than those rumors, no. There
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doesn't seem to be anything that's backing that up. And again, what's confusing about those rumors and why I
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think they may just be rumors is they're citing two different things that he has
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a debt for. Right. >> Right. It's not like, you know, in some of the posts they're stating that he had
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a debt because of drugs. Other posts they're stating he had a debt because of vehicles. I think the vehicle thing
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would be if there was any truth to that, it seems like mom and dad would be like,
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"Yeah, he always had all these different vehicles and all these strange trucks and cars and whatnot." So, and the other
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problem with that too is if you in fact believe that he's he's going, "Oh, shit." because he sees somebody that
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he's afraid of, then you have to believe why wouldn't he say anything to his father about seeing headlights, seeing a
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vehicle coming toward him. That did not take place. So again, that doesn't it it
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makes it not ring true. I don't think either of those rumors are true. I think it's just people trying to come up with
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some rationale of what happened. And and even if he could prove that he owed somebody, you know, bought a little weed
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from somebody and owed them 20 bucks or something like that, I don't think there's any evidence of Brandon, you
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know, being a hardcore drug user. Uh but again, >> usually you have to rack up quite a bit
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of debt before somebody wants to kill you. >> Yeah. Not so >> not if you're buying from the captain.
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You owe me 10 bucks. That's 10 bucks. I'm coming after you. Um no, I just don't think there's a lot of evidence of
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that. And again, like how how much money would you have to owe somebody on a car?
01:01:44
It seems like it's almost like somebody came up with this idea. And yes, it's possible, but it's also possible that
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you owe somebody money. You you owe your buddy a,000 bucks and he didn't come after you and and you just happened to
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go missing. >> Mhm. Well, there are two things that I believe do tend to point to Brandon
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being the victim of foul play. One, Brandon is listed in VCAP as a missing person. As we brought up in episode one,
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VCAP stands for the Violent Criminal Apprehension Program. There is not a long list of missing
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persons on VCAP. Last time I checked VCAP, there were 64 missing persons listed on there.
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And what people will point to in this case is that they believe that there is a reason why he would be on there on
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this short list, >> right? >> Meaning that someone, whoever put him on there, believes that violence was
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involved in his disappearance. People point to this because they wonder if the FBI in fact has reason to believe
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that Brandon was the victim of a violent crime. The other thing regarding this too is that the VCAP entry for Brandon
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contains one interesting tidbit of information that we did mention earlier. His vehicle, the Chevy Luminina, was
01:03:15
found with the doors open and the keys missing. We can presume that Brandon took his keys, but then why would he
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leave the doors open? That seems very strange to me. Was somebody else actually in the vehicle or did someone
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come along later perhaps the following day and open up the car, you know, looking for things to steal or or for
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whatever reason? We also have Sheriff Viski who definitely considered and left open the possibility of foul play,
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saying, quote, "The only thing would have been if someone was in the shadows and they got him that way." He said, he
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said he can't say that there wasn't someone else out there, but adding that he can't find any evidence of it,
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stating that cadaavver dogs and searchers, he explained, should have found a body or some evidence if Swanson
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had succumbed to the elements. Adding, I can't explain why clothing, belongings wouldn't surface after all these
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searches and after all this time. Now, in episode three, Captain, we will tear through some of these theories, get into
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some more. But before we go, I want to leave you with Brandon's mother, Annette Swanson, what she told the St. Cloud
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Times. She said her greatest fear is that people will forget Brandon. She says, "Talk about Brandon. Brandon is a
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real person. He touched a lot of lives, and don't forget him. He has a smile that lights up his whole face. He is
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big-hearted and kind and he really believed in doing the right [music] thing. [music]
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So much more to get to. Stick around for part three tomorrow in the garage. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling
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your mother. Thanks for telling your brother. Thanks for telling your sister. Thanks for sharing on social media.
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>> All right. And everybody, make sure you be good, be kind, and don't live. [music]
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