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reintroduced to Kyler yust a name we've heard before he was the boyfriend of missing person Cara kapetsky from nine
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years ago Jessica did not tell Jackson that she was going out with Kyler that Thursday night when she did not come
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home now at this time Kyler was living in Kansas City with his grandfather this after being released
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from prison just over a month earlier and he was hanging out with Jessica runyons of Raymore
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who was as said apparently the girlfriend or ex-girlfriend of Kyler's friend Jackson Mallet meanwhile on
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Saturday September 10 2016 at 1 41 a.m the Kansas City Fire Department found a vehicle on fire at 95th Street and Blue
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River Road this is in Jackson County Missouri the man who reported the car fire recognized the license plate of the
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burning vehicle as that belonging to a girl he'd seen online as missing Jessica Runyan indeed the car which was
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incinerated to a smoking shell was Jessica's Equinox it had been deliberately set Ablaze with
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gasoline spread inside and out of the vehicle later that day on the 10th a young man named Jessup Carter called the
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Belton Police Department he told them that he was with his half-brother Kyler yust
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apparently they share a mother when Kyler said Jessica Runyan's vehicle on fire further Kyler confessed to Jessup that
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he had strangled Jessica and that she was gone double douche canoes Tyler told Jessup he dragged her into the woods and
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left her there Kyler had asked Jessup to help him destroy the vehicle and to hide evidence
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and while he was burning the vehicle Kyler got burned himself yes he managed to burn his hands and face while setting
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Jessica's car on fire Jessup took Kyler to a trailer home in Edwards Missouri to let him hide out for
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a while and heal from these Burns but then he decided to call the police it's too bad Jessup didn't decide to put
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Kyler out with the shovel authorities obtained a search warrant to search his mobile home they were looking for
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evidence in relation to the vehicle fire and to a missing person's investigation
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well and remember he was also the main suspect in The Disappearance of Cara they collected a blue plaid shirt and an
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alcohol pad and a Q-tip with blood on them but more importantly they found Kyler
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yust hiding out just as Jessup had said photos of Kyler taken by police showed that he had burns on his face he also
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had Burns and blisters on his arms and hands and in my opinion Captain if you look closely at these pictures you can
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see he also has scratches on his face and hands that came possibly from Jessica runions defending herself what's
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interesting that you point that out because that's in my notes but that's not reported anywhere well since they
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had no idea where Jessica was police did not feel that they had enough to arrest
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Kyler for her murder they don't know in fact at this point if she has been killed they just know that she's missing
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at this time so what they did do though was they arrested him on charges of knowingly
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burning a vehicle which of course is not as serious as murder but at least it would ensure that
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he would be locked up for a while right while they're going to try to obtain other evidence against Kyler but also
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based on what his half-brother is saying it leads you to the idea that we need to
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find her and chances are you're not going to find you're not going to find Jessica live yes in these situations you
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are looking for a live missing person until you have something to suggest otherwise and here with jessup's story
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that he's telling two police we have something to suggest otherwise very sad and disgusting Kyler was taken in by
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detectives from the Kansas City Police Department's fugitive apprehension unit on Wednesday September 14th this was his
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28th birthday he was arrested and held on fifty thousand dollars cash only Bond and at this time in our timeline Captain
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Kyle wasn't talking to anyone anymore Kansas City Police issued a press release conducted searches for Jessica
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interviewed all of her friends and acquaintances and followed up on tips and leads they searched the area where
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Jessica's car was found for two days reportedly they collected a bag that belonged to Jessica found where the
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vehicle was set Ablaze they continued searches for Jessica over the next few months even asking the public for any
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type of surveillance footage that they may have from their homes or from businesses that were near
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the location that the vehicle was found well this is like deja vu to this small town 25 000 people this just happened
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nine years ago where we were looking for card now we're looking for Jessica this
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whole Community is going to Rally around these families Cara's family is going rally around Jessica's Family and I wish
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more communities were like this and it's just great to see in this case so the authorities searched Kyler's
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grandfather's apartment remember he's living there briefly with his grandfather once he got out of prison
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this was in the 8700 block of Crescent Avenue Kyler's grandfather his name Alfred used
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aged 85 at the time told the police he didn't know what was going on with Kyler as he hadn't been around for a few days
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Alfred later told the star that Kyler was a good boy when he was living with him and his late wife he said he never
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saw the side of Kyler that police say they were seeing meanwhile Jaime runions this is Jessica's mother was going crazy
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with worry about her missing daughter right where could she be one you would think
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that law enforcement would a relay they basically have a confession from Kyler to dress up about him strangling Jessica
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and leaving her out in the woods her family spent the time Captain conducting organized searches actively looking for
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Jessica and handing out flyers they told the media that these activities keep us
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from sitting at home waiting for a phone call adding that we can't just sit this
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was Mike runyon's Jessica's grandfather told the Kansas City Star Jamie found some solace in the only
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person who could understand what she was going through believe it or not it's Rhonda Beckford
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we've heard that name before that's because that's Cara kapetsky's mother Rhonda and her husband Carr's stepfather
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they've been actively keeping cars case in the public eye for all these years now organizing rallies and walks and
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keeping the Belton Police accountable even as the investigation dragged on with seemingly nothing
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Rhonda told the Kansas City Star that when she first learned on the news that Jessica runyons was missing
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and that she had last been seen with a man named Kyler used her heart sank she reached out to Jamie Rhonda said her
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primary focus now was supporting Jamie and helping her stay positive she told the star quote when you're
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going through something like this you have to hold on to hope if you don't you end up in a very dark place that's good
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advice she hoped that with Kyler's arrest some light would be shed on what happened to her daughter Cara as well as
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Jessica over the next months with no sign of Jessica her family held vigils sold
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t-shirts passed out flyers and tried to keep the pressure on the police to find their missing girl
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they also searched everywhere they could dedicating as many as three days a week
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every week to look for Jessica and this is kind of shocking here captain not once but twice
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in fact two weeks in a row groups out looking for Jessica discovered other human remains
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they found bodies in Brushy wooded areas bodies that were not Jessica or Cara at
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least the family thought that they were providing some type of closure for some other families if not their own well and
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also remember if you go back nine years prior this restraining order against Kyler was that he was choking Cara so
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now here we have another situation where somebody's claiming that he strangled Jessica yeah and like you pointed out
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the Belton authorities it looks like they were fairly certain that Kyler was the one responsible for Cara's
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disappearance way back in 2007 and they just couldn't prove it Belton PD Lieutenant Brad Swanson often visited
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Kyler in prison and made sure that Kyler saw him when he was set free so he tells
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the Kansas City Star that I make sure that he never forgets that I'm around and this is interesting because it looks
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like since 2009 the Kansas City Municipal Court Records showed that police gave Kyler at least eight traffic
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citations for everything from failure to obey traffic signs parking in an improper Manner and running a red light
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I mean these are all things that they should issue citations for anyway but it almost gives the appearance that the
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police always seem to be around or on the lookout for Kyler they're kind of letting them know we're
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watching you now that Kansas City Police had Kyler incarcerated for that car fire and again
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he finds himself being the suspect number one in a disappearance of yet another young woman Belton Police began
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working with the Kansas City Police Department to gather evidence against Kyler that could help them both put
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murder cases together against him well in 2010 he was accused of trying to choke his 18 year old girlfriend to
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death and he was also accused of trying to kill her three cats so what we have here
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Captain is sadly Carr's case goes cold and then all these years later Jessica goes missing we have months that go by
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and it looks like we're in danger of the same thing happening here in this case well it's hard to get a
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conviction if you don't have the body well the break that law enforcement needed
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it comes in the spring of 2017. this when a mushroom hunter Keith Todd was exploring the woods near a quarry for
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fungi on April 3rd 2017. he was in the area of 233rd Street and Y Highway this is in
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Cass County a heavily wooded area south of Belton Todd Came Upon what he immediately recognized as a human skull
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he called police and reported what he found police roped off the area and looked for any evidence that they could
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find and sure enough they found more human bones they were scattered many had been gnawed on and some were never found
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police called the parents of both Jessica and Cara to let them know that remains had been found this was standard
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operating procedure of course they had no idea whether the remains belonged to either of the girls at that time right
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remember search teams had found bodies twice before on January 21st and January 28th that were not
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the girls that they were looking for but Rhonda and Jamie did not sleep much that
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night this is what they later later said to the media well and if you're law enforcement I I wonder if
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they're more hopeful for one remains or the other because with the car case you have
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some evidence that points towards Kyler but with the Jessica case especially with this supposed confession to Jessup
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his half-brother that if you find her remains you're going to be able to build a
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stronger case against them because you have that confession in the in your back pocket so while they're waiting on pins
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and needles then the next day a second set of human remains believed to have been there much longer were found now at
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the time Jamie and Rhonda were sitting down for a joint TV interview the call came in from Lieutenant Brad
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Swanson who told them I'm not going to say 100 percent but just my gut is telling me we may have some resolution
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police then summoned the families of both Jessica and Cara to a meeting at the police station Jamie and Rhonda face
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the media afterwards holding hands they had to wait for confirmation of their worst fears but they said if the remains
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were the girls they were glad they were together and indeed the Kansas City medical examiner's office and State
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Crime Lab identified the first set of remains as Jessica runyons after Jessica was id'd Ronda Carr's mom acknowledged
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that it could take months to determine whether the older bones found near Jessica belonged to her daughter she
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said quote in my heart of hearts I believe it's Cara here we are still waiting yet again end quote the second
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set of remains was finally identified through DNA as Cara on August 16 2017 this with the help of the FBI crime lab
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in Quantico Jamie said that while she had searched for months in months for her daughter
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she never went as far as the 233rd Street location where the remains were eventually found
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[Music] [Music] all right we're back you filthy animals cheers to you cheers to everyone out
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there all right Captain how about a little background information on Kyler here what we could find says he was born in
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1988 reportedly he never knew his mother Janine until his teen years and his father Kenny as we have seen or heard
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was reportedly a meth addict Kyler was raised by his grandparents this is Alfred and Doris used and he was
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troubled from a very early age court documents filed by his attorney site Kyler being sexually abused as a child
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and suffering from PTSD as a result and maintained that he also was diagnosed with bipolar disorder whatever the cause
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of his delinquency court documents reflect that Kyler has said he started abusing alcohol at a very young age at
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the age of 11 smoking pot at age 12 and using cocaine at age 14 saying he even dabbled in heroin by age 16. people who
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knew him said that he was very charismatic as you pointed out earlier but people also said he could turn angry
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within seconds and as a teen he started getting into legal trouble one early arrest was from 2010 this for stealing
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from a tattoo parlor where he worked for which he served 10 days in jail and soon
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after he nearly killed a woman this is going to kind of flesh out that story that you were talking about a little bit
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earlier here one from 2010. yeah this was a girlfriend of Kyler's and she should be described in my opinion as
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very very lucky because she was able to eventually get away from Kyler still alive this was Candace Martin Saint
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Claire Kyler assaulted her sometime in 2010 and at that time Candace was 18 and six months pregnant with twins fathered
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by Kyler the two were living together for about six months but his behavior became increasingly aggressive and
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violent so she was trying to leave him Kyler came home drunk one night when she was packing her bags to leave and he
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grabbed her around the throat with both hands pinning her to the bed she said that he looked deranged as he was
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choking her until she would almost lose Consciousness and then he punched her to
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make sure that she would stay awake and aware she says that she finally passed out but when she woke up up he was lying
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behind her spooning her and Whispering I love you and telling her that if she was
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good that would not happen again this guy's a raging psychopath but this was not the entire story for one thing
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Candace told police that at two different times Kyler killed some kittens right in front of her the couple
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had three kittens together and for my own sake and everybody else is without going into any detail
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he killed them all Kyler was beating up Candace in fact he bragged to her that he had killed a girlfriend in the
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past and would do the same to her if she left him well the killing of the cats is
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that's Luka magnotta's [ __ ] you know puka not hotter nevertheless Candace said that she felt sorry for Kyler as he
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threatened to kill himself often if she left and he also was the father of these
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unborn twins so she kind of felt forced to stay with him at that time she didn't report the
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attack at the time but after a while with the kittens and some other stuff his behavior became so frightening that
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she left and didn't look back yeah good for her and after she left she noticed him
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following her and him leaving threatening messages for her to find part of the problem is that these guys
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are so manipulative and they can twist words and they can make you think that you're crazy but you have to have your
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radar out for these creep bags and family members and friends have to have their Radars out for these creep bags
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and I wish people would just raise better men so women wouldn't have to put up with
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this [ __ ] she too attempted to obtain an order of protection against Kyler eventually she
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had it dropped this once they got back together they were on and off for quite some time it looks like
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um before it was finally over Candace said that she did not realize that Kyler was a suspect in a girl's disappearance
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until she Googled him and found that there was a connection between him and Cara kapetsky well and she would have
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found that Kara's claims against Kyler are the same claims that she was making because he he does this to every girl he
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dates then a judge ordered the arrest of Kyler for failing to appear in court for
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each of the tattoo parlor incident and the kitten killing situations he was arrested and charged with animal cruelty
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so Kyler pled guilty and got two years probation for several charges right he eventually violated his probation by
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failing to attend a single this is crazy he's ordered to attend 26 Court mandated
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batterers intervention classes he fails to attend a single one like not even going to fake it for a little while
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right because he's a giant bag of [ __ ] so at that time Captain his probation was then revoked and he's sentenced to
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180 days in jail he eventually serves 120 of that but look if you know for a fact that Kyler if you're law
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enforcement you know for a fact that this a horrible human well he's at this point he's not even acting in any way
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shape or form like a human he kills several cats that you got to give him more than two years probation
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even with all this violence and stuff going on he's also busy committing other types of crimes and several of these are
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serious crimes at some point he gotten Big Time legal trouble when he got caught receiving a shipment from China
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of quote-unquote designer drugs this was an intercepted by Customs agents in San
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Francisco this was a something I'm very I'm really not familiar with here thankfully uh
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this was a drug with the street name meow meow wait so he's killing cats and he's taking drugs called meow meow well
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probably looking to sell them if he's not oh he's taking them he's consuming them and looking to sell them because
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eventually he's going to be charged with a felony of drug trafficking based off of this situation so he sentenced to 45
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months in federal prison and he only ends up serving about 27 months of this and he was permitted to live in a
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halfway house for two months after that and then starting in April of 2016 He was ordered to home confinement and his
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grandfather's apartment this in Kansas City so this kind of brings us up to the point of Jessica
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going missing in September of 2016. but like you said when Jessica goes missing we we know she was last
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seen with Kyler then we know through his half-brother Jessup that we burned her vehicle Jessup is also telling you hey
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Kyler confessed to me saying that he strangled her and threw her out in the woods yeah but I also find it weird
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we talk about this all the time I don't care if he's your half brother or what he is if a scumbag tells you hey
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choke this girl and I threw her out in the woods and I need to help me burn her car he he better have something damn
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good on you or you shouldn't be helping in the first place and I find it very strange that he
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showed Jessup shows up to help Kyler Jessup shows up with his girlfriend and she's
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I and and I'd like to know a little bit more information on this I couldn't find
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it but she had a pistol with her well we have to keep in mind that often people don't realize they're an accessory to a
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crime until their accessory to a crime right you usually don't lead in with hey I murdered someone can you help me a lot
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of times it's uh hey I need you to pick me up from here I need you to meet me here and then next thing you know your
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hands are dirty as well well see that's also why I wondered and was in that clear is it possible that Kyler says hey
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uh come pick me up here Jessup shows up and the car is already on fire and he had nothing to do with the car actually
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being on fire other than he was there because Kyler obviously got some pretty bad burn marks from the fire Jessup did
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it yeah so that is really all the information that's leading us up to when Jessica runyon's vanishes in 2016 which
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was on September 8th I do want to point out too that by the time that Kyler is arrested in 2016 for the burning vehicle
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he had three children at that point now Kyler's first court appearance after this arrest was eagerly attended by
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Rhonda Beckford Carr's family had made sure to send someone to every court appearance of Kyler's throughout the
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years so remember how we pointed out that the police kind of reminded Kyler over the years hey we're watching you we
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don't like you we think you're a scumbag he received a lot of traffic citation anytime he was charged with something
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that was big enough to hit the papers over the years Cara's parents would show up and sit in court yeah that's awesome
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and kind of rally behind the idea of well we don't have any answers in our case in our daughter's case but at least
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the guy that we're convinced did this is going to be locked up even if it's just for months
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he's going to be locked up well a lot of these missing person cases where it takes them a long time to find any
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remains especially when there's some kind of accomplice normally it takes a very long time for
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the accomplice to come forward but just a call in law enforcement the night that
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this happens yeah and that's where the storytelling portion of this case gets a little
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difficult to follow along in the timeline because what we're going to see here Captain is Kyler will be arrested
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in charge for burning Jessica's vehicle but keep in mind when he's arrested and charged with that
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there is no bodies at this time we've not located Jessica we've not located Cara
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and it makes the story kind of not follow along a natural order to things So currently on our timeline we have
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Kyler arrested for burning Jessica's vehicle mm-hmm now remember that Jessup Carter
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Kyler's half-brother called the police and reported Kyler for burning her car but also for killing
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Jessica this was in September of 2016. in April of 2017 an article in the star reported
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that police had been seeking Jessup Carter on an outstanding felony charges for a traffic stop that went down on the
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day Jessica's car was burned this was on the 10th of September deputies from the Henry County Sheriff's
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Office pulled over jessup's 1998 Dodge Durango for crossing the center line and drifting onto the grass on Northeast
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Missouri Highway number two as well for failing to have a working plate illumination light
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in the vehicle at the time where Kyler used and a woman named Crystal Taylor this is jessup's long
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time girlfriend the cops frisked the occupants of the vehicle and found a knife on Jessup and a gun on crystal
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Jessup was charged in April of 2017 this six months later with resisting a traffic stop as well as multiple
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misdemeanors such as driving without a license being uninsured and failing to display plates but he was also wanted on
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a charge of failure to appear in a domestic assault case this whole bloodline is full of [ __ ] Jessup
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eventually turned himself into Authorities on April 28th it's not clear why the charges were were just now filed
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in 2017 when the incident took place in 2016 it seems likely that the police wanted to
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keep pressure on Jessup to give them more information about Kyler and what the three of them were doing
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that day after Jessica's car was found on fire so on May 4th 2017 this is at the 10th Annual walk for Cara
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we have over 100 people here walking in observance of the 10th anniversary of her disappearance you know they're
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holding signs honoring the young woman demonstrating support for the family she had still not been identified at
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this time remember it wasn't until August 16th that she was officially confirmed via
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DNA but my hat goes off and you have to applaud this community how much they rallied around both of these girls Cara
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and Jessica yes and at this at this annual walk for Cara we have her mother Rhonda who tells the newspaper I am
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finally relieved to have confirmation we've known for a long time that Cara was gone and we felt when they found the
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other remains that the other set was Cara it's been a long 10 years and this is the start of hopefully moving forward
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toward a prosecution Kyler's trial for the vehicle arson was scheduled to commence on October 23 2017 but on the
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5th of that month there was big news Kyler was officially charged with murder for the killings of Jessica and Cara the
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initial charges included two counts of Abandonment of a corpse but these charges were later dismissed the
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probable cause affidavit stated that at least four people told investigators that Kyler had confessed to choking Kara
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to death he told some that he put her body in the woods and others that she would never be
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found and October 6 2017 article said it's not clear why used was not charged in
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kopetsky's death earlier and a follow-up article says might Jessica be alive today had he been arrested in connection
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with Cara's death based on those multiple recountings to acquaintances about the killing these articles are
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pointing out that police had witness statements months after Carr went missing that Kyler killed her right and so now
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everybody's really concerned that hey we may have saved a life if we could have locked this guy up all those years
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earlier yeah and the community is law enforcement can't make this mistake again right and so what we have here now
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Captain we have Kyler's going to face charges in multiple counties but you have the counties that are kind of going
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to band together and they're like you know what we can afford to drop the arson charges we can cancel that trial
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let's all band together and focus instead on the much more serious murder case so Kyler he's allowed to plead not
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guilty to these charges this in October of 2017. now how now brown cow how now brown cow
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we need to go back just a minute here because after Jessup the half-brother was released for turning himself in in
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April 2017. well he went on a bit of a bender his girlfriend and then wife Crystal
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Taylor remember she was the one in the vehicle with Kyler and Jessup on that night said that after the episode where
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Jessup called the police on his brother that he relapsed into drugs and then very quickly went downhill he was
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arrested for domestic violence and she took the kids and stayed in a shelter for a while
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when Jessup was arrested again in April of 2017 for failure to appear on those domestic violence charges and for
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various charges from the incident where he was pulled over with Kyler and Crystal
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he's asked by reporters you know will you comment on Kyler use case at this point and he says that he could not but
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that his family did not approve of what Kyler had done and they empathized with the girls families in July of the same
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year Crystal turned on the news and saw jessup's Uncle Paul's house Okay so this is where Jessup was staying she
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sees Paul's house on the news because it's on fire and Jessup was arrested for arson this
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guy has some issues and for trying to stop firefighters from putting out the fire
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so he's booked into County Jail on September 24th Jessop was found dead in his cell at 4 30 a.m of an apparent
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suicide he hung himself police said apparently there was an FBI investigation into his death but there
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was nothing to show that it was not a suicide however this is a weird little nugget here
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Jessup left behind a note that has been regularly referred to as encrypted and believe it or not that note has
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magically disappeared well maybe I'm just a freak you know maybe I'm just freaked nasty with it but uh when I hear
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suicide Cryptid note I want to get my hands on that I want to know what he was trying to communicate and
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and then it makes you wonder why did it go missing Jessup was in the back pocket
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of law enforcement so now with the suicide you got to toss that away it's going to make convicting Kyler a lot
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more difficult you're exactly right and that was the fear the shared fear at that time we
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have both Jessica and Cara's families they're now very concerned that Jessup is dead he was expected or at least they
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expected him to be the star witness in the state's murder case against Kyler Jessup even once proclaimed that he
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wanted the families to feel better at night that Kyler was finally put away I mean those are his words so you would
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expect him to be the star Witness but clearly he must have been conflicted about testifying against Kyler or
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you know he was spiraling out of control it's really tough to say when we examine
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this situation here well and he had that heavy drug addiction that he was back at
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but another little interesting nugget here Captain is that at this time yeah it was not public information
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that Jessup had ratted out Kyler you did a rat so I don't know if he was dreading
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testifying against him or what have you but he commits suicide the prosecutors have
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to forge ahead and they go on record saying Jessup was a problematic witness anyway right because he was in jail for
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arson and had two protective orders taken out against him so while he may have had good information to offer up on
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the stand they weren't super in love with this guy because he was no saint himself well again he he calls right
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away after this after they set fire to Jessica's vehicle and then now he commits suicide it's almost like he was
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so remorseful or so so much hated that he was involved at all that that's why he took his own life seems that way to
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me anyways it very well could be it also could be a I think it's probably a mountain of things or maybe he was more
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involved than he's even telling people and he just couldn't live with himself it looks to me regardless of his
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involvement he was going to go away to prison himself right and that might have not been something that he was willing
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to live with yeah I agree with you Kyler's attorneys they were doing their best at this time to delay the trial and
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to dig up evidence exonerating Kyler in December of 2019 they sought the right to independently test the remains
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found by the mushroom hunter as well as hair recovered from an SUV searched by the FBI in 2013. this was the vehicle of
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someone who had been looked at as a potential other suspect in Cara's case the defense is trying to raise concerns
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about this alternative suspect well they're trying to do the same thing that Kyler was doing point in every direction
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other than himself correct and that and that's not where the twist in turn stop with this case he's going to start
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throwing more people under the bus once this hits trial well and the thing too is
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this is kind of leaving the door open right once Jessup kills himself now if you're the defender of Kyler
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you're looking at this through a different lens you're going okay well maybe regardless of what the police say
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he very likely could have been their star witness now that guy's gone so the door is open to a potential
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defense here and the first thing that they start attacking is look there was another suspect at one point in at least
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Cara's murder and in Carr's disappearance and what they're saying at this point is
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we don't think that this guy was thoroughly investigated well it's too bad Jessup took his own life because we
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could have got him on the stand like and A Few Good Men and said Colonel Jessup I want the truth
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give me the truth the defense for Kyler also filed motions challenging some of the witness statements in the case
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because they allege that a Kansas City police officer who was working the case was told to step back from it as this
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officer was involved in a sexual relationship with one of the witnesses but then continued to investigate the
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case even after being told not to so the defense questioned the Integrity of the
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evidence and the Integrity of the investigation itself at one point the defense made a motion to have the judge
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removed because they argued that he was biased against their client this motion was
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denied by another judge and they allege that their confidential phone email and text conversations with
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Kyler from jail were improperly recorded and reviewed by the Cass County Sheriff's Office yeah they're just
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trying every freaking trick in the book and they're you know just pulling [ __ ]
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out of their ass throwing the [ __ ] on the wall and seeing what sticks on August 23 2019 Kyler's attorneys filed a
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motion to have him declared incompetent to stand trial and seeking a psych evaluation
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a mental evaluation found that he was in fact competent to stand trial however there was some back and forth as the
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defense attorneys objected to this finding and insisted on a second opinion they then backed out of the second
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opinion but required Kyler to be medicated for anxiety and depression which who knows how much of it was smoke
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and mirrors by the defense team the trial eventually commenced in April of 2021 but not before Kyler's defense
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attorneys moved for a change of venue claiming that he could not receive a fair trial in Cass County eventually
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both sides agreed that the trial would stay in Cass County but jurors would be imported from Saint Charles County
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closer to St Louis meanwhile the poor families of our victims had to endure more waiting and a
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statement from John Runyon said we want Justice for Jessica and Cara which in turn would be Justice for our families
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