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let's talk some true crime [Music] thank you [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] police say a gunman shot and killed five
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women in a robbery at a women's clothing store late Saturday morning the incident
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happened at this Lane Riot southwest of Chicago the store is at a strip mall called the Brookside Marketplace
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authorities say the store was open when the incident happened when police arrived they found the victims in the
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back of the storm Defender is described as a medium-skinned male black five foot nine
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230 to 260 pounds he was wearing a black waist length winter coat a black knit cat and dark jeans
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authorities haven't identified the victims but say they range in age from 22 to 37. they say four were from
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suburban Chicago and one was from South Bend Indiana when resident says crime is
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a growing problem in the area and security needs to be beefed up and this could have been us and I just feel
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really sorry for the people's family and the victims because you know this could have been this could
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have been prevented police brought in a helicopter and dogs to search for the gunman but found no sign of him there
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was no security camera inside the Lane Bryant store the police say they're trying to determine if the suspect was
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recorded by any cameras at neighboring stores [Music] our true crime story this week is from a
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lovely place called Tinley Park Tinley Park is a village located in Cook County Illinois it is one of the fastest
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growing suburbs south of Chicago this horrific crime took place in 2008 but to give you a general idea of the location
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Tinley Park Illinois in 2007 had no murders and only 15 robberies were reported in this Village the population
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was just over 56 000 at the 2010 census and in 2009 Tinley Park was selected by Business Week a very good magazine as
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the best place to raise a family in America so the single best place in all of America Captain oh that sounds pretty
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lovely in 2017 Tinley Park was listed as one of the 50 safest cities in America did you know that um the garage was
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voted number one place to do a podcast in the world and Parts Unknown was number two desired place to live for the
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very low taxes that that's almost we we pay you to live there yeah so while I feel very good about those assessments
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being quite accurate you know that this is a safe place great place to raise a family this crime may make you feel
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different but it is crimes like this that remind all of us that unfortunately these sort of things while they can be
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rare they can happen anywhere anywhere Lane Bryant is at the center of this case
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um and it's going to be a Lane Bryant store in Tinley Park Lane Bryant is a store for the ladies uh according to
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their website Lane Bryant is the most recognized name and plus size clothing and their emphasis is on fashion and fit
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not merely size well I just want to point out the fact that in the Lululemon case they didn't sell to plus size and
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now Lane Bryant they're known for plus sizes I don't think they sell to the petite ladies
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there's a lot of discrimination going on in selling both ways um but they Lane Bryant will tell you
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that their emphasis on fashion and fit is what makes them a style leader so a quick and interesting story history here
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for uh Lane Bryant the company was founded way back in 1904 by Lena Bryant she made maternity clothing mainly
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dresses I think Lena rented a storefront on Fifth Avenue the name Lane Bryant well the company got that name because a
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bank officer misspelled Lena's name on the paperwork the business opened its first Branch store in Chicago in 1915 so
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Lane Bryant has been deep rooted in the Chicago area for a long time as of 2013 the chain consisted of 812 stores in 46
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U.S states only Alaska Hawaii Montana and Wyoming at that time didn't not have Lane Bryant stores in 2010 Lane Bryant
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accused Fox and ABC of censoring their 30-second ad spot during commercial breaks for the Dancing with the Stars in
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American Idol TV shows the ads featured plus size model Ashley Graham in their line of lingerie Lane Bryant accused the
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networks of discrimination because stating that the networks had no problem airing Victoria's Secret advertisements
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with similar similarly clad models right in the same time slots I'm a lover of all women of all sizes just putting that
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out there hey I'm a lover of Ashley Graham um so all right Lane Bryant stored this
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particular Lane Bryant store that we are discussing today is located in the Great
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Village of Tinley Park at the Brookside Marketplace which was built in 2005. Lane Bryant there were there were
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probably what about six or seven Lane Bryant stores in the Greater Columbus area
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around us somewhere I don't know I never go shopping but it's pretty much like a
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big box store right yeah so smaller than a Target but still a decent sized store
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yeah you normally find them in a mall or a strip mall so this particular one is a
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23 000 square foot store now back in 2008 Brookside Marketplace included some store fronts that were not open yet this
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making the Lane Bryant store more ice isolated the strip mall skirts a major section of Interstate 80. uh the belt of
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America and it also has a Holiday Inn and a Sleep Inn nearby so hotels nearby hotel motel Holiday Inn no houses are in
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immediate in the immediate area and a few apartment buildings are about a half a mile away okay so this brings us
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Captain to Saturday February February 2nd 2008 which was a very cold day the ground was frozen and snow covered yeah
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it was actually the day before the Super Bowl yes it was Captain we have uh 42 year old Rhoda McFarland she went to
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work on this Saturday but she was not scheduled to work uh she was the store manager at the Lane Bryant store now she
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knew that her employees would be stretched on that Saturday after the corporate office mailed customers Flyers
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promoting a big 9.99 clearance sale now I'm not a I don't know much about the Lane Bryant
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store but from what I understand it's some of the items can be more expensive and so this is a pretty good deal for
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everybody this will draw in the customers on a on a busy Saturday everybody's going to line up to get some
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good deals did you say 9.99 that's right so rather than she's a she's a team player uh this store manager wrote a she
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rather than force her have to go It Alone she decides to pitch in and go in that day now the Lane Bryant store
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opened its doors for business at 10 A.M the crime began to unfold shortly after at 1008 a man entered the store and
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engaged the clerk asking her questions about a delivery he carried with him some type of papers that he stated were
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related to the delivery that he was attempting to make at this store now this man was wearing a dark colored
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below the waist length winter coat as he entered the Lane Bryant store it is reported that he looked toward the
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ceiling and this is believed that he was looking for cameras he chatted briefly with Rhoda McFarland
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the store manager he also talked to another person that we will refer to as the witness we don't use her real name
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we don't know her real name but she is called Martha and we're not using our name because the police don't use her
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name right she's only referred to as Martha so that's what we we will have to call her here so the man spoke to both
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of these ladies regarding this delivery well this this was a ruse um he was not there to make some kind of
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delivery this was used to engage somebody with inside the store I'm a little confused why he would use this as some
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kind of tactic but we're gonna see where it goes from there okay so Rhoda the manager she decides to try to
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help out so she calls another store location to see if there was some kind of mix-up with the delivery because
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she's telling the guy we don't have any delivery scheduled right so maybe this delivery was supposed to go to another
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store anyway during this time two customers entered the store it is at this time the
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police would later say that the man then pulled out a gun and announced a hold up
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he forced the four women into the back room this was a small employee break room
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he forced the women to tape each other's hands and then he bound the remaining women uh or woman himself
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after binding them he told them to lay face down on the floor then two more women who who later entered the store
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they were also taken to the back room they were bound and placed next to the others now the order so we have four
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customers at this time right everybody's been taken hostage the order of which the customers came in is unknown
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it is known that Connie woolfork uh was a fighter and at some point during this hold up she had a physical altercation
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with the suspect she was struck in the face with what is believed to have been the butt of the gun that the man had
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brought with him she also had blood under her fingernails which is believed to have come from the suspect so she
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fought this guy at some point right this man also took some of the store's clothing and placed it over the heads of
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some of the women now I want to be clear here on this statement because I've this
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has been reported multiple ways from multiple sources and several of the sources suggest that all
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of the women had their heads covered with with clothing items some suggest that it was just a few of the women
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um and also one report a couple reports state that women's panties were used to cover their heads now while this might
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not seem important I think that it is somewhat important because we're going to be relying on some
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witness statements to have conclusions and thoughts about this suspect and we will have to use our own opinions to
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determine how much weight to apply to those witness statements later so apparently one of the victims
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um one of the ladies that was bound was the was a target of sexual advances by the suspect during the time that he had
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them taken hostage it is stated that she was fondled there was no that's not sexual advances
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that's that's assault right sexual assault I I apologize I'm reporting it as it as it was whoever reported it as a
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tool bag um there there were no further sexual content or contact from suspect to any
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of the other victims beyond that point now store manager Rhoda McFarland somehow she managed to call 9-1-1 she
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had her cell phone Bluetooth yeah she calls 9-1-1 at 10 44 a.m and I want everybody to kind of Mark that time in
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their in their heads here because remember we're saying that the man entered the store at approximately
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1008. so he's been in the store for quite some time all right 1008 he enters at 10 44 there's a 9-1-1 call and he's
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still on the store at this time now Rhoda she managed to to make this call while the gunman was distracted uh even
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though she was bound with tape on the call which is posted on the Tinley Park Police website
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um so very very brave Rhoda McFarland calls to notify 9-1-1 of the robbery in progress the the 911 dispatcher picks up
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and at this point Rhoda says Lane Bryant she Whispers it to the uh dispatcher and
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the dispatcher asked where at and she states Tinley Park please hurry let's take a listen to that 9-1-1 call 9-1-1
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emergency stay on the line stay on the line let me get you to Tinley Park don't hang up
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It is believed that the suspect heard the dispatcher's voice over Rhoda McFarland's Bluetooth the police were
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dispatched a Tinley Park police officer was in an adjacent parking lot at the time of the 9-1-1 call it is
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approximated that he was about 20 I'm sorry 200 yards away so police arrived on the scene very
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quickly and it is reported that the first officer arrived only about two minutes after the short 9-1-1 call now
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the the witness that we are calling Martha she has stated that she believes she heard police sirens before the
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shooting started so this is at approximately 10 46 A.M so all six women at this point at 10 46
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a.m were shot execution Style Rhoda McFarland was the only one shot in the forehead the rest in the back of
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their heads the man then walked out the front door and disappeared five of the ladies were dead when police
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arrived and as we said only a couple minutes from the beginning of McFarland's 9-1-1 call one woman
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survived this is who we are we are calling Martha right she too had been shot and left for dead but she tricked
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the Killer by moving her head at the last second causing a severe graze in her neck she then pretended to be dead
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until police arrived a black SUV as well as a black sedan were seen on video leaving the Lane Bryant parking lot at
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approximately 10 48 A.M so all of this happened within a time span of about 40 minutes the suspect
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arrives at the Lane Bryant store at approximately 1008 the call to 9-1-1 is placed at 10 44. shots are fired at
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approximately 10 46 and the suspect left the scene at approximately 10 48. [Music]
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[Music] all right we're back newspapers went to the doorsteps and newsstands the
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following morning the Sunday Chicago Tribune LED with the headline five women slain in store police hunt gunman in
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shooting at Tinley Park Mall the article reads A gunman LED women into the back of a clothing store Saturday morning
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killed them then walked out the front door and disappeared police said there were no survivors at the Lane Bryant
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store in a Suburban strip mall along interstate highway 80. and what they are calling a botched robbery still with
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little information made public conflicting reports and rumors about motives and Witnesses swirled throughout
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the day officers from at least eight local departments quickly descended on the shopping center some went from door
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to door calming stores for Clues others hunted in a nearby subdivision for a stocky man described by one witness
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while helicopters hovered in the sky one Helicopter Armed with an infrared camera
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scanned snow-covered open land and forest preserves police pleaded for help from anyone with information on the
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killing spree as night fell the gunman remained on the loose Tinley Park police chief Michael O'Connell tried to calm
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fear saying we are very confident that the offender is out of the area but earlier in the day an officer at the
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scene admitted we have no idea who he is the gunman was still at large late Saturday do they have any evidence of
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what he took or did he take anything let's get into that but I want to kind of clarify some things I found that that
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article to be very interesting this is what the the locals are hearing these are the reports they're hearing and
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reading just the day after and I thought we should comb through that because there's one very important detail here
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and that is that the the police are stating that there were no survivors that five women were taken hostage they
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were all shot and killed before the man left the store the reason for this this is not any
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confusion on anyone's part this is simply to protect the living witness they did not want the offender to be
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aware that there was a Survivor right they didn't want this person to know that there is still a person alive from
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the scene that could identify them and that he might I mean we have to keep this in mind
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whether he went into the store with intending to kill anyone at all we don't know right but at the end of the day
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what he did do what this person did do is murder five people very capable of looking for this woman finding her and
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killing her we wouldn't even know at this point in the investigation if he would have known who she was yeah I mean
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there could be ties from the suspect to one or more of the victims or I mean is she being kept in a hospital for
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observation for days right on end you know we've we've all seen the the mob movies where there's somebody that
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survives something and they're a living witness and they gotta put the police officers by their door because we could
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get some mobster dude right coming in the middle of the night and take this person out but on the other side of
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things you could say there was a Survivor and if this was just a robbery that went bad and this person's snap
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that could force the hand of this individual to turn himself in like oh somebody survived I'm going to
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get caught let me turn myself in well let's take a look real quick captain at the key players in this whole crime
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let's talk about some let's talk about the victims as well as what they may know about the suspect
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so there were five women killed one wounded uh she was treated that you know the wounded one would go on to be known
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as Martha she would be treated at St James hospital in Olympia Fields and she was released on Sunday so she was in the
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hospital for approximately 24 hours right uh currently it's my understanding that this living witness is living out
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of the area now um but she stays in close phone contact with police investigators and she's been
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extremely cooperative and she is there for them whenever they need to ask questions of her so one of the victims
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that we've already mentioned by name was Rhoda McFarland age 42 she was the manager of the Lane Bryant store in
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Tinley Park she had been there for two years she was a U.S Air Force veteran uh she worked as a nurse at Andrews Air
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Force Base Rhoda served as an associate pastor at Embassy Christian Center she began
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working at Lane Bryant after her Crest Hill Church had closed she started a program at her church called Princess
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this program teaches girls proper etiquette and guides them to help them grow to be young productive women
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she was planning on expanding this program and expanding it to other churches in the areas well in other
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areas as well right she went to work that Saturday was but was not scheduled to work as we had
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already said now Rhoda was engaged over the holidays of 2007 to a man named Stuart Gibbs she continued to answer her
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Christian calling at the Lane Bryant store often often using her employee discount to buy clothes for people who
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are less fortunate she is the only victim that was shot in the forehead this is believed that the
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Killer caught her on the phone talking to 9-1-1 and when he confronted her that's when he shot her in the forehead
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and another one of the victims is Jenny Lynn Bishop yeah Jenny was 34 at the time of this crime she was from South
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Bend and she was a customer at the Lane Bryant she was married to Brian Bishop and they had three young children she
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graduated from Indiana University with a Bachelor of Science in nursing in 1996.
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she had been employed by Memorial hospital since 1995. she worked in the Intensive Care Unit fellow nurses
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described her as a compassionate caring knowledgeable and efficient worker well she's a nurse so you know she was a
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badass relatives of Jenny Bishop believe that she may have gone to the Lynn Bryant store that day to cash in a
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birthday gift card yeah the Lane Bryant yeah she had sell celebrated her 34th birthday just five days prior to the
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crime her husband was in the area for business and she was out while he was working our next victim is Sarah
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zafranski she's 22 years old at the time of the crime from Oak Forest she was a customer as well the future looked
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promising for Sarah because in May of 2007 she had graduated from Northern Illinois University with a degree in
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finance and had a job already lined up at CNA Financial Corp and this is in Chicago
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she went to the Lane Bryant store that day because she needed work clothes for her first post-college job right now
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later after life a a park bench and Oak Forest Bears her name she was the youngest of the five murdered victims
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just 22 years old now scholarships were also awarded in her name Connie woolfork
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uh was one that we had mentioned by name as well she was 37 at the time of Flossmoor she was a customer as well at
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the store that day she was a single mother of two sons ages 16 and 10. her youngest child suffers from spina bifida
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and requires much of his mother's time and attention for seven years she served the village of Park Forest in a variety
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of positions working in the finance and Community Development departments she left her job with the village in
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December of 2006 this to pursue a Family Mortgage business with her mother Connie
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worked as a mortgage lender lived with her mother and two sons to help make ends meet in the troubled housing market
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she took a second job stocking shelves overnight at the Super Target in the same Tinley Park Shopping Center
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she was treating herself to a manicure and pedicure on that Saturday and some shopping at Lane Bryant to buy a new
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outfit when she didn't show up for a scheduled meeting with a client at 2PM her family grew increasingly worried her
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family said that she was a fighter and would not have gone along without a fight it is reported that she had
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bruising and blood under her fingernails that might have been from the suspect the bruising as we said is thought to be
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from being struck in the head with the gun we also have Carrie chusu she's 33 years old of Frankfurt she was
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a customer Carrie was a social worker at her school um Homewood Flossmoor High School that
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my friends social worker at a high school is an extremely tough and difficult job I don't know this
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particular high school but I know two ladies that work in these very same capacities and let me tell you friends
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that is no walk in the park now Carrie and her husband married a year and a half before the murders her husband was
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waiting for her to return home from a quick shopping trip to the Lane Bryant clothing store when he saw the news
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reports on TV and he actually recognized her car parked in front of the store on
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the news coverage you want to talk about sick feeling yeah after Tony saw his wife's car in the news reports he left
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their home and he went to the Tinley Park police station there he was what he was suspecting was confirmed
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that she was one of the victims now the day after Kerry died her brother's wife went into labor uh they had a little
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girl who they named they named her Carrie uh Carey's current and former students packed into the what ended up
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being a seven hour wake for Carrie in in Memorial of her life Martha as we said not her real name she
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was the surviving victim she was 30 she was 33 years old at the time a part-time
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employee at the Lane Bryant store she was shot along with the rest but the bullet went into her neck missing vital
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organs she was enrolled in nursing school and working two jobs to make ends meet recently divorce she stated that
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she had heard the police sirens prior to the shooting started so what do we know
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about the suspect well the killer was not wearing a mask or disguise he was described as six foot tall I know I do
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want to kind of add to that though a little bit because I've read and watched news reports yeah that will state that
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he could have been as short as I believe five nine yeah um pretty short for a male or he could
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have been as tall as six two now I want to throw this in there though the overwhelming majority of these stories
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say that the man was six foot tall that he was approximately six foot tall yeah but don't they also say he was stocky
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yeah so he it's an he's an African-American male of average weight um he the police have described him as
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stocky but also average weight see that doesn't make any sense to me well they state that they believe he's between 2
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and 220 pounds all right but at six foot tall I wouldn't call somebody stocky he's also described as a medium to dark
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skin tone with braided hair with three to five poofy cornrows pulled toward the back of his head one braid hung down the
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right cheek and had four light green beads on the end this man is believed to have been between the ages of 25 and 35
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years old at the time of the murders now the suspect this is where we might have
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a little issue with his weight Captain the suspect was wearing a dark colored waist length jacket or coat right now we
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did say it was very cold that day the ground was frozen snow covered depending on the the the poofiness or the bulk of
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this coat that could change the perception of his weight yeah my jacket makes me look a little fluffy there are
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some reports out there that state that he was seen having a roll of duct tape in one of the pockets of this coat
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the suspect was also wearing black jeans with an embroidery on the back pocket similar to a cursive G now one
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possibility here Captain is that he was wearing G-Unit clothing the G-Unit clothing company was established in 2003
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this is because of 50 Cent and you know he teamed up with Mark Echo to create this line of clothing and accessories
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inspired by 50 Cent and fellow G Unit members these genes have a cursive G on the pocket right so possibly wearing
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this line of clothing now the suspect was also wearing a charcoal gray or dark ski skull cap on his head a couple of
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websites mentioned that he had possibly left behind a baseball hat at the scene of the crime
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the Survivor said the killer may have had professionally manicured fingernails this is only mentioned once so you know
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I I actually hesitated to even put this in the report but on airing on the side of full disclosure throw it in there and
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and let people make what they want of it now police have released a composite sketch based on the witness's
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description the weapon that he used is a Smith and Wesson Glock the gunman took a
00:35:05
few hundred dollars according to police there were two vehicles seen leaving the
00:35:11
area shortly after the shooting this was a black SUV and a black sedan now police have said that they have
00:35:20
fingernail clippings remember we said that one of the victims had it's believed that she had blood
00:35:26
underneath her fingernails remember we also stated that the man came in with papers that are supposed to
00:35:33
be part of this delivery that he was making uh maybe instructions or some type of invoice something like that it's
00:35:41
believed that the police have these papers that he left them at the scene of the Cross possibly touched DNA on those
00:35:48
correct correct so that's what we know for certain on the suspect do you think this is just a robbery turned murder
00:35:58
well that seems to be the strongest Theory or motive that's out there because this is a very strange crime
00:36:06
Captain when you when you really think of the Simplicity of it yeah where you have so many people being killed so many
00:36:13
murdered victims and yet you have almost a robbery situation that doesn't make a
00:36:18
lot of sense when you look at it and I know that there are probably details of this crime that have just not been made
00:36:24
public and therefore we are only working with part of the store worry but yes I would say that probably the strongest or
00:36:33
most popular Theory regarding this crime out there is that the thought is it was
00:36:37
a simple robbery that turned violent um so a botched robbery in which the offender made off with very little cash
00:36:45
in the course of the robbery he figures out that one of the ladies had called 9-1-1 and he panics and shoots all of
00:36:53
them yeah within a couple minutes yeah so and what I mean I understand that this is the
00:37:00
most likely Theory but you're robbing a store at the beginning of the work day the store
00:37:07
opens at 10 o'clock you enter the store at 80 or 1008 sorry you know you're out of the store within
00:37:15
45 minutes you take a couple hundred dollars I mean you're going to rob a store where most
00:37:23
people understand that there's a night drop done for all these stores and a lot of these stores especially like Elaine
00:37:30
Bryant these are credit card based stores and and now most stores don't carry a lot of
00:37:35
cash on them so so you see what I'm saying like no no I follow you and that's why I feel like
00:37:42
this is a crime that doesn't make a lot of sense right and and and here's where I go with that my thought is that I what
00:37:49
I can see from what we know from the living Witnesses statements right is that we are probably working and talking
00:37:56
about a very unorganized offender here and I see where this guy may have had some type of plan whether whether it all
00:38:06
makes sense to us may not be the case right we don't know what kind of Rhyme or Reason this dude's
00:38:12
working with first of all and then second of all it appears to me like he lost control of the situation fairly
00:38:19
quickly and when things weren't going his way he's not intelligent enough to work
00:38:26
through the problem to problem solve on the spot in the end his only result the only thing he can come up with is to
00:38:33
kill everybody and leave um so so let's let's go through this first Theory here okay because you bring
00:38:40
up some good points so if this was to be a robbery why would somebody choose a store like Lane Bryant or any kind of
00:38:48
clothing store at all to Rob Early on a Saturday right so I get my first thought
00:38:55
there would be that we have a guy that is looking for what he would perceive to be a soft target an easy target yeah
00:39:04
chances are the employees are going to be female trans is our customers are going to be female and by choosing early
00:39:13
morning hours you may have less people in the store to have to deal with yeah because we as we mentioned this is a 23
00:39:20
000 square foot store it could be tough it could be tough to Corral everybody and manage the scene just given the
00:39:28
space of this place I mean people can hide fairly easily in a 23 000 square foot building but that also might be to
00:39:36
your point that this suspect is not thinking things clearly and so he's going to rob a place that one is not
00:39:43
going to have a lot of cash on it and it's a big building now when we say that a soft target that
00:39:49
that potential victims or people being in the store would all be female or most likely to be female let's be clear here
00:39:57
we're using we're trying to use the criminal's thought process here trying to use the suspect's thought process
00:40:03
here and we don't know that for certainty but the guess would be that that may have put some kind of put him
00:40:10
at ease in some way that there was a reason for picking this particular store that is really the only thing that
00:40:17
stands out to me or is could it be that this man believes that okay they're they're not selling
00:40:26
low-lying stuff right you know maybe there's some more money in this store than would be in some of the other
00:40:33
stores because they're you know more expensive items right so a soft target too should be secluded in some way
00:40:42
um from from busy areas and we know the Lane Bryant store was away from the rest
00:40:48
of the businesses and it's in a strip mall that was not fully rented out at the time yeah also an easy target should
00:40:56
have an easy Escape Route the Lane Bryant is just minutes from Interstate 80. this is a huge uh freeway that that
00:41:04
starts in New Jersey and ends in California we had mentioned that the timing is a little weird
00:41:11
um but for the sake of wanting an easy target the timing is great so he walks into the store that just
00:41:18
opened its doors eight minutes prior less likely to encounter a large number of customers but if it's the money that
00:41:25
you're after Why not pick a bank or a gas station right yeah well we have the the
00:41:31
surviving Witnesses account the killer according to her the killer walked in and was looking up at the ceiling and
00:41:39
it's believed he was possibly looking for cameras now my thought here is that this man knows that Banks and gas
00:41:45
stations because of their high probability of getting robbed will be outfitted with cameras yeah multiple
00:41:51
cameras so when he went into the store he has he's technically committed zero infractions against the law at this
00:42:00
point right so if he walks in and he's never been in the store before and he's looking up and he sees cameras he can
00:42:06
simply just turn around and walk out and go pick another Target at this point he
00:42:11
is wearing G-Unit pants so I think that is a crime um there's there are some drawbacks to
00:42:18
this Theory and you've mentioned a couple of them Captain but I kind of want to go through my laundry list here
00:42:22
so we don't leave any out as long as it doesn't include any G Unit pants I'm okay with your laundry list so as you
00:42:29
mentioned how much money would there be in a register that that's you know they just opened up the store eight minutes
00:42:36
prior okay um I don't know well here's the other thing too and a couple of accounts they state that the
00:42:45
guy may have robbed the women too so most of the material out there does not State this but this could
00:42:54
this could be possible maybe even likely you know he had the ladies bound and if
00:42:59
he felt in control of the situation he gets the cash from the register and from the office and finds out it's not that
00:43:07
much money he decides to rob the ladies as well I mean as well yes it's it's it's reminiscent of that conversation in
00:43:16
the diner scene in Pulp Fiction when the couple is getting ready to rob the diner
00:43:20
and they're talking about what their plan is and their last Heist and they say that they both agree that it was a
00:43:27
good idea that they robbed both the business and the customers in the last Heist because they they doubled their
00:43:34
take yeah but again not very well thought out because how many people are carrying cash well I
00:43:43
this could be a possibility After he finds out he's not got much money at this point I agree so and keep in mind
00:43:50
the killer was in the store for approximately 40 minutes this gives him enough time to rob the ladies as well
00:43:56
now I do Wonder here one thing that I one thing that I wish that we had here is a lot more information I think there
00:44:06
was probably a lot of stuff that went down in that store over the course of the 40 minutes what at what time did he
00:44:13
draw his gun is a big question for me I would love to know what time the store manager called the other store to
00:44:20
inquire about the delivery that he was pretending to do so let's say that this theory is right that this is correct
00:44:28
this would lead me to believe and I'm sure that the police have looked into this and I if not I don't understand
00:44:34
them why they wouldn't have but um then we need to get new police officers yeah my thought would be just food for
00:44:41
thought here Captain potentially this guy might have some experience in doing this and what I mean by this is maybe
00:44:48
the plan doesn't seem so bad when you work it over the course of many different stores I mean it only didn't
00:44:56
work out in this situation is what I'm getting at because here's the thought the suspect may have hit what he
00:45:01
perceives to be soft targets before and he's hitting them early in the morning for a good reason maybe he's only
00:45:09
looking to get a few hundred dollars let's say 200 whatever's in the register right now why would he do this the
00:45:16
thought is that he would bring he brings a gun into the store with him but probably most of the time he never even
00:45:24
needs to draw the weapon to make the threat he just goes up threatens the person at the register or speaks to
00:45:31
somebody in the store tells them it's going to be a robbery and he makes off with two hundred dollars now keep in
00:45:38
mind if he doesn't pull a gun a 200 unarmed robbery will go away pretty fast in most police jurisdictions well and if
00:45:49
you did this at the bank it's a federal events second of all if you if you mention that there's a gun then his arm
00:45:56
robbery so it doesn't matter if you show your gun or not right an implied threat
00:46:01
of a firearm is the same as having right but chances are that these registers are
00:46:06
not going to have bait money or die packs that's what a bank would have you know the die packs are normally within
00:46:14
like a football field or so they just blow up and they turn everything blue they Smurf your ass
00:46:21
um so yes I agree that this plan doesn't seem so dumb except for the fact that you're
00:46:30
going into a store showing your face and yes less likely that there's going to be there's going to be less cameras
00:46:39
than a bank but there's still going to be cameras but now you have all these eyewitnesses that see your face
00:46:45
so I still think it's a really horrible plan but I I think that he manages to get out of the store and there are no
00:46:52
cameras to take footage of him well we have cameras seeing cars leave right those are from another store right so
00:47:01
all right let's get into let's go to the theory two real quick all right this is
00:47:05
a very similar theory in the sense that it's robbery but possibly an inside job meaning our offender the killer had
00:47:12
inside help maybe an assistant manager or former manager or former employee correct right so I'll break this down
00:47:19
real quick Inside Job meaning that this robbery was set up with the help of a current
00:47:24
employee or former employee of this particular Lane Bryant store or maybe even another Lane Bryant store these
00:47:32
would be the only so one thing that I'm curious about here with the money we know that a few I'll
00:47:39
call you whiskers a few hundred dollars was taken in this robbery I would love to know did this come from the safe did
00:47:46
it come from the register did it come from a combination of both also robbing the the uh
00:47:52
customers as well where did this money come from because one thing here is that current managers
00:47:59
current assistant managers or previous managers and assistant managers are likely to be the only people with the
00:48:07
safe combination so if money was taken from the safe he accessed that safe in some form or fashion whether it be
00:48:14
through the employees that were at the Lane Bryant that day or he walked in there with prior knowledge of this store
00:48:21
right now where I worked before there was a safe but all it had was the two drawers that we used so there was no
00:48:30
extra funds it was just whatever's in those drawers so again if even if you just got the one
00:48:38
drawer and then you open up the safe so I can get the next drawer I would want to assume that he would get more than a
00:48:44
few hundred dollars if he could get to both drawers so again that would be information that
00:48:50
I don't know if it would help the investigation but again I mean this crime is down 10 years old I think at
00:48:58
some point try to get the public involved I mean that's one of the reasons why we're
00:49:02
covering the case to shine some light on it and get people talking about this so
00:49:06
if this in fact were the correct Theory here uh the correct motive let this is kind of how I see it it playing out okay
00:49:16
so the inside person the accomplice that this man had that this killer had failed
00:49:24
to show up to the store for whatever reason that day you know the inside accomplice got cold feet or whatever
00:49:28
decided not to show this leaving the suspect stuck with six women who he thought could identify him he walks in
00:49:37
there without any type of Disguise maybe he doesn't he doesn't Discover that his
00:49:43
helper that his accomplice is not there until after he's drawn the gun and already told everybody that there's
00:49:49
going to be a hold up so as the suspect is is waiting he had to control the workers and the
00:49:56
customers and as time went on at the scene he starts to lose control of the scene
00:50:02
and once he hears the 911 operator on McFarland's phone he knew that the robbery was a total bust except for the
00:50:10
register money and then the suspect hears the sirens in the distance and in a moment of anger or Panic or both he
00:50:17
killed the women and fled the scene I I think this could be a strong Theory the only reason why I I really question
00:50:27
the weight of this theory is like what you for what you just said 10 years has passed okay and this theory is easily
00:50:36
investigated and we know from detectives that we know here in Columbus and in the
00:50:41
Greater Columbus area that this is often the theory that they look at first when
00:50:46
they start looking into these crimes can we tie anybody that's working their previous employees to this criminal act
00:50:53
whether it just be the theft robbery or what went down here so in exploring this
00:50:58
possibility here's some more information and this is what I was able to gather from an
00:51:05
assistant manager of a Lane Bryant store and it is a stating this person told me
00:51:10
that it is store policy it was then and is currently store policy to have a manager or an assistant manager open the
00:51:19
store along with a regular employee right which we kind of learned from the Lululemon case it is also a policy to
00:51:27
drop off the previous day's proceeds at the bank in the morning before the store
00:51:33
opened so this has been one thing that's highly contested so all I can go off of is what
00:51:40
this person told me I've never worked a day in my life at Lane Bryant I don't work today in your life I filled out two
00:51:46
applications they didn't even call me for an interview or anything for Lane Bryant yeah oh I'm just because I'm
00:51:52
joking oh I was gonna say it's because you have a fascination with their spokes models so just to be clear on that all
00:52:01
the money taken in the day before is then counted the next morning and dropped off at the bank before they open
00:52:09
for business on that day pretty clear yeah so if you get there early enough you get the drop according to this
00:52:18
person the assistant manager and the manager are the only two that had the safe combination so
00:52:26
if like you said if this person could have got to the store before they opened their doors there's a chance at that
00:52:33
time the safe would have been open money is out and being counted by each employee
00:52:40
um and during this time once the money's counted they sign off on it and here's my thought
00:52:46
any chance this guy didn't do much homework and thought the store was opening at 11. because that's where
00:52:53
that's where you start to wonder about the delivery he seems to have a ruse to want to get in the store now you don't
00:53:01
need a ruse to get into the store and assess the situation when the doors are open anybody can just walk you just go
00:53:07
in and act like you're shopping yeah yeah but this guy had uh what he a fake delivery that he was planning on doing
00:53:15
yeah but I think to me the the fake delivery is more of a setup to for him to get into the building and for him to
00:53:25
be looking around and the kind of case casing the joint with this ruse and also I think with this Insider job
00:53:34
idea right that it's an Insider job I also think that there's a lot of there's High
00:53:41
turnover rate in these retail stores and you're talking about normally a lot of different ages you know when I worked at
00:53:48
PacSun there was a lot of people uh in their late teens early 20s and then you had other people in their mid-30s so you
00:53:56
got this pretty decent range and it could have just been somebody drinking out of
00:54:02
parties and when I used to work there and blah blah blah you see what I'm saying right I get you and telling about
00:54:07
the workings of of the store right you or this guy dated some girl that worked at Lane Bryant two years ago I mean he
00:54:15
could have some kind of Insider knowledge on some different level well where the this is where I have a big
00:54:22
issue with this whole story is that we have if if he in fact had Insider knowledge of the intricate workings of
00:54:31
the Lane Bryant store or if he was working with an accomplice remember we were stating that according to this
00:54:37
person that we spoke to that the money is counted in the morning and then taken to the bank that day
00:54:43
and this is done by an assistant manager or a manager and the store is opened by
00:54:49
a manager or assistant manager and another employee right the the thing that I have a big question mark on here
00:54:56
is and it makes this whole thing very curious to me is that Rhoda McFarland the store manager
00:55:04
she was not it's general knowledge that she was not scheduled to work that day and according to newspaper accounts she
00:55:11
was ends up being the only manager that we can get the name of of being in the store that day right so what could have
00:55:17
happened though is that a manager gets sick assistant manager somebody gets sick something
00:55:25
happens they have to call off work and she had to come in of course no I understand how that works I'm saying
00:55:31
what makes it weird is that either that's just a coincidence or this happened on this day for a reason right
00:55:40
and so the questions here are some some questions that were likely asked by the investigators and hopefully they
00:55:47
received satisfactory answers to help clear suspects or potential suspects in this case
00:55:54
so one was there an assistant manager scheduled to work on the morning of February 2nd 2008 and if so where was he
00:56:05
or she and what was the reason for them not being at the store two did the money from the previous day
00:56:12
get dropped at the bank on the day of the shooting if so did the bank have any cameras that
00:56:20
they could see if the people making the money drop were followed to or from the bank yeah number three could an
00:56:27
ex-employee or an assistant manager have promised a large payout from a safe and
00:56:32
then change their mind and failed to show up to assist this offender next question I would have would be have
00:56:40
Lane Bryant employees or ex-employees from other locations been investigated thought here too a little bit going
00:56:48
deeper into this going back a little bit the Lane Bryant store was open this particular store was open prior to Rhoda
00:56:55
McFarland having taken over as a manager so who was the prior manager and was the
00:57:02
combination to the safe changed when management changed yeah sometimes those safes just change
00:57:09
randomly yeah and who and who's in charge of save changing the safe combination is that something that they
00:57:16
send somebody in from corporate to do that or is that just going making a phone call and stating well now you have
00:57:21
to change the combination here's the old one um you know is that left up to that
00:57:26
particular store what's the protocol on that and then here's another question that I would have regarding the safe
00:57:32
combination are the safe combinations different per location or are they similar enough to figure out a different
00:57:40
stores combination now that seems like a weird question right no there most of these but it doesn't does it when people
00:57:48
who have worked retail or worked where there are safes especially in franchises or chains
00:57:53
they understand that that question is not that strange of a thought right I think it's strange the reason why is
00:58:00
because most of those people hire security companies to help them do this stuff so the security companies are not
00:58:07
going to have branches in similar locations to have combinations that are even remotely close that's my guess I
00:58:14
mean and that's just from my experience with Banking and how many times we had to change combinations to everything to
00:58:21
the main Vault to the teller Vault to individual vaults on our teller stations and in the back room and so I'm guessing
00:58:31
that Lane Bryant being such a big store where you say 800 in some stores yeah 800 some stores as of 2013 they're going
00:58:38
to have some security company that's kind of monitoring all that stuff they're going to pay somebody to to
00:58:44
monitor that I agree I could be wrong I agree but let me throw this at you and and I know you're speaking on experience
00:58:51
but you're speaking from your experience having worked in a bank now I know you worked retail at some point as well I
00:58:58
don't know if you had any Insider knowledge of how they did the the safes there at the point well I was telling
00:59:04
you at the well I think it was just a key I was telling you during the break I believe
00:59:09
our safe uh at PacSun he could have just picked up and walked out with like it wasn't like I don't even think it was
00:59:16
attached to a wall or anything because but that's a strong person could carry it out of the store yeah and this would
00:59:21
have been 2001 when I worked there so we're talking about a long time ago there was there was barely any cash ever
00:59:30
in that store if somebody wanted came in to Rob us it's like here's your couple hundred bucks have a nice day I worked
00:59:37
retail very briefly and I was such a low-level employee I had no knowledge of anything I went in there and worked for
00:59:44
fun twice a week basically um I worked for fun well I mean they paid me but it was just kind of a fun
00:59:50
job that I took but however I did work as a manager at a gas station and a manager at a pizza shop now we had
00:59:59
pretty at both places we had pretty loosey-goosey rules as far as how we conducted business I will say this at
01:00:08
the yeah but this was what 1976. no no no it would have been like 99 2000. so I will say this the one the gas station
01:00:18
that I worked for is a major chain I'm not going to say what what the brand is because I don't want people to know this
01:00:24
well we don't want people looking down on that brand for hiring you at the location that I worked
01:00:31
we had a four digit combination to the safe and the reason why I posed this question of could an employee of another
01:00:39
store have some general knowledge of how this store works and I don't think that's far-fetched even as much so as a
01:00:46
possible combination idea for the safe and I bring this up because of my experience there so ours we had a store
01:00:54
number a four digit store number which is not easily known to the general public it had nothing to do with our
01:01:00
street address it wasn't posted anywhere on the outside of the store on the inside of the store it was something
01:01:08
that usually only the managers would know most of the employees were unaware of our store number however
01:01:16
I will say this and and I only know this and maybe it didn't work this way at every location but at the time that I
01:01:24
worked at this gas station our combination our four-digit combination to our safe was the store number
01:01:31
oh that's stupid well no it is stupid it is it's very stupid but it's also not it's
01:01:40
not crazy it's not out of the realm of possibility that this no this type of thing was going on on other places
01:01:47
um but again all we have to know is how much money did he get and I'm sure that the law enforcement is well aware of
01:01:57
where he got the money from oh we got the money from so this is a question that they could obviously answer Captain
01:02:04
before we move on to I have a bit of an outside the box Theory here but before we move out of talking about robbery
01:02:12
that turned into a got turned violent and turned into murder right there's another theory out there that's that I
01:02:19
find to be very interesting and the theory is to simplify Phi is an out of town offender meets an out-of-town
01:02:29
murdered witness and what I mean by that is remember we mentioned earlier that Jenny Bishop she was from out of town
01:02:37
she was in town with her husband that was there on work and Jenny was going shopping while her husband was out
01:02:45
working that day [Music] is there is there a chance and this is just food for thought that the offender
01:02:53
that the the man that went in to rob the Lane Bryant store could he have been staying at one of those local hotels
01:03:00
where she was staying and they they had seen each other prior to the robbery he gets in in there in the back room and
01:03:11
now he's got a customer that he recognizes her face he doesn't know her name but if he recognizes her as having
01:03:19
stayed at the same hotel as he had the night before he would probably assume that she might be able to say hey that
01:03:26
guy that took off with the money out of here he was staying at the blah blah blah hotel last night possibly I I do
01:03:33
believe that the suspect was triggered by the 9-1-1 call because once that call happened you know five murders within
01:03:40
minutes yeah that's when the shooting starts so I I find this Theory intriguing and and I find it to be very
01:03:49
interesting and it makes me kind of think about other possibilities here I would believe that that a lot of
01:03:57
time was spent investigating those local hotels you know most of the time people
01:04:02
they keep records of license plates vehicles I normally need a credit card to rent credit card ID all those sort of
01:04:12
things not that this individual couldn't have stolen you know couldn't have put together materials to travel and use
01:04:20
somebody else's funds or vehicle for that one of the theories here is that this was not a robbery at all that this
01:04:29
was kind of is kind of staged to be a robbery but and since there was there was a murder that was actually going to
01:04:36
happen and the thought on this is Rhoda McFarland she would be at the center of this
01:04:43
Theory because for several years Rhoda had been deeply involved with the embassy Christian Center which is a now
01:04:50
defunct Church in Crest Hill Illinois she began as an administrative assistant to the pastor George Ajay Jr
01:05:00
and soon became one of his most trusted colleagues she was ordained as a minister and had become an associate
01:05:09
pastor at the church and she was even counseling girls remember we said she set up that Princess program
01:05:15
at some point Rota began to feel uncomfortable with some of ajay's financial decisions it's unclear of what
01:05:24
if any wrongdoing transpired and whether Rhoda's discomfort was solely over finances or if it included something
01:05:31
more personal that she had uncovered so a bad relationship happens between these two now around
01:05:41
this same time the church's membership went from 1 000 people to 75 by the time of 2006 and this is when Rhoda decides
01:05:52
to leave yes just looking looking on the outside and when you see drastic numbers
01:05:58
like that drop you assume you kind of assume something weird is going on there right well yeah well it
01:06:06
sounds to me that he was making some weird decisions this got out to uh his the the members of the church most of
01:06:14
the members of the church probably thought it was shady or or not a part of their belief systems and they left well
01:06:21
ajai he moved with his family in several church members to Austin Texas and this
01:06:28
was to start a new church um Embassy Nation Network which now appears to be closed as well one the
01:06:35
only problem with this theory for me is that Rona wasn't scheduled to work that day
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yeah no I get what you're saying but I want to kind of go into this in a little more depth here because this was
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something that the police investigated and even though they've been very tight-lipped about it one intriguing
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clue that the investigators uncovered is a 20-minute phone call placed by a former Embassy member now this took
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place about an hour before the murders and it was routed through the tower the cell phone tower nearest the Lane Bryant
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store apparently this was enough to Peak the task force interest because in Late July
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of the year of the murders nearly a dozen detectives from the major crimes task force traveled to Texas to
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interview former church members and Associates of Rhoda including ajai and now apparently at this time he was living in
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some big mansion up in the hills and uh somewhere in Texas when they tracked him
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down now all right so you go from a thousand members to 75 and then you go to Texas and you close down another
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church but you're still living in a mansion well interesting how that works ajai has
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publicly and forcefully rejected any notion that his church is linked to the homicides and investigators have
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continually said that um currently that they have no suspects so but but it's an intriguing connection the
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Texas connect connection for several reasons and one is the day before the murders
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there was a San Antonio news site this is w-o-a-i.com ran a story about a sex scandal involving a pastor named Rick
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Hawkins Hawkins is alleged to have used church funds to silence women either because he had had affairs with them or
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he has sexually harassed them now a poster on that site using the name for what's right left the following comment
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under the Hawkins story for what's right February 1st 2008 posted well someone should check out George Ajay in Austin
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Texas formerly of Illinois he has ties with Hawkins and has been suspected of doing the same thing the name of his
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church is Embassy Nation Church formerly Embassy Christian Center records show four what's right registered on that day
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and posted on that day and never commented again there are some out there that believe
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that this for what's right could actually have been Rhoda McFarland so I here's the thing Captain that's an
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interesting Theory it's an interesting thought very interesting one that we shouldn't completely rule out here that
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that maybe somebody was sent to kill Rhoda or one of these other people now regarding this particular Theory there
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is the cell phone tower information but really nothing much else right um so while it sounds like a very juicy lead
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impossible Theory keep in mind the police did investigate this and currently today they are stating that
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while through the course of 10 years they have had what they thought to be many good suspects as we sit here today
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they are telling us they have no suspects so having investigated this telling us they have no suspects it
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seems like it's been thoroughly investigated and possibly no connection but I do want to mention this before we
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conclude today another possible Texas connection is that America's Most Wanted are the great TV show right they covered
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this case when it was fresh well after doing a segment on the Lane Bryant click case
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