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foreign [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] so did you ever get your uh
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golf cart working yeah I get it working Friday but I didn't really do anything with it
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and then so Saturday after a night of bar hopping and fine dining at 1am me and my good friend decided it
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would be a great time to fire the golf cart up and do laps around the neighborhood and my property and we had
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a good old time doing that which friend and nobody um nobody said anything about it which
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was fantastic we didn't have any neighbors opening up their windows and yelling hey cut that out you crazy kids
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I wanted to say that they'd say look at those old men right right driving around
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on them actually I'm kind of in the country a little bit so you they might just fire shots at you
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well but it's new it's a new house new house to you so that's that's interesting
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well Captain we know this because we were just at crime con last month but for those of you that don't know
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crimecon 2019 will be June 7th through the 9th in New Orleans so great City on moving south yeah yeah Indianapolis the
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first year then then we go to Nashville Tennessee which was which was really cool and now we're going even further
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south to New Orleans well I tell you what I'm very happy to to be a part of this because if we're invited back oh
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well I mean there's [ __ ] I just assumed I just assumed that we were going to be
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invited back last year we got an email saying hey thanks for coming and this year no evil we've not heard anything so
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maybe they hate our guts all right well then I we just did a little promoting there for their big event but I'll tell
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you what regardless we might not be there maybe next year's will be terrible but if
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we're there it will be awesome uh Indianapolis was great we did that two years ago I was only able to stick
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around for like an afternoon you spent the weekend there and I heard great stories from a lot of people not just
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you telling me stories about you and about the good times they had with all the great podcasters there this year
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Nashville I'll tell you what no disrespect to Indianapolis I love the city of Indianapolis you and I went
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there years ago for the Big Ten championship and we had that's one like one of my favorite nights of hanging out
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with buddies drinking the Buckeyes destroyed the Badgers that night we had a fan you lived in Indiana at that time
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and we proceeded to go back to your place for the after party that was a great night but Nashville I love I love
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Nashville what a great City and they had a great uh what was that the Gaylord Resort and Convention Center was hosting
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the event and it anybody I'd never heard of it before it's like a it's like a city inside of a
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city you're like in like a this biosphere some kind of it's like if you ever seen the movie biodome yeah and
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basically the same thing inside this place you got a beautiful hotel and you have restaurants and bars which
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was great because you kind of just if you're there for the whole weekend you park your car and then you go live in
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this little bubble world for the whole weekend which involves nice restaurants and good bars and we just kept it was
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great because we got to see you know we say like we're friends with Generation Y
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uh truth and Justice thinking sideways there's so many of them I know I'm going to leave somebody out uh the mara Murray
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guys yeah Tim and Lance Tim and Lance so I mean we're friends with all of these people we we get to interact with them
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through email phone calls from time to time and we've been lucky enough to be on some of their shows
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but to see everybody in person was was a lot of fun you know well they're really
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I mean all the shows are really busy and we're busy every week I mean we have a new case every week so we kind of
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you know we get you know little emails or little direct messages and passing but that's pretty much it so to to be
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able to sit there for even 15-20 minutes and talk about how things are going because
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they're very similar to us I mean you start this and the only people that really understand their experience that
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me and you have gone through is me and you uh but the closest to understanding that experience is is
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um you know like Aaron and Justin from Generation Y you know what I have to I my first
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comment out of the gate has to be this okay I have an amazing amount of respect for Bob Ruff and Mike bussing they do
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that truth and Justice podcast it's a great show and I'm enjoying this season because you and I are kind of
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West Memphis Three junkies so I've been really digging in and listening to that and I remembered I remembered on our
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show one time we were talking about Bob Ruff and for some reason well not for some reason I said it for the reason
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that I thought I was correct at the time I said that he looks like Dan Le batard
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from the who who for people that don't know Dan Le batard is like a sports uh he has a Sports Talk Show yeah so a very
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accomplished broadcaster I I meant that in a in a in a good way however I saw Bob in person he does not look anything
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like Dan Le batard uh maybe it's the voice that that reminds me of that but he does not look like like Dan Le batard
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at all so Bob if you heard that I apologize unless you want to look like that maybe that's his maybe that's his
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goal yeah it was it's funny too because so to break down how crimecon kind of works is there's there's three days
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there's the Friday there's Saturday and Sunday and then they have these the main
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thing that we did was a thing called podcast row and that was just inside the convention center they had these
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different booths and different tables set up for all the the podcasters but what's funny was we were right by uh
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thinking sideways and we're right by Bob and and uh Generation Y and crawl space
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and it's it was almost like well here's our little corner of all all these guys are friends right and so the whole so
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people would get in line to take your picture which I don't just find to be very
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I I I can't even say it's flattering though it's nice I mean that people bother to wait in line to meet me and
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say hi to me like I I think it it means something like and it actually like sometimes we need a bit of a pat on the
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back for doing this because it is a lot of heavy lifting a lot of hard on the ass but so meeting everybody and and
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hearing High Praise face to face was was very and actually for me it kind of came
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at a much needed time uh I was we did a few cases in a row I was a little little
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in the dark little uh in a dark place because of some of the cases we covered and meeting everybody put me in a great
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mood and really lifted my spirit yeah that's that's nice right but but no I get what you're trying to say but it's
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still a little and I don't want to say odd is I don't think odd is the right word
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but it's something right it's like yeah don't you feel a little weird oh yeah yeah yeah because
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um actually after after meeting some of the listeners and getting to know them a
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little bit there's actually some listeners I would wait in line to meet now having met these people so but the
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funny thing was you said that they they grouped us around a lot of the other podcasters that we've had previous
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interactions with that we are we would say we're kind of podcasting friends right yeah the the here was one thing
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that was Auto give we'll give a little behind the scenes here we've not mentioned this before but there's a
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there's a show called True Crime Brewery I'm sure some people are familiar with it they're nice people I I don't know if
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they're a husband and wife but they kind of just ripped off our show and what I thought was funny was the um I always
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kind of suspected hey they just ripped off our show you and I didn't we don't have any ill will towards them so but we
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just didn't go out of our way to say hello except for one of the uh the female host ran over to us and kind of
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like sabotaged our line yeah we didn't even know who she was we didn't know who she was she like jumps between me and
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the captain snaps a selfie and she goes we're friends and I said I said who are you yeah she goes I'm True Crime Brewery
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and we get a lot of a lot of hate online because people say that we ripped off your show well maybe because you ripped
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off our show this this picture will prove that we are friends so right here that proves a lot here's the whole
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reality of that all that proves is that we we got Bamboozled into taking a picture with somebody we didn't know who
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it was I wouldn't say we're not friends but we're definitely not friends no no no and and like look and we've
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kind of and they started their show a while ago but when when we found out about it it was like it was kind of this
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joke we talked about I think these weird people took our idea and they like and also like our formula
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they started like doing their intros the way we did them and it's almost like they kept on listening to figure out
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what are they going to do next so we can rip it off and that's fine and a lot of
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people would bash them online and we never never did that because at the end of the day we know that they
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um you know they are obviously passionate about true crime and they're trying to give content and put out free
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material the problem is you ripped off the idea you know so I don't think you're a bad person but hey maybe you
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should came up with your own idea so so what is that imitation is the greatest form of flattering is that what they say
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so we should we should just say no imitation just makes you an [ __ ] you know so but but we're friends right
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quotation marks we're friends I didn't think we're going to be bashing anybody no but uh so but it was yeah that was an
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interesting interaction uh and then it was also interesting to it's just also as much as it's interesting for The
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Listener to see us and hear our voices coming out of you know come out of our mouths that's what I heard a bunch like
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it's so weird to see you and hear your voice coming out of your mouth um but I listen to thinking sideways so
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much and to to hang out with those guys because on I think it was Friday wait we
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got down there Thursday yeah and you just you went to uh some Honky Tonk so here's the thing Captain I
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I did get approached by a few people because we did some meetups while we were there like so as the captain was
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saying we'll give you a quick rundown of how it worked we did podcast row each day but it was like kind of like
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early afternoon or morning time that we would do this podcast Row for about two hours two and a half hours you show up
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we'll talk with you take a picture whatever right that was fantastic and then throughout the day they have all
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these different speakers and presentations and events going on and then after hours the captain and I would
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do uh we we went to a couple meetups at some different bars one within the resort one downtown Nashville which was
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great so here's my reigning endorsement right here is the the tickets I'm not gonna lie because I'm a cheap bastard
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the tickets are a little they're expensive you know everybody's got to work for a living everybody's got bills
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to pay so it get can be tough to come up with travel money and I don't know what
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is it 200 bucks for a ticket or something like that but here's what I will say I'm not for sure but but there
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there's weekend passes and then there's day passes and then on top of that you have like VIP passes which gets you to
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like the front of the line and get you into every yeah everything that you want so so there are varying levels of of
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cost for tickets but what I will say that is this if you're worried about like value for
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your dollar I'm telling you from from the time it starts on Friday morning till Sunday evening you will be busy the
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entire time there will not be like a minute like I I didn't have a minute where there wasn't something going on
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that was crime con related whether it be an after hours event that the podcasters
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set up on their own or the events that crimecom put together they put together some very interesting ones I went to one
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the Delphi murders where the families were there and they were speaking out and bringing more awareness to their
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case they actually had the local sheriff there as well um so let's let's run down day by day
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we'll do that well you do you were about to mention that you did something Thursday night and I I was going to say
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that I did get approached at one of our meetups by some people that said hey you're uh Mr anti-social we don't see
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you that much and and here here's here's my blanketed response to that not Mr I'm
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a bastard not Mr anti-social at all actually my thing is I love Nashville and when I go to Nashville I want to see
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some some country western bands I'm not even a big country western fan but you put me in Nashville why are you wearing
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cowboy boots when you put me in Nashville I am a country western dude so I went out and hit the uh did what I
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call honky Tonkin Thursday Friday and Saturday night I love that City but what did you do Thursday you were about to to
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mention the thinking sideways crew yeah so Devin I'm friends with Devon from thinking sideways if you're not
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listening to their show there it's a great show and um one of my favorites and so I was hanging out with Devin she
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said hey there's a bunch of people um that are going to go to this whiskey bar so you want to go of course if you
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want to go to the whiskey bar right um and then was that Mr Jack Daniel's whiskey bar yes oh I think it was yeah
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because they did have a I think I think well there's a Jack Daniels restaurant okay sorry but but there was this
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Whiskey Bar and so I'm waiting for them and then I see them I'm big fans you know so you got Steve
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Joe and Devin and I'm just like you know you're you're kind of geeking out a little bit right but but you're friends
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with them so it's weird because you're geeking out a little bit but uh they're then there's like herd of like women
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come up and they're like hey can we get your picture so I'm like taking all these pictures why I have Steve yelling
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at me saying Oh Mr popular you know and uh so that was kind of strange so then we went to uh to this Whiskey
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Bar and the mind of Madness yeah yeah yeah yeah those uh is that a husband and wife husband and wife team
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and that dude's got like a crazy awesome voice he's a great welcome to the minds
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of Madness podcast well here well yeah he's got a great radio voice well he also has uh a lot of um engineering
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experience so we were talking shop and it's like within seconds you're like this guy knows what the hell he's doing
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uh so great for them their Show's taken off I'm trying to do some music for them
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uh because they use like canned music so I'm trying to get some uh background noises for him but but right away it was
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like hey nice to see you nice to meet you hey you want some whiskey sure so I get some whiskey and
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but you know somebody hands you a shot of whiskey I don't know if you know sometimes I don't know if you're
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supposed to drink it or if you're supposed to shoot it or okay and and sometimes I would shoot
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whiskey I would sip bourbon yeah but whatever they gave me like I I shot it and it was I don't think you should be
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shooting it so then I had like some ladies that want to like sit in my lap which was strange or maybe I sit on
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their lap I'm not really for sure and then I snuck outside and then I and here's what happens at crime con so
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most of the podcasters uh or most of the people in general that are at the convention they're they're very giving
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of their time you know oh yeah so at The Whiskey Bar very approachable fun to talk to eager and willing to hang out
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have a drink with you yeah I think my number one thing that I said to people is you want to take a picture
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like not that I wanted to take the picture but I just thought like sometimes people are nervous to ask so
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it's like ah come on just take a picture let's do this my favorite is when they say no yeah
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I don't need I don't need your picture you want the ugly son you're gonna break my phone yeah yeah I can't this camera
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is expensive uh so I go outside and then I'm I'm in this um I can't remember what
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we're debating but it was you know some case and it seems like every I mean that
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was the thing like you'd be drinking hanging out with people and then somebody would like stare deep into your
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eyes and be like so what do you think about Stephen Avery that was like that but I like it because
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I think it's a good uh it's it's good to see you know we're putting out shows and
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we're putting out this information so it's kind of good to see one the feedback also but where other people
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stand and what pieces of information on different cases that people find fascinating
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um so that's why that's what I did uh on well the the funny thing was we had podcasts grow early on Friday morning
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so my whole thing was I need to get to bed right well you and you had to get back to our hotel so in full disclosure
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here we stayed at the resort for Friday Saturday night right but Thursday like I
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said I'm a cheap bastard we stayed at a different hotel across town well the resort was filled up anyway right it was
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not easy to get a hotel that weekend the Predators the Kick-Ass Nashville Predators had had a playoff game that
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weekend as well so yeah which I mean so their whole town was and a bunch of different conventions happening at the
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same time plus you got the grand old Grand old Opry and all that stuff so I have to head back and I'm like waiting
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for my Uber and there's like this like this the convention center is so freaking big it's huge but like so like
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I'm at this point where you're supposed to call a taxi like they have like this taxi Uber Loop
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uh and then I run into some lovely ladies that were at crime con 2017. okay um beautiful girl I can't
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I'm not gonna put her name out there for anybody but she was a little tipsy and she just had
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this like joke that she came up with or this thought where like there's different ages
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and at different ages your your trash so like I've managed to be trash for most of my ages well for whatever reason
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she's like I'm 31 years old and I'm trash Oh really it extends that far no but it's like different ones so
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like you know I'm 37 so then we're like well that might be a trashy age okay so I don't really know how she I don't know
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I don't know what she's talking about but it sounds interesting yeah but so every time I'd see her I just go oh that
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girl's trash and then she'd laugh and everybody would wonder why I'm calling this pretty girl you know trashy um
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so very smart uh her friends were very smart and I think we talked about the haddon's I had case for like four hours
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oh so like I left at like no I could have been four hours I was gonna say that's as long as the entire serial
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first episode first season was that maybe two or three I'm joking it was it was a long time because I went outside I
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was like I'm gonna get my gonna get an Uber and then I started talking to these ladies and I didn't want to push the
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button because once you pushed the button the guy is heading there and they're real nice and and I was trying
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to be friendly and and talking and then I just never pushed the button and then again it was like an hour and a half
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later two hours later I was like okay that's it that's it I gotta go because my legs were like throbbing from
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standing so much so so that was my uh but my point about that story is I went to The Whiskey Bar
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uh you know got caught outside in a debate about a case not a debate but discussion about a
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case and then waiting for my Uber getting into a two-hour long conversation about case so my point is
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is that when you buy these tickets even if they uh are a little expensive for somebody you're gonna get a lot of value
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out of this you might sit with one of your favorite podcast hosts and talk about a case for two hours be prepared
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to be busy for about three days straight from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed and then like the captain
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pointed out that that was Thursday night before the thing even started and there
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was a bunch of uh True Crime podcasters hanging out and chatting and because most of them got to the resort I would
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believe probably Thursday evening yeah would be my guess well then what then I wake up Friday and I go and I have to
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get my passes and all that crap and I run into Tim and Lance from crawl space and also Missy Mara Murray and
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they're hanging out with Maggie from the documentary so it was nice to meet her because I was a fan from the TV she's a
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TV star she's a TV well yeah they put the beautiful people on TV um even though you know Tim and Lance
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should be on TV more but art was not there was he there was not there I would have liked to have met playing hooky art
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I did get the chance to meet Maggie that was nice um I did short here's here's this is a
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funny thing and I don't know if you know this that I was walking from point A to point
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B I don't remember where I was walking or why but at one point I look over and I'm not
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inside of a restaurant like I said there's many restaurants and bars with inside this biosphere thing that is the
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resort the the Gaylord Resort so I'm walking and I passed this this restaurant and I can see through the
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restaurant window at a small table is none other than Maggie TV star what I wish I knew her last name James Renner
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the author and the captain three of them sitting at this small little table having what looked to be a great that
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was Jack Daniels and so I uh the Jack Daniels uh restaurant a thought popped in my head I
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said I see three wonderful people having lunch should I go in there and say hi or
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they're in the middle of a conversation I'll just continue on my way I want to say that was okay so first of all when I
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run into Tim and Lance again big fans of them so I have to get over the initial like five minutes of being a fan of
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somebody's work and also being friends with them right so it takes me a second and also on the documentary I had this
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big question because during the docute series they show Maggie go-to uh Lance's house right
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and it's this beautiful house like I'm like there is no way what you perceive to be Lance's Lance's home right which
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so I got to the bottom of it you know it was a place that he was at now he's in a
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new place so uh it wasn't a house he owned it would make me feel a bit better about my life
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um but they actually put out I think they're going to put out a six-part series I'm not really for sure
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but it seems like they're working on um you know the footage that they have of their investigation of the mara Murray
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case they released like the first hour hour and a half and I went to that which was cool because Aurelia the girl that
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helps us with uh Facebook and some different Social Media stuff she was there and she was the one that
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introduced me to the case so to be able to watch it with her which was was is pretty cool and then they had a panel
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afterwards but man like I told Brenner the documentary The the portion you got to see was fantastic
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wasn't it it well yeah and it wasn't so much about it wasn't so much about the case as in
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the behind the scenes of what you know podcasters do what document what people working on docs what they do and so I
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thought that was just really fascinating it was just the first part and it's just
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kind of a piece but I also thought it showed renners um humor because he is a funny guy
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but okay here's what I want to say so I watched this doc and I get a message because you know I'm
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friends with some of these people online so I get a message saying you know from
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Maggie saying Hey do you what are you doing afterwards do you want to grab a bite T right okay
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do I want to grab a bite to eat with their attractive intelligent woman of course
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of course I do right now mind you she has a very cool boyfriend we've talked about that before so it's
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you know it's just friendly but hey it doesn't hurt so I go and then Here Comes bastard James old
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Jimmy Renner hey guys can I join ya it's like no you can't join us Renner go back
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to Cleveland no no no here's the thing you have to let James Renner join you one because friend of the show our show
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but two I think Renner was there all by himself all by his Lonesome like at least me and
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you we got we got a co-host like we're there with somebody else well but we're not there with each other that's people
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kept on going where's your co-host first thing everybody would say if anybody bumped into me the first thing they
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would say is where's the captain and it's like and you don't know is were they hoping to
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see the captain you know the captain and not me right no no or do they just together or do they just expect that we
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are like we're just walking around joined at the hips yeah I mean if you saw like thinking sideways or you saw
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Generation Y you saw most the other shows they would kind of be in their own little group I mean we just we're just a
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little different I mean we see each other enough you know like we saw each other at all
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the events like we don't have to like hey where are you going to eat you know um well yeah we would do podcasters bro
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for about three hours a day together yeah and then have a little you know have some talks in between so yeah you
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had an interesting job and then I had an interesting job where I traveled and so
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we're kind of used to that and and I also think like we're in a band together I think you kind of get used to like
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you're here together but you don't have to be connected to the hip and and I also don't mind just exploring stuff by
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myself but well you and I like to we like a lot of the same things but we you and I one thing I've noticed is that we
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both like to do things on our own timeline on our own itinerary kind of thing yeah where we probably would enjoy
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doing all the same things just not in the same order not on the same day um you know when I'm in Nashville I want
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to I want to drink some cold cold beers watching some kick-ass bands and I want to fill up on barbecue that's yeah but
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right and that's my town takeover and I think the difference between me and you is you look at it and go well we're
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going to Crime con so I will give them myself when I'm at crime con events and then
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I'm also going to do some stuff for me and I I think that's a fair way to look at it and then for me it was just like
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I'm only going to Nashville to do this crime con event right so that's and I've been to Nashville a bunch so
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it's like not not that I don't like it I do like it but it's like I'm you know I don't
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need to go to a you know see a live band or something so to me it was like when I
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went there it was just I'm here I'm giving all my time of of these events because I think there was like a meet up
00:28:49
Friday night at the fuse bar which was a decent bar inside the biosphere thing uh inside the
00:28:57
resort and let's see you were there Bob Ruff was there uh Generation Y a bunch of the Dateline people were
00:29:08
there too but I don't think they were there they weren't there to be part of this Meetup where they just happened to
00:29:13
go there to have some drinks I'm guessing yeah I think so and what's his name Keith Morrison with his beautiful
00:29:20
hair Morrison uh Saturday night or was that Friday night so it's kind of the nice
00:29:28
thing about uh crime con is it it really does become a blur well so it is a big party
00:29:35
um at least you and I treated as as one big party but so we technically had a meet-up Friday night at fuse and I think
00:29:43
I think Saturday no no Saturday was at the weed and for the season the Whedon feeder what I
00:29:50
don't know what the [ __ ] place was called I kept calling it the weed eating scene regardless I did take some Flack
00:29:57
from a bunch of people on Saturday during the day they're like hey there was that big meet up last night at fuse
00:30:03
and uh everybody was there but you and I said no no no no what happened wasn't I was there I
00:30:11
didn't show I didn't bother to show up till 10 15. I went out honky Tonkin first went down to fuse afterwards and I
00:30:18
was there from about 10 10 15 to about one in the morning so I did do my time there met lots of people I do want to
00:30:25
bring this up though uh I met a group of ladies had ended up having a uh interesting
00:30:34
intelligent conversation with them but it didn't start off so intelligent so what happened was I was walking in there
00:30:42
and I do want to clear this up because I think um somebody posted this on our Facebook
00:30:46
or somewhere and it kind of rubbed me the wrong way so I do want to I want to defend myself here we'll never defend
00:30:53
ourselves on the show so I I I'm walking through fuse and I think I was going to
00:30:59
order a beer or something anyway somebody like grabs my shoulder grabs my arm probably a Michelob Ultra in shouts
00:31:07
hey Ryan Ferguson and I turned around and so if you if you read this on Facebook the way that this young lady
00:31:15
says that the interaction went down is like this she grabbed my arm and said hey Ryan
00:31:21
Ferguson I turn around and look at her and go hey F you which which would be awesome well it might be actually it
00:31:32
would be it would have been funny like I I think of it I mean going down that way
00:31:36
a funny way it would have been funny but the thing that I don't like about that is
00:31:41
our conversation was much different than that meaning that when when she's when she said that to me and I turned around
00:31:49
I think I said I'm not Ryan Ferguson and she looked at me goes oh yeah duh you're
00:31:53
not Ryan Ferguson and I looked at her and I said wait a second don't feel weird that's a great compliment that
00:32:01
dude's younger than me in better shape than me uh probably you know better looking than me tanner than me so
00:32:06
everything about us like very happy very happy to be mistaken for a one Ryan Ferguson but I wanted to be clear on
00:32:15
that because with me reacting saying Fu to her that that puts off it either I'm either I'm a real jerk or two that I
00:32:25
don't like Ryan Ferguson which I don't know much about Ryan Ferguson other than what I've seen on TV so yeah he was
00:32:32
there and that's how that thing went down I know a lot of people that met him he seemed like a nice guy I didn't
00:32:37
actually get to meet him I wanted to meet him because I was always fascinated with his case and just to you know I
00:32:43
mean it's just like when I saw Keith Morris it's like you just have to go shake his hand you know just to be like
00:32:48
yeah I've watched 100 shows of you narrating um well he's got the best voice in delivery of anybody on these crime shows
00:33:00
these days that's in my opinion yeah and um what's the other um rise up lights did you meet those girls
00:33:12
they kept on saying if you say rise up lights rise up lights but if you say it quickly it sounds like razor blades you
00:33:22
know and then like an Australian accent so you go like rise up lights right so what is that I don't understand
00:33:30
what that means or has anything to do with anything I don't know either I'm just saying that
00:33:36
I'm I met them twice well no we met them multiple times but I had a couple long conversations about different uh
00:33:44
uh just different cases but for whatever reason that came up and these things but
00:33:49
the but the reason why I bring that up is because so I'm hanging out with these beautiful girls and we're talking about
00:33:54
stuff and they're telling me to do this rise up lights and a couple of guys from Dateline were
00:34:01
like behind the girls kind of like making fun of me because there's like a herd of girls around me heard I don't
00:34:10
know if I heard that a real way to pluralize no I don't know a gaggle of girls you know what I'm saying there's
00:34:17
there's a some you know probably at least a grouping six to eight young ladies no and they're not like Google
00:34:24
gaga all over me they're not like drool hanging out of their mouth they're just like our show they want to talk to us
00:34:30
about you know talk to me about some cases and and the guys you know Keith Morris and everybody from Dateline is
00:34:36
sitting there like like kind of like oh look at you with all these girls around you you know uh but also kind of like
00:34:43
you know good work young young man um so a Friday a Friday was fuse and then Saturday was
00:34:57
Feed and Seed and you laugh feed it now to be fair we said we were going to be at feed and
00:35:03
seed for a couple hours right something like that possibly and you came and then you left
00:35:13
and then who do I hang out with crime I was probably at weed and feed for two hours
00:35:19
feeding scene I was there for the amount of time we said we would be there right
00:35:24
that's what I'm saying whatever we said we're going to be there the funny thing though it was um
00:35:31
what floor were we on there like the fourth fourth floor yeah yeah so I was on the first floor for quite some time
00:35:39
before I figured out that I was supposed to be well nobody nobody gave me any information on where to be no
00:35:46
yeah yeah uh and it was actually I actually I kind of accidentally stumbled on to our own event our own Meetup
00:35:54
because I went to the first floor and I was like ah the band's pretty good drinks are pretty good but it was very
00:35:59
crowded on the first floor and then I happened to look over and see a staircase and I was like oh I think I
00:36:05
watched for a minute oh people were going up there so I went up to the second floor
00:36:09
it was second floor was great but still a little crowded went up to the third floor there was nobody right like I mean
00:36:15
that's where we were supposed to be it was weird you get to the third floor and I think they were doing like um uh had
00:36:21
like a DJ with some dancing which I'm probably sure that about 11 o'clock at night that's the floor to be on but it
00:36:28
wasn't that late yet so I thought well [ __ ] there's nothing going on up here I'm gonna go to the top floor because
00:36:34
fresh air there's going to be a balcony open you know you had to fart they had a
00:36:38
ceiling bar or ceiling bar Rooftop Bar and uh I had a stealing you know who had a ceiling bar uh Lionel Richie had a
00:36:47
ceiling bar remember that they had a ceiling bar why the hell did does not everybody bar have a ceiling bar anyway
00:36:55
so I went up to the rooftop bar and immediately I saw other people that were supposed to be there and had a great
00:37:02
time meeting everybody you got a nice view of downtown Nashville from up there uh you could see their hockey arena and
00:37:10
what was cool about that event was because it was not at the resort that some people that were unable to attend
00:37:17
or just lived in the area showed up to that thing and uh we were able to meet lots of great listeners that way yeah
00:37:25
yeah [Music] okay you know me right I'm just a little a little strange and and um
00:37:33
and I think okay one of the great things about meeting any of the listeners to me
00:37:40
is that like you know again if if they listen to the show a bunch like At first there might be a little bit like oh man
00:37:47
this is kind of strange right but it's like they know a lot about you not tons about your purse your your personality
00:37:55
off the show or your personal life but they know enough about you or they have something to talk to you about it which
00:38:03
is crazy because like if you just met a stranger right yeah you'd be like what's
00:38:07
your name okay yeah what's your name and he might not the conversation might not
00:38:12
go anywhere right but when somebody's uh a listener of the show they can talk about a case right they
00:38:19
could bring up a case or hey you said this one thing in this episode blah blah and next thing you know it's like an
00:38:25
hour has gone by but I met I met this couple young couple no they're not a couple okay and um
00:38:35
big fans of the show like the dude was super excited that he was like getting to hang out and then like I find out
00:38:42
like he's with this very beautiful girl right but they're not boyfriend and girlfriend
00:38:50
so they're travel buddies yeah but they're like best friends right and but you know you get a good looking guy with
00:38:58
a good looking girl and you start going oh why aren't you guys dating what's going on here and so like
00:39:03
you know they probably wanted to talk about cases and I just kept I mean look now I'm at this point
00:39:10
because I did drink I might drink some beer but but at the Meetup I had a lot of people that wanted
00:39:17
to buy shots and so again look I just think if you don't know people buying shots you need to see where the drink is
00:39:25
coming from I had some friends uh that were there that could go get me a drink and and come back so I could kind of
00:39:32
just party and stuff but I had a bunch of mixed drinks and a bunch of shots so I was pretty drunk so then they got this
00:39:39
drunk captain grilling I'm about about the relationship like have you ever kissed
00:39:46
have you ever held hands have you I mean that is weird they're they probably went
00:39:51
they probably went from like I'm a big fan of the show to like they probably left like I've never
00:39:57
listen to that show again again the guy wanted but you know like sometimes when you're drunk and you just kind of get
00:40:03
fixated on something yeah yeah I mean that's kind of what happened because baseball or football
00:40:09
yeah but that conversation other than whatever happened have you guys ever tongue kissed have you ever has your
00:40:16
tongue never touched her tongue that's weird I'm putting that on you that's why they
00:40:21
answered all the questions and then uh and and I kept on running into uh Justin from which Justin's tall
00:40:30
both those guys are kind of tall the Generation Y guys Justin and Aaron but me and Justin were
00:40:36
oh I I can't speak for him is he taller than you because you're you're usually one of the
00:40:42
one of the if not the tallest guy in the room is very close but was funny was you
00:40:48
know I I wasn't drunk I was buzzed for sure I can't say he was but he brought up
00:40:55
this idea that we would do a show together and I don't know so he's like let's do a
00:41:01
show together and I was like okay and I thought you just meant like me and him that's not what he meant so what he
00:41:06
meant was uh like a Wife Swap like Generation Y and and post swap is what we've got no that's what I think
00:41:15
that's what he caught it Wife Swap maybe he's more strange than you yeah but he but he well yeah have you guys ever
00:41:22
tongue kissed have you ever touched have you ever wife swapped um so no he was saying
00:41:29
uh let's let's do this uh show swap I go Okay cool so we're gonna pick this case
00:41:34
or this is the idea anyways right that we're gonna pick a case and then so but I'm kind of the color commentary
00:41:43
and he's kind of the color commentary so the idea would be that like you know Justin would do a show with you that's
00:41:51
and I do a show with Aaron right that's the premises that the the premise that most people would assume I think right
00:41:58
but then Justin was like no no me and you should do a show together and and Nick and Aaron should do a show together
00:42:04
it's funny that it's weird that you and Justin had almost The Identical conversation that me and Aaron had
00:42:10
separately at another time where we kind of jokingly said the same thing well if
00:42:16
hey that's a great idea why don't me and you do it and then stick those two together and so I think
00:42:24
it's a great idea sounds sounds interesting we'll see if we can pull it off because like you said they're busy
00:42:30
we're busy but if we can agree on a case and uh come up with some good information maybe we'll make this happen
00:42:37
yeah so that was Saturday and then Sunday we had meetings the thing that was stupid was
00:42:44
they have these media uh these podcasts rows so early and out of all the people that are going to be the drinkers of the
00:42:51
group so I think one of them we had to be there at 9 30 or 9 o'clock nine A.M which is just kind of early for it's
00:43:00
well education well I'll tell you what it wasn't terrible it could have been worse but the uh would have been 6 30.
00:43:08
the thing that that made it rough was that our meetups were um you know they were evening time
00:43:14
evening hours or night time actually I should say and like you mentioned those things are not
00:43:21
short you can say hey I'm gonna just show up and see who's there and say hi but when you see who's there and say Hi
00:43:27
and then you get into conversations about cases you're meeting other people you're having a good time you're asking
00:43:32
questions about romantic relationships with two people you've never met before it ends up being it ends up being
00:43:41
midnight or one o'clock or later yeah it's pretty late then I the Uber and a lot of uber
00:43:48
this show is not sponsored by Uber but then so we do the meet up especially after this last did you see the crap
00:43:56
this last weekend the Uber um Uber driver fatally shot somebody oh that's awesome I don't remember what
00:44:05
state it was in but uh but you you you wonder what that person was doing it was well he he claims self-defense in in the
00:44:14
cops I think were suspicious of that self-defense Jazz well maybe one he's not supposed technically
00:44:22
per Uber's rules and regulations he's not supposed to have a firearm with him we shouldn't talk about it too much
00:44:27
because this is one of those things that you know I'm out at a bar Friday night and they're showing this on the TV with
00:44:36
no sound so I have little to no information other than the strange you know we keep talking about Uber and then
00:44:43
we have this weird case that happened this last weekend yeah so the the Sunday Meetup was I just remember
00:44:51
feeling a little rough and and we we took pictures and then they kept telling me that we have a
00:45:00
VIP meet up like all weekend they're texting me when is a good time to do who when you say
00:45:08
they crime you mean the people the organizers of the event yes so I guess what happens is that uh if you're a VIP
00:45:16
you're you basically could just like request that you gotta personal meet up with
00:45:23
you know a host of something and so I got these text messages when I first got there hey uh there's this
00:45:30
meetup group right VIP uh what day works for you and then it basically came out to be like I I
00:45:39
think I said I could do it Friday and we didn't do it I can do it Saturday we didn't do it and then I was like oh I'll
00:45:44
do it Sunday so we do the little meet and greet um then we say our goodbyes well
00:45:52
we say our goodbyes to everybody Bob Bob gave us a really nice hat for truth and
00:45:59
Justice and uh it was nice to see Devin because Devin's got married the following week follow-on week so it was
00:46:05
nice to see her before she got married and that's thinking sideways I don't know
00:46:11
why I feel like I have to say their name plus their show but uh you should so people know who we're talking about so
00:46:18
you're like I'm gonna hit the road right oh I hit the road and I'm I have to go to do this VIP
00:46:25
Meetup but I was really I really didn't understand why it was just me like it's like if they're going to do a
00:46:35
meet up you think they would want both of us right well yeah yeah so I go outside and
00:46:43
I meet some people from ah where were they from uh Minnesota no there's a lot of people
00:46:52
from Minnesota but uh [ __ ] apparently Minnesota the New Hampshire or something
00:46:58
but they because it but they gave us a lot of beer so they give us a ton of beer and so
00:47:04
because of our meet up my thought was I'm just gonna take my luggage to the Meetup spot and then I'm gonna go
00:47:14
to this VIP Meetup and then I'm going to hit the road go home well the problem was
00:47:21
that this these awesome uh friends hand me a ton of beer like a lot of beer like we had to get a
00:47:32
bag for the beer so now I'm carrying my my book bag my little uh luggage and I got all this beer and I go to this VIP
00:47:40
Meetup which then crimecon gives me like some other stuff that I now have to carry and then I get
00:47:47
to this Meetup really good looking it's gonna sound bad but very good looking lady uh she was
00:47:55
every person you've mentioned was good looking this this tells everybody out there something the people at crime con
00:48:03
The Beautiful People it the whole audience fantastic I saw there was scale one to ten everybody was at least a nine
00:48:10
or eleven like the most beautiful group I've ever seen well this was this lady was like six you know she was a six
00:48:18
sixes that's successful I thought you were gonna say she was a six she she was a six after everybody's a nine does she
00:48:26
kind of look like Cameron Diaz and I'm not like uh I've never been like oh my God Cameron Dia is so beautiful but she
00:48:33
kind of looked like Cameron Diaz and she's very sweet and I gave her one of the beers and and the funny thing was I
00:48:38
was like okay so why did you want to meet me you know like this is and she's basically like hey dumbass I didn't want
00:48:47
to meet you I wanted to meet your go like where's the other guy and I was like oh well he's on his way home and
00:48:54
then uh but uh in all fairness like you I mean you didn't outwardly say this so I do
00:49:01
have to say I didn't know I was supposed to attend no no no no it wasn't clear like it was
00:49:07
like they invited the captain and and what was even weird was we were doing our podcast row that morning and we you
00:49:14
and I had spoke I think the day before and we were like yeah man podcast row we we are so busy on Monday and Tuesday
00:49:22
it's a what a six hour drive roughly from Columbus to Nashville too long so once we did the podcast row I thought we
00:49:32
were going to kind of Burn Rubber and get out of town because we had to be back here in the studio in the garage
00:49:37
Monday morning and so the day before you were like yeah man let's we'll Convoy this thing home uh right after podcaster
00:49:46
row on Sunday and then the next day on my podcast row with you and you're like I have to do this thing yeah I told you
00:49:53
Saturday I got this thing okay and then I told you again Sunday but I I it's again it's not your fault
00:50:02
and and I had to explain it to this beautiful lady like hey I'm sorry he would have been here but they just
00:50:07
basically it wasn't good communication on their part like they should have said hey can
00:50:13
you guys because what they do just send you a text like hey uh can you come come to this thing yeah
00:50:20
what time works for you this time you know I'll just go do my thing and uh but the hotel was beautiful
00:50:27
uh the the restaurants and the place were amazing I had a this sandwich it's a hamburger that was I can't remember what
00:50:38
the place was called but is it Stacks or something like that and it was eggs burgers and I had it was great and then
00:50:46
the meal with James and um so back to the James and Maggie thing before I wrap up my part of this is we had a great
00:50:54
meal but it was awesome because at first I was like ah James go away mainly be just because I I had some
00:51:02
questions about the case that that maybe she could answer right right and and Maggie's really cool because she's very
00:51:08
open to just like we're friends and she listens to the show and there's times that we present a case and she's asking
00:51:16
questions uh through you know social media or whatever so I thought here's my chance to ask a couple questions
00:51:22
but it was cool to hear them talk about the behind the scenes and how the making
00:51:26
of the documentary and then like people's attitudes afterwards right so that was pretty interesting but
00:51:33
um so I meet with this girl and then I basically am choking myself to get to my car
00:51:41
and uh that I run into Tim and Lance again and I have to tell them hey I saw the
00:51:48
first part of your documentary it was awesome and they keep talking and talking and talking
00:51:56
and I'm like choking and I have all this stuff and I'm sweating really bad and but you know I'm a again it's kind of
00:52:05
like trying not to be a fan it was also like a hundred degrees that was really hot I don't know why there was like that
00:52:10
that Sunday because it had rained it was a weird mixture of it would rain for like a couple of hours and then it would
00:52:18
just be blazing hot afterwards you know and then it the cycle would continue and
00:52:24
I remember Sunday being extra extra warm that day extra extra warm oh uh so but then I head out
00:52:35
check out all that stuff I have a flat tire oh yeah I remember you telling me this
00:52:42
now now now here's all I can say so I drive this toaster right that's why I call it as a toaster and I
00:52:52
can afford a new car but I feel like this car has a little bit more life left in it and I should
00:53:01
just suck it up you're doing the responsibility this responsible thing but I keep having these situations and I
00:53:08
go out and it's like not completely flat it's like you could drive on it but it's
00:53:16
low not but flat it's not low it's FL it's flat it's concerningly low yeah so I had to drive and then fill it up with
00:53:27
air and then drive a little more and then stop and fill it up with air and I thought like the six hour six and a half
00:53:32
hour drive would do me some good because I was in the same place with you as far
00:53:36
as just like just being so stressed out about the show I mean there's so many emails and Social Media stuff and
00:53:43
everything was just kind of weighing me down and I thought oh this would be a really nice weekend to just like take a
00:53:48
break and so on one level you didn't get to take a break from crime because obviously it's a it's a crime convention
00:53:56
uh but it was rejuvenating to meet all these awesome people that listened to the show and it was like cool to like
00:54:04
meet people and they say like I got my dad listening to your show and you're like get halfway don't believe them
00:54:10
until their dad like runs around the corner and this there's this one guy that kept on going he's a piece of [ __ ]
00:54:16
oh yeah yeah he's using your line and the guy was great I don't remember his name he but he was like uh he's like you
00:54:23
got I loved it at him twice he's a piece of [ __ ] yeah babe cracked me up every
00:54:28
time he said it and um and so that was rejuvenating but I also thought that the drive would be nice to
00:54:34
put on some tunes and clear my head and just kind of you know veg out or whatever and
00:54:40
and um but with the flat tire that didn't help on the oil I was so happy to uh to get back home and like okay let's
00:54:48
just get back to work uh but uh hopefully soon we actually can take a vacation where it's actual vacation
00:54:55
there's no well I think we did it right in the sense that we went down there the
00:55:01
night before I think that's smart give you a day to get settled into the new city maybe check out something that's
00:55:09
not crime con related maybe you bump into somebody while you're out yeah maybe you tell somebody to
00:55:15
you know shut the f up because you're not Ryan Ferguson um I'm still telling you that's like the
00:55:22
greatest compliment I've had in the last two years of my life I'm I'm holding on
00:55:27
to that moment hey somebody told me once I looked that I could be Ryan Ferguson so
00:55:33
I think the only the thing that I would do differently this time around and it has nothing to do with the city it's
00:55:39
just having experienced the event itself I might even stay the night you know like if let's say it goes
00:55:47
Friday through Sunday which I imagine has always been the case so imagine that's what they're doing next year in
00:55:53
New Orleans so if the event starts early on Friday and then ends what would you say that it ended on Sunday I'm a little
00:56:01
unclear because our thing was kind of done around like early our thing was done around noon or maybe one and I left
00:56:07
after that but I think from talking with people that there were things going on until maybe 5 or 6 p.m on Sunday and I
00:56:16
think if I could do it over again I would have stayed Sunday night in Nashville as well I love Nashville I I
00:56:23
cannot tell you how much I'm looking forward to New Orleans next year yeah and and we jokingly I mean we just
00:56:30
haven't talked with the people from crime con yet but we we plan on doing that as long as they uh want to want us
00:56:36
to come back uh and the other thing I want to give a big anybody that works on the crime con team they they just did a
00:56:45
really good job of you know that this is their second one and they after the first one you know the first
00:56:53
one was great I had a lot of fun I met a lot of great people and I I remember on
00:56:58
Sunday they were asking for suggestions and saying what can we do better what did you like what did you not like and I
00:57:05
know that they stepped up their game for Crime con part two you know right so and then again on
00:57:13
Sunday people were going around saying hey this one I think was better than 2017.
00:57:19
and they were still asking for some suggestions so I I ca I can't wait till 2019 that it's going to be even better
00:57:27
well let me tell you this I want to point this out uh because one thing that we didn't give enough kudos to is crime
00:57:36
con for the presentations and events that they had I was lucky enough to be able to even with our busy schedule I
00:57:44
attended a few of them and I was very impressed with the with the presentations themselves and so it for
00:57:54
anybody that didn't make it or maybe you went you can't go to every single event
00:57:59
while you're there because there's multiple events happening all at the same time right if you Google
00:58:05
um Abby I'm sorry if you Google Delphi murders the family's speak it will bring up that video and you'll see the crime
00:58:14
con logo on the backdrop behind Abby and Libby's family and the sheriff as they talk about that particular case
00:58:21
I only I only mentioned to Google that one because after that you can also watch videos of other presentations and
00:58:29
you will see the crime con logo on the backdrops so maybe a little bit of a way to
00:58:36
to fully kind of check it out and to see what they have going on there in case you missed it this year to get you
00:58:42
ramped up for next year yeah we got a lot we got a lot of people that were talking so much [ __ ] because they were
00:58:49
going oh you guys just uh doing uh podcast row and that's all you're doing it's like
00:58:54
well we're not in charge we yeah we're not in charge for one but we did offer some
00:59:00
uh different suggestions on what you know we wanted to try to jump on that panel uh at one point I know that sword
00:59:10
and scale was invited to Crime con I know at one point with through sword and scale and through crime con we were
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gonna be on their panel but once they backed out once the sword and scale backed out then we're not on
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that panel so uh hopefully next year we do some kind of it would be fun I think to do some kind of
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event I don't know what that event would be but even if it's just to get on a panel on a case I'm crossing my fingers
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that will be invited back [Music] [Applause]