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crime [Music] I want you back it with [Music] me I want you back here with me [Music]
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I want you back with me many called it the mystery in the mountains and oh what a mystery it was
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and still is a beautiful mother of two was home alone in Saxton's River Vermont she lives in a big sprawling home with
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most of the property in full view from the road in route 121 nearby she's wellik and well known
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around town in the surrounding areas she's busying herself while waiting for her kids to come home from school her
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son and daughter are due to arrive around 400 p.m. surely they would come bouncing off the school bus and ready to
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forget the day's lessons and move on to time spent with their toys Hobbies or maybe to play in the yard with the
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family dog it was after all a beautiful day outside it was April 15th 1986 a Tuesday and
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Linda Moore was home she would have most of the day to herself and it was a much
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deserved day alone she was going to get in a little me time Linda worked part-time at a clothing store nearby
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Bellow Falls and she did the bookkeeping for her husband Steven's home modeling business Steven wasn't just staying busy
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his outfit consisted of several team members and it was quite successful there was plenty of work
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plenty of jobs and plenty of books to keep but that beautiful day would turn ugly and red with blood thankfully
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Steven was the first one home that Tuesday unfortunately word had to be sent out to
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stop the school bus that the two more children were on their father and the police wanted to intercept the bus
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remove the children and prevent them from coming home and finding what their father had found just minutes earlier
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this is true crime garage and this is the still unsolved case of Linda [Music] Moore I want you back with me
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some of the shows that our wonderful listeners love so much shows like dat line and 48 Hours shows that feature a
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lot of solved true crime stories but also some still Unsolved Mysteries and murder cases would have most certainly
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featured the case that we are taking a look at here today had this occurred more recently dat line premiered in
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1992 and 48 has been doing Gang Busters work since 1988 our story dates back to before both
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of those nighttime news magazine shows Linda Moore was killed in her home in the middle of the day on what should
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have just been another Tuesday in 1986 she lived with her husband and two kids in Saxton's River Vermont saxon's
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river is an incorporated Village in the town of Rockingham and in window County Vermont the population back in
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1986 was about 550 people but keep in mind it's a village within a town the town of Rockingham back in ' 86 was home
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to about 5,500 residents and Windham County had a population of about 39,000 people we covered the Connecticut River
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Valley serial case the best we could in just two episodes that was episodes 636 and
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637 we released those episodes back in December of last year so those are waiting there for you if you want to go
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back and turn your earballs onto those episodes The River Valley case is rather complicated these potential serial
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killer cases are complicated stories to tell typically the main reason for that is multiple victims it can be difficult
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for someone listening to keep up with the details of each each of the victims in their cases keeping them clear from
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the details of the other victims in their cases the other issue is the passage of time when we talk about
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serial killer cases or as in this case the potential that the person responsible is a serial killer
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unfortunately some of these guys are able to kill over a span of many years and in some cases even decades before
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they are discovered and apprehended for example we know Jeffrey dmer killed 17 males over the course of roughly 13
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years we also know that Dennis Raider the BTK killer first killed four members of the ottero family in
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1974 and then BTK was not apprehended until three decades later in 2005 well and here in this case with Linda Moore
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it's debatable whether this case is connected to the Connecticut River Valley serial killer cases yeah and it
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for one simple fact here captain that really truly separates this case from many of the
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others Linda Moore is killed inside of her home in Saxton River Vermont on April 15th
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1986 the other victims that are connected or believed to possibly be connected to the Connecticut River
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Valley killer were all found outside in many cases had been missing for several months for a long per period of time and
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when the bodies are finally found and discovered they are in relatively bad shape extensive decomposition has taken
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place evidence is lost due to the nature of the crime scene and where the body is
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found here with the Linda Moore case if it is in fact connected to the Connecticut River Valley killer this is
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very much different because you have a couple of things that took place here she's killed one inside in a in a more
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controlled environment where one would expect to find evidence that wouldn't be lost to the passage of
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time or the outdoors the nature of an outdoor crime scene but she's also found relatively
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quickly after the attack that took her life so detectives are looking at this case through a very different angle and
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lens that they would the other cases and keep in mind a lot of the bodies that were
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found that are believe to be victims of the river valley killer were found across the state line in New Hampshire
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here we are in Vermont with the case of 36-year-old Linda Moore I believe people
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could make a strong argument either way but but you have to put this killer in that area with that opportunity that's
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correct and on the afternoon of April 15th 1986 Linda Moore's husband found her stabbed to death in their home prior to
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being stabbed prior to the attack It is believed that Linda Moore was sunbathing
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in their yard several people were seen outside of the Moore's household including what is referred to these days
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as a mysterious dark-haired man with cheap glasses and a blue napsack although she was not left in the
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woods like the other victims Moore's body was stabbed in again what is reported as a very specific pattern that
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is found in some of the other stabbing victims in the river valley killer case profiler John philpin was brought in and
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worked with multiple law enforcement agencies in a lot of these cases and he was brought in just days after Linda
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Moore was killed initially we had a couple things going on with this case that was significantly different than
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the cases the other cases one being that they were suspicious of the husband and
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rightfully so most of the time it turns out to be the husband a lot of times it is a domestic situation and detectives
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believe that is what they were looking at with the Linda Moore case well so he is the one that found her body and often
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times the perpetrator is the one that finds the body or conveniently finds the body John philin had such a difficult
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time with the Linda Moore case that he struggled to be able to determine if this should be included or
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separate from the other cases and in fact he put together two profiles of the Killer and I believe that he did this
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based off of the idea that he couldn't sort out if this one was connected or not and I agree with that 100% in fact
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it was about 5 days after five or six days after Linda Moore was found dead that the New Hampshire State Police and
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the Attorney General in New Hampshire had discussed putting together a task force to work on all of the unsolved
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cases that were piling up in the state of New Hampshire and they invited law enforcement from Vermont to sit in they
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encouraged them to join and send officers and detectives to join this task force in the end Vermont would say
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we are going to cooperate with New Hampshire authorities we are going to work with them communicate with them and
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assist them in any manner that we can however we will not be dedicating officers to their task force right and I
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think part of that Captain was their belief that initially this Linda Moore case had nothing to do with the cases
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that were piling up the unsolved cases that were piling up in the great state of New Hampshire but do we know if these
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stabbing patterns were released to the public no so the thing that I question here is the reports that have came out
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about this air quotes specific pattern right keep in mind a couple of the victims unfortunately were
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found skeletal remains is the situation so that you're going to your only way to
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decipher what kind of stabbing pattern it would be or even if it was a bladed weapon that killed the person at all
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would be if there's certain markings on the bones because you have unfortunately no
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skin no flesh to tell you the story of the injuries right and they did find evidence that a lot of these decomposed
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bodies were the victims of a stabbing initially what I had read There were multiple reports that came out that said
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that the stabbing pattern the specific stabbing pattern was stabs to the upper ER portion of the body so up near the
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neck area including the neck area and then in almost a V pattern toward the upper abdomen however further digging I
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found other reports that seem to suggest a much different attack and my question
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here Captain is without knowing the specifics without having those Case Files those actual case files in the
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autopsy reports it's difficult to determine how many of these victims share the same
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injuries or that same pattern of injuries because further digging tells us that some of the victims it's
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believed that their throats were slashed possibly from behind and that there were
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a dozen or so stab wounds to the lower abdomen right so if you want to picture this and I bet you don't but you're
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listening to the show so you probably are hold on let me get my sandwich if you want to picture this in your mind
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the attack the way that it would go down in the first case it would very likely be a very aggressive attacker attacking
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the victim and stabbing in a downward motion to the neck and the upper portion of the body up near the shoulders and
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around the heart and lung area the other attack attack style B if you will is very different the the slashing of the
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throat the slit throats and there is evidence to suggest that the attacker was actually behind the
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victim when they slashed the throat slit the throat and then when the victim fell
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to the ground or the floor as in Linda Moore's case then stabbed the lower abdomen repeatedly before leaving the
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body well that could mean a couple things one the simple explanation is we have two
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killers if there's two types of attacks the other is it's the same killer but the attacks are happening differently
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based on the position of the victim to the attacker correct and so for those not familiar with the Connecticut River
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Valley killer let's fill in some of the blanks here before we get into Linda Moore's case the Connecticut River
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Valley killer is the name given to an unidentified serial killer believed to be responsible for a series of stabbing
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murders that took place in and around Claremont New Hampshire and the Connecticut River Valley primarily in
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the 1980s no one can seem to agree on what victims belong to this killer but some
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of the victims that some believe could be connected to the river valley killer are victims from the 70s and even the
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late 60s and as said we are going to get into the still unsolved Linda more homicide
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case that's why we are here but you can't talk about Linda Moore's case without talking about the Connecticut
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River Valley case now for the sake of moving things along I'm just going to say River Valley killer or river valley
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cases a lot of times in this week's story to be clear there is another killer out there known as the river
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valley killer who thankfully has been apprehended but this is in a different part of our country Charles Ray Vines
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was the infamous killer known as the river valley killer but that was in Arkansas so if you get online and start
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poking around on this case just know that this case is unsolved and we are not talking about Charles Vines AKA The
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River Valley killer who raped and killed two elderly women in Arkansas in the 1990s he was caught in
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2000 Vines was a rapist and killer his first victim was a legally blind woman she was 89 years old Captain she lived
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by herself he savagely beat and raped her in her home in April of 1993 thankfully she survived the attack
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but she was unable to identify the attacker two months later he attacked another woman this time killing her and
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then in 1995 a 74-year-old woman Ruth Henderson was brutally assaulted and killed in a
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crime scene that was incredibly disturbing but disturbingly similar to one of the previous murders do you think
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that the previous murder do you think that some of these killers start off with like elderly victims because they
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know that they can physically overtake them easier I don't want to get too much into the psychology of it here Captain
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but from what I found is often times when we are talking about an elderly woman who is attacked raped and murdered
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it's very weird because often times the attacker is a younger male right and I think it goes into what you're saying
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there that as as a younger male or somebody that's not committed this type of crime before and I hate to say this
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word but it's the truth they lack confidence and they are looking for a weaker prey someone that is easy
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somebody that is vulnerable to attack and we know that even once these killers get confidence and once they have killed
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before and intend to kill again they still look for vulnerable prey and weaker persons to attack but they start
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to hone in more on their preferred type of victim the one that they fantasize about right with the
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elderly women who knows what Vines was fantasizing about maybe that's what he was fantasizing about you also have
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opportunistic killers that will just attack and a kill and kill whoever is vulnerable whoever is available to them
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when they go out hunting for a victim now fortunately as said Vin was apprehended in 2000 this is because he
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was caught red-handed in the act this is when the parents of a 16-year-old girl much different victim type here they
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come home they find Charles Ray vines in the middle of stabbing their daughter and Vines was supposed to be a
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family friend this was somebody that was known to to the family and so he's arrested he's
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sentenced to three life terms without the possibility of parole he admits to the other murders that they had
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suspected him of and this to avoid the death penalty all of that information came
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from the good Folks at oxygen which did a very intriguing story on Charles Ray vines on their series
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snapped and you hope given those dates that we just went through in the location of those attacks by Vines you
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hope and pray that Charles Ray Vines was looked at in the milissa wit case who was abducted and killed in December of
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94 and Morgan Nick who was abducted in June of 1995 so let's get back to the case at hand today the Linda Moore case
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yes and as said you cannot talk about Linda Moore's case without discussing the Connecticut River Valley case and we
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said in our episodes 636 and 637 that we intended to cover Linda's case in a separate episode because again the case
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is so different from the river valley cases when you look at them as a whole Linda was a wife
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and mother of two her and her husband Steven Moore owned a somewhat well-known house on Route 121 in Saxton's River
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Vermont they lived either on or near what is referred to as tid's corner so this looks like to be a big house with a
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barn a decent Siz yard but the thing here that's going to play a key role in this investigation and in this true
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crime story is that their home is in full view of passing cars and passer buyers that
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are on Route 121 well even though this is a small town this is a busy road and so this is a house that it it would have
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been a desirable house so we all know those routes that we take those Country Roads where you go oh here comes this
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really neat Barn housee coming up it was one of those this was a like a landmark
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House of this road and people when they drove by were in the habit of kind of looking over and checking out the house
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the Moors were very fond of their home they were very house proud and given Steven's job as a home remodeling a
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person that owned his own Home Remodeling Company you can imagine the upkeep level and the maintenance level
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that's probably going on at the more house so it's a desirable home but also that you can see activity right people
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going in and out of the house maybe people in the backyard the dogs outside these are all things that drivers would
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regularly note when they passed by the house and we know this based off of the people that lived nearby people that
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lived in the surrounding areas because 121 was heavily trafficked Road a lot of people told police this but also you had
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the police the sheriff's department saying their deputies and their officers when they were out driving did the same
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thing it was just a natural thing that you did you look over and see what's going on on tid's corner and at the mo
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house again this will play a key factor into today's investigation on April 15th 1986 36
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year-old Linda Moore was home alone while her husband is at work it's a Tuesday at around 2
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p.m. this is believ to be the last time that she is seen in the yard of her home and we're going to have a lot of
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things that are a lot of moving pieces going on here so Steven Moore has several guys working for him they're
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remodeling a home that is approximately 5 to 6 miles away from the more house on
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this day his guys are supposed to be working until about 3:30 as we said earlier Linda works
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part-time but she also does some of the bookkeeping for Steven's business right so on this day step has a conversation
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with his wife via the telephone where he says one of the guys is going to be stopping by to pick up a check she says
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okay no problem they have that conversation this is before lunchtime Steven Moore leaves for what's
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reported to be about 10 minutes around lunch and he's seen going to a local store to get a sandwich and he returns
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to the work site relatively quickly gone roughly 10 minutes later that day he goes to send
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his guy one of his guys down to the dump they have a dump truck out at this property that they're working on any of
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the materials that they're discarding go in the dump truck and then they need to
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be taken to the dump driven to the dump so this guy's going to drive the dump truck that will be his last job of the
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day and then he's due to leave about 3:30 so this is all going on right around 3:00 well the guy that's driving the
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truck to the dump he needs to pay the dump for taking that load there the way this works is you go in
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and they weigh your vehicle and then you go dump your stuff in the dump and you come back and they weigh your vehicle
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again and then they charge you for the the weight so he tells his driver stop off at my house on your way there pick
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up a check from Linda I'll call her and have the check ready and this should take you to the end of
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the day he says okay no problem so at the work site Stephen Moore goes into the home that they're working on and he
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picks up and uses their land line to call his wife the phone rings and rings and rings and Rings again this is right
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around 3:00 he thinks well this is strange the kids will be home soon she should be home for when the bus arrives
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after school but the phone's ringing so she must not be home well he can't stop and pick up a check because ly is not
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there to write the check and give it to the driver of the dump truck so he very quickly Flags down his driver and says
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continue on to my house I'm leaving here in 2 minutes I'll meet you there I'll write the
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check dump truck driver leaves the work site heads toward the Moore house within
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2 minutes Steven Moore leaves the work site and the way that it's explained to me Captain is that Steven Moore had a
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bit of a Lead Foot this guy liked to get where he was going and likeed to get there
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fast so he leaves the work site again it's about 5 to six miles away from the mo home and he actually passes the dump
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truck on his way to his own home so he arrives before his worker does and he goes
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inside and he sees his wife's vehicle in the driveway and he says I was a little
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annoyed here she is at home doesn't have things going on I need something for work she's supposed to be keeping the
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books I called she didn't even answer so he goes into the home and he's a little
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annoyed but he noticed how quiet the house was as soon as he walked in the dog was outside they have a a family dog
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and the dog was outside of the home and it was typical for the dog to lay out in
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the yard her car's there dogs in the yard he sees his wife's sandals outside he also sees a portable radio outside
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it's not on but he sees it out there goes into the home notices how quiet it is he sees a package of crackers or some
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kind of snack item out on the countertop in the kitchen and he goes in and he's kind of you know we all kind of do this
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he's kind of complaining out loud you know thinking that his wife will hear him he's kind of complaining that she
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didn't pick up the phone didn't want to have to stop by the house and fill out a
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check well this is when he notices that his wife is lying face down in a doorway
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between I I probably shouldn't say doorway Captain it's probably more of an entrance way between their kitchen and
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their living room she's face down he does see a little red near her but he doesn't immediately
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understand what it is and then he goes right rushes over to his wife he thinks she just
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fell had some kind of accident yeah or fainting yes rolls her over and immediately that I mean this is pretty
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gruesome stuff here he sees the the the cuts on to the throat area and he said Not only did he see
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red but he saw white and this was on her arm and near the throat area so he's seeing not just
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the captain and I have experienced that on a couple of occasions you're also taller uh here's a weird thing Captain
00:35:11
so in this story one thing that I wanted to look up immediately is when did 911 right we have 911 you can pick up your
00:35:20
phone and call for emergency services you don't exactly need to know exactly the phone number for the police station
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or emt's Poison Control you call 911 you tell them what's happening and hopefully
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they can connect you to the appropriate channels well the internet tells me that
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1968 was the first time that uh 911 was available I'm wondering if it is available across the country that early
00:35:52
because our case is in 1986 and one problem that step Moore amongst other problems that he will have
00:36:03
is that when he arrives finds his wife he runs over to the nearest phone you know they're on the the ground level of
00:36:11
their home picks it up and he says there was a bit of a delay maybe 30 seconds maybe 45
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seconds he could not remember the phone number for the ambulance services in his
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area yeah but at this point you're freaking out you you're seeing blood you're seeing bone your wife you you
00:36:32
come in you're angry we've all been there oh I've been working my butt off I come back she's not doing nothing and
00:36:40
then you see her now you're in shock you can't remember the number for the ambulance so he ends up calling the
00:36:47
operator dial zero tell the operator what's going on the operator has to give him the number for the ambulance service
00:36:54
to which he then hangs up and calls them Okay ambulance arrives and it's believed by all involved including law
00:37:04
enforcement that the ambulance arrives on the scene within 10 to 15 minutes at the very latest of Steven Moore arriving
00:37:15
at his house and the reason why we can verify this information is remember the dump truck driver left the work site
00:37:24
before Steven Steven leads past him arrives at his home first and then the duck TR the dump truck driver arrives
00:37:33
within a minute or two behind Steven Moore right so Steven goes into the home and then he comes running out yelling at
00:37:41
his worker saying get in here I need your help my wife's been stabbed so we have his worker to tell us
00:37:50
what time approximately that they arrived and then we have the ambulance to tell us what time they arrived on the
00:37:56
scene the ambulance says that when they arrived the woman unfortunately Linda Moore was beyond help she had been dead
00:38:05
for at the the driver said she had been dead for at least an hour in his opinion now here's another funny part of
00:38:15
the story and not funny haha it's funny scratch your head but as you said Captain Stephen more likely is in panic
00:38:23
mode at this time the ambulance says are the police on their way Steven Moore has not called
00:38:31
the police and so the ambulance driver says well I'm going to have to call the police the ambulance driver sees Blood
00:38:40
on the handle on the re receiver of the phone that's nearby Linda Moore's body so he runs upstairs to the next nearest
00:38:50
phone to call the police yeah it doesn't want to disturb the evidence it's believed that the police
00:38:57
were on scene within 10 to 15 minutes after the ambulance driver called them well like you said it's it's very small
00:39:05
town the other strange thing here for step Moore is remember he was in route to his house to write a check for the
00:39:13
driver to go to the dump he then goes upstairs and gets his checkbook and writes the check for his
00:39:22
driver to continue on his way of course everybody found this to be incredibly weird yeah it's a little fishy kind of
00:39:31
fish stick fishy maybe not so much halant fishy police arrive on the scene and now we
00:39:39
have the father Steven Moore the husband stepen Moore who's telling police my kids their school bus is going to pull
00:39:48
up any minute now they typically arrive before 4: yeah nobody wants them walking into
00:39:55
this scene for a million reasons well let's stop there for a second because do you find
00:40:01
it odd that he wrote the check because you have this dump truck you have this employee you have to get them out of
00:40:09
there I don't find it that strange I think the police found it very odd I'm sure maybe even the dump truck driver
00:40:16
found it odd I'm with you though there are some the dump truck driver find it odd he he can't
00:40:22
leave until he gets paid right well he's he not being paid the the the dump needs
00:40:28
to be paid for for taking the load there but I mean the dump truck could go there in
00:40:35
the morning or two days from now like not you don't have to continue doing right everything that you normally would
00:40:42
do when you find your wife stabbed to death on the kitchen floor right so I for those reasons yes that's why
00:40:49
everybody would find it odd but also the dump truck driver basically establishes
00:40:55
his Alibi because he was with him at the work scene and then they had to drive from the work scene over to their house
00:41:01
so that would be his Alibi so you'd think that he would want him to stick around and talk to the police officers
00:41:07
to establish his Alibi the reason why I can agree with you is we've seen some people and i' I I've experienced this
00:41:15
personally where some people they don't they just don't know what to do and the way that they are wired tells them to
00:41:22
just keep on keeping on keep moving yeah right like oh like e it's almost like a
00:41:29
default reaction right I I can't process what's happened and so my default is oh I was
00:41:37
doing this action I'll just do this action yeah it's busy work so that's what I think happened now rightfully so
00:41:45
he and the police are worried about the kids arriving they actually sent out a couple Cruisers to try to track down the
00:41:51
bus to stop them from arriving on scene they did stop a bus it turned out to be the wrong one uh so the kids do arrive
00:42:00
at the house from my understanding by this point several people have been notified as to what what happened uh
00:42:07
Steven Moore immediately called a few people while the police were trying to track down the bus uh the people he
00:42:14
called was his attorney and his I can't remember Captain if it was his parents or his in-laws but the
00:42:25
parents were called and thankfully so because when the kids arrive Steven Moore is out front and he has to tell
00:42:33
his children what he has found he has to tell them that their mother has been murdered and thankfully either his
00:42:40
parents or Linda Moore's parents were there to take the children and remove them from the Moore home they never
00:42:49
stepped foot inside the home okay but let me stop you there another Captain question for you ding ding ding do you
00:42:57
find it odd that he called his lawyer yes and here's the thing with this case what it reminds me a lot of is
00:43:06
the actions of a one John Ramsay let's say right where you have all these actions by somebody that's very close to
00:43:16
the victim that's found inside the home uhhuh and you can look at it from different angles and have a different
00:43:26
opinion on the person so like in John Ramsay's case we have all of these things that he did and
00:43:33
some people oh this is weird this is not how you're supposed to behave and then others that say no this movement this
00:43:40
action is pretty logical in this situation and here's why now the police were it was not lost on them that oh one
00:43:48
of the first calls you make if not the first call was to your attorney so they grilled him about this
00:43:55
and what they found out was that in the end the attorney that he called was his business attorney SL best friend okay so
00:44:06
this is a longtime friend and this is not somebody that you would hire to defend you in a murder investigation
00:44:15
right so he's not calling his best friend to get legal advice he's calling his best friend cuz he's
00:44:22
going well look he has to figure out what he's going to do with his children he's calling to get friend advice not
00:44:28
legal advice right so that's one of those things that on the surface it looks rather suspicious and then you do
00:44:36
a little digging and then you go okay not not really suspicious at all right what's interesting is we hear a
00:44:44
lot of times in the river valley cases that no suspects were ever named publicly and that's true never named
00:44:54
publicly by the police the media and locals certainly named some suspects and we hear the same thing for the Linda
00:45:02
Moore case as well no suspects ever named publicly but what we do have beneath the surface is the lead
00:45:10
detective told Stephen Moore look buddy you understand you are our Prime Suspect here in this case
00:45:20
you're behaving strangely your movements your actions seem odd you seem disconnected from the situation you have
00:45:26
a check written uh we're asking you questions about your wife and you are giving us
00:45:33
emotionless answers and he says you got to understand Stephen 90% of the time this
00:45:40
is a domestic situation 90% of these cases the husband is involved yeah the husband did it and he also told Steven
00:45:50
Moore something that I found very interesting given that Steven Moore was the one that found his his wife and
00:45:57
given the timeline that Steven Moore is able to provide to detectives he tells Stephen Moore look
00:46:05
you're in a strange catch22 situation because you are the prime suspect but you also are our best
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