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the Long Island serial killer this killer has a type 10 bodies were found near a remote beach
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[Music] we were dealing with a serial killer all four killed by one killer the Long Island serial killer
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in January of 2020 the Suffolk County New York police and the new police commissioner Geraldine Hart launched the
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website gilgunews.com as a platform for background information and updates on the still unsolved Long Island serial
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killer case the following is a general timeline posted on gilgonnews.com during the early morning hours of May
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1st 2010 Shannon Gilbert a Craigslist sex worker traveled with her driver Michael Pack
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from Manhattan to meet a client Joseph Brewer at his home in the oak Beach Association Gilbert's driver remained in
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his car while she met with the client at some point during the meeting Gilbert reportedly began acting irrational
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prompting her client to contact the driver and have Gilbert leave his home after refusing to leave the location at
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the request of her client Gilbert eventually fled on foot into the oak Beach Community
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Gilbert knocked on several doors and interacted with two homeowners within the community before disappearing both
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Brewer and pack cooperated with police and have been interviewed and fully investigated
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on December 11 2010 eight months after the search for Gilbert began a Suffolk County Police Department canine unit
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continued the search for Gilbert near her last known whereabouts instead of finding Gilbert however they uncovered
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human remains that were later identified as 24 year old Melissa Bartholomew two days after the discovery of Bartholomew
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three additional victims were located along Ocean Parkway The Remains later identified as Marine
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Bernard Barnes age 25 Amber Lynn Costello 27 and Megan Waterman age 22. all worked as Craigslist escorts and
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were last seen between July 2007 and September 2010. the investigation into Shannon Gilbert's
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disappearance continued several months later the remains of another woman who worked as an escort were discovered
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several miles east of where the Gilgo Beach four were found this set of partial skeleton remains
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Unearthed on March 29 2011 known as Jane Doe number five the investigation matched the remains of
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Jane Doe number five to identified partial remains of Jessica Taylor previously discovered in Manorville on
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July 26 2003 she also worked as an escort this is the first connection between the
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Gilgo homicides and Manorville following this connection between Gilgo Beach and Manorville the investigation
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expanded again on April 4 2011 three more sets of remains were found on Ocean Parkway in
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Suffolk County one set was that of a female toddler another was a yet to be identified Asian
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male the third was initially referred to as Jane Doe number six a week later the investigation uncovered
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two additional sets of remains along Ocean Parkway in Nassau County one set through DNA analysis
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was confirmed to be the mother of the female toddler the mother's partial remains were first
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discovered in Hempstead Lake State Park in 1997. she's become known as Peaches due to a tattoo of a peach on her body
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the other set discovered in Nassau County was genetically matched with remains discovered in 1996 and Davis
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Park on Fire Island significantly expanding the timeline and Geographic reach of the Gilgo Beach
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homicide investigation originally known as Manorville Jane Doe Jane Doe number six found on April 4
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2011 was confirmed by the Suffolk County Police Department's homicide unit to match with remains discovered in
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Manorville on November 19 2000 recreational hunters came across these remains a white female with brown hair
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located off a Halsey Manor Road in a wooded area the investigation determined that these
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remains have been in this location since the end of 2000. most significantly in May of 2020 Jane
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Doe number six was identified as Valerie Mack Max remains were identified with the
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assistance of the FBI using Advanced forensic DNA technology Valerie Mack disappeared at the age of
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24 while living in Philadelphia worked as an escort but is confirmed to have worked in Philadelphia not New York
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Mack also used the Alias Melissa Taylor Mac's family members provided additional
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DNA samples and confirmed that they last Saw Mack in the spring and summer of 2000 and Port Republic in New Jersey
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while she was not reported missing this information aligned with the previous determination the max remains were
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dumped in Manorville in 2000. in early December 2011. Suffolk County Police found Shannon Gilbert's purse and
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mobile phone and Oak Beach marshlands two days later a quarter mile east of her belongings Gilbert's remains were
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located in 2020 former Suffolk County Police Commissioner Geraldine Hart released
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previously undisclosed evidence to the public in an effort to advance the investigation
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police released photos of a belt believed to be handled by the suspect not belonging to any of the victims
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found on the Belt where what investigators believe to be someone's initials stamped on one side
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these letters are wh or HM in 2022 current Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney K Harrison
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established a multi-agency task force that includes the FBI New York State Police Suffolk County District
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Attorney's office and the Suffolk County Sheriff's Office to reinvigorate the investigation and bring the person or
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persons responsible for these crimes to Justice anyone with information should contact
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one of these agencies or please call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-220-tips tips this massive investigation for a
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predator or Predators now known as The Long Island serial killer all started with one phone call
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Shannon Gilbert calling 9-1-1 in May of 2010 led to the discovery of multiple females one male and a toddler who were
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robbed of their lives between 1996 and 2010. Shannon Gilbert's 9-1-1 call led to one
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of the most consequential homicide investigations in the history of Long Island and now 12 years later we are right back
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here where it all started with the newly released Shannon Gilbert 911 this is true crime garage
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the Long Island serial killer this killer has a type 10 bodies were found near a remote beach
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[Music] foreign [Music] all four killed by one killer the Long Island serial killer
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well here we sit 12 years later when we started this gig back in 2015 this was the first case that we covered in more
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than one episode and we stuck with it we stuck with the Long Island serial killer
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investigation and covered the story as much as we could in fact we did back-to-back episodes 4 and 5 in 2015.
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episode 20 in 2016 and then we had our good friend Josh Zieman on the show in episode 61 to cover the Killing Season
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his documentary that covered a portion of the Long Island serial killer case and then in episode 74 we gave you
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another update a Lisk update as we titled it which of course Lisk standing for Long Island serial killer so we
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started this journey in 2015 and on the Big Show here in the garage 2017 was the last time that we have
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taken a look at this case we've Revisited the case from time to time with any new evidence or new information
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that has came out on our other show off the Record and here we are all of these years later sticking with it because
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finally it was called for when Shannon Gilbert went missing it was called for when the bodies were being recovered
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when the remains were being found in the Gilgo Beach area it was called for again
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when Robert coker's book The Lost Girls came out and it was called for again when the Gilbert family disputed the
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medical examiner's findings saying that her death was not a homicide after her body was finally recovered and now it's
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finally released the Shannon Gilbert 9-1-1 call yes Colonel almost seems ridiculous that it took so long to be
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released so let's not take much longer to dive into our breakdown of this call now we've been teased with this
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information that the 9-1-1 call would be coming out for years now and there were several different times
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that the captain and I were convinced hey this call is finally going to be released it's going to happen next week
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or later this week and then it never came about there was always somebody somewhere along the line that was
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shutting it down from getting out to the public but now it's finally here and what we have is we have the Suffolk
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County Sheriff's Office who is telling us that this is the information we we are now ready to
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release this 911 call to you the public we believe that it is important for you to hear it and we encourage you to
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listen to it in its entirety there is some difficult audio along the way so what they have provided us with is they
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had their task force and an audio and visual expert team get together and put together some legit information and
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offer transcripts for the voices and for the words that are being spoken in the recording all of this is available on
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thegilgonews.com website again that's the informational website that was put together to offer concrete factual
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information in the Long Island serial killer investigation the ongoing investigation now for those of you who
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are new to our show or maybe new to True Crime and are unaware of this case that's understandable because this was
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big time Time News 12 years ago 2010 this was huge news you couldn't if you were looking or reading True Crime this
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case was all over the place especially on the internet and as we said we covered it several times here in the
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garage you're welcome to go back and listen to those episodes as well as the trailer for today which
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gives a nice complete background a shortened version of the information that's necessary to be aware of here in
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this case and so important to point out if Shannon didn't make this 9-1-1 call if her family didn't push law
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enforcement to look for her we may never have found these other victims that's exactly right Captain so a little
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background information Shannon Gilbert was a woman who mysteriously disappeared her disappearance led to the discovery
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of 10 other bodies alongside Ocean Parkway it's unclear if her death is connected to these other cases but as
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you said we don't start finding these remains unless they are out looking for Shannon Gilbert over the years we have
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had Mary Gilbert Shannon's mother who filed a lawsuit against Suffolk County Police Department seeking the release of
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these recordings and transcripts the police claimed releasing it may jeopardize the ongoing investigation but
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now here we sit in 2022 they are in fact releasing them and have said that they now believe that this information will
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not impede their investigation also what we are told by the current Police Commissioner Ronnie K Harrison is that
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what we will be hearing is Shannon Gilbert's 9-1-1 call as well as two other calls and straight from their
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website and for the website on information in this case gilgonnews.com where you can find those recordings
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it states that we're going to hear two other calls that were placed by residents of Oak beach now you won't
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have to go to that website because we are going to play those calls for you today as well as offer some analysis as
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to what we believe that we are hearing or insights and as it may work into the Long Island serial killer investigation
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well let's start this off with the intro that law enforcement gives to the 9-1-1
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call I'm detective Lieutenant Kevin byrer the commanding officer of the Suffolk County Police Homicide section
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this video was made to explain the circumstances surrounding the three 9-1-1 calls made on the day Shannon
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Gilbert went missing full unedited 911 calls are available and I encourage people to listen to them
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in their entirety portions of the call taken out of context will sound sensational
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during the early morning hours of May 1st 2010 Shannon Gilbert a Craigslist sex worker and resident of Jersey City
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New Jersey traveled from Manhattan to meet a client Joseph Brewer at his home at eight the Fairway Oak Beach New York
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Shannon was driven to Oak Beach from Manhattan by her driver Michael Pack neither one was familiar with the area
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neither one had been there before and neither one had met Brewer before pack waited in the car while Shannon was
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inside with Brewer pack was her de facto security at 4 51 am while at Brewer's house
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Shannon called 9-1-1 this call lasts for more than 21 minutes at times Shannon is speaking calmly but
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slurring her words at times she is not responsive and at times she is screaming during this call Brewer and Packer heard
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trying to get Shannon to leave the house Shannon eventually does leave the house
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and runs the Gus coletti's house located at 17 the Fairway which causes him to call 9-1-1 at 5 22 am
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this is the start of the Channing Gilbert 911 call number line help hello you dialed in to the 9-1-1 system how
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can I assist you wow hello do you need the police where who's there with you hello
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what's going on what happened somebody is harassing you absolutely these Trace area
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let me talk to him let me talk to him I'm like the Jones Beach you're at Jones Beach
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all right let me connect you to State Police stay on the line okay so we don't hear Shannon Gilbert
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screaming bloody murder obviously at this point in the 9-1-1 call she's calling in she sounds a little
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incoherent to me a little out of it and she's saying in slurred speech and again
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I can only give my opinion as to what I what my ears are telling me that I'm hearing
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but I'm hearing slurred speech of someone's after me and it's clear that it's not clear to
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the operator because the operator continues to ask her what are you saying she's asking for clarification now of
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course we now know what the emergency is we have a woman that's afraid she believes that there's someone after her
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and the 911 operator wants to establish where Shannon is where is she located so
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that we can send help to her and unfortunately Shannon is not really clear about where she is she knows that
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she's on Long Island she's not certain of the county but she's asking the operator if you can trace this call if
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you can trace my location we hear a male voice in the background to which the operator is now saying let
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me speak with him I want to talk to that guy that I'm hearing keep in mind Shannon Gilbert at this point we know
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that it's in the four o'clock hour early in the morning so they've been up all night partying by this point she was
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driven there by her driver Michael Pack late the night before we're now at the 4
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a.m hour she's calling 9-1-1 and she's still at Joseph Brewer's home during the early part of this call right and so
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that is Joseph Brewer according to the Suffolk County Police Department that is Joseph Brewer that we are hearing in the
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background yeah possibly Joseph Brewer possibly another male there could be multiple males in the background it's so
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hard to hear what the background noise is and I don't know if she's technically slurring her words or if she is just
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mumbling because I kind of Wonder the stuff she's asking for when she's saying hey
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somebody's after me and can you trace my call these are things that maybe you wouldn't want the the males in the room
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to hear that you're calling 9-1-1 I do like the fact that 9-1-1 operator is like hey let me talk to him I'm going to
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talk to this individual that's after you yeah she's trying to assess the situation and she's not able to get much
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information or any useful information from Shannon who called 9-1-1 once she figures out that she's in a different
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location this is where she transfers Shannon's call foreign why okay please tripify
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[Applause] hey police yeah somebody asking me I'm sorry where are you there's somebody after me okay where are
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you where are you ma'am I don't know if you're driving right now I'm sorry I'm inside the house what
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house I don't know can you show me where I am I'm sorry I am no I can't what's your callback number you're calling from
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huh what phone number are you calling from Philadelphia are you in Suffolk County or Nassau
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County where on Long Island are you it takes Shannon a little bit of time to reply to the 911 operator once she is
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transferred but she is clearly talking more clearly now but what I don't understand is when she starts asking her
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other questions other than what's wrong she keeps repeating herself somebody's after me yeah again she's not offering
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very good information and so the operator the 911 operator has transferred her to the state police
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because off of very little information the operator believes that this is a police matter that that the caller is
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not requesting the fire department or EMTs that this is a police matter so now she's going to transfer to the state
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police who still are trying to figure out where the caller is in the state of New York
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right so it's it's a large state they're going to try to figure out where she is
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so that we can really hone in on her location and get the proper authorities to her exact location to interview her
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on the scene to take a police report at this home again she's also asking can you trace my call because I don't know
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where I'm at but the the term somebody is after me that is I'm in danger is basically what she's saying in my mind
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yes she believes that she is in danger according to those words yeah so she's not completely responsive to the 9-1-1
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operator but she is talking more clearly there's definitely something wrong with her but
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there's definitely something wrong with this situation because she doesn't feel safe in this situation and we don't know
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how many men are at this house and who is there that is making her feel uncomfortable I mean uncomfortable
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enough to call 9-1-1 thank you [Music] foreign [Music] we are back cheers everybody cheers to
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kernel you read that very well all right let's get back into this Shannon Gilbert
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911 call um no no stop no where in Long Island are you in Suffolk County Nassau County
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huh all right are you calling me by my name okay so what you're hearing here and again
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the background noise is inaudible it's very difficult to tell who is speaking and what they are saying
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but it's interesting to know what's going on in the background right because we are sitting here trying to figure out
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what Shannon is experiencing and why she feels that her life is in danger why she
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feels like somebody is after her and who might be these people that she's with now we know that she's at Joseph
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Brewer's home and again according to the Suffolk County Police Department the male voice that you are hearing in the
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background at this last clip that we've just covered is Joseph Brewer and according to their transcript what he is
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saying is yeah he wants to talk to you the guy wants to talk to you Shannon Gilbert says no and So based off of this
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transcription I would believe or at least believe that the Suffolk County Police
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Department believed that Joseph Brewer is speaking directly to Shannon at this point what's interesting to me though is
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that he says yeah he wants to talk to you the guy wants to talk to you I'm a little I'm not liking that sentence
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there here Captain because he's supposed to be hosting a party from what we've been told it's a small gathering of men
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and then they've hired Shannon to come in and entertain during the course of that night I don't like when I hear
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somebody saying the guy wants to talk to you he should know everybody's name that's in his home and I believe that
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maybe he's purposely not saying this man's name or he does not know the man's name which either way
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I don't like it I think either way it's it's suspicious Behavior I agree and I think it points to the the person that
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is after her now on the flip side of the pendulum I'd say maybe he's saying the guy wants to
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talk to you and he's referring to Michael Pack her driver that's that's a great analysis because he likely does
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not know Michael Pack's name right and he probably doesn't know what title to give the guy you know your driver your
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security your pimp I mean he probably does not know what to call the guy so maybe he is
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referring to Michael Pack here but the reaction from Shannon is that whoever it is that Joseph Brewer is telling her to
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speak with she keeps saying no no she clearly does not want to speak with whoever Joseph Brewer is telling her to
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talk to but interesting enough it doesn't seem like she's afraid of Brewer himself there's no screaming there I
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don't hear any like Terror in her voice again she's in a state that I don't know
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that that we're going to be able to decipher a lot based off of her the her voice and her tone
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but clearly she's feels afraid enough to call 9-1-1 at this point but the other confusing thing too and this might have
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to do with her her mental state at this point or her physical state or both she keeps saying something like why is
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he saying my name or you know and I thought maybe that had to do with some time sometimes if you're you're an
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escort or or exotic dancer you may have a stage name or a name that is used during the course of your business but
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it sounds to me like she is being called Shannon but is also a little confused as
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to why anybody would be calling her that yeah maybe this guy figured out her real
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name and she doesn't want him using her real name one of my biggest issues with this case though is like you said her
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State of Mind what was she doing that day what were what kind of drugs were being taken at
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this party but also was she aware of whatever drugs somebody gave her well and keep in mind
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too that by this point we've been given a timeline from law enforcement years ago and from people that are closer to
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this case what we've been told was that at some point in the course of the night
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they left and went to a CVS to pick up a couple items at a CVS and it's believed
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that a possible drug deal took place during the course of either to and from CVS or at the CVS so as you pointed out
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there are not there are Narcotics at this party it wouldn't be out of question or out of the realm of
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possibility that that Shannon brought with her some narcotics that evening and at the very least we may not know
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exactly what she knows or what kind of substances are available or that they are doing that night but I would believe
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that if she was along for that ride to the CVS which we have been told in the past that she was that she witnessed
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whatever was that was picked up there's also been some thought and speculation over the years that maybe this this
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pickup was at her request yeah a lot of unknowns but I go back to the story and it's a famous story of George Harrison
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and John Lennon they ate dinner with a dentist and he put LST into their tea or coffee
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and so these two individuals are now high on LSD and have no clue that they were drugged by this dentist
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whatever happened to them that day if something bad would have happened to them the onus would be on that dentist
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and so I I really question what was fed to her in drinks whether it was a roofie or it was
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adding uh pills or or something some kind of cocktail to whatever she had stop it please
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please stop [Music] cheers no please please good luck please why yeah why County are you online
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why why are you guys doing this to me what county are you in ma'am doing this why you call me by my name
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again I have a lot of frustration about this call because I want to scream to Shannon why aren't
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you interacting with the 911 operator I also want to scream to her why are you not leaving
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because you hear two male voices in the background at this point before we just had the one which we were being told it
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was Joseph Brewer now we have Michael Pack so you might be right there Captain with the the guy wants to talk to you
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Joseph Brewer may have been referring to Michael Pack at this point we have Michael Pack who is he's come into the
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home or at least the door is open and he is interacting with Shannon Gilbert and
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he says simply you okay you know checking in on her right and he's like hey let's go and Joseph Brewer is is
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actively trying to get Shannon Gilbert to leave he doesn't seem to be bothered that
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she's on the phone with somebody maybe he doesn't know that she's on the phone as you said earlier it's difficult to
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tell if this phone is up to her ear and mouth so that she could talk to the emergency services or if she's got it
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held away from her her face at this point because it sometimes she sounds like she's very distant from the phone
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but what we have here and I'm kind of picturing this as we we go through it we have Michael Pack who's trying to get
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Shannon to leave we have Joseph Brewer who's trying to get Shannon to leave right and we've all been in this
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situation and not this exact situation but we've been in situations like this and it's very annoying when you're with
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a an inebriated friend that you're trying to get them to go home or trying to get them to do something and at some
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point you resort to baby steps of well if we can just get he or she to do this one thing maybe it'll have a domino
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effect and we can get the end result that we want the end result that that sounds clear to me me is that Michael
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Pack wants her to go home and Joseph Brewer wants Shannon Gilbert to go home and so at some point you have Joseph
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Brewer going hey let's go outside I'll show you something all three of us are going to go outside meaning him Michael
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Pack and Shannon Gilbert let's just go outside and we'll talk about it out there almost like hey let's get the baby
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steps going here let's at least get her out of the house and maybe if we get her
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out of the house we can convince her to get into Michael Pax suburban and then they can return to Manhattan or wherever
00:37:19
it is that Joseph Brewer believed that they came from yeah and just based off this part of the call it's hard to
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believe that there's something really nefarious going on between pack and Brewer because they don't seem to be
00:37:35
at all concerned with hey get off the phone no they don't so it doesn't matter who she's calling she she could be
00:37:43
talking to her mother she could talk be talking to law enforcement it doesn't really matter who she's calling we don't
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have a concern with that I think you'd have a way bigger concern with who she's talking to what information she's trying
00:37:58
to give out if there was something very nefarious going on at least between those two individuals the thing that's
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shocking to me though Captain is that it appears that Shannon does not want to have
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anything to do with Michael Pack she's not leaving with him she doesn't seem to want to talk to him maybe it's unclear
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to her who Joseph Brewer is referring to when he said the guy wants to talk to you yeah but now that he's in front of
00:38:24
your face yeah she doesn't she's not cooperating with Michael Pack who should be
00:38:29
her friend in all of this right whatever label you want to give him we know that
00:38:34
he was the driver for her that night it's been stated that he was her driver on previous occasions and also
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technically his job is also not just to transport her but to protect her yeah add some element of security but for her
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there's some problems with some of this stuff is if I was in her situation I want to go into this house by myself
00:39:01
why didn't pack go in the house with her did something happen during this party maybe it wasn't by Brewer maybe it was
00:39:09
by somebody else what if some sicko whispered something into her ear oh when I get you alone I'm gonna kill you or
00:39:16
something or somebody was too aggressive with her and now she's mad at pack because you put me in this situation
00:39:24
you're supposed to help protect me that's part of your job right but we it would be silly for us to try to figure
00:39:31
out the business Arrangements between Shannon and Michael Pack but it would also be extremely odd for Michael Pack
00:39:40
to enter the premises with Shannon because the client is immediately going to say I paid for you to be here not for
00:39:47
him to be here and he can provide that security on the outside as silly as it sounds
00:39:54
that's typically how these things go down well I disagree with you I I don't know much about this profession I do
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know that I've been to two Bachelor parties at somebody's house where they hired a stripper they came in with
00:40:11
security security stayed within the whole time both of my buddies got too drunk started getting handsy with the
00:40:18
strippers the security told them to stop they wouldn't stop so they left and they
00:40:23
still had to pay full price but whatever has happened at this point again she's not in any rush to leave with Michael
00:40:29
Pack who is supposed to be her Lifeline whether he's outside or inside the home yeah and then that makes you wonder if
00:40:35
there was some kind of argument or disagreement with them but it seems pretty clear on the transcript that pack
00:40:41
is asking or hey are you okay and she's just not even being responsive towards that but it definitely seems
00:40:50
like there is now becoming a escalation in this situation no stop it please please stop please
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[Applause] [Applause] foreign [Applause] [Music] why huh well I don't know but it was canceled to
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me so you hear things are ramping up here rather quickly by this point and again
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we still have the two male voices in the background Joseph Brewer and Michael Pack at one point Brewer is saying to
00:42:30
Shannon well actually he's saying this to Michael Pack saying hey you Taker and I'm gonna go upstairs keep
00:42:38
in mind this is 4 a.m in the morning at this point he's probably telling the driver like this is kind of your problem
00:42:44
now buddy I've called you to retrieve her right and you're here I don't know why she doesn't want to leave with you
00:42:51
but I'm going upstairs meaning I'm going to bed and you can handle this take her
00:42:57
out of here and get her home then we have Michael Pack who's interacting with Shannon that's when Shannon starts
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saying why what are you going to kill me and and Michael Pack even says no at some point so we know that that question
00:43:12
or at least Michael Pack believed that question was directed to him because he offers a response she says you know I'm
00:43:19
not going outside they want her to go outside they want her to leave and she's pushing back on that saying I'm not
00:43:26
going outside where are we we're out in the middle of nowhere and Michael Pack is actually trying to explain to her as
00:43:33
best he can or as best as he knows where they are right it's such a confusing situation you wonder what happened at
00:43:43
the party did she get paid is she not leaving because she didn't get paid it seems to
00:43:50
me that she's not leaving because she's afraid that once she leaves this location that something bad is
00:43:57
going to happen to her the thing is here Captain it sounds to me if I'm basing off my opinion off of what I've just
00:44:05
heard the short snippet that I've just heard it sounds to me like she's afraid or suspicious of going with Michael Pack
00:44:11
she comes to the party with pack pack and her work as a team that's her safety net she goes to this
00:44:19
party something happens at the party and now she's afraid to leave the safety should be with pack the
00:44:26
safety should be with leaving the party getting away from whoever it's the opposite of what you
00:44:33
think that she would be thinking but it's not every day you hear on a 9-1-1 call hey they're after me or they're
00:44:42
plotting to kill me or are you going to kill me something's not right there and on top of that oh we know what happens
00:44:49
she ends up dead the Long Island serial killer this killer has a type bodies were found near a remote beach
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[Music] we were dealing with a serial killer all four killed by one killer [Music]
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