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girl who was abducted raped and murdered she was last seen on October 29th 1981 after being dropped off in front of a
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store to join some of her friends after the discovery of her body she was later buried at Maple Mound Cemetery in 1982
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Ernest holber junor and Herman Ray Rucker were convicted of both the rape and murder of Tina Harmon all right but
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just like the great Lee Corso would say captain not so fast mhm that's right because after the trials two of the four
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Witnesses who helped to send both of these guys to get convictions life sentences in prison recanted their
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testimony which ones all right so two of the four and that does not really even begin to tell us about the trouble with
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one of the remaining Witnesses who still stands by their testimony against Rucker
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so I I want to go through this one witness that's going to stand by her statements first and then we'll we'll
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tell you which two dropped out remember Susan Sigler she is the one that said hey
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Rucker confessed to me that the two of them killed this girl after she refused their sexual advances or or Rucker
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sexual advances right he even showed me a picture of Tina Harmon and this took Place according to Susan Sigler on
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October 30th the day after Tina Harmon went missing now at Rucker's trial 10 people 10 people testified that Sigler
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is a liar and that her testimony is not credible right three Witnesses called Sigler a Storyteller eager for
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attention this was the testimony of two former husbands and her aunt so I get it
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maybe we got some angry old ex-husbands that are like yeah she's a liar don't believe her but we have her aunt as well
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a family member saying she's a Storyteller eager for attention we also have three West Salem police officers
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who testified that Sigler had a reputation for not telling the truth police officers police officers 10
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people in total said the woman is a liar right but like we said in yesterday's episode you throw out her look if I'm on
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the jury okay she's a liar so now I don't buy her story maybe I don't buy the other eyewitness's Story the only
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story I have to buy is when mayard says these guys drove me to Tina's dead body and showed me the dead body if I believe
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that with no physical evidence they're guilty you throw him in jail and throw away the key but a portion of his
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witness statement is the same as Susan sigler's right so I get what you're saying yes Maynard's testimony is
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certainly the most damning of the four but if you're going to believe mayard then you have to believe at least some
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of what sigler's saying or all of it now I did want to read some of the testimony
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given at the trial and again this is from the 10 different people's perspectives these are the 10 people
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that say you cannot believe this witness this this Susan Sigler who seems to be at the center of of these allegations
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against both of these men yeah they're saying she's a lying [ __ ] balloon well that sums it up nicely but I do want to
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go through this so uh number one what is your opinion of Susan Sigler this comes
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from Ivan grubs says quote she won't tell the truth this is all on the stand in front of the jury mind you number two
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what is Mrs sigler's reputation for telling the truth this comes from the testimony of James Fitz Simmons quote
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not too good number three what is Mrs sigler's reputation this comes from Earl Conway
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quote doesn't tell the truth I would not believe her under oath I would not believe her under anything she has lied
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about me she has accused me of being involved in this case with Tina Harmon that if you hear that on the stand yeah
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like this woman that's accusing these other two guys she's also accused me of being involved and look the state's not
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putting together a case against me number four this comes from Andy Tam beron said quote I don't like her very
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much never did she lies number five from Mary Canfield quote everybody knows her she never
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tells the truth end quote this is also the same stuff that they're going to say at her
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eulogy uh no but going back to yesterday again you know I I called these guys uh
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goat turds or something like that when have you ever seen a lineup shot or their mug shot
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when have you ever seen a lineup shot or a mug shot or two individuals that are at trial but they look
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disheveled when when do they not look guilty right right that's never I mean it's just like if you look at like Damen
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Eckles and West Memphis 3 and it's like I mean you can't polish that turd you know he looks disheveled and then you
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put a tie on him he looks even more disheveled and so you go oh okay I can see how that individual would be guilty
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well and a lot of that comes from the preliminary or the the arraignment process process where you see okay this
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guy was arrested yesterday and now first thing in the morning the next day we bring him in front of the judge to
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explain you have to you have to tell them what you're charging them with why why you are holding them right and what
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they're going to be charged with they look disheveled because they spent the whole night in jail this was their first
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night in jail and they're usually wearing an orange or red jumpsuit and that's why with
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right when it comes time for their actual trial all right let's let these guys shave get a haircut let them put on
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a suit if they want to wear a suit because if you marched every person out for their trial looking like that I
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think you get a conviction 99% of the time well and what I'm saying is if you look at these Court hearings these guys
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are not dressed up in Blazers they didn't cut their hair I mean you'll see that from time to time where the defense
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is going hey we got to clean you up and it doesn't seem like they did that in this case but that's also why uh you
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have individuals like Scott Peterson that you know are kind of they seem more put together and people see images of
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that and go well that guy doesn't look like what we think a murder would look like right or a crazy person and and the
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person would have to be crazy in order to do this horrible crime well and I think we should point out in contrast to
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Scott Peterson someone who went to college played golf all the time I mean just those two things start to give you
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a little perspective of the person or at least of what he may appear to look like
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um these guys mind you this is more than 20 years earlier than than Scott Peterson these guys lived in small town
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Ohio they were Farm hands they so they look like people that you would see working on the farm
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somewhere and their their version of my Sunday's best is not the same as Scott Peterson who wants to be on every
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expensive golf course in in California right now remember this is something that I know that our garage friends our
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good garage listeners they are super intelligent and they are very much dialed in so I know they picked up on
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this at the end of yesterday's episode well they did a national poll by the way and uh it's
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true that true crime garage listeners are the smartest of all True Crime podcast listeners right so I know they
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picked up on this but for the first time listeners I want to make sure that I point this out remember Susan Sigler the
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woman that's not to be believed 10 people testify don't believe her she's a liar and liar liar pants on fire she
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testified that Rucker told her at her residence okay at the place where she's living on October 30th that he had
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killed a little girl showed her a picture of the girl and a showed her a necklace that he took off of the
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victim remember Curtis Maynard backed up her testimony well first of all we have the
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coroner's office who conducted the autopsy and according to their finding ings Tina was still alive at that time
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right their report was that she was killed between 24 and 36 hours before her body was found at 9:00 a.m. on
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November 2nd Story makes no sense correct so you it it just scientifically does not work now let's add to that
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Susan sigler's landlord testified that Susan did not move into that location where she says Rucker confessed to her
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until the first week or so of November wow so scientifically it doesn't match up and to the location cannot be correct
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because she was not residing there at that time then we have Ruth Courtright who stated that Rucker and Holbrook were
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at her house on the night of October 30th right so they couldn't be there to confess right because they were with
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Ruth Courtright and she went on to say that Tina Harmon was not at my house on October 30th right and they also have
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aliis let's remember they have aliis for around the time that the coroner thinks
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Tina was murdered yeah so we're going to extend that out a little bit it doesn't
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it doesn't in detail cover that exact 24 to 36-h hour window but it but it kind of does I I'll I'll
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read to you what we have okay so we have Ruth Courtright who says that she that Rucker and Holbrook were at her home on
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the 30th not at sigler's home she goes on to say that for the most part Rucker was either at work or at home with her
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from October 1st until November 9th that he went to work during the day he came home and he was home at night right now
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this does not certainly does not account for every minute of every day but what P
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what picture this paints is that the window of time he would have to abduct murder and rape and dispose of a
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body and also starting to get very small right and he also has to have her put somewhere in between that time period
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between Thursday and and Monday correct and holbrook's sister the other guy who was convicted his sister testified that
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he was at her wedding on the night of the 31st so again the window of time gets smaller for this suspect as well
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right okay so both of these convictions are going to fall apart soon after Holbrook and Rucker were convicted
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Susan Sigler was convicted herself she was convicted of filing a false rape claim looks like the state of Ohio has
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now learned what was already said about Sigler at the trial that this was in fact correct that she is not to be
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believed she's not credible she lies and she is not to be beli well and she was also the only eyewitness in um the trial
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that I was up for the longdong murders she's the only eyewitness so they threw that out I know people were wondering
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how I got off well then it was also discovered that she lied on her marriage license this is a this is a state
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document right this is a legal state document uh she claimed that she had only had one
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prior husband who was deceased when actually she had four ex-husbands all of them still
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alive and what what's funny about lying on her marriage license I'm sorry about only so her her statement on her
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marriage license is she had one prior husband and he's deceased right yet at the trial for Rucker two of
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her ex-husbands testified that she was a liar right oh my God this lady is a mess she's such a mess okay so the other
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witness Curtis Maynard oh my face hurts he is the one that we both agreed had the more detailed the more daming
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testimony against both of these individuals yeah he is one of the two witnesses that recanted his testimony
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yeah he said and he claims that he was pressured and threatened by Stark County detectives to point the finger at Rucker
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and Holbrook for Tina's murder Maynard who according to records has an IQ of 71 went on to have his attorney file a 48
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page report this was a sworn statement stating that deputies threatened to have him him jailed unless he implicated
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Rucker and Holbrook Maynard alleged that he was paid $10 and promised that a petty theft and
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a pending probation violation in Madina County would be dropped in return for specific testimony I can't speak
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directly about the $10 bribe I've done worse things for 10 bucks the jail time threat or the alleged favors for favors
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however according to the courts and sworn statements given to County detectives Maynard gave five different
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stories regarding what he witnessed and what was said to him in fact much of these statements would directly
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contradict the other statements so he was Jesse Miss Kelly before Jesse Miss Kelly was Jesse Miss Kelly yeah and then
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listen to this one statement implicated Rucker and Holbrook the two guys that were tried and convicted but it also
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implicated two other people one of which was Susan Sigler my God and he also went on to say
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that the fourth person who I I will not name because we know it's not this is not a credible account he was named in
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the paper which I felt bad for him but uh it was claimed in this statement which we know not to be true that he was
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involved in in the rape of this little girl as well [Music] so what you're seeing here is I mean
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it's really let's put that it's almost like law enforcement thought okay we have a maybe
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they had a couple credible eyewitnesses that thought they saw two men that look like these two individuals and then we
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have to build a case around it okay we get this known liar well she's probably not going to hold up but if we could get
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her friend to say a little bit more cuz he's not the brightest candle we have a case then and like and that's what we we
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said yesterday you throw out everybody's eyewitness testimony doesn't matter you
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stay with Maynards you can still get a guilty charge so luckily Herman Rucker was granted a new
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trial yeah he was acquitted by a jury on June 16th of 1983 and we always know how these things
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seem to work and this is no this is this of course is a shot at the state of Ohio
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however we've seen this go on in just about every other state it makes no damn sense but Ernest Holbrook saw he was
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looking for a new trial as well but oddly enough his requests were repeatedly denied so he remained in
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prison that's so D eventually Hall Brook's conviction was set aside and the charges against him were dismissed this
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was in May of 1984 the following year so both Rucker and hallbrook were either in jail or
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Prison from February 1982 until the time of their release dates one in June of 83
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and the other in May of May of 84 so H Brook spent over two years in either jail or prison for a crime he was simply
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accused of but did not commit Curtis Maynard later this is bizarre too Curtis Maynard later was convicted of perjury
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for his false testimony and he spent 13 months in prison yeah I have a issue with that because
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it's it's almost like law enforcement forced the perjury yeah it looks to me like uh so Susan Sigler put him up to it
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and then the the county detectiv twisted his arm into saying what they wanted and accusations aside what we see
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here is what we've seen in several other cases that are similar to this he gives
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five different statements why because he gives a statement that is false because
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he doesn't know anything about the crime he's not a witness to anything in real life right and when it doesn't match up
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with some of the evidence and some of the known facts of the crime the detective need him to write a new
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statement right but that's when the detectives need to not be goat turds and to do the right thing and step away and
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say hey look this guy's story is not matching we we're we can't make it fit right and it's sad how how often they
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don't step away they don't do the right thing they're they think they're doing the right thing cuz they're trying to
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get Justice for this little girl well and then you have to factor in as well we have the two witnesses that say I'll
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clean this up and give a little more detail here but the two female witnesses that say that they saw a a girl in a
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vehicle with two men and she appeared to be struggling it was a mother and daughter and I don't know which one but
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one of them recanted their testimony as well but if you want to take that a step
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further you also have to figure out what's going on here when they told when they offered up this
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tip to the police that led them to Rucker and hallbrook through Susan Sigler they simply gave a description of
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the men of the girl in the vehicle they didn't say h Brook and Rucker did this it was not until after Holbrook and
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Rucker were arrested that they're now able to pick them out of a photo lineup you see cuz police didn't have those
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photos to put put in the lineup until the arrest was made there's a chance they could have seen these guys pictures
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on in the paper by the time they're they're picking them out of a photo lineup yeah or what we've seen from you
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know a famous documentary Making a murder where they shown those pictures before the lineup by law enforcement
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that's not of a at a left field accusation because we already know that they heard eyewitness testimony that
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didn't make any sense and then kept working with that individual to get their statements to line up with the
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evidence that they did have we went through a lot of stuff here two trials three actually three trials nobody got
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anything right everything was wrong people spent time in jail and prison that didn't need to and then we send
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this guy off to prison for perjury I don't totally agree with that either so we are right back where we started here
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1982 Christa Harrison was snatched from a baseball field across the street from her home this is going on while all this
00:28:56
circus is going on trying to convict these two guys Rucker and Holbrook so Christa Harrison is taken from this
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baseball field this is across the street from her home Captain she was there collecting cans with a 12-year-old
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friend his name is Roy mhm Roy later told police that around 5:00 p.m. a dark colored van pulled into the park the van
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had bubble-shaped windows black seats and a roof vent yeah those bubble shaped windows were real popular
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in the 70s yeah this is early 80s so if you look up pictures of Rucker who we've
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already talked about he's wearing like a leisure suit when he goes to court as the captain said this is not like a
00:29:46
minivan back then this would have been a regular siiz van a little bit bigger than a mini van but these bubble Windows
00:29:53
usually they were tinted yeah and they they would bubble out from the sides of the van and they were very popular in
00:30:00
the late' 70s and maybe even early 80s yeah tinted or normally filled with weed smoke but uh if you look at Harrison she
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could be a cousin or a sister of Tina Harmon yes they both are about the same age now according to Roy the driver
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climbed out and approached Christa the man was white and said to have looked to be about 25 to maybe 35 years of age he
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was skinny with a mustache and had dark hair dark brown hair that curled near his shoulders Roy said that the man
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looked Italian the man said something to Christa Roy could not hear what was said
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Christa then went over and sat on some bleachers this would be you know facing the baseball diamond the man then sat
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down next to Christa he's talking to her and apparently he reached underneath her
00:31:01
blouse then Christa started to cry the man again whispered something to the girl Roy again could not hear what was
00:31:12
said but at this point Christa walked to the man's van opened the driver's side door climbed in the vehicle sat down
00:31:22
between the front bucket seats I guess I guess she's sitting on the floor at this
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point the man then climbed in as well and he leaned out the window and said something to the effect of by Roy and
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then he pulled the van out onto the road and then sped away that's the long version of what
00:31:46
went down that day at the park there is a shorter version that comes from another witness this would be a little
00:31:53
girl female witness who says that she believes that she saw a brown or purple colored van matching the same
00:32:02
description that Roy gave with the the bubble Windows she thought that she saw the man grab Christa and drag her into
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the van I cannot explain to you captain or anybody else why we would have two different accounts of what took place
00:32:23
that day my guess it might be simply vantage point we're talking about a park we could have one witness much further
00:32:31
away than Roy who seems to have a more detailed story he then runs home and explains what he saw but he's saying
00:32:43
that this perpetrator said bye Roy yeah he thought that the man said to him bye Roy or goodbye Roy which is
00:32:52
weird because it's not anybody that he recognizes we can tell that by the his given description of the man he's simply
00:32:59
describing the man if he knew the guy he'd say it was John that did this right he's frightened like visibly shaken when
00:33:08
police show up to take his report I also wonder if there's a certain level of shock factor involved here for both of
00:33:15
these Witnesses both of these Witnesses would be 11 12y old kids this is bizarre
00:33:23
because you have this situation that is much much different than the Tina Harmon
00:33:30
situation Tina Harmon she just kind of vanished she kind of disappeared no one said that
00:33:38
they saw her screaming or getting pulled into a truck or a van or that they saw her leave with any particular person in
00:33:47
this situation we have what is clearly an abduction and it's known to be an abduction right when it goes down mhm
00:33:56
there's no question about it so you have a different response that's going to come with this police are on of course
00:34:04
high alert they're going to be looking for Christa the van and this man so they offer up a description and a composite
00:34:15
sketch is put in the paper there's actually two of them two composite sketches of you know slightly slight
00:34:24
variations of the same man but they're going to be looking for this man for Christa and for the van also at the same
00:34:32
time because it's known it's a known abduction police are also thinking that they might receive some kind of Ransom
00:34:41
request right of course they're going to do their due diligence they're going to
00:34:46
monitor the phone lines for the family at their home and sadly no Ransom request comes
00:34:55
in and now we have an abduction that the hours are going by the days start to go
00:35:03
by like you said maybe it is a good thing to know from the onset that this is abduction so we can take it with a
00:35:12
certain level of seriousness but also uh a certain level of there's a time frame
00:35:18
and the this we need to be searching for and to find evidence uh right away yeah
00:35:26
it was not until 6 days later that they're going to find her remains sadly and by this point Captain The
00:35:38
Remains were in advanced stage of decomposition the body was discovered this was just off of a road that's not
00:35:49
well traveled M this was discovered by I believe a a turtle Trapper somebody who
00:35:55
was going out to either check their traps or set up traps that's one of my hobbies on on Facebook it says interest
00:36:03
Turtle Trapper what is bizarre here is that there's it it's listed in the papers as that her body was found either
00:36:14
next to or inside of an abandoned garage and I thought I always thought with this
00:36:22
case how weird to have it's either beside or in inside of this abandoned garage now the way that I was able to clean
00:36:33
this up was I was able to find one source that that stated that the body was actually located inside the
00:36:39
abandoned garage however it was it was a rather large structure and it had no door because I always found it to be
00:36:47
weird that this Turtle Trapper guy would just you know quote unquote stumble across a body if it were inside of this
00:36:56
structure mhm so I believe that what we have here is that he probably spotted something
00:37:02
funny spotted something weird and went into investigate there's no large garage door on one side of the structure finds
00:37:13
the body of Christa Lee Harrison as said it's an advanced stage of decomposition at this time well and
00:37:23
possibly you know the smell led him there yeah and I guess that there were there
00:37:29
was all kinds of like trash and discarded items in the area as well now I'm not super familiar with this area
00:37:40
this was a as said a scarcely traveled Road in Holmes County Ohio so maybe this is an area where people litter or things
00:37:51
like this would collect but there were a lot of items that were found around her
00:37:56
body like always whatever pictures we have of the case we will be posting on Instagram so follow us on Instagram at
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00:38:12
it doesn't have a door on it but it's it's very beat up very rund down yeah and so a better description here is the
00:38:20
body was found at about 7:30 p.m. on a Friday in an abandoned Garage on Washington Township Road
00:38:30
464 this is described as a dirt residential road that runs its way through corn fields thick portions of
00:38:39
woods Turtle ponds and this is in Northwestern Holmes County so it makes sense that this Turtle Trapper would be
00:38:48
in the area what was weird too here Captain was that uh an eyewitness says that they saw a man in this general area
00:39:00
around this you know abandoned garage who left in a vehicle and this would have been the
00:39:07
morning of when her body was discovered her body was discovered at 7:30 pm that night was the vehicle van no it was a
00:39:17
car uh vague description it was listed as a Caucasian male in his 20s or 30s and he was in a car I
00:39:27
the a better description of of the car I could not find what is weird here okay so when
00:39:34
they do the autopsy and when they're when they're scanning the crime scene the dump site they start to put together
00:39:43
a lot of stuff real quickly they're able to figure a bunch of things out first of
00:39:48
all the autopsy it was discovered that they believe the victim was killed relatively
00:39:57
quickly after the time that she was abducted Christa Harrison one issue that they had with the autopsy itself was
00:40:05
actually identifying the body it was in such of a advanced stage of decomposition that it was difficult to
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identify the body now horrifically what the parents in the family had to see in the paper for 3 days usually when you
00:40:25
have these types of situations a body's discovered and it's within about 24 hours they're saying we've made a
00:40:32
positive identification of the remains here it was for three days that they could not determine if 100% it was
00:40:43
Christa Harrison or not this is by both visual identification but also methods that are more scientific and we'll get
00:40:53
into that but what the parents had to hear for three days on the radio on TV and in the paper
00:41:01
was that at that time all they could say it was a female victim it was believed to be Christa Harrison and the remains
00:41:11
were clothed wearing the same clothing that Christa Harrison was wearing when she was abducted from the park right and
00:41:18
this is listed as a a pair of shorts and a white and blue football jersey like shirt so horrific for the parents for 3
00:41:31
days they have to hope and pray it's not our girl right but everything says it is
00:41:36
yeah everything's pointing to that it is her and where we have the delay is because it took some time to get dental
00:41:45
records and once they were there with the victim and then the comparison it just took a little bit of time more so
00:41:54
than than usual regarding the other information that they were easily able to figure
00:42:01
out was that the body was in a advanced state of decomposition because the victim had been wrapped inside of a
00:42:11
plastic bag this would be like a large I'm guessing probably larger than trash can normal trash can size trash bag but
00:42:22
after death the body was placed in this plastic bag and they believe that it must have been
00:42:30
stored somewhere hot for several days because they had information scientific information and I can't point to exactly
00:42:40
what but they believe the victim to have been killed shortly after the abduction
00:42:47
mind you 6 days go by before the victim is found the body is found they had evidence too that
00:42:54
suggested she was placed there where she was found that same day within 24-hour time
00:43:02
period we also have the eyewitness saying I saw a man leaving that area that morning right so you have further
00:43:10
evidence that possibly was placed there that morning and then found that night at 7:30 so they say that the victim must
00:43:18
have been the body must have been in a hot place stored in a hot location for a period of days
00:43:26
inside of that plastic bag they actually believe that it was probably most likely
00:43:31
a the trunk of a vehicle because keep in mind this is this is July it's going to be hot and
00:43:40
they were able to determine that the remains were inside that plastic bag for that entire the entirety of that time
00:43:48
until whomever disposed of the body drugg the body from the trunk of the a vehicle you know through the grass and
00:43:58
the weeds and in a little brief period of field and then placed it inside of that abandoned garage they were able to
00:44:06
determine this because there were drag marks on the remains itself there were drag marks on the ground and the plastic
00:44:15
bag started to come off of the remains they also located several other items of interest in the area so of
00:44:25
course the the bag is going to be of interest to investigators but they also found a
00:44:32
Budweiser towel a bloody car seat box okay a wad of the victim's hair they found gloves a plaid shirt and a pair of
00:44:44
jeans were found in the vicinity of the dump site well and like you said there are so many items that were around this
00:44:53
area I'm guessing there was some kind of forensic work to to be done to to determine that these were actual pieces
00:45:00
of evidence yes yeah to make sure you know you separate just debris and litter from
00:45:08
actual items of value to your investigation what was really bizarre here Captain was a statement that they
00:45:16
they law enforcement put in the papers at the time they said that the the clothing the shirt and the jeans or the
00:45:24
pants that they could not say for certain that they belonged to the girl's killer but they could say that they
00:45:34
belong to the person that that placed the body in that location right because we we think the descriptions of this
00:45:42
individual are the same but obviously he was in a different vehicle so he could have paid somebody to dispose of the
00:45:50
body or or was in cahoots with somebody yeah so some very interesting stuff here
00:45:56
I don't know how they could determine that the clothing belonged to the person that placed her there but
00:46:03
could not say that it belonged to her actual killer MH but what you have here Captain is
00:46:11
almost it's a a complete dump site where we're now going to try to hide and conceal the remains of the victim and
00:46:22
the perpetrators also like dumping items that were involved in the the crimes itself clothing this this car seat box a
00:46:36
pair of gloves it's almost like the killer dis disposed of the victim and then disposed of any evidence that they
00:46:44
had on them everything that that that he thought had to do with the crime I'm going to get rid of that as well I don't
00:46:51
know why a perpetrator wouldn't take the extra time to place these it items elsewhere it seems a little
00:46:59
counterintuitive counterproductive to to the the purpose of concealing the body but maybe they thought that none of
00:47:07
these items would be found or that they wouldn't be found for a good deal of time or maybe this witness the person
00:47:14
that says that they thought they saw a man in a car leaving that area maybe that witness spooked the perpetrator or
00:47:22
the person that dumped the body and they were rushed out of the area right so let's go through some of the things that
00:47:29
were found at the scene here Captain because yeah from the litter bug correct so first we know 100% it's a little
00:47:37
questionable about these other items right but we know for a fact immediately that this bag is part of the
00:47:46
investigation it's evidence in this investigation because they could tell that she was in this bag and then
00:47:53
dragged to this spot in the garage so he used the bag as a way to transport the body yeah and probably an attempt
00:48:02
to hide the smell a little bit to and and also you know evidence will fall off of this body you don't want it falling
00:48:11
off in the trunk of your vehicle and this bag they can confirm that it's related to the crime 100% because it's
00:48:19
shown it's found in a state of of where it's falling apart because she was dragged to this spot so part of the bag
00:48:29
is still on the remains when the body is located now this bag apparently was pretty
00:48:38
unique in the sense that it had a certain pattern and thickness to it that were not common to just your standard
00:48:46
trash bag the bag itself was traced to a uh having been manufactured at a factory in
00:48:56
Pioneer Ohio these types of bags were used for packaging material and packaged for uh
00:49:06
car seats and such MH what was interesting was they were also able to determine that this type of packaging
00:49:14
was only used on black vehicle seats on black car seats I wonder how they were able to
00:49:22
determine that maybe the the manufacturer that made the car seats only made them in one color black oh
00:49:28
there you go used this type of packaging sold them but what's interesting about that is we have our witness Roy who says
00:49:38
Not only was it a dark colored van but I could see the tops of the seats from my
00:49:43
vantage point and the the seats were black in color right so this is all starting to match up and these seats
00:49:54
these vehicle seats were sold through the old Sears company they were only available for a
00:50:01
period of time a short period of time now the the Box we mentioned the Box what they were able to determine about
00:50:10
this piece of cardboard box is that it contained the victim's blood what's in the box what's in the box so here again
00:50:18
immediately we know this is connected to our crime this is going to be further evidence that type of box was a Again
00:50:26
part of packaging for these types of seats right so these are like seat covers correct so they're starting to
00:50:35
wonder like whoever used this material to conceal the body and then dump the body they either were a purchaser of
00:50:44
these types of seats or had access to this these materials at a later date after somebody else purchased the seats
00:50:53
right what they discovered was was only about uh 23 24 people in Northern Ohio which is the area of the crimes had
00:51:04
purchased this type of car seat the problem here is when they go to look into this they
00:51:13
got you know about two dozen people to look at none of them own a vehicle that matched the
00:51:22
abductor vehicle description yeah so this is really fascinating to me because both crimes um the the Harrison
00:51:34
crime and the Harmon crime and the Harmon crime both crimes were about 15 miles away and very similar you know uh
00:51:45
um a remote Road dumping of the body but not trying to bury the body not trying to really
00:51:53
hide the body that well but what we have is in the one case we have two guys on trial and they were
00:52:02
convicted yeah and so people in this community had to be thinking one it's happening
00:52:13
again or two they got the wrong guys behind bars because this seems like a a Serial
00:52:22
murder yeah you have crimes that are taking place within a a time period of less than a year from one another right
00:52:31
within 15 miles roughly of the two you know you compare the Abduction of Harrison to the last known sighting of
00:52:41
Harman you and the victimology is the same they're the same age they're girls and there we have the same
00:52:51
situation of one went missing one went was abducted and there's a period of days before the remains are found but I
00:53:00
also believe if we think that Harmon went missing from the truck stop mhm what is
00:53:09
the truck stop a highly highly trafficked area we have people in the area this person that took Harmon has no
00:53:20
fear of being seen what do we have in the Harrison case not only was this individual that took Harrison not afraid
00:53:28
of being seen he also said bye Roy yeah he may said something to one of the witnesses I mean this is um a
00:53:39
predator that you do not want out on the loose this is this is an individual that is not a afraid of
00:53:50
taking his chances to to get a victim so picture this if you're someone in this area and you're you know smart
00:53:58
individual like many of our listeners you're going okay victimology is the same location the same within a year of
00:54:04
one another similar type crimes these got to be connected however well they can't be because two guys are on trial
00:54:12
for the first one they're both locked up at the time of when Christa Harrison is
00:54:19
abducted from the park right and then you start hearing that two people are going to recant their testimony that
00:54:26
convicted one of the guys and you're going a similar crime happened while these two were locked up
00:54:33
there's something very strange going on here and like I said you could put a picture of these two girls side by side
00:54:41
they could be sisters cousins I mean very similar as far as victimology shortly after Christa
00:54:51
Harrison's body was found a $10,000 reward was placed for information regarding the abductor remember we have
00:54:59
the comp composite sketch in the newspapers at the time of the man that police believe abducted Christa Harrison
00:55:08
from the park sadly even with this money being offered up and a composite sketch in the
00:55:16
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