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crime [Music] [Music] the family of a teenager murdered 34 years ago is making a new plea to solve
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that crime they are frustrated now with the progress on the case and demanding answers from investigators TV's Chuck
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strickler has more on their new push for justice well it is one of the oldest unsolved murders in Franklin County we
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talked to the family of Bill cin a month ago on the 34th anniversary of his death
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and today Bill's sister continues to post tweets like these as if Bill were talking from beyond the grave and she
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has only one goal to never let Bill's voice go silent I never wanted to be a best kept secret for 34 years I don't
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have a clue then or now Kathleen Kine speaking for her brother Bill a battle she says is going nowhere he's not just
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a box of files sitting on a shelf Gathering dust you know he had a future he's 14
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years old he had his whole life ahead of him somebody decided to end it Bill cin
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was found just down the street from his house on January 7th 1980 years have passed the case has grown cold and she
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feels even today her family has been left out in the cold it's frustrating trying to get answers trying
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to get somebody to return phone calls return emails to get some kind of information here's one to the Franklin
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County Sheriff's Department says please don't give up on me now the cin family says there were certain pieces of
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evidence found here at the murder scene a knife a beer bottle and what could be the most significant Bill's scarf that
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was used to strangle him now a body fluid was found on that scarf and the family says it was supposed to be tested
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for DNA last year but they are still waiting for answers there's got to be somebody that can do something there's
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no reason to stop there's always going to be some hope and she will continue to pressure and publicize her plight in
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whatever way she can as the Battle For answers goes on to find Bill's killer if my murderer has tormented you for
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decades and deep down you know what happened to me share now Franklin County Sheriff Zach
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Scott tells me that the DNA sample in question is so small that if they use it once to test it may be gone forever and
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that's why they are taking extra time to review it he says his detectives will continue to work the case Kathleen says
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an email from a detective promises a follow-up meeting with a family she says she hopes that happens in the meantime
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these tweets she says we'll continue [Music] on the evening of January 7th 1980 14-year-old Bill coin is helping his
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father work on the family car he went two doors down to get his sister to walk home from a birthday party this is
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Bill's little sister Kathleen who is only 9 years old however the party was not over Kathleen does not want to come
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home yet and ask Bill to come back and get her later right so good like a good older brother he's going to come home
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and then he's going to tell his parents hey I'll go back and get her later no big deal and I think the way that this
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thing went down Captain is that Bill's Father Robert and his mother they the three of them were supposed to go to the
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mall that evening while Kathleen was at this birthday party now they didn't go to the mall because the family car was
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not running properly uh and at this discovery his father Robert and Bill decide that they're going to stay in the
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garage and work on the car MH now throughout this night bill will be helping his father and he even brings
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his father a cup of coffee um his two brothers he has two older brothers they are at home at this time along with
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their mother all are presumably in the house now after bringing his father a CO a cup of coffee for the second time Bill
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goes out to the goes out of the garage and goes to the front porch front yard area of the property well let's talk a
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little bit about this neighborhood I mean so this is Columbus Ohio so we're pretty familiar with this but those of
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you that aren't uh if you ever seen the show The Wonder Years um now that show was set back in time a little bit but
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similar uh neighborhood yeah I actually lived in this neighborhood at one one time for about a year or so and you've
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been out there to visit me during this time and it's a small neighborhood uh and to describe it to everyone the the
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best way I would describe it is there's very few what I would call like straight
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roads it's a lot of winding roads through this neighborhood and all the houses are they're smaller homes um and
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probably were built in the 60s and late 60s I would guess um but that gives you a picture of this neighborhood small
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homes windy roads the homes are pretty close together yeah and when I was first looking into this case I I thought there
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would probably be some confusion cuz you know this happened on a Monday mhm but there was a birthday party yeah well so
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what's up with that yeah it's a strange evening to have a birthday party in my mind but take note of this people out
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I'm I'm being honest shooting from the hip here because there are some parents out there that are like you know what my
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kid was born on January 7th we have the party on January 7th you know what take into consideration all your guest and do
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this thing on the weekend please yeah I I don't know if that happens as much anymore but okay okay so it's it's
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Monday night working on the car last time they see Bill as he delivers this cup of coffee and they're probably
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trying to settle in for the night M and you they have work and school the next day so uh where's Bill well exactly
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because Robert is done Bill's Father Robert is done working on the car at some point he comes inside he talks to
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his wife he expects to see Bill inside the house Bill's not there you know she says the obvious thing oh I thought he
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was out in the garage with you no he must have went back to collect Kathleen from this birthday party right they go
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down to the birthday party Kathleen's there bill is nowhere to be found they call this into the local police
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department now we said this was we said this is Columbus Ohio but this is outside of 270 so 270 is the outer belt
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freeway that goes around Columbus Ohio this is what would be called the West Side um and it's typical back in these
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days that a small Police Department called New Rome uh might have actually been the police officers that would have
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responded to this call right so we have a 14-year-old boy missing and it's believed his father would later report
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that they believe that bill was probably last seen about 20 minutes or so before
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they realized he was not at the house right so not long after they report him missing the police are there they're
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going to surveillance the whole area for uh I I believe 9:45 or so yeah around 9:45 the police are on seen looking
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through the neighborhood Billy's father and a neighbor and Billy's two brothers would end up finding Bill near train
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tracks at the end of a dead end Street uh bill is lying face down in a snowy ditch his winter scarf is knotted
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tightly around his neck and he is unconscious uh this spot strange enough Captain is only about two blocks away
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from the family's home and as we said this is near train track so he's lying face down amongst you know trash beer
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bottles Rusty car parts that sort of thing uh Bill's brother Mike using a pocket knife cuts the scarf from Bill's
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neck uh Bill's father and older brother Bob performed CPR on the young man until
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the ambulance arrived bill was transported to a nearby hospital uh the hospital this is called Doctors West uh
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it's maybe just 2 or three miles away so a very quick drive to the hospital but unfortunately at the hospital bill is
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pronounced Ed Dead uh this would be around 11:00 p.m. at night the cause of death was listed as strangulation law
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enforcement says other than the strangulation there were no other signs of violence or a struggle nor was Bill
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robbed upon arriving at the hospital law law enforcement was working with two theories either bill was murdered or
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this was some kind of suicide now it wasn't until April 22nd that they I don't even think they even said suicide
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too I mean wasn't at some point they thought it was possibly an accident yes you are exactly right but but upon
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arriving at the hospital these are the two theories that they're working with uh it wasn't until April 22nd that they
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released the coroner's report the coroner ruled the the death of homicide uh the cause of death was actually you
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know I said strangulation earlier but the cause of death was actually Cardiac Arrest due to compression of the neck by
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ligature mhm um you know what does that mean okay so basically he has a heart attack because there's extreme trauma to
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the body you know you're cutting off the airway he's unable to breathe and this this brought Upon This Heart Attack that
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ultimately killed him right but that's probably by more Force than if he accidentally you know tightened the
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scarf around his neck too tight mhm it would probably because you know a lot more force on the neck might cause that
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heart attack is yes is that correct yes well but I also want to touch upon something real quick here um you know we
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said that this he went missing and was found unconscious on in January of 1980 it wasn't until April late April of 1980
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that the coroner's report was released now I've heard a lot of people and read a lot of people stating that you know oh
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it's the 1980s they didn't really know what they were doing back then and this was the cause for the delay of this
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Coroner's report I actually don't believe that to be the case at all I I think that they probably knew very
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quickly within days of him arriving at the hospital of what was the manner of death uh I believe that what actually
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happened here Captain was there may may have been a dispute between the sheriff's department and the coroner as
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to the cause of death is there any other findings that the coroner finds yes uh a
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toxicology report shows volume in Bill coin's blood but other than that there are no signs of personal drug use by the
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14 year old now law enforcement are not sure how Bill got the volume or why it was in his system the coroner uh
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publicly declares the death a very bizarre case and we're going to see why very quickly because it was quickly
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reported after his death after the young man's death that on two previous occasions uh the first being in
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September and then again in October of 1979 bill was attacked by two unknown males and he was choked on both both of
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these occasions Bill coin as we said he's 14 years old and I want to paint a picture of Bill for you now 14 sounds
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very young I've seen pictures of Bill and Bill is 6 foot tall about 175 lbs uh he's a freshman at wesland high school
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he's you know from all accounts he's the the teachers say he's a perfect student
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his parents say he's a perfect child um he played the piano he was in the school
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choir he's a newspaper boy yeah he he had a newspaper route for some time now I do want to touch upon this uh 6 foot
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tall 175 lbs because I've seen pictures of Bill he does not look 14 years old to
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me he he looks 17 or 18 He looks almost like a grown man you know when you picture a freshman in high school you
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you typically don't think to see somebody 6 foot tall 175 lbs so he's a he's a tall big kid let's talk about
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these attacks that took place in September in October of 1979 now Bill received some threatening
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notes at school it's reported that he received three to four notes that were found in his locker these were given to
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detectives eventually uh some of these were typed some were written and some were cut from pieces of magazines now
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Bill's best friend and his girlfriend also received a note in their lockers these notes were typed in red ink one
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saying that blood will spill um another saying it's bill has 3 months left so P.S make the best of it the the note
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that said that Bill had three months left is the note that was delivered to his girlfriend's Locker well it seems
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like somebody has way too much time on their hands the other thing Captain there is one note that was found at
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wesland high school after Bill's death that says you are next signed with a red s this is according to Bill coin's
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parents but I also want to state that the wait wait hold on a second so there was another note that was delivered
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after his death that says you are next we don't know if it was delivered after his death it was found at the high
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school after his death now the tricky thing here is so it wasn't delivered to anybody is that's what I'm trying to get
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at um I here here's where there's a big problem there's little details about this note and that is because we have
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Bill kin's parents saying that this this note was was found after his death at wesland high school we have the
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sheriff's deputies who would not discuss this item nor would they confirm even having found this right so we don't even
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know if it exist so it's yes it's in big big time dispute here whether this this
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thing was real or not play the base big time so I want to talk about these assaults the first took place on a
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Wednesday this is September 5th 1979 at approximately 8:30 p.m. bill was on his way home from a friend's house he
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decides to cut through the woods behind an elementary school bill is on his bike
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he's riding his bike he's on a trail that's about 50 yard behind the school when he is knocked off of his bike by
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what he would say is two men that were unknown to him um they approached him from behind once they attacked him they
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tie a plastic garbage bag over Bill's head and wrap a bicycle inner tube around his neck Bill almost blacks out
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from this attack but eventually he starts to break free before he can black out when he when this happens these two
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dudes that attacked him in the woods took off when Bill gets home he has obvious signs of bruising uh the police
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are called regarding the attack of the attackers reported but the the police go to the scene they find Bill's Bike uh
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they find the inner tube and they find the bag that was placed over Bill's head they found a note there saying he was
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warned uh bill was unable to describe the two men that assaulted him okay so normally you could be able to tell right
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away the individuals were black or white mhm so he's not able to say that I couldn't find any reports where they
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they say you know these are white guys these are African-American guys um really there's no description of these
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people at all as far as public records go well normally too it's like you might not be able to tell if the guy is 16 you
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know the person that attacked you if there were 16 year old or if they're but you can normally you know break it down
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and go well they're in their 20s or 30s that's one of the frustrating one of the
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many frustrating things regarding this case and and what if Bill knew and just was afraid to actually State anything
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there's a lot of speculation regarding that let's talk about the attack that took place on Monday October 22nd
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1979 this is the second assault and you could you could possibly call this the attempted murder of Bill coin this takes
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place at a approximately 6:30 p.m. uh bill is out collecting money uh like the captain said he had a newspaper route
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and he was going door too to his different customers and he's collecting money now he's not on his bike this
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evening he's on foot um he says that at some point while he's out collecting money two men who were driving an older
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model vehicle uh he described this as Aqua or tur turquoise in color um two men jumped out of a car and they jumped
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him from behind they attack him and then tie a rope around his neck and throw him
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into some bushes Billy loses Consciousness and he blacked out for about 5 to 6 hours once he regains
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Consciousness Bill walks home and he arrives around 12:30 or 1:00 a.m. that morning Bill has rope burs on his neck
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he has a gash on his face and broken blood vessels on his face as well to you know obvious signs that this guy was
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choked and knocked out uh Bill files a police report and describes the asants as two white guys in their late teens or
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early 20s he's also taken to the uh hospital at this time where his injuries are noted this was probably part of the
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police report um and so he's two he's attacked twice both times the police investigate a report is filed and at
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least one of these occasions he seeks medical attention because of the attack bill would ultimately end up quitting
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his paper route I understand why um and just four days after filing the report bill is asked to take a polygraph test
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now he has to take this test this is at the BCI office the Ohio BCI office which
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is in London Ohio there's a lot of questions about these two attacks the the sheriff's department um and let's
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let's kind of clear this up a little bit because I said earlier the new Rome Police Department would more than likely
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be the ones responding to the missing report of Bill from January of 1980 mhm New Rome is a tiny little tiny little
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area and they only had part-time police officers back then it's bigger than Parts Unknown but it is Tiny yeah and
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the best way to describe these police officers picture uh Boy Scouts in cop cars is pretty much the way I would
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describe the new new room Police Department they're part-time they really only issue traffic tickets they don't
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really investigate any type of crime um later and I don't know there's probably a new Rome cop listening right now mad
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as hell well there there can't be because New Rome no longer exist at some point it was absorbed by Prairie
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Township because got me there there you go um but if they had any type of major crime or an assault or anything like
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this this is within Franklin County Ohio So eventually the Sheriff's Department would be called in to investigate these
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different things not the Boy Scouts that were issuing traffic tickets on West Broad Street yeah I'm sure I got a
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ticket from them before yeah I I definitely received one and one thing I remember is they they told me I had to
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pay in cash in person uh and my ticket was for not having uh being able to provide proof of insurance I was pulled
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over for who knows what but that ends up being the ticket I didn't have my insurance C card on me at the date that
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I was pulled over now in Columbus and in most cities you can just go to the court
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and prove that you had insurance at the time you were pulled over and there's then they take away the ticket my
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situation with New Rome was I showed up I'm like look I here's my proof of insurance they're like we don't care
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that you have insurance you were pulled over for not having proof of it you need
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to pay that ticket and pay it in cash I can't remember what I paid but here's what I do remember part of the reason
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why New Rome no longer exist is they were writing all these tickets telling people they had to pay in cash and then
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they they the government doesn't believe that new Rome was reporting all of these
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tickets being paid or even issued that they're basically pocketing the money so many got you yeah many many good reasons
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why New Rome is no longer around but let's let's go through this real quick Captain so we have a a dead 14-year-old
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boy Bill coins he's found face down in a snowy ditch uh his scarf is tied tightly around his neck death by
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strangulation exactly and then we also find out that on two previous occasions this same young man has been attacked by
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what he describes as two men uh Who attack him and both times trying to choke him to death yeah first time
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trying to put a bag over his head and then tie the bag you know tight and the other time uh trying to struggle him
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with a rope where he blacks out for five to six hours yeah did report him missing
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that day there's so here here's a big problem with this case his parents are no longer around um they they both
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passed away lived to be you know an old age um his sister and brother are still around uh he had two brothers I don't
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know about his oldest brother but his sister and brother to this day are very active in the case keeping this case
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alive searching for answers good for them exactly um but however his they were young at this time his sister was
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only nine uh his brother was a few years older than him they are a little they're
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a little fuzzy about the details of some of these things and there's also been a
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lot of people that have kind of come out of the woodwork saying well if my son was attacked on two separate occasions I
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would have moved I would have mortgaged my home and move to another neighborhood
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and sure you would have okay let's let's not fault these parents I don't find any
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fault in what the parents did or did not do no okay let's be clear about this the
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two times that he was attacked both times it was reported to the police that's what you're supposed to do at
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least one of those occasions Bill received medical attention if not on both occasions right um so I don't know
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what more you expect of parents to do you you report these things to the police and and then you know you hope
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that the police are out doing their job the problem with the police is the the victim is unable to describe these guys
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uh the best description that they get out of two attacks is it was a aqua turquoise car uh with some white dudes
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that may have been in their late teens or early 20s yeah but it kind of sounds like you're fauling bill I mean again I
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think there's probably some reason that he didn't want to come forward with some
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information but yeah there's ways to toughen up your kids too I mean you could you could have send Bill to the
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Cobra Kai Tojo yeah but but it's also I I'm not faing Bill what I'm saying is there's good chance he may not have he
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couldn't provide a better description because he didn't know who these guys were uh he was attacked uh you've talked
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about on this show several times what happens when you're knocked out you might not remember things that happen
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leading up to being knocked out I don't know what happens when somebody's choked
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out or strangled like that to the point of Los losing Consciousness that they might might not be clear about what
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happened to them um it's pretty easy then when you come to to be pulling the inner tube off of your neck and the bag
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off of your head and realize that that's how you were choked or strangled there is so much more to get into in this case
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is just heating up we'll get right back to this right after this quick beer [Music]
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full on mates full on Cheers mates okay so let's jump right back into this Captain cuz this thing is this thing's
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pretty big I think let's take into account that the sheriff's department they're currently investigating that
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bill has been attacked on two separate occasions this is before he's found murdered or found dead at the end of
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that Dead End Street they were also investigating the letters that these notes that bill received at at school
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they were investigating all all this before he's found dead at the the end of that street now after his death the
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Franklin County Sheriff's Department the detectives they're on record stating quote that we are interviewing persons
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close to Bill and the reason being is at this time they're still struggling to determine if they were dealing with a
00:31:16
homicide or a potential suicide so for the first part of their investigation they interviewed just about if not
00:31:23
everyone that would have known Bill uh they interviewed his family his friends and school officials and they said they
00:31:30
said quote uh persons interviewed describe Bill as a perfect student a perfect child a perfect citizen so I
00:31:37
really firmly believe that they could come up with no apparent reason for his death whatsoever um even though they
00:31:44
couldn't decide if this is a homicide or suicide there's no reason for this 14-year-old boy to be dead and I believe
00:31:52
that that is why that they waited so long to have the coroner release his report ultimately ruling the situation a
00:32:00
homicide more evidence is going to come in backing the idea that this is a homicide and not a suicide because his
00:32:06
neighbors are going to start getting threatening letters this is a crazy thing Captain because on July 21st of
00:32:13
1980 Neighbors on Maple Drive start receiving threatening letters or notes um we say Maple Drive this is the same
00:32:21
street that bill and his family lived on it's reported that 13 to possibly 19 notes of these threatening letters or
00:32:30
notes were received uh by eight different families all very near the com's home some families received
00:32:37
identical notes on the same day some notes were mailed some were delivered in person at night uh notes were found on
00:32:44
porches and on cars so up until September of 1980 these notes were mailed but the first note that was
00:32:51
delivered in person at night was discovered on September 9th 1980 police were looking at the handwriting on these
00:32:59
notes the handwriting is described in two ways two very different ways uh one being crudely printed and there's also
00:33:06
notes that are neatly penciled on pieces of cutout envelopes uh these notes are submitted
00:33:13
for analysis which reveals that the letters were all written by the same person even though some crudely and some
00:33:20
neatly right but were these letters connected to the original letters um let's go through that because
00:33:27
there is some wording of these notes that would make you believe that they could be connected and keep in mind he's
00:33:34
re Bill Comin is receiving these threatening letters and then he's killed uh most of these letters are brief uh
00:33:40
they're simply just three or four words on a lot of the notes the messages that were reported in the newspaper at the
00:33:46
time were as follows uh parents should guard their children carefully this one is signed X the next note is time is
00:33:55
short now now I want to note here that uh seven different girls and women in the neighborhood which the ages range
00:34:03
from Seven all the way up to 50 received these letters addressed to their name mm
00:34:09
um some of the other notes said all have been warned uh one said death in October
00:34:15
one said you are next and the other one said it's time this one was left the Night Before
00:34:22
Halloween this of course you know just some of the notes received because they did report all of them to the newspapers
00:34:29
uh police say that they did believe that the letter writer could possibly be the
00:34:34
the killer of Bill coin on November 2nd law enforcement took the notes to Syracuse for a psychological profile of
00:34:43
the letter writer here's where things W that's kind of difficult too when the letters are so short yeah well here's
00:34:51
the difficult thing too because in December of 1980 they arrest somebody for writing
00:34:57
these letters a 54-year-old woman who lives on Maple Drive was arrested for writing the threatening letters she
00:35:05
wrote all of them so how did they catch this crazy old bat well remember they did the psychological profile and
00:35:13
they've not said this in the papers but here's what I believe I believe that what they came up with in the
00:35:18
psychological profile is that probably one of the persons that have received letters or received the notes themselves
00:35:26
was the the author of all of these notes so what they end up doing is they go back and everybody that received a note
00:35:34
they ask them to submit a handwriting sample so they can compare it to the notes found clever so 54y old this is uh
00:35:42
Alien taupe uh she decides she's not going to submit a handwriting sample to the police so they get a search warrant
00:35:50
and they go to where she works and they take items from her desk basically taking you know collecting handwriting
00:35:58
samples on their own without her help they determined that she wrote these letters based off of items that they
00:36:05
found in her desk and the letters probably smelled like cats well alien taupe was a state employee she worked
00:36:14
for the Ohio Department of Taxation she lived with her husband who was a retired
00:36:19
mail carrier this is Willard taupe 56 years he probably had him deliver the letters they had four adult children at
00:36:28
this time when she's arrested uh one daughter and three sons ranging in age from 22 to 30 I believe the daughter was
00:36:36
the youngest of their children they lived in their house on Maple Drive for 7 years they knew the coin um actually
00:36:46
Mrs coine describes alen taupe as a friend um and so then why is she writing these these letters because she's not
00:36:55
really a friend I'm guessing this is this is after the fact that once it's discovered that she was the writer the
00:37:01
mother States bill coin's mom States you know she was once a friend now she's somebody I don't even want to see ever
00:37:07
again mhm uh they liveed the way that the way that Bill's sister Kathleen describes the neighborhood um the taes
00:37:16
would have lived not directly across the street from them but across the street and a house over right so they lived
00:37:22
very close to the coin a little more background on alen taupe um she she before she wrote the letters before the
00:37:32
letter started showing up this is back in 1973 and 74 she had several nervous breakdowns um after after being caught
00:37:41
as the letter writer she was diagnosed as having dual personalities she spent three weeks in a hospital and then she
00:37:48
got all better well she was or her family was one of the first people to receive these threatening notes they
00:37:55
took the the notes were delivered between July 21st and October 31st of 1980 she's caught for this in December
00:38:03
of 1980 mhm so she even participated in the investigation in the sense that she spoke with police on several occasions
00:38:11
and she also talk to the newspapers uh when when the people in the neighborhood were receiving these
00:38:17
notes she told the Columbus Dispatch that this is some kind of sick joke or somebody is ready to go off the deep end
00:38:25
that's what she's quoted as in the paper she told the police she was receiving threatening phone calls and prowers were
00:38:30
lurking around her home at night and attempted break-ins to their home well I wonder if maybe with the mental issues
00:38:38
she was dealing with if this uh because Bill was murdered maybe this triggered something inside her and and again maybe
00:38:46
she was friends with the family and that that was a bigger trigger and therefore
00:38:50
then she became mentally unhinged because of this murder so but it's sad nonetheless
00:38:57
now law enforcement would end up proving that all the phone calls to police uh the the comments or the suspected
00:39:04
prowers or attempted break-ins to their home they were all false claims all right so what does she get charged with
00:39:11
well she gets charged with writing the threatening letters this I guess is a misdemeanor and she ple no contest to
00:39:17
this and receives a fine of $50 um She fainted during the court proceedings and like just like sugite
00:39:27
yes he has a he has a problem going to court um here's the weird thing though Captain uh in as if it's not weird
00:39:35
enough can't get much weirder so I've read newspaper articles that came out in December of 1980 and her husband is
00:39:43
interviewed with her uh regarding her arrest he seems to be in her Court uh he has her back um like we said she
00:39:53
probably has some mental issues going on the thing is though she offers no explanation as to why she wrote any of
00:40:01
these letters eventually law enforcement would say that she did not write the letters that bill coin received before
00:40:09
his death and stated that she is not a suspect and Bill coin's murder the letters that were received were received
00:40:15
at people's houses or on the street um the the letters that bill received were at the school mhm in September of 1981
00:40:25
so over year and a half goes by and after announcing the menacing letter writer was not a suspect uh in what the
00:40:33
coroner called a very bizarre case and also Eileen taupe was not considered a suspect in the threatening letters Bill
00:40:39
had received before his death the police still had named no suspects couldn't find a motive for the murder of Bill
00:40:47
coin but now in 1981 they're reexamining the case and talking to the Press once again this time Advan there's a there's
00:40:56
a theory that starts to come out a year and a half after the death of Bill comein okay and this is that he possibly
00:41:02
died of an accidental suicide by way of autoerotic xixi law enforce okay law enforcement
00:41:10
claims that the investigation is ongoing at this time however uh we have detectives detectives stating publicly
00:41:18
that they don't believe that bill coin was murdered the coroner at this time still has not changed his ruling of
00:41:24
homicide the deputy coroner claims the ruling of homicide was given to keep the case open that law enforcement were they
00:41:32
were having trouble believing the stories uh regarding the first two attacks on Bill kin's and they are now
00:41:39
telling the newspapers that bill kin's uh responses to the lie detector test that they asked him to take before his
00:41:45
death showed signs of quote significant attempt to deceive okay a couple things going on here first of all autoerotic
00:41:54
affixation right mhm so this is where either during sex I guess or during self sex
00:42:04
okay I can't believe we're talking about this uh but you'd be choking yourself and be and it would help uh you know you
00:42:13
climax okay right so that's what they're stating they believe it's a possibility
00:42:19
that he was choking himself with his scarf um and then beaten off uh by the train tracks all right well let's get
00:42:27
into this is the time where we have to get into all this speculation because it's obvious that law enforcement they
00:42:33
don't seem to have a good idea I think on whether he's murdered or whether this was an accidental death well pretty
00:42:40
simple was his pants found down around his ankles or or was his pants on I'm going to go off of what Bob has said Bob
00:42:49
is uh Bill's older brother he was one of the people that found Bill face down in
00:42:53
that ditch that night he States that as far as his memory goes that Bill's Clothing didn't seem
00:43:02
abnormal um and to furthermore the family's belief that he was murdered is okay so this was a cold night there was
00:43:11
snow on the ground Bill's wearing a winter coat he's wearing pants long pants he's wearing big thick gloves and
00:43:19
a scarf a scarf his own scarf that is tied tightly around his neck that probably caused this cardiac arrest that
00:43:26
he had they there's no sign of there's no sign of a struggle but there's also no
00:43:32
sign of what you were just talking about the your self sex that you were just discussing um sorry so that's
00:43:40
inappropriate yes uh bill you know Bob these are Bob's statements many years later one sad one of the saddest things
00:43:48
about this is I I've read Bob's stories and um you know just the fact that he and his father father basically took
00:43:57
turns performing CPR on Bill trying to revive him yeah um Bob states that that Bill had vomited because of the the
00:44:07
strangulation and that for many many years Bob could still taste that in his own mouth uh from having performed this
00:44:16
the CPR but there's all kinds there's so much things there's so many things to discuss here okay let's well I think
00:44:25
this whole idea a of this autoerotic affixation theory is to me is just irresponsible well and and one thing
00:44:34
that that would have your back on that is that a lot of people argue that the size of the gloves he wore would have
00:44:41
been that you wouldn't have been able to tie your shoelaces with these big thick
00:44:44
gloves on that he wouldn't have been able to tie this scarf around his own neck MH um I have so many questions
00:44:53
about this case and this is one of these fascinating cases that you dive into and
00:44:57
you could go a million different directions with it um the first the first question I have is there's there's
00:45:05
some question as to when Bill still in life started receiving these threatening letters these threatening notes was it
00:45:14
before the first time he was attacked or was it after the first time he was attacked um he was attacked on September
00:45:22
5th of 1979 and the reason why I bring that up because that's a Wednesday that would
00:45:28
have been the Wednesday after Labor Day now back in the day and you'll remember this and I know that school school years
00:45:35
have changed throughout the years that a lot of kids start school early August or
00:45:40
mid August nowadays but back when we were kids we would typically start school the week before Labor Day and I
00:45:47
used to love that because they would kind of ease you into the school year because you would typically start on
00:45:52
that Wednesday before Labor Day so you would go to school for 3 days you would have a 3-day weekend you would go back
00:45:59
to school for 4 days before you went to your first full week of school which is week three so I have to believe I'm just
00:46:08
going off of numbers here that bill probably started receiving these threatening letters after the first
00:46:15
attack and I only say that because I believe that having found them in his locker and his friends Finding them in
00:46:23
their lockers that these letters would have been delivered by somebody that had access to that school this would be an
00:46:30
upper classman or a teacher somebody already in the school now leading up to the first attack bill would have only
00:46:37
been in school for what 5 days five school days before the first attack right um and I do have confirmation that
00:46:47
that that school year is correct uh his sister would say years later when questioned about the whole incident that
00:46:54
back then we started school the week before Labor Day so he wouldn't have been in school very long before
00:47:01
before being attacked right which makes some sense because you know people get back from summer break and then they're
00:47:06
kind of Rowdy mhm so that's you know that makes sense and I and I believe you know if he was murdered the the per the
00:47:13
people that they're looking for the suspects are going to be uh members of that High School mhm there were some
00:47:20
reports uh that bill might have been bullied by some upper classman now no one give really specific incidents of
00:47:28
him being attacked or being picked on at school other than there were a couple people that said on more than one
00:47:35
occasion during choir practice you know while he's at choir there were several upper classmen that seemed to go to the
00:47:42
choir room and kind of stare down some of the kids in the choir bill being one of them right
00:47:48
because when you go to high school you normally have like freshman English class well who's in freshman English
00:47:53
class freshman right mhm you have sophomore math class or whatever there's those classes that have a overlap so
00:48:00
choir being one or like jazz band or like even gym class sometimes would have a overlap right so this would give Bill
00:48:08
the opportunity to be in contact with some of these upper classman you're exactly right okay so let's talk about
00:48:15
these notes and let's talk about the things going on at school um regarding the notes that he received before his
00:48:23
death these are items that are being held somewhere in an Evidence Locker in the U Franklin County Sheriff's
00:48:31
Department these are these are notes that his remaining family members are a little unclear of and they're not
00:48:39
actually certain that they've seen these notes so Kathleen and Bob who are active
00:48:44
in this investigation are not really able to clue Us in as to what these notes are we have some vague
00:48:51
descriptions of these notes but like I said some of them were written some were typed and some were letters and words
00:48:57
cut out of magazines and newspapers uh the sheriff's department does not comment on these letters other than
00:49:04
stating that they were investigating if Bill was the actual author of these letters and I say that because remember
00:49:14
the polygraph test that they gave bill that they requested of him once they saw signs that he might have been deceptive
00:49:21
during those polygraph tests that's probably why they're starting to look at him being a possible author of these
00:49:28
notes one big question I have regarding those notes are which ones were written which ones were typed and which ones
00:49:34
were uh cut out of magazines and received by whom you know if all the handwritten letters and notes were
00:49:42
received by Bill and the typed ones and the ones that are cut out in newspapers and magazines were received by his best
00:49:48
friend and his girl friend I would really wonder if Bill actually authored those those notes cuz one of the
00:49:56
theories that you know gets me is you know as far as the the autoerotic fixation Theory doesn't make a lot of
00:50:02
sense to me but a possible like you know maybe it was a suicide m in the sense of
00:50:10
well you know whatever is going on in my head I'm going to go take a walk and I got this scarf and if I tie it really
00:50:17
tight and cut off my Airway that uh and I throw these gloves on that once it gets difficult to breathe that maybe I
00:50:28
won't be able to take off the scarf mhm that that would be my idea and so but then what if cuz like what the coroner
00:50:36
said is what was really the heart attack because of the so what if he tied the scarf super tight he can't breathe he
00:50:45
has these gloves on before it gets to the point where he would probably struggle to save himself you know he he
00:50:51
passes out and so that that is a possibility and like you said if he's writing these letters then maybe he's
00:50:59
just writing these letters or talking about these attacks that maybe never happen as a way to get attention yeah or
00:51:07
to cover up some kind of thing that he was doing on his own MH I actually I don't think but what would that thing be
00:51:15
I mean you're just tossing that out as a overall blanket idea well I'll get into
00:51:20
that a bit here because I don't think that suicide is the right word for any this I think that what we're dealing
00:51:27
with here is either a homicide or an accidental death um not a suicide so there is one report that one of the
00:51:36
teachers at Bill's high school at wesland high school told law enforcement that at one point Bill had asked that
00:51:44
teacher how to pass out how to make yourself pass out M I couldn't find I don't know how credible this is um this
00:51:53
is something that I found on a website somewhere I didn't find it in a newspaper I couldn't find any other
00:51:58
reports of this actually being a real thing okay but what I'm getting at here is that possibly could have happened he
00:52:08
could have asked somebody that or could have had these weird conversations maybe
00:52:12
with some of his friends now Kathleen and Bob they don't believe that a good number of his friends were interviewed
00:52:18
about this you know we have the law enforcement stating that you know we talked to everybody that knew bill um
00:52:24
and they say that a lot of his friends weren't spoken to by the police I don't know what information they could offer
00:52:31
um but here's here's where I have a problem with this being a homicide the first thing is that the parents state
00:52:40
that bill would have not left the home without telling them where he was going and I believe this I believe this
00:52:47
because everybody that's been in the newspaper anybody that knew bill has always said he was extremely close with
00:52:53
his family and his parents and and he was also uh a very responsible kid you know we talked about him being a good
00:52:59
student and talking about him having a paper route uh so I believe this so their statement to the Sheriff's
00:53:06
Department is this has to be a murder because he would not have committed suicide and Bill would have had to have
00:53:12
been abducted from either their front porch or from their front yard because he wouldn't have left on his own right
00:53:19
but there's a few problems I have with this the one being that that these homes are close together there's small homes
00:53:26
there are small Lots uh this this area when I lived there 15 years ago was a very quiet area at 9:00 at night
00:53:35
especially during the week mhm if Bill was abducted you would think that somebody would have heard something that
00:53:42
there might have been a struggle Bill 6 foot tall 175 lbs uh I I feel his father's in the
00:53:51
garage with the door open working on the car mhm it almost seems to me like if he
00:53:56
was abducted all bill would have had to do especially after having been you know
00:54:01
in two situations like this before already being in fear all he would have had to do was shout out or yell or
00:54:07
scream and his father would have hurt him or a neighbor would have heard him so I have a problem with the fam's
00:54:14
thought that he was abducted and then later found strangled to death and I'm going back to the first two uh attacks
00:54:23
as part of this problem one being the night that he was coming home from his friend's house where he was attacked in
00:54:29
the woods and somebody places a bag over his head in an inner tube around his neck to choke him out I have a problem
00:54:37
with the inner tube that seems like a strange thing for an attacker to bring to an area in the woods maybe lying
00:54:45
there waiting for somebody I mean how would you know that the the letters to me if Bill's receiving threatening
00:54:51
letters it almost seems like Bill is targeted maybe he was targeted after this first attack I don't know but
00:54:57
having the inner tube there seems like a strange thing it doesn't seem like a strange thing to me with somebody being
00:55:02
on a bike Bill might have had an inner tube you know a lot of people will bring an inner tube with them in case they get
00:55:08
a flat tire out somewhere they can change the tire themselves and ride home well right so you're saying that
00:55:14
possibly he's playing like the blackout game yes or something of that nature that that he was getting some kind of
00:55:21
high or or maybe this was something taught to him by a friend friend this is pretty common actually I I'd say
00:55:28
probably every generation that people go through this period of you know the the
00:55:32
blackout game or the fing game speed dreaming there's a bunch of different names for it so let's go back to the
00:55:39
first attack I've looked at where that school in the woods behind the school are located mhm and I know where his
00:55:46
friend's house was and I know where his home was creeper the woods was actually out of his way and he did not need to go
00:55:52
through the woods to get home first of all second of all it was not a shorter route you know like kids often would
00:56:00
take shorter routes cut through people's yards and cut through the woods I get that yeah but it would have been faster
00:56:06
for him to take the the roads from his friend's home to his house it was completely out of the way yeah but maybe
00:56:13
he just preferred it I get that I get that but it seems strange and then second of all we have the second attack
00:56:19
he's out on his own and he's unaccounted for for 5 to 6 hours mhm that seems strange to me too I I have so many so
00:56:27
many issues with with this case claiming that you were attacked while you're collecting money for your paper route
00:56:34
might give you excuse not to have a paper route anymore and on none of these occasions was he robbed and on the two
00:56:41
occasions that he comes home from these attacks there's nothing on his clothes to indicate any type of struggle other
00:56:49
than the bruising on his neck and that this this poor kid was had passed out or was unconscious for some period of time
00:56:56
right but how do you explain these marks could he could have choked himself he could have blacked out himself he no no
00:57:02
that's what I'm saying but I'm saying let's say you're trying to play the blackout game you're just curious right
00:57:07
maybe you played the blackout game with your buddies and you're like you know what that was kind of weird a weird
00:57:12
feeling I kind of want to experience that again I mean again he's a 14-year-old boy I mean we do some dumb
00:57:19
stuff you know so he's sitting there and he's like okay I want to try this by myself then he goes home and they're
00:57:26
like what the hell's on your neck right and then he's like well what happened was I was attacked and that's what was
00:57:32
happening and then what he did was well I'll make up these notes because then if
00:57:37
I make up these notes then that covers my tracks even more yeah the first attack is weird because the police do go
00:57:43
to that spot in the woods and they find the bicycle they find the inner tube and
00:57:47
they find the bag everything that Bill said would be there was there why would he leave his bike maybe he came to and
00:57:54
and panicked and and freaked out and just went home on foot and like you said now he's at home he's got to he's got to
00:58:01
explain for his whereabouts he's got to explain why he doesn't have his bike um now we also have this situation where
00:58:08
he's coming home from his paper R he's unaccounted for for five or six hours he comes home and he looks like he's been
00:58:13
attacked as far as the choking goes um and now he's got to explain to his parents why they have to take him to the
00:58:20
hospital I just don't see any sign of abduction or struggle or attack other than this choking thing the rumors of
00:58:29
abduction really kind of came after M and then we have the volume why was there valume in his system that's
00:58:37
strange to me too but I I don't think that anybody would have made him or forced him to take valume and then kill
00:58:45
him that doesn't make any sense to me I he he would have died or been close to death pretty quickly after having been
00:58:53
quote unquote abducted from his front yard I don't know how much time it would take vume to get into his system but I
00:58:58
think this is something that he took on his own I wouldn't be surprised if this was something that was we could find no
00:59:05
reason that it was prescribed to him but we're talking about 1979 and 1980 is there a possibility that when he was
00:59:12
seeking medical attention for the second attack that a doctor he he received a shot that night according to his sister
00:59:19
is there a chance that a doctor said you know what here's some of these here's some of these pills and when you're
00:59:25
feeling weird bill or not feeling good about things you can take one of these and it'll help you relax mhm so there's
00:59:30
a possibility he could have receed those from an actual doctor or hospital but not actually have been prescribed the
00:59:37
medicine we don't have Bill's parents around anymore to verify how he would have received that volume nor could I
00:59:45
find anything from his parents discussing the volume in the newspapers at the time well you were telling me
00:59:51
earlier about an interesting point about the second attack yeah the the one thing
00:59:54
about the second attack remember he states that he was choked from behind with a rope uh these two white dudes
01:00:01
teenagers early 20s they jump out of this car they jump him and the way that he makes this this sound and the way
01:00:07
that it sounds in the newspaper is that he was along his newspaper route these are homes that are close together that
01:00:13
he was attacked there and basically choked and left for dead thrown into some bushes or underneath a tree I
01:00:19
wonder you know if we could get a better a better report of that actual attack because had he been abducted and taken
01:00:27
elsewhere that would make more sense to me because I cannot believe that in this
01:00:31
neighborhood he that that a boy that a 14-year-old boy just lie there lifeless almost for five and a half six hours on
01:00:39
the side of a sidewalker in somebody's front yard or sidey yard and nobody discovers him during this 5 and a half
01:00:46
six hour time period and he eventually wakes up and walks himself home well and I think your theory makes a lot of sense
01:00:52
uh I would just argue that there was item found uh with uh Bill's body and they you know they were able to pull DNA
01:01:01
off these items yeah okay so there's the items found with him there's there's one
01:01:05
item in particular that uh the family points to and this was a knife was found in the area of where Bill was found and
01:01:13
their thought is it's possible that this knife was used to abduct bill that's why
01:01:18
he was silent during theu abduction um and that whoever killed Bill would have thrown him there into the ditch and then
01:01:27
discarded of the knife uh before leaving the scene well there's possibly DNA on the scarf as well correct so I've I've
01:01:36
seen several reports that in late 2013 and early 2014 they were going to test these items as early as 200 I believe
01:01:47
2012 okay um I've heard conflicting results on these tests I've heard some reports that the items still to this
01:01:56
date have never been tested that's the main rumor that uh I hear as well and then the other rumor is that these items
01:02:03
were tested and they weren't able to come up with any new leads based off of their findings on these items I wonder
01:02:11
uh as far as the knife goes let's describe this knife it was described by Kathleen his Bill's sister as basically
01:02:18
a knife that you would find in somebody's kitchen it had a wooden handle um it was not a knife that the
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recognized to be from their home um it also could simply just be trash you know this was along the the railroad tracks
01:02:33
uh he was found you know there were beer bottles in the area there were car parts
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possible that this could just be trash well and one of the other rumors about the DNA is that there was not enough to
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sample that they' have this destroyed and it's funny to me because think about how many cases that we cover and we
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learn week by week we learn something mhm and what did we learn last week was it PCR yes so you know there you know
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you're reading about this case and they go well we don't have enough DNA evidence to to test it we're afraid
01:03:05
we'll contaminate it and then you go wait but PCR is like basically a photocopier so why aren't we
01:03:11
implementing this in this case and if it's about money I think the thing maybe not the knife cuz like you said it's a
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very possib very good possibility that this knife was just thrown out as trash or just left there you know some kids
01:03:25
were playing uh with their mom's kitchen knife and just was like ah just leave it
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here littering don't do it that's what it comes down to a bunch of litterers pick
01:03:35
up your pick up your trash you you piece of trash um no so I I agree with you there there's those items there that to
01:03:44
me are sketchy but I think the thing here is if we can pull DNA evidence off of his neck his scarf anything that they
01:03:52
could get that was connected to him not on those surroundings but connected to him if they're able to test that if
01:03:58
they're not but they're able to duplicate with PCR then do that then test it now is there somebody else's DNA
01:04:05
other than bills right because if it's just bills then your theory makes the most sense but if there's somebody
01:04:13
else's the suspect or the you know or The Killers not the suspects The Killers went to his high school he knew them
01:04:20
through high school they were upper classmates the thing that I lean towards your theory about
01:04:27
is why would you when you went to pick on an individual wouldn't you punch him mhm
01:04:34
hold him down do something I mean it seems like strangling the individual is you know is not the first thing you
01:04:42
would do when attacking somebody yeah or possibly that you'd strangle them with your hand you know you'd be in a fist
01:04:48
fighter or or maybe they're not even fighting back but you'd strangle with your hand before you would use a bag
01:04:55
with a uh you know a tire tube and if they have the tire tube can can we you know what kind of tire tube did did Bill
01:05:05
have you know so I don't know I mean it leans that way the re the only reason why I lean that way cuz I would assume
01:05:11
that if somebody's bullying him that there would be a punch or something thrown first bill would have a black eye
01:05:18
you know not just marks around his neck yeah and okay let's I'm going to go back
01:05:22
to the DNA real quick before we get before I get into the bullying but the DNA that we're that you're talking about
01:05:28
that was found on his scarf um was reported as bodily some kind of bodily fluid right um which could have been the
01:05:36
puke that's what I'm getting at we all we now know that that bill vomited at some point uh and it very well could
01:05:43
have been Bill Bill's vomit on that that scarf um so I question I question that and I'm like like you said let's test
01:05:51
that stuff and if it's bills we got to move on from this this thing what's irresponsible here is that I really feel
01:05:58
that we're 30 some years later and I I think there's enough to question if this is a homicide or not I would love for
01:06:06
law enforcement to come out and say definitively one way or the other it remains technically a homicide because
01:06:14
it's on the books as such uh that's what his sister believes it is as well and so
01:06:18
does Bob and his and I believe his family always believed that he was killed and that he was murdered
01:06:24
um I don't mean to go against his family at all um I simply just want answers exactly like they do regarding the
01:06:32
bullying uh you mentioned something you know this would have had have been upper
01:06:36
classman I I agree with you 100% on that the other thing is if these people were
01:06:42
not just they weren't just upper classmen if it if he was in fact murdered it wasn't just somebody that
01:06:47
had access to his school that attended his school this was also somebody that fit into that neighborhood that didn't
01:06:53
seem out of place in that neighborhood because there's nobody other than bill on three separate attacks to say hey I
01:07:00
saw this guy or these guys or these group of people driving around and this aqua colored older car that that he said
01:07:07
was probably a Ford Falcon or something that looked like a Ford Falcon do yourself a favor Google an older model
01:07:14
uh Aqua Ford Falcon that is not that could not have been a common car back in 1979 1980 not the pictures that I saw
01:07:21
this is a car that in my opinion would have stood out this is a car in my opinion that had they gone to the school
01:07:27
they probably could have asked about 50 people and said you know who drives one of those so and so drives one of those
01:07:33
yeah uh it would have been an easy thing to come up with the other thing regarding the bullying is when
01:07:40
interviewing his girlfriend and and his friend that received these threatening notes as well Captain don't you believe
01:07:46
you know both of us you know in a high school setting don't you believe that if you receive some kind of threatening
01:07:52
note you might have some clue who put that in your locker yeah yeah no I I think so but or or at least out of the
01:08:00
three of you you might have some speculation as to who did it yeah I think you know I think you could come up
01:08:06
with somebody going oh so and so doesn't like me or so and so's mad that I'm dating this girl or so and so doesn't
01:08:12
like my buddy or started a fight with my buddy I think you would have a small list of people that would be likely
01:08:18
suspects in the notes themselves well but I also take back what I was saying before you know when saying the bullies
01:08:24
would probably punch him in the face if you think about stuff like um H What's that show um da and confused you know
01:08:33
the these upper classmen would just jump out of the car all they're doing is holding down the individual and then
01:08:38
spanking them I say that only what what I mean by that that's a horrible thing to do to anybody but what I mean only by
01:08:46
that is they're not punching them right to get the so this could have been just some sick thing they're doing like a
01:08:52
form of hazing all right but this could be some kind of sick form of hazing mhm and so yeah these these two individuals
01:09:00
for whatever reason pick Bill and then they go after him and they grab him and then they just we'll tie this around his
01:09:06
head and then we'll we'll run off mhm but but the threatening letters the the the notes that he's getting don't sound
01:09:14
like some kind of taunting as towards hazing you know I get you are next yeah that sounds like oh you know remember we
01:09:21
choked that one kid now we're going to we're going to choke you in our little hazing weird hazing thing that we do but
01:09:27
one of the notes says blood will spill that sounds like murder that sounds like some kind of severe attack the other one
01:09:33
stating something like bill has three months left uh spend them wisely or something like that you know this again
01:09:41
like I said there's so many things that you brought up that I think are super valid points and then the other side of
01:09:46
me goes but the people that were closer to this case than me me and you could you know ever be as his siblings mhm and
01:09:53
for them to come out and say look this doesn't you know it's a 14-year-old boy that you know maybe was just you know
01:09:59
had this weird phase for a while where he was making himself pass out that's a very good possibility there is a good
01:10:07
possibility that he was just being harassed by somebody and that these individuals for whatever reason maybe it
01:10:13
just started out as a haze and they're like oh well this you know this actually went too far now we got to get rid of
01:10:19
him mhm that's that's a good possibility too and I but I think you know what I know what his sister's doing is she has
01:10:26
a Facebook page they've posted a lot of information uh about that school and now
01:10:32
what's great about like webs Luthers is they can actually go online and pull up the yearbook for wesland high school M
01:10:40
um wesland High School in Columbus Ohio and and look through uh and look through these Pages yeah and and if he
01:10:49
was murdered to me 100% I believe you find those those individuals in that book well I think a big problem with
01:10:58
this case is aen Taupe the one who started writing these other letters that were not connected to anything I think
01:11:06
that I think that the police probably had their suspicions as to whether this was an actual homicide or not and I
01:11:12
think on once those letters started well there was a big scare in that neighborhood by people receiving these
01:11:18
letters and even by people that weren't receiving these these letters and so the
01:11:23
police a job they had a duty to that Community to go in there and determine who's writing these letters because
01:11:29
everybody in the neighborhood immediately thinks these are coming from whoever killed poor Bill Comin and I
01:11:36
think that once they were already confused about their own investigation they get involved in this letter writing
01:11:44
investigation and I think the police for a long time for those few months that those letters are being received I think
01:11:49
they thought that if they could find the author of those letters that they would
01:11:53
find the killer of bill and when then that that didn't work out when that turned out not to be Bill's killer I
01:12:00
think maybe they reverted back to their original thought of this might not be a homicide and what I mean where I think a
01:12:07
big Interruption is alen Taupe is I think that those months would have been better spent they definitely they
01:12:13
definitely did a lot of work on this case they did a lot of work trying to figure out who that letter writer was
01:12:18
they could have spent those hours and those days going back and actually clearing up within a year within months
01:12:25
of his death determining the actual cause of death and and maybe getting it right well and I wish you know there was
01:12:32
more than one polygraph test yeah because because I don't know how much that proves I mean we I don't I actually
01:12:38
don't I don't I don't look to that polygraph for anything really because I don't I I think I think giving a
01:12:45
polygraph to a 14-year-old boy or girl I think is strange I think especially if he was in
01:12:52
fact attack you could make a child feel like they're guilty of something that they had no had
01:12:59
nothing to do with and just by putting him in the chair and submitting him to that test he could come off as deceitful
01:13:07
just because he's now in a situation and in a setting where he feels you made him
01:13:11
feel like he's done something wrong and I would love to know if that DNA was actually tested if so I would love to
01:13:17
know what the results are I know people are going to send us things that they've
01:13:20
seen But like we've said we've heard both sides of the coin that yes they have been done nothing came back or that
01:13:27
they've not been done I worry that the sheriff's department this many years later believes that it's not actually a
01:13:34
homicide and they might not be technically working the case if that's if that in fact is their stance on it I
01:13:41
would love for them to say you know what Co means family let's sit down let's review the boxes of evidence that we
01:13:47
have let's review this together because they are owed some answers they are owed
01:13:52
some answers in this case and their o closure yeah even even if it's just law enforcement coming out and stating yes
01:14:00
we are on your side we believe this was a homicide or no we still think that this was an accidental death and I and
01:14:06
all the people that write suicide or even the autoerotic exfix stuff I think that's a little too I think that's a
01:14:15
little irresponsible I think that this in my opinion I lean towards accidental death here and I think that's the right
01:14:22
term I and I welcome I welcome anybody else's thoughts on it because there's I my when I sit down and look at this
01:14:28
thing captain my opinion changes daily as to whether he was killed or whether this was an accidental death
01:14:35
yeah well again I think sometimes people throw out these theories and they have no evidence to back it uph so you know I
01:14:42
think look I but I do think like I said before there's enough information online
01:14:47
and that maybe that the whbs Luther Community could help out in some way the True Crime community and in some way
01:14:54
possibly could dive into this case a little bit and maybe uncover some new leads that's the hope of his sister the
01:15:00
other thing too is you know like we said our you know what we kind of lean towards or what kind of makes the most
01:15:06
sense was this was some kind of accidental um death the other thing too is if we do have these letters why can't
01:15:14
we pull DNA off the letters that were written right so and if it's if it's if it's about funding well it's this simple
01:15:22
you know the the siblings can contact us can contact True Crime garage and we'll
01:15:26
we'll pull the the True Crime Community together and we'll get this tested ourselves if it's about financials so um
01:15:36
I you know it'd be great for that community and for the family to get some closure on this case yes and I truly
01:15:42
hope that Kathleen and Bob uh Bill's brother and sister receive the answers and the information that they need and
01:15:49
deserve uh his parents deserve that information and and that closure as well unfortunately they did not get it you
01:15:56
can follow you can actually follow Bill coin and billin family at Twitter um so if anybody's looking for updates on the
01:16:03
case hopefully hopefully there are updates um you can do that at Bill comans well it's a really interesting
01:16:10
case one I never heard of uh till this week and it was a Columbus case so uh do we have a recommended reading for this
01:16:17
week we do this week we are recommending the Pierre Hotel Affair this is a true story of one of the most famous unsolved
01:16:24
heist in American history in 1972 someone well I should say some ones stole $28 Million worth of jewels from
01:16:33
New York City's Pierre Hotel you know this would make a great movie Captain anyway a group of men arrived at the
01:16:39
hotel dressed in tuxedos they very quickly attacked the security guards and took Hotel staff and guest hostage uh
01:16:47
when they finally left the hotel they departed with $28 Million worth of jewels and they left in limousines if
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you would like to if you like a good heist or you like a good who done it check out the Pierre Hotel Affair and
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