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Right In because we are about waste deep in this whole meline mccan disappearance
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and investig a we already covered a lot of stuff yesterday and still a ton more to get to today we want to start looking
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at items and does it Point towards guilt or innocence and of who specifically the
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mccan family so what we'll do is we'll start the day that she went missing which or the night she went missing May
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3rd correct so we have the timeline we discussed the timeline uh yesterday and but there's some things to look at
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inside of this timeline first of first of all the the number of times that the the persons involved being questioned
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seemed a little light to me Captain it seemed like you know that that they didn't sit down with these key players
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to to produce this timeline what it was wasn't until 7 Days Later yeah so on May
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3rd they kind of got a rough idea of what happened but I don't know if they actually jotted down these notes or not
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they're they also talked to some of the individuals that worked at the hotel but
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again they were more focused on the search which you know makes sense at the time uh again I think investigators
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should have looked at this as the worst case Poss you know worst case scenario and also when you're showing up to a
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scene and the mother is saying hey the window was open somebody took my daughter make that a crime scene uh they
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didn't do that so there's some inconsistencies here now they didn't get the tapis 9's statements till about 7
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days later so that's a law and then investigation but some of the stuff with the tapis 9's stories don't line up with
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each other correct and some of that could be chocked up to well it was 7 days later and you just went through
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this worldwi uh 48 Hours of non-stop searching for this little girl one big problem that we have with the timeline
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itself is that it doesn't actually line up with what is given information given to them by uh employees and staff at the
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resort itself right there seems to be a discrepancy that could go what about 30 minutes um what do you think about that
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just jumping off the page there before we get into the timeline itself the discrepancy between the resort staff and
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the the the tapa KN again I believe that yeah you look for the girl you do a search but as you're looking for the
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girl you're possibly looking for somebody that took the girl MH so I I get that but they should have locked
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down that scene for sure but as far as like the stories lining up I don't know if it points to a guilty or innocent for
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as far as the mccains go so to me it's like just a mute point was bad investigation I can't go back and fix it
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we can and the these individuals were only questioned one time uh this case has gone on for 10 years they could have
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been questioned more often to see if maybe they remembered something differently so as far as the story is
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not lining up with the resort or with themselves I don't think it points to innocence nor guilt the thing here is
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you know you know I don't want to sound like we're laying it on the investigators too too heavy because you
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know the the problem is when you walk into a situation like this you can't go okay time out and freeze time and take a
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look at everything and and and cover all your bases no everything is still happening around you if in fact you
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could do is lock down that scene yeah correct and if in fact she's been abducted
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well she could be potentially getting further and further away from you and that scene just within minutes and hours
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of of your presence correct okay so the other issue we have here is and I'm going to point to something that we
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talked about last week when we covered the fifth nail one thing that I was really impressed with was the way that
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they handled that investigation and the thing that impressed me the most was we had several investigators coming out and
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saying you know what we're looking into something that there's no profile for we've never showed up to a home before
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and seen a family taken out and then we have abducted people from that same scene there's we've never seen this
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before we don't know how to react to this right and that's what you're doing in the early stages of an investigation
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you're ultimately reacting to the scene that you are finding and what you're are
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finding within that scene so I think one thing that they did really well in the in the fifth nail investigation was they
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broke off into two teams and they said okay one team you're going to focus on the abduction finding the the children
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the other team you're going to focus on the crime scene and in this this murder situation that we found here right I
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know that's tough to do in a lot of situations but you know if you if you can walk into a scene and you can say
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we're not really sure what we're looking at here we don't know if this is an abduction or if something happened on
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site if you could break off into those two groups and focus and say you know what mom and dad and all of your friends
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we're going to have to sit you down and we're going to have to talk through this
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while we don't worry don't worry we are not stopping you from finding your children we are we are covering our
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bases we're getting much needed very important information because one we want to find out if we can narrow down
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what time the girl was taken that's very important so Mom and Dad we asking you to sit down your friends to sit down we
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need to discuss this at length meanwhile there will be a lot of there were hundreds of people that night there will
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be people out there looking for meline while we cover this process and a lot of the reports were stating one of the
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things that makes them look guilty is that they were just kind of around Apartment 5 a and they weren't actually
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looking themselves but again they called in authorities right they didn't it wasn't
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like that the resort had to call on authorities they asked for the the authorities to be there correct and so
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does that point to them being guilty or innocent neither because they might have
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just been doing what the authorities told them to do I think it points to their innocence and the fact that they
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did call for authorities and then when those authorities showed up and things didn't seem to like make sense cuz the
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mother stated right away look this girl was abducted and when they started saying well it's possible that she ran
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off she's going look there's an open window there's evidence that points to that she was abducted another key piece
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of evidence in this whole thing at in the early stage of the investigation is that Kate McCain she uh she would state
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that she wanted the FBI involved M she wanted higher authorities because this town wasn't known to have a big law
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enforcement presence and so she wanted higher ups to come in and help now if you're guilty why would you want that
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the other thing here Captain this might be something that the investigators were
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very inexperienced at I don't have the numbers in front of me but I read one report stating that uh Portugal has a
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significantly lower child abduction rate than a lot of other countries out there
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so might be something that is foreign to them um so let's take a look at the Timeline real quick is there anything
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that that jumps off of the page immediately the first the first thing that I look at here is we have the kids
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quote unquote daycare center where you can take the kids to be dropped off they can be they can be watched by their's
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nannies at the resort right um now so our first question about the mcan's behavior
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would be well if you're going out to dinner why not take your kids to to this Center to to be watched by nannies by
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professional people and they can be picked up after I think most people that look into this case all pretty much
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agreed that what they did was uh you know some form of neglect and some some form of bad parenting yes uh I can kind
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of understand it and we differ from this because I've seen video footage where the mccains are sitting at the bar at
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the tapis and they they take a video footage and they zoom in and they can see their their sliding glass door from
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where they're sitting so would that make you feel a little bit more comfortable yeah but there's Street access to that
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sliding glass door that you're leaving unlocked and possibly the front door is possibly unlocked as well so uh you know
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it's it's definitely a form of neglect well and what the captain means by he and I differ on something it's about we
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we disagree on whether the MCCS could see the back patio to their apartment or not now I want to throw this out there
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in the C this is actually I'm going to defend the captain not myself even though we disagree I watched some video
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footage that was presented as well as some photographs taken from an area of that toa's restaurant right now I was
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told by the person conducting the video as well as the person that released these photographs that he was or they
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were positioned about where the MC's were from his position you could not see their patio you could see the top of
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their apartment but this is why this is how I'm defending the captain once I saw
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the photograph and a video thing I didn't look any further so there could be other angles out there there could be
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other evidence to uh to go against what I'm saying here but what I found the limited amount the small sample size
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that I saw you couldn't see that area the regarding the daycare itself Captain you know you mentioned it was about 15
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bucks an hour maybe they were being cheap my kind of kind of the way I lean here and I agree with you I I 100% that
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there's negligence on the on the part of the MC right the thing here is I I question did did that daycare did it
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close at like 900 p.m. and this would be after they would they you know not a desirable time to return home uh the
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other thought here is a lot of people a lot of parents are big about keeping very small kids on a certain schedule
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and they don't like to they don't like to stray from that schedule too much I wonder if it's because it's past their
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bedtime they thought they could just simply put the kids to bed and come in and check on them from time to time um
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right a lot of that is neither here nor there because you know we can't go back and change that but the fact of the
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matter is as far as Behavior goes there's nobody in the resorts that ever said that Jerry or Kate McCain were
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acting strange in any way nor did they say any of the tapis 9 were any of them were acting
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strange now we have the we also have the situation of the last photograph taken of meline um this being where the
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parents say that the picture was taken at almost 2:30 p.m. uh the clock on the camera reads about 1:30 p.m. and the can
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simply later state that the clock is off on the camera by 1 hour do you do you find any suspicious Behavior here or
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anything that points towards uh this would you know showing some of gu I think it's one of those points that
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people bring up in this case like that it like it's a big deal uh cuz we were talking about this earlier it's kind of
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like the Brandon Lawson case you feel like if you can solve one line that maybe you can solve the whole case right
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and I think any big case like this I mean John B R Casey Anthony there becomes these minute details and if you
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can solve that then you can solve the whole thing so I think people that bring up this last picture um look there's you
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know because they were trying to figure out the last time that that she's seen alive and so the and the reason why
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they're doing that is because they're trying to say well if we make this window bigger right right and she
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actually has a picture taken at 1:30 and not 2:30 that gives them less of a time
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for there to be an accident or for them to accidentally o overdose her and then hide her body right there's a couple
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problems with that we have one of the tapis N that claims that he saw her about 6:30 but there's also on record I
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think like 5 530 that people from the resort saw her so again this picture doesn't matter because we already have
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people seeing her afterwards and that leads us to our next thing here we have David P
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who just after 6:30 he stops off at the tennis court he talks to Jerry mccan for
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a second and according to what report you hear either Jerry asked David to go check on Kate and the children at their
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apartment in 5A or David ask him oh where's Kate and the kids and then decides to go up there um it doesn't
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matter who ask who what in my opinion uh but like the captain said we have David
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Payne saying that he sees meline during this time one thing that has fallen into
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question the lead investigator uh on this early in the investigation who has I should point out has been removed as
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far as being the lead investigator in this um he points out a major inconsistency here he states that he has
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some reports from the topest N stating that David Payne was at the mccan apartment for close to 30 minutes where
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you have Kate mccan stating he was there for more like 30 seconds or 1 minute he's there for a very brief time period
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again a lot of these details that they're asking him about come 7 days later after 48 48 Hours of crazily crazy
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is that even a word crazily is that that's a word that's I just made I'm going to stick with that crazily looking
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for this three-year-old child that's on the vocab test in the computer yeah imputer imputer land um sorry about that
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but the thing here is it's look it it's Fourth of July we're a little loose sorry I think to me to me this does
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matter because after this guy leaves after David Payne leaves well we only have the M after that saying that mine's
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okay and that she's at the apartment so to me this 30 seconds to 30 minutes does
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matter uh the problem I have here is why can't you just why can't you just tell me that you know there should be
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there should be a way to figure this out you if you have multiple people saying one story is true compared to the other
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then you would likely believe that that story a is is more believable because you have other accounts of that same
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well okay here's why it doesn't matter that much one you should question them again but they didn't uh they should
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have question them multiple times they should have question them that night they should question the next day they
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should have they should have seven days of stories MH and and then look some of that stuff is going to change but all
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that changes the time window is by 30 minutes so it either goes from four you know maybe 4 hours to 3 hours I know I
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just said 30 minutes but it's it it doesn't change it that much I mean we're talking about maybe he sees them at 6:30
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maybe he stays till 7:00 so then the police are called about 10:00 right so you got a three-hour window that
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something happened and then you're going to have to and now you're going to have
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to hide this body now mind you that at 6:30 when he's talking with um Jerry McCain he has an hourlong tennis lesson
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so he's not even getting back to the room for another hour right so he his tennis lesson would have started at 6
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and it would have finished at 7 so he would have he would have been returning depending on Whose story you believe uh
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he would be returning right around the time that David Payne would be leaving if in fact David Payne was there for
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approximately 30 minutes right and does this matter maybe it matters because it changes as far as the timeline goes but
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it doesn't Point either innocence or guilt towards the mccains so we have a situation here Captain where we have
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Jerry and Kate mccan they're arriving at the toas restaurant approximately 8:35 um it says that they are the first
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couple of the group to arrive and now we know that all of these group members are
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leaving children behind in their rooms and checking on them periodically now I've heard you know usually when I when
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I've talked about this case with with friends and and whoever in the past you know because this case has been so
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popular it's Nots it's not the first time that it's been you know brought up as far as over drinks right uh but the
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question I first hear people say not asking me indirectly just asking everybody is who goes out to dinner and
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leaves their kids at home well in this situation all of them did every every parent in the group did the only person
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there without children was was a grandmother well and mind you that you know if you if you have a sick feeling
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about this to make you feel a little more sick they did this this is the sixth day of doing this right the sixth
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night yeah there's there's conflicting stories of that but this was not five nights yeah this was definitely not the
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first time at at the very least it was the fourth or fifth time that they had done it on the trip it sounds like it's
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very possible they did this every night that it was a very routine trip that they you know they did a dropped the
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kids off at the daycare during the day went out did some things spent time with the family dur you know afterwards and
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then it's kids go to bed parents go down to the topest bar in restaurant to eat and drink right now but just hear me out
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on this though I mean think about somebody that had you know decent house right you've been to a buddies they got
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a decent house they got a pool and I was just hanging out with my buddy the other
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the other week uh so he has a nice house sliding glass doors opens up to the pool
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on the other side of the pool is a little like bar area like I don't know what you want to call it's basically
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like a little Shack that he he made right now if it was at somebody's home same distance you know 50 m nobody would
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bat an ey you know they'd say oh yeah they're out by their pool bar drinking and the the back door wasn't locked
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because they could see it and the front door we're assuming is locked and then the kid goes missing I I'm batting an I
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just because of the children's age I think it's it's a little young it's a little early for that but look I'm not
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going to tell anybody how to raise their kids I'm just saying I wouldn't have done well in I believe one of the groups
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they actually had um now not the mccains but one of the other sets of parents had
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actually a baby monitor so look I I think it's definitely you know form of neglect and if the mccains could
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go back and do it all over again you think they would do that heck no here's where we have our first problem in my
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opinion you know we those are all been items that have been discussed and and really been debated uh to to to the end
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right um so far I don't see anything pointing in the the direction of guilt or not guilty um here's where we have
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our first problem in my opinion 905 uh Jerry mccan returns to the apartment I said during our timeline yesterday that
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he returned to the apartment through the unlocked patio door to check on the children now one the big problem here is
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that this story has changed that on one occasion on at least one occasion Jerry reported to the authorities that he in
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fact went through the front door uh which which he States was locked at the time went through the front locked door
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to check on the kids and on another occasion says that he went through the unlocked back patio door well let me
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explain this like I said they they did this probably five to let's just say five to six nights right mhm so the
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first couple nights what they did was people would take turns checking on each other's kids but they all locked their
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do doors and so they had to have the keys to get into the doors right so when you're asking somebody 7 Days Later he's
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not remembering one night he's remembering multiple nights so and again I think the mccains even said that the
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first few nights that they're there they actually didn't go through the SL sliding glass door uh they were actually
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going through the front door correct so again inconsistencies of stories but uh and the the police always point out that
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you know the the McCain say that they're going through the sliding glass door but
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all the other parents are saying that they're going around to the front of the building well the ones that were going
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around to the front of building were the ones that were on the second floor because that's how you got to the second
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floor so there's inconsistencies there right cuz you can't enter through your patio that's on the second floor it's a
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balcony right so is is it inconsistent is he being a nefarious I don't think so I think he's just misremembering but
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when it comes down to it what it comes down to is what he says when he opens up the door you know the door was open up a
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little bit he looks in he sees the twins but he can't necessarily see meline well
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that's only possible if you're coming through the back of the room and not through the front door because if you
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open up that front door you would have saw her first well the CU she would be the first
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person in sight the eyesight line the thing here is Captain uh we have a we have an issue because one
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would ask well why would you why would you stray from going through the front door well and and then change to the
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back door the the thing here is it's a longer route you know and it they said that they were worried about noise about
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waking the children that could be it but it's also a longer route if you look at
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the route taken to enter the patio compared to the front door you almost feel like with the front door you almost
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feel like you're walking out of the resort leaving the resort you're beond the wall you're now traveling along the
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street to get up to that front door where if you are going through the pad you pretty much feel like you're staying
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within the walls of the resort and it's almost about half the trip when you break down the time uh to get from you
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know if comparing the two the patio is about half the trip well right and if you go through the if you go through the
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back door uh backs sliding glass door you just have to peek into to the room if you go in the front door you have to
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actually go through that room so you can take a leak or whatever Jerry says that
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when he's in there he sees the the door is now open quite a bit more than what he thought that they had left it when
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they went to dinner mhm the other thing here too is he would later report you know that he he believed that he felt
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some kind of pres looking back he says he felt some kind of presence in in the apartment I I believe he did yeah um the
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thing here is well what about the window and I know we I know we kind of come to
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that at the end of their timeline but this is something we should keep an eye on and monitor as we go through the
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timeline right because right now Jerry's not reporting the window being open right right now Jerry's not reporting
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that the door to the bedroom blows shut because he created some kind of draft depending on which way he entered the
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apartment okay well the window to the wall um let's get into the window right after this quick beer
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captain and the colonel show Cheers mates all right let's not get to the window yet cuz there's something we got
00:31:00
to get to the window first right so let's say let's go with this at 9:30 this is when Kate is supposed to go back
00:31:08
up to the room and check on the kids instead we have Matt Oldfield and R Russell O'Brien they are leaving the
00:31:15
table to go check on children as well so Matt then offers that he will check on Kate's kids while he's away from the
00:31:22
table which is not going to be very hard because he can be told that the patio doors are unlocked and you can just go
00:31:29
in that way Matt and check on the kids right right we have some problems with Matthew oldfield's statements and one of
00:31:37
them being that he doesn't physically see meline mccan he states that he kind of just you know kind of peaked into the
00:31:46
door he he thought the door was open more than than what he was told it should be you know but that at the time
00:31:52
didn't matter anything to him he didn't know that the MCCS left the door closed he didn't know that Jerry found the door
00:31:57
open and then closed it more so he he notes that the door is open he just kind of peaks in he sees the twins sees the
00:32:05
twins he also just kind of listens with the old ear don't hear anything nothing nothing seems wrong here everything's
00:32:11
good I got to run and check on some other kids and then I'm back at the restaurant the other thing though that
00:32:16
he points out here the thing that I think that is very important is he also even regardless whether the door is open
00:32:23
slightly ajar all the way open whatever he does doesn't he at no time gives any evidence to point that the window is
00:32:31
open at this time either right so no evidence from Jerry or Matt that the window is open well and there's no
00:32:38
evidence of the window being open because there was multiple times that different people had to walk around to
00:32:43
the front of the building mhm so by them walking around to the front of the building maybe they looked over but they
00:32:49
would have noticed if you know cuz there's this metal like little tiny like what we talked about like a almost like
00:32:55
a garage door on over over the window M that has to be open I think people would
00:33:00
have noticed that if they walked by the front of the building right so the thing
00:33:05
here though now we have 10:00 and Kate goes to check on the room and she states definitively she's got that she's got
00:33:13
that little piece in there about the door slamming shut or the door blowing shut and I'm assuming that it's because
00:33:22
the window is open and she's created some kind of draft by opening up uh the p doors or or whatever creating a draft
00:33:29
causing the door to shut we've all experienced that before well right and and look to be fair to these parents I
00:33:37
mean look anytime that you'd have to check on kids you know you like you know my my stepson used to sleep upstairs by
00:33:45
my room if I would go to the bathroom upstairs maybe I would like you know peek in maybe I want to see both of them
00:33:51
but I kind of listen in you know so that's not uncommon you know and so I I I assume this is why it's a big deal
00:33:59
about the door moving is cuz I think when Kate went in I think a lot of these trips that the the parents were making
00:34:05
to check on their their kids MH were it was also I got to use the restroom you know we're drinking I got to take a pee
00:34:14
right right and so I think sometimes you know it's just like uh when Jerry says well I went in but I I don't really know
00:34:22
if I or when they say when they sorry I'm a little disc Barby now I can't even speak okay I'm
00:34:30
just going to keep going screw it um so I think some of them just went in to take a pee and then then they're they're
00:34:37
going to listen right and I think this time this is why it startled her is cuz I think she wasn't really going to check
00:34:44
in on them think she was just going to take a leak right right right or or Give a listen or walk by the door right and
00:34:51
that would that would suffice you know but then all of a sudden the bedroom door shuts mhm and then she's like oh
00:34:59
what's up with that so what's up with that so she opens up the door and notices the windows open right so H
00:35:10
let's let's let's not give our opinion yet on this situation right because I want to move on to the next thing she
00:35:16
then flees she then fle after looking around the apartment looking for meline she then leaves the apartment running
00:35:24
back to the restaurant to say that and there's some different accounts of what she said but the one that is is repeated
00:35:31
every single time is that she says that they have taken her or you know she's basically stating that they've that
00:35:39
she's been abducted mine's been abducted so now that to me I've never liked that statement I always thought
00:35:47
that that was a strange thing for her to say and you and I've had this conversation before and you point out a
00:35:54
very good thing there where you say well it's only strange Nick to say that until
00:35:59
you're the parent and you've seen the window wide open in the same room where your daughter was once sleeping mhm so I
00:36:06
get that I I'm on your side with that I have a little issue of her running to the restaurant I don't know that that
00:36:13
was my that would be my first go-to um but again I've never been in this situation I don't know how I would
00:36:19
react one thing that I don't like as well is is it seems that she left the the smaller children alone in the
00:36:27
apartment right to go to the restaurant to report what she believes she she found right again though we're talking
00:36:34
about a pretty small distance you know mhm uh one could argue that she could have actually stayed on you know the
00:36:41
balcony and just yelled yeah she could have shouted it from the patio and and you would think you you could hear it
00:36:47
from there um and also they they had cell phones so they could have called or text I think that would have been if I
00:36:54
could put myself in that situation if I had to be in that situation now I have the benefit of sitting here and thinking
00:37:00
about it however I think that would be the go-to for me to run out on that patio and just shout it from the
00:37:06
Mountaintop and hope that hope that rest you know Resort staff or your friends and my friends and family hear me um and
00:37:14
and all come running yeah or I mean again the thing that I haven't thought much about till
00:37:21
you you've brought it up is that she did leave her twins that's the thing which are way younger yeah remember when we
00:37:29
covered the the Columbus case where where the man said he was in the woods with his wife and small child and he
00:37:37
went ahead of the group and he discovered a man beating a woman to death and he he decided to run out of
00:37:44
the forest and run to a local business and call the police right to me that went unsolved for many many years and I
00:37:52
always thought found it to be very strange that he would leave his seemingly def defenseless wife and small
00:37:58
child behind where this Maniac is right and then run out and and call for help where yes maybe the window open points
00:38:06
to her that that that the person has fled she did check the apartment and didn't see anybody in the apartment I
00:38:12
but I think at that point they weren't airing on the side of caution before when they left the kids alone I would
00:38:18
think by this point though you are snatching up those two small children and you're taking them with you to call
00:38:23
for help right possibly or just I'm going to run out there and maybe she didn't make it all the way to the maybe
00:38:29
she only made it 20 M you know and then they came running also this would this would actually make sense on why the the
00:38:37
window was actually shut because you're looking around and you can't find your daughter and now
00:38:42
you're putting two and two together and you're going wait a second I think somebody came through this I think
00:38:47
somebody came through this goddamn window right so then you slam the window shut and then you could take off running
00:38:52
hey they they've taken her you know I need help so that would explain why you know when the detectives show up and and
00:38:59
other people say well the window wasn't open right um now let's just go over the
00:39:04
evidence on the window they did take fingerprints the only fingerprints that they found on the window or anywhere by
00:39:09
the window was from Kate right again would make sense cuz she was in that room she was in that uh Apartment 5A for
00:39:18
you know seven or 6 days at that point uh I don't think they even took um forensic stuff or finger prints for a
00:39:27
long time afterwards mhm so which is odd um another you know fail by the investigation well the thing here is
00:39:37
Captain let's discuss this window because it's been said that the window could not be it's been said that the
00:39:44
mcc's stated that the window was closed and the shutters were closed and then you have some people stating that you
00:39:51
could not open the shutter from the outside and I I'll describe the shutter it's metal slats it like the captain
00:39:58
said it looks like a small garage door that would could drop down and cover the entire window itself um it's controlled
00:40:06
by a by what people say a strap or a cord inside it's like a pulley system pulley system that would that would open
00:40:13
up this tiny little garage door and then it drops closed yeah you want to think of this as like a like a Chicago
00:40:20
storefront or New York storefront where they have the metal that slides down in front of the storefront so every morning
00:40:26
they have to lift it up you know and then you see the storefront then you pull back down when you leave for the
00:40:32
night here's a look 10 years of talking about this case 10 years of people looking into this case all they had to
00:40:39
do was test it they tested it they had a guy in his 50s maybe 60s detective all you have to do is go up put a little bit
00:40:48
of pressure on it and it lifts up a little bit and that allows you enough to open up the window and then you put your
00:40:55
hand through and pull on the pulley and it goes up look yeah but I've seen I've seen it on
00:41:01
video so but for this to work a couple things have to happen when I first looked at that window and looked at the
00:41:08
shutter I was very impressed because I'm like okay this is not just a shutter to
00:41:11
keep the lights out this is a shutter security a security shutter M it's a security issue so the thing here is when
00:41:19
I first looked at it I thought you know what that to me appears to be a shutter that you could I believe you could open
00:41:25
it from the outside just by appearance not even having seen that test conducted right my next thought was that if I were
00:41:32
to force that shutter open that I would cause significant damage to it or a good
00:41:38
deal of noise um that test that you showed me it it appears that they didn't have to create damage to the shutter and
00:41:46
it didn't seem to create much noise at all no more than it would if it was normally going up or normally going
00:41:52
closed the the issue here though is to get your hand hand inside the window then the window needs to be unlocked
00:42:00
correct that the latch lock would have to be unlocked for one to get their hand in to pull the thing the the remainder
00:42:07
of the way up yeah but I think this goes out to the investigation they didn't test this stuff early enough they didn't
00:42:14
ask the right questions about this window enough I mean I don't know if the McCain's had this window open up earlier
00:42:21
or not right and that's the thing that's the thing they were were asked from the
00:42:25
get-go know what was this window closed and was it locked and the McAn said you know what we can't state for sure we can
00:42:33
say that it was closed but we can't say definitely that it was locked and second
00:42:37
of all you know when they interviewed the staff the resort staff the cleaning crew said you know it's not uncommon for
00:42:44
us to come into an apartment and open up the windows while we're cleaning and then close them before we leave
00:42:51
therefore the M could have never even operated the window and it was left unlocked by by somebody that stayed
00:42:58
there previously or the the resort staff I think I swallowed a bug um yeah and we know that this security
00:43:08
system didn't work too well anyways because these these little uh garage doors if you will are not on the Windows
00:43:17
anymore they actually Place bars on the Windows yeah and I'll tell you what that's the selling key to me that's what
00:43:24
sold it for me Captain I you showed me that test and I thought I I might be wrong about this but what sold it for me
00:43:31
with having a background in Property Management I know that that's EXT it's so much of a budget business you know
00:43:37
you work within the budget as far as improvements go of your property right and therefore if you're doing a good job
00:43:44
you never pay for any improvements that are not needed so by The Resort placing bars over this window that tells me that
00:43:53
the people that own the property that run the property and operate it they believe that you can open up those
00:43:59
shutters and those windows from the outside and I just think with all like I said all the evidence and the little
00:44:04
tiny details of her stating that the door shut which you know you'd think that her coming in the back door would
00:44:11
create some kind of vacuum or something or some kind of current to to make the door shut so with those little details
00:44:18
to me that points to them being innocent and that this was abduction yeah I'm with you the the the things regarding
00:44:25
the window points to stranger abduction to me um I but I'm going to back that up
00:44:30
by saying that Kate's behavior during that period points to uh to their to them being guilty to to Str I I find her
00:44:41
I find her behavior to be strange so at by this point up until 10:00 kid was just abducted I understand that but but
00:44:48
up until 10:00 I have nothing pointing me in the direction of guilty or not guilty now we're sitting here at 10:00
00:44:55
10 103 and I'm I I've got one strike for guilty and one for not guilty it seems like with all these big cases you know
00:45:02
in the True Crime world there's always like one little thing about each case you know like you take West Memphis 3
00:45:09
for example I I have a hard time getting around the fact that there's an eyewitness that says Damian Eckles and
00:45:16
his girlfriend were coming out of the woods that night hard time getting around that um doesn't mean that I I
00:45:22
think he's guilty but I have a hard time getting around that now with this case we got these these cadaver dogs we got
00:45:29
these blood sniffing dogs I have a hard time getting around some of this yeah these are like specialty dogs and and I
00:45:35
say that because they they have their own unique specialty that they do so we have two we have two dogs right we we
00:45:43
have uh Eddie he's the kadab dog he's the one that can locate human remains and it's and it's just human remains
00:45:51
it's not you know animal carcasses or anything like that then we have Kila she's the blood dog and the way that
00:45:59
I've heard it described and read it in reports is that she can detect this smallest amount of blood in different
00:46:06
locations now how do they these these two dogs not only do they have their their Specialties that they're good at
00:46:14
right but they also have an extremely good track record and I think it's something like over 200 cases where
00:46:21
these dogs have been right well how do they prove that the dog is right well the dog
00:46:26
whether it be the Cav dog or the blood dog hits and alerts the Handler that there's aav or blood there later even if
00:46:33
they can't they can't see the blood they can test for it and they can find traces
00:46:39
of blood there thus backing up that these dogs have a good track record right but that's also like saying uh you
00:46:45
know LeBron James is the best because he's won uh 200 basketball games well how many did he lose you know what I
00:46:52
mean right nobody's perfect nobody but nobody is even stating how many they're they've been wrong on I can't find
00:46:59
anywhere but so here's what here's what happens is a long time afterwards over 70 days right yeah so this would be in
00:47:07
July and remember she went missing in early May mhm and so they bring in these dogs and they're going to go through
00:47:15
Apartment 5A yeah and uh amongst other places they they're going to venture down to the beach and throughout the
00:47:22
resort but it the troubles for the MCC start in the apartment yeah cuz what happens here is and you can watch the
00:47:30
these videotapes yourself on YouTube but every now and then it seems like the dog
00:47:35
handler makes like a little you know arm motion and then the dogs start barking about something uh and the dogs end up
00:47:42
barking by the W uh by by the in the family room by by the couch right and uh then somewhere in the
00:47:53
bedroom so well let me me describe these two dogs for you because not only not only do they have their their specific
00:48:01
uh job duties but they have different ways of alerting so the way that I understand it Eddie remember he's the
00:48:08
cadaver dog he is trained to only bark when he believes he's detecting a cadaver you know human remains but he
00:48:18
will he will get to a spot that he thinks that he's detecting that and he's just going to get bar you know he's
00:48:23
going to r r r RP RP now the other dog has that's not how dogs sound has a different method okay she Kela when she
00:48:32
believes that she's detected blood um she will do what I what I believe is called like a silent alert where they
00:48:39
where she will put her nose or her face on it in the direction of of what she believes that she's detected so we have
00:48:47
two different behaviors by these dogs now I will say I watched I watched the video footage from this uh and I was
00:48:57
I was I was a little confused I didn't notice the the Handler the strange movements by the Handler like you said
00:49:04
there there's people shoots his arm out there's people that are saying that the handler was directing the dogs to behave
00:49:10
a certain way I saw that outside of the apartment and we'll get to that but within the test conducted in the
00:49:17
apartment I definitely saw that the dogs seemed to be interested in the couch they were also claimed that they were
00:49:24
interested in a stuffed animal of meline that they were interested in some clothing this believe uh belonging to
00:49:32
Kate um and the thing here is though I didn't see any definitive behavior from the dogs that would lead me to believe
00:49:41
that I saw multiple times where they would walk past the the clothing they would walk past the stuffed animals they
00:49:47
the dogs were other than the couch seemed to be behaving strangely and they were hitting on the couch and as you
00:49:55
said it was the the area behind the couch that they seem to be really honing in on right and but then there also I
00:50:01
mean the caver dog went pretty nuts in the bedroom yeah um so look I mean we could go through every little my detail
00:50:10
of that video watch it if you're interested basically what the police because of these dog because of these
00:50:17
dogs and how much they've been right the the police basically the Portuguese police came out and was like you know
00:50:22
what here's what's happening what we believe is that there was an accident maybe from the couch to the window she
00:50:28
fell broke her neck or whatever and you guys covered this up because you know we have blood
00:50:35
samples now uh we got DNA and we're going to test to see if there was a a dead body in this uh in this room mhm so
00:50:46
that's what they came out and then and that's that's the that's the direction they went into this investigation they
00:50:53
stopped thinking about an inro Intruder and said look we got now we got to um you know get these get Kate and Jerry to
00:51:01
be found guilty of this but the dog the cab dog also hit on the car now this was
00:51:07
a rented car and we haven't discussed the rented car yet but they placed several vehicles and I don't just mean
00:51:13
like 20 20 to 30 vehicles in this in this parking garage and they spaced them an even amount away from one another and
00:51:24
the dogs checked all of the the vehicles but they hit on the mcan's vehicle this
00:51:31
is a rented vehicle they are they are detecting some kind of smell or hitting on smells coming from the trunk area of
00:51:38
this vehicle the strange thing though was this was a vehicle that they rented 24 24 days after she went missing after
00:51:48
she went missing so so their Theory then became that well that's no big deal because the the McCain's hit her body
00:51:57
then when they came back to Portugal they rented this vehicle and then they put her in uh to the vehicle and then
00:52:06
they drove to Spain now they actually did drive to Spain the first day to put flyers out for their missing CH for
00:52:13
their missing child but they also had a film crew with them that day so and it's
00:52:18
videotaped so the one day that they drove to Spain that the police are saying that they dumped her body
00:52:25
uh there was camera crew in the back now that camera crew was friends of theirs but again now you're going to say that
00:52:33
these these two parents that have no you know no History of Violence no history uh of any criminal activity that they
00:52:42
accidentally killed their daughter their daughter accidentally died they're covering it up and they got nine other
00:52:49
friends that are helping them cover it up and now they got this camera crew helping them cover it up it's kind of
00:52:55
far farfetched let me throw this at you too Captain because the the statement there is that they would have moved the
00:53:01
body right and hid her in what one would guess would have to be a better hiding spot right or or or cremated or or or
00:53:11
whatever some way of getting rid of the body here's the weird thing though would
00:53:15
you would you risk so at this point you've technically successfully hid that body for over 20
00:53:23
days would you would you risk being detected moving the body after you've successfully hit it for over 20 days
00:53:32
unless you hit it in a manner that would be incriminating to yourself it just makes no damn sense it's it's very
00:53:39
questionable now and now here here's what happened because we know got to move this along a little bit right no so
00:53:47
what happened then is the Portuguese police then bring Kaden for questioning right we're going to get back to the DNA
00:53:54
results and all that stuff of what the dogs found but they bring her in for questioning she goes in about like 4:00
00:54:01
5:00 she's there till like 1:00 a.m. right mhm they basically offer her a deal and the deal is we think you know
00:54:11
we lay it out we we think that it was an accidental death we think you guys covered it
00:54:17
up we think that you were involved we think that your husband was involved maybe somebody else but we're just going
00:54:23
to pin in on you two but we understand that you have young twins we understand that your husband is a physician he
00:54:30
makes a bunch of money so what we'll do is we'll just charge you with it and we'll give you we're going to give you a
00:54:36
plea deal for two years you got to spend two years in jail now all I'm saying is
00:54:43
you're off for two years you probably feel guilty anyways uh and why would you do this why
00:54:49
would you cover up your your daughter's death I don't know but if you did well this is pretty easy way out right it's a
00:54:57
very good deal for what you're being accused of it's amazing deal and she didn't take it to me that's a that's a
00:55:04
sign of her being innocent MH and that's a sign of the husband being innocent now
00:55:09
let's get back to these DNA results yes so this is a tricky item for me Captain because what I'm seeing here is that
00:55:19
they cannot rule out that the DNA and the blood they cannot rule out that it's not mine's but they cannot rule that it
00:55:27
is hers right out of 19 markers which is very low normally DNA tests have more markers than this for whatever reason
00:55:36
this test only has 19 markers now I would actually argue that there's a chance that the they have more markers
00:55:44
mhm and then so only 15 of the 19 markers matched so that doesn't rule out that it couldn't be Jerry's blood or it
00:55:52
could be um Kate's blood either right because they're you know they make up the DNA of their daughter as well so but
00:56:01
it also sounds like they couldn't rule out maybe even a stranger in in this situation you know it we we we can not
00:56:09
say that it's hers we cannot say that it's not hers right but but then there was arguments too that they feel like
00:56:16
some of the blood samples were of a male right and obviously she's a three-year-old girl so these tests are
00:56:24
so weird to me and I wish there was I looked for more stuff I I I couldn't find what I was interested too and and I
00:56:31
was hearing on some other show where they were talking about that there was definitive proof that there was a dead
00:56:37
body in uh Apartment 5A well definitive proof other than what the dogs right that's that's my problem and
00:56:49
that seems like a a bold statement to make when all when you're hearing this information second hand and all you have
00:56:55
is a dog that and like I said the behavior of those dogs I'm not a Handler I don't understand it but the behavior
00:57:02
didn't make any sense to me I didn't see a dog going directly up to an item and staying on that item right right yeah
00:57:10
yeah so and who knows but at the end of the day the only thing I could find that
00:57:14
you know showed proof that there might have been a dead body in in Apartment 5A would have been the dog's reactions but
00:57:22
as far as like some test goes I haven't seen it so again this DNA evidence doesn't prove
00:57:29
to innocence or guilt correct all right so we've talked about the mcan's quite a
00:57:34
bit now we also didn't fully we didn't fully clear the potential situation of a stranger abduction right we talked about
00:57:44
that a lot but let's get back into that because as of recent there's been some more developments as far as that being a
00:57:51
likely possibility the first is being a Man by the name of David Reed who is he well he's a convicted British sex
00:57:59
offender he moved to the area to where M mateline mccan went missing in 2004 this
00:58:06
was after being released from prison for sexually abusing young girls mhm he was
00:58:12
living approximately 30 miles from where meline was staying with her family this
00:58:17
in 2007 the other thing that the authorities are looking at is a certain a certain behavior that was going on so
00:58:28
from 2004 to 2006 in we're going to have to extend this area out I'm going to say in the
00:58:35
area but we're talking about a large area here right 30 40 miles yeah so there there's 12 break-ins and these are
00:58:44
all break-ins to to people staying there on vacation during these break-ins whomever is doing this they are
00:58:52
assaulting sexually assaulting girls that that are of the ages between 7 and 12 now I want to be clear here David
00:59:00
Reed is a suspect in at least one of those break-ins maybe a suspect in all 12 break-ins we're discussing an area
00:59:08
that is so large in fact that authorities it took them years to realize that there's a potential that
00:59:13
these are actually linked together right now as far as this investigation goes yes that behavior would fall into
00:59:22
somebody that might go into the apartment and abduct meline mccan that certainly follows that behavior people
00:59:29
breaking into different vacation homes right the problem here though Captain is in those 12 incidences that we have the
00:59:37
authorities are stating that they have over they have 38 Persons of Interest in those cases and he is he's just only one
00:59:45
of them one of 38 well and also David Reed is deceased yeah he passed away in 2013 um and they believe that he moved
00:59:56
there in 2004 because at the time Portugal had no sex offender registry yes and also uh a couple other things is
01:00:07
Not only was he maybe involved in these uh break-ins and these sexual attacks but there was also some other claims um
01:00:16
once he started becoming uh known in the community and people started saying hey
01:00:20
you got to look into this guy uh some girls came forward and made some claims now those charges were never pressed so
01:00:26
technically innocent until proven guilty uh but this guy was a traveling like he
01:00:31
would sing and play guitar and bands y uh he I I know of at least one confirmed where because of these attacks he was
01:00:42
attacked himself why he was playing oh really like they they went we know what this guy is he's a he's a pedophile uh
01:00:51
he's committed crimes he has some allegations against him he might be creating more crimes and they they pbl
01:00:58
him right in front of everybody so um does he match any of the descriptions pseudo uh right but as we mentioned
01:01:08
there there's a lot of people that would match some of those descriptions and and
01:01:12
I actually in my opinion um he's he's not as close as some of the the you know he's not as close as Jerry
01:01:21
mccan in my opinion very true um but but yeah he vaguely matches the description
01:01:27
yeah so one of the other theories about this was not that it was abduction but it was actually a burglary that went bad
01:01:35
yeah so this this has come about what just in the last year year and a half where Scotland Yard they're saying that
01:01:42
they are looking for possible links to burglaries and bogus charity collectors in the area at the time they have
01:01:50
released two of these EIT images of Portuguese men that they would like to identify there were four separate
01:01:58
sightings of Charity collectors on the afternoon of May 3rd at prer delug where she was taken from one man approached a
01:02:07
property near the ocean Club at about 400 p.m. in that that afternoon police say there was also a very large increase
01:02:15
in the number of burglaries in the area between January and may back in 2007 and
01:02:22
one possible scenario like the captain pointed out out was that meline not assuming that nobody would be in this
01:02:28
apartment that it was going to be broken into they were going to steal valuables
01:02:33
and that meline had Disturbed a burglar right but you you're going in to grab a TV and oops I got a kid oh come on give
01:02:42
me a break this is the dumbest idea that I've this is dumber than most of my ideas well I do want to stay on this for
01:02:49
for a minute you know so these collectors these charity quote unquote charity collectors that they're looking
01:02:56
for how did this come about why did they stand out so much well these were people
01:03:01
that were walking around and collecting money for different organizations but one thing that they were collecting for
01:03:07
was orphanages and how did they know that these are fake charity collectors because when they would get engag in
01:03:13
conversation with these people that they're trying to get money from they would say oh I'm collecting for this
01:03:18
orphanage in this city well the police are like that's your report to me are you sure that's what he said because
01:03:25
there's no orphanage in that city right so they learned that these are these are
01:03:30
con artists and they believe they don't know they believe that there's a link between these fake charity guys and the
01:03:38
increase in in the burglaries in the area at the time yeah cuz the idea would be well let's go in with the charity and
01:03:44
even if we don't get any money that we get information mhm and if we get get some information we can go back yeah
01:03:50
when we when we say that there is an increase in burglaries in the area we mean like within blocks in the resort
01:03:57
within blocks of the resort I think there was area right there was three within 17 days of her going missing
01:04:04
correct and there and there was a Breakin like I think seven days before you know they're in 5A right above them
01:04:11
mhm so but again the resorts don't they they don't want to tell you this and then the resort doesn't want to tell you
01:04:17
oh by the way we were telling authorities hey we need to stop this cuz this is bad for business and this is
01:04:22
going to get out so guarantee you they didn't tell the mccains hey you might want to make sure everything's locked
01:04:30
you know like that's no excuse you shouldn't leave your kids alone like that but if you would have heard about
01:04:36
these things maybe you would be a little more on high alert but they don't want to alert you about it because it's bad
01:04:41
for business and then the the cops don't want to bring this up cuz it's bad for business so you got these cops pointing
01:04:47
the finger at the parents of a girl that went missing when they they know the the
01:04:52
that there's been more break-ins in that area in the last 17 days mhm that brings
01:04:57
up the question of motive Captain right because we're talking about I'm with you
01:05:03
as far as we're talking about burglary gone back of course you're here with me I'm stuck with you we're in the garage
01:05:09
we're talking about a burglary gone bad so I break into a place I'm looking for cash and jewelry this is something that
01:05:15
I've done multiple times right because of course I do it all the time every weekend how we these new mics I get
01:05:21
inside and I'm startled by the presence of a little girl who might even be too young to identify me seeing that she
01:05:28
does not know who I am and you don't know if she knows karate or anything so I'm going to I'm going to abduct that
01:05:36
girl as a you know what maybe this kid is more valuable than what I came in here looking for or maybe I'm going to
01:05:43
abduct her because she saw me I think this is a jump this is a bit of a a this doesn't it feel like they're reaching
01:05:51
here Captain where they're like you know what there's we're we're seeing we see this uptick in burglaries and maybe it's
01:05:57
no coincidence that this happened at the same time that a small girl was stolen from an AP and what's weird is this is
01:06:04
the theory that's coming from the Scotland Yard police so that has nothing to do with the Portugal police if it had
01:06:10
something to do with the Portuguese police I would say well this makes sense because they don't want you to fear for
01:06:17
abduction they don't want to fear for sex trafficking they want you to fear just a Breakin mhm it's a break gone bad
01:06:25
but but it's weird that it comes from from the Scotland Yard police I think this is stupid the the motive is purely
01:06:33
it's it's sexual or to sell into sex trafficking it's ridiculous that's the motive so without even discussing it you
01:06:41
want to dismiss the what what motive the MCC might have right so we we have we you're stating that the motivation would
01:06:49
be sexual or some form of abduction motivation the MC it seems like their situation would be a
01:06:58
bit of a leap for a little bit of a stretch and a reach as well for to to make a motive out of their their
01:07:05
daughter accidentally died yeah their Physicians if if they walked in and their daughter had an accident they're
01:07:11
going to call an ambulance they're going to call somebody for help they're doctors they took a oath I have a lot of
01:07:18
nurse friends they took a oath they take that serious but Captain they they were
01:07:22
sedating their daughter and she died possibly of an overdose why why wouldn't they cover that up again it's a easy
01:07:31
it's a within seconds you call your ambulance what happened she got into this medicine yeah looks like candy she
01:07:38
ate it we've had this problem before yeah or uh I accidentally gave her a dose and then my wife did we made a
01:07:44
mistake we've caught her fumbling with the pills before you know it's it's easily
01:07:50
explainable so where does that leave us are you stating do you believe the MCCS are are innocent and have been victims
01:07:58
of uh of some bad luck here or or do you think who do you think right it's it's not like it was their only daughter and
01:08:06
that they're like hey you know what if we can get rid of her we'll just we can go party with Casey Anthony no no that's
01:08:15
not you know it's ridiculous they had twins it took them a long time to have meline like they didn't even know if
01:08:21
they're going to be able to have kids it was a you know they thought it was like
01:08:25
the miracle child these these these people were thrown under the bus right when people didn't do their
01:08:33
job and didn't do the investigation and I think still I still think there is motive from um the resort from the
01:08:42
community uh you know there's there's even signs that are painted like on the stop signs they'll say stop McCain or
01:08:51
stop meline circus m mhm because they don't want this publicity well it's like you know if you're going to have people
01:08:59
going and taking vacations to your place then uh your police need to do a better
01:09:04
job you need to do a better job the parents needed to do a better job um you know it's a very Mis it's misfortunate
01:09:13
but uh I think they got thrown under the bus I cannot decide to be honest with you Captain I know people don't like
01:09:20
that when somebody sits there on a fence and they don't pick a side here's here's
01:09:24
the fence I'm sitting on I have the MC's on one side I hope it's a sharp fence and stranger abduction on the other and
01:09:30
I feel like I know this is an easy out but I feel like I I don't have enough information to go either way with it I
01:09:37
do see some sub what I think is suspicious behavior on the part of the MC right but I also see things that
01:09:44
point towards they didn't do it the there in lies the problem the window for me is key if that window was open if we
01:09:51
found somebody else's fingerprints on that window I would say I would never look at the MC again um so the window
01:09:58
for me is key one thing here and I'm going to throw this little Theory out there and it's slightly different than
01:10:04
than some some other ones that we've already presented but the lead investigator he's gone on to write a
01:10:10
book he's gone on to uh do a documentary um if you want to dive into those I go for it I recommend it he's
01:10:18
was very close to the case the thing here is though he was you have to you have to read the subtitles he was also
01:10:24
removed from the investigation and my understanding of why he was removed was because there we have Scotland Yard we
01:10:33
have the British government they were inquiring about one of the employees at the resort and he either failed to
01:10:41
respond to their inquiries or he failed to investigate this individual now the thing the reason why I like this theory
01:10:50
is that the employee like the remember I said for me the window is key and when I
01:10:56
first saw that window somebody that has a knowledge of the way buildings work and a knowledge of security that window
01:11:03
appeared to me that I would have to do great amount of damage to it to get the shutter open however an employee there
01:11:10
might know that that's not the case that you could you could Jimmy that shutter open and most of the time these windows
01:11:18
are unlocked and I'm going to break in there and I'm going to take something that I want M uh so I I throw that out
01:11:25
there to everyone I don't and at the time you didn't have to be a registered sex offender so you could get that job
01:11:32
correct so I that's one thing that I would love to know more about unfortunately I think that you know is
01:11:38
this case solvable I think with the evidence that we have and the information that we currently have no I
01:11:43
don't think it's currently solvable what what will help solve this is if somebody
01:11:47
comes forward with information that we don't have or unfortunately if they find meline her remains if they find her
01:11:57
remains there's a possibility she could be alive out there somewhere I think that the way that they find her and
01:12:03
where they find her could point us to who is ultimately responsible and a a couple things you know this this case is
01:12:11
huge it's a whale I mean this could have really been like four parts uh we could
01:12:16
probably broke it down a little more clearly it's just so much the timeline if if Nick went through the timeline of
01:12:22
10 years there would have been like it it's just so much so we kind of wanted to put you know look at it more on the
01:12:29
idea of here's something uh that points to maybe they're innocent or maybe they're guilty so but there's definitely
01:12:37
a lot more to dive into this case there's also a bunch of sightings we haven't talked about those basically my
01:12:43
take on any sightings of her being alive all the pictures that I have seen and this is just my gut feeling none of
01:12:52
them are her except for one that I I have a hard time you know my theory is more that somebody knew that she was
01:13:01
there breaking them in not for sex trafficking but for their own um sexual desires or whatever and then when the
01:13:10
media storm got too big he had to get rid of the body he had to get rid of the girl that's my gut feeling but when I
01:13:17
see this surveillance picture of her and like a convenience store to me my gut is telling me it is
01:13:25
her so if that's true then where is she and who has her and just before this summer they were making announcements to
01:13:33
everybody that was traveling anywhere overseas to take a picture of meline with you and look around and look for
01:13:40
her it's 10 years later and they there's still there's still some hope out there
01:13:44
yeah and there's other little things that we didn't talk about like you know well the mccains when they talked in
01:13:49
press conferences they seem cold or just some of that stuff stuff I mean I think
01:13:55
those are little things that that that's not going to help you solve a case you know maybe it it it it puts a little
01:14:01
sand on the mountain but the the you really need to get to the meat and the potatoes well this was certainly a
01:14:08
heavily requested case and I want to thank everybody for requesting it well it actually was our number one requested
01:14:14
show in the last couple months really so I I don't know that's kind of weird how
01:14:19
the world works like I don't know if it's like we're all connected with this weird energy but man it's like every
01:14:26
other day I'd get one Maline McCain I'm like where is this coming from this is a
01:14:30
10-year-old case how about a little recommended reading here Captain you know about a week or two ago I watched a
01:14:37
great movie I watched a movie called split uh by m night shamalan uh it's you know I'm not going to tell you too much
01:14:43
about it because you know we don't want to be the the podcast that gives away movies yeah it's only like a year old
01:14:50
yeah but I watched it a couple weeks ago and it was brilliant but it reminded me
01:14:54
of a story that a true crime story that I had read years ago and I found out that M Knight actually used quite a bit
01:15:02
of this book for his research when he was writing the movie Split So today we're going to recommend the minds of
01:15:08
Billy migan by Daniel Keys now this is about a case that took place in Columbus Ohio way back in the day and Billy
01:15:16
Milligan he was a man tormented by 24 distinct personalities battling for Supremacy over his body a battle that
01:15:24
cated when he woke up in jail arrested for the kidnap and rape of three women in a landmark trial Billy was acquitted
01:15:32
of his Crimes by reason of insanity uh this is one of the most interesting cases out there I recommend picking up
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