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thank you [Music] [Music] thank you foreign garage and this is part one of When a
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Killer calls [Music] foreign [Music] June 1st 1985. 3 10 am I love you all last will and testament
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I love you mommy daddy Robert Dawn and Richard and everyone else and all the other friends and relatives
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I'll be with my father now so please please don't worry just remember my witty personality and
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great special times we all shared together please don't ever let this ruin your lives just keep living one day at a
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time for Jesus some good will come out of this my thoughts will always be with and in
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you casket closed I love you all so damn much sorry Dad I had to cuss for once Jesus forgive me
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Richard sweetie I really did and always will love you and treasure our special moments
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I ask one thing though except Jesus as your personal savior my family has been the greatest
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influence on my life sorry about the cruise money someday please go in my place I am sorry if I ever disappointed you in
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any way I only wanted to make you proud of me because I have always been proud of my
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family Mom Dad Robert and Don there's so much I want to say that I should have said before now
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I love you I know you all love me and will miss me very much but if you all stick together like we
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always did you all can do it please do not become hard or upset everything works out for the good for
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those that love the Lord all of my love always I love you all with all my heart Sharon Sherry Smith
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P.S Nana I love you so much I kind of always felt like your favorite you were mine
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I love you a lot [Music] Friday May 31st 1985. at 3 38 PM Bob Smith discovered his daughter Sherry's
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car unattended with the driver's door open and the motor running at the end of the long driveway leading to the
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family's home he called out her name several times and got no response he checked the vehicle
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and found Sherry's purse on the seat but where was his daughter Sherry's father started searching for
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her when his efforts failed Mr Smith contacted the police this is just two days before 17 year old
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Sherry Faye Smith was scheduled to sing the national anthem at her High School graduation
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so while most of her friends and classmates were packing for their High School graduation trip Sherry was
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abducted from the driveway of her Lexington County South Carolina home What followed was the largest search in
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South Carolina history the investigation was Bleak they had no Witnesses and no leads Sherry is what
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law enforcement would consider to be an extremely low risk victim therefore it was important to clear the family as
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fast as possible and move on to other possibilities police very quickly ruled out any
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involvement by the immediate family or any of the members of the immediate family
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they're hoping for a ransom demand so police put a trace on the Smith's home phone
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the next day the Smiths received a phone call on the line a strangely distorted voice of a man who claims he has Sherry
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captive he tells Sherry's mother Hilda who answered the phone so you'll know this
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is not a hoax Sherry had on a black and yellow bathing suit beneath her shirt and shorts then the caller says you'll
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get a letter from Sherry later State officials intercepted her letter this was entitled last will and
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testament from the mail the letter we read during the trailer was that exact letter
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apparently her abductor had Sherry drafted shortly before her death this was a two-page handwritten letter
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and while it clearly displayed an amazing amount of strength and courage on Sherry's behalf after reading the
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letter no one was optimistic the papers were sent for fingerprint analysis local law enforcement was all over this
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one the FBI was very quickly sent in and the FBI feared the worst their Theory is
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that the abductor most likely killed Sherry by the time that they arrived to assist in the case and the killer would
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now be ready to search for another victim they believe the kidnapper saw Sherry and her boyfriend Richard kissing at the
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local shopping mall and from there he followed her home she stopped at the mailbox and that's where
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he snatched her seems like a lot of creeps are hanging out at the local malls so that was their working Theory
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and after this first call was received they decided to set up recording equipment at the Smith home because now
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they're anticipating another phone call on June 3rd they received a call asking if they had received the letter and the
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caller asked do you believe me now to which Hilda this is Sherry's mother replied no I have not heard from Sherry
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and I need to know if she is alive and well so basically if I'm following you correctly this dirt pack calls the
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family and he says I have her and then he says you're going to receive a letter right but the letter is the last will
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and testament so it's almost implying that she's dead and then he calls him back and says do
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you believe me now right right he wants to know if they've received the letter they as said it was
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intercepted by law enforcement and this is actually a really good move by Sherry's mother Hilda to not kind of
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cower to this distorted voice on the other end of the phone yeah she's saying look I've not heard from my daughter I
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need to know if she's alive and well I don't believe anything you're saying you say you have her captive well let me
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talk to my daughter right and so in a sense she's kind of calling his bluff right or hoping so yeah he
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says that when she asked him I need to know if Sherry's alive and well he then responds that you will know in two or
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three days and he hangs up the phone well hold on to your horses because we have exclusive audio that we receive to
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play these phone calls on the show and what you are about to hear is the first recorded phone calls from
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the killer to the family [Applause] I need to speak to your mother you could ask his calling no okay okay hold on
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just a second please [Applause] [Applause] hello have you received the mail today
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uh yes I have do you believe me now well I'm not really sure I believe you because I
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haven't had any word from Sherry and I need to know Sherry is well you'll know in two or three days why two
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or three days search off tell me if she is well because of her disease are you taking care of her
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foreign yes yes did you come down from Charlotte oh yes I did he's calling please
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I need to speak to your mother okay get my mother um she's coming tell her to hurry she's
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hurrying tell Sherry I love her did you all receive her letter today did you ever see her letter today uh
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this is Hilda did you receive Sherry Ray's letter pardon I can't hear it it's not very clear speak louder did you
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receive the letter today ah yes I did tell me one thing that said tell you one thing it said
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you're fine [Applause] sure Richard let's do what that was a little heart on the side sure Richard written on the
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side oh it says how many pages two pages okay it's yellow legal pad yeah and on one
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side on the front page it said Jesus is Love no God is love well God is love right okay so you know now that this is
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not a hoax call yes I know that okay well we missed Sheriff Smith this morning I don't know what happened to
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that they couldn't get him on okay well I'm trying to do everything possible to answer some of your prayers so please in
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the name of God work with us here and can you answer me one question please you are very kind and and you seem to be
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a compassionate person and and I think you know how I feel being Sherry's mother and how much I love her can you
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tell me is she all right physically without her medicine curious drinking a little over two
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gallons of water per hour and using the bathroom right afterwards all right is she able to eat because she
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doesn't usually eat that that's what concerns me uh listen I got to hurry now I know that
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okay now what I'm gonna do is I'm having ambulance now this is very important however Bissell has gone too far
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um please forgive me uh foreign [Applause] if anything happens to me she said her
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one of her requests she did not put in there to put her hands on her stomach like she was praying in the casket
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what now across her hands why would anything happen to you we don't want any harm to you I I
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promise we just won't Sherry well and all right okay okay now you're sure we have to realize that this is not the
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whole stall yes he knows this is not a hoax okay okay I'm good about all other sucks and
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the only only I talk to the morning the first time yes I did not realize I thought you were a police
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officer okay listen listen real carefully I got to hurry oh I know these calls are being traced
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correct I do not know they are okay now listen oh [Applause] I'm listening yeah hold on a second
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are you still there yeah okay hold on just something uh you're sharing with you or can you
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tell me that or not so I I can tell you oh yes okay hold on before I forget it I told you that
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morning you were looking at the wrong place right yes you did I wish you would have remembered that I don't know I did
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remember that okay well listen to us please okay forget Lexington County look in Saluda County do you understand look
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in Saluda County exactly uh the closest to Lexington County within a 15 mile radius right over the line is
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that understood yeah and very very soon you get please my series request Jerry say a request
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please uh no strangers hardly and when y'all when we give the location no strangers
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absolutely did you understand about the folding of the hands like she was in prayer in case something happens to us
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yes if something happens to y'all but nothing listen nobody is going to harm you I promise
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that I don't know what the problem is I told you to forget about looking around your house
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listen you believe me and I believe you there are so many people I know that love Sherry and they just won't give up
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want to tell you one other thing Sherry is now part of me physically mentally emotionally spiritually our souls are
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one now your souls are one now with Sherry yes and we're trying to work this out so please do what we are you haven't
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been doing that I don't understand and she doesn't we sit here and watch TV and we see no Sheriff why doesn't Sherry
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Sherry talk to me she she knows me so well that's why she asked me to communicate with you not your husband
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aren't you aware of that yes I know that I know that she would ask you to talk with me she does love y'all and like she
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said do not let this learn your life we're not going to let it ruin ourselves listen you tell Sherry one thing what is
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wrong there's no way my life could ever have any happiness in it again if if Sherry left this world with me bearing a
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guilt that I I had failed in such a bad way because I love her and I want to make her happy I'll do anything to work
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it out she doesn't have to come home okay I'm here she does not have to come home
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anything and I please now I'll have the ambulance ready at any time at any time not go any
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further and uh it will be soon the ambulance you're not telling me that no something's gonna happen to her and I'm
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gonna have to have an ambulance I'm telling you her condition is getting bad get all these damn men and salute
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accounting okay well God bless you call me soon will you call me back tonight I just need reassurance to know that she's
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still okay I got to go now and listen uh please please please forgive me for this
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it just got out of hand I know listen do me one thing what is that hurry just tell Sherry
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I know she knows how much I love her tell her her Daddy loves her and her daddy will work anything out with her
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Under the Sun and and he admits we've got a lot of problems and we'll work him out and her brother and sister love her
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and of course God bless you for taking care of my baby Gary is protected and like you said she is a part of me now
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and God look after all of us yeah good night good luck to you too [Applause] first off we want to apologize for the
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audio we know it's not of the highest quality but the content is incredibly intriguing and we wanted to make sure
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that we included that on these episodes now what you're hearing here captain and
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everybody out there in listener land is part of the reason for the poor quality of the audio is it's almost 40 years old
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by this point this case took place in 1985 and we have our perpetrator who is using a voice modulator at times and
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then to add to the confusion this is actually several calls that you heard here where he's hanging up the call
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because he is aware that they likely will be tracing this and if they can trace him well they're going to catch
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him and that's not what he's looking to do but when we discuss signatures this is the definition of a signature of a
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killer this is something these phone calls the communication with the victim's family are not necessary to the
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crimes that he's committing these are only necessary to him for reasons that we probably will not be able to answer
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we cannot comprehend why somebody would want to call the family and further torture them emotionally about their
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missing daughter now what we can say here one thing that I believe he was doing is I think he got a little pissed
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off and that is one of the reasons for the initial phone call to the family because he keeps saying now do you see
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what I mean do you know that this is not a hoax he's not talking about it being a hoax that their daughter was
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kidnapped right he's talking about his phone calls the legitimacy of him and his phone calls do you now know that
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this is not a hoax because he's able to tell the family information that only they would know the reason for this I'm
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guessing here Captain is he wanted the credit he wanted the notoriety he wanted credit for his crimes that he risked
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himself put himself In Harm's Way to commit these crimes he now wants the credit
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because I found that a James Edward Robertson called the family with a ransom demand
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and this is what he I believe he is referring to as the hoax right because that was very quickly deemed to be a
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hoax I believe he was asking the family for like forty thousand dollars and he would return their daughter but of
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course the police very quickly figured out that that was just an extortion plan by this James Edward Robinson had
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nothing to do with with the case itself he's not the perpetrator of the abduction was not holding their daughter
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captive he had no ability to release her to them he was just simply saw an opportunity and tried to score big off
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of it well guess what score one for the good guys because James Edward Robertson
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ends up in prison makes you wonder too if he's talking to her mother because if he talks to her father there's more
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likely a chance of Confrontation I don't know if I would be able to contain myself my daughter went missing
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in some scumbag called me and and was trying to control the conversation a couple times they referenced something
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sure Richard in their conversation and I want to bring up what that means so the letters
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that the family received as you heard were two pages and on the first page there was a heart
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drawing along with the word sure Richard well Sherry spelled her name s-h-a-r-i and her boyfriend's name was
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Richard so they had this kind of cute way of making one name out of both of their names and that's what she Richard
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means unfortunately page two of the letter that they're referencing is the last will and testament of Sherry Smith
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foreign [Music] [Music] we're back to the windows to the walls cheers everybody cheers to you captain
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now later that same day he did call again this time saying Sherry was alive and he would release her soon
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and that he wanted to tell her one thing that Sherry is now a part of him physically mentally emotionally
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and spiritually he says our souls are now one Hilda asked again if her daughter was
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alive and well the man said Sherry is protected and she is a part of me now and God looks after all of us okay so
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this guy's uh Wackadoo weirdo well these are not clear and simple answers to very clear and
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simple questions from Hilda and the other thing too Captain using those words Sherry's now a part of me physically
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mentally emotionally and spiritually our souls are now one I can't feel like anybody's got any good feelings in the
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Smith home hearing that that sounds very Bleak sounds very bad I mean it just sounds bad well on top of that you have
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you know her car is found on the fact that this individual was able to just pull up behind her grab her take her
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captive and now this comeback is going to bring the Lord Jesus Christ and our savior into this so because of the first
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call that was received they were anticipating these two phone calls and attempting to trace the location of
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these two phone calls now they did they did have some luck with that they were able to determine that these two phone
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calls did come from the general area you know they were they were local let's say
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but there are some issues there were some issues with the phone trace right according to the FBI in 1985 it took
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about 15 minutes to get a Pinpoint location of the exact phone from which the calls were placed even with the
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strength and courage shown by Hilda Smith the caller never stayed on the phone for that length of time now the
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man called again this time it was four days after the abduction and this time Sherry's 21 year old sister Dawn
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answered the phone the man gave her details about the kidnapping saying he stopped his car when he saw her at the
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mailbox he said he took a few photos of her then approached her acting friendly and when he got close enough he forced
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her into his vehicle at gunpoint he told Don he was regretful that the whole thing got way out of hand he then went
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on to tell her that at 3 10 a.m Saturday the 1st of June Sherry wrote the letter
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you received and then at 4 5 58 Saturday the 1st of June we became one Soul he said don't there he goes with the weird
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talk again right and he says don't ask me any questions he told Don Sherry would be returned the following evening
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and that they should have an ambulance on standby adding you'll receive instructions on where to find us well
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and this makes you wonder because you take somebody like Dahmer for example and he would talk about possessing his
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victim by eating his victim and that they would become a part of him by doing so so that's where my head goes with
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these comments my head actually goes in two directions one what you just said there Talent one right there is is is
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the possessing um you know we even hear zodiac wrote in his letters that they will become slaves
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my slaves in the afterlife yeah but the weird thing that I find here is a bit of the opposite that we've seen
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with like when we talked about Kemper we talked about BTK where both of them said
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you know after I killed somebody I just immediately went into pure paranoia where I felt the whole world
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knew what I just did right and at any second they're going to come and get me you know they're going to come and
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apprehend me and here you know we have the FBI who's stating well we believed by receiving this letter that she was
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probably already dead before we arrived on the scene to help and this dude's probably out looking for another victim
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he might be but he's also busy spending his time communicating with the family I
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wonder what happened to give them that impression that he already killed her I think the letter you know the letter is
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weird enough that it might steer you in that direction that's the same way that it steered us to The Possession
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possessing the victim okay they have become one all of that kooky talk right what I could do but here's one thing I
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do want to point out and I I read a lot of books by retired FBI agents humble brag what what kind of brag his hat that
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that I can read I read a lot of books no that just means this is nothing else to do this is after
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uh did you start reading a lot after you studied computer well the thing that I want to point out here that I see Time
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and Time Again by these retired FBI agents and don't get me wrong I I enjoy them very much that's why I purchased
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their books so I can read them however they're always kind of the smartest guy in the room and I wonder a lot of times
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like after the fact they're telling these stories 20 30 years later and they're like ah we knew already that uh
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this is what was going on and it's you kind of I question it sometimes you couldn't have been right every single
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time you know what I mean it just doesn't work out that way maybe this is why you
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identify with the books right remember he's now telling them that they will receive instructions on where to find us
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more of the kooky talk right and letting them know that hey I'm going to let Sherry go she will be returned the
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following evening make sure you have an ambulance on standby so to me I go in a different route thinking why so much
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communication going on if you haven't kept her alive maybe because of the kooky talk but let's let the audience
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think for themselves and here's the recording of that call ready [Applause] [Applause]
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okay okay you're not on the phone yet well I'll tell you this okay uh you're aware of
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that that was in Jerry's Old handwriting yes I am all right okay now this is Sherry's own words okay so listen
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carefully there's nothing to lift your ass okay okay and it's not necessary I know these calls
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are taped and traced but that's irrelevant now there's no money demanded so here's Sherry through his last
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request on the fifth day to put the family at rest Fury saved being freed remember we are one Soul now when you
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locate when located you locate both of us together we are one God has chosen us respect all past and present request
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actual events and times jot this down hurry all right I'm doing it 328 afternoon Friday 31st of May
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very was kidnapped from your mailbox with a gun she had to fear of God on her and she
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was at the mailbox that's why she did not return back to her car she had to fear What Fear God dear God okay four 58
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A.M no I'm sorry hold on three trillion uh you know on Saturday the first 15. he hand wrote what you received
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58 a.m Saturday the first of June okay Saturday the 1st of June 4 58 a.m became one so it became one so what does that
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mean no questions now all right last for 24 and 7 Wednesday tomorrow have ambulance ready remember no circus all
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right wait four and seven a.m four and seven in the afternoon in the afternoon tomorrow okay okay health and how much
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ready remember her request no circus okay prayers and relief coming soon please learn to enjoy life to give us
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God protects the chosen Sherry's food's important requests rest to North and tomorrow
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good shall come out of this and please to assurements search no more blessings are near remember tomorrow Wednesday
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four to four in the afternoon to seven in the evening ambulance ready no Circle okay no circus
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what does that mean you've received last instructions for to find us do not kill my daughter please
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I mean please love and miss y'all get good friends tonight wait a minute he's gone mom
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I think at that point I mean you can almost hear in her voice because he's not responding to her
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that maybe she's starting to understand that her daughter might be gone I think that's always the fear I think where
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their hope comes from is that maybe this guy's just completely right off of his rocker and
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we can't take anything that he says as fact or as truth because we don't know what kind of maniac we're dealing with
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here I mean he's claiming to have to abducted her and that they've become one again those words are scary to me as a
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parent that's not what you want to hear because I I usually know with where that
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ends up right and he's proven that he is the one that has abducted their daughter
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I love the psychology of this though and I and I really wonder if there's a way to kind of
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dissect this because we have some killers that communicate after their crimes and
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we've seen some that communicate with law enforcement some choose to communicate with the media and here we
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have somebody communicating with the victims with the families and I've always wondered what is the
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psychology of why one killer will pick whomever they end up communicating with I would lean towards the idea of that
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you're communicating with their family members that it's a in a way you're trying to get
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forgiveness you're going to try to get them to understand and you're going to try to get them to you know pray for
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you or forgive you well maybe that's the case here because we do hear him he's saying that he's passing along direct
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request from Sherry Smith to the family this is how Sherry Smith wants you to handle this situation going forward
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these are her requests so that seems important to him and maybe that's some weird form of remorse I don't know but
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other times that we've had perpetrators communicate with the victims it's been more of a taunting nature where you know
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we've seen BTK he communicated with the primarily the the media and somewhat law
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enforcement here we have a direct connection direct communication via phone and letters
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to the victims families from the Killer and this is similar to we've seen this in previous cases with
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before we were calling him the Golden State killer back when he was ons or the original Night Stalker he would call and
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taunt some of their victims you know the heavy breathing into the phone the the threat of of killing additional victims
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and also with David Gale meyerhoffer was one that called the family of the mother
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that he kidnapped he called her I believe it was for for weeks and she was convinced that the person
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calling them was the actual killer the person responsible for whatever happened to their daughter it seems like when
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these killers are contacting media it's it's leans more towards the idea that they're taunting uh Society they're
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taunting the police they're taunting their next victims also what I find a little strange in this call and I don't
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know if it's because of the tape or it's because of whatever voice manipulation he's trying to use but there's a couple
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times where it like slows down and and sounds very demonic well and for the long time listeners out there some of
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you are probably scratching your head a bit and going I feel like I've heard you
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guys cover this case before and well you are right we always say that we have the
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the best and brightest audience out there well you are right we did cover this case before entitled that show the
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last will and testament the reason that we are going through this again and while you are hearing
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old audio from yours truly in the captain is because we were asked by John Douglas he said I'd like to come on and
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talk about this case that we worked and oh by the way here's some of the audio we have some of the phone calls that you
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guys can use and present to your audience at noon the next day the man called again and said follow these
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instructions listen carefully he said take Highway 378 West to Traffic Circle take Prosperity exit and go one and a
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half miles turn right at the Moose Lodge sign go one quarter mile and then turn left at the white building
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go to the backyard there we will be waiting God chose us and then he hung up the phone listen carefully
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[Applause] Kyle will take Prosperity exit for one and a half miles turn right at sign blue
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slots number 103. go one quarter mile turn left at right frame building go to Backyard six feet Beyond we're waiting
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God chose us yeah this God speak is just creepy well it's South Carolina and it's I I
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think you know it's part of that no I don't mind God talk I don't mind that at all you know I'm a spiritual person but
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I do mind is when you kidnap a person possibly have already murdered or you made her write her last will and
00:38:01
testament and now you're saying that you have became one and then you keep bringing God into this so that's uh
00:38:09
don't like that much well in given all these instructions pretty detailed instructions it's good for law
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enforcement that this call like the others was recorded So the sheriff's department followed the directions and
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this led them to the body of Sherry Fay Smith the decomposition of the body suggested
00:38:29
that she had been dead for some time likely since 458 on June 1st like was noted in the letter right they were
00:38:38
pretty sure of this so she was clothed and they could tell she was once bound with duct tape but the the tape had been
00:38:46
removed so we have the residue left over from the duct tape and they believed that Sherry's body was likely in this
00:38:53
location since shortly after her death unfortunately by the time Sherry's body was located due to the advanced d-comp
00:39:02
the Pathologists could not ascertain either the cause of death or whether or not she had been sexually assaulted the
00:39:09
pathologist believed however that Sherry either suffocated or died from dehydration this resulting from a rare
00:39:17
form of diabetes from which Sherry suffered evidence suggested she was killed elsewhere investigators believed
00:39:25
her killer play placed her there and returned to visit with the corpse and it was only until the body was too far
00:39:32
decomposed for his liking or decomposed enough to hide slash destroy evidence that he told the family where to find
00:39:40
her and streams for me with the FBI involved you'd think that they would be able to determine the cause of death
00:39:46
well using the information that they had the FBI unit put together a profile of the offender they believed that the
00:39:54
offender was in his late 20s to early 30s probably divorced living alone or with his parents white he has uh yeah
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they actually will update this profile later and they didn't include white as part of the first profile
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but probably divorced living alone or with his parents he has some kind of criminal record this would include
00:40:19
assaults on women or at least obscene phone calls if he has previously murdered anyone the victims would be
00:40:27
children or young girls they believed when he was on the phone with Sherry's family he was reading from a script
00:40:35
they believed the killer was rigid orderly and obsessively neat he would take notes obsessively and keep many
00:40:41
lists did they say anything about possible military background uh they did not but usually they will include that
00:40:48
if they believe that he does have some type of military background and the reason why I bring that up is because
00:40:53
the neat and orderly possibly wants to create lists yeah good thing that would be somebody that you know had some
00:40:59
regiment schedule at some point in their existence they believed that he owned a
00:41:04
vehicle likely three years old or newer and the vehicle is clean well maintained
00:41:09
and cared for outwardly he is arrogant and displays contempt for the world but on the inside he is insecure in Harbor
00:41:16
strong feelings of inadequacy it possibly goes around telling people he reads a lot of books yes and then and
00:41:23
then doesn't speak too highly of the author they said that the man is local having lived in the area for most of his
00:41:31
life he had access to a secluded area where he knew he would have time to spend with Sherry and her body they
00:41:39
figured that the reason that the caller's voice sounded distorted is because he was using some type of device
00:41:44
to achieve this they determined the caller was using something called a variable speed device
00:41:51
they were now in the process of tracking down manufacturers of these types of devices and retailers
00:41:58
this suggested that the suspect had a background in electronics so it's it's always interesting to me
00:42:05
Captain how they come up with this some of it more detailed than other profiles that we've reviewed in the past the
00:42:11
stuff about the books is fascinating right now what gets me is when they say we believe that he has a car that's
00:42:18
three years old or newer like that's so random man and it's like you don't know do they have any
00:42:27
eyewitnesses that would make them lean that way or or is this just kind of a random guess
00:42:34
according to the information I could find there was no eyewitnesses right that's that's why
00:42:42
it's so Random to me we believe that he has a newer uh three-year-old car newer that's
00:42:47
so pinpoint I think they come up with this for a couple of reasons one I think they're working off of the idea that
00:42:56
this guy is driving a lot that he's spending a lot of time driving and they may also believe him to be careful if
00:43:04
they believe him to be careful and driving all the time they're probably going off of the thought that he would
00:43:10
prefer to drive a newer vehicle something that's well maintained and well cared for because it would be too
00:43:15
risky to spend all that time driving and he wouldn't do that because he's careful or possibly the idea that this
00:43:21
guy was married divorced so he possibly has a career is living with somebody or living with his parents so therefore he
00:43:29
has the money where he would have a nicer vehicle because that would be his only opportunity to maybe impress a
00:43:36
female also that's interesting that you picked up on that because with having a background in electronics they're almost
00:43:43
suggesting that they believe this individual has a job and like you said if they believe he's living with his
00:43:49
parents he has more money than somebody not living with their parents but the obvious thing here is usually when they
00:43:57
base off of the situation is this individual local or not and that seems to be pretty quick to come to that
00:44:04
assumption and I think here really exemplifies that to Perfection you know we have a situation where he gives very
00:44:13
detailed directions to find her body and I have to believe that lawful enforcements working off of the thought
00:44:19
that that's not just a place that this guy stumbled upon that this is an area that he knew and knew well and therefore
00:44:27
he's a local guy he didn't just drive in and happen to see her at the mailbox and
00:44:32
take her away this next call is by far the most detailed call from the Killer because I have a name please
00:44:48
Don can't come to the phone right now this is um her Aunt Beverly this is emergency well I'm sorry she is
00:44:59
uh being sedated and cannot come to the phone she's asleep yes um Bob it has gone up to the funeral
00:45:10
home you realize the situation with their daughter like one moment you you asked to speak
00:45:16
to Mrs Smith uh well let me see if we can find her okay hurry up all right they're looking
00:45:27
right now okay thank you all for hours speaking about constant phone now this is her
00:45:33
aunt uh Beverly yes will accept the charge this is Sherry's Aunt Beverly I'll be
00:45:42
happy to speak to you who am I speaking to please we're trying to locate her in the
00:45:49
meantime I'll be happy to help you she's coming they're looking for her immediately
00:46:00
just one moment they're trying to find her okay she can't wait one moment please she had walked outside to walk
00:46:08
the dog they are looking for her operator there's operator on the line here is Don right now
00:46:17
hello yes I'm calling for sharing page turning myself in tomorrow morning uh no well talk to them and listen
00:46:30
carefully okay I have to tell you this sure you asked me to um turn myself in after the fifth day after they found her
00:46:41
well okay I'm trying to write this down don't write it down don't write it down okay and uh or get myself straight with
00:46:49
God and I'll turn myself completely over to him so I have to turn myself over to
00:46:53
him okay if you don't know what I'm talking about when you talk tonight he will not be
00:47:01
able to get a personal interview for me in the morning um there'll be a letter that's already been
00:47:08
mailed an exotic copy for you and to him and it's a with picture so happy to me yeah and him at this home of pictures of
00:47:19
Sherry played from the time even I made her stand at their car and took two pictures now all through the thing and
00:47:28
the letter was describe exactly what happened from the time I picked her up to the time I called and told you out
00:47:34
where to find her okay and I'll be doing the same in the morning at 6 a.m and tell the sheriff and Charlie Charlie I
00:47:43
used him as a medium today I'll talk to him okay at 6am what will you be doing in the morning well he'll know
00:47:50
he'll know okay and also off front but by the time they find the office do you understand that he will be
00:48:04
armed by the time they find me I won't be dangerous what does that mean s I've been or turn myself over to God so
00:48:21
I'm gonna have to I just got this thing got out of hand and all I wanted to do was make love just on I've been watching
00:48:28
her for a couple weeks because I'm sorry to share it and I watched a couple of weeks and uh I just got out of hand and
00:48:36
you know John I hope you and your family forgive me for this you're not going to
00:48:40
kill yourself are you I don't I can't live in prison and go to the electric chair and I can't do that this is the
00:48:46
only way I can get myself straight I'm very sick and but I I can't go be we don't want you to die we want to help
00:48:53
you don't kill yourself no I just uh you can't take some one's last and this is the way it's gonna have to be sure let's
00:49:01
see listen to me okay no I gotta tell you something okay this is important well that's okay but God can forgive you
00:49:11
and erase all of that I'll say something to you that she told me okay they said that she did not cry the
00:49:30
entire time she was very strong-willed and she said that um she did not want y'all to run your life and go on with
00:49:40
your lines like the letter said and I've never lied to you before right everything I told you came true right
00:49:45
yes okay so this is gonna have to be a way it is and she said that um she wasn't scared that she knew that she was
00:49:54
going to be an angel and if I took the ladder choice that she suggested to me that she would forgive me but our God's
00:50:02
going to be the major judgment and she'll probably end up seeing me in heaven not in hell and that she request
00:50:10
now please remember that now she request that y'all be sure to take her hands and
00:50:16
fold them in her on her stomach like she's praying okay and that closed casket yeah they already made those
00:50:22
plans yes okay and please um have Charlie Kai's with curement and Charlie knows what to do in the morning
00:50:30
and have an ambulance and probably before they get there might as well have a hers also and I'll be at the traffic
00:50:39
circle and I'm not in I'll be I'm just going to allow myself enough time to get in the area and get set up I'm not in
00:50:46
the area now and uh it'll be six in the morning that I'll call his office and by
00:50:52
the time they reach me I'll be straight with God and uh Sherry said please take the gold necklace that she had on and
00:51:00
the she had one earring in her left ear and uh save those things and treasure them save them yes she doesn't want um
00:51:09
Richard to have that necklace uh she said something there was something special theory in her room that she said
00:51:17
I forgot where it might have been that necklace but uh yeah well go ahead but the rest of her stuff is is irrelevant
00:51:24
okay what about her High School ring Jerry was was not afraid she didn't cry or anything
00:51:38
can you handle it if I tell you how she died yes okay now be strong okay he said
00:51:44
you were she told me all about the family and everything we talked and oh God and I am a family friend that's a
00:51:53
sad part you are a family friend yeah and that's why I can't face y'all you'll find out in the morning or tomorrow but
00:52:02
um forgive me and uh dawn of Sherry I don't know whether you should tell your mother this or not but I'm sure he say
00:52:10
was not a virgin she started uh with a guy in January were you aware we know that now yes okay
00:52:17
be good [Applause] and we had oral sex for uh three different times and uh but she died can you help us now yes
00:52:29
okay I tied her up to the bedpost and uh with electric uh cohort and uh she didn't struggle trying or anything she
00:52:40
let me voluntarily from her chin to her head oh yeah and be sure to tell okay I'll go ahead too and I took duct tape
00:52:48
and wrapped it all the way around her head and suffocated her and tell the coroner or get the information that's
00:52:56
how she died and uh and I was unaware she had this disease I probably wouldn't ever taken her and uh I should took her
00:53:04
anyway it just got a hand yeah I'd ask her out before and she said she would if she wasn't going with anybody and uh she
00:53:13
said also and another ironic part I had to see what was going on at the house at your
00:53:45
house yeah I was there Saturday morning for the search you were at the search Saturday yes I was
00:53:51
and if oh God Don I wish not I wish y'all could help me but it's just too late let me
00:54:00
tell you something okay God can forgive you how do I know I know God we can forgive you also
00:54:09
[Applause] forgive me then yes family I just just Sherry face said to me I just keep
00:54:21
living myself like this I'm not I think you just need to just think about that a
00:54:25
little harder than you okay now is there any other questions short I got to go now
00:54:31
um when when you killed Cherry was she at peace she wasn't afraid or anything she knew that God was with her and she
00:54:39
was going to become an angel and she wrote that letter to us of our own free will and all that everything I told you
00:54:45
from the truth and everything came true yes it has okay you know I'll be in the area uh
00:54:52
just a long enough time to set this up for myself like I said are also Charlie and everything requested I mean I told
00:55:00
you that I requested Sherry I asked Sherry say if I could do this and she said it was fine with her to have to
00:55:07
minister the preacher from Lexington Family be in the ambulance me in the ambulance Lewis Abbott Lewis Abbott uh
00:55:16
yeah I forgot you heard she told me tonight I forgot who it was I wonder it's gonna y'all's regular minister
00:55:21
right with the tour okay he's gonna do the funeral Saturday yes okay can I ask you one more question when when um you
00:55:29
told us that you Sherry was kidnapped at gunpoint yeah but she knew you yes at first see I pulled up and uh I'm telling
00:55:38
you the truth I have no reason to lie to y'all okay I've always told you truth right right okay and uh I had to ask her
00:55:46
to stand there and I took two minutes to pictures you asked her to stand where that's his mailbox with her car in the
00:55:52
background ghost picture detailed pictures will be with the letters that you received probably since I'm out of
00:55:59
town probably not until Saturday Charlie Keizer get a coffee and your family would get a copying this address to you
00:56:08
unless the male hose it up so she didn't realize that you were fixing to kidnap her that's exactly right okay and uh
00:56:15
she's uh foreign [Music] [Applause] why are you talking to me instead of mom oh did you start talking to her
00:57:08
mother at first yeah that was your mother oh I was outside I didn't know she said it was your aunt
00:57:15
correct uh no that was my hand it is okay so her blessings of the body could be blessed right well in the fifth day
00:57:32
did she want us to find a why not don't know she just she just said yeah I don't
00:57:37
know I don't know and she was into her third day on her period and uh I'm telling you exactly how she died so she
00:57:46
died supplication and so you know okay anything else why did you why did you do that
00:57:55
I gave her a choice not to shoot her or give her a drug overdose or suffocator why did you have to kill him
00:58:07
uh only God knows Dawn I don't know why God forgive me for this I hope and I got to
00:58:14
straighten it out or he'll send me to hell then I'll be there the rest of my life but I'm not going to be in prison
00:58:18
but I don't think taking your life is the answer to this well oh I want to forgiveness well Don I got to go now
00:58:26
it's been too long and I'll tell him to just forget about the church I'll be in the area long enough in the morning for
00:58:32
them to uh find me and by the time I call uh Charlie cos to know exactly the setup well they I hope now so I know why
00:58:42
I'm staying on the phone all right they are taping this I don't want anything messed up okay okay they are taping it
00:58:48
right okay good okay and anything else um um I just um oh yeah let me tell you the
00:58:57
other night they almost caught me caught an ignorant son of a guns I wanted them to catch me
00:59:03
when when was it oh when I called at 9 40. when you were over near Jake's Landing
00:59:10
yes I [Music] know how did you have so you get it dead on it for you and they didn't even dawn I can't get over
00:59:23
this an ignorant son of a so-and-so didn't even turn around and follow me and I cut right at that blinking light
00:59:30
down there to go to backway on Old Cherokee roads and there was a highway patrolman and for somebody in front of
00:59:36
me and pulled a car in front of me and he let me turn right on Old Cherokee Road can you bleed out so he really
00:59:43
wanted to be caught at that time but it's too late now what kind of car was it I can't give them much information
00:59:55
because I got to make it back in time and they'll stop me before I get back if I tell you but they they're right it was
01:00:01
a red one and I almost got caught three or four times that's super out of it now if I die now
01:00:09
or if I die at six in the morning it's irrelevant well listen uh John I really I wish everything else you would just
01:00:17
think about not killing yourself please go back to Carowinds I know you live in Charlotte you know I know a lot about
01:00:25
your family and uh go back and start singing and give it to Beth and she knows that she'll be singing like crazy
01:00:32
she was when she said that she was smiling she'd be singing like crazy and well so she wasn't afraid the whole
01:00:42
time it's gonna be with God [Music] but I just really I wish you would think about not killing yourself
01:00:55
you need to think about that a lot because okay we'll put it this way if I find aside for 29 I called Sheriff
01:01:02
appeal notes which only kind of six in the morning all while oh Lord listen our prayers will be for you okay
01:01:11
did you hear what I said tonight we are home tonight can I ask you listen our prayers will be with you okay
01:01:18
God can do anything and he could forgive you for this yeah but you know what's going on
01:01:23
I'm gonna be fried you don't know that God can work miracles you don't know that that'll
01:01:30
happen to you God is merciful no matter what we do right you answer the phone every time it rains
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me answer the phone tonight every time it rings that's right first sleep you let it keep ringing okay
01:01:55
okay well God bless all of us God bless you too and a mother wants to say something to you
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listen mom wants to say something to you all right just one thing okay Stars [Music]
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join us back here in the garage for part two of When a Killer calls until then be
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good be kind and don't let her foreign [Music]