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[Music] thank you [Music] two weeks after the attack at Lake Berryessa we are now at October 11
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1969 on our zodiac timeline this is when a white male hailed a taxi cab driven by 29 year old Paul Stein
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the passenger would hail the taxi cab at the intersection of Mason and Gary streets this is one block west of Union
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Square in San Francisco this is in the Heart of the City the passenger requesting to be taken to Washington and
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maple streets and the Presidio Heights area that's about a 13 to 15 minute drive from the location of where Paul
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Stein picks up his passenger to where the passenger is requesting to be dropped off
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for reasons unknown the taxi cab did not stop at the requested destination instead Paul Stein drove one block past
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Maple Street to Cherry Street and you say well how do we know that the passenger requested to be dropped off
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elsewhere one block prior to where the location where they do drop off it's based off of the taxi cab drivers
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journal or log sheet for picking up the passenger at that location and where the
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passenger requested to go now we know that it made the cab made it an additional block based off of eyewitness
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testimony right the only reason why I question this is is it possible that the Zodiac said take me to this location and
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the guy goes well I don't know exactly where that's at and he said well it's right by whatever and then that's what
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the the cab driver put into his log that's interesting thing because it's always been pondered why go the
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additional block and we can put in some uh speculation as to that but as you just pointed out that could be a
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possibility maybe it's just the error a human error on the part of the taxi cab driver in his log sheet the white male
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passenger then shot Paul Stein once in the head with a nine millimeter gun he took Paul Stein's wallet and car keys
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and tore away a section of Paul Stein's blood-stained shirt tale this all went down Captain right at about 9 55 p.m on
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that night of October 11th the passenger slash shooter was witnessed by three teenagers across the
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street at that same time at 9 55 PM right this is very cool because they were actually able to call in the murder
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two police while the crime was still in progress the way that this goes down is about 50 feet from where the murder took
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place down there in the street we have a birthday party going on and one of the witnesses this would have been a young
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teenage girl witnessed the crime in action calls over her two brothers and they witnessed this whole event
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going down as well and they phoned the police and say hey there's a robbery or a shooting or something that's going
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down in the streets below yeah this is going to give us probably our best eyewitness account of the zodiac that's
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correct because in the second attack where Mike majo was able to offer up a suspect description keep in mind he had
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been shot several times and was in a good deal of pain and Trauma when he saw the suspect and then later we have Brian
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Hartnell who offers up a description but by this time our killer the Zodiac he is
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disguised from head to toe right these Witnesses are not even a part of the crime they're just simply witnessing the
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crime from afar not very far about 50 feet would be the estimation so they're going to get a decent look at this guy
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now mind you it is dark but this is a The Heart of the City it's the busy part of the city where we should have pretty
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well lit streets now the witnesses say that they saw the killer wiping the cab down before he walks away not running
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just calmly walks away from the crime scene toward the Presidio area yeah and because we have three eyewitnesses we're
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going to get a better description of this individual because we got three different perspectives yes as well as
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the description of the suspect so he the suspect is heading to the Presidio area
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again that would be one block north of the the crime now two blocks from the crime scene was another birthday party
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yeah is a San Francisco patrol car that is responding to this very call they observed a white male walking along the
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sidewalk East on Jackson Street and stepping onto a stairway leading up to the front yard of one of the homes on
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the north side of the street this encounter lasted maybe 10 seconds or so this has always been a strange part in
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the whole zodiac conversation and the whole investigation itself because we'll we'll see there's some weird
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movements going on here where we may have had San Francisco police actually interact with the killer however they've
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never been super forthcoming and completely Cooperative with that type of statement right there were two officers
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in this patrol car they later said that a white male pedestrian was about 35 to maybe 45 years of age 5 foot 10 inches
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tall with a crew cut similar to but slightly older than the description the teenagers who observed
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the Killer said the killer to be the teenagers say that the man that they saw stepping out of Paul Stein's cab they
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have him as about 25 to 30 years of age with a crew cut and again it's a white male that they are describing the
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teenage Witnesses put the killer at about five foot eight inches to five foot nine inches tall one we have to
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remember this is 1969 so that's actually going to be somewhat tall for the average male well
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one thing that I find interesting about this piece of the story here Captain is that we have a discrepancy in age
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described by the two different parties here the police officers describing someone older than the teenagers
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describing right and I think that that could be for several reasons I think they're talking about the same guy
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because the general description other than the age is in fact the same it's very very similar so what we have here
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is a situation where the officers in the patrol car one likely got a better look
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at the individual head-on face-to-face eye to eye sort of situation where the teenagers would have been up on the
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second floor and they would have been seeing the killing and observing the suspect from from an elevated height
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right which might change some things the other thing though too again the officers in the car they might have this
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perspective in a better gauge on this suspect's age because they're probably likely most you know
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they're definitely more close in age to the suspect himself now still to this day captain and no one
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seems to be sure why or can agree why this took place but for whatever reason the police radio dispatcher initially
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alerted officers responding to this call this robbery the shooting call to be on
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the lookout for a black male suspect so when the officers saw this white guy and zodiac would tell us later that that
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they interacted the officers interacted with him that night as he was running or walking
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away from the crime scene they they did not suspect him to be the person they were looking for at that
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time because of this flawed description this just wrong description of the suspect they should be looking for as
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they drive to the crime scene well again with the Zodiac Killer it's very fascinating because it's the the change
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of actual crime look confirmed killings you can debate other killings but the confirmed killings that we have the four
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attacks two being Lover Lane shootings another one similar to lover Lanes but it's stabbing victims and then
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you have this attack on a taxi cab driver it makes almost no sense yeah it doesn't
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stick to the victimology and it doesn't stick to the mo that we saw in the first
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two attacks and and it even I mean you one could argue the third attack has a very strong Mo to the first two and this
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one the attack the murder of Paul Stein is significantly different now we mentioned that the Zodiac says that he
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spoke to the officers San Francisco Police Department their stance has always been we didn't speak to the
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Zodiac Zodiac says in the letter he did but again he's been proven to be a liar on more than one occasion but according
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to this other version again the police actually stopped the man who might have been the zodiac
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and they asked him if he's seen or heard anything suspicious to which the man that they stopped says
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yes I saw a man waving a gun on Washington Street heading east so the police squealed their tires to
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rush off to go looking for this non-existent man with a gun and again very likely let the Zodiac
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Killer walk off into the night and it's almost as if the zodiac is like daring himself to do a crime that's
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in the Public's eyes that people will see him and how will he react when the police arrive on the scene at the murder
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scene Captain they find Paul Stein he's lying across the passenger seat he was dead from the single bullet fire to his
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head damage to the entry of the bullet proved the killer placed the gun to Paul Stein's head before firing the gun so
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this would be Point Blank Range that the killer used to kill Paul Stein the killer managed to take only
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approximately 25 dollars from the cab driver they were able to come up with that dollar amount based off of again
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the driver's log for that night on the fares that he had picked up throughout the night so it was called in as a
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robbery in progress with a possible shooting however we now know that this being a zodiac case
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the robbery is just secondary it it doesn't likely have anything to do and it was not the motivation for the murder
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itself as we know in the three previous attacks the killer didn't molest any of the victims did not steal any of their
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money so then we have the perpetrator of Paul Stein's murder wiping down the cab
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this is based off of the three teenage eyewitnesses however the killer still managed to leave two fingerprints
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smeared in Blood on the outside of the rear door on the driver's side now detective Bill Armstrong and David tosky
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were assigned to the case they arrived there that night and anyone who has seen the 2007 zodiac film will know exactly
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the detectives that we are talking about as the movie follows them for a good deal of their investigation now of
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course because it went down in a taxi cab Paul Stein's murder was initially believed to be a robbery turned homicide
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but then two days later on Monday October 13th the San Francisco Chronicle received a letter from the zodiac I call
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this one the Paul Stein letter because it contained a torn section of Paul Stein's bloodstained t-shirt I think the
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Zodiac added that because there started becoming questioning amongst law enforcement and probably the community
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saying is he actually responsible for these murders or is he just taking claim to them well in in this communique what
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we have here Captain is we have a very similar envelope addressed in a similar manner to the the previous letters
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received this says s period F period Chronicle San Fran period Khalif we see that
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caliph of the abbreviation the abbreviated California please rush to editor one difference that is is obvious and
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noticeable right away in the way that this letter is addressed opposed to the others is in the upper left hand corner
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where one would typically expect to see a return address we have the what we're calling the Zodiac logo the crosshairs
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the circle with the cross in the middle is in place of the return address and again we see two stamps for this letter
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so in typical zodiac tradition here right we're seeing more postage than what is needed the letter reads as
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follows this is the Zodiac speaking I am the murderer of the taxi driver over by
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Washington Street and Maple Street last night to prove this here is a blood-stained
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piece of his shirt I am the same man who did in the people in the North Bay Area
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the S period F period for San Francisco the San Francisco police could have caught me last night if they had
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searched the park properly instead of holding road races with their motorcycles seeing who could make the
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most noise the car driver should have just parked their cars and sat there quietly waiting
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for me to come out of cover school children make nice targets I think I shall wipe out a school bus some
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morning just shoot out the front tire and then pick off the kitties as they come bouncing out and of course he signs
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it with the Zodiac logo the cross hairs well again zodiac likes to come off a little smug a little pompous
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you know hey I'll just uh I'll just wreck a bus kill everybody I still don't understand why he would take
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such a high risk to kill somebody basically in a public place with a bunch of eyewitnesses well I think that's a
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perfect question here Captain because you're right it changes ammo completely he's now attacking a single male in a
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taxi cab and as you pointed out this is going to be a busy area there's there is
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a high risk for an eyewitness if not multiple eyewitnesses the other thing too is now the Killer is also going to
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be dealing with the San Francisco Police Department rather than the Napa County Sheriff's Department or Vallejo where
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they you know much smaller departments San Francisco is going to have better resources more officers more cars
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motorcycles as he calls them and we even know that helicopters were flying around
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that night trying to look for the man that they know lead on foot from the murder scene you mean helicopters yeah
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motorcycles and helicopters that's right yeah so let's examine this one and compare it to the previous attacks what
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we have here Captain is the first attack confirmed zodiac attack is Friday December 20th
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1968 and this was the murder the double homicide of David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen now about two miles away and
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about six and a half months later on Friday July 4th 1969 Michael Maggio and Darlene Farren are gunned down as they
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sit in Darlene's vehicle and thankfully Michael Maggio survives that attack then
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let's fast forward just a brief period here to September 27th of that same year 1969 on Saturday when Brian Hartnell and
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Cecilia Shepherd are attacked by a masked gunman who pulls a knife on them and stabs the both of them and again
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Brian Hartnell survives now the zodiac claims to be the attacker of all three of these attacks in fact when he sends
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letters to the chronicle The Examiner and Vallejo times the letters received on August 1st
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he is giving detailed proof that he is in fact the murderer of the person that conducted the first two attacks and then
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when he attacks Brian Hartnell Cecilia Shepard in at Lake Berryessa right he phones it in just like he did in the
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second attack owner and he writes on Brian hartnell's Corridor the zodiac symbol followed with the previous dates
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of two attacks and that he is claiming to be the attacker of Brian and Cecilia that day at Lake Berryessa what do we
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have here now captain the final confirmed attack is a Saturday October 11 1969 of Paul
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Stein one I find it intriguing alone that the first two attacks both take place on a Friday and then the second
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two attacks attack number three and four both take place on a Saturday for whatever reason the zodiac is a
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weekend warrior and I do not know why because he has a job there must be something keeping him from killing
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during the week it's just so much more convenient for him to do what he does on the weekend
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now in this situation the first attack he's successful he kills both of the people parked in the vehicle
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he gets away with what maybe no eyewitness at all at least to his person there is one eyewitness saying that they
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saw a vehicle parked near Faraday's car that night and that comes into question but then on the 4th of July he proves
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that he is not perfect he's not as good as he claims to be or he believed himself to be because he leaves the
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crime scene before he he's successful in killing both of the victims Mike Maggio
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survives and even offers up a description of the suspect and the suspect's vehicle so what does he do he
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adapts a little bit he's going to have to take his car out of the next crime I don't want my vehicle seen oh I can't be
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seen as well because I know that I'm not perfect if I if I screw up again and I leave a witness if I leave a Survivor at
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the crime they can describe me they can tell the police what I look like they can tell the public what I look like
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this time I'll wear a disguise the thing with Paul Stein's murder that fascinates
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me is the complete difference in Mo and I have to wonder and three attacks the last two he failed
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to kill the male in both of those attacks and the last two attacks he failed to kill both victims and left of
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a victim alive in both attacks has he evolved to the point of understanding that maybe I do not want to go and kill
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two people again I've just not been that great at it the last two times but for whatever game that he's playing
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he needs to keep killing to terrorize the San Francisco Bay area and then take that a step further he's killed in
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Vallejo he's killed at Lake Berryessa he's not killed in San Francisco yet and yet he's been mailing threatening
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letters and ciphers to San Francisco to two of their newspapers what the hell do people in San Francisco
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got to be afraid of he's not even done an attack here we just keep reading about this guy in the newspaper I feel
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like zodiac wanted to do a crime in San Francisco San Francisco proper like you said right in a busy area yes it's super
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risky but that's the thrill this guy's getting out of this he's a terrorist at his heart well like you said it's
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possibly the hometown of the zodiac is it possible to that yes who's doing these killings but was there something
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that was allowing him to get away and maybe he had these all these plans of what he's going to do that weekend and
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for some reason he couldn't leave but the urge to keep this going was too much so it's like oh well let's go downtown
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yeah and it's it's also a situation of I think he planned a lot of this out of going okay well I need to
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I I want to kill someone in San Francisco I need them to be by themselves because I don't want to
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attack two people again and foul up and leave somebody alive and I think he came
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up with a vulnerable situation a taxi cab driver is a dangerous profession because they get robbed at a
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higher rate than than other professions right just simply based off of that they
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are often alone with whomever they choose to let in their vehicle and so the Zodiac knew this and some people
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have said that maybe the coordinates of where he wanted to kill the cab driver it was important to zodiac and maybe
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that's why he picked a cab because they'll go where you ask them to go I don't want to play that game because I
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don't want to get into the mathematics or geography of of that portion of it but I find it fascinating that not only
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did he I feel like he wanted to prove that he could kill the male and I feel like he didn't want to keep
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pointing out his flaws that he wasn't Perfect by leaving a Survivor so I'm going to choose one victim I'm going to
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go after one individual I think he wanted a male victim but the other thing we have here too captain
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is he takes the time to rip off a piece of Paul Stein's shirt Tale why because he's already given proof when he offered
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up details about the first two crimes however he wants the papers and the police and the public to take him
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seriously if any of you were out there doubting anything that I've said because a lot of the details I gave you so far
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only the Killer and or police would know well here's your proof baby here's your bloody shirt
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I am who I say I am I'm the Zodiac I'm the person responsible for these murders and I'm why you should be afraid
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right every night why you should not be out on the streets at night [Music] foreign
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[Music] we're back cheers you filthy animals extra fill the animals filthy animals if you're nasty on
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November 8th 1969 the Zodiac mailed a card with another cryptogram consisting of 340 characters or symbols and this
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Cipher was dubbed the z340 cipher which remained unsolved for over 51 years it was in fact just solved
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December of 2020. the zodiac would continue to mail letters and threatening letters and he
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even mailed some letters to famous attorney Melvin belli at some point and so he continued his open wave of
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communication to the newspapers and police it's strange Captain because from here this is where we go from confirmed
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zodiac attacks to the rest are open for speculation there are some attacks that the Zodiac
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has claimed over the years there are some attacks that people have claimed were conducted by the Zodiac but we
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never have any type of definitive proof like offered up in these four attacks that resulted in the five confirmed
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homicides committed by the Zodiac Killer one a lot of people will throw the Sherry Joe Bates case in with zodiac
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research I think that's fair but what we have is we have the killer that is calling himself or identifying
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himself as the zodiac he doesn't make those claims and you would think that he would yeah
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that's interesting because he throughout these four attacks never does he ever mention the murder of Sherry Jo Bates in
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Riverside California and it's not until the police and others are already kind of hip to the idea that
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the Riverside killer might be the same as the Zodiac that the Zodiac does finally hint around the idea that that
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he might have been the murderer of and he doesn't even name the victim which was Sherry Joe Bates
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another crime that is often linked to the Zodiac whether it be confirmed or not is the Kathleen Johns
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story and Kathleen Johns was a young mother she had a 10 month old daughter with her and she was pregnant at the
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time and in March of 1970 she's driving from San Bernardino California to Petaluma this was to visit her mother
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with the purpose of you know letting her 10 month old daughter visit with her mom
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she chose to because she would be driving with a child I mean 10 month old is a baby they need a lot of attention
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you need a lot of time she decided you know what this is a long drive that's like 300 400 miles I think
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that she would do most of this driving at night because the baby would sleep for a large portion if not the entirety
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of the drive right and she could focus on driving and not have to pay attention to her young daughter
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well this is pretty late at night and she was heading west on Highway 132 near Modesto California and she said that a
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vehicle seam behind her was trying to get her attention now I do want to be clear here captain
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this is a difficult story to tell because there are different versions of the story that have come out through the
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years right and Kathleen Johns not that I don't believe her it's just she's told
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a slightly different story on more than one occasion but the gist of it so that means you don't believe her well it it
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makes it confusing to pass along this story and say that I feel super confident I believe it went down I
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believe this story went down 100 percent I just the subtle variations are difficult yeah the problem with these
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types of accounts are these are victims and the situation that they were in might be the highest stress situation
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they've ever been in and so I think not always are they lying or that they're trying to be
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you know manipulative or something they're they're I think they have a hard time recounting
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the events because of how stressful it would have been or how traumatic it would have been yes that is very likely
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I mean she has a lot to be concerned about not only her own life but the life of her very very small child at the time
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too so stressful situation does not begin to describe the situation at all but the gist of this story Captain is
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that the driver who is on the highway behind her is indicating that she should be pulling over
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and once she pulls over the driver of the other vehicle mail guy male driver and people that have seen the Zodiac
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movie The 2007 film know exactly what we're about to talk about because this is a terrifying part of the story one of
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one of the more terrifying portions of the movie itself the man tells her hey your back tire
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looks to be wobbly looks to be loose I can fix that for you and she says that she sat in her vehicle while this man
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fixed the tire okay everything seems fine she thanks him he gets back in his vehicle he
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drives off she starts back up on her journey and very quickly the tire that he was working on comes completely loose
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and she is now in a situation where her vehicle is inoperable she gets out to discover that there's
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only one lug nut still on the tire so while this man claimed to be fixing her problem he was creating a problem
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he returns and offers her a ride to the nearest service station which in some of the versions she says was
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close enough that she could see it and so she agrees to get into this individual's vehicle she gets in with
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her baby they go a driving and she said that they just kept driving and driving and driving
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and she kept pointing out hey you're driving past the service station hey there's one coming up here we're driving
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past this one as well and and the the police report that I could find it states that she says that
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anytime she mentioned service station or that he had just drove past one he would
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change the topic of conversation to something else that the two were interacting for
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the entirety of the drive now in the movie it appears to be a very short drive when in fact based off the police
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report says that they drove around for like an hour maybe even an hour and a half wow but it also seems like such a
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zodiac thing because he's yeah it's the misdirection hey I can help you with your tire there's nothing
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wrong with her tire but you're going to create the problem you know I mean like uh it's it's very zodiac well it's also
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very serial killer in yeah in general where you're you're setting a trap and we've seen Bundy do this we've seen
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serial killers in movies do this in in real life time and time again they're setting a trap and unfortunately it
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worked in this situation in some of the accounts there was a threat and when he takes a turn she bails out the vehicle
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with her small child and then hides the baby and hides herself and the the person that picked her up drives off in
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the police report it's a little different because in the movie he says again it's
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a movie I understand but he says before I kill you I'm going to throw your baby out the window and in the police report
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there is no such threat of her account of that night in fact there's actually no threat at all it
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just says that she became increasingly concerned and became terrified as they just kept driving and driving and
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driving and per the per the police report she says that when they got to either a stoplight or stop sign so the
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vehicle is now stopped that's when she fled the vehicle and she didn't in fact hide but ran into a field
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and just kept running out into the field for a while until he left the area and then of course had to flag someone down
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what's interesting though here that is not in the movie is that her vehicle and this is no mistake at
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all was moved it was moved from the the location where she left it and not only was it moved it looked like someone
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attempted to burn out the vehicle set it on fire from the inside but was unsuccessful in doing so now the reason
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why this gets lumped into the zodiac is one the time frame you know this is just
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a handful of months five months after the Paul Stein murder but then top that off with the
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description that she offers up is very similar to descriptions of the zodiac so much so that she sees the wanted poster
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for the man in the Paul Stein murder and says that's the guy that gave me the ride that's the guy that jacked up my
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tire and gave me the ride that's the son of a [ __ ] well then you can have you have to double down here because later
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zodiac will lay claim to this attack in one of his Communications to the police or to the newspapers but but again he
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could have read about the attack by that time right when he when he then claims to have been the man who he says
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something you know smart ass statement like zodiac likes to give I'm the the man that gave the that poor woman a ride
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or or the driver that uh helped out that woman on that night yeah it's uh do we have any record of her saying the the
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height of this individual or I mean other than he just looked like the the wanted poster well that's
00:37:27
interesting because they you know she would have seen him for the majority of the time based off of that story they
00:37:32
would have been sitting right next to one another yeah so she'd have a decent amount decent idea of his height based
00:37:39
off of the two sitting next to one another of course she saw him out of outside of the vehicle a couple of times
00:37:44
but she said that the man the driver was actually shorter than her now she was a
00:37:50
tall woman five foot nine and so the police list the height of this man at five foot eight but that also fits with
00:37:59
close to other descriptions and like we said eyewitness reports you have to have a little wiggle room
00:38:06
there but as everyone knows Captain the regardless if the murders continued or not zodiac would have us believe that
00:38:15
they did often sending Communications saying that he has killed more people he puts a
00:38:21
tally like a murder number tally on some of his Communications and the number just keeps going up so he would have us
00:38:31
believe that the murders are continuing we can't confirm that what we can confirm is that the communications
00:38:38
continued and this continued up until it's believed to be 1974. yeah with the last murder the last
00:38:48
confirmed zodiac attack and murder taking place in late 1969. so it seems like the need to keep the communication
00:38:59
going was more important than the actual murders themselves if in fact he stopped
00:39:05
killing in 1969. come on this leads a lot of people to believe that the Zodiac died in in 74 as well because the letter
00:39:15
stopped he got writer's block it happens well or or he got to the point where he's like I'm not committing any more
00:39:23
real crimes why keep writing to law enforcement the more you have communication with them the more likely
00:39:32
you are to get caught and you're taking claims for crimes that we can't even prove that he did yes it's
00:39:39
keeping the risk level very high when you're communicating with the newspapers or police or what have you
00:39:47
and you know I know that the FBI Mind hunter that type of stuff they would say keep
00:39:54
these communications going and it looks like San Francisco and all involved did the best that they could to keep these
00:40:02
communications right going and in fact one of the more famous communiques in the whole zodiac investigation is the
00:40:10
letter to Paul Avery which was received October 27 1970. now this communication is quite scary for many reasons
00:40:20
especially if you're Paul Avery this was a Halloween card signed with the letter
00:40:26
Z and the Zodiac logo this was a threat to Paul Avery and the Zodiac wanted him to take this seriously
00:40:39
because apparently zodiac did not like what Paul Avery was writing about him in the chronicle Paul Avery was a
00:40:47
well-known reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle who had been covering the Zodiac case there would be
00:40:55
further Communications but Captain the Zodiac went silent for nearly three years
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before a letter from the Zodiac was postmarked and received by the chronicle on January 29
00:41:14
1974. this was the letter that was praising The Exorcist as the best satirical comedy that I have ever seen
00:41:24
being the words of the zodiac and the letter included a the Zodiac Killer thinks he's hilarious yes he does and
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and this is where he gives us the score right the San Francisco Police Department equals zero so f sfpd equals
00:41:45
zero me equal 37 giving the indication that he's killed 37 people and they've not been able to catch him
00:41:55
the San Francisco Police Department yeah I I find the Zodiac Killer to be super fascinating as long as well as so many
00:42:04
others and there's so much that we could talk about it's one of those cases that
00:42:10
people have been telling us oh we'd love for you to cover zodiac really to do the Zodiac case
00:42:18
proper I mean you could be talking about months and months of information from other crimes that people suspect
00:42:29
that he did that were not confirmed from suspects to everything wrong with those suspects and
00:42:37
everything right with those suspects it's a lot of information to cover well you have the Sherry Jo Bates murder
00:42:45
which may or may not be connected to the Zodiac it's forever linked to the Zodiac
00:42:50
but should they solve Sherry Jo bates's murder that doesn't mean that they've solved the Zodiac cases as well we can't
00:42:58
confirm that they're in fact connected other than we as the general public have always kind of linked them together ever
00:43:05
since those letters were received in the 70s and so Sherry Joe bates's murder investigation alone you could talk about
00:43:14
for for several episodes but then you also have the Domingo's Edwards case that's a whole Standalone case on its
00:43:23
own we don't know for certain that it's connected to the Zodiac we also have the
00:43:28
the nurse that went missing uh at Lake Tahoe another case of possible zodiac and then you have right here on this
00:43:37
what's often referred to as the Zodiac's Exorcist letter of him saying 37 victims
00:43:45
sfpd zero we only have five confirmed victims if you add Sherry Joe Bates now we're up to six Domingos Edwards we're
00:43:53
up to eight I mean I'm sure that we got a lot of blanks to fill in here uh at 37. yeah
00:43:59
but I'm sure that the San Francisco PD killed some people within that time that zodiac has just not giving them credit
00:44:06
for no I don't think that's what he means okay so but then the other thing here though becomes take almost every
00:44:14
famous crime expert they've had weigh in on zodiac you could do a week-long uh series on just the profiles that people
00:44:25
have given the expert profiles that people have given on the Zodiac well in Robert gray Smith's top suspect Arthur
00:44:33
Lee Allen alone is is hours of information and that's hours of information that list pros and cons for
00:44:42
why he is a good or bad zodiac suspect there is no perfect zodiac suspect yet because we would have The Man Behind
00:44:51
Bars he would have been caught for at least the five murder orders that we know the Zodiac to have committed but
00:44:57
again what we wanted to focus on mainly is the confirm Crimes of the zodiac and they confirm letters and communication
00:45:06
of the zodiac well and throughout time Captain ever since the Zodiac went silent in 1974 and even before that when
00:45:14
maybe the murder stopped in 1969 everyone has been trying to figure out who the zodiac is not just the San
00:45:21
Francisco police department or the Vallejo sheriff's department or Napa County Sheriff's department but the
00:45:27
public in general the state of California the communities and people of California and therefore we have had
00:45:33
probably dozens of suspects that their names have popped up from time to time some of the more famous would be Ted
00:45:41
Kaczynski the Unabomber he's someone who has been rumored to possibly be the Zodiac you have Rick Marshall who has
00:45:49
been a popular suspect throughout the years and in fact we have Ted Cruz right who was not even alive when the Zodiac
00:45:57
killings took place but he looks a lot like the picture so I mean dispute dispute all you will maybe he's a
00:46:04
vampire I don't know but um the thing is you don't have proof he isn't with with
00:46:09
the Zodiac two we know for a fact that the male perpetrators in the Manson family were looked at
00:46:18
strongly they were very strongly looked at and even stated to have been cleared by investigators as not being the Zodiac
00:46:29
one interesting one of late would be Gary Stewart who published a book in 2014 called the most dangerous animal of
00:46:39
all in which he claimed that his research his search for his biological father which turned out to be Earl Van
00:46:48
best Jr he says his search for his father led him to conclude that van best Jr was in
00:46:56
fact the Zodiac Killer and this anytime a new suspect comes about no matter if it's look we should be clear though Gary
00:47:05
Stewart is not the first person to come forward and say hey my father was the Zodiac there's been other people to say
00:47:12
hey I think my stepfather was the Zodiac or my father was the Zodiac my uncle was
00:47:16
the Zodiac one problem with the Zodiac case Captain is the the famous composite sketch drawing of the zodiac
00:47:27
a lot of dudes looked like that in the late 60s and through not just California throughout the United States and what
00:47:35
yeah most guys look like they were a penis wearing glasses in the late 60s but but this is also very similar to
00:47:44
Black Dahlia there's a lot of people that my father or my my stepfather I think it just happens in these huge
00:47:54
notorious cases well that's very interesting because Steve Hodel claims his father George Hodel was the
00:48:02
Black Dahlia killer and the Zodiac Killer and then of course everybody who listens to this show or basically any
00:48:10
other True Crime podcast knows the name Edward Edwards or Ed Edwards and it's been claimed that basically any unsolved
00:48:18
homicide at Edwards is responsible for now again anytime somebody brings up any of these suspects the zodiac is a big
00:48:27
name okay the Zodiac he was selling papers by writing to the police by writing to the
00:48:34
newspapers himself still to this day newspapers are selling newspapers by putting the Zodiac's name in articles
00:48:41
and on their front pages and so throughout time when any of these suspects pop up we want to get a
00:48:49
statement from law enforcement how good is this new suspect was he somebody that
00:48:55
you looked at in 68 69 or 70 is this name just new to the public or is it new to law enforcement as well
00:49:04
so I found a May 3rd 2018. press release from the Vallejo Police Department this says the Zodiac case has
00:49:14
been an open investigation for several decades in the City of Vallejo with any open homicide investigation Vallejo
00:49:23
police detectives still follow up on New Leads and continually work to identify a
00:49:29
suspect over the course of this investigation Vallejo police detectives have always taken advantage of emerging
00:49:37
Technologies and new advances in forensic science to assist in the identification of a suspect currently we
00:49:45
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00:49:54
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