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cry [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] a a lust murder is one of the most
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heinous crimes committed by man while not a common occurrence it is one which frightens and arouses the public as does
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no other crime of primary concern are those factors which differentiate the lust
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murder from the more common sadistic homicide physical evidence present at the scene May assist in determining the
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responsible individual or individuals and possible personality characteristics of the
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murderer the material presented is not applicable to all such crimes and perpetrators but rather the majority the
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data presented is based upon examination of case reports interviews with investigative personnel and a careful
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review of the literature the lust murder is unique and distinguished from the sadistic homicide
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by the involvement of a mutilating attack or displacement of the breast rectum or genitals further while there
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are always exceptions basically two types of individuals commit the lust murder these individuals are labeled as
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organized non-social and disorganized asocial personalities the lust murder is premeditated in the obsessive fantasies
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of the perpetrator yet the killer may act on spur of the moment when the opportunity presents
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itself that is to say the murderer has precisely planned the crimes in his fantasies but has not consciously
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decided to act out those fantasies until the moment of the crime consequently the
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victim is typically unknown to the killer the lust murder is committed in a brutally sadistic manner
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while the victim may be either male or female the crime is predominantly heterosexual and intal in nature the
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victim's body exhibits gross mutilation and may have been subjected to excessive
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stabbing or slashing with a sharp instrument the victim's death typically occurs shortly following the abduction
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or attack and the mutilation that takes place follows death seldom will the lust murderer use
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a firearm to kill for he experiences too little psychosexual gratification with such an impersonal
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weapon most frequently death results from strangulation blunt force or the use of a pointed sharp
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instrument the investigator may find that the victim has been bitten on the breast buttox neck abdomen thighs or
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genitals limb or breast amputation or in some instances total dissection may have taken
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place frequently the murderer will take a souvenir normally an object or an article of clothing belonging to the
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victim but occasionally it will be a more personal reminder of the encounter a finger a lock of hair or a part of the
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body with sexual Association the souven is taken to enable the murderer to relive the scene in later
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fantasies the killer here is acting out his fantasy and complete possession of the victim is part of that
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fantasy the killer may be compelled to return to the scene what set of circumstances create
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the individual who becomes the lust murderer it is generally Al accepted that the foundation of the personality
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is formed within the first few years of life while extreme stress frequent narcotic use or alcohol abuse can cause
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personality disorganization and later life it is the early years that are critical to the personality structure
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and development seldom does the lust murder come from an environment of love and
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understanding it is more likely that he was an abused or neglected child who experienced a great deal of conflict in
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his early life and was unable to develop and use adequate coping devices had he been able to do so he
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would have withstood the stresses placed on him and developed normally in childhood the lust murderer is
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premeditated in obsessive fantasies fantasy provides them an Avenue of escape from a world of hate and
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rejection Dr James Reinhardt in his book sex perversions and sex crimes has written a study of these cases almost
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invariably reveals a long struggle against the forward thrust by fantasy the murderer attempts
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to wall himself in against the Fatal Act while at the same time gratifying the compulsive psychic demands in the
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development and use of fantasy these sadistic fantasies seem always to have preceded the brutal Act
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of lust murder these fantasies take on all sorts of grotesque and cruel forms the Pervert on this level of
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degeneracy May resort to pornographic pictures grotesque and cruel literary episodes out of which he weaves
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fantasies on these his imagination dwells until he loses all contact with reality only to find himself suddenly
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impelled to carry his fantasies into the world of actuality this is done apparently by
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drawing human objects into the fantasy the victim may represent something he desires sexually but is
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unable to approach this is true crime garage and this is the Slayer book of [Music]
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[Applause] [Music] death [Music] what I just read to you Captain was from the April 1980 volume 49 number four FBI
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law enforcement bulletin this is a law enforcement bulletin from the FBI that goes out to inform and educate law
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enforcement agencies and other departments within the FBI it's my favorite volume that's
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right it's at the top of the stack on your your collector's batch that you have of all of the FBI bulletins I don't
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know if this is still a current thing to be honest with you but um I had often read in other books where Roy Hazelwood
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and John Douglas cited this bulletin and they would reference this bulletin the article that they wrote for the April
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1980 Edition I'd never read the full article itself and I was lucky enough to find it and I wanted to include what is
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my own summary a summarized version of that article because it's many pages long and it goes off into a few
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different areas that are not so important for our case today but in general Captain the bulletin will
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discuss things like training Administration operations community relations and all
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sort of things from fighting crime to just the day-to-day operations of running any Public Service Agency they
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of course include info about who is wanted by the FBI and crime Trends in this release they have a great
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section dedicated to Crime problems what they label as crime problems and a lengthy and Brilliant article put
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together by of course two of the garage's favorites and two of the FBI's finest Roy Hazelwood and John
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Douglas again that was my summarized version and I won't go into all of the reasons
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why it was summarized but again some of it's just not important to what we will be discussing today a lot of it focuses
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on the differences between what they were calling the organized nonsocial and disorganized asocial personalities of
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these types of killers I specifically left those parts out because that was 1980 and since then we have learned that
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these same Prof filers and others agree that there is also what is called a mixed offender one who exhibits both
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organized and disorganized criminal traits and then to quote Douglas's 1997 book Journey Into Darkness on page 240
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Douglas writes in this article meaning the FBI bulletin article that we just read we Douglas and Hazelwood divided
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lust murderers into two broad categories organized non-social and disorganized asocial though we don't use the
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nonsocial and asocial terms much any longer what that means Captain is not so much that they do not apply anymore but
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they still apply however they apply differently than once thought back in the late 70s and 1980 when the article
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came out we have learned obviously so much more about lust murderers and serial offenders and Killers since then
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the purpose of reading that summary in the trailer one is it's educational and if we are not learning along the way in
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this garage Journey well then we are just getting dumber and I personally cannot afford for that to happen that's
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the path I'm on my friend but two because it's very much appropriate for this week's case so if you have your
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speedo on Mr Captain let's dive in shall we on Thursday July 29th 1993 our case this week starts off in
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Ellis County Texas now due to the location of this week's case we are likely going to reference a lot of cases
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that the garage has covered in the past if you want to listen to those episodes very obviously you get the free Stitcher
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app and I must say captain some of our best work I believe has been conducted in the great state of Texas people
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outside of Texas may not recognize this area by name but they will by location Ellis County is directly south of Dallas
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Texas we covered the strangely still unsolved murder of Missy beavers that homicide took place in the city of
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Midlothian which is in the mid the northwest corner of Ellis County MH and a longtime listeners of the garage will
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remember the controversial case of Cameron Todd Willingham The Trial By Fire case that took place in corsac can
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Texas which is south of Ellis County now Interstate 45 runs from Dallas Texas through Ellis County then down through
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Houston and all the way to galvaston and I45 is believed by many to have a direct
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connection to some of the Texas Killing Fields cases so our listeners know this area they're
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familiar this Thursday was a hot and human one one can only imagine the hot Texas summer in Late July a road crew
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was out doing some work now that afternoon one of the workers spots something strange off in the brush some
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distance away and he points it out to one of his fellow workers so the two go to investigate as they're getting closer
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one of the men says I think we might be seeing a person and then he says I think
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it might be a woman as they got closer there was a horrific smell sure enough it was a body a dead nude
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female lying partially on her back one of the workers stays with the body the other man ran for a vehicle so that they
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could go and get some help the worker went to the nearest town this is talico and notified the authorities now
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we have the Ellis County Sheriff's Department on the scene here is what they found it was in fact the nude body
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of a female but because of bloating in the Texas heat it was difficult to determine on site just about how long
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the body had been there adding to that the body was missing both the head and hands they had been removed and the body
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was covered in Cuts so deputies and detectives searched the immediate area now of course they are looking for Clues
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and evidence but in this situation Unfortunately they are also looking for the female's clothing and the missing
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body parts right but they would noticed the the head and hands immediately but wasn't also her uh nipples cut off and
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and her genitalia was mutilated and there was a good deal of Mutilation that was very obvious to the detectives on
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the scene that day now during their search they have an incredibly shock find the reports vary here captain on
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the distance most State 100 yards away so like a football field distance away right one report says more than 200
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yards away but regardless what they find is another body this is the body of a young man the workers were working near
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the Smith Creek Bridge the female body was located in some brush and brambles off of this Gravel Road in this rural
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location so an area not well traveled a road not used often right the mail boy was found again some distance away but
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the body was partially in the creek on the creek Bank somewhat near the bridge as his
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body mutilated that's what's that's what's so strange here Captain we have all of this incredible amounts of
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horrific mutilation done to the female body and it does not appear that there was any done to the male body so does
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that point to the idea that he was just in the way he was a casualty she was she
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was technically this Killer's hunt well I I think that it I think that they probably have a lot of initial
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suspicions and I don't know what they are but I think we can go through that somewhat here because what we're really
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looking at is two very different crime scenes from one another right we already discussed the female found lying
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partially on her back severed head and hands completely nuded and covered in cuts the male victim very quickly
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identified as no older than 15 you know we don't have the same amount of Mutilation going on to this victim so we
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can visually take a look and go this is a young male and immediately again they're saying no older than 15 was
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lying face down now he's completely clothed and no mutilation no dismemberment yeah shot twice in the
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head and that's it so the missing body parts were not found during the detectives searches of this area the
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Dallas Medical Examiner office determined that the boy was shot twice in the head as you said so we are not
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talking about a murder suicide here although we have seen strange cases where there are two shots in a suicide
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but it was very quick determine that we are looking for a we're looking at a murder murder double homicide yeah well
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and you could look at the hands as a that's an identification marker so did the killer take these hands to so you
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could it would be harder for you to identify her um and then obviously the head but we've seen with dmer and maybe
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you know of other killers that that use the head as a a trophy uh Bundy was known to take some heads as well and he
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used them for sexual gratification purposes which is a whole another disgusting topic um the male was shot
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with a 22 caliber gun Captain the female was shot as well in the back with what they could only determine to be a
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similar caliber weapon so that makes you wonder do we not find they must have found different evidence
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on the male victim than on the female to not be able to specifically State the caliber of the gun used on the female
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victim but she had been stabbed several times as well the head was removed at the base of
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the neck with either a large hunting knife or an axe or possibly a hatchet this is what the medical examiner's
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office is saying so usually Captain when we are saying things like this we think these were
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possibly the weapons used that would usually indicate that we are not talking about something being removed with
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surgical Precision right there were also Cuts along all over the body and she had
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extensive damage and wounds to her body the abdomen had been cut open with a large cut down the center almost like a
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like a y cut like you would typically see on a body once an autopsy had been performed well it's possible that this
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killer is just using one instrument using one knife and that's it possibly yeah the and we'll get into some of the
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psychological weird stuff of this and that's why we wanted that intro into this case where we have some of the
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experts telling us a little bit more about this lust murderer so usually and I'm sorry that we didn't tell you in
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advance that you should put down your chicken sandwich and wait to eat it this is going to be a tough to listen to
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gross couple of episodes and I I mean I apologize but this is the this is the case that we were asked to cover by many
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listeners this week so usually in this situation here Captain a killer will do this I'm talking about the cuts on the
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abdomen when attempting to successfully now there were cuts and mutilations done
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to a lot of the body but specifically to the thighs breast and genital areas the
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male body showed no signs of any of this mutilation at all that was seen on the female body the male was killed very
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quickly and it's likely though we can't say for certain because of the state of the female body it is likely that she
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died quickly as well yeah just it to me it the evidence points that he's just the casualty mhm to to get to her so we
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have the cuts we have the mutilation well it was obvious that the Killer and these aren't my words I'm
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quoting here stayed with the body for quite some time in reference to the female victim so we don't know who these
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victims are and we want to get a time of death or at least an approximate time of
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death so this won't be so much for identification purposes this this is more to cross check this approximate
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time of death against any Alibis of potential suspects especially if we end up in a situation where we have more
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than one suspect and spoiler alert we will before we get into time of death because the victim was found nude It is
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believed that this was obviously a sex crime but the medical examiner could find no real signs of sexual assault on
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the body or signs of this at the scene where the body was found also decomposition made it impossible to
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definitively State this finding another weird thing was there was a lot of bruising around the place where the
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hands had been severed and this suggested to the medical examiner and the investigators
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be back cheers to you captain was like nobody wanted to be the first one to Cheers hey it's hot outside it's cold in
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the garage a little bashful in our Speedos yeah I got on my not only do I have on
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my Speedo but I have my mighty Van Halen t-shirt on as well so it's a good it's a
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good day in the garage put some pants on the medical examiner found fly larvae on
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both bodies what they will do is they're going to use this fly larvae to help help determine the approximate time of
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death because as investigators we have a lot of questions here right it looks like they were quite thorough with this
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the medical examiner came to the conclusion but also Enlisted the help of an expert in this specific area so
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getting the second opinion this was provided by a forensic entomologist in Illinois the two concluded the following
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the estimated time of death of both victims was about 2 days prior between the evening of July 26 and the early
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morning of July 27th but we also have some major questions here for the detectives to
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work out and one that you kept going to but I wasn't ready to get to just yet Captain was why remove the head and
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hands well the hands could be for a number of reasons but like I said before I think it'd be more so to stop you from
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identifying the body correct and I believe that that was the initial thought of the d The Detectives on the
00:31:05
scene right right but this to me seems like a very uh Confused scene I don't or disorganized scene because you have two
00:31:15
victims you take the hands of one victim you leave the hands of the other victim
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well now that if you can properly identify the male victim we're going to have a better idea of who the female
00:31:29
victim is it doesn't seem like for for the suspicion of the medical examiner to say
00:31:37
that it is obvious that the killer stayed with the body of the female victim so we know that there was time
00:31:46
spent at the crime scene that was not necessary to the killing of both of these victims however the killer or
00:31:54
Killers apparently use that time to for excitement purposes rather than for preventing the detectives from
00:32:04
figuring out what happened here is what it looks like to me because typically removing the head and hands as you said
00:32:11
is to prevent identification of the victim now the weird thing here is it's 1993 so we're in that weird period of
00:32:22
time where DNA is starting to come about and so the killer obvious VI ly didn't know if that was their intention did not
00:32:30
know that that DNA was a possibility for identifying the victim right it but to go into that a little deeper
00:32:40
Okay so we've talked about this plenty of times on on the show The more effort to conceal a body or conceal the
00:32:49
identity of a victim often indicates that there's some type of personal relationship with the victim right
00:32:58
if usually the Killer is trying to conceal himself in a way because he might be the most obvious person to have
00:33:08
killed the victim could be a boyfriend could be a husband could be hey we went around town asking anybody if anybody
00:33:14
wanted to hurt Mary Jane and three people told us Bob Smith wants to do it right so he doesn't want the victim to
00:33:24
be identified but then there's also some other situations that work in that manner as well you could have a
00:33:31
situation where the victim is not from the area that the victim was brought to the dumb site from another location
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usually far away and left there and if law enforcement can't identify the body then they don't know that Jane Doe from
00:33:46
California or everyone thought you know everyone already thought that she ran away uh
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turns out she was a murder victim right but we can't identify her or Janice doe from Ohio who was abducted 3
00:34:00
weeks ago is actually our victim found in Ellis County Texas yeah but then as you point out you find another body and
00:34:07
we can deduce from the two victims sharing the approximate time of death that they were placed at about the same
00:34:13
time and there was no dismemberment of the male victim yeah let the deducing begin so no attempt to conceal this
00:34:21
victim's identity so the dismemberment and then compound that with all of the other
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mutilation it seems like the motive for this was simply completely different you
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know they searched the area and the body parts were not found so it wasn't done simply for
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fun and pardon me for saying so but the mutilation appears to have been done for
00:34:45
excitement purposes for some of these killers the mutilation itself the mutilation of the victim to them is the
00:34:52
sexual act that they were fantasizing about for some it's What in investigators often refer to as playing
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with or examining the body right that really happens it's not so much sexual it's more of a Fascination they want to
00:35:09
examine the body play with it and then for others and a lot of times you see this mixed in with the sexual aspect or
00:35:18
both well don't take this the wrong way I don't want to have it come off insensitive but it's it's kind of the
00:35:25
idea of opening up a radio for example like you you have a radio and you as a kid and you go well how does this
00:35:33
work what are all the pieces here right or sometimes when a kid gets an instrument like a guitar or something
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okay I I see the neck I see the strings where are the wires M oh there's just these screws let me undo that and
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so it's almost like um like you said I mean so but but what you're stating is that there's a sexual gratification
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ification from playing with the body well there can be and then again there's other times like you just stated where
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they're fascinated with the body and want to take it apart and examine it again it
00:36:09
sounds insensitive to say this but this is some of the science behind the psychology of some of these horrible
00:36:16
monsters that perform acts like this that we are talking about today there are reasons why the FBI and people study
00:36:23
these types of of horrific murderers so that they can get some kind of General understanding for why they do what they
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do and hope to be able to catch them faster MH the other thing too with this type of Mutilation and I've seen this in
00:36:40
several cases before is that sometimes when there's a lot of hate and rage built up in
00:36:48
somebody and a killer that sometimes not only do they want to kill a specific person or specific victim they want to
00:36:58
destroy them and they want to destroy them in appearance they want their body to not be recognizable When anybody
00:37:06
finds it they don't care that it's being found in fact they likely want the body
00:37:10
to be found they want it to be found in that horrific manner because their goal was to not just kill that person but
00:37:18
destroy that person and it could be the person is a surrogate for somebody else yeah but maybe it's a sub you know like
00:37:25
a conscious subconscious type thing where it's like so so consciously you're destroying the body because you feel
00:37:34
like there's something broken or destroyed inside you or somebody destroyed that in you right or
00:37:40
subconsciously you could do that yeah but also maybe that you're leaving the body behind because subconsciously or I
00:37:49
guess consciously you want you want them to find that body because that's like a
00:37:56
note it's almost like a note saying I was hurt I was broken I was all these things now come find me or this is what
00:38:04
I'm capable of I mean it could be a little bit of both or could be not thought out at well at all and but what
00:38:11
I do find that's interesting one thing that we kept really going to time and time again in the trailer was the
00:38:18
thought of a lot of times these killers fantasize about violence they fantasize about killing and they've actually
00:38:26
thought about about it and premeditated what they want to do for a long period of time sometimes year sometimes a
00:38:33
lifetime and then when an opportunity presents itself they've not premeditated that they're going to kill
00:38:41
that person on that day at that time it's just this is what I've always wanted to do here's my opportunity
00:38:49
what's amazing how different from an actual human these animals are right these monsters
00:38:58
are because I I remember watching it was and it was a bad dmer film mhm um but it was this
00:39:06
whole notion that he he had this fantasy of laying next to an individual and I remember thinking at the time that's not
00:39:14
a bad thing I I'm sure at some point when I was you know 12 years old I thought oh wonder what it' be like to
00:39:21
lay next to a girl so my initial thought was oh well he maybe he is just homosexual and wants to lay next to a
00:39:29
man there's nothing wrong with that until you find out that he wants that individual to be
00:39:35
unconscious and then we dead yeah and then you go whoa that's that's a whole different level here mhm like I don't
00:39:44
even I couldn't even begin to understand how that would just pop up into individual's head who I think it works
00:39:52
differently for everyone one yeah I think that some it's it's always been there and some it's a a morphing into
00:40:02
that over a period of time and there's the psychology behind that is typically that the the offender often feels
00:40:12
rejected or that they don't belong they don't fit in and that they could never please so that on some kind of level
00:40:21
they feel better in an intimate setting to be with somebody that is unconscious or or already dead because they cannot
00:40:31
judge them there there's a lot that goes into it and then really the other part of this too in our case here Captain is
00:40:39
is it possible that the killer took these items as a souvenir took the clothing took the missing remains as
00:40:49
some kind of weird sick souvenir now detectives did catch a huge break okay remember the boy was fully clothed
00:41:00
well in one of the boy pockets they find a wallet inside the wallet is a library
00:41:06
card that's right a good oldfashioned library card the name on the card was James with the middle initial b last
00:41:14
name King James B King now with a lead and a name that could belong to the victim or even maybe the suspect or who
00:41:24
knows but we have to see where this goes so the detectives start calling around to other police departments so Captain
00:41:34
there is a small town about 15 miles away from our crime scene named Garrett they learned from the officers in
00:41:45
Garrett that they recently took a missing person's report two teenage kids were missing a boy and a girl the boy
00:41:54
was Brian King the girl girl was his stepsister the report was filed by the parents so the detectives take the
00:42:02
library card and a photo of the male victim and they go to the home of the missing
00:42:11
teenagers there desect detectives speak with the father of Brian King they very quickly learn that Brian's real name is
00:42:21
James Brian King okay so the missing person's report says Brian King they have this library card of James
00:42:28
King but they figure out the boy's real name is James Brian King same as on the library card James B King right the boy
00:42:36
went by the name Brian now everyone is fearing that the female victim is likely Brian's stepsister Christina and
00:42:43
Benjamin the photo of the male victim is shown to the father of the missing kids
00:42:49
wow and he confirms that the male victim is in fact his 14-year-old son Brian and
00:42:56
no one knows for sure but again the female victim law enforcement is now working on the theory that she that that
00:43:04
victim is the stepsister Christina who is age 13 right so who would want to kill a couple of teenagers well the
00:43:12
missing person's report will provide another good lead in this case Brian's father said that on the night of the
00:43:20
kid's disappearance he woke up to see Brian talking to somebody in a tan sedan so
00:43:29
something wakes up James King this was late right around midnight right Brian had asked if he could sleep outside you
00:43:37
know summertime do a little do a little camp out in the yard James goes over to the window after something wakes him up
00:43:44
and sees Brian talking to someone one report actually says talking to some people in his hand vehicle which would
00:43:53
imply that James saw more than one person in the vehicle I don't have the actual police report so
00:44:00
I can't say for certain but most Reports say talking to some people or talking to
00:44:04
someone but everything says a tan sedan yeah now this is interesting and what's up with these killers and tan cars do
00:44:14
they make I don't see a lot of tan cars anymore no I mean Bundy had a tan Beetle right so what what a weird I'd
00:44:23
like me a nice flesh colored yeah Cadillac give me a flesh colored vehicle maybe that's the fascination I don't
00:44:31
know if if I had kids I would if I'd let them sleep outside cuz I know when I was
00:44:37
a kid they put the tent outside and then about midnight oh the parents are probably asleep let's go maybe toilet
00:44:44
paper maybe egg a house you know maybe uh what they call that ding-dong ditch where you ring the doorbell and then you
00:44:52
take off running mhm um the stupid stuff and then eventually the cops would come
00:44:58
and be like put your hands up but uh but then you know you have and and Brian's young I mean he's 14 years old and
00:45:07
talking to a somebody in a tan sedan th this is an interesting detail because it
00:45:14
it's a detail that has been debated over the years whether it was more than one person in the vehicle or just a
00:45:21
driver one thing that I think might be a possible answer here is that Brian was talking to someone in the vehicle the
00:45:29
vehicle contains the driver of the car whoever that is it sounds like Brian's Father James did not have a good clean
00:45:35
visual of the people in the car I think there was two people in the car but I think that possibly the second person
00:45:45
was Brian's stepsister Christina right so here's what we learned Christina was asleep inside the house she she shares a
00:45:55
room with her little sister now James and his wife obviously did not know that Brian was missing
00:46:04
technically until the next morning right he saw Brian talking with someone in a car and just assumed hey it's one of
00:46:09
Brian's friends and that James went back to bed the next morning he first discovers Brian is gone and then
00:46:17
discovers Christina is gone the parents didn't phone this in right away because despite the kids being good kids and
00:46:26
neither of them had ever done anything like this you know taking off in the middle of the night they've never done
00:46:31
this before they don't call it in right away because of what James saw the parents just assumed the two were out
00:46:38
running around with some friends this is also backed up because the little sister
00:46:44
tells Mom and Dad the next day that around midnight Brian came into the sister's bedroom
00:46:50
woke up Christina telling her someone was outside she she should get up and sneak
00:46:57
out uhhuh the family believed that this sounded like something that was pre-arranged with both kids gone that
00:47:06
day the parents spent the day calling people that knew either Brian or Christina or both and of course driving
00:47:14
around out conducting their own search for the two teenagers when the kids were gone for a second night that morning the
00:47:21
parents notified the police so now it looks like we have two teenagers sneaking out meeting up with someone in
00:47:27
a tan sedan right the parents do not know who the vehicle belongs to of course we should assume possibly
00:47:35
an older kid here just based off of driving age yeah and I I don't mind the idea of assuming that
00:47:42
maybe Brian sister's in the car but it's it's very possible especially at that that time of night uh let's say a 16 to
00:47:51
17year old kid with his license he's driving his friend back home and they stop and he talks to Brian and then hey
00:48:01
I'm going to drop off my B buddy I'll be right back the other interesting thing too is you're also working on the theory
00:48:08
that likely whoever took them that night or got them to leave willingly that night right must know one or both of the
00:48:20
teenagers yeah the there was some hair that was found at the body dump site so at the crime scene deputies found
00:48:28
several strands of blonde hair Christina had long blonde hair so kudos to the detective and the deputies who noticed
00:48:38
and took this stuff into evidence because of these hairs the detectives asked the parents if they could collect
00:48:45
some of Christina's hair from the house and compare it to what was found and they did the parents also provided an
00:48:53
x-ray to police Christina not long ago had an accident at school and she broke her foot the parents gave the ex-ray to
00:49:04
police so they could compare this here's what they found the X-ray proved to be a
00:49:10
match the unidentified female had suffered the same injury so they were pretty certain to begin with already but
00:49:17
now they were they had proof that the body was that of missing Christina Benjamin the hair is a bit of a
00:49:24
different story so they found possible hair evidence in more than one location at the two body recovery sites some of
00:49:33
the blonde hair belonged to Christina and some of it did not the hairs did not belong to Brian King either so there is
00:49:41
a chance the hair belongs to the killer right so as far as the leads go it looks to me Captain like we are
00:49:50
looking for the driver of a tan sedan who was out front at Brian and Christina's home around midnight just a
00:49:58
couple days earlier and this person may or may not have blonde hair well just think about everybody in this case so
00:50:05
far I mean think about the cops that have to show up at that scene and what they have to deal with what they have to
00:50:13
what they now will have to mentally picture for the rest of their lives yeah think about the two workers
00:50:20
that were didn't sign up to be cops or detectives right that were out they signed up to work on roads I work on
00:50:28
roads and they find the body of the female victim and then they have to decide who's going to stay with the body
00:50:38
while the other person goes and gets help and notifies the authorities well and then the other thing that you have
00:50:44
to wrap your head around a little bit as far as the parents go as far as the detectives go is you go okay well now we
00:50:52
we've identified the two victims mhm got a 14-year-old and a 13-year-old right brother and steps
00:51:01
sister or sister and step brother however you want to word it it's the same thing same thing same difference
00:51:08
but then you go well we did see them possibly talking to somebody at night and we're now put in this person in the
00:51:18
realm of the the possibility of a teenager right mhm we already know that come we already know how sick and
00:51:29
dangerous this person is but now you're saying that it's possibly a teenager I mean that's that's a lot to I
00:51:38
think to deal with and wrap your head around well you're right because immediately now if you're if you're
00:51:43
thinking that one or both of the victims knew the perpetrator or the perpetrators right that they would have
00:51:50
been someone that ran in one or both of their circles and most likely putting them closer in age or similar in age to
00:51:59
the victims the thing here too Captain is it's really looking like your window of
00:52:06
time is closing that this is not just your best suspect because the tan vehicle was seen at their home around
00:52:13
midnight on the 26th but then we're going to cross check that with the approximate time of death that's partly
00:52:19
why that's so important the approximate time of death is from that same time period the evening of the 26th or the
00:52:27
morning of the 27th so we have a small window here if this person in the tan sedan was not the killer then they have
00:52:35
a lot of explaining to do and then we need to further our timeline past that person for our victims before they end
00:52:43
up dead at that dump site right now this next bit Captain is from true crime author Katherine Ramson she is
00:52:53
discussing the fact that local Detective Ives consulted with profilers regarding
00:52:58
these specific murders she says the profilers went on to describe this killer as organized antisocial and
00:53:09
fitting the typical Behavior profile of what they called a lust murderer what excited him was torture and mutilation
00:53:18
and possibly even a bit of necrofilia such people were driven by violent fantasy and when opportunity and
00:53:26
tension crossed paths the result was usually destructive this person would abuse substances and would have a car
00:53:36
and be fairly mobile he would collect weapons and take souvenirs from the crime scene he would also attend to
00:53:44
media coverage and collect articles about his crimes the motive was typically wrapped up in rejection
00:53:52
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