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chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] Samuel little has confessed to 93
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murders it's disturbing to listen to but investigators want to hear it all and more
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the most prolific serial killer in American history and once she goes back to the car
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little says he has a photographic memory and has drawn sketches of his victims bronze sketches
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Bundy Gacy the Green River Killer all topping the list of some of the most prolific serial killers of all time
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but the number of victims taken by each of these monsters is dwarfed by the evil work of another killer
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a killer who was so stealthy and cunning that often not only did no one know who
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had committed the murder in some cases no one knew that his victims had even been murdered
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this man stayed under the radar for decades killed dozens of victims in multiple
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States over a 35-year period the only reason that we know about most of these murders
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is because he decided to talk [Music] this is true crime garage and this is the story of Sam little the
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killer of women oh foreign Cold Case detectives in La were working on building a case of three homicides
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committed by Sam little and they are starting to connect him to other similar Cold Case homicides in other states
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so now in 2013 after Sam little has continually murdered America's women for roughly four decades Sam little was
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indicted once again and facing trial in California for the 1987 and 1989 murders
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of Carol Guadalupe and Audrey in Mississippi investigators were going back to reopen
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cold cases that fit Sam's Mo and murders that occurred during the time that he lived in Mississippi his first arrest
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there was in 1977. his last was in 1982. these arrests amongst other things teach us and tell us that he was in fact
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in Mississippi for a period of time a Mississippi investigator told the Sun Herald newspaper quote we know he left
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some for dead but they survived they are good Witnesses now they remember everything that happened to them like it
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was yesterday they have always identified Sam little as their attacker Sam little is a monster there's no
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telling how many people he's attacked or killed now that little had finally been
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nailed for murders that very strongly resembled Mississippi's 1982 Cold Case murder of 24 year old Melinda lupree
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detectives started trying to put together a case against Sam little tracking down old Witnesses and
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retesting physical evidence in Melinda's case but of course in the interim between the murder in 1982 and 2013
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decades had passed and little had killed many women during that time the failure
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of Florida and Mississippi authorities to nail Sam little in the early 80s would be replicated over and over again
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throughout the United States for decades now we know that they tried to put Sam little on trial
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back in San Diego but that didn't work out so this will be the first real investigation into Sam little and his
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crimes and this starts in 2012 2013. this will be significantly different from any other investigation that took
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place in Sam Little's existence so this is after Little's arrest in 2012 in California and the discovery that
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three unsolved murders could definitively be linked to him by DNA California investigators put together
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the other attacks he had carried out on the two San Diego women back in 1984. remember Tanya and Lori that we talked
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about yesterday as they dug into little they began to realize that this guy whose background in life history was
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very vague and who was nomadic potentially had as many as 40 other murder victims they started reaching out
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across the country to try to get a handle on just how widespread his crimes may be and to see if he could be
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conclusively linked to other murders but of course Captain this is going to be quite the challenge
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so they started off by searching CODIS until the computer started smoking from so much action there were no more cases
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in which Little's DNA could Point them to a murder and his fingerprints turned up in police files time and time again
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but only for lesser crimes Petty crimes like theft in the murder inquiries as the LA Times
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put it modern forensics played no role the inquiries came down to shoe leather police work interrogations and digging
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through Dusty files for Clues like a Western Union MoneyGram from 1982 a witness who spotted a yellow El Dorado a
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prostitute's last meal of carrots that's what a lot of these cases are going to come down to single but very specific
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situations and items Within These individual cases throughout the United States now keep in mind
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we are talking about many murdered victims from an era before taking DNA samples on corpses was standard if
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little left a trail of bodies they were going to have a hard time following it because the victims he was suspected of
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killing often preceded DNA databases if they were identified by name they still were likely to have been killed long
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before DNA analysis so any connection to little would be unknown from a physical
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evidence standpoint and even if the victims did have names you know many of them became Jane does they could still
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have predated DNA testing or be the type of victim that no one bothers to take a DNA sample from
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many of his victims were sex workers and performing a rape kit was deemed useless
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in a lot of these cases that sounds horrific and that's going to be jaw dropping to many people to hear that
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statement but it is in fact true when you have a sex worker you can't just simply say that oh we found semen
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from Sam little on this victim therefore he must have killed her it doesn't work that way because his
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defense could be as simple as this I had consensual sex with that woman I paid her
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and then I left and then later somebody else came along and killed that woman and left no DNA on
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her or no semen on her and it's that simple it's shocking but it's true I think it's hard to investigate somebody
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like sam little because he's a criminal a hundred percent of the time if you take somebody like BTK for example he's
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living part of his life as a normal upstanding citizen he doesn't commit crimes he has this double life as a
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serial killer Sam little is a criminal a hundred percent of the time he's Street
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Smart too and he's going to know how to talk with police he's going to know how to dodge their questions you point out a
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very good interesting fact there Captain this is somebody that has sat across the
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table many times or sat in the back of a cruiser many times and his existence not
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facing murder charges not being suspected of murder this is being picked up for other crimes he's used to talking
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to police now there's been a lot of piling on in Sam Little's case and I get it and I've been I've been part of that
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at times as well where I go oh the atrocities how could law enforcement let this guy kill for
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for decades well it's not just that simple they didn't let him kill some of these cases and I think we need to look
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at this on a case-by-case basis and throw criticism where it's due but I also think that there was a lot of good
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detective and police work that was done in many of these cases I think in San Diego we talked about the 1984 cases the
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attempted murder cases there was a lot of good police work on that case they had the right guy in court they just
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couldn't get a guilty verdict from the jury let's talk about some things that we're working in Sam Little's favor and
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working very much against the investigators and the detectives looking into these homicides let's start with LA
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because La is very intriguing here in the Sam little case in the late 80s when Sam little killed three victims that we
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know of in Los Angeles there were several serial killers all at work at the same time
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so think about that you have these stranger on Stranger murders which are incredibly difficult to investigate to
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start with we have victims living a high risk lifestyle I'm not victim blaming it's
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just the truth people that makes it difficult to investigate their homicides and then you have several other active
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unknown serial killers working all in the same area and all with similar victimology to
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their crimes ones that I can think of for instance you have Lonnie David Franklin Jr better known as the Grim
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sleeper killed 10 plus in Los Angeles between 1985 and 2007. you want to not sleep tonight look up a picture of that
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guy Michael Hughes is another he was convicted of killing seven females in California mainly in Culver City during
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the late 80s and early 90s but three of his victims were killed in Los Angeles Chester Turner was convicted of 11
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murders in Los Angeles over the course of about 11 years in the 80s and 90s so that's three and I guarantee you there
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were more so the investigators had to start from scratch pulling all unsolved cases from
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around the country in which the modus operandi fit Littles to see if they could link any to him to do this they
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had to have a very thorough understanding of his Mo so they could use his methods to identify his victims
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so what law enforcement is going to have to do is look at Sam Little's known crimes or the ones that they believe
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he's responsible and use that as their template yeah this will become their template for looking for similar victims
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who were killed in a similar manner maybe left or dumped in a similar way with reviewing these they start to get a
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clear picture of this guy's Mo and his victimology what the LA prosecutor called Little's blueprint and this is
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what they came up with here's a quick list here Captain he cleverly and deliberately selected marginalized
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female victims who would not be missed or were unlikely to have families with resources to find them
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he chose women addicted to drugs and or alcohol and then used those things to lure them
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he preferred sex workers because they were an easy target and they would get into his car without a second thought
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he opted for the physically vulnerable often attacking skinny weak small ill or high or inebriated women
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who could not defend themselves could not fight him off he used his hands as his weapon of
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choice this is practically untraceable when you compare it to things like knives and
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guns and he often left the victim's cause of death unknown sometimes they were finding these
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victims decomposed later and because they were strangled it was difficult for them to tell that they were even a
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homicide victim that's part of the reason why some of these cases were not even really investigated you have a drug
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addict that you find dead on the streets who's been dead for two weeks or stuffed
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in an abandoned house somewhere and been there for months you don't find any bullets in your
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victim or murder weapon nearby or a skull crushed or stab marks on any of the bones and
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you go well the the the hypothesis here the Assumption here would be that this person died of a drug
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overdose in this abandoned building and we're just now finding her unfortunately but then if the victim
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lives it becomes he said she said and little even though he doesn't have much of a stand-up character
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he thinks he can at least win the argument well she was a drug user she attacked me or she was a sex worker and
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she was trying to steal my money yeah as some of these survivors were not reporting some of the
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crimes and then you have some survivors reporting them keep in mind this dude it
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was not uncommon for him only to be in a city for three to ten days he didn't have a residence
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if he attacks somebody and they survive or he sees a notice of there's some sexual predator on the loose and it oh
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it looks like me or they got a match of my vehicle he just skips town and goes on to the
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next city this is from the FBI a direct quote from one of their reports and this goes back
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to the difficulties even categorizing some of his victims as homicides when they are initially found and it says
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quote with no stab marks or bullet wounds many of these deaths were not classified as homicides but attributed
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to drug overdoses accidents or natural causes end quote the other thing too and look
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I'm glad to be here in the garage with my my buddy the captain when I'm in the garage like to have a cold beer if I
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were home right now I'd be eating some Honey Nut Cheerios and I only say that to tell everybody if you are if you are
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eating something put this down step aside either hit pause or stop eating because we're gonna have to get into
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some gross stuff with with Sam little he's a as you already know he's a Despicable disgusting human being I
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don't even know if you can call him a human being but one of his Mo's that they put in his template his blueprint
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if you will was that he would often masturbate while strangling his victims and then dump their bodies and in fact
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he told investigators that he could not rape would not rape the women because he
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struggled with erectile dysfunction old Soft Cell so his victims often times are
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not even appearing or or would appear to be like a rape victim raped and then murdered and keep in mind we touched on
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some of his disgusting habits the other day and really how much of a monster this guy
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was it's not uncommon for a murderer even if it's a one-time murder for a male to
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kill a woman to cover up a rape right leave no witness but what we have with Sam little is
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completely different he's he's sexually assaulting because of the killing where the the killing is the prime
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motive for his excitement right not raping and then murdering to cover up the rape this is a whole different kind
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of monster here but he's getting off on the fact that they can't breathe exactly
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it's also worth noting here that Sam little was six foot two inches tall and was well over 200 pounds he was
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trained as a boxer so these women didn't stand a chance against him once he got the victims into
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his vehicle he would stun or knock them out with a Punch To The Head and then have his way with them and strangle or
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suffocate them there's not a lot of pictures of Sam little online but we'll post some of those to our Instagram and
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Twitter Facebook all those you can find us at True Crime garage.com but we'll we'll
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post some of his older mug shots and you can see he's he's a lot different of the
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version of the crippled old man that you see later on and and the the same little
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that we've all come to know this crippled old man yeah by the time we see him on TV and we are able to hear of his
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horrible crimes that he committed he's in a wheelchair and he looks like an old a sick old man by this point and
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you're gonna go Nick you're lying there's no way he was six two over 200 pounds but trust me he was listen to
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this okay investigators say we know he punched one victim with such force that when he struck this victim in the
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abdomen he broke her spine this is from the autopsy report of Audrey Nelson one of Little's 1989 LA victims quote
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injuries throughout her body revealed pre-death blunt force trauma consistent with having been punched repeatedly in
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the head Nelson suffered severe bruising underneath her skin this bruising extended into her chest muscles stomach
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and abdomen in addition the hard bone of her spine was crushed during a blow to the upper
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Central abdomen with deep bruising to the stomach itself it was a sign of considerable Force like
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many of Little's victims Audrey's body displayed drag marks very early in Little's serial killer career he stopped
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bothering to bury or even hide his kill just discarding the corpses on roadsides
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in alleys ditches parking lots Ravines what have you wherever he happened to find himself think about this though too
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his early victims and we see this a lot of times with serial killers where they will go to Great Lengths they will put a
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a great deal of effort into concealing their crimes early on and then after a while they start to get confident they
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start to believe you know what I can get away with this I'm smarter than the police so I think we have a little bit
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of that going on in Sam Little's case we also have the situation of he's often high or drunk or both when he's
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committing these horrible acts so he might not be in such a great physical state to be able to conceal the bodies
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and then factor in the location of the murders a lot of these victims were in LA or were in bigger cities where you
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know what driving around with the victim in your car is a risk in itself his Mo which worked time and time again often
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was get rid of the body as quick as possible and get at a Dodge get as far away from the body as I can I'm so tired
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of these serial killers getting like really really cool names Like Son of Sam or BTK Sam little should go buy soft
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serve because he couldn't make it hard right well they did they had a here's another disgusting uh part of the case
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they actually called him the choking stroke killer yeah you know sometimes these guys get weird monikers and
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nicknames and and sometimes it comes from the media sometimes it comes from the general public or law enforcement I
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don't really know where this one came from I'm guessing it's law enforcement because this is something that likely
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the media and the general public would not know from from reading the newspaper but
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basically what we just went through here Captain is his blueprint what they're calling the Sam little blueprint and
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they're using Little's Mo and victimology the LA authorities are to desperately try to figure out what else little had
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done no matter what state it took place in but again because they couldn't match
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anything else up on CODIS with his DNA they're kind of blindly searching in the dark for more victims so basically they
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had to notify every law enforcement agency around the entire country go ahead and Google that number to see how
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many law enforcement agencies there there are in this country and say hey do you have any violent unsolved murders
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of women probably sex workers drug addicts or homeless with strangulation is the cause of death between the years
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of let's say 1960 and 2012. I mean can you imagine trying to put together this list this is an enormous task it would
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be easier to figure out a way to get him to talk but of course we know that when he's
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first arrested he refused to cooperate he did not even cop out to the three women
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with whom his DNA had been found when he did talk to detectives about his history
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of arrests he said they were for shoplifting and Petty thefts no mention of nearly 100 dead women he would
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eventually be linked to well and they poked and prodded him but they couldn't get him aroused after he was charged
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with those three counts of murder for the 87 and 89 homicides in La in April of 2013
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La homicide detectives called in the big guns they get the FBI involved and they
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bring in analyst Christie Palazzolo from the FBI's VI cap they wanted help compiling cases that could be attributed
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to Sam little they wanted the FBI to do some digging into his background to try to reconstruct his life
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which could lead to more victims so they could have kind of a road map of his life of where he was at what times vicap
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maintains a database of known crimes and categorizes MOS and other characteristics like
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manner of death and victimology that can help locate similar crimes and thus link
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perpetrators they knew Little's Mo so Palazzolo started digging in June of 2013 she issued a VI cap
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alert asking detectives Across the Nation to check their files for Unsolved strangulation murders of vulnerable
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women soon her timeline of Little's life became 150 pages she started cross-referencing events and
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locations in Little's life that overlapped with crimes in the vi cap database and now years later the FBI is
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still digging [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you all right we are back cheers mates
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cheers we got Colonel computer and uh Sam soft serve little cheers to the people in the back those
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are the ones that count the most this is going to take us to the 2014 trial the murder trial for the three murders that
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he committed in Los Angeles now prosecutors arm themselves with information about possible other crimes
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in other jurisdictions lining up witnesses to testify against Sam little such as the survivors of his attacks in
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Mississippi and San Diego these women testified that they remembered him they remembered his large hands and how he
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beat and choked them investigators in California were able to link Sam Little's to crimes in 24 States but in a
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56-year life of crime he had served only about 10 years in prison he was suspected of multiple murders but never
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convicted of a murder well good news captain that all will end in 2014. well I don't want to sound like a
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pessimist and I guess it's better to be caught late than never yes and this is one of those situations where it's
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going to be some kind of answer for the families and we're talking about a lot of families in this case so there is
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some good that comes out of it you feel like you lost right I know that investigators and prosecutors feel like
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they lost all around in the Sam little case but there is some good you are bringing some closure giving some
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answers to these many families that were just left guessing for many years remember some of these victims were Jane
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does for a long period of time or still are Jane does so it only took the jury two hours to convict Sam little of the
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murders of Guadalupe Carol and Audrey he was sentenced to three life terms in prison without the possibility of parole
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as his sentence was pronounced he shouted out loud in the court that he was innocent even though they had his
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DNA and all three of these cases well he's an idiot so yes yes he is now let's bring in a very important
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character a very important person in this story it's Texas Ranger Jimmy Holland this is an experienced investigator with
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training in psychopathy who specialized in interrogation techniques this did not mean that he was the guy
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that would come into an interrogation room and physically abuse the person that he was questioning or take out his
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service revolver and put it to the back of the the individual's head or the suspect's head yeah they're taking his
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pencil and shove it in and the dude's dick hole or even dropping massive folders of daunting looking files on the
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desk and glaring at the suspect instead he had a whole different method which I think proves to be much better
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instead he calmly appealed to the ego and used the carrot approach bribing his suspects with little concessions that
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would incentivize them to cooperate now let's think about Sam little he's locked
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up for Life he's an old man three life terms in prison without the possibility of parole you are going to die in prison
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sir now can you help us out at all do you want to sit in your cell all day long or
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do you want to sit in this room and talk to me well in December of 2017 Jimmy Holland was teaching an
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interrogation class pertaining to questioning of psychopaths and sociopaths at a police conference in
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Florida he started chatting with a crime analyst this was Angela Williamson a 41 year old
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Australian with a doctorate in molecular biology and expertise in forensics she was employed by vicap and a justice
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department initiative to train and fund local police and sexual assault investigations during Holland and
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Williamson's conversation two detectives from Florida came up and asked them if they knew anything about a
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California serial killer who was refusing to talk these detectives suspected Sam little in
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an unsolved Florida case may be more than one Holland was intrigued well yeah you'd be
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intrigued because a killer like this and a nomad really his victim list could be a significant number yes exactly you
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hit the nail on the head my friend and this is a situation though Holland wants to get involved but he cannot without a
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Texas case so he started thinking about this Sam little guy and the fact that he wouldn't
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talk and several jurisdictions seem to suspect him in many murders so then he called Williamson in March of 2018 and
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asked if they could do something about this guy Williamson put Holland on hold and asked another cubicle occupant this
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is our friend Paula Zolo who we've already introduced if she had heard of Sam little and of course boom she sure
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had Paula zolos said tell him about the Odessa case Odessa Texas case this was a case that she was sure would
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be attributed to Sam little and in fact 12 of the potential victims in the vi Camp analyst had put on her list of
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potential Sam little murders were murders that took place in the great state of Texas so Holland was definitely
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intrigued by the Odessa case this was 38 year old Denise Christie brothers who was found dead in 1994. now per the LA
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Times quote like Little's LA victims she had been strangled and left partially clothed in a vacant lot police records
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showed little had interaction with local police around the time of the killing end quote Holland believed that he could
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get Sam little talk but we we have to remind The Listener that Sam little was in prison at this point for already four
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years and he was over 80 years old so Holland headed to California to assist in these investigations to see if he
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could get Sam little to talk when he gets there the LA detectives and form Holland of what he was up against and
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they tell him that Sam little despised law enforcement and that he was free to use that to his
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Advantage if he could the detectives also said that Sam little hated being called a rapist though his semen was
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found on the clothing of two of his victims and prosecutors labeled him a sexual predator perhaps Holland thought
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Sam little saw a distinction between rape and becoming aroused during a strangulation that was something that he
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thought he might be able to work with when interrogating Sam little now it's worth pointing out that one of the
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detectives little despised was Mitzi Roberts who we've already talked about of the LAPD who had noted the pattern in
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the 87 and 89 bodies found and made the CODIS connection to Sam little she and Beth Silverman
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the LA County Deputy district attorney were the women who finally put Sam little away
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so their theory was that Sam little hated women of course but also hated being bested by two women and would be
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much more inclined to talk to a man potentially about his crimes definitely it seems like Sam Lowe has some kind of
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intimacy issues with females and so if he's going to open up and make himself vulnerable he's probably not going to do
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that with a female well and obviously to kill this many women you have to hate women and that's what I think is part of
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his Mo here that he hates women in general it will be May of 2018 when Holland sits down with Sam little of
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course we have the FBI listening in the Next Room now the formerly big man sam little was now in a wheelchair and he's
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still sharp though at this time and was interested in the Texas Rangers motives for the visit
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Holland gave little some peanut M M's and tried to you know butter him up but little told Holland that he had no
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interest in helping law enforcement close any cold cases because he had been convicted on fake evidence and lies
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and so he pushed back quite a bit but we have Holland who is smart and patient and then he through conversation and
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through this visit and other visits started to earn the trust of Sam little soon
00:36:16
they would be calling each other Sammy and Jimmy almost like they're buddies this is comedy duo Holland nudged Sam
00:36:24
little to take control of his story he pointed out that no one knew his name but he could change that this is from
00:36:31
the LA times has Sam little killed people yeah come on we both know that Holland said the question is does Sam
00:36:39
little want to talk about those killings and does he want to Define what really happened
00:36:45
Sam little studied the Ranger quote hookers is all you're going to find Sam said
00:36:53
Holland could tell the killer was testing him Holland Shrugged do you see me tearing up
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see he's almost putting himself out there like yeah I identify with you I agree with you that
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yeah you only killed people that of of a lesser value of what's that's what Sam little saying
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right and the detective here the Texas Ranger excuse me is smart enough to play along he's playing to his ego he knows
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that if he can play to his ego Sam will likely open up and a whole new can of worms is going to
00:37:26
come out of every conversation that they have this is when Holland takes the chance to
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mention that Odessa case from Texas and it seemed to motivate Sam little to start talking well don't you think a lot
00:37:39
of these guys want the truth to be out there or their truth to be out there well and he also has no more appeals at
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this time too so it's really like he's got nothing to lose from spilling the beans
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he might feel like he has something to gain and of course in any jailhouse niche
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situation here he's telling on himself but of course you as a detective you know going into that that they are only
00:38:10
doing this for some benefit to them can I figure out what the benefit is that he
00:38:15
is seeking and kind of play to that in fact he opens up so much about this Odessa
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case he bluntly tells them exactly what took place how he picked up this Denise Brothers what kind of car he was driving
00:38:31
what he used he used crack and black tar heroin for Denise to get him get her to join him he then
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pulls into an alley and grabbed her by the throat and tossed her over the back seat of his vehicle like a doll
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where he strangled her with one hand while masturbating with the other she fought back this is where one of his
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um statements comes from that is more well known today in some of his confessions
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but he said that he would make these encounters as long and slow as possible because the
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Act of Killing was synonymous with sex for Sam little so he's often letting his victims
00:39:18
repeatedly regain consciousness he said that the last time that Denise came to her head was in his lap Sam
00:39:26
little said her eyes big as marbles Sam says I told her I own you you're mine forever she cried
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and I kissed her I kissed her tears from her face and then squeeze the life from her
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little knew exactly what vacant lot he had dumped Denise in and they're able to take the details
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that he States during this interrogation during this basically what's a conversation at this point
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and match these details up to the known information they have in the case well Sam little is going to tell law
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enforcement that he stopped counting his killings at 84 victims I mean that's a very large number of victims and then
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very oddly Captain he goes into detail about his first murder and his last murder and his first murder was a woman
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that he met in a bar in Miami on New Year's Eve 1970. this was a victim that we spoke about yesterday Mary brosly in
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our trailer for this week's episodes remember she remained a Jane Doe until she was finally identified after a
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Florida detective had entered her information into namus and got a match to a Massachusetts woman missing part of
00:40:46
her pinky with a surgically repaired hip and dyed blonde hair so even though they
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identified her this good detective did good work with the name as program to identify her through dental records they
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still had no idea who had killed her but they knew it was a homicide because she
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was one of his victims that were buried and that it was in this interview that they learned that brosly was killed by
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Sam little well we've seen a lot of serial killers that don't want to talk at all or the information that they give
00:41:22
to law enforcement is so misleading but everything that Sam is saying this is would give you hope I think as law
00:41:30
enforcement that you're going to uncover more answers for more victims and that's
00:41:37
going to lead to closing some of these cases yes and he says that his last murder victim was in 2005 this would be
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seven years before he was identified by that CODIS hit and this was a murder from Tupelo Mississippi
00:41:53
now this is all interesting because he gives detailed accounts of the first and last
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murders but we know that there's going to unfortunately be a whole lot of Carnage between those two bookended
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murders now after getting him to talk of course law enforcement's confident at this point that Sam little is willing to
00:42:14
talk about his other crimes his other murders so what they end up doing here Captain
00:42:19
is they get a letter from a Texas prosecutor pledging not to pursue the death penalty for Sam little for any of
00:42:29
the Texas murders that he confesses to and little agreed to start talking about more murders but again remember he wants
00:42:39
something in trade he wants to transfer to a Texas prison facility that same day
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after these negotiations he confesses to 17 more murders all female victims he starts off with really an
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emotionalist tally provided by Sam little he simply says Jackson Mississippi one
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victim Cincinnati Ohio one victim Phoenix Arizona three Las Vegas won and so on and so on
00:43:10
most of these victims weren't on the FBI's list Palazzolo resorted to Google searches as they tried to keep up with
00:43:19
all of these Grim confessions coming from their prisoner well like I said law enforcement has to be optimistic because
00:43:25
they're making some Headway with this serial killer and as of mid November 2018 law enforcement has been told by Sam
00:43:36
little that he he's responsible for over 90 some homicides yeah that this was an
00:43:44
announcement actually to the general public where law enforcement is saying that Sam little has confessed to
00:43:49
murdering dozens of women and he might be linked to as many as 90 homicides this will be because they're probably
00:43:55
going to need the Public's help at some point now two weeks later the FBI announced that the vi cap team have
00:44:03
confirmed 34 of his murder confessions saying that Sam little wasn't making any of this stuff up little claimed to have
00:44:13
killed 93 women between 1970 and 2005. an 18 or 19 States ranging from all the way to Florida
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and to California more than 30 of his confessions remained unmatched they have yet to be linked to any known victims
00:44:32
this as of late last year the FBI webpage has a list of these and the details and drawings which we will get
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to in a minute furnished by Sam little some of the confessions were no surprise whatsoever
00:44:48
he confessed to the murder of Melinda lepre who we already talked about who was murdered and he had not been
00:44:55
indicted for after a grand jury vote he also confessed to that old Gainesville case that he had eluded conviction on
00:45:04
Patricia Mount was her name eventually Sam little admitted to killing Carol Guadalupe and Audrey in LA in 87 and 89
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which of course we already knew based off of DNA and other circumstances that he did kill those women and then of
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course he confessed to 88 more little said to the LA Times that he confessed in the end because he knew his time was
00:45:29
running out and he wanted to help the families get closure and perhaps exonerate someone wrongfully accused
00:45:36
others said that little clearly wanted credit for what he had done the New York Times said quote investigators who have
00:45:44
spoken to him say he also appears to enjoy the attention he is receiving as he recites details only a killer would
00:45:53
know after Decades of discussing them with no one whatever his motives Beth Silverman the LA prosecutor who
00:46:01
locked little up for good in 2014 said that his confessions were hardly a victory for law enforcement rather she
00:46:08
said it's simply a tally of the Carnage he caused oh so much more to get to if you need more
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