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true [Music] crime [Music] in 2017 Kelly Cochran a 34-year-old woman gave the following statements during her
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testimony in an iron County Michigan courtroom Kelly told the court about her husband Jason Cochran she explained how
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he had physically abused her throughout their entire marriage and on numerous occasions he had held a gun to her head
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threatening to kill her speaking in regards to one of those occasions she said quote he put a gun to my head he
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was going to shoot me he was going to shoot himself he was going to just end it right there end
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quote Kelly went on explaining her marriage more and informing the court that she had cheated on her husband and
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she was having an affair with a man she had worked with Chris rean she said on October 14
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2014 her husband Jason went out with some friends so she invited Chris to come over and join her at her home Kelly
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and Chris were having sex when Jason returned home he walked in saw the two of them Chris on top of Kelly and Jason
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shot Chris in the back of the head and the two of them fell down the stairs in the middle of the
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ACT then just a short time later Jason told Kelly to fetch him an electric Court so he could power a
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handsaw Jason then handed Kelly a pair of forceps and told her to remove the bullet from Chris's head Jason forced
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her to make him dinner he wanted a burger with fries while she was cooking for him
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Jason was dismembering Chris's body with the saww in their basement Kelly said when he had cut him
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up Jason took one of Chris's hands and waved it at her adding that that would be the last last time he would ever wave
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goodbye to her after mutilating the body Jason put the body parts into several trash bags and told Kelly to help him
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carry them she would not she told the court I didn't care if he shot me right there but I wasn't carrying those bags
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saying quote I wasn't going to be part of him being treated like garbage Jason and Kelly hid Chris's
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remains in a wooded area near pentoga Trail in Crystal Falls Michigan Kelly said she only helped him because if not
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Jason was planning on dissolving the body using acid and then Chris's body would never be
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found so Kelly suggested that location thinking it was a hi trffic area and he would likely be discovered on the stand
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she was asked if she felt guilty and Kelly said yes because if he Chris if he would have never been in a relationship
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with me he'd be [Music] here Chris Carl Regan was a funloving divorce father of two grown boys Chris
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found his love for the outdoors when he was stationed at KI Sawyer Air Force Base it was a great place for hiking
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camping and all types of cycling activities he loved and passed on to his two sons Chris was 53 years old he had an on
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and off again relationship with a woman named Terry odonnell they first met in the 80s this was an onag again and off
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again relationship that lasted until 2014 but even when they were off and Chris and Terry remained close Chris's
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Sons said that Chris was the type of friend and father that always answered phone calls in return text and when they
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didn't hear from him for a week they knew something was wrong on October 27th 2014 Terry O'Donnell went to the police
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and reported Chris is missing Chief Laura frizo took the report Terry made sure to let the police chief know that
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Chris was not depressed or suicidal in fact Chris was excited he was getting ready to move out of town and start a
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new job in Asheville North Carolina in November he had already started to pack for his new adventure and the pair
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planned to remain close even after the move they had made plans to visit each other during the holidays so weird thing
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here Colonel is that Terry didn't know where Chris was but she knew where Chris's car was yeah seems a little
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strange we have Chris's Sons who say it was over a week since they had heard from their father and then Terry told
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the police chief that she could take her to the car to Chris's car which was sitting at a nearby parking ride so
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police went to this vehicle and sure enough it was Chris's car later the police ran a check on Chris's bank
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accounts finding that the last time that he had used his bank card was about 2 weeks prior to the reporting of him
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missing Chris used his bank card at a local gas station around 400 p.m. on October 14th Chief frizzo went to the
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gas station observed the security footage from the 14th and she saw Chris driving his car pumping gas he was
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traveling alone and nothing appeared out of the ordinary and when Chris drove off
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and left the gas station nobody was following him when police had found Chris's car they found two interesting
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items one Chris's knee brace they were informed that he wouldn't go long without wearing it so this is not a
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positive find mhm the other item was a sticky note left on the passenger seat and on it was a local address and police
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are going to check with Chris's work and they find out that Chris hasn't been to
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work in 2 weeks yeah and while they're there they're going to ask if there's you know you ask these people is there
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anything that we should be aware of anything of importance uh in regards to Chris and why we might not be able to
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find him mhm well at some point they're told that Chris is having an affair with
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a coworker this is a married woman named Kelly Cochran the address on the sticky
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note in Chris's car was Kelly's home address so of course police went to the home of Kelly Cochran and her husband
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Jason Cochran and they brought them in for questioning and this question was a little odd to say say the least right
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yeah yeah I agree it's not so much the the questioning that I find odd it's more of the answers that we end up
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getting because they do what you would you would expect in any situation like this they take in two people now they're
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not under arrest for anything at this point nor should they be they're just being asked to answer some questions and
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these might be tough questions and we want to get good honest answers and be able to fact check some of these things
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so when we bring in Kelly and her husband Jason we're going to separate them we're going to put each one of them
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in a room by themselves and they're going to be interviewed separately they're going to be asked a lot of the
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same questions but along the way as they start telling us portions of their story
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well we're going to let those questions adapt depending on what's going on in their version of the story first thing
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we want to know as investigators is why do we find this address your home address in this missing individual's
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vehicle well that's when Kelly comes clean and she says look we've been having an affair of course we know that
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the investigators already know about the affair at this time right from them his
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co-workers yeah so they're going to make the hard DEC ision to ask Jason about the affair to which the husband states
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that he didn't like it but he was aware of it and that if he wanted to keep Kelly as his wife then he just kind of
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had to put up with it it was just something that he had to put up with apparently she had other uh Affairs
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throughout the course of their marriage all right so this is like a ongoing thing but is this like a loud is it a
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open relationship sound I mean it almost sounds like it is well what it's not open relationship in the sense that what
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we gather from the questions here is that both people willingly admit to the extramarital affair MH uh Jason is aware
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of it uh both agree that they're not he's not entirely happy with it but that's what was going on in this
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situation and Kelly had stated that Not only was she having an extra marital Affair but that Jason wouldn't do
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anything to harm either her or Chris as she stated that Chris meant the world to
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her and if anything happened to Chris even though that Jason didn't like this affair that Jason wouldn't do anything
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to Chris because it would really hurt Kelly and that Jason had been great throughout their entire marriage in fact
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he worshiped the ground that she walked on therefore he would never do anything to hurt Kelly right but she doesn't have
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a problem having this affair and hurting her husband yeah they she was asked if Jason would be you know violent either
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towards her or to Chris and she stated that he was not a violent individual that he was at times depressed and maybe
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even suicidal at times but she was he was not what she would describe as a violent individual so the police are
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obviously taking a long look at Jason and Kelly Cochran Kelly because she was the one she was one of the last people
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to see Chris mm and we know this because she tells the investigators hey look he
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had been to my house before I had been to his house several times and it sounds to me like she was going to his house
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more often right and on the she says between the 12th and the 15th somewhere in that time range that she had gone to
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his house and they had had dinner together and she that was the last time that she had seen him
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so she's being looked at because we know that she is one of the last people to see Chris and then both of them are
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being looked at obviously because of this affair this has got to be a super weird situation I'm guessing for
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detectives because here we have this couple okay now how do we how do we explore this how do we look at this do
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we look at as we have two suspects working together or do we have one suspect and the other person doesn't
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know what's going on either way we have two people that are very interesting in this investigation into this missing
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individual yeah I mean or the fact that they might have nothing to do with the situation true so then we have police
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search their home and this is with the FBI and this takes place in March of 2015 now they find no obvious sign of
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Chris or of murder mhm but while they're there They seized two guns the couple cell phones and their
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computers this search though would have a huge impact because Kelly and Jason were spooked by this so much so that
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they packed up and they moved to Merillville in Lake County Indiana how far away do you know I don't know the
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exact distance but we're talking about a move from North Michigan to I believe this is north west Indiana right so so
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at least state of way right and I think the the important thing here is the Cochrans moved quickly so this is one of
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those running out of town in the middle of the night situations the Cochran move
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like cockroaches and I'm pretty certain that they moved in with Jason's mother mhm uh but they did leave pretty much
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everything behind when they fled Michigan their Furniture was still in the house food was still there just
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about everything apparently Jason even left his marijuana plant behind now despite speaking with the
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couple back in 2014 after learning of the extramarital affair detective said the rean case had
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eventually gone cold so we have the single father of two and he was about ready to move and start a new life and
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now he's just disappeared from the face of the Earth yeah about 3 weeks before he could move down to North Carolina he
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vanishes his car turns up at this park and ride and there's little Clues to suggest what may have happened happened
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to him but police are well aware of his relationship with Kelly Cochran then on February 20th
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2016 paramedics in Lake County Indiana responded to a 911 call on the call a woman stated that something was wrong
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with her husband and she needed help mhm the woman did not know for sure what was
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wrong with her husband but she but he was sweating a lot and throwing up she said she needed an ambulance right away
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when par paramedics arrived it was at the new home of Kelly and Jason Cochran Jason was
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unresponsive they tried desperately to revive him during the entirety of their time onsite Kelly the wife that had
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called 911 could only be described as disruptive and she wouldn't leave the room despite their request for her to do
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so especially as they attempted to revive her husband Jason was pronounced dead and the cause of death was believed
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to be an overdose of heroin Kelly held a memorial service for her late husband and wrote on Facebook that his death was
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quote the hardest thing I have ever had to deal with but then someone tipped off
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the FBI saying that the couple were suspects in an unsolved Michigan missing person's case mhm which could possibly
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actually be a murder case right this paired with Kelly's confusing in inconsistencies in her stories about
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what had happened to to her husband the night that he had died and Kelly's defensiveness and evasiveness while all
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of these things were raising major red flags so a full autopsy was ordered and this revealed that Jason had not died
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from an overdose but from exfix well surprise surprise yeah changing the cause of death from accidental overdose
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to homicide caused by xixia by strangulation right but you you would think that there was some
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drugs in his system well it was be sorry I didn't get to finish the cause of death it's uh by strangulation
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Complicated by heroin intoxication okay so the lead detective in Indiana this is detective Ogden he
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hatched a plan and I I love this kind of police work right here he hatched a plan
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with a tipster to make Kelly believe that her husband had left behind a letter that would expose their past
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actions so a phone call is made and there's a gentleman that's going to have hold on that sounds like such like a
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detective movie and then a phone call was made well the man working with the detective his name is Walt ammerman MH
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okay this is her deceased Kelly's deceased husband's very good friend according to Walt now during that phone
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call Walt tells Kelly he has a letter from her late husband that he asked him to send to the Iron River Police
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Department if anything had happened to him investigating officers recorded this phone call now Kelly asked the man not
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to send the letter but ultimately told him that he was going to have to do what he had to do Walt tells her that he
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intended to mail the letter to the police department later she asked Walt if he had mailed it he said that he had
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she asked what was in it and Walt told her he did not open it well this prompted Kelly to call Indiana detective
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Ogden she said she had something to tell him and this is wild Captain because her
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story is going to change dramatically you think yeah well she tells detective Ogden that that Jason had caught her and
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Chris together had caught the two of them having sex and she witnessed Jason kill Chris mhm but keep in mind
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meanwhile back in Michigan police are still working the case but they have no body they still have not found Chris's
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remains right but with his car being found and the information they found in the car I mean her story lines up with
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what possibly could have happened well let's do a quick little recap here because there's a lot of moving around
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in this story and it can get confusing so in 2014 we have Chris rean who goes missing
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in Michigan then once the couple Jason and Kelly Cochran are questioned they leave the state of Michigan and about a
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year and a half later Jason Cochran dies now after his death the ruling of his death is changed from an overdose to
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homicide then we have Kelly Cochran who is now in constant interaction with the Indiana detective now after this letter
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this this letter phone call goes down she is going to call the Indiana detective and she wants to know why this
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letter was sent what was in the letter she's she's pretty consumed with this letter and that's when she says that
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guess what I know we told people in Michigan we didn't know anything about Chris's disappearance but what actually
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happened was we were having sex and my husband came in and had shot Chris [Music]
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Cochran had died the Michigan authorities decided they were ready to charge Kelly Cochran with Chris's death
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now Kelly had been let's say working with the detective in Indiana up to this point but just like her and Jason had
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fled Michigan Kelly decided she was going to flee Indiana well and think about this now
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Captain this is not the same situation because now Kelly technically being charged with a murder or with The
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Disappearance up in Michigan this is a wanted woman okay so detective Ogden well he likes a good game of chess as we
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saw with his clever creation of that fake letter we would later learn that that whole letter thing was just a ruse
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this a pretty an intelligent idea it's a great idea and this time he tracks pings
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on Kelly's cell phone in April of 2016 so Kelly is located in the state of Kentucky and she's arrested by US
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Marshals and the Kentucky State Police in Wingo Kentucky following her arrest Kelly was interrogated by both Michigan
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and Indiana Law Enforcement well let's focus on her possible involvement into Chris's death her boyfriend or her her
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lover okay well Captain I have to point out this story is very tricky to cover and very tricky to research for many
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reasons okay first off we have the everchanging stories of Kelly Cochran and I don't know why I've seen this in
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several cases not all often but seen this in several cases and it seems like a strange kind of Defense to put up to
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try to convince law enforcement that you're innocent or didn't have much involvement in something or at least
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didn't have control over a crime or murder mhm and what I mean is the everchanging stories so basically what
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Kelly does is that she throws you one story and she's going to to see if you bite and if you don't bite and you don't
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believe her she's very happy to throw you another story or a slightly different version of that last story
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that she gave you and she's willing to just keep doing this and doing this and doing this until you settle on a story
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now the thing here though is what she will do from time to time is she will point out reasons why she might be
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willing to come forward about having more of a personal involvement in in the crime that took place than the previous
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story that she gave you okay so each story she's a little more involved and then also she does this other thing too
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where she will just throw out these crazy stories that on the surface and when you're first presented with them
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seem like possibilities but it could just be her playing mind games with you well and that's pretty strange too
00:27:23
because you see a lot of times when somebody confesses um to a crime that they'll start every time they start
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confessing they'll backpedal so they're less involved well that's what so great about this letter this this whole letter
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ruse that was come up by the Indiana detective MH okay so basically you have a situation where Kelly Cochran and her
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husband Jason are questioned about The Disappearance of Chris and they say look yeah we saw him we had some kind of
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relationship with him we had some uh personal interaction with this guy but we had nothing to do with his
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disappearance we don't know where he is or what could have happened to him and then after the creation of this letter
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all of a sudden Kelly is saying a whole different story we were having an affair
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that much was true we've already agreed on that part but in this version of the story they are caught and Jason
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basically executes Chris right in front of Kelly yeah and then her dismembers him yeah and here's the other crazy
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thing Captain remember how nice Kelly said that her husband was yeah and you know he worshiped the ground that I
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walked on and he would never do anything to hurt me hurting Chris meant hurting me and he would never do that all of a
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sudden here's the story this guy's an abusive husband I was scared to death of this guy he killed Chris and I didn't
00:28:51
tell anybody about it because I was afraid of my husband right all the while she keeps asking detectives both in
00:28:59
Michigan and Indiana what was in that letter what was in that letter from my husband to his friend that his friend
00:29:07
did not open up and that he sent to you guys I want to see that letter let me see that letter right detective Ogden
00:29:15
the guy that created the letter mhm he basically he just goes well he he created the IDE of the letter yeah yeah
00:29:21
right and he came up with it and I tell you what Jason's old friend Walt he sold
00:29:26
it great on that phone call man he sold it great to Kelly and she bought it she bought every bit of it she ate it up to
00:29:35
the point where she keeps asking to see this letter detective Ogden gets like aggressive with her during the
00:29:41
questioning he's like you don't get to see the letter gives her one of those you can't handle the truth yeah yeah you
00:29:47
know what I was talking with somebody a couple weeks ago and they were asking me
00:29:51
remember the old Felix Veil case that we covered MH with our friend Gina mhm who
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pretended to be an insurance adjuster and took pictures of his place and got to know him and know some personal
00:30:03
things about him yeah she also pretended to be somewhat romantically interested yeah slightly interested in this guy
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somebody asked me said uh don't you think that's kind of operating in the gray area of law enforcement I said I
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love when they operate if you think that's gray fine to me I think it's black and white these criminals do
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things behind closed doors under the cover of Darkness we're just leveling out the playing field a little bit I'm
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totally fine with that guy Felix Veil believing that Gina was from the insurance company I'm totally fine with
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Kelly Cochran believing that there was a letter sent from her dead husband yeah I
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wouldn't say that's in the gray area I mean that that's within the law I think that's creative within the law you're
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exactly right as long as they're playing within the confines of the law it's all
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fair game right and remember I wanted to start that that show where we dress up like clowns and we go take people
00:31:03
hostage mhm and try to get them to confess the crimes we couldn't get anybody to buy that show yeah cuz it's
00:31:09
illegal I found out later it's illegal to do that well Captain her story is going to
00:31:17
continue to change and she's not going to get to see this letter that she wants to see so badly but now all of a sudden
00:31:24
Jason is this monster that she was married to that she had been afraid of okay so let's follow Kelly's story all
00:31:32
right she says that her and Jason her husband they started dating shortly after high school then they moved in
00:31:39
together in 2001 Jason proposed to her she thought Jason was quote the love of her life so she accepted and they got
00:31:48
married in 2002 according to Kelly Jason was two very different people after their
00:31:55
marriage sometimes he was was the man that she loved but other times she said that she saw the eyes of the monster in
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him and that their relationship devolved into verbal abuse and physical threats the couple was married for 13 years they
00:32:11
didn't have any kids Jason had some kind of physical trouble he was injured I believe it was some kind of injury that
00:32:18
he had suffer suffered at work and so at some point in their marriage he was unable to work Kelly and Chris became
00:32:27
heavily involved at some point and it's been reported that they were getting together as many times as four or five
00:32:34
times a week now Kelly said that jealousy in her marriage was was getting very bad well of course you're having an
00:32:43
extramarital affair why would it not be according to Kelly on October 13th 2014 Jason and Kelly came up with a plan to
00:32:53
quote save their marriage and this was To Kill Chris rean inside of their home and they would implement this plan on
00:33:01
the next day so Kelly lured Chris to their home then when Jason quote caught them supposedly caught them right Chris
00:33:11
with his wife he shot him in the head with a 22 caliber gun the Cochrans then set about dismembering Chris's body then
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they divided Chris's body between garbage bags and threw the bags into the woods now Kelly was able to direct
00:33:27
direct investigators to a desolate stretch of Michigan Woods where they did discover evidence of these alleged
00:33:34
crimes including a human skull with an apparent Bullet Hole bones and Bone fragments police also recovered a 22
00:33:42
caliber rifle and a 22 caliber bullet and a pair of glasses at the scene but hold on to your horse people because
00:33:50
it's the story is going to get a little more Twisted cuz at this point she's going to start telling law enforcement
00:33:55
that Jason not only you know killed Chris but he's a serial killer yeah she claims that Chris um before killing
00:34:05
Chris Jason had killed other individuals and that he had even kept some trophies from these kills to which
00:34:12
she had confiscated them or he had hid them I'm I'm a little uncertain as to the details of that but for whatever
00:34:20
reason did they hide them at these trophies ended up roughly in the same location as Chris's body okay
00:34:28
so so so all of a sudden Jason is a serial killer and she provides some potential victim names and very little
00:34:37
detail or information regarding these crimes that she's saying happened she gives this information to detectives
00:34:45
well here's the problem you now have this woman in your custody M who very likely and very soon should be charged
00:34:55
with two potential homicides now you're handed this list of other victims and in a whole uh Buffet of
00:35:02
potential other crimes M this could really mess up your investigation the thing here is though
00:35:11
Captain these detectives they're too smart they realized early on the games that Kelly wanted to play my boy's
00:35:19
Wicked smart that's right and they realized these games and they realized that these were just things that were
00:35:25
thrown at them to try to screw up the investigation and they were smart enough to say you know what let's take what we
00:35:32
have in front of us right now let's take this individual that we think killed two
00:35:37
people let's deal with this first and we can always come back to these items and
00:35:43
look into them later so they decide to pursue charges against Kelly Cochran and in in Indiana Kelly would be charged
00:35:51
with the death of her husband then in Michigan she was facing charges related to Chris's death this is included
00:35:58
homicide and assisting her husband to mutilate deface remove or carry away a portion of a dead body and concealing
00:36:07
the death of an individual Kelly pled not guilty to all charges while she initially claimed that
00:36:15
she wanted to defend herself at trial she did eventually relent and she asked for assistance from a public defender so
00:36:24
so at some point she wanted to be her own lawyer early on she wanted to be her own lawyer that's correct now the
00:36:31
prosecution the attorney gave the jury copies of her presentation which included copies of text messages sent by
00:36:41
Kelly to both her husband and the victim Christopher rean now what's weird here Captain is that they were able to prove
00:36:50
that Kelly Cochran was okay so Chris was communic with Jason according to their cell phones right around the
00:37:00
time that they believe Chris was murdered so they actually think that what was happening was that Kelly was
00:37:07
using Chris's phone to communicate with Jason this likely went down when they were moving the vehicle moving Chris's
00:37:15
vehicle from their home and placing it at the parking ride and then we also have the situation of they could have
00:37:22
gone to his home at some point it's a little unclear if they if actually did it's suspected that they may
00:37:30
have during the opening comments Kelly's defense lawyer said that Kelly's husband
00:37:38
was solely behind the murder and that his client was acting out of fear for her own life even though she already
00:37:45
confessed to being involved well that's what's so confusing about this case Captain like I said she gave story after
00:37:52
Story during closed door meetings with law enforcement and then then when we go back and we review the the trial I
00:38:00
believe the trial lasted almost 3 weeks when we review the trial She lays out a little bit of of a pretty solid defense
00:38:08
okay and and solid in the sense of it's now one story and the story is this that her husband her deceased husband
00:38:19
was guilty was the sole murderer of Chris and that she was afraid for her life so whatever her involvement was it
00:38:29
was out of fear from her husband who had abused her for years and I'll tell you what the
00:38:36
prosecution was absolutely brilliant because they questioned every statement that Kelly gave Kelly was on the stand I
00:38:46
think she was on the stand for a long time I mean maybe two complete days maybe even three but they allowed her to
00:38:54
lay out her story and then they went back through man and they poked holes in every bit of it that's a strong bladder
00:39:01
well one thing that I think was interesting uh was was one simple line of questioning MH when she time and time
00:39:11
again explained how afraid she was of her husband stating things like he would often he always carried loaded guns in
00:39:20
the house and he was an excellent Marksman was a complete psychopath that's abusive and he's a serial killer
00:39:26
so why wouldn't she be afraid well and she claims that he threatened to shoot her in the head like 20 times with this
00:39:33
being with a gun to her head she also claims that he fired shots at her at one point and that he only missed because he
00:39:42
wanted to because he was an excellent Marksman I see I'm such a smart mouth that you know if um my wife said I'm
00:39:49
going to shoot you in the head 20 times I'd say ah jokes on you I'm only going to fill fill one of those well these are
00:39:56
12 20 separate incidences oh yeah it the threat wasn't I'm going to shoot you in
00:40:01
the head 20 times that he threatened her 20 different times with a gun to her head sorry I'm a little slow today well
00:40:08
here's here's a big problem so the prosecution question Kelly this is a great question they said so just to be
00:40:15
clear for the jury MH you were so afraid of your husband that you decided to go out and have an
00:40:23
affair you were you were afraid for your life all these years of your marriage from your husband and so your your
00:40:31
result is you go out and have an affair something that would many people have been killed because of Affairs on top of
00:40:38
that going out for Affair maybe not that bad maybe you're not so scared but you bring the guy over to your house yeah
00:40:46
according to Kelly he had been there three times before before this incident went trembling trembling hey why to come
00:40:54
on over and that's what's great when you see her on the stand and when she's being cross-examined by the prosecution
00:41:02
uh her story just doesn't hold up there's there's so many things about her story like saying we always had loaded
00:41:09
he always walked around with loaded guns inside the house well he threaten me one
00:41:13
time and he actually pulled the trigger well what happened well the gun wasn't loaded that time I thought you said the
00:41:19
guns were always loaded well not on this occasion right you know and he was an excellent Marksman and he even fired
00:41:26
shots at me but I got lucky and they missed it was about 2 in from my head well I thought you said he was an
00:41:31
excellent Marksman well he missed because he wanted to miss that's how good of a shot he was so she has an
00:41:38
answer for everything it's not always the right answer well right but if you're lying about every answer you can
00:41:44
come up with a answer mhm well and the other thing that she was questioning about was her unwillingness to help
00:41:53
during the or deal and even after her husb husband is dead her lack of emotion during the investigation her
00:42:00
unwillingness to help the investigation after her husband is dead these are all things that just don't they don't help
00:42:08
her story to ring true at any time yeah and the biggest red flag here for me what you stated in the beginning is when
00:42:15
they called in that Chris was missing when they found his car and then they question these two individuals they're
00:42:24
going to sit and question Jason and Kelly but here's a big red flag in separate rooms mhm so now you're in the police
00:42:33
department and this guy killed your lover right right and you're in separate rooms surrounded by police officers if
00:42:42
you're so afraid of the guy that's when you say hey this guy's a killer he's a serial killer I can prove that he did
00:42:51
this lock him up protect me I agree with you when 100% and guess what there are going to be people out there that would
00:42:59
say but she was let's let's say she was afraid you know then I can understand why she didn't say anything no if if you
00:43:08
get one chance to save your ass this is it because from this moment on we might be able to protect you from this moment
00:43:16
on we might be able to lock him up right or at the very least we might be able to
00:43:21
put you somewhere and keep him away from you while we build a case against this guy and I think the thing too is that if
00:43:29
you give law enforcement that chance and again he could get arrested and the police could say she had nothing to do
00:43:36
with you getting arrested mhm you know so I don't know that that was her chance if what she's saying had any truth to it
00:43:45
that's what you would have done and again there's going to be people that come out and say well this person was
00:43:51
physically abused and verba abused and and and they feel bad for her but I don't we don't even know if that was
00:44:00
true right we you know for all I don't know of any police reports of him being arrested for beating her up well and
00:44:08
here's the other thing captain and with Kelly's story like you said you if she truly was a victim on any level on any
00:44:18
level at all you want to know and you want to weigh that with the circumstances right yeah so so we have the the
00:44:28
original investigator this is Chief frizo Laura frizzo she's the one that originally took the missing persons
00:44:35
report of Chris back in 2014 she was part of what she referred to as two field trips that she took with
00:44:44
Kelly Cochran after Cochran's arrest to this area looking for the remains and Laura said on the stand that all the
00:44:53
while she was still looking for reasons and looking for evidence that would back
00:44:57
up Kelly's version of the story and that Kelly was telling them some truth along
00:45:03
the way I think what we learn here and we know this from other cases and other uh
00:45:10
murderers that how do you know that Kelly Cochran is lying it's pretty easy her mouth is moving her lips are moving
00:45:18
that's correct after 12 days of witnesses questions and testimony it was up to the jury to decide the Kelly
00:45:26
Cochran murder cases they would find Kelly guilty of murdering Chris rean yeah and in May of 2017 she is going to
00:45:34
be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole this for the conviction of murdering Christopher rean
00:45:42
her boyfriend and cooworker okay now we have a sit schn we have a situation Captain where we always have a
00:45:53
situation she's going to end up ping guilty for killing her husband Jason Cochran right and for this she was
00:46:00
sentenced to 65 years as part of the plea agreement and she did state to the media I will die in prison and I have
00:46:09
accepted that fate well no [ __ ] Sherlock I mean you committed murder you're going
00:46:14
to die in prison well Kelly told the court that she delivered an overdose of heroin to her husband and then proceeded
00:46:23
to put her hands on his neck nose and mouth until he died she states that this took about a minute mhm okay and he was
00:46:35
vomiting like she said in the 911 call so basically she's putting her hand hands over his nose and mouth and he's
00:46:45
choking on his own fluids right at this point so she did give several different versions of this story to law enfor
00:46:55
enforcement but this seems to be the one that would stick that they're going to use for her plea agreement right okay
00:47:04
and later she would say I still hate him and yes it was a Revenge killing she's stating that she even the score that she
00:47:13
was still mad at Jason for killing Chris and that's why she killed Jason about a
00:47:19
year and a half later well we know that she's a liar so but she did mention that
00:47:25
Jason might have killed other people I'm assuming that she's lying and when she says Jason Jason she's probably talking
00:47:32
about herself well that's what's weird because at another time she tells law enforcement that she is a serial killer
00:47:39
and that she may have killed as many as 21 people MH now the provisions of her plea agreement with the state of Indiana
00:47:47
if Kelly chooses she could later provide locations of other victims but this would be without P any penalty so she
00:47:56
cannot be convicted for additional murders in the state of Indiana right however I don't want anybody to think
00:48:02
that anybody was lazy during the course of this investigation or during the course of Prosecuting Kelly Cochran I
00:48:11
from what I read and what I could find it looked like these investigators specifically the ones in Indiana worked
00:48:18
this case and not only worked this case extremely hard but outsmarted a very smart criminal and murderer along the
00:48:26
way multiple times so don't think for a second that Kelly has outsmarted the justice system in Indiana yeah I don't
00:48:33
think she outsmart in them she and it's I don't even think she's smart she just has a level of evil mhm that becomes
00:48:41
hard to deal with and I think they dealt with it the best way they could you know
00:48:47
they almost kind of fought fire with fire and they really tripped her up well and the the supposed extra murders that
00:48:55
she may have have done what information she provided them was taken to the prosecutor so that was taken into
00:49:02
account before they agreed on this plea agreement in the state of Indiana and the prosecution firmly believed that
00:49:08
there there's nothing here there's nothing of any truthfulness here in any of these statements right now to the
00:49:16
other end of that argument uh as to whether there's any potential other victims some people including Kelly's
00:49:23
brother believe that the couple had killed at least nine people together uh as for who those other victims are
00:49:31
detectives said that it's a mystery that Kelly claimed that she had quote friends
00:49:36
who are buried in several States including the state of Tennessee but never revealed where or who Kelly told
00:49:43
police that she murdered many other people a Hobart police detective said that at one time she had said she had
00:49:51
killed 21 people on two occasions she had told her that and she states I didn't believe it I think that she was
00:49:58
stretching things she was trying to play a game she realized that when she gives
00:50:03
you 21 games which she did you're going to have to take a lot of time to look into each of those and they didn't it
00:50:11
didn't take long for them to realize that she was sending them on a wild goose chase so no more victims have
00:50:17
turned up and no other murder charges await Kelly Cochran personally what I think Captain after everything that I
00:50:24
dug through in the the past week what I think we're dealing with here is a situation where I think Kelly Cochran
00:50:30
was the ring leader I think that Jason was certainly involved in the murder of Chris but I think that Kelly was the one
00:50:37
that put together the plan I think she was kind of the leader I think that for whatever reason Chris became a
00:50:44
problem and they devised this plan to kill him and then later when she's presented with another problem Jason her
00:50:52
husband she decides to get rid of Jason and this is the only way that she knows how to handle these problems that she's
00:51:00
created that she's taken on in her life is is to end them with murder now a scary thought though here
00:51:08
before we leave Captain former police chief Laura friso she had a comment on possible other victims she said quote I
00:51:16
do not think that Chris is the first person that they murdered she explained there's no way that the first person you
00:51:23
choose to kill you're going to be bble to clean clean up the blood and get rid of the body so that the FBI agents can't
00:51:30
pull DNA off the walls to do what they did to him I don't know how you could do that if it was the first person you've
00:51:39
ever killed shooting someone that's one thing you can be far away pull out your gun and it's done but to sit
00:51:48
there take a cut up body and then wrap its parts put it in your vehicle and haul it over to the woods and bury it
00:51:57
there's no possible way you could logically think that through I truly believe there are other people out
00:52:05
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