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[Applause] [Music] crime all right today we are talking about the best of all time that's right the best
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of all time for True Crime garage the captain's favorite shows the Colonel's favorite shows hopefully they're your
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favorite shows as well we're gonna have a little a little party so let the uh drinks flow my friends let the good
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times roll there say yeah a little bonus show for everybody for the Christmas and
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holiday break but I wanted to say something real quick before we get to the parte I just something that irritated me
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just a little bit and I just thought what's this world coming to and then it kind of corrected itself and all so here
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here it is time Life Magazine put uh Biden and Harris as the person of the year again this is not a political statement
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so don't get this Twisted that's fine if you think they're the person of the year
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and but this bothered me because in this time of this pandemic there's been so many other people that have been very
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important to this pandemic and what everybody's been going through and dealing with in
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2020 but when I went to go rant about this I went to Time Life magazine and and if you go to the readers
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poll the readers said that they would have voted for essential workers nurses doctors delivery people grocery store
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employees those have been the real heroes of 2020 and I'll go a little step further anybody that's had to work from
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home that had to struggle with with that anybody that had to work from home and had to also step up and be the teacher
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for your par uh for your kids all the small business owners that have been suffering through this time and some
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people have lost their business those all those people that I just named have been the real
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heroes of 2020 and that give me hope in 2021 so that's my little rant not to bring down the party now
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it's time to party but to all those people I cheers you and we see you here in the garage we see you and we love
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you see you R over cracking of the beer sounds delicious all right we are here to talk
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about our top five each the Colonel's top five the captain's top five for alltime True Crime garage shows I'm
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going to throw out a couple of honorable mentions ones that certainly crossed my
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mind basically because of one very simple fact is that several cases that we've covered over the years we've
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actually been asked by law enforcement hey would you take a look at this case would you cover it on your show because
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we know that the garage reaches a lot of ears and we need some help so a couple of shout outs on some of those cases
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they were cases as follows the Invisible Man we were asked by the sheriff's department in Indiana to help them
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locate an individual that they believe to have been committed several crimes and been on the Run stealing identities
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and such Sherice Bingham Walker the murdered wife who was murdered in a park in the Indiana State Police asked us if
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we would cover that case Taylor Robinson from Northeast Ohio Tyler Davis now we weren't necessarily asked by law
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enforcement to cover that case Tyler Davis went missing from the Greater Columbus area and what happened was the
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captain jumped into action and reached out to his wife who was with him the night that he went missing and said hey
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would you would you talk to me on the phone or would you want to do an interview for the show and then he
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covered his bases by checking with local law enforcement talking to them about the night that Tyler went missing and
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and saying hey should I do this and of course law enforcement said yes we we want to hear what she has to say and
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then of course the Barbara blatnik case which was one that we covered in July of
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2019 that one is on my honorable mentions simply because it's a case that the porch light project helped uh to
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solve and I I had said when we started this little garage Adventure over five years ago that you know what one day I
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hope to solve a case and and I and I heard some Chuckles in the room when I said that and I understand it was maybe
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something cheesy or just wishful thinking but in a way the garage has helped several cases we've been we've
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been lucky because we've covered some cases that were unsolved at the time and later were solved some soon after and
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the captain and I both believe that if you throw some good energy out into the universe sometimes it boomerangs back
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and and good things happen so in all fairness we're chuckling at you cuz you're naked running around in the
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garage sweating saying I'm going to solve every case and so that's why we were chuckling we weren't chuckling at
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you solving cases we're chuckling at your PP none none of that is true or maybe it is okay you'll never
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know Captain had a r Colonel had a ramp who goes first Captain you or I you go first okay I I just want to start off by
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saying I had to redo my list this is the second list I did because I went back to the
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beginning and I think because of like Nostalgia and stuff my top five was like all the cases were like within our first
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100 episodes and then I thought well I hear every day that our show gets better and
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better so that probably means some of the shows from back in the day were awful which is
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totally fine but I think it was like a Nostalgia thing that I was like oh I remember that I remember the good times
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so I had those on the list and then eventually I was like wait all these are within the first hundred shows I need to
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this can't be right so then I went back and did the list correctly so mine is the best list of all time yours it's all
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right your list is okay well one of my favorite things one of my favorite emails that we get is from people that
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say Hey I've been listening since the very beginning so those people I love I just want to wrap them up with both arms
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and give them a a a big bare hug sit down and drink a couple beers with them and talk some true crime but the thing
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that they always say you guys have come a long way you I I enjoyed you in the beginning I've been there since the
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beginning but you guys have gotten much better at what you do so we appreciate the the U the pat on the back and the
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kind words and the encouragement it's because of all of you out there all of our awesome garage Army friends that
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that keep the show going so wait but the funny thing is longtime listeners it's been so long since they heard those
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early episodes they kind of forgot it's the ones that go I just found your show a month ago I love it and now I'm going
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back to the beginning and I go please don't you might not make it back cherry pick
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cherry pick along the way maybe cherry pick using our suggestions from this show right here from our little yeah
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countdown so my number five Captain I went with the Colonial Parkway murders we covered this case in July of 2018 in
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episodes 226 and 227 this made my top five for a multitude of reasons one that the case
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itself is a fascinating case it's it's one of my one of my favorite uh cases as far as unsolved serial cases go it's one
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that you would deem a redl case you know the captain came up with red light cases
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cases that pop into your mind randomly or if you pull up and you get stopped in traffic and you're you're sitting at a
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red light a case that pops up in your mind well the Colonial Parkway murders certainly is a red light case for me and
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it's one that that is so fitting to be a red light case because it's the slangs of at least eight people by a serial
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killer or Killers along the Colonial Parkway in in Virginia IAL jeez there's there's my assistant
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right there she there you go hey yeah nobody asked you yeah why don't you shut your mouth when
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you're talking to me so these cases go back to 1986 and went through 1989 and again I think these cases are
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very solvable and that's part of the reason that the mystery intrigues me so much but what was interesting in putting
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together these cases and putting together the shows was I got the opportunity to speak with Bill Thomas
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who is the brother of one of the victims Kathy Thomas she's one of the first victims of of the eight and it was
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intriguing to speak with him and to hear all of the behind the scenes information
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that he has learned over the years he's worked with local law enforcement he's worked with with the
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FBI his family and the other fam have been very very involved in these cases and again I think that they are solvable
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in fact bill and I set out to do a interview show and he and I hit it off so well we spoke for about four hours
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and just going round and round about all kinds of different cases but mainly the
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Colonial Parkway murders and by the end of it I told the captain I said unfortunately it was a brilliant
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conversation so fascinating Bill's such an interesting guy and he knows so much about the case I said we can't use this
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for an interview show because several times he said you you can't you can't say this on the show you can't tell
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anybody this this is information we're not allowed to release to the public and there were things along the way I was
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telling him bill this is stuff that uh you know what I'm about to tell you I'm not supposed to be telling you know I
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can't use it on the show either and by the end of it thought I got so turned around I couldn't figure out what we
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were allowed to use and what we could not or what we could use so bill is a fascinating guy he continues to work on
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this case the case is fascinating itself the Colonial Parkway murders again I think it could be solved I think it
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could be solved very soon and it's a case that we covered in episodes 226 and 227 well and like you said you're
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talking to Bill not just the brother of a victim but a lot of the family members
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of victims become experts in the case themselves so that's really been an honor in the last five or six years of
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doing the show how many family members we've met from cases and how knowledgeable they have been and also
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how supportive they've been of the True Crime podcast world and really supportive on what we're trying to do to
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shed light on the cases that's been such an honor to be a part of the last few years well in in this case in
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particular bill is is what I would call the expert in the Colonial Parkway murders because because the murders
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happened in in several different jurisdictions there were three or four different agencies that were involved in
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the investigation of these crimes and I say three or four because there are a couple of other murders that are
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suspected to be linked but have never been 100% confirmed to be linked to these other murders so because you have
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different investigating agencies Bill Thomas has become the expert he almost knows more than law enforcement because
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he has a good working knowledge of all of the cases where the agencies that have worked uh this Colonial Parkway
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case they've only W worked their specific case not all so bill is is the encyclopedia for the
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Colonial Parkway murders and and regardless you know he's still heartbroken over the death of his sister
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and he's heartbroken that he couldn't get answers for his parents in that regard but but also
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Bill's a fascinating brilliant person in his in his own right away from the case
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so it was like you said it's um it's been an honor to meet a lot of these people along the way number five from
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the captain Amy mahalic episode number 22 and how this episode went down was we had James rener true crime author come
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down we went to a studio that I used to work at I used to intern at a music studio we decided to do the interview
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there we started off by doing an interview and a Roundtable discussion about Mara Murray's case and then you
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and James continued to have an interview about Amy mic's case I went into the next room we turned down once we knew
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you guys were working uh we just hit record turned the volume down I caught up with my old boss and other interns I
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worked with cuz I knew I had to edit the episode later so then they send me the file I edit the episode but during the
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editing process I thought wow this is a wow this is a powerful episode so much so that once I was done editing it and I
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uploaded it to our podcast feed I went and hit play on my podcast app and listened to the whole thing again um in
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its you know obviously better edited form it was really fascinating to me and I think it really showed
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the I think the passion you had for True Crime in general but but the passion that you had for the Amy mahalic case
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and also Renard's passion for True Crime and Renard's passion for Amy mahalic case and I and I remember thinking that
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that's important because when we started doing this we didn't know where it was going
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to go or you know how how involved I would be in the actual show or would I just be sitting on the sideline and
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hitting record but but I think this was kind of a wakeup moment early on where I
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said look people are very passionate about these cases and I need to take uh the production side just as serious the
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making of the music just as serious and and and also the research just as serious as any other individual would I
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would like to give a shout out to our Buddy Joe who who is the owner of that recording studio one it's a it's a
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wonderful Studio they are doing Gang Busters work over there but while we were recording in between breaks I got
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to see Joe and I hadn't seen him in years and of course the captain is is uh good friends with Joe and Joe was
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forgive me if I'm speaking out a turn here but I would say one of your mentors back in the day or at least someone who
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taught you some of the old uh industry tricks that he has experienced and and learned along the way but yeah he never
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taught me any tricks but he kept me alive for several years uh by feeding me so yeah Joe V's Studio it's in a little
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town outside of Columbus called Grove City uh the studio is called Sonic Lounge he's produced people like uh Boba
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Flex 21 pilots and uh many other bands he's a amazing engineer and producer so if you're looking for somebody to work
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with uh check out lounge and producer Joe V tell him the captain sent you now a shout out to Joe that I wanted to say
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here is um during the break I had mentioned to him I said Joe you know growing up in the area back in the the
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late 90s one of my favorite local bands was the band that Joe was in digital black and I was just you know throwing
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an old by the way here's an adab boy For You Joe I I loved your band digital black during the day back in the day me
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and my buddies would go up to the AL Rosa or to Polaris Amphitheater different places and we saw Joe's band
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play several times and the next time I saw the captain Joe had gave a couple of digital black uh CDs for for Nick and I
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jammed it out rocked it out in my car for for several weeks so big shout out to gave me CDs and I said what are these
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these like how are how is he going to play these what do you do with this how does this go into your
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phone so yeah that was not my number five well that's a perfect segue because my number four is the Amy mahalic case
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as well and as you pointed out we covered that in episode 22 where I sat down with James rener who wrote the only
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book that I'm aware of for Amy's case Amy my search for her Killer by James rener that was episode 22 we did that in
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March of 2016 it's been a it's been a minute as they say but we also covered her case in episodes 308 309 and then
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again in 345 and 346 really what you get with the 308 and 309 episodes is a much more extended
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version of the interview we did with James rener it tells it fills in a lot of the blanks that we just didn't have
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time to get to in episode 2 and then episodes 345 and 346 we go through some of the suspects and by name and why they
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are suspects and how they became how they got onto the radar in Amy mahalo's case I think we went through five
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suspects in those two episodes and there are certainly some others that we can get to and maybe we'll get back to Amy's
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case at some point for those of you who are not aware she was a 10-year-old victim who was abducted from the Bay
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Village Square Shopping Plaza back in 1989 and she was missing for a couple of months before her body was found about
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50 miles away I think the FBI website says 48.7 miles away from the shopping plaza
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but she was found in a field in Ashland County Ohio and the case remains unsolved to this day it's one that we've
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said all along we think it it is solvable we think that they will solve it someday it's just a matter of time
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yeah but In fairness you say that about every case I don't know I don't know that I say that about every case um I
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her say it a lot her case is depressing to me because there are certainly days in certainly time periods where I've
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gone in and out of this case and walked away at times going I don't think they'll ever solve it so it's one that I
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hope and pray that they do but uh yeah it's a very interesting case uh it's unique for several reasons and it's one
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that's I feel like it's really grown in popularity as far as the True Crime Community goes over the last few years
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it was certainly uh on the national level back in 89 and 90 when the case first broke partly because it's it's
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always kind of been tied to the Jacob wling case just because those two victims both went missing within a week
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of one another from two different states and at the time people is there any chance that these are
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connected because they were roughly the same age but yeah Amy mahalic I I share your feelings there Captain I I think we
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did uh really good stuff on the on the Amy episodes all right number four coming that from the
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captain Miss Elizabeth um BTK this would be a series that we did episode 204 to episode 207
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and I really just think as far as like serial killer profiles it was very extensive this is one as far as research
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goes you know I listen to several other shows I watched some documentaries I even I think one book
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maybe two books but what was fascinating to me as we were creating the episodes for everybody
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was after all that research and thinking I'm I'm an expert on this case I learned
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something every episode and so I I really that's a tip of the hat to you where I went okay well the colonel beat
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me again but uh I thought it was fascinating profile of really a a monster of an individual well I never
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look at it as a a competition because I would come up short every time the music
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you do every week that's what she said that's right that is what she said and and reminds me every day but um the
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music that you do for each and every episode is fantastic so of course I would come up short but yeah BTK was was
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fascinating stuff really good episodes and I thought we did a great job of laying everything out and really telling
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the full story as much of it as we possibly could and it was I'm not going to lie it was a little heavy a little
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heavy on the heart a little heavy on the emotions to live in BTK world for a week
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or two yeah two weeks yeah it's something that we've always looked into throughout the years even before we
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started the show I mean you BTK is you know like Jeffrey dmer Charles Manson Ted Bundy there's these there's these
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names there's these P's that um are just known to everybody so of course we we knew a good deal
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about him but it was it was interesting to dive into BTK world for a couple weeks but it was also heavy on the heart
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cheers to the people up front cheers to the people in the back big shout out to the people what's funny about this list
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is we we we also took a look at other True Crime shows and we we're going to let their episodes you know be a part of
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this best of all time podcast but what we found was we were better than everybody and so we wanted all the
00:31:00
trophies it's basically like we're giving oursel uh like an award show like the Oscars or the Grammys but only we
00:31:08
get a win and we get to give the speeches every time thank you I'd like to thank my mother and my father
00:31:15
and so many other people and then the music starts playing right all right so I think we're to number three number
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three on my list here Captain I have the deli murders this is the unsolved homicide of Abigail Williams in Liberty
00:31:36
German from February 14th of 2017 this was an interesting undertaking for the garage for the captain and
00:31:46
myself because this was one of the cases and one of the first times that we decided to tackle a case that was
00:31:53
relatively new you know this case fortunately went down in February mid-February of
00:32:01
2017 and here we were in the garage I think the the first week of May covering it for the first time a lot of people
00:32:09
had not covered the case had not touched it and if you saw anything on this case
00:32:14
it was not more than a nine or 10 minute clip regarding what little information was out there at the time and still to
00:32:22
this day little information out there because the police the law enforcement are holding so much back but as I said
00:32:29
we first covered this in May of 2017 in episodes 110 and 111 but we Revisited this case several times throughout the
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years um in July of 2019 in episodes 320 all the way through 323 we did four episodes in a row in
00:32:51
209 and then we had our discussion Show episode 395 so this is a case that is always on the garage radar it's it's
00:33:01
always on the radar for our listeners for our garage Army out there and it's certainly on the radar of the captain
00:33:09
and the colonel this is a case that there's probably I would say 10 or 12 cases captain that we seem to talk about
00:33:17
a lot off mic and this is a case that's creeped onto our other show off the Record several times and I think that
00:33:25
this is a case until it Sol d i here's what I look forward to I can't wait for the day that we can let's get a 12pack
00:33:34
really ice cold and and do a great show on the when they solve it when they I don't think of the 12pack is going to
00:33:43
help with that great show when they solve this case I want you and I to be sitting in the garage talking about it
00:33:52
and and telling all the details that hopefully will come out once they finally solve this case and to to tell
00:34:00
you what this case means to me a little Peak behind the curtain here I am a subscriber to the Carol County's weekly
00:34:09
newspaper I have it delivered all the way to my house here on Ohio every week I get their newspaper because I'm
00:34:16
looking at the pictures in that newspaper looking for bridge guy every week from the garage hoping to find this
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POS no but yeah no it's a good one because it's at the time people weren't really
00:34:30
talking about it but I remember the NFL was putting up Billboards all over the country and so we kind of felt like well
00:34:38
it's our duty to do a show not that we we're going to cover it the best but we can cover it the best we can and we can
00:34:46
get people talking about it and I had I ended up meeting several people that worked the case and they were saying
00:34:53
from the little coverage that they're getting through the news and by us covering it and the NFL's work
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by getting these Billboards put up that they were able to arrest over 200 pedophiles that weren't registered and
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so that made me feel like our our show was doing something positive in the world so my number
00:35:17
three is Brandon Lawson 911 tape episode 85 and 886 and it simply everybody when you
00:35:27
look at the case the 911 call is very important so I think one other people covered this case and we thought how can
00:35:34
we do it differently okay well we can break down this call and I know that several people that have in several uh
00:35:42
crime experts that have started to look into the case have reached out and said hey I've listened to your episode why
00:35:49
when you guys are dissecting when you guys are dissecting the 911 call and they've used it because they didn't have
00:35:56
the tool to to slow down things or to uh speed them up or to to try to clean up any of the 911 calls so they've been
00:36:05
able to use our episodes almost as a investigative tool for them as they start looking into this
00:36:12
case for those unfamiliar with that case this is another case where at the time very little information out there so
00:36:20
when we talk about Brandon going missing and the events leading up to the time that he went missing
00:36:28
we're talking about that for just 15 20 minutes of an episode and then we spend an hour and 45 minutes or so just
00:36:36
dissecting Brandon's 911 call because he calls into 911 that night and he's hurried he's out of breath it's hard
00:36:45
to decipher what he is saying at times and so many people have looked at that case and said if we could just figure
00:36:54
out what Brandon was saying we might be able to figure out what happened to this
00:37:00
young man and so yes it was it was an interesting undertaking and an interesting angle to take with that case
00:37:07
we had heard so many people say that we said you know what let's turn on the mics let's lock ourselves in the garage
00:37:13
and let's just dissect this 911 call and see if we can figure out what it is that
00:37:18
Brandon was saying and maybe they can figure out what happened to this young well I think like I said the idea too is
00:37:26
is bringing something new and different to the investigation or to the True Crime World itself I I wish
00:37:35
um I wish more people would do stuff like that and instead just you know knowing that a case has been
00:37:43
covered 500 times by other shows you know are you bringing something extra to the table or something different to the
00:37:51
table um and I think if we if we viewed cases like that more often um in in in your opinion it can be
00:37:59
something new but I think if people did that more often we might be further along in some of the investigations of
00:38:05
these cases number two for me Captain is and I've been told by many people that this is some of our best work it's the
00:38:14
boys on the tracks which was a four-part series that we did back in March and April of 2017 episodes 93 94 95 and 9
00:38:27
6 and the way that this came about was originally we were thinking we would just do two episodes on this case and
00:38:36
once we started getting into it once we got eyeballs deep into the case itself we quickly determined this has
00:38:44
got to be four parts there's just too much to tell there's too much to this story there's so much beneath the
00:38:51
surface and it kind of came about by I read a book by Mara l Mara Leverett is one of in my opinion
00:39:00
probably the most underrated true crime author of our time she wrote um the devil's not which is about the West
00:39:09
Memphis 3 case and she wrote the boys on the tracks she's not she does not have an extensive catalog of True Crime books
00:39:17
and that might be why she's not so wellard of or or well known or and is underrated in my opinion she's been a
00:39:25
longtime writer for Arkansas magazine and I believe that that takes up most of her time but if you get a chance read
00:39:33
any of her true crime books both of the two that we just mentioned are fantastic
00:39:40
really fascinating deep dives into both cases but when I first started reading the book The Boys on the tracks I
00:39:48
thought where do I know this because I kind of just randomly picked up the book I I knew her work from the devil's not
00:39:55
and I thought I want to read everything she she's wrote about I pick it up I'm reading it and I'm like where have I
00:40:02
this case seems familiar and then I remembered it was covered back in the day a long time ago
00:40:10
on Unsolved Mysteries in a episode that they titled friends till the end and this is the still unsolved and it's when
00:40:20
you listen to these episodes if you haven't already you're going to go how the hell
00:40:25
is this thing not solved but it's the unsolved murders of Don Henry and Kevin IES from back in the day
00:40:34
1987 in Bryant Arkansas and as I said I was very proud of the work that we did on these
00:40:42
episodes and it still it still brings a a big smile to the old Colonel's face today when when I still I still hear or
00:40:52
still get emails from people saying I tell everybody I know about your show I do what the captain says I
00:40:59
listen and I tell a friend and I always tell my friends start with boys on the tracks there it's a there's a really
00:41:08
good theme song that's right Pat myself on the back thank you for giving me the Grammy for boys on the tracks theme song
00:41:17
I appreciate it I'd like to thank your mother and I'd like to thank Frank and I'd like to
00:41:25
thank um alcohol yeah we don't think alcohol enough on the show okay so yeah um wait did I tell you
00:41:39
that's my number two too you just did okay there we go I I well you blabbed on for so long that I thought I
00:41:49
I already said oh yeah yeah that's my number two too so we can just move on to number one I'll keep it I'll keep it
00:41:55
brief going forward yeah we only have we only have one left uh yeah so number one number one of
00:42:07
all time all right before I get to my number one I'll do a quick little recap of my top five so far so for my best of
00:42:14
alltime True Crime garage number five the Colonial Parkway murders number four Amy mahalic case episodes number three
00:42:24
the deli double hom side and number two the legendary as I'm told that it's legendary stuff the boys on the tracks
00:42:35
so for my number one Captain I went with an oldie but a goodie this is the Austin
00:42:45
yogurt shop murders we covered this in February of 2017 in episodes 81 and 82 and they are
00:42:56
two jam-packed episodes I loved one the work that we did on it but two the the suspects that
00:43:05
we covered very thoroughly in those episodes for me it's one of the the biggest homicide Unsolved Mysteries it's
00:43:16
it's a red light case for me that's for certain 100% it's a fascinating case and I I
00:43:23
actually think that it's a case that could not get too much coverage I think that there you could we probably could
00:43:29
have done four or six episodes on the case itself it's that big it's that extensive the the Los crues bowling
00:43:38
alley Massacre actually reminds me a lot of of the yogurt shop case as well they
00:43:44
share some similarities there have been people throughout the years that thought
00:43:47
that maybe there's some link between the two but we went through a very interesting scenario in our coverage of
00:43:55
yogurt shop where we weren't able to really tell you the names of the people that we
00:44:03
believe that did it but we were able to kind of tell you through eyewitness accounts the who of it uh again not the
00:44:10
names but the individuals we believe to be most likely to be responsible for the
00:44:17
the homicides themselves the two guys that were seen at the yogurt shop that night I won't go into it too much if if
00:44:24
you want to dive into that I highly highly recommend it go back and check out the yogurt shop murders from
00:44:31
February of 2017 episodes 81 and 82 on your true crime garage dial yeah see I wonder if a
00:44:40
little bit of nostalgia but I know that is a case that you're very fascinated in
00:44:45
and and the truth is if you ask me tomorrow to name my top five it might be completely different so um or at least
00:44:57
rearranged a little bit but uh my number five is Amy mahalic which was also on your list episode
00:45:07
22 number four BTK series that's episodes 204 to 207 number three is Brandon Lawson 911 tape and that is
00:45:19
episodes 85 and 86 number two is the series the four-part series EP episodes 93 and 96 the boys on the tracks and
00:45:29
number one number one of all time for me uh so far I guess is uh the John Benet Ramsay series we did episodes 355 to
00:45:44
360 and when we're putting together these lists I started trying to think about you know what is it about this
00:45:53
case and and my my brain kind of popped something up into my head because we went over the best of
00:46:03
2020 2000 and then uh 2020 and then of all time and a lot of these cases like you take the deli murder
00:46:14
case that has really rocked that area and really changes the lives of of the locals right and you look at a case
00:46:28
like Aman mahalic and we've talked about it so many times and so then we get feedback I you know I used to know Amy
00:46:37
uh I grew up with her or I knew her brother or I knew her mother and they tell you how much it affected their
00:46:45
community and then same thing with like Brandon Lawson same thing with when you're talking to Mara Murray's family
00:46:54
they tell you how much you know her going missing has affected their lives and their
00:47:02
livelihoods and and what they've been what they might have not taken on in life because they've spent time
00:47:09
looking for a loved one so I think with all these cases you see how much it affects the community and then the
00:47:20
family members and the friends but I think the interesting thing about John B Ramsey is because it
00:47:27
was covered in the manner in which it was covered by so many media Outlets I actually feel like it was a case that
00:47:37
wasn't happening in Colorado it was happening in everybody's backyard if that makes any sense because
00:47:48
it was so highly covered and very similar to like the Casey Anthony case so highly publicized that it didn't feel
00:47:58
like it was happening in Florida it felt like it was happening in your own backyard and
00:48:04
therefore so many more people were affected and it wasn't just um a case that maybe changed the local community but it
00:48:15
was a case that maybe changed the whole landscape of of America yeah that was a case that we
00:48:24
received a lot of Praise of we covered it in six episodes and we here we are December
00:48:30
2020 it was a year ago we were we were just putting the final bow on those episodes and again a lot of a lot of
00:48:39
praise for our work that we did on that but the case itself was extremely difficult to put
00:48:48
together episodes 4 and a lot of that was because of such widespread coverage like you said Captain it's it's a case
00:48:56
that was covered so widely that it almost feels like it happened in everyone's community
00:49:03
and the the problem with putting together the the John Benet episodes was there were so many times where an
00:49:11
incident or an event or something was reported five different times five different ways there was a lot of
00:49:20
irresponsible reporting going on in that case from the time it started started all the way up until the day that we
00:49:27
covered it and so it was a lot of sifting through things and trying for the captain and I to try to go to look
00:49:35
at everything through all the different angles and go okay well what's the truth
00:49:40
here what what in this particular event on the timeline how did it actually go down what is the what is
00:49:49
the right thing to say here what is the right thing to tell the listeners here in regards to this particular thing
00:49:55
because there are so many things with that case that you can slap a question mark
00:50:02
on and say okay this is something that happened before she was killed this was something that happened after she was
00:50:09
killed does it have relevancy to the case itself it does it help point us in the direction of who did this and who's
00:50:18
responsible for killing this little girl so it was a it was an interesting case to put together it's still a case that
00:50:24
that obviously I mean fascinates me amongst everybody else as well still to this day as much as I always wanted to
00:50:33
dive in and learn more about the case and we probably could have made it 30 some episodes cuz you could have went
00:50:39
down every single rabbit hole and I also love the spirited debate that people will have about that
00:50:46
case even with us now I appreciate it because I don't have an answer I don't have a definitive solution to to that
00:50:54
crime it was just a very difficult case once we started diving in it was like oh
00:51:00
yeah we're finally covering this and it was exciting and then and then you remember what you're covering and and
00:51:08
the the darkness of the case and um so yeah that I that's something that I think will live with me for a very long
00:51:19
time well and I think with that case in particular with John Benet that it's been covered so much and
00:51:26
so often that it almost starts to take on a a bit of fantasy where it almost feels like a movie or a TV show that you
00:51:35
watched one time more so than than a real life case I mean it's it's a Despicable horrible murder of a child
00:51:43
and and you're right when we jumped into it when we dove into it there was a a certain level of excitement of going
00:51:51
okay well we're finally we're finally getting to this we're we're covering a case that we said we never would and so
00:51:57
there was a level excitement of excitement there but then once you get into it and it's it's just a heavy dark
00:52:04
depressing subject now the cases the case itself and the the way that we were able to present the information to
00:52:13
everyone I thought was real interesting too because we did it in six parts and so we
00:52:20
were really able to take different aspects of the case and really put a micro put them under the microscope for
00:52:30
the entirety of an episode you know everybody in their cousin out there have done 45 minutes on the John Benet case
00:52:37
it just it's just been done a million times but we were able to look at it I think in in a bit of a different way and
00:52:45
present it in a bit of a different way and really tear through the minutia of that case and the rumors and such and
00:52:54
really get down to to the the nuts and bolts of of the thing and and look at different aspects of the case um in in
00:53:04
our different different episodes well another reason why I think people look at the case and it almost seems like
00:53:11
it's a a movie or something is because of the pictures of the family a lot they had so many pose type pictures with
00:53:21
actual like professional photographers and so many POS type pictures of John Benet so me like
00:53:28
Glamour Shots where like a case like am me mahalic or whatever you're getting a couple home pictures or maybe a home
00:53:38
movie in a school photo with with John Benet Ramsay you're getting hundreds of professional photos because of the the
00:53:49
beauty pageants and stuff that they entered so I think that's also a part of why it becomes more movie like and it
00:53:58
wasn't released I didn't even know if it was released when we covered the case but the actual what they what they
00:54:06
believe is the last picture of Little John Benet Ramsay and it's just her looking up at her dad and he he took the
00:54:14
picture because well it's his daughter and he thought she looked cute but he also just was saying how like tired she
00:54:22
looked and how worn out she looked from ch but it was a kind of a proud moment as a
00:54:28
parent like we must have done such a good job because she is exhausted and it's now time to go home and that was
00:54:37
the last picture and she doesn't have a bunch of makeup on and she doesn't look like a a little Katie Perry or something
00:54:44
she she just looks like a little six-year-old kid that is wore out because of Christmas John B Ramsey she was
00:54:55
strangled with a cord Little Miss Colorado 6-year-old murder victim Jean Benet Ramsey unknown
00:55:05
Intruder her brother Victory John B Ramsey oh my [Music] God they still have not interviewed the
00:55:21
parents I Didn't Do It John Ramy didn't do it and didn't have a clue of anybody who did
00:55:30
this my life has been H from that day forward and I want nothing more than to find out who was responsible for
00:55:40
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