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before we dive too much further into this missing child case we want to take this opportunity to listen to an
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interview conducted with leme High County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman and this is from East Idaho news.com let's go back
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to the beginning can you kind of give us a timeline as to when the family arrived
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and what preceded well the family from what I understand that we learned during the investigation arrived the evening
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prior to July 10th sometime fairly close to dark on Thursday July 9th and then they want to went to town and let or and
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upon returning they supposedly thought they were turning their child over to their grandfather the child's
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great-grandfather they went down to the creek which is right next to the campground and with him 10 to 15 minutes
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they go up to find their child to show him some fish in the stream and he's nowhere to be found and grandfather
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assumes he's gone down to them because he was within their line of sight and wasn't too far from the campground they
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started their initial search and eventually called 911 when they realized they couldn't find the child where was
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mr. Wrenn wand at during all of this he was in the same general proximity the creek it's just over the bank
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he's downstream there upstream they're all within probably 100 150 feet of each other very close proximity very close so
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they call 9-1-1 you guys arrive and begin searching correct and at this point were where their vehicle searched
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the tents I guess everything out there was probably searched we did a come I think a very thorough investigation we
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we took two initial track dogs in one of them being mine and one being salmon police department they're trained to
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search for people who are lost they were given a cent they went from the campground up to the reservoir and
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then back to the campground and we we searched everywhere a small child could easily hide or climb into or fall into
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nothing and we found absolutely nothing talk a little bit about the cremains that were dumped into the cuz the dogs
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were getting a spanked unbeknownst us while we were doing our grid search someone came in and wanted
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to deposit remains of a loved one at that site and I'm assuming it's a favorite site of their loved one and
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without thinking they deposited these cremains not realizing they were in the middle of a crime scene and what it
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would do within a couple days our dogs are telling us we need to spend more time up at the reservoir and so we dope
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it for two or three more days and put side scan sonar and then we found out from one of our BLM Rangers that they
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stopped this individual coming out and we're informed that they had deposited some remains in the reservoir hid he D
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or been in the reservoir his body would have been recovered by now we believe so
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yeah we really believe some this store did the family go down to the store there and let or and was there any
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surveillance captured of this boy surveillance video I don't believe they have a surveillance but we have a
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receipt that we've documented that they've purchased certain certain items they were on the receipt the time was
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stamped on the receipt and so we believe you know that's where they went it was that Friday morning yes it was okay do
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you know did they stop any other places on their way up to let or I stopped to get some diesel fuel yeah any
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surveillance video at that gas station okay I'd be surprised if there's a camera anywheres in let oh yeah okay so
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as far as the the private investigator told us a few days ago that that Jessica said that there was an older gentleman
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that have been staring at Dior have you heard anything about that just the report I
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don't know that we confirmed who that individual is but you know if we had to go look for everybody that stared it at
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you personally or anybody for any type of crime you know it'd be a pretty difficult undertaking you know to check
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those stories out but you know yes we have heard that information how much of the area up there was searched it was I
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mean you guys searched for two three weeks didn't you before you officially scale back absolutely almost almost a
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three mile no sign absolutely none do you believe it was an abduction you know personally
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I think an abduction is one of the least likely events primarily the information
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we have is grandpa's watching the child he tells me he looks away momentarily when he looks back he's gone and he's
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assumed he's gone over the bank right where grandpa's sitting he's within 20 to 30 yards of the only roadway into the
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campground and absolutely no one was seen at that lower campground coming or going
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and when my personnel went in nobody was seen leaving so I think it's it you know
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I mean I can't completely rule it out but it's one of the least likely things that occurred what can you say about mr.
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Bray lon at this point he's still cooperating you know I'm not getting any feeling that
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he's not being truthful I think he's been very truthful and I appreciate his help he's come up to the area on a
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second occasion with me and until we find a piece of evidence or locating anything that tells me otherwise I think
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he's being very truthful about the parents and the grandfather you know I take all three or those three have been
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very cooperative they've given us everything we've asked for and so I feel real good about the
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parents and the grandfather also FBI as they would it be correct to say they've taken over I guess they're working with
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you they're working with us we've given them lots of items to to analyze behaviorally and we've given them some
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physical evidence I can't go into those details but we're basically trying to cover all of our bases and we're looking
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for any clue whatsoever that might help us resolve this and you said bottle bills also assisted to Balak very much
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so it's very much so can you say anything about how Isaac ended up on the trip and I hate to go into too many
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details I mean obviously there's a relationship between him and and grandpa you know you know I mean they're friends
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but prior to that trip he had never met mom and dad the family says their vehicles and cars were searched which
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which it sounds like in in any case it that would be standard procedure you know even though we
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searched him that night you know he always second-guessed it did we miss something could've been in another
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compartment did we not search everything so yeah everything's been searched at least a couple times if not more you
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guys as a department been handling this it's a lot of manpower and hours and I'm
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sure a little bit of frustration trying to find this kid well it's definitely been a challenge we've got some fabulous
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volunteers our search and rescue is second to none and they've been overwhelmed by this we've had some
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issues on on stress that we've had to deal with and our office is my chief deputy has spent endless hours up there
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he's climbed literally up to the top of some of the peaks up there he's walked into some of the old dens of some of the
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animals that live in those areas and he's been frantically searching for a clue and and it's been overwhelming I
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mean there's been days I've been the only patrolman on the road because all my personnel are up there working at the
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scene I guess he's anything big nothing I mean absolutely nothing has been ruled
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out we had bears and wolves running literally through camp searching while we were searching absolutely there's
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wolf Den's nearby well some old ones we haven't found any any fresh dens but just over the top of the divide there is
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a possum Ryan we've understood they've had some issues over there with some wolves and they've taken out some of the
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some of the wolves in order to eliminate the problem so where do you guys go from
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here well we wait until we get our report from the FBI that's going to be critical
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we're still asking the public to help us if they have any information to identify
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a two-and-a-half year old with blonde hair I'm not sure that's a positive thing for our office because every
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two-and-a-half year old little blonde hair looks just like Dior and so I'm asking the public if they know the
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family and they didn't have a two and a half year old prior to this time period that's that's when I want to look at
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closely but if if it's somebody they don't know to contact their local law enforcement and have them follow up for
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us because it's just so overwhelming for our small office yeah have you guys just
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been bombarded with absolutely absolutely what are your thoughts about the private investigator I guess that's
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just something the families doing on their own yeah yep totally Yohan kudos to them for you know looking for more
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help I can only do so much and maybe he can turn up something that we've missed but I think you know he primarily
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merrily thinks it's an abduction and and I think that's very remote and as far as
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the lie detector test you said you couldn't say what you don't yeah you know I they've all all four have taken
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voluntarily taken polygraphs and right now that those have been turned over to the FBI along with the statements and I
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would prefer to have them look at the reports and look at the evaluations on the polygraph to make sure we're looking
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at everything correctly and that we didn't miss anything at this point would you feel comfortable saying something
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criminal happened no not at all that interview was taken from August of 2015 so now at the timeline of this interview
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we're talking about it about a month after Dior went missing yeah and there are three really big takeaways that I
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have from that ten-minute interview right - from the sheriff and one from the interviewer and I'll just kind of
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throw these out there and we'll talk about him as we go the two from the sheriff for this one he says look
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we talked about the possibilities yesterday animal attack abduction or some type of involvement resulting in
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the accidental or intentional death of Dior by either a family member or a friend and I think the way that their
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wording that is to suggest the family member or friend there were three family members up there with the boy and one
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friend of the family up there with the boy right so can't rule anything out but that what really hits the home run
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there in that interview is that statement toward the end of the interview where the sheriff says if
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anyone knows the family he says I can't I'm not gonna tell you to look for a two
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year old blonde boy because almost all of them look like Dior right I want to talk to a family member or anyone that
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knows the family that can say that they did not have this boy or a young boy with them prior to going on this camping
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trip that's what I want to talk to and then the one thing that stands out for me from zero right so but to unpack that
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it's just to be clear you're saying that the sheriff is saying hey look I want proof that that boy was there right okay
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right and then the one thing that that stands out for me from the interviewer is there are multiple questions in
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multiple times where the interviewer tries to steer the questions and steer the sheriff in the direction of issac
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Ren Wald the the front the friend that is up there and I think that is for a number of reasons one at the time being
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about a month or less than a month after the disappearance mm-hmm the first thing
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that really people started calling into question when the news of this story broke especially online was a lot of
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people were very suspicious of this guy Isaac right and I think won rightfully so because immediately what you see is
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which one of these things is not like the other well Isaac is the one thing that is not like the other he's the
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friend everybody else is a family member of this little boy yeah and he's old and
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he's a little let's put it that way and he's also it seems to me a little bit on the slow
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side so you know what's weird about him in well not necessarily about him more so about this whole story and cast of
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characters to me is going into this if when I first got involved and you and I both been aware of this case for for a
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long time and it's been a while that we've wanted to cover it yeah I've never been able to dive into it as much as I
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have this week yeah and I'm going to agree with you and thousands and thousands of other people out there that
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say this Isaac guy there's something off with him he's weird he's odd and and you
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also have Jessica and vernal who both say this guy's a little odd we didn't know him he's a little weird though the
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grandfather says that you know but the the funny thing to me is after spending a long time reviewing this case and
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reviewing these for adults because that's where my suspicion lies within this pack of for adults okay
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I find all four of them to be odd so so if if we're gonna say that Isaac is odd or weird or comes off weird right I
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really think all four of them are strange birds doesn't he seem like he's operating with a lower IQ to you yes
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diminished intelligence or something like that a little slower yes I I think so in it's pretty I thought you know
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those are things that you hate to say and hate to throw out there but I think that's what most people's conclusion
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would be watching an interview with him or speaking with him in person right and
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but also the cops at this point and later they say this guy is Crawford he's cooperating with us
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and we believe he's telling the truth and what's interesting too in that interview is we have the sheriff saying
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basically that all four of these people all four of these adults are cooperating
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all four of them are answering our question the grandfather the father the mother
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they have given us everything we've asked for right we do have a little more from regarding Isaac where we have the
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sheriff saying he even came up to the site with me on a second a second time to go over everything well there's a lot
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of speculation about Isaac online so when this story broke there was a couple things that happen immediately one was
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the parents were at the forefront they were very upfront and center they were they had the spotlight on them
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everybody knew their names everybody knew that it was their son who was missing that was just part of the news
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breaking what did not occur immediately was the release of the grandfather's name or the release of Isaac's name the
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friend of the family and so I think in a way that could have started some type of suspicion about
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them or or or Isaac right but the the interesting thing here too is when his name was released
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Isaac is repeatedly identified as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history in online forms and on social
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media for a while really and that's very troubling because again which one of these things is not like the other
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Isaac is just a friend of old grandpa's yep and he's not he's not a parent of this little boy and oh he's a little odd
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and now online people were identifying him as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history and online forms and on
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social media one flicky flicky so the police did address this situation the sheriff did address this situation and
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their answer is very confusing to me but I have to throw it out there because they it may help clear some things up
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okay so the Idaho State there their response to this was to say that Isaac was at one time charged with felony rape
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and this occurred in 2006 but the charge was amended down to misdemeanor mystic battery the sheriff went on to
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say that he meaning Isaac does have a criminal record however the police reports are not consistent with his
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record and I'm not sure why that was his exact the state his exact statement he does go on to say that Isaac does that
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mean well he does go on to say that Isaac is not a sex offender Isaac is not a registered sex offender and I'm with
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you he does have a criminal record this is a statement he does have a criminal record however the police reports are
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not consistent with his record I'm not sure what that means I'm not sure why I did a little digging and the best I
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could come up with here is rumor but from what I found as far as rumor goes is that this charge that he was
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originally charged with is in some relation to his ex-wife mm-hmm and they may have been married at the time and it
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was reduced to a domestic issue what I'm getting at is where he says the police reports are not consistent with his
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record I'm wondering if the sheriff this is just all inferences here so take it with a grain of salt I'm wondering if by
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this time and I'm feeling very confident that by this time the sheriff had personally reviewed the police reports
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from those charges and he's reviewing it and going the charge doesn't really line
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up with the complaint right and so I see why it was then amended to a much lesser
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charge because either Isaac then pled guilty to something or they were able to prove the lesser charge because like I
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said maybe the sheriff reviewing the report says this complaint doesn't match up with what he ends up getting charged
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with let's hear a clip of an interview with Isaac so the garage listeners can get a feel for this individual
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as a guru yeah so and did you look back at did you actually see them all with you as a group at at some point at some
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point before we knew we were always a group before we as we started to leave the camp remember all of us being
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together right Bob wasn't Bob was at the kicking let's stay at the camp okay but to the
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very first spot when you were showing them do you remember did was just a holding
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deal was with senior D or holding viewer because if he was having trouble walking
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he probably would have had to been carried at some point right right so you ever ever anyone was holding him if he
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was he was down there just like children okay I can't answer that I don't remember everything far as I know I
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thought baby Dior was still behind us and I was showing Jessica like when I went to go show them the foot official
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like I went down that show Jessica where the fishing alone is and I assumed that
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you know Dior and his dad weren't right behind me okay Frankie or just just be -
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danger was taking them a little bit to catch up and at what point did you and Dee or senior and Jessica split up they
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went somewhere else in you and somewhere these Saturday right you came down the creek closer to the campground and left
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them up there yeah and so I don't know it was like 5-10 minute I showed him what I think must have been 5-10 minutes
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okay after I did then I started to walk I walked towards camp and I went to another fish bowl of fish knows I'm
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there fishing for a while that's when I know the fall was up their own the original walking pace him back
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the four so I asked him what was going on and he said throw of yours missing and I was like what
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so distance there on the he said that bob was like pacing on the ridge what do you mean the ridge was really high banks
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I'm not the very bottom of the bottom of the bank so it's hard to even see up over the bank that the how steep the
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banks are so you notice he said you notice Bob pacing behind it what did he look like
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he was he stressed he look like she was kind of stressed or worried about something so and so that's what made you
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think to ask him what was right then he said that little Dior's miss him so in your reaction was where you know I'm
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trying to help him look help look for him so then what did you walk up to the bank and start it and I talked to Bob a
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little bit more about work where they might where he might be in we started looking in the campers and everything
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first we looked in the camper we looked all around the area when I come to meet the vehicles we went up in the hills I
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went up the hill up there about to where the reservoirs I went up there and looked around
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I musta worn out by myself for fluffy about a half an hour an hour looking trying to find a your I couldn't find
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him so was Jessica and he or no Jessica's boyfriend her fiance at the time were they at the campsite waiting
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Bob told you dealer was missing when when he was pacing on the bank and he walked up where they had the campsite
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before night when I went down there to talk to and I went up there to talk to Bob know they were already out looking
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for him do you see him they were right they were out so you and Bob searched the immediate area I mean five searches
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in media immediate area right there for a little bit his mom came hmm I don't know she was out in the sagebrush look
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and then she came back to town I talked to her a little bit and I said what's going on here like he's missing did she
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seem upset yes she seemed pretty upset I couldn't really look at you in the face
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or anything she hadn't been able to do that for what I don't know for what reason do you so did you ever have the
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impression before law enforcement or search-and-rescue out there did you ever have a thought that maybe he was someone
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tape took him did you ever think that or was that something that came about when
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he just gonna be found I thought maybe he got lost or somewhere and sat down okay that's what my impression of
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or you know he or the just because you know I'd say you know where he went that he was he in the truck or it is he was
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he on foot he was on foot for a while and then yet he was also in the tree got in the truck tuned to go down by the
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cattle guard to go look him down there - okay but you you stay busy you ratchet busy looking dawn off the up the hills
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all over yeah was dior senior did he get it was he angry did he get aggressive with Bob did he say like you know you he
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was here last like was there frustration I think there was a little bit but he didn't seem to get too angry at Bob so
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so dr did he ever appear frustrated or anything that you're the heat tell Bob at the time of you I left him here with
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you did he ever say anything like that did vernal D or Jessica's boyfriend and her fiance he left the campground did he
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leave the campground in his truck to go call 9-1-1 do you know far as I know he left the camp out any strokes go look
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for little be oral by the the cattle guard other than that I don't know if they left did no comment or if they
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called it from there was one of their cellphones I don't okay was Bob continuing to look to could
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he get up and down the hills very easy he had kind of a hard time because you have the oxen machine a to so okay so
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all right it's so little to do so much time wait reverse that first that cheers cheers man we got a lot to get to here
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and like you said not like you said just a little bit of time to do it I do want
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to Noel quotes from Willy Wonka oh yeah yeah that's here with it he says a couple things backwards and says to
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reverse it so I do want to point out here that at some point the leme High County Sheriff's Department they
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announced that all four of the adults that were up on that campsite with little baby Dior at some point they
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announced that all four of them are considered to be persons of interest so Isaac who you just heard there the
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grandfather as well as both the parents and you heard in that clip to the reporter kept referring to Dior's father
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as D or several times in there and that's why I wanted to point out early in this case that sometimes you might
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hear him referred to as that we've been calling him vernal to keep it nice and tidy so we'll continue to do so right
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now do we want to get into the whole shovel thing yeah let's go ahead and get into the shovel thing because you know
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that's the last question that was asked yeah so apparently this is according to Jessica that there was a shovel that she
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said had like some mud on it like it was recently used right and this is this shovel incident takes place once law
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enforcement are on the scene once they are searching for Dior and she she says that she tells though tells law
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enforcement about this shovel points it out to him says it look the shovel looks
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like it was recently used now also at this time she's already telling law enforcement that Isaac is a bit odd and
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that they don't really know anything about this guy so somehow they connect this shovel to him or they want to talk
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to him about the shovel she says that they take Isaac away from the group they talked to him for for a while
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and they are going to look and examine look at and examine the shovel she says something about a hair being on blonde
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hair but blonde hair and she says this could have been one of the yours hairs she points it out to the law enforcement
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and then reaches to grab it and it blows away in the wind yep that's gone gone forever and so I guess once they're done
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talking to Isaac he comes back to the group and knows that they were talking about the shovel and jessica says Isaac
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then begins rubbing the shovel or touching the show shovel something to that effect which she found to be
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incredibly weird on August 12th 2015 private investigator Frank vilt joins the search the way that this is
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explained how this comes about is that Frank vilt is a friend of the family somehow and he
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offers his expertise into helping the family this relationship does not seem to go very well at all no and it seems
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to unravel and fall apart fairly quickly I love private investigators all of them
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seem to have a little bit of a cocky swagger yeah like they're gonna come in and they they know what's best
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well mr. veldt is a retired US Marshal so he has a good amount of experience and he's offering his help and as we
00:34:21
said this seems to fall apart very quickly at some point he withdraws himself from assisting the parents of
00:34:30
Dior yeah and he even issues them a statement regarding such them and within that statement here are some interesting
00:34:40
words that he uses quote my stipulation was that both of you would be absolutely
00:34:46
truthful this is him talking to the parents of the or in my professional opinion both of you lied and
00:34:54
misrepresented the true facts that could possibly solve the mystery of your missing son
00:35:01
what we have here is the investigator is stating these individuals he does not think that they have been truthful with
00:35:09
him right and thus hindering his investigation he's starting to be suspicious that they know more why would
00:35:19
they not want to be truthful with this man that's trying to help them out yeah if you're hearing inconsistencies and
00:35:25
stories you're gonna go hey what's why are you lying there's also some other angles here and one of them being the
00:35:32
reward money now this has reported many different ways so I'll just kind of give
00:35:38
you the whole of it and you can decide exactly what was going on it was reported that at one point they were
00:35:46
offering five thousand maybe even ten thousand dollars for information regarding the missing boy and I believe
00:35:54
this would have been coming from like Crimestoppers or something in the general area the community coming
00:35:59
together and trying to help this family at some point private investigator Frank
00:36:04
vilt says you know what we need to increase this amount yeah this might not be enough money to to draw somebody out
00:36:10
that could really know something so I knowing that you don't have even the funds to pay me to help you and that you
00:36:19
don't have the means to build this reward yourself I will offer up some of my own money I'm already giving you my
00:36:25
time yeah so I'll offer up some of my own money let's increase this reward to $20,000 and make this a national case
00:36:35
and make it you know let's get some substantial reward money here to try to draw out some possible information some
00:36:43
leads on to where your son could be his statement says that they were not on board with that that the parents of Dior
00:36:50
were not on board with increasing the reward amount right which on one hand makes it look pretty fishy but on the
00:37:00
other hand they might not be wanting to you know they're already asking this guy
00:37:05
of his time and his effort and his energy and maybe they think this is a simpler case and it should be solved
00:37:12
quickly and we should find answers quickly and we want you to put up your own money we've
00:37:17
already asked enough of you I think you go to the ends of the earth to find your
00:37:23
child right but it goes back to you know the mother is crying too much the mother
00:37:29
is not crying enough I mean it's hard to put yourself in their shoes and to know
00:37:35
how you would react me or you I would think we both go yes offer more money you know you're you're willing to do
00:37:43
that for me what a great person I like the cut of your jib for me this is one of the most suspicious behaviors of any
00:37:51
of them of any of the behaviors throughout this entire case I think that it would be bizarre to not allow this
00:38:00
man to offer further help and assistance to try to probably to find your son we haven't we have the father we heard his
00:38:10
own words we will find you we will find you we will not stop looking yeah so to me this is this is a very suspicious
00:38:18
behavior by the parents now we do need to keep in mind we are not privy to conversations that occurred on the phone
00:38:26
or within closed doors meetings between this investigator and the family right so we we keep that in mind but again I
00:38:35
find this to be very strange and I haven't heard their rebuttal if they have one on this situation so should we
00:38:43
get into Frank Volt's theory as to what he thinks may have happened here yeah because we got so many things to kind of
00:38:51
go through and the order is the proper order to do them is not very clear to me at this moment
00:38:57
so let's just wrap up Frank veldt mm-hmm so he gives this very pup he gives a letter to the family explaining why he's
00:39:06
no longer going to be working their case at some point he says you know I have a
00:39:12
theory and I've pored through some of their information I don't have any evidence to back this theory up I just
00:39:22
have suspicions and what he says is he believes that one the mother Jessica knows exactly where her son is
00:39:32
or knows what happened to Dior and two key sites that she at one time has given away custody of her two other children
00:39:43
that she has yeah it did there was an old marriage that no longer existed and at some point she gave over full custody
00:39:53
basically an adoption process to her ex-husband yeah they make it seem like it's an option process quote unquote but
00:40:02
she still had visitation she still saw her kids so that's very unclear yeah that that is her rebuttal I am still
00:40:11
involved with them I still see those yeah yeah it was simply look the the dad was involved and he had quite a bit of
00:40:20
money and he could provide a better life for them and she wasn't working so that's her rebuttal yes and then we do
00:40:28
have in January of 2016 remember we mentioned that the Sheriff's Department at one point named all four
00:40:35
adults as persons of interest in this case publicly well in 2016 they now elevate the parents to the status of
00:40:46
suspect yeah but they're also gonna get another private investigator involved yeah and this occurs before they're
00:40:54
named suspects okay so November 23rd of 2015 KIC Texas this is a private investigative firm they join the case
00:41:04
and on January 9th there is a fundraiser held to pay for kic Texas but just seven days later
00:41:15
KIC Texas says Dior is no longer alive then we have January 25th where the parents are named by law enforcement as
00:41:25
suspects and the following day vernal Koons hires an attorney on May 2nd Philip Kline he's one of the investigators with
00:41:37
kic Texas says Jessica Mitchell knows where the Todd body is and the next day the Coons
00:41:46
family fires kic Texas they are told that the Coons family will sue KIC Texas well this is a lot to unpack because you
00:41:59
have this team searching for answers and they're now saying that the mother knows
00:42:08
where the Sun is and that the Sun is dead mm-hmm and where's their evidence for this so they're brought into this case
00:42:20
cold we should say that they're brought in with no assumptions and they're going
00:42:25
to go in there if with phase one of their investigation is to interview all four of those adults that were up at the
00:42:32
campsite and it's through the course of these interviews now mind you I don't think that they ever spoke with Isaac
00:42:39
directly they spoke with the grandfather and the two parents and what their findings were is that they were being
00:42:47
told different stories that we have the parents telling with the record states from kic Texas that they were told five
00:42:56
different stories by both parents who were interviewed separately and they questioned some of the statements that
00:43:05
they received regarding the grandfather now what they do state regarding Isaac is that they again I don't think they
00:43:14
spoke with him directly their statement is that he spoke with law enforcement on
00:43:19
four different occasions and gave the same story every time well I have a couple problems with this Phillip Cline
00:43:25
and I don't know if you've seen some of the statements that he's given about this wani
00:43:32
claims we came in cold we knew nothing and then the next statement is we came up with three theories there are three
00:43:41
theories were the same as the sheriff's theories yes they after speaking with the Sheriff's Department
00:43:48
those were the theories that they were going to investigate right which if you're going in cold you don't ask for
00:43:56
theories you also don't just ponder ok here's the situation now let's sit around and think about
00:44:02
theories because that what you're doing is you're creating a theory and now you have to follow that down the rabbit hole
00:44:09
until you get to the end right if you're coming in cold you come up with no theory
00:44:15
you let evidence direct you to theories and then you go down those rabbit holes and yes they interviewed these people
00:44:26
three out of the four where's your due diligence there and then on the other hand yes there's parts of their stories
00:44:35
that don't light up they don't go through and tell you which ones don't line up and if you watch some of these
00:44:44
interviews some of the things that don't line up as the parents say well we told
00:44:50
grandpa to watch our son we went walking up there then they asked grandpa were you told to watch the Sun I guess so
00:44:59
that's what they told me I can't really remember so is that one of the things that is not lining up because if if that
00:45:08
if there's ten of those that don't line up is it miscommunication or is it a lie
00:45:16
well so just to clarify and this is according to kic taxes to their official statement is that they came into the
00:45:26
case cold in November of 2015 okay they said that they did not review read or correspond with any agency or media
00:45:35
group until after phase one was established in the investigation this phase included but was not limited
00:45:41
to interviews with family friends relatives witnesses and sight location information post completion of phase one
00:45:48
it was after these interviews that it was determined that they needed to follow up and examine the three theories
00:45:57
that we discussed so it is their official statement that they did come in cold that they it wasn't until
00:46:04
interviews and all that was conducted that they arrived at the same three theater
00:46:10
that the Sheriff's Department did that needed to be investigated at the time right but again if you look at the
00:46:18
statements that they have released they make tons of gigantic claims like we know that the Sun is dead
00:46:27
we know the mother knows where the Sun is just she won't tell us these are huge claims that you're not backing up with
00:46:35
any evidence so you're just putting this out to the public you're just putting this out to the media and you're not
00:46:41
giving us the reason why look if you want to make a statement like that I have I have no problem and if they're
00:46:48
pieces of [ __ ] they're pieces of [ __ ] and let's figure out what happened to this kid what I have a problem with is
00:46:54
you making statements and then and not coming up with not releasing any evidence to to back up your your
00:47:03
statements and these are damning statements that's why they're being sued and then they also do stuff like well we
00:47:11
raised $29,000 for their they weren't going to be charged hourly rates it was just going you know they're gonna raise
00:47:22
this money just through fundraisers through fundraisers and they make a big deal about how wealth out of the $29,000
00:47:32
raise 20,000 we used we don't really know where the other 9,000 is right okay well you have two parents that are not
00:47:41
working that are spending their time searching and you have you know all that stuff going on and there's a lot of
00:47:51
times in these cases where some of that money goes to the family but again it's one of those things we're gonna throw
00:48:00
some shade we used 20-some thousand dollars there's nine thousand missing oh that makes
00:48:09
these parents guilty well I see what you're saying but I don't think that that look I don't want to get into
00:48:17
trying to determine what the intentions are of kic Texas right if this were me and this it
00:48:23
situation I would do exactly as they did with that statement that you just said because okay keep this in mind they
00:48:32
agreed to take on the case this was based off of through fundraisers that was with the general public so me I
00:48:41
would feel that I owe an explanation to the general public that came together to
00:48:45
raise all this money to hire me and now I'm accusing the parents so I write my my problem with that though is if you're
00:48:54
a private investigator if you're a team of in private investigators and you know
00:48:59
that sometimes the money is used for things like that to pay rent and because life goes on your kids missing in a life
00:49:06
it's going on you would know this so doesn't matter that's not my obligation and here what I'm right what I'm saying
00:49:15
is people need to be more concerned with the truth and what they're trying to do
00:49:19
and this is all the truth they don't know the statements they're making is Wiese we can throw shade and then we
00:49:26
don't have to back that up with [ __ ] other than don't get me I'm not talking about any other statement other than
00:49:32
just the money right now no I just look look the money I get but what I'm saying
00:49:37
is if you're a private investigator if you raise money before and the money goes toward you towards your expenses
00:49:43
but it also sometimes goes to paying the the the parents rent that that month you
00:49:51
know that that's a possibility so don't just put it out there with we spent 20-some thousand and we don't know where
00:49:56
this other money is so look down upon the the parents and that's what I'm saying that's irresponsible they could
00:50:04
have made a mistake it's irresponsible at all I understand that you feel the need to tell the public where the money
00:50:10
went yeah that's that's if I were in this situation that would be my only obligation is that I need to tell you
00:50:17
where the money that you people put together your hard-earned money that you put together for this investigation I'm
00:50:25
going to tell you exactly where it went and my statement is twenty nine thousand
00:50:30
two hundred and one dollars was raised for the investigation of which twenty thousand was used for investigators and
00:50:37
equip travel and hotels only investigators hourly cost and all other cost have been
00:50:43
donated to the Klein foundation that is funded by kic Texas and the stockholders
00:50:50
of kic right this is where they're saying we have no idea what happened to the nine thousand two hundred and one
00:50:58
dollars these these other monies given this is where the Coons family can come forward and say we had to pay our rent
00:51:06
right we've out of there the ones that had debts their obligation to the public okay I have I agree there as a as a
00:51:13
businessman and as myself I only took a percentage of the money raised I only need to answer for that okay and I don't
00:51:21
think that there but what what they did in the statements that they released if you read the statement that they
00:51:27
released that I am reading the steam at the daily it's constantly less throw a little shade give you no evidence to
00:51:34
back up our statement and then move on to the next one throw more shade don't back it up with any evidence and maybe
00:51:40
they don't have to release that to the public but I think when you're when you're sitting there making these bold
00:51:46
statements why do you think that why do you think that the kid is dead why do you think that the mother knows where
00:51:53
the kid is at you know well what led you to that just Lies or inconsistencies and
00:52:01
that that's my problem with the statement I agree with that I do I don't think that all of this was handled in
00:52:09
the best most professional manner but also keep in mind if they do have any evidence that led them to those
00:52:18
conclusions the public is not the right place for that to end up the the proper place for that is to turn that evidence
00:52:26
over to law enforcement now right but you could also make the statement of simply like the the last private
00:52:35
investigator we think that they're being they're not being cooperative or they're
00:52:39
not telling us the truth and we're backing away from this and we're given all the information that we've collected
00:52:43
to the authorities but to me this statement was we're going to throw as much again
00:52:51
these parents as we can and to publicly shame them well here's one part that is left out of some of those documentaries
00:53:00
in some internet coverage of this case and this is from kic Texas when they are talking about all the searches that they
00:53:08
conducted through their course of their investigation okay this is actually listed as their secondary search and
00:53:16
this is very interesting information one they say that investigators search by permission in the 900 block of ADA Idaho
00:53:26
Falls Idaho which is the former residents of vernal Coons in Jessica Mitchell yeah both have been evicted for
00:53:33
not paying rent and left in the apartment furniture and clothing and such the landlord had cleaned out the
00:53:40
apartment moved all the articles to a near dumpster to near the dumpster for removal as the property had been
00:53:48
declared abandoned by the landlord right investigators were given permission to search the abandoned waste by the
00:53:55
landlord during the search we will report investigators found the following one four Matchbox cars described
00:54:03
previously by the parents as missing and they did not know where they were to a camo child's jacket similar to being
00:54:12
described by both parents as being worn on the day of the event and suggested to
00:54:16
be missing with the child 3 a credit card used by family by a family friend with seemingly purchases of items
00:54:27
unknown to investigators in testimony for an insurance tracking device box and instruction package all evidence was
00:54:36
turned over to the leme High County Sheriff's Office for further testing with the US DOJ and FBI all right
00:54:46
there's some things so back the camo jacket a little strange could have multiple jackets right the Matchbox cars
00:54:57
but you know I should care less about I don't think there's much there these I think the the the reason why they call
00:55:05
these question is because they are saying that these cars were described previously by
00:55:11
the parents is missing right they didn't know where they were what's with this credit card so I don't
00:55:17
know what's up with this credit card because here they look with that they need to be vague right they can't tell
00:55:23
us what the purchases were and when they took place but what they are saying is this card was used by a family friend
00:55:29
with purchases of items unknown to investigators throughout the course of testimony given by likely the parents
00:55:38
right and what what the hell is an insurance tracking device box I don't know some kind of tracking device with
00:55:48
instructions yeah that's I don't know that's that's very strange maybe maybe somebody could add that to
00:55:57
the blog and let us know what what the hell that is but yeah I think the key the the big thing there the big thing
00:56:04
that you call in a question there is the camo jacket the one that we've always heard all along that is described to be
00:56:10
similar or the same as what the boy was wearing when he was last seen by his parents right well no look I think
00:56:19
that's something but again there's kids that like camo and they have multiple camera jackets and I I get that but it's
00:56:27
just like the money situation right is an investigator my only obligation is to tell you what I found and what I'm using
00:56:35
your money for I am not preventing the Coons family or the parents of ever coming forward in giving a rebuttal or
00:56:44
adding to that information and saying we had to use the money for rent we had no
00:56:48
choice yeah he had two or three camo jackets we were unaware that that was in the trash right I mean this this one's
00:56:57
this so tough I mean this case one this cute boy I mean if you watch any of the footage of him I mean he's just he's
00:57:06
kind of a goofball there's a there's a scene where he's saying mama I love you and she's saying I love you back and he
00:57:12
won't stop saying I love you and you'd think it's just this accident that they turned their back and he goes
00:57:21
missing and and they're gonna find him and it's you know it's tragedy but it's an accident or or there's an animal that
00:57:29
took this poor kid away but it's almost like you can live with that that's the that's an accident and those things
00:57:40
happen and it's trad it's a tragedy but then when you go all these we have multiple private investigators ruling
00:57:48
out that an animal took this kid away or that he walked off on his own we have this sheriff saying the same
00:57:56
thing the sheriff is saying look the likelihood of this kid being abducted out there does it make any sense we have
00:58:04
private investigators saying the same thing then we have eyewitnesses that can't put this kid in that area out of
00:58:13
the four people there they're saying that there's a there's a kid there but three of the people or family members so
00:58:23
are they covering up for each other and that did they take advantage of this neighborhood friend quote unquote it's a
00:58:32
little odd that we can he'll be one of our witnesses and the boy is never there and other than him we have nobody
00:58:42
outside the family saying that the boy was even there and then you have one private investigator go hey you fools
00:58:51
are lying to me I'm out the door next private investigator comes in hey you fools lying to me I'm out the door
00:59:00
and then it comes back to this idea to with the sheriff saying we exhausted every option of it being accid of it
00:59:10
being an accident and the parents not coming clean about it and that's where it brings you to this statement from
00:59:17
Jessica where she says hey look I was offered immunity I was offered immunity but I had to show him the body of my
00:59:28
child and can't do that well where when we talked about you know we were getting into
00:59:37
throwing shade and and here's the thing I want to I want us to keep in mind that
00:59:44
all along the way in my opinion Jessica was showing throwing shade at these unknown unnamed individuals yeah this
00:59:54
this dirty man with the boy at the at the store this creepy guy that was staring at my boy at the store right all
01:00:02
along the way throwing shade at these unnamed individuals or named in individuals look at our look at the
01:00:10
family friend he was odd he was weird he's he still is weird whatever yeah but that they even threw shade at the
01:00:18
grandfather yeah you're right she does she's like if maybe something happened with my grandfather maybe he did
01:00:25
something yeah so the thing I wanted everybody to keep in mind here I think this is a statement to to to throw this
01:00:33
out to the public so where it's going to look like oh well I must be innocent I must be innocent if I tell all of you
01:00:41
that I was offered immunity and that I had to produce I had to show them where the body was so why would I not be
01:00:49
innocent if I could just show them where the body was then I'm not getting charged with anything so that's that's
01:00:56
that's as much evidence as you need that I'm absolutely innocent what she fails to tell you well as I believe this is
01:01:04
just my belief I can't back this up because the Sheriff's Department and law enforcement agencies have not confirmed
01:01:11
that they've ever offered her immunity right that I could find no no they're they're silent about there's no comment
01:01:18
but I want you to I want I'm going to give you a direct statement from Lynn Bowerman who we heard from earlier he's
01:01:26
the the Lemhi County Sheriff yeah let's go through this statement of his and let's read between the lines here okay
01:01:34
he says first he leads in with this this is midway through a whole long conversation but he says they could not
01:01:42
meaning the parents they could not pass the section this is in regards to the polygraph on do you know where dr Kunz
01:01:49
is at this time and do you know what happened to him they could not pass those two parts on the polygraph captain
01:01:57
and I both agreed before the recording of this it's it's stated publicly that they didn't pass polygraph tests you and
01:02:06
I are just going to throw that out we're gonna toss that out completely because we understand how difficult that is to
01:02:13
polygraph parents of a dead child or missing child who may be actually innocent so let's just toss that in the
01:02:21
trash can and go on to this statement regarding I think this is indirect regards to her statement about immunity
01:02:29
well I'm back to real quick on that it's one because if a parent feels guilty about their child dying or going missing
01:02:38
they will fail that portion and also if they are too emotional they will fail portions of the test
01:02:47
that's why in most cases I like lie detectors and these cases I do not so his statement in January 2016 says we've
01:02:59
given them meaning both parents yeah too many opportunities to tell us what happened if it was an accident
01:03:08
there's been no interest in going that direction so that tells me there's only one other possibility it has to be a
01:03:18
homicide I disagree with the end of that statement that it has to be a homicide right I think that that's a very likely
01:03:24
possibility but when I apply this statement to jessica statement about me being offered immunity and I have to
01:03:32
show them the body the discussion that you and I had earlier is there's a couple problems with that that doesn't
01:03:38
mean that she's innocent because one if I'm Jessica and I show you where the body is if there in fact is one what if
01:03:47
the evidence on that body does not suggest or backup my statement of what accident occurred with that boy
01:03:55
right what if they go well we found this or that now we know this is a homicide this was not an accident right now she's
01:04:03
in trouble because I would bet you that that immunity if in fact she was offered
01:04:08
that was stipulated by it being an accident that she be completely truthful and lead them to the body right because
01:04:16
why would they give them immunity if they think they're guilty of killing here's the other round let's go back to
01:04:22
the first private investigator he had some thoughts and theories that maybe the child was given away yeah well
01:04:31
therein lies another problem if you offer me immunity and I have to lead you to the body there is no body
01:04:38
the boys alive right and elsewhere and there's a lot of speculation that the boy's father is not his real father and
01:04:46
and and since there's speculation of that and the last private investigator brings this point up as well but it's
01:04:53
like let's just do the DNA test let's do a DNA test to clear this up and so we can move on with the investigation
01:05:00
mm-hmm I do want to point out one other thing that they thought brought Jessica into
01:05:05
suspicion was the lack of photos apparently she was very diligent about always taking photos of little Dior and
01:05:15
posting them online and on social media and they note that on the camping trip now be it it's a short trip from the
01:05:25
time they show up to to the time that he goes missing it's what 24 hours less than 24 hours they do know hey what you
01:05:33
didn't take any pictures of your boy during this time you didn't post any pictures so that that's one thing of
01:05:39
interest continuing on with more statements from kic Texas they state that they don't have any evidence other
01:05:46
than the testimony of the four adults at the campsite that indicates the Dior Coons the minor child was on the
01:05:53
mountain and they say we believe that the parents through family members and through friends in social media have
01:06:02
begun a misinformation operation on behalf of the parents to mislead the media mislead law
01:06:10
enforcement and mislead investigators with kic Texas as well as the general public stating we now have do to the
01:06:19
testimony of all witnesses including store employees clerks beer distribution drives fuel handlers and credible
01:06:27
witnesses that have given credible testimony that we cannot find any person that saw the child go up to the mountain
01:06:35
either the day of the event or the evening before we therefore are now moving our timeline of the event back to
01:06:43
5:00 p.m. of the day before the 911 call was made all right so now that we've heard from pretty much everybody but
01:06:52
what's your thoughts on this here's the weird thing for me is that I don't necessarily agree with either the
01:07:00
Sheriff's Department or kic Texas where both persons have decided to both agencies have decided to backup their
01:07:08
timeline and look for people to talk to the day before before they even went to the campsite right and my reasoning
01:07:15
behind this is a couple of things we yes we only have the four adults saying that
01:07:21
Dior was ever even there but the problem with that is if in fact he never was there then all four of these people have
01:07:29
to be involved in some form or fashion right I don't see a situation where all four of them are involved especially
01:07:37
when we see that they all kind of start turning on one another a little bit right by all private investigators and
01:07:44
the law enforcement believe the the family friend right and that's the thing you can't believe the family friend and
01:07:54
then say he was never there that day that's that's where your problem is because if you believe Isaac's
01:08:01
statements and Isaac has said every time Dior was there he was at the campsite so
01:08:09
where I'm going with this is is a couple things okay so I think that Dior did go
01:08:16
up to the campsite with them where everything starts to fall apart is the next morning when they wake up the next
01:08:23
morning right that's when the stories start getting wonky between the grandfather the the father and the
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mother right then we have Isaac who he can't recall certain things and he seems a little confused about some things he's
01:08:39
guessing sometimes yeah but everybody stating he's given the same story for different times and they believe him to
01:08:46
be truthful so we have the parents who at some point say you know what it could have been this Isaac guy that did
01:08:53
something to my child we have the mother who said it could have been my grandfather that did something to this
01:08:58
child right the grandfather starts to say you know what I'm starting to not think I know what happened up there I
01:09:06
think the problem for the grandfather and or Isaac to be responsible for what happened to Dior is that the timeline is
01:09:16
too small the window of time of opportunity to do something to this boy is too small right the body of ones
01:09:25
don't even physically fit the one that's carrying around oxygen right he's carrying around oxygen I don't know what
01:09:32
would lead me to believe here's the problem if the grandfather did something wrong then you have to believe the
01:09:37
parents story right right if Isaac did something wrong you have to believe the parents story and both their stories say
01:09:44
we left we went into town we came back we're there a short period of time and then in a window of 10 to 15 minutes our
01:09:52
boy goes missing well that only gives the grandfather and/or Isaac 10 to 15 minutes to kill and in and get rid of
01:10:02
the body it just it doesn't work out because you have to believe somebody's story along the way somebody is telling
01:10:10
the truth and I think the person telling the truth is Isaac and regarding the grandfather I believe that he's just a
01:10:17
little confused I think he's a little old right because of his age and because he falls asleep often he might not
01:10:25
really know what happened I personally think and I have no idea what actually happened to Dior but where I have a big
01:10:34
problem is two of the camping trip as soon as they wake up that morning the stories start
01:10:40
to fall apart Dior's parents cannot tell you exactly what time they left they give different reasons for why they left
01:10:47
to begin with and at some point their stories do start to meet in the middle but that might be because they're going
01:10:53
well wait a second you said you went into town for female products right he's saying you went into town for gas
01:11:02
yeah the you could have went in town for both and they also claimed they stopped
01:11:05
at four or five places we have nobody along the way that says that they saw the child with either parent or both
01:11:12
parents and the problem here is we have the mother saying oh we interacted with this person and they can confirm that
01:11:20
they saw the or nope they couldn't oh and then the father said I don't even know if they could
01:11:25
confirm that they saw her the father says we were the boy stayed out in the in the you know near the truck with me
01:11:32
and we spoke to this person and they can confirm that me and Dior were there right that person says nope I never saw
01:11:38
the boy so what is it they can't tell you what they had for breakfast who cooked breakfast they can't tell you if
01:11:45
the boy went into the stores if he stayed out with his dad what they went into town for my thought is that
01:11:52
something happened to this boy either after they went to bed the first night of camping or they got rid of him
01:11:59
somewhere when they went into town and I think when they got back we had a short
01:12:05
period of time and we had two guys two other guys that could be easily tricked I think that there's a good chance that
01:12:12
Dior was never there once they returned to the campsite and I think we have Isaac and Bob who both can't fully
01:12:24
recall the exact minutes and movements of what was going on all right and I think that whatever happened it happened
01:12:34
and they they got rid of him elsewhere now he could be alive they could have handed him off to somebody else right
01:12:39
and just came back and said you know what we're gonna wanna say that we lost the boy and now we got these other two
01:12:46
guys they can't really confirm what was going on that day that just that's where I'm kind of left and I
01:12:52
know it's not any brilliant thoughts or any brilliant evidence added to any of those thoughts but it's just when you
01:12:59
really start looking at everybody's stories you have to believe somebody if not if that boy never went up on that
01:13:05
mountain then all for these people are involved in some form and fashion and I also want
01:13:10
to add some things regarding Isaac year one year after the disappearance of this
01:13:19
little boy he is asked in an interview do you think that the parents did something to him he says no I don't
01:13:27
think that I don't know them very well but I don't think that they would do anything like that and that struck me is
01:13:33
so interesting where you have all these people turning on one another they even turned on Isaac yeah and guess what I
01:13:43
think that the investigators really thought Isaac could be their guy very early on right they're talking to him
01:13:50
they interview him four times I he has the most reason to be truthful and say Dior was never there because he was
01:13:59
looked at by the family or talked about by the family as a possible suspect right so why what does he have to gain
01:14:08
from saying the boy was there that day the only thing he has the gain from saying the boy was there that day is
01:14:14
suspicion upon himself yeah I think investigators wanting to roll back the time period all the way to five o'clock
01:14:23
I don't know if that is is right but but again it's possible because thinking about this way you have a short period
01:14:33
of time that you're going to go to the campground or you have to set up people are setting up tents we're gonna sleep
01:14:40
over here in the Blazer and and you're gonna be in there and and you could you could probably pretend a little bit that
01:14:48
you have Oh we're gonna put him down for a nap he's already sleeping right and the family friend he's a little off so
01:14:59
he might let his imagination run wild a little bingo yeah well yeah the it was there I saw him in the backseat
01:15:06
you know who knows what he saw right I don't know if we should go all the way back but we don't know what happened
01:15:16
once everybody fell asleep did the parents leave but I'm also with you on the idea that why did he go into town
01:15:24
this doesn't make much sense and also like most women know their cycles so most women would know hey I might be on
01:15:35
my period soon maybe I should be prepared right so I think between that and then the other excuse of what we had
01:15:44
to get gas well you gotta get gas for you you knew that you were gonna go into this this place to to camp out for the
01:15:57
night normally if you're running on a gas go well let me stop here in town and then we'll go out there so I I kind of
01:16:06
feel the same thing too maybe what happened that night or what happened in this time period and it's it's very odd
01:16:16
to me that you have two people they can't recall even how long they were gone for like the you know the
01:16:25
grandfather and the family friend they can't recall so who knows how long it was and it's like was it two hours was
01:16:34
it three hours was four hours we don't know and but I think they would be able to track their phones though and that's
01:16:44
what makes me believe that maybe they can't prove that they went further out than they claim that they did and maybe
01:16:55
that's why they're put in their time period back to the day before they left but this is a difficult one and it's
01:17:02
very sad and and it's like I guess there's a part of you that wants to believe the parents aren't horrible
01:17:12
pieces of [ __ ] but what then consistencies nothing ever lining and it's it's one thing if one private
01:17:20
investigator doesn't like you but - and then law enforcement turns on you and it
01:17:28
seems like everybody keeps turning on them and those people just don't turn on the parents of a missing child for no
01:17:36
reason yeah unless that boy was abducted in in a very tiny short window of time with
01:17:45
four adults up there who saw nothing with one way in one way out nothing else makes sense to me the parents are the
01:17:53
only two that had an opportunity to get rid of the boy or the body right but I can't get over that statement of the
01:18:01
search dogs with the scent did not pick up a scent of that boy I can't get over that again though that leads you to if
01:18:12
you believe he was never there then all four of these individuals are in on this
01:18:17
and the the opportune time to get rid of this boy is when they go back into town
01:18:23
and it doesn't necessarily mean that they dumped a body they could have hid a body or they could handed the boy off to
01:18:30
somebody at some point right the other thing that I call into question here is you are taking care of your grandfather
01:18:37
he requires a caregiver he is on oxygen 24/7 I'm not leaving my two year old boy
01:18:44
who's described as a real go-getter who moves quick with my elderly oxygen needing grandfather alone that makes no
01:18:55
sense just doesn't line up yeah so I regardless of why they claim that they went into town maybe he needed fuel
01:19:02
because they were running something off of the car when it was turned on maybe she did need these products that I don't
01:19:10
so much call into question I call in a question a lot of the behaviors and the the statements that just don't line up
01:19:20
before we wrap up captain we should very much include that yes the Coons family did carry through and follow through
01:19:28
with their lawsuit KIC Texas yeah and just this month as of May 2009 teen a court dismissed the case
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