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and alien we have Tony Wheels I put enough Flyers what he wanted me to give him a couple Flyers
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and then he told me at the same time he said well if you guys stay tomorrow I'll take you up in the mountains
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could he show us where she was but then he had told me before he couldn't understand why they hadn't went
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and got her body and picked her up and he told us that they had the reason they told her exactly where she was was
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because they wanted her to get her breast implants and her Northland so they told him and I asked him did he so
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did they just draw over a ravine no no they didn't throw her over no flip for nothing she buried
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he assured me of that and then he knew exactly where she was married at because he had told him to a
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map or something so I told her I'm crazy you know he said she said what he's going to come over to the motel
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tonight and he's going to show me how Jennifer was murdered and if it hurts too much to tell him to
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stop then he'll stop can any he's going to take me up in the mountains and show him where she's
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buried he was going to demonstrate how she was killed on her specifically how she was murdered
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did he ever come over and do that he came over that all right well we got back from hotel room and she said that
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we couldn't be there at the motel room we were supposed to leave did he said that for him to come and do
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this and she would we was going to have to leave and I thought I told her me and
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Noah went down there and told her you know you're crazy Mary if you do that he's going to kill you
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and you're not going to ever be seen again your marriage it was she didn't care she
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wanted to know where her daughter was and she had to be killed then that was just the way it was
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did that meeting ever take place willing to give up for life to find out what happened to Jim and she was crying and
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so we told her if you do that you know you're going to be dead Scott comes by there later on that
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evening he doesn't show up till 12 o'clock at night well he goes and knocks on Mary's door
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Marion said she didn't tell him her room number that she was a go to medium in the lobby when he came but for some
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reason he comes right to a door she looked out to people and there's Scott knocking on her door
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so then she says she starts fumbling around and asking acting like she's doing other things
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and uh tell him well go down Lobby and I'll be down in a minute I got to do some things
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and he said he kept telling her he wanted her to let him in he wanted to make sure he wanted to take her clothes
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off and check her and make sure she didn't have the wire on it and once she did that then each other you know how
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Jennifer would park foreign [Music] Scott Kimball is out of prison living under a new identity that was provided
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to him by the FBI now one of the first things that Scott did once he was out was to contact a woman named Leanne
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Emery Leanne is 24 years old and she's a veterinary assistant but more importantly to our story Leanne is the
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girlfriend of an inmate who was friends with Scott so as you can see from our first episode and already into this one
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Scott was very busy while he was in prison because while he was behind bars not only did Scott manage to and I'm
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using air quotes here discover Steve Ennis and Jennifer markham's supposed murder for higher plot Which Scott made
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up Scott also made friends with an inmate named Stephen Hawley so Stephen Hawley is a convicted bank
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robber he's serving a life sentence and because he's going to be in prison for the rest of his days he's got a really
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good idea Captain he's going to escape from prison one of these days now Stephen becomes buddies with Scott and
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he knows that Scott is going to be out soon so he tells his buddy Scott could you do me a favor once you get out I
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want you to get in contact with my girlfriend her name's Leanne and I want you to tell her the details of my prison
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escape plan that way she can meet up with me in Mexico once I'm out and once I'm free
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so in a letter to his girlfriend Stephen told Leanne to listen to Scott to trust
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him saying that he's a really great guy and he says I call this guy Hannibal so please call him Hannibal
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so Scott did he called Leanne he got in contact with her he introduced himself to her as Hannibal right this was might
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be the first indication that Scott Kimball fancied himself some sort of Hannibal
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lecter-esque type you know conniving scheming genius kind of dude now Scott wasn't interested in a friendship or a
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trusted advisor role with Leanne like he was asked to do by his friend Stephen nope just in typical Scott fashion he's
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going to take advantage of the situation so Scott swooped in and swept her off her feet he stole Leanne from Stephen
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to Leanne Scott but then he also tells Stephen that he could possibly get her a job as well no I believe he told that to
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her uh he may have told that to him I don't I don't know the circumstances of that
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what I believe he was charged with by his good friend convicted bank robber Stephen Hawley was simply to get in
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contact with her and say to her hey this is where we can meet up once I escape and when I escape to Leanne Scott
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presented himself as a tough guy who knew powerful people and who could get things done emails
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from Leanne to her cousin written in January of 2003 state that Hannibal is quote a major blessing in my life end
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quote Leanne well she was vulnerable she had bipolar disorder she was working as a stripper
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she had been in an abusive marriage before and then mind you at this time she's in a relationship with a convicted
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bank robber who's in prison Scott and Leanne were involved in a sexual relationship just within days of
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meeting and Leanne made vague references to criminal activity that Hannibal was involved in she said that he could have
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her killed if he wanted to she did not know how right she probably was in January this is on the 16th in 2003
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Leanne lied to her parents whom she lived with at the time she told them that she was going to Mexico on a cave
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exploration trip with some friends instead what was really going on Captain she left the area with Scott Kimball who
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she believes is Hannibal the two traveled through seven states mostly together but at times separately as
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Scott had to stop into Seattle on FBI business he must have instructed Leanne on how to get by using overdraft checks
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because Leanne wrote checks overdrawing her account by four thousand dollars during this time the trail bad checks
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shows that she traveled from Colorado and stopped in Wyoming Oregon Washington and Nevada before returning to Colorado
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and checking into a super eight motel in Grand Junction this on January 27th well wasn't she running up charges
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on her father's credit card as well yeah yeah she was and and she also bought a 40 caliber Firestar handgun at a pawn
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shop in Oregon along this uh this trip that she was taking we know that these means these the credit card charges and
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these checks they're possibly her we don't have 100 proof that she was doing this it could
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have been Scott doing this that's a very good point that's a very good point and
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here's something I wonder about too the purchase of this firearm if she in fact was the one that purchased it
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you wonder is this Scott Kimball that says hey we need to get a gun for our trip or you should
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have a gun and it's really going to be for him in some some form right because this at some point she could have said
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hey I'm going to go on this um adventure with friends and she takes off with Scott at some point it could turn into a
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hostage situation where he's going I have control of you now you're going to do everything I tell you to do well
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what's going to happen is really it's a bit of a mystery truthfully because on January 28th
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Scott told his FBI Handler this is Agent schlaf that we discussed in the last episode that he was going to go to
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California okay I'm going to California I'm going there to see my brother at this time Scott's phone goes offline for
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about 29 hours came back on at 1 13 a.m on January 30th now during the time that the phone was
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offline something else took place this is on January 29th Leanne Emery checked out of the Grand Junction Colorado Super
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8 Motel where she where she stayed that night right she was never seen alive again
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as soon thereafter her father Howard Emery got word that her car had been found abandoned in the state of Utah
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yeah not just a bandit it was pretty much like in the desert yeah and then in February of 2003 Howard started
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receiving letters from Leanne's incarcerated boyfriend Stephen Hawley in the letters Stephen
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told Howard that his daughter was in real trouble one of the letters read quote I don't fully understand what the
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hell she thought she was doing but I know she is way out of her League alarmed by these letters Howard checked
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on Leanne's paper trail to see where she had actually been and this is when he discovered all the bounce checks uh
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through multiple States right Howard took all of this to the FBI office in Denver where he was told that Stephen
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Hawley is a liar where you know we we don't we don't see that there's any kind of case or any needed investigation here
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because the man that you're speaking to the convicted bank robber serving life in prison he's a liar
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and you know how they know they just check to see if his pants are on fire that's a bad joke uh Happy St Patrick's
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Day the FBI refused to follow up as we said on this now this remained the case even after Howard met with Stephen
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Hawley in prison and this is where Holly told him that Leanne was with he believed he was she
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was with somebody that went by the name Hannibal so you have a little bit of a lead there but it's it's interesting
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that Scott Kimball was either just a just a stroke of luck here right or is it some kind of Brilliance that he
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already had this this other name that he was using in relation to Stephen Hawley
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it almost makes the trail go cold because there is no real Hannibal out there you wonder how much this could
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have been followed up on if if they would have taken the time to to do so now probably all at the same time or
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right around the same time captain that Scott was involved with this Leanne Emery Scott worked his charms on
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Jennifer Markham remember we spoke about her a little bit you'll recall that Jennifer was the girlfriend of Steve
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Ennis Scott's cellmate and the supposed co-conspirator in a murder a murder plot against drug dealer Jason
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price it seems that she was possibly an important witness as well in a federal drug case and that's why the FBI they
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let Scott out but remember he's out with the idea of here's your fake identity we
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need you to keep an eye on her and stop any possible murder plots that might be about to take place
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captain Scott Kimball may have been quite the ladies man I don't know or at least he's
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just very persuasive because by February 16th Jennifer Markham moved out of the temporary place that
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she was staying this was with the father of her child but this was not to be this
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doesn't sound to me like this was a long-term place that she was going to stay was just temporary right
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she moves out but she moves in with Scott Kimball okay so I know there's a lot going on
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here but in a very short period of time Scott Kimball gets out of prison gets a a new identity he befriends this Leanne
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Emery she goes missing at the end of January and already by what the second week of February he's getting involved
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at least to the point where Jennifer Markham is willing to move in with him and I think it may have been or it was some
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kind of like I said I don't think he has the slickness or the charm that maybe a
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Bundy did but he has this slickness and not a slickness but he has I think it more of
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a charm coming from like a a big brother or a a father figure yeah and the I guess if you were to
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compare the two my thoughts on that would be kind of a different scenario where Scott Kimball has to fool or trick
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a woman or anybody else for that matter kind of a little more long-term wacko Ted Bundy all he's trying to
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trying to get you to believe is maybe he broke his arm and you just got to get in
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his car or help him carry some books or something that's kind of a short-term uh
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uh thing but but yeah you're right he doesn't seem to have the uh sexual appeal oh God all right I didn't
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know I don't know what to call it happy St Patrick's Day um his parents weren't on fire but
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regardless she moves out of this place she goes to stay with Scott and I'm with you I think it's just to
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she may have been moving from one temporary housing situation to another right so
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Jennifer is a by all accounts a good mother um she worked as a stripper at Shotgun
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Willies this to it's just one of those situations sometimes you got to do what you got to do what her what her father
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says what he told Dateline was she worked a job she really didn't want to just to put food on the table for her
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her son for her child right Jennifer was also involved with a drug dealing felon
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as we know remember Steve Ennis who was in prison and was Scott's one-time cell mate
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this regardless of whatever happened she ends up moving in with Scott whatever the relationship is is not quite clear
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but he's telling her this guy is a just a bevy of lies and he's telling her that he owns a coffee cart business in
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uh Seattle and that he could get her what he's calling it you know I can get you a real
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job because I'm the owner of this little business yeah she did bring a bunch of furniture with
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her when she moved in uh the two plan to leave on a trip to Washington State on the 18th this was under the ruse that
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that Jennifer could learn how to manage the coffee business from Scott now on March 27th
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Jennifer markham's vehicle was found at the Denver International Airport where they were able to figure out
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that the car had been parked there since February 18th so you know I went to public school so
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what the math is here that but that's over a month right on your computer yeah let me let me type it in uh this is over
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a month but the other tricky thing here too is not only did the car sit at the Denver
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International Airport for all of this time there's no record of Jennifer having ever boarded a flight ever
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departing from the area on a plane right what is this car doing there why is it seemingly left abandoned there
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the FBI did impound the vehicle but it was not searched for months as far as records show her parents were not
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notified that the vehicle had been found until nearly about a year later yeah look if there's no evidence I'm not
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going to fault anybody for not searching the vehicle but the fact that you're not
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notifying her parents yeah and I understand that we have this whole concept that oh well they're
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adults they're allowed to go missing if they want to but it just seems like law enforcement's
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just going yeah well she was a stripper so you know what's more confusing does it matter well it doesn't matter if we
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tell our parents what's more confusing to me on that whole level Captain is I I guess I get not telling her parents but
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what we have here what we have here is we have an individual that you have let somebody out of prison to keep
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an eye on and her car is found abandoned at an airport and it's been there for over a month that seems like something
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to look into right you're hiding something if you're worth it yeah for somebody yeah or their but or they're
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hiding something and that's the other thing too you have to wonder what the FBI believed they were getting out of their
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preferential treatment of Scott Kimball because it's not really clear we we would later learn that he did wear a
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wire for them at least on one occasion he did manage to get some what what some may call
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semi-incriminating statements on tape in a conversation between Scott and Jennifer she did not solicit him or
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anyone else to to kill anyone but she did describe Jason Pierce who remembered the FBI believed this is the mark that
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this is the target Jason Pierce as a scumbag Who quote deserves to die Scott must have been dangling just
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enough information in front of them that this made the agents feel they were getting somewhere in this whole
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situation because they did continue to work with Scott now according to the Daily Camera Scott
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remained out of prison with the continual help of the federal government Scott's Handler at the FBI made repeated
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calls to a Montana prosecutor this to delay Scott's Court hearings in the 2001 escape and theft cases that he was still
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facing charges there in March of 2003 Scott signed a plea deal on the 2001 check fraud cases in
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Alaska Scott pled guilty to two counts of counterfeiting a check despite having essentially stolen thousands of dollars
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he agreed to continue cooperating with the government and in return prosecutors recommended that he get the shortest
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sentence possible at the sentencing in December of 2003 judge Marcia Krieger sentenced Scott to three years of
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supervised release even though this was technically his fifth felony conviction yeah it's ridiculous she recognized that
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he had cooperated with the government saying that the government points to at least three instances in which the
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defendant has provided substantial assistance in the investigation or prosecution of another person who is
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committed an offense the judge ordered Scott to pay Wells Fargo the bank 8287.94 in restitution
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judge Krieger did make a very truthful remark she said that Scott's Behavior smacks of an attitude of I'm happy to
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turn other people in but I don't want to be held fully accountable for my own behavior
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by the end of March 2003 it seemed that the FBI was really starting to question their informant on
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what was going on with his Target with Jennifer Markham of course they had no idea that she was
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missing they found the vehicle but nobody investigated the abandoned vehicle they also never received any information
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from the person Scott Campbell that they appointed to watch her that she was missing so Scott told agent schlaff that
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Jennifer had purchased a gun and then took a flight to New York to kill her Target Jason Pierce a member of Steve
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ennis's drug gang whom she and Steve were plotting to murder meanwhile Scott had to earn a living
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somehow now it looks like he had actually planned for all of this while he was still in prison making as many
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friends as possible who would trust him so he could betray them later once he's out at their expense one such Target was
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a nearly 70 year old doctor named John alderman John had also shared a cell with Scott
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in the pen during his stay in Colorado the doc was in for tax evasion when John was released he contacted Scott he's
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asking for help he needs things like you know I gotta set up somewhere to live and get my life back together now that
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I'm out he asked Scott to cash a check for him since his bank accounts had all been seized remember he's in for he was
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in for tax evasion yeah this check was for seven thousand three hundred dollars now he also asked Scott to pick up a
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trailer that John had lined up to live in well what do you think is going to happen here Captain bye bye money that's
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right Scott cashed the check and he picked up the trailer as requested and then stole all of it John never heard
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garage.com cheers mates cheers now in what continued to be a mind-boggling series of ill-advised decisions the FBI
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made its first documented payment to Scott Kimball this took place in May of 2003 they paid him 600 bucks again what
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services he was rendering exactly are not clear it seems that he must have been well he was committing a bunch of
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crimes so he's keeping them in business people around him are disappearing it I'm guessing captain that he was
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manufacturing information stringing the gullible agents along right then an arrest warrant was issued
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for Scott in the state of Washington for probation violations this is for failing
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to report to his po well that might have been the straw captain that broke the camel's back so
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to speak because it looks like ages left there's a lot of struggles mountain of straws
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that may have been the agent may have finally wised up because he did revoke Scott's status as a paid informant at
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this time and schlaf put in a request that the warrant be issued for Scott's arrest
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and so Scott was arrested in June of 2003 in Denver for the violation of parole he was in charge while he was out
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of watching over Jennifer Markham right so now that Scott is in custody the FBI wants to know where the hell is Jennifer
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Markham right he tells the FBI that Jennifer died at the hands of Jason price the drug dealer he says Jason price
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strangled her Scott said that he had even seen photos of the body saying that the photos depicted Jennifer tied up
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with tape on her mouth this was bad news for the FBI they're informant failed to inform them that this woman
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who he was supposed to watch for them a potential witness in a big drug case right a potential co-conspirator and a
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murder plot was in danger not only in danger I guess but now he's saying she's dead she was murdered the FBI wanted to
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know if they could trust Scott so they administered a polygraph exam and the statements that I have seen from
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the FBI says that Scott Kimball managed to pass the polygraph test wow that's surprising yeah yeah so then
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agent schlaf arranged for Scott to be released stating that Scott was a valuable asset
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who may be able to help determine where Jennifer's Body is located now Not only was Scott released after
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this arrest warrant was quashed he was reinstated as an official official FBI informant in
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mid-2003 fool me once shame on you fool me five thousand times five thousand times
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who who do we shame at this point everybody yeah everybody's shameful schlaf was completely snowed by Scott
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obviously which is ironic because the investigation into Scott Kimball his time as an FBI informant and
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his crimes that he committed or suspected of committing later would be called operation snowball because that
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story that crime that case just kept getting bigger and bigger now after Scott told him that Jennifer Markham was
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dead schlaff finally arranged for a search of her car remember we still have her vehicle yeah I remembered and and
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how many people right now are going what the what right yeah it's it's one thing if a
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criminal a con man a guy that's been doing this for years is able to maybe fool let's just say a naive young female
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or an average Joe or inmate or an inmate or the parents of a missing person or maybe even a local uh po right maybe two
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guys that sit in their garage and have a fake radio show right maybe the yeah that's what we have to go into next
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is how he he conned us out well I I some money I know what you're getting at Captain real quick before we get into
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that because I think that's that's very important that's key here and it's interesting it's it's head spinning but
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what you see in the actual paperwork is that the FBI clearly must believe that something sinister is going on here
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whether they believe it be the problem is they just don't believe that Scott Kimball is the one orchestrating any of
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this because the paperwork remember we said they're going to finally search the vehicle now that they found Jennifer
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markham's vehicle the affidavit in support of the search warrant request reads as follows the whereabouts of
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Jennifer Markham cannot be determined and there is probable cause to believe that she is the victim of a homicide now
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let's review really quickly here wait wait hold on here's the problem right yo you have this this female
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she is a stripper so and and whoever's eyes FBI's eyes for whatever reason that's a strike against
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her we also know that she's connected or has a boyfriend in jail that is a drug dealer
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so we know he's a piece of [ __ ] right and so I think when you have these individuals
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and most these individuals that Scott is given you a story he's saying well well this other
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Criminal killed her or I believe he killed her and so I think as far the reason why they're probably
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fooled is because everybody in the pot that they're looking at is essentially a criminal or has some ties to criminal
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activities well no I think you're you're you're spot on with with most of that I don't
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know I mean we could debate the stripper thing all day and night who knows but I
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think what we're seeing here is exactly what you're kind of getting to is the FBI seems to obviously believe that
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these other persons this this Jason price this uh the boyfriend that's still in prison right the Jennifer Markham
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who's now missing they must believe that these three are all bigger criminals much more criminals than this guy Scott
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Kimball who they have working for them and I think when they're pushed into a corner and they finally go all right
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well let's give them a polygraph let's see if maybe he is telling us the truth we just have nothing to work off of
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I get that he passed the polygraph and I get that that can really confuse you and
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and get you turned around there and maybe you believe him again which obviously they did because they they
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were going to handcuff him and then they decided not to that's just pretty and he's thinking and he's working again for
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them I think where I really call this thing into question is when they find her vehicle
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it's just it's even just Scott's actions right when they find her vehicle they want to know hey Scott where is this
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person why are we finding her vehicle and his explanation is well she purchased a gun she went off to New York
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City and she's going there to kill the guy remember I said when I was in prison that her and her boyfriend are working
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on this murder plot right she's actually going there to kill him but it's like the FBI should be like Yo dude why
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didn't you tell us that why did we have to come to you to find out that information you're supposed to be coming
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to us you're supposed to be watching her now you're telling us we can't find her
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because she went to New York City or to New York I just killed this guy and then
00:36:09
when he's arrested they go oh now we real this is just two months later right one two yeah he
00:36:19
they're going we really want to know where she is now and then then the story is the complete opposite oh Jason price
00:36:26
killed Jennifer Markham and so much so that I even saw pictures of the body and she was tied up and she had tape over
00:36:35
her mouth and again it's like why wouldn't you be okay dude why did why did we have to come to you to get this
00:36:42
information that is all you are in charge of is watching over this woman and now you fed us two stories one where
00:36:49
she's going to go kill somebody and you didn't let us know and two the other story is now she's been murdered and you
00:36:57
didn't let us know but I also wonder how much information is he feeding them that
00:37:02
is actually panning out I I think that's the problem is the when he passes that polygraph I I feel like
00:37:10
that's like uh wipes the Slate clean well like we like we always say if it was up to us
00:37:17
it you know we would advise somebody that if you're charged with a crime and they ask you to take a polygraph
00:37:24
there's nothing good that can come from it even if you pass it's not you can't use
00:37:31
that as evidence in a trial but in this case it's it's a lie detector administered by the FBI and he
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passes so anytime that somebody that in a case that we've covered take like the JonBenet Ramsey
00:37:49
case for example they pass a polygraph three times makes me wonder about the how much I
00:37:56
should put any weight into these polygraph test or again does this just show how
00:38:03
completely psycho this individual is that he probably believes everything he's saying
00:38:08
so let's put Scott's professional Antics on hold for a few minutes here and let's
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go back and revisit his personal life okay we have two women that were connected to Scott they are missing
00:38:24
that's Jennifer that's Leanne they went missing Scott now needs to fill this female void in
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his life so enter Lori McLeod she's 39 years old a divorced single mother Lori met Scott at Denver's Lodge casino
00:38:43
sometime around February of 2003. Scott was Wheeling his mother in a wheelchair up to the five-card poker table Scott
00:38:55
was very close with his with his mom Barb he doted on her and this must have appealed to Lori so Scott told Laurie
00:39:05
when you know they start talking exchanging phone numbers he tells her hey I'm an FBI agent and he's divorced
00:39:13
with two kids they apparently hit it off right away which is a lot different than
00:39:17
an FBI informant yeah completely complete completely different um and Lori says that Scott loved the
00:39:26
outdoors he loved camping and hunting and that he was a romantic he I guess he called her a lot in the
00:39:33
beginning paid a lot of attention to her brought her flowers and he always seemed
00:39:37
to have plenty of cash now Lori's 19 year old daughter Casey seems like she likes Scott as well this
00:39:46
according to Lori the three of them eventually moved in together living together in a suburb of Denver for a few
00:39:54
months but Casey the daughter had some problems okay at one point in her life she was
00:40:01
addicted to meth this was in the past though at this point on our timeline she is clean
00:40:08
yeah it seems like she had a little hiccup in her life and it wasn't she wasn't she's definitely going down
00:40:15
the wrong path and hanging out with the wrong people but it's for a short period
00:40:18
of time yeah and by this point Scott is very intertwined in Casey's life and gave Lori his girlfriend the impression
00:40:27
that he and Casey were not only very close but he's also like helping her through these troubled times right
00:40:35
but in May of 2003 Casey slips up again this time she's arrested for felony theft and forgery after admitting to
00:40:45
buying more than three thousand four hundred dollars worth of merchandise this using a stolen credit card
00:40:52
so now we have to go to August of 2003. this is when Scott shows Lori a glass vial of what she would later describe as
00:41:03
a rock a white rock crystal substance he said that it looked to him like he says this he found this this is
00:41:14
Casey's uh possession and then it looked to him like Casey is using again so of course mother confronts daughter
00:41:22
Lori confronts Casey and threatens to call the police and Casey decides she's going to take off
00:41:30
yeah but she also said before she took off hey I this is these are not my drugs right I am clean I've been clean hey by
00:41:38
the way give me a drug test if you don't believe me give me a drug test so so then her mom doesn't believe
00:41:45
her and doesn't leave her to the point where she doesn't even offer to let her prove her innocence
00:41:52
Scott says he's going to like try to help the situation and his idea is he's going to get Casey a room at a motel 6.
00:42:00
so she has some place to stay but it doesn't have to be with Mom and boyfriend right maybe a little space is
00:42:06
needed between the two so not only is Casey going to be staying there but this is also so her boyfriend
00:42:13
can stay there as well after a few days of this Arrangement her boyfriend Casey's boyfriend shows up at Lori's
00:42:22
house saying that Casey is gone he does not know where she is adding that the last time she that he saw Casey
00:42:31
she was leaving for her job at Subway right Scott mom's boyfriend was the one that was
00:42:38
supposed to be giving her a ride to work that evening he said the boyfriend said that Scott
00:42:44
showed up to pick her up in his pickup truck with the trailer on the back this is the trailer he stole from the doctor
00:42:52
he met in prison right records show that Casey never went to work that day so she if we're to believe the boyfriend
00:43:01
and these work records she disappeared sometime between leaving for work and her 6 PM shift that day at
00:43:09
Subway Scott tells Lori this is a big mistake and that he did not drive or never was
00:43:18
going to drive Casey to work that day because he was already busy he was out in the
00:43:24
mountains hunting that day alone he told Lori that he had called his contacts at the FBI to assist in helping
00:43:33
to find Casey well yeah because I went to try to talk to the cops and say hey our daughter's missing and the cops say
00:43:41
well she's an adult you can't file Mr person report so then Scott you know ever the hero yeah hey I will I'll get
00:43:51
to the bottom of this I have some contacts let me get some information so on August 31st this is eight days
00:43:58
after Casey went missing Lori and Scott get married in Vegas and they honeymooned in the mountains now
00:44:06
note special note here these are the same this is the same area where he said he was hunting eight days earlier right
00:44:14
now when they got back home there was some indication that Casey had been there while they were gone or at least
00:44:21
as far as Scott was concerned Scott pointed out these Possible little indicators to Lori showing her a gold
00:44:30
necklace looped over a doorknob this was the necklace Casey was believed to be wearing when she was last seen Scott
00:44:38
also pointed out a makeup box that was moved to a different location so he they come back home and he's pointing out
00:44:45
look it appears that someone has been here and it was probably Casey judging by this uh necklace I believe he also
00:44:53
told her that he he got some eyewitness account uh that somebody saw Casey yeah so so he he's just fabricating all this
00:45:03
stuff well and the difficult thing here too for Lori then becomes the the Christmas at
00:45:11
Christmas time Casey never comes home she never contacts Mom never contacts her biological father
00:45:18
and her parents Lori and Lori's ex-husband Rob they were really reduced to the idea at
00:45:25
this point that look the drugs had taken their daughter again she's off on a bender she's using
00:45:32
meth again and hopefully she'll come home when she either hits rock bottom or needs money or or something
00:45:40
but these months will turn into years Casey simply may just be gone now after they were married
00:45:50
Scott and Laurie wanted to start a business they moved to they moved to Adams County
00:45:57
um to start Faith Farms a beef wholesale business in July of 2004 there was a terrible
00:46:05
accident on the farm Scott's 10 year old son from his marriage to Larissa hence was playing when a 200 pound metal grate
00:46:17
fell on top of him now instead of waiting for an ambulance Scott picks up the boy his name's Justin puts
00:46:26
him in his Jeep and then takes off hightailing it to the the uh Hospital somehow along the way
00:46:36
Justin the boy falls out of the vehicle now when they finally arrived at the hospital
00:46:43
Justin is in very he's in very bad shape he had emergency surgery on his brain and skull his skull was fractured and he
00:46:53
went into a coma that lasted weeks Justin's recovery was slow and so because of this accident and because of
00:47:02
the recovery process Scott's 60 year old Uncle his name's Terry moved from Alabama to help take care of the
00:47:11
recuperating boy Terry moved in with Scott and Lori and worked with Scott in this beef business
00:47:20
that they have started up but then just like that Captain Uncle Terry boom poof he's gone right
00:47:29
Lori came home one day this is at the end of August and she said that she found her sofa sitting outside covered
00:47:38
in vomit Scott said that the vomit was from Uncle Terry's dogs that the dogs were sick and
00:47:45
Scott told Laurie Uncle Terry hit it big he won the lottery and he and the dogs and a stripper named Ginger took all of
00:47:56
the money and they left for Mexico okay this is a weird story in itself but what is even more weird Lori says that
00:48:06
all of Terry's stuff was still left behind in the guest room where he was staying it's like him the dogs in this
00:48:14
woman that she never met took off from Mexico and all of his stuff was still still there and but hold on what makes
00:48:22
it not so weird is that Uncle Terry actually did come into some money somehow so he had some money he would he
00:48:32
actually carried some money in a briefcase around with him and would talk about the you know this this stack of
00:48:38
money that he came into so I don't think it's when you know that somebody came into money and then you go
00:48:47
hey guess what he he not only did he come into some money but he won a bunch of money he won the lottery he and now
00:48:55
he's Beyond Rich yeah you're sitting there going oh okay that's where that money came from right well in October of
00:49:01
2004 Scott ventured further into the beef business starting Rocky Mountain all-natural beef with his brother Brett
00:49:10
and his mom Barb this was in Lafayette Colorado where Scott grew up Scott bought seed cattle for the business from
00:49:21
a livestock exchange using a check for eleven thousand six hundred Seventeen dollars and fifty cents
00:49:30
this check was under the name Terry Kimball AKA Uncle Terry the check bounced like a basketball but Scott had
00:49:41
already taken the cattle back to his Ranch and of course he did not give the livestock exchange
00:49:48
his real name or his address the livestock exchange filed a complaint against Terry Kimball with the
00:49:57
Department of Agriculture two months later but as we already said Terry Kimball was in Mexico with his dogs and
00:50:04
Ginger [Music] foreign [Music] do we have any recommended reading this week why yes we do there Captain this
00:50:22
week we are recommending this is actually one that we recommended oh probably a year or so ago but I'm
00:50:28
reading it again for the second time and he was such a good guest on the show I thought we got to recommend this one
00:50:33
again it's called in the name of the children and FBI agents Relentless pursuit of the nation's worst predators
00:50:41
and that is by Jeffrey reineck who was on our show quite some time ago 30-year career with the FBI was kind enough to
00:50:49
come on our show check that book out you don't have to write that title down now
00:50:54
just go to truecrimegarage.com click on the recommended page you'll find that great title there as well as many others
00:51:01
and if you'd like to get your computer shirt limited edition computer shirt make sure
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you click on the store Page and we'll see you next week very limited there's like four of them and until next
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week be good be kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause] [Music]