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you [Music] this week's True Crime Story involves one of the more terrifying murder scenes
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that we have covered the female victim makes a distress call from a remote isolated
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wooded area where she is alone her husband is on the other end when the calls abruptly cut off off the
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husband knows something terrible has happened he rushes to find her but it is too late by the time he gets to her she
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is in her death throws and the scene was bloody and chaotic someone had it in for this woman
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this was not a random crime but who knew where she would be that day in the Wisconsin
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woods and who would Target this middle-aged wife and mother she was an upstanding public servant with no known
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enemies this is true crime garage and this is the case of Kathy [Music] namoth I got
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you I got you it was October 12th 2002 in rural l laid County Wisconsin we have 43-year-old Kathy namoth who lived in
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Elo a tiny idyllic town of about 1,200 or so residents in the northern part of Wisconsin this is a Saturday now on this
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Saturday evening around 700 p.m. Kathy got into her car and drove to Lon Lake which is located about 25 Mi north of
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Antigo the county seat and it's about a 13in drive from downtown ELO Lon lake is
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in a very remote and unsettled area that is mostly used by hunters campers and Sumer cabin dwellers that's where Kathy
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was headed she is going there because her parents have a cabin on the lake but she's not going there to meet her
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parents because Kathy's parents had left the area for Florida earlier that day they intended to stay in Florida for
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several months of course to avoid the upcoming Wisconsin winter they had closed up their cabin for the season so
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around 700 p.m. Kathy decided to head out to the Lakehouse to clear out her parents freezer which had a big supply
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of frozen meat inside now unfortunately something terrible happened when she went up to her parents' cabin she was
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murdered up there and because she went there alone we are not left with a whole lot of definitive information about how
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it all went down but we can take an old look and see approach here captain so this whole scene seems to me to be
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like right out of Friday the 13th or some other horror movie featuring an isolated wooded cabin in the forest The
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Rustic cabin was located on Lon Lake Lane which winds its way through the dense woods around the lake turning into
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a dirt road houses there from my understanding appear to be very far or somewhat far apart and separated by
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large thickly wooded area so no neighbors are right next door to one another it was a rainy evening and Kathy
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drove up to the Lakehouse by herself and parked her car outside of the cabin it was after 700 p.m so in October you know
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anybody can check their phone that lives in the midwest it would be dark or nearly dark at this time looking at my
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phone right now Captain it's October 12th 19 years later and we're set for a sunset at 6:58 p.m. right so it would be
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dark or nearly dark by the time she arrives according to later reports Kathy did not make it inside the cabin the
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next thing that we know that happened was a radio transmission from her handheld EMT radio Okay so she goes and
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makes this trip by herself we know she arrives at the cabin she Parks outside for whatever reason we have
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investigators later telling us that we do not believe that she ever made it into the cabin and before she can get
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into the cabin she's going to use her EMT radio to make a call now Kathy was a well-respected senior EMT in Elo and was
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also employed on the ambulance Squad in town as well as the fire department she's quite busy with these two
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different jobs now because of her position she had a radio at her disposal and it sounds to me like she's carrying
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this thing most places if not everywhere that she goes on this day she's going to
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use it to call for help for herself or we can surise that right here is the very brief transmission that went out
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from Cathy's radio and it says this is 96 so that's her radio ID number there's a man with a raincoat and he's scruffy
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looking and and dot dot dot the transmission abruptly cut off so one more time captain that is this is 96
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there's a man with a raincoat and he's scruffy looking and the transmission cuts off all right
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a couple of things just to get one out of the way hello Wisconsin if you look up Lon Lake in Wisconsin it seems like
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there's multiple loon Lakes we're talking about the one that is 44 Acres it has a maximum depth of 13 ft
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according to articles about the case Kathy's abbreviated radio transmission went out to multiple authorities this is
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one of those instances that someone radios to a specific channel that is monitored by others in the same
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department or division so her transmission was apparently heard by several people now one of these people
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Captain will be Kathy's husband David namoth David namoth was the fire Chief in elcho so of course he had his radio
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on him as well and he heard his wife's message of seeing a scruffy man and then it cuts off and then several articles we
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found said that the transmission ended when the signal was lost so it's totally unclear to me whether this means that
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Kathy was attacked at that moment or something caused her to drop her radio right or whether for some reason the
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signal failed halfway through whatever she was trying to communicate to everyone else and the transmission
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dropped either way this spells disaster for Kathy remember she's alone out in this area now there may be other people
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at some of these cabins but if any of them are following her parents' lead they're packing up and leaving for the
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winter at some point may have already done so regard regardless of who else is up there who owns these cabins there's a
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good deal of distance from Cabin to cabin right and so again she might as well be all by herself according to
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sheriff stagger Kathy's tone of voice showed she was in danger David tried to radio back to his wife asking what was
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going on and there's no response on Kathy's end David accompanied by his son and Kathy's
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son Nick they jumped in the vehicle and drove to this cabin one of the things I think law enforcement is going to have
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to deal with in this case is that some of these cabins probably are rental cabins or there's probably campgrounds
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close by where somebody could just camp out for the night when they arrive on the scene they see Kathy lying on the
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ground and there's blood all over her she had been stabbed multiple times but she was still alive when they get there
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now David radioed for assistance telling the dispatcher that Kathy had at least five stab wounds that he could see
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including one to her neck saying that she is breathing semiconscious he told the dispatcher he said that he needed an
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ambulance right away now it's hard to imagine David and his son's anxiety and panic as they awaited the ambulance
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which had to come from at minimum 13 minutes away if it was stationed in the closest town of elcho
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wsaw news7 reported some important information on the case the station reported that David along with their son
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Nick found Kathy barely alive just moments after the attack David said he asked Kathy who the attacker was was and
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she said she did not know him shortly after this she died the article went on to say while calling for help Cathy
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described her attacker as being average height with a bushy beard wearing a raincoat we know this isn't entirely
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accurate as Cathy's radio transmission did not contain all of that information but perhaps the part about the average
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height in the beard were descript that she was able to give to her husband it's a little unclear where this information
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and how this information came from Kathy to whomever right after she's attacked but several years later we have wsaw
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that reported that Kathy was never asked about who had harmed her as she was near
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death when she was found so we really don't know what's true here from this statement we have the same news agency
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reporting two different things at different times in regards to the same situation right it seems like the only
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info we can really rely on as factual is what was in her original transmission or
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at least that's what I'm choosing to look at is what is factual in this case right with the transmission the radio
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transmission we have multiple ear Witnesses correct and again that the guy whoever this guy was was scruffy and
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wearing a rain Co so the average height thing again was that something she told to her husband and he later relays it to
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others what it sounds like from this additional report the later report from wsaw is that doesn't it kind of imply
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that she does not tell that to the ambulance Personnel or to EMT well like you said when the husband comes upon her
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if that part of the story is true hey who did this I don't know but then the description happens and then everybody
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else gets there and and then at some point she wouldn't be talking at that point yeah right able to communicate
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anything about the attack or her attacker at that time and I think that that's what we have to go with here
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Captain because what we do know is that once the ambulance arrived the EMT that was the first responder on the scene
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tells the dispatcher at that time that the victim was still conscious but barely
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so again I think you're spot on there with if she told anybody anything it would have been her husband who we know
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arrived at least 13 minutes before an ambulance could be on the scene Kathy made it to Marshfield hospital after
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being airlifted to the hospital but died soon thereafter the Lang laid Sheriff's
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Office led by Sheriff Dave stagger along with the Antigo police began a joint homicide investigation so obviously with
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the stab wounds and the radio transmission we know from Jump Street this is absolutely a homicide and we
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have two agencies looking into this case and investigating what went down there near the cabin at Lon Lake can we just
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take a second again to go over that description I know the description is in question whether she told that to her
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husband or not but can you just go over that real quick one more time okay so the radio transmission was this is 96
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there's a man with a raincoat and he's scruffy looking and and then it cuts off and then what that first news article
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States is that David says he asked Kathy who the attacker was and she said she did not know him right shortly after she
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died the article went on to say while calling for help Kathy described her attacker as being average height with a
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bushy beard wearing a raincoat again I hate to keep kind of spinning our tires on this thing here but the way that the
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wording is in the the report just does not seem to be anything of accuracy at all because it states while calling for
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help this is what she said when we when we know in fact the radio transmission heard by multiple ear Witnesses is none
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of them say that she said he's of average height right and it seems like something bizarre to say in that
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situation right if you're radioing to begin with that you're you're afraid or something wrong is happening does
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anybody go out of their way to say he's of average height yeah I think it's vernacular that she would use in her job
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so that's why it it's believable to me that she said it to somebody but also with eyewitnesses or ear Witness is
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people get things wrong so maybe three people heard it different and one of the three people or whoever heard her
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initial uh communication maybe one person heard that she actually said average height I could see that too I
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mean we have training that goes into these jobs these very important jobs and these are people that are thrown into
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situations that can be stressful chaotic maybe she just the training kicked in as you said and just goes right into
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terminology and things that she would describe the best that she can given the situation right now a little bit about
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Kathy nameth before we move too far into this investigation Kathy was really a normal hardworking woman she was 43
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years old at the time of her Murder She was a wife and a mother she lived with her husband and son Nick in Elo and was
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very involved with her job as a medical worker and EMT after her death her cooworker Jerry dos told wsa W7 news
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quote she loved her family she loved her children and her husband she was one of
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the most caring people I knew end quote her husband David told the station that her parents cabin was her favorite place
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on Earth it was Unthinkable that that was where she had been attacked and brutally slain says that we just
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couldn't believe it disbelief there were several people that were on the scene that day that had to go through a stress
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debriefing afterward because of the trauma and seeing what they experienced now on to the investigation and we have
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a quick statement from the Lang Lade County district attorney who said this is early on in the investigation Captain
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says we're not ruling anything out at this point I don't know that there's any anything that suggests that the public
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has to be terrified of a random attack but at the same time it's certainly a good idea to be on the alert this
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ambiguous statement wasn't particularly helpful as members of the public were frightened and of course they should be
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right Kathy namoth was attacked and murdered in an isolated but commonly visited and very safe recreational spot
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and no one seemed to have any idea a by whom or even why she was killed concerns
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about a deranged murderer lurking in the woods this is on people's minds and they're terrified right if you haven't
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already packed up your cabin and left for the winner now's a great time to get out of Dodge well a lot of these Lake
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communities there's not even much crime at all let alone a murder taking place correct and the weird radio transmission
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there's a man here he's scruffy looking wearing a raincoat now Kathy was tough and she did not go down without a
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fight we couldn't get a copy of the autopsy report but Sheriff stagger himself is on record commenting in
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regards to defensive wounds on her body saying it looked like the victim put up a fight there could be some scratches
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and bruises on the perpetrator this is what he told the media according to reports the autopsy concluded that no
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surprise Cathy had died from multiple stab wounds but it got even stranger and this next portion of the story was not
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reported until well after the homicide which is Bizarro to me but according to WS aw7 news evidence at the scene shows
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Kathy was chased through the property and she used whatever she could to fight off her killer but in the end multiple
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you I got you hello Wisconsin cheers everybody cheers to you Captain cheers to all the people in the
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back and the people in the back will be they will want to hear about this so I guess there is a Amy mahalic walk that
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is coming up Wednesday October 27th and that will be on the unfortunate anniversary of the day that she was
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abducted from my understanding Captain this starts at 5:00 p.m. at the Bay Village Middle School now we know that
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she went from the Middle School down to the shopping plaza and left with with her eventual killer from that shopping
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plaza the walk will be a short one it will be from the middle school and then to the plaza and then back where they
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will be placing a newly engraved stone at a memorial site so if anyone in the Bay Village area or surrounding areas
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please go out show your support for the mahalic family for Amy and for the community in general and join the walk
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for Amy if you want to double check on any of the details that I just tried to pass along here or want more information
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you can find that at walk4 am.org so what actually happened at the cabin it looks like police really are
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not quite sure what happened at the cabin that day they stated that all motives were on the table but they seem
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to have at least partially ruled out a Burg as investigators did not believe that
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the cabin was burglarized it appears that Kathy never even made it as far as getting into the
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cabin itself so to me Captain when I see that information it makes me wonder if you're saying hey we don't think that
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burglary was the motive here and we don't think that Kathy made it into the cabin there must be something indicating
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that neither the killer or Kathy made it into the C and this could be was it was the cabin
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still locked was it found locked or was nothing Disturbed or broken or out of place uh it could be any of these
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factors but what is also unclear is why authorities drew the conclusion that they overtly stated they
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did not believe that the attack was random that Kathy was a Target again bits of information coming out
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statements from the police but no no real evidence or nothing to tell us how they came to these conclusions and
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nothing backing up those conclusions themselves now one article we were able to dig up contains some facts that might
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explain why investigators believe that Kathy was specifically singled out for this violent murderous attack keep in
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mind we're talking about multiple stab wounds here people this is an up close and personal attack on Kathy Amoth
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here's a piece from wsa W news7 that ran October 15th 2002 so just 3 days after the homicide it
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says investigators say a killer waited in the cold and the dark outside an empty cabin to murder Kathy namoth
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namoth was attacked and stabbed outside her parents' empty cabin around 7 p.m. on that Saturday the cabin was closed
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for the season and namoth wasn't expect Ed that line has always confused me I've
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returned to that line from this news article many times and cannot figure out exactly what that is supposed to mean
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I'll repeat that line and continue on it says the cabin was closed for the season
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and nameth Kathy wasn't expected yeah hold on a second so we have isn't that confusing we have law enforcement saying
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that we think she was targeted but if she wasn't expected to be at the cabin how would that person t her exactly
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unless they were following her there but at the same time says a killer waited in
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the cold in the dark outside the empty cabin right meaning that they didn't follow her there that they were there
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all along do you feel like this is kind of taking like some kind of it could just be bad reporting though right it
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could be bad reporting and it could be like throwing in some creativity like rather than just giving us the facts
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that there's some kind of Storytelling angle to the story which I know that's what we do here in the garage but
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frankly I hate it when other people do it let us tell the stories I appreciate it when people stick to the facts man
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that's right okay so the article goes on to say that leads investigators to believe the killer wasn't someone who
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followed namoth in from town but rather someone who knew she was going out to the cabin that night it's such a
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contradictory statement right someone that knew she was going out to the the cabin that night but namoth wasn't
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expected again it could just be bad reporting or bad wording as far as that goes this all begs the question whether
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someone had in fact drove to the cabin and waited for Kathy's arrival if so did the killer Park his
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vehicle somewhere hidden had he left tire tracks that police were able to find why were they so sure someone was
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waiting there for her and who knew that she was heading up to the cabin that evening right it doesn't seem to me like
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you're going to have a whole long list of people that would have known that she was going to the cabin now maybe when
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they say Kathy namoth wasn't expected means this isn't something that she planned out the day before or a week in
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advance or anything like that anything prior maybe it was more of oh Mom and dad called me said they've left the
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cabin or were leaving the cabin I don't have anything to do this evening or I have some free time this evening tonight
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would be a convenient time for me to go but again it goes back to if you are thinking that she's targeted and you
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said that statement to the public I can't believe that that list of people that would have known that she
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would be going to the cabin would be very long at all so it could only have been someone she told of her plan
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again based off of the police Theory because it does not sound from this report as though someone followed her
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rather someone anticipated her arrival and as we said it was someone she did not know that's her words she did not
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know her attacker or did not recognize them based off of the excerpt from her radio transmission if she knew that it
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was John or Charlie or Bill or Bob wouldn't she say on the radio hey Bill's up here Charlie's up here no she says
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there's a man up here wearing a raincoat and he's scruffy looking but maybe what
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they mean by all this is that a killer was in the area 44 acre Lake that's not that big of a
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lake right and if you look at Lon Lake Lane the road that the cabin was off of right it's pretty much one way in and
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one way out unless you're going to go off-roading it's one way in and one way out so even though there's people that
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are staying there or are packing up for the winner so again she's not expected to be there but this killer is there
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maybe looking for a victim yeah and that makes you wonder if could there have been somebody else that has reason to be
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there like another cabin owner or somebody that has reason to be there that says you know at 5 or 5:30 I saw a
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vehicle that I've never seen in this area before it was a man driving and he was kind of scruffy looking but that's
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the best the best of the of my recollection of what I have and we do know right one fact we do know is when
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Kathy approximately arrives at the cabin so if we have somebody telling police behind closed doors some kind of
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statement like this that has not reached our earballs yet then we can assume that that's what
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they're building this Theory off of that we have someone who reported a similar looking individual as vague as that
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description is but arriving in the area well before we know Kathy to have been there I mean they're not stating it's a
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yellow raincoat but I wonder if it's something that's so blatantly obvious like you said a neighbor sees somebody
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walking around their property and says well I saw a man in a raincoat the other thing too you also have to wonder about
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if he is waiting there to Ambush Kathy when she arrives how does one individual know
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which cabin belongs to Kathy's parents yeah good point there's other cabins to choose from there I'm imagining that
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they don't look too drastically different or at least the plots of land would look too crazy different I mean
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we're talking about Woods here now this is where we're going to take a a sharp left here all right are you buckled in
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there Captain mhm a few days after the murder police said they were looking for a man who was believed to have been the
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last person to see Kathy this was a guy who had seen Kathy at the ELO laundry mat two friends of
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Cathy said that they saw her at the laundry mat that Saturday afternoon and they also saw some guy there doing his
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laundry they described this guy and his truck to police who were able to track him down it turned out that he was just
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a guy who was doing his laundry at the laundry mat that Saturday apparently he says he does his laundry every Saturday
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at that same laundry map and he happened to be there at the same time as Kathy so
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it looks like police get this lead from her friends they are able to track down this guy even though we don't have his
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name and must have determined that he didn't have anything to do with her homicide probably didn't have anything
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to do with really Kathy at all that they just happen to be at the same laundry mat on the day that she is later
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murdered well is it possible that she was doing laundry and was like a this guy's a little strange mention that to
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our friends and then that's how they tracked him down or why they decided to track him down or he may have come
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forward they say that they're looking for an individual we don't know who he is but we do have the description of his
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vehicle so we're not talking about an area where there's a ton of people right so they may have been able to just check
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some driver's licenses some vehicle registrations and get a short list of individuals that owned a truck with that
00:35:44
type of description the investigation continued following the typical protocols police canvased the area near
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the cabin and spoke to Residents to see if they had seen anything strange had anything to report at all on October
00:36:00
17th so this is 5 days after the homicide Sheriff stagger told the Wasa heral that we've talked to probably
00:36:09
everybody that lives in Elo by now so we have eliminated some possible suspects and we're continuing to do that they
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traced Cathy's last movements which is what led them to the laundry mat guy and they dug into Kathy's life which
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revealed something intriguing that we will get to in a minute now police hinted around a
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couple times about having a few suspects and you can see that based off of just that last statement that we relay to you
00:36:41
but it's not really clear whether this is actually true or not right that we have a few suspects we're
00:36:48
not naming anybody we're not saying why these people would be suspects so it's not clear if that's actually true or
00:36:56
just how viable these suspects or likely these suspects would be but it sounds like
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they feel confident that they've spoke to everybody and may even have cleared some people at this point in the early
00:37:09
stages of their investigation well I know that her husband went up there with their son but where was his whereabouts
00:37:19
before that when he actually heard her transmission well and that's very interesting right because if you are
00:37:26
look we there's no getting around it you got to look at the husband you got to look at the boyfriend in all of these
00:37:32
cases could it be something as simple as he set her up that this could be some kind of hit that he purposely was
00:37:42
putting himself in a different location when this went down and how many times have we reviewed cases and the other
00:37:50
person you look at is who finds the body so kind of a double whammy here but whammy again again how we go back to how
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many people would have known that she would have been here if if in fact this is not a random murder mhm if in fact
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that there wasn't some Maniac lurking in the woods with a knife and a raincoat then how many people would have
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known that she was going there around 700 p.m. on that Saturday and early October and and known that this was a
00:38:23
good opportunity to do whatever it was they intended to do right you would also have to know that that you're not going
00:38:30
to have to be to to come across her parents or other people and again how do you discern their cabin from everybody
00:38:37
else's well and you said too it didn't take long for her husband to get there so I'm assuming the cabin's not that far
00:38:45
from her actual house my issue with that becomes if there is any infidelity in that relationship well when the
00:38:54
grandparents aren't there you have a pretty easy getaway you don't have to rent a room at a hotel or go to the
00:39:02
person's house we can just sneak off to the cabin makes me wonder is that a possibility as well well I was going to
00:39:10
save this for later but because of of your your questions and comments I think it would be it would be right to
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introduce and kind of examine this now before we move too far along another thing that's kind of unclear here
00:39:26
Captain is really the timing of the whole day once we involve not just Kathy of course but David her husband and her
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son Nick so it's unclear to me the timing on the distress call and the husband's arrival because it's been
00:39:46
reported multiple times but it's really all over the shop it's all over the place one article says that David and
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Nick arrived minutes after the attack which you know we've talked about this on this show before you you use the
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words minutes or moments or soon after it doesn't really give an exact definitive time of the distance you know
00:40:11
the the lapse of time between one act and the other and so it gets a little hazy just using those words in general
00:40:21
but we have that one article that says David and Nick arrived minutes after the attack which makes no sense given how
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remote this area was and then several articles say that she radioed at 7:38 p.m. one article says that David arrived
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at 7:44 p.m. one article says that David arrived 32 minutes after Kathy radioed so it seems to me that there had to be
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there has to be a lag of time between her radio distress call right in the time that David arrived 7:38 seems to be
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the the most reported time of that distress call she arrives sometime after 700 p.m. at the cabin she's attacked or
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is aware that she's in danger enough to make that distress call and then David and Nick arrived to offer help or to
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find their mother and wife maybe they arrived at 7:38 p.m. and that's where we're getting we're getting these times
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from but it is unclear I want to make sure that we are clear about how unclear it is on the exact timing of a the
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distress call and B husband David's arrival to find his wife unfortunately lying there covered in blood in the
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woods yeah clear that they're unclear now 3 months after the murder the waaw daily heral reported that the case had
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stalled so we're roughly 90 days in and they're kind of hinting at that this thing is starting to get chilly starting
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to get a little cold MH this was kind of surprising because as it turns out there
00:42:05
were some there was some physical evidence from the crime scene as you recall Kathy had defensive wounds that
00:42:13
led investigators to believe that she had scratched her as salent put up some kind of fight perhaps she even drew
00:42:19
blood from the killer presumably labex would have been able to obtain the perpetrator's DNA from Kathy and then we
00:42:29
find out that they did have the knife they had the knife that is responsible for her murder apparently a knife was
00:42:36
found at the scene investigators sent that knife and some unspecified items of clothing and blood samples to a state
00:42:46
crime lab for analysis and at this time even though we're hearing these rumors that the case is going cold seems like
00:42:54
there's a lot going on under the surface here they were waiting for results uh in this case and this is now
00:43:02
January of 2003 that they have this information they' sent it off to the lab and we're
00:43:08
waiting for the results but there was other big news to hit the headlines in regards to Kathy's murder one of the
00:43:17
Articles was titled ELO a buzz over killing and of course they're talking about Cathy's murder this was because
00:43:24
there were reports that investigators were looking into whether Kathy's murder was related to a local political Scandal
00:43:32
what happened was Kathy and her husband David had been just two of several fire department employees I want to be clear
00:43:40
about that there were multiple people involved in this situation not just Kathy and David but these were fire
00:43:47
department employees who served on the ELO fire department executive board and along with three other employees the
00:43:56
namoth shared control of a bank account containing funds belonging to the ELO fire department so just five days just
00:44:06
five days before Kathy was killed Town leaders dissolved the fire department's executive board and you only do that
00:44:15
when they're up to no good right the board was responsible for Appropriations among other things so they're in charge
00:44:23
of these funds in this bank account Kathy David assistant fire chief Bob Jensen and two others were essentially
00:44:33
removed from a position of authority at the fire department and from having access to the Department's bank account
00:44:42
this was as a result of assistant fire chief Bob Jensen bringing to the attention to the town board some months
00:44:51
earlier that money was disappearing from the account so someone was embezzling the fire department's funds and had been
00:45:00
for some time and in connection with all of this David namoth was suspended as fire chief suspended with pay on October
00:45:12
7th assistant chief Jensen The Whistleblower was appointed interim Chief and all the fire department
00:45:20
records were seized as the investigation into the embezzlement got underway well
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if has connections to the account is it possible that an individual realize that
00:45:34
she might hold the answers somehow and that would jeopardize this person's career and and maybe even freedom and
00:45:44
that that would be a reason to get rid of Kathy yes this is going to call all kinds of things into question here in
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