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[Music] [Music] on June 28 2015 Dr Teresa Seavers flew home from Connecticut to her home in
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Florida without her husband Mark and their two daughters the following morning on June 29th she was found
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brutally murdered bludgeoned to death inside her home now on July 6th just a little over a week into the
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investigation of the death of Teresa Sievers there is finally a little bit of good news at least for those in the area
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of the Sievers home this is when Sheriff Mike Scott told a local reporter quote I
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am like you or anyone else I want a killer Behind Bars we are working tirelessly Scott said all hands are on
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Deck here literally he went on to say it's a very complicated case there are details I
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wish I could share but I cannot I take a little bit of comfort knowing it's not random or arbitrary Scott said
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of the murder he says his investigators have processed hundreds of pieces of evidence from inside the home and
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elsewhere including from cell phone and computer records from the home and from the office he also said that he believes
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everything that they have in this case and he States it's a lot gives him comfort in saying that this is
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not a random murder this is not arbitrary there are connections that will continue to develop
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when asked about whether people should be concerned about a killer still on the streets he said this the the good news
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with homicide is generally speaking random murder is not the case generally speaking there are connections I think
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that's the case that will play out here as well two months after the murders take place the arrest will be made yes
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these are some new suspects that we've not even spoken about yet captain and this was taken from the Florida Today
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newspaper from August 27 2015. the headline the Lee County Sheriff's Office announced an arrest in the murder of a
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well-known Estero doctor during a press conference Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said they apprehended
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Jimmy Rogers for the killing of Dr Teresa Sievers who was found dead in her Bonita Springs home in late June
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details were not provided on the arrest or how investigators made the connection
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between Sievers and Rogers Scott declined to take any questions the spokesman for the Sheriff's Office could
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not provide an exact spelling of the arrest man's name the Sheriff's Office issued an arrest warrant for Rogers on a
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charge of second-degree murder according to a federal arrest warrant Lee Detective Mike Downs contacted a federal
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probation agent Monday that Rogers was in the Walmart on Six Mile Cypress Parkway the day before the
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murder which is a violation of Jimmy Rogers probation Sievers was killed nearly two months ago on June 29th Scott
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called siever's case very much an ongoing and active investigation and said the homicide is a most complicated
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set of circumstances Scott said the FBI and the state attorney's office are involved in the
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case now one thing that I there's several Shockers here in my opinion that are not included in the Florida Today
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article that we just read first Jimmy Rogers is and was living in Jefferson County Missouri both
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at the time of Theresa siever's you know death when she was killed and months later when he is later arrested which is
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what roughly uh 1100 miles or so away the other thing too that we've already brought up nobody nope we've not spoke
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about this guy but that's because nobody knows who this guy is not Teresa's family not the people at her office not
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the neighbors that were so concerned that a Madman was on the loose then later that day another bombshell there's
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a second arrest is made and this is Curtis Wainwright was arrested he too in Jefferson County Missouri but there's
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there's one big difference here with Curtis Wainwright a lot of people know who Curtis Wainwright is right yeah
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but the the weird thing is when they show his picture like you know you're reading an article
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normally and there's some picture that goes with the article yeah like most people stop reading the article because
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this guy looks exactly exactly like Mark Sievers yeah so does to describe Mark Sievers for you would
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be the same way of describing Curtis Wainwright he's they're they're men who shave their heads they have glasses and
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it appears to be damn near identical glasses uh prescription glasses that they wear and they both have goatees
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and they have a similar build too yeah I've heard people say that they they they look like twins but the the crazy
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thing to me is and we should Curtis Wayne Right he goes by Wayne so just to you know smooth it out a little bit
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we'll call him Wainwright from this point on so we have Jimmy and Wayne Jimmy Rogers and Wayne Wright yes and
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they're both arrested in Missouri correct nobody 1100 miles away the difference between Jimmy and Wayne is
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that Wayne is best friends with Mark Sievers yes he's he's not only best friends with Mark Sievers he also works
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for uh Loosely works for Teresa and Mark Seavers as well he's a computer I.T guy
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he went to college for a computer and he he was the guy that set up the computers
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at the Dr Teresa's office and he would he monitored them he would um I love when we talk about computers
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because I just I don't have any words no words come out right but it's because you know the subject so well that it's
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hard for you to explain it to delayment to us you know the layperson yes Mortals
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if the computer system went down he would fix it he he made sure that the computers kept up and running at the
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doctor's office okay the two are also uh not just best friends but they've been best friends
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since almost their childhood right you know so even Mark siever's family is where well
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aware of Wayne Wright now what's the connection how do you connect these two guys from Missouri to the
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death of Teresa Sievers well we have them both on camera at a Walmart that's less than six miles away
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the day before or the day of it would well would have been the Sunday it would be yeah on Sunday the 28th now
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so in building the case and I'm a little unclear as to how exactly the police got
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to Jimmy Rogers and Wayne Wright one thing I found but I could not verify this to be 100 accurate so take this for
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what you will it it sounds to me like these two jokers well they talked a lot they talked a lot
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about going to Florida beforehand and they talked about having been to Florida when they got back one of the two I
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believe it was Rogers even texted someone or had a phone call with someone while he was in Florida someone from his
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work had contacted him asking if he could come into work but he says he can't because he's still in Florida
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now mind you this is at a time that that would have put the two in the State of Florida like the captain said when
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Teresa Sievers was killed roughly so I've seen it suggested maybe even reported uh I I have it in my notes but
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again I cannot confirm the crazy thing about this case captain there you know there is a lot out there
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and I know you thought of thought this too there's a lot of information on this case out there there's a lot of good
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information too uh so there was not a whole lot of time spent hunting for info on this case there was just so much
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reading and uh so much to consume and think about because you know the thing is I want to remind
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you of what the lead detective on this case said and I think he is exactly right when he described this case as a
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most complicated set of circumstances because it truly is right but this part of the case isn't
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that complicated we have two individuals that traveled over 1100 miles we have them within a 10 mile radius of the
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murder taking place we now have one of the Vic or one of the suspects Wayne has a direct connection with the murdered
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victim worked for her was best friends with her husband and we have uh probably evidence at the
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scene fingerprints and things of that nature we also have a list of what they bought
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at the Walmart we have phone records we have text records that they were in Florida we have Jimmy talking with his
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girlfriend at the time about being in Florida and we also have the murder weapon that was right by the victim well
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okay so let's get into this a little bit I and I'm trying to piece together how they got to these two individuals I
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think that it's possible that they may have been contacted by somebody that knew one of them either Jimmy Rogers or
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Wainwright as I stated they were telling people that they were going to Florida they were telling people that they had
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just been to Florida right so by now we have both of these douche canoes in jail
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both have had their trailer homes raided at this point the police even got information from Jimmy Rogers girlfriend
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that's right one of the suspects his girlfriend confesses to deputies that she knows exactly what happened this is
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Taylor Shoemaker rogers's girlfriend tells detectives about his trip to Florida Taylor is going to relay a story to the
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police but we have to keep in mind here that she has already been questioned by police before she gets into this this
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questioning room here she was questioned by police this was in front of Jimmy Rogers so later the two of them Jimmy
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Rogers and Taylor Shoemaker are having a conversation she's going to relay this conversation
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to police she said during this conversation she said quote he referring to Rogers started asking me like what do
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I know about it I'm like well I know you went down there to kill somebody and then he said yeah
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she goes on stating I asked him what he went down there for and he said to make money and then I asked him how does he
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make money he said murdering Mark's wife then Shoemaker recounts how Rogers then
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laughed when explaining how he had killed Teresa Taylor told the police quote I said did
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you shoot her and he said no and I said then how did you kill her then he made this stupid little chuckle that he does
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and then he said with a hammer she also told detectives that Teresa's own husband Mark Sievers hired Wayne Wright
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to kill his wife she says suspect Curtis Wainwright then hired Jimmy to help out
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to help out without Mark's knowledge Taylor told police the hammer well that was his weapon of choice
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because quote everybody calls him Jimmy the hammer all of his friends back home yeah but nobody calls him the hammer he
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calls himself the hammer like on his Facebook or his Myspace or something he was Jimmy the hammer Rogers right okay
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but he he made it up himself and and it was like one of those names that would be like you know your friend coming
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hanging out on the garage saying hey call me the hammer and everybody else was like yeah we're not doing that we're
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not doing that [ __ ] but yeah and then he then Jimmy goes on to say that I believe
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that Wayne tried to hit uh Teresa first and then he ended up taking the hammer from
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um Wayne and and doing it himself yeah so Taylor Shoemaker she says that when the police were questioning her and and
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Rogers together that that's when she knew something bad had happened when he went to Florida but
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she also like threw out some items some gloves and like a shirt from yeah their truck yeah
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and that actually happened after the police spoke with the two of them now when they spoke with the two of them it
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was a very loose kind of casual interaction it wasn't like they brought them in for questioning and separated
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them and did all that jazz no this was just they went to a place where they both were could have been one of their
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homes or their home that they were sharing I don't know but they they just kind of sat down asked where you were
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what were you doing these things here's uh how I handled that questioning right interrogation right
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you be you be Jimmy okay okay I'll go Jimmy Rogers yes sir can I call you the hammer
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that's what everybody calls me and then I just call him Hammer the whole time well that's how that would work what
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happens is after they get this kind of casual interaction with the police that's when Jimmy Rogers gets in the car
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with his girlfriend and says you know they drive out into the country and I think it was near
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either his parents his mother's home or her mother's home I'm a bit uncertain of
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this but they're driving out some peaches they're driving out on uh some country road and he's instructing her to
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throw some items out of the the vehicle right these end up being clothing items which she does later lead the police to
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these items and and they're all recovered exactly where she said they would be recovered from
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yeah and so it's kind of weird because you when you watch then not the interrogation but then questioning with
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her you do feel bad for her because sometimes the police are like well why did you do that
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she's like well I'm I'm riding in a truck with somebody that I think just murdered somebody he didn't even know
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with a hammer she was afraid of him very obviously afraid of him and um she probably was
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you know it's to me when when I hear her speak and I read her words it's like when when the police showed up to ask
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some questions kind of randomly this would have been out of the blue to her you know what I mean this would not be
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something she was expecting it was like a light went off for her during that kind of questioning like
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holy crap this guy has done something right but mind you he broke his probation going to Florida anyways so we
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know that he was convicted of something before he was in jail that's how Jimmy and Wayne met each
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other was in jail so when she's dating him you know she probably was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt he was
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the one to prison maybe he's changed you know everybody in there is innocent right well right but what I'm saying is
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no I'm sure there's a couple that are like yeah I did it whatever uh Joseph Metheny yeah
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yeah I I did it and I did a lot of other stuff I cook and cooked them up and put
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them in hamburgers my point is that she's dating this guy she's probably trying to give him the
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benefit of the doubt that he you know made some mistakes and now he's trying to change his life but once this starts
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coming out you're going well he he didn't change his life and now you'd be scared you know what and here's this is
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a little off the subject here Captain but one thing that I I cannot stand and I know he's he's a bad dude so it's
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easy not to like him Jimmy Rogers dick knows but I cannot stand people that give themselves their own nickname
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that look what thanks a lot I did it for I did I did it to protect myself I forgot I was speaking with the person
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like I was trying to teach kids you gave yourself an alias that's different you gave yourself an alias let me tell you
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about this there's one guy I used to work with the first time I worked with him the first day he goes
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um You can call me cricket and I said okay he tells informs me everybody calls him
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cricket and I said okay well what's the significance how did you get that nickname
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he says back when I was in high school there was a kid that used to sit next to me in class
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and all the kids called him cricket and I really liked that so I gave myself that nickname right after I graduated
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high school very awesome okay so very creative let me tell you here's one thing I think we should do Captain
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because we're able to piece together a very good uh timeline regarding what we can what we know happened because this
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is what the police can later prove happen during this whole circumstances and I think the waters might be a little
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murky at this point so I think we should go through this clear-cut timeline to lay out what happened because there's
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other suspicions involved here we have this Taylor Shoemaker stating that Jimmy was hired by Wayne who was hired by Mark
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Sievers right well Wayne and Jimmy are arrested Mark sivers is not arrested he's still living at his home with his
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daughters and in some fashion still running the the doctor's office right but mind you this is pure
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speculation because this is just what Jimmy told her and we we don't know but what we do have is we have Jimmy and
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Wayne now in the custody of law enforcement so it it took a lot to get here but what really happened what can
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the police tell us that happened and what are they going to try to prove so this is a pretty comprehensive timeline
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so if you're a loss this will fill you in so if you don't pay any attention to anything else we say pay attention here
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right so in December of 2010 Curtis Wayne Wright was arrested from the discovery of methamphetamine lab he
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serves time and is later released while serving time he meets this guy named Jimmy Rogers Rogers was a petty criminal
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for most of his life but before you know before being arrested for a weapons charge which was a much more serious
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charge in September of 2014 Jimmy Rogers is released from federal prison in May of 2015
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Curtis Wainwright marries he gets married and at the and the wedding takes place in Missouri now this
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is important not only because it's shocking that anyone would marry Wayne Wright but some have speculated that
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this is where some of the planning for the eventual murder might have happened because at Wayne Wright's wedding Mark
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Sievers he was he the best man at this wedding Captain he believes he was in the the Grooms you know at least a
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groomsmen so Mark's there he's at Wayne's wedding but so is Jimmy Jimmy Rogers is a guest at this wedding the
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hammer now it's uncertain it's not clear if the two actually met or interacted during this time but it puts all three
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of these these guys in the same place at the same time and it's my understanding that Teresa
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Seavers Mark's wife was not present at this wedding right then that takes us to June 26th this is
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just two days before the attack June 26 2015 Jimmy Rogers worked from 9 00 a.m to 6 p.m that day and then he was
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scheduled to be off until June 30th so a short time after leaving work which he was telling everybody at work he was
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going down to help his cousin with something in Florida it's weird because he he had told multiple different
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stories about why he was going to Florida and it's almost like he's bragging about this trip you you'd
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mentioned the thing about the cousin he also said something about um uh he was going down there to work a
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job that was going to pay him quite a bit of money then there's this thing about visiting somebody and it was an
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all expenses paid trip so yeah he he had a few things that he threw out there to
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people yeah Captain dick knows yeah so sometime after leaving work on that day on the 26th he meets up with Wainwright
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and the two of them depart for oh here's another story they rent a car right but they depart
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for what he told Jimmy Rogers told his girlfriend would be a ten thousand dollar weekend job he doesn't tell her
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what the job is so as you stated Wayne Wright rented a vehicle in his hometown the
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vehicle was complete with a GPS system now police were later able to determine that the vehicle rented by Wainwright on
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the weekend Teresa Sievers was killed that somebody had typed Teresa siever's address into uh into that GPS system
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routing out a map to her murder got him yeah so if that's not enough evidence so
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then to get down to Florida and they get down there on a Sunday and I believe they arrive at their
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destination the Seavers house and then guess what they type into their GPS some coordinates to the local Walmart
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well I I there's some stuff I want to get into before we go go to that all right let's get into that right after
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this quick beer break [Music] [Music] foreign all right we're back you Rowdy bastards and we were just
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talking about Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers renting a vehicle and then according to the GPS making their way to
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Florida just two days before Teresa Sievers was killed now this is the thing I wanted to bring up Captain was this
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and this is where I think things can get a little scary or at least weird for reasons that we will explain later but
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on the on the morning of Sunday June 28th the Sievers home security system their home alarm system is deactivated
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at 609 a.m okay now the reason why this is strange is because Bonnie Sievers Mark siever's mother she's not coming
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over to the house until after eight o'clock to take care of the dogs right so we could assume this is Wayne and
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Jimmy deactivating the alarm yeah they they go to the Sievers home and they have no trouble getting into
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the home and then they deactivate the alarm right but now if Wayne is their I.T guy for computers and phones and
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stuff like that he might be their I.T guy for their alarm system as well he might know the code he could have set up
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the alarm system he could have even installed the garage door opener that you punch the code into to open up the
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garage possible this would put him in give him access to the home without even having a key to the front door
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so after the Sievers home alarm system is deactivated at 609 am on June 28th then later we have Wayne Wright and
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Jimmy Rogers they're spotted at a Walmart on Six Mile Cypress Parkway in Fort Myers Florida this is roughly about
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20 miles far from Teresa seaver's home yeah they're they're actually on video footage yeah you see them standing
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together and while they're there they're going to pick up some items and one of those
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items is going to be a hammer rubber boots they also purchased some trash bags and
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a lock pit lock pick set basically a murder kit yeah they they did purchase some other items while they were there
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but those are the ones that stand out well at approximately 8 10 a.m that morning the Sievers home security alarm
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system is now reactivated now during the day Mark sivers speaks to his mother telling her to telling her to leave the
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home alarm system off because remember she tells Mark when they have their conversation look I'm having some
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trouble with the alarm system right and that's because it was already like because it was already shut off by
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Wayne and Jimmy yeah so you know most of these alarm systems you either you type
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in the code and you hit press one to turn it on or two to turn it off one let's just assume that um Mark's mother
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didn't go to school for computer and so she's going up to alarm system right if alarm system is on I put in my code
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right and then it goes alarm off but if the alarm is off and I go up to it and go let me put in my code
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it doesn't do anything so when it didn't do anything she probably thought what the hell am I doing wrong or
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there's a chance that she turned it on but here's what I here's what I think happened because the words that the
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police use are deactivated and reactivated okay so she turned it back on yeah put it in the code yeah so what
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would have happened in that circumstance Captain is that when she left the day before after leaving the house she
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turned on the alarm then somebody showed up unbeknownst to her at the home and deactivated the alarm before she
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returned Jimmy and Wayne yeah so when she returns to the house she thinks she's turning off the alarm when in fact
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she's turning it back on and so therefore probably uh when when she would go to leave you know there's she's
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said they've hijacked the the system that's supposed to be running it's supposed to be on
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when she returns however it's not so I didn't do a great job of explaining that but I think you get what we're going
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with that so his he tells his mom look if you're having trouble with the alarm don't
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bother with it because after you let the dogs out later today my wife Teresa she's coming home that
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night so it's not like the house is not going to be monitored for very long before she returns right plus there's
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two people sent to murder her well in this at 4 13 pm on that Sunday Bonnie Sievers leaves the home the Sievers home
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for the final time and as instructed she does not turn on the alarm sometime after Bonnie leaves Wayne Wright and
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Jimmy Rogers return to the Sievers residence they lay and wait there for Teresa to return
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at 10 pm Dr Teresa Sievers her plane touches down in Southwest Florida International she then calls Mark her
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husband to tell him that she arrived safely at 10 55 PM Dr Seaver Sievers leaves the
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airport driving the family's blue van and goes directly to her house then she arrives at home alone it was at
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9 00 a.m the following day that her office opens she's late they call Mark Sievers who
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then in calls the neighbor to go check on the house and we all know what happens from there
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now later that same day Dr seaver's family Mark and the two girls they arrive back to Florida from
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Connecticut it's the following day on June 30th that Jimmy Rogers is back in Missouri and he
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shares with his employer that he just made a 16-hour trip by highway to visit his recent law school graduate brother
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in Florida for an all-expenses trip uh paid by his brother to visit him on that same day on the 30th is when
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that sign goes up on the doctor's office informing all the patients that Dr Stevens sivers has passed away
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her funeral was held on July 6th and it was on the 12th of July that a SWAT team
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raids wainwright's trailer in Missouri on August 24th the Lee County Sheriff's Office they contacted Jimmy Rogers
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probation officer this is when they reported that they knew that Rogers had been in Florida
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a neighbor well actually several neighbors told uh newspapers that they had seen uh Jimmy Rogers trailer being
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raided by police he's later arrested for violation of the probation itself but it wasn't until the
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following day on the 27th when Jimmy Ray Rogers and Curtis Wainwright are charged
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with murder with the murder of Dr Teresa Sievers now the strange thing here captain
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is it wasn't until six months later when in late February of 2016 that Mark sivers is finally arrested at his home
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in Bonita Springs Florida right and I I think the thing is you have to have some
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kind of connection and when you have Mark receivers like we said earlier in part one that
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you know he turned over his phone he turned over his uh computer he also has this airtight Alibi multiple people he's
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1300 miles away you know so the only thing here is that he didn't murder his wife right but did
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he based off of what Jimmy Rogers was saying did he set it up where he was going to pay Wayne and then the other
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question here is one of the things that is said about Wayne and Mark's relationship was that Wayne really
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looked up to Mark and that almost mimicked him when Mark shaved his head because he's going bald Wayne did the
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same thing right and a lot of their friends in high school said these guys were super close but back in
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the day they didn't look like twins almost like one person is um mimicking the other and you got one guy
00:34:08
living in this trailer and another guy married to a successful woman running a successful practice where they're paying
00:34:16
you to do it work and phone work you know so your friend is married to has a lot of money lives in a big
00:34:25
nice house you start wondering is Mark involved in some way or is this some plan that Wayne came up with all on his
00:34:34
own well we should also throw out there too that they had the appearance that they have a lot of money
00:34:40
it actually looks like once you get beneath the surface that they they probably didn't have a lot of money that
00:34:46
the finances were being mishandled somehow well yeah they were making a lot of money they were spending a lot of
00:34:52
money I mean I tell the story all the time I used to have this this stupid ass dick face I mean he was
00:35:01
just the worst human in the world I think he drove like a Porsche or something a guy would come in all smug
00:35:07
and he like it's like he sprayed his cologne 10 times too many you know and so I
00:35:12
remember one time he puts eight grand into the bank so I put the eight grand at the bank but
00:35:19
he was like negative Seven Grand right right so he comes in the next day and then there's more fees
00:35:28
so he puts in eight grand or whatever he's now down to like two hundred dollars he's like um give me a thousand and one
00:35:36
hundreds I go only like got a hundred some dollars left you know so my point is is you know and
00:35:43
then of course he was pissed he's like dude I gave you eight thousand dollars yesterday I was like yeah but you're in
00:35:47
the negative you owed us that much great so but my point is is they were making a
00:35:52
lot of money yeah she was a very successful doctor the problem there was they were spending more money than they
00:35:58
made and so but still it's that lifestyle you still have nice cars you still have a nice house this is
00:36:07
something uh and also we have an open relationship and possible swinging happen happening
00:36:14
is it possible that you know he comes there he drives 1300 miles he's hanging out with him one night he's drinking
00:36:23
with them that he ends up having sex with her at some point is that possible possibly yeah and so if that happens is
00:36:31
there some kind of jealousy thing well we should be clear about what you're cut you're kind of doing a
00:36:38
balancing act on a fence here and I think we should be clear about what you're getting to because the reason why
00:36:44
Mark Sievers is arrested is because Wayne Wright his best friend that happens to look exactly like him he he
00:36:52
tells the police look Mark Sievers paid me to kill his wife Mark Sievers orchestrated this whole thing or was
00:36:59
going to pay me right right and so that they didn't arrest Mark Sievers until six months later because they really had
00:37:07
nothing on him until one of these guys flipped on him now they right but and it we need to be clear it took Wayne six
00:37:16
months to flip on him yeah because he was going to face the death penalty right uh and Florida is pretty good at
00:37:22
killing people so he probably got scared now Okay so up into this point we have Taylor
00:37:30
Shoemaker Jimmy rogers's girlfriend that she can tell police all day and all night that you know what Mark Seavers
00:37:38
hired Wayne and then Wayne hired Jimmy and this is how this whole thing went down the problem is they don't have any
00:37:44
evidence to that now when you have a guy that's facing murder charges and the guy
00:37:50
comes forward and he says you know what instead of putting me on the death giving me the death penalty let's reduce
00:37:56
this thing down to second degree murder I'll plead guilty I'll plead guilty you give me 25 years and I'm going to
00:38:04
testify for you against Mark Sievers then boom you go arrest Mark Sievers now here's the big debate though the the the
00:38:13
the balancing act that the captain was doing here is this doesn't necessarily mean that Mark
00:38:19
Sievers is absolutely 100 guilty there's still some things that you have to analyze in this because you have in it
00:38:25
and here's the thing when I went into this Captain I went into this looking at it like this Mark Sievers guy he's
00:38:31
guilty as can be there's no changing my opinion now where my opinion did change was
00:38:38
and yes you could say that the people that I listened to were biased however the people that changed my opinion were
00:38:45
listening to his family this Mark siever's family his mother his his sister and then listening to some of his
00:38:52
friends that were not associated with Wainwright these people paint a much brighter
00:38:58
better picture of Mark Sievers and these people this is what they're wondering they're not saying they're not saying
00:39:06
100 percent are Mark Sievers that we know and love is innocent what they're saying is this
00:39:12
think about this idea that possibly Wayne Wright did this without Mark siever's knowledge and then once he's
00:39:20
caught once he's busted the only Lifeline he has left to throw out to save his own ass
00:39:27
is to throw Mark Sievers under the bus and be willing to testify against him in court right but okay so what's the
00:39:34
evidence against mark let's get into that yes so the evidence against Mark well this you can take this or leave this as
00:39:42
far as you want to go for evidence but there were there was four over four million dollars worth of life insurance
00:39:48
uh plan to pay out upon Teresa seaver's death yeah this is where it's interesting though it's four point some
00:39:57
million 4.4 million dollars but there was like five policies there's a lot of policies yes which is odd so yeah I
00:40:05
would think so and and also when you're when you're behind on bills and you're constantly living paycheck to paycheck
00:40:13
kind of a weird thing to pay out to have those five and we know that Mark is kind of running
00:40:21
that area you know she is running the practice but he's running probably payroll he's probably running their
00:40:27
finances he's kind of taking care of the kids while she's at work and there's been speculation captain and I don't
00:40:34
know if this is coming from the media or from the law enforcement but there's been speculation that Teresa Sievers may
00:40:41
not have been aware of some of these policies right that maybe he took them out without her knowledge or
00:40:48
forged documents here's the thing I don't typically think life insurance is a red flag that's usually not a red flag
00:40:57
to me I understand that it is motive at times but but what I mean by that is if somebody has a policy for 80 000 or a
00:41:05
hundred thousand dollars I kind of look past that as a as a red flag when I see policies that are for these large sums
00:41:13
of money four Millions four and a half million dollars and I understand when you have a nice home and when you have
00:41:19
children together that you shouldn't be running a practice you should increase and carry larger amounts of insurance
00:41:24
but this seems like an extreme amount of insurance it this seems like a warranted
00:41:30
red flag to me yeah and what else do we have against mark well really we only have the words of of
00:41:38
these these other people that we know to be involved by their own admission uh into the murder of his wife now Jimmy
00:41:46
Rogers to be clear has not told the police he's not said hey I'm guilty and I'm willing to cooperate right but we
00:41:52
have his girlfriend that's fed them plenty of information that makes him look very guilty the other thing though
00:41:58
is there are some here's what I wondered that's going to come out and and trial there's been a lot of communication
00:42:06
between Wainwright and Mark Sievers and what I mean by that there's been more texting and communication between the
00:42:14
two of them than even Mark and his own wife Teresa now just having a long distance friendship could explain that
00:42:22
away yeah but there's some weird stuff going on and him being involved in the business could explain this way but
00:42:27
there is some weird interactions uh you came across some things where it's um where Mark is calling referring to him
00:42:35
as honey or baby when when talking to Wayne yeah um that's weird which we you know he we don't know they could be
00:42:43
joking around I don't know those were found from text messages that were released to the public however they
00:42:49
redacted a lot of the information within those text message so there's there's a
00:42:53
lot of missing portions of those conversations there's one thing that's incredibly
00:42:58
interesting though and that's that Wainwright would say that a lot of the communication they did a lot of the
00:43:05
organizing and planning of this murder was done over a burner phone that they both had phones untraceable
00:43:13
phones right so this would be like a prepaid phone that you'd buy somewhere yep and
00:43:19
what what is stated during some of those text messages on their regular phones on
00:43:24
their day-to-day phones right is you have situations where Mark sivers is talking to Wainwright and he's saying
00:43:30
hey can you talk in 10 minutes or hey do you got 15 minutes to talk and then he would use the word other in parentheses
00:43:38
now police and police using information given to them by Wainwright states that when they say other Mark is saying let's
00:43:47
talk on these other phones not have this conversation on our day-to-day our everyday phones and that's probably not
00:43:53
even a text message that's probably like an actual just pick up and call um so that's that is interesting so we
00:44:02
have those two pieces here's some strange things that I think about though Captain okay so I don't
00:44:09
want to hear about the strange things you think about well in relation to this case okay let's narrow it down a little
00:44:14
bit yeah let's focus on this case so all right there's a there's a couple issues here one we know Mark would have
00:44:24
had information that his wife would be returning from the vacation before and without the rest of the family he could
00:44:30
have passed that information along to Wayne that's an easy scenario we can all wrap our heads around
00:44:35
the other scenario is this if Mark is if I'm sorry if Wayne oversees their computers even just at
00:44:45
their office even if it's not at their home just their office let's say if office computers were used to purchase
00:44:51
those plane tickets then Wayne would also know that information without Mark having told him that
00:44:59
information sure if it's done through an email or like you get confirmations you know if you bought plane tickets you
00:45:06
get the confirmation through your email so so that's possible but here's the other thing though too is
00:45:12
and and stop saying that Wayne wouldn't know this information but obviously it was the family is
00:45:18
planning a trip and then she's going to come back early and so what a perfect time to do this
00:45:26
right now what's weird is it's a perfect time it's a perfect time for Wayne to do it
00:45:33
it's a perfect time for Mark to tell Wayne to do it Jimmy and Wayne both were talking about
00:45:41
this trip months in advance right so to me that's a little more evidence leaning to
00:45:49
the fact that Mark is paying them because he would have known about the trip way more in advance
00:45:57
you see what I'm saying unless the tickets were purchased way in advance right but then that would be
00:46:03
Wayne for whatever reason wants to kill her we which we don't know what the motive
00:46:08
would be and he is planning this months and months in advance because he hears about a trip
00:46:16
you see what I'm saying like if he wanted her dead that bad for whatever reason like
00:46:22
you I don't know I just think it's kind of weird okay let me throw this at you because I I've been I've been going back
00:46:29
and forth on this quite a bit because my thought is I I want to try to hear out Mark siever's family and I want to try
00:46:36
to understand what they're saying now they've not presented these ideas to anybody as far as I'm aware but what I
00:46:43
could come up with was this the only problem I have with Mark siever's being involved in this is his mother
00:46:53
Bonnie Sievers that throws that throws a wrench into the plan a little bit you have Bonnie Sievers coming and going at
00:47:00
times that she determines to let these dogs out and to check on the house now Wainwright and Jimmy Rogers we know this
00:47:10
because the the alarm system was deactivated at six in the morning Teresa Sievers didn't arrive at home until 11
00:47:17
pm or 11 30 P.M so they were there for for like what 16 18 hours before Teresa returns to the home and I know
00:47:28
they spent a lot of that time outside of the home they went to Walmart and they went to the beach and they killed time
00:47:33
waiting for Teresa to return at 11 11 30 at night the wrench in the problem is they were they there's a chance that
00:47:43
they were within a 60-minute window of bumping into Bonnie Sievers yeah but they would have known they would have
00:47:49
known this stuff again this points towards Mark too they would have known her actions and whereabouts based off a mark
00:47:58
they wouldn't know that if Mark's not involved so they wouldn't have known when they
00:48:04
could have gone into the house and when they couldn't have gotten the house that
00:48:07
she came once in the morning and once at night and isn't it just so weirdly that
00:48:12
uh that they're there the whole time that she's there twice right right or maybe she's only there
00:48:19
once on that Sunday but she never runs into him and then the murder doesn't take place until probably
00:48:26
after mid midnight right so no but what I'm what I'm saying though is that that's a loose end for Mark
00:48:34
Sievers if Mark knows that Mark knows everything let's assume he knows everything that's going on that he
00:48:39
orchestrated this whole thing the loose end is his mother checking on the dogs she you can tell your mother show up at
00:48:46
8am and let him out and then come back at 4 pm and let them out once you leave for Connecticut you have no control over
00:48:52
what time that woman decides to show up to let the dogs in and out of the house right well all I'm saying is it's pretty
00:48:58
easy if she was only supposed to go there once on Sunday it's this simple you text her in the morning hey what
00:49:03
time do you think you're going to go over there right or hey we know or you're talking to her while you're on
00:49:09
vacation and she's like uh you know maybe you know your mom's a creature a habit if she says she's going over there
00:49:15
at eight o'clock it's going to be between eight and nine no matter what all I'm saying is it's a very small
00:49:22
wrinkle to deal with man well it may not even be a wrinkle to deal with and here's what I mean by this
00:49:28
I think it's a big loose end I think it's a big problem because if for some reason you you're sending people that
00:49:36
you have paid to kill a woman so by by them signing up for the job they're stating they're very capable of
00:49:45
killing somebody in Cold Blood right how do you know they're not going to freak out if they bump into your mother at the
00:49:51
house and kill her okay so that is listen listen listen it's not that big of a deal because they're best friends
00:49:58
Guess Who would know who his mom is Wayne would know who Mark's mom is she comes into the house he wouldn't go oh
00:50:07
my God I thought it was Teresa right that's what I'm saying he would know and then if if Wayne was in the house and he
00:50:14
bumped into Mark's mom hey what are you doing here you don't have to kill her you just have to say
00:50:21
I'm working on the security system no I get that I get that but that's out of Mark's hands once he leaves for
00:50:28
Connecticut all that stuff's out of his hands he can't control his mother's movements coming and going from the home
00:50:34
he can't control Wayne and Jimmy's movements coming and going from the home now so it's also reported though that Wayne
00:50:42
is a very intelligent man and so maybe Mark had a little more faith in him that hey
00:50:49
if I'm paying him to kill the wife he's going to kill the wife and that's it I I don't think it's that big of a deal
00:50:57
I disagree I disagree all right so whether or not that is actual deal or not the thing that you can't it's I'm
00:51:06
having a hard time explaining is the text messages where it says other talk on other
00:51:13
to me that is fishy and if Mark can't explain that away the the thing here is you either have two very dumb guys
00:51:21
committing this murder or you have three dumb guys one who hired two dumb guys to
00:51:27
carry out the murder because they made as as far away as they came from Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers made
00:51:35
it very easy for the police to catch them there should have been very little to connect these two to to Bonita
00:51:42
Springs Florida right I mean don't put it into GPS you don't put it in a GPS you don't rent a vehicle in your name
00:51:50
you figure out how to get there without doing things like that you don't go to a
00:51:54
Walmart so you can be seen on video footage yeah but here's the biggest thing that even even a disorganized
00:52:02
mentally ill killer has avoided in the past when you beat somebody to death with a
00:52:11
hammer don't leave that hammer at the crime scene that presents a very big because
00:52:17
remember earlier you know there's some psychopath right now on their basement listening to us writing down don't leave
00:52:24
hammer well okay so earlier when we talked about how did the police track these guys down
00:52:31
we know look they didn't arrest them until until late August they were already on these dudes you can tell by
00:52:38
Sheriff Scott's words when he's talking to the reporter they were already into this story Into the story somehow back
00:52:46
10 days after the murder when he says you know what this was not a random thing I'm very confident when I say that there
00:52:53
are connections to the victim from the murderer in this case I'm very confident when I state that and I wonder if it was
00:53:00
something as simple as this did they trace that hammer we know they found the hammer
00:53:06
how hard is it to go you know what who distributes this hammer who do they distribute it to okay I understand that
00:53:13
there's like a million thousand Walmart stores and maybe every single one of them carries this particular make and
00:53:19
model of hammer I get that there's a lot of them out there that it could be a very common Hammer however there's a
00:53:25
chance that when they go how hard is it to go look this thing this Hammer is distributed to Walmarts we got five or
00:53:31
six of them that are within a 30 mile radius of the crime scene oh there was one purchased at this Walmart on this
00:53:40
day at this particular time it was a cash purchase they bought everything that they bought that day
00:53:45
with a 100 bill now there would still be record of that sale they could go you go to all those
00:53:52
Walmarts and you say okay I need to see surveillance of who bought this there's a chance you even pick up the
00:53:58
person's license plate in one of the surveillance cameras in the parking lot one that I wouldn't they probably
00:54:05
wouldn't know who they're looking for no they wouldn't but you if you can if you can get uh a picture of the guy or
00:54:13
persons standing at the register at the time that the hammer was paid for well I think what probably tipped them
00:54:20
off is you know like we said Wayne looks just like Mark so you know what Mark looks
00:54:25
like so all of a sudden let's say you go to that Walmart and you're looking through video footage and all of a
00:54:30
sudden you see a guy the day uh you know the day before the murder takes or before they found the body you see a guy
00:54:37
buying a hammer that looks just like the lady's husband then you go oh [ __ ] but that's not the
00:54:43
lady's husband well who's this guy so I don't know where do you lean what's Your Gut Feeling telling you about this
00:54:50
case well I want to point out here captain that earlier I was not trying to make a strong argument for why Mark
00:54:57
Sievers might be innocent by bringing up his mother but I wanted to kind of put you in the shoe in my shoes where I was
00:55:04
trying to figure out where this thing would go because what we're going to have here and what we're going to see
00:55:08
once it finally gets to trial is you're going to have Wayne Wright saying I was hired by Mark sivers to kill his wife
00:55:15
you're going to have Mark Sievers coming forward with the defense saying I had nothing to do with this Wayne Wright is
00:55:21
a crazy bastard and he killed my wife and then later tried to blame it on me so you're going to have two very
00:55:28
conflicting stories and I was wondering where I could find things that would make me question who was involved and
00:55:35
who was not involved and I will state again I do believe that Bonnie Sievers is a bit of a loose end for Mark being
00:55:43
involved in this now here's the thing what I mean by that is what if these killers decide to kill your mother
00:55:49
that's not who you hired them to kill however if Mark sivers is just a complete horrible dude psychopath guy maybe he
00:55:59
doesn't care if his mom happens to get attacked or something happens during the course of them carrying out this
00:56:04
quote-unquote Mission the other thing is and you're right they wouldn't have to necessarily kill Bonnie Sievers but
00:56:11
that's out of your hands once you put them those men inside your home and your potential mom inside the home at the
00:56:18
same time you know obviously you're a piece of [ __ ] if you're hiring some guy to come in kill your wife and she and
00:56:25
it's not just your wife it's the mother of your two children well yes obviously obviously but I still think that the
00:56:31
mother is a a bit of a loose end yeah they don't have to kill her but guess what the the
00:56:38
plan what they were hired to do that's off now you can't bump into Bonnie Sievers and then later that night Teresa
00:56:44
Sievers is murdered in her home and that's that's not easy to put piece together right right but I I think they
00:56:51
have more here I mean they were able to uh take death penalty off the table and I don't think law enforcement or the
00:56:58
prosecutors would have done that if if Wayne wasn't able to give them mark on a silver platter and with this loose
00:57:07
evidence that we have that's not enough to rest Mark so there had to be something else to even just get that
00:57:12
arrest well and then I have to then I have to question Wayne Wright's story right okay so why would his story be
00:57:19
right when I'm saying that there's this loose end for Mark's story so the loose end for Wainwright story is
00:57:26
Jimmy Rogers you have this violent guy that you're bringing down there with you and if the story goes as it goes that
00:57:36
that you're hired to commit murder he's there for the sole purpose to make sure that this murder happened because it
00:57:41
appears that if they were hired for murder that Wainwright was not comfortable doing it by himself yeah he
00:57:47
might not have thought he could exactly because I mean he but he's friends with Mark so he could have been friends with
00:57:53
Teresa why would Wayne Right be or I'm sorry why would Jimmy Rogers be a loose end for Wainwright well the problem here
00:58:01
is if you don't get paid to carry out your task remember they're supposed to get paid from insurance money insurance
00:58:08
money only gets paid upon someone's death so that means that you bring this guy down there with you you kill somebody
00:58:15
and if you're not getting that money from Mark you have no way to pay Jimmy the hammer Rogers who could in turn
00:58:22
later kill you for being upset that he didn't get paid ten thousand dollars for going down there and helping you so
00:58:28
that's the loose end for Wainwright that's the part he's not going to be able to explain away until you get to
00:58:33
this there was forty thousand dollars in a safe in that household it was it was not take the for the money
00:58:42
was not taken from the home the strange thing I find about their actions that day was they showed up at
00:58:48
the home at 6 A.M they left the home and went to Walmart to purchase what we believe items to
00:58:54
kill Teresa Sievers with and to clean up with afterwards one of the items that they purchased
00:59:01
during that visit was a lock pick set why would they show up why would they need a lock pick set when we know that
00:59:08
they probably entered through using the code through the garage door and then entered the home and typed in the
00:59:15
security code they don't even need a key to the house let alone a lock pick set to break into the home
00:59:20
so then I got to wondering is there a chance that Wainwright knew that they had a safe in the home with forty
00:59:27
thousand dollars in it and if he did does he hire this Punk Jimmy Rogers to ride shotgun with him go down he knows
00:59:34
maybe he assumes all four family members are going to be gone until the following
00:59:38
day that he wouldn't encounter anybody would not have to kill anybody that he went down there behind his friend's back
00:59:44
just to steal forty thousand dollars from this house he gets to the house why would they show up to the house first
00:59:51
and then leave and then come back that's strange too it's almost like okay you know a lot of us know our friends pretty
00:59:58
well there's some people that I'm sure go you know what he's told me time and time
01:00:03
again there's forty thousand dollars in the safe and I know he keeps the keys on
01:00:06
his desk you show up at 6 a.m you get to the desk there's no keys there now you need a lock pick set
01:00:13
so I wondered if he went back in one of the purchases being the lock pick set to
01:00:18
pick the lock to the safe to rob the safe and leave there not intending to kill anybody no they intended to kill
01:00:26
people they bought a hammer they bought rubber boots they bought trash bags I understand
01:00:32
I understand I'm just kind of walking through this thing you're setting land mines along my road here yeah but they
01:00:38
they show back up to the house Teresa stumbles upon their little breaking and entering situation they freak out and
01:00:47
kill her that could be an argument for Wainwright there's another issue here though
01:00:54
when you start pulling through all these things of why and who could be involved
01:00:58
and who could be innocent the other problem is though why did they have forty thousand dollars in the house
01:01:03
to begin with we've heard time and time again they're a living paycheck to paycheck Mark was in charge of the
01:01:09
finances it doesn't seem likely to me that it that a family living paycheck to paycheck would choose to have forty
01:01:17
thousand dollars sitting inside their home maybe she didn't know about the money though that's what I'm getting at
01:01:23
and that's what I think Mark's going to have a big problem explaining when he gets to trial is that why was that forty
01:01:29
thousand dollars in the house was that forty thousand dollars want a a down payment to these guys that are going to
01:01:36
show up and kill your wife and B were they supposed to break into that safe or pick the lock to make it look like it
01:01:44
was a burglary that wouldn't be traced back to Mark or any of his friends exactly and I think you're right on
01:01:50
something one thing you're you're incredibly right about here captain and I and I hope you're right because I
01:01:55
share the same suspicion I think we are not hearing about potentially a mountain
01:02:02
of evidence against Mark Sievers it's going to be so interesting when this thing finally gets to court what
01:02:09
evidence ends up coming out and how much of it is not produced just based off of
01:02:14
what Wainwright says right and so somebody is a horrible piece of [ __ ] it's either a group of two or a group of
01:02:22
three and hopefully law enforcement gets to the bottom of this and the real victims other than Teresa are the
01:02:28
children because they lost not only their mother but now they lost their father foreign
01:02:36
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activities there's a bunch of events go to crimecon.com and look at those events
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and then also we'll be there there's going to be a bunch of podcasts we hung out with Generation Y last year we hung
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out with and I think this year we're gonna have Mike from sword and scale we'll be there
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um it's loaded a bunch of other people up and vanished we gotta hang out with Payne Lindsay last year had some drinks
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with him uh we had drinks with Bob Ruff with truth and Justice so basically we're going to be drinking the whole
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time and then what we did last year what I did last year was we would just hang out at the hotel bar and drink hotel
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motel Holiday Inn and we just get hammered at night so it's a it's a great time I think you can buy weekend
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packages now but when you do so um go use our promo code TC garage that's TC garage at and that would be at
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crimecon.com thank you Captain and once again I got so angry I damn near lost my
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voice so I have a whole week to recuperate well it's hard being wrong until next time everybody be good be
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kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause] [Music]